Two quick juxtapositions to contemplate:
Just accepting things as they are presented to be, without laying opinion on the table.
♦ Mr. Elon Musk is saying he spent $44 billion to purchase a platform without any prior knowledge the U.S. Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) was operating on the backbone of the communication platform he was purchasing.
Additionally, all due diligence that may have been conducted before the biggest expenditure in the history of social media networks, did not reveal this intelligence community operation, to him, until after the sale was complete.
Everything thereafter is based on this predicate.
♦ Mr. Ron DeSantis is saying he had no idea the apparatus of political constructs was creating a presidential campaign process over a period of two years that would require his ultimate approval and participation, during the period when he genuinely claimed to be running for reelection to be the 2022 Florida Governor.
Everything thereafter is based on this predicate.
Whether you believe these assertions to be true or not is entirely up to you.
However, with these two points in mind, what does that say about the current state of our national pretense?
Expand the discussion. I am very interested in how intellectually honest people view these assertions.
I’ve come along way – I was a prodigal. I can now definitively and unhesitatingly say:
Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies. – Psalms 40:4
As the mother of a prodigal, may I ask how long you stayed in the “far off country” before you turned around and went home?
And was there a specific event that brought you to the end of yourself or just time, life, and your mother’s prayers?
I was too; and it took all three.
“Time, life, and a praying mother!” I’m MOST grateful for my Christian Mama!
Praise be to Jesus!
real questions, Vmom. a mother’s prayers are everything, IMHO. Ive seen it happen. when my mother died, she asked me to keep praying for my brother. Im still praying and watching the road for his homecoming. I will pray and watch the road for your precious child, too.
🙏 Stand your ground Momma.
I have been there too.
Truth with firm kindness will win out.
I said a prayer for you and your family. 💙
Me too you Moms! It’s a terrible thing. Glad I’m not alone.
Hope you don’t mind, but I’ll share some of my testimony. The short answer is I was a prodigal for about 20 or so years and it was a long series of things, but ultimately it was when I realized how sinful I was.
I grew up Catholic, and with the faith of a child I believed the Gospel at a young age. I didn’t doubt that God was real or that Jesus had died for my sins…
But. I rebelled after high school: skipped my college classes (squandering my college grants), fell in with a party crowd, all types of sin for about 6 months. I’ll spare the details.
By the grace of God, He put a wonderful man in my path who was my first boyfriend, who was very chivalrous as we did the young people scene, watching out for me. I was a “proud Irish drinker” who thought it was awesome that I “never threw up” 😳😬🙈 but my guy didn’t drink and as we fell hard for each other, my priorities began to shift. We had our own share of heart aches as we navigated our young rollercoaster relationship, with, sadly, more sin.
I didnt like the feeling that I had – like I was turning into a lazy and lost loser. My family was a mess – alcoholism and drug addiction run in my family – and my conscience was pricking me. I felt like I sucked at everything: work troubles, relational trouble, etc.
Long story short, I wanted to turn it around: bf and I got engaged, I went to school for med assistant, we got pregnant, I went to RN school, my Dad got sick an passed after a short time of cancer, and while I was doing all the things, trying to not drown, I kept having a thought: What about God? How are you going to raise your kids?
I put it off, because life is hard, but then one day in the fall of 2015, my 2nd grader came out of public school and said they had a mock vote for president and that everyone voted for Hillary, but she wasn’t sure who to vote for because she didn’t know anything about either candidate. Well, I had heard some things about Hillary that I didn’t like and I thought: Mom, you gotta up your game. I knew nothing about anything and I didn’t want my daughter to get sucked down the wrong path.
My rabbit hole search began with politics and in those early days I found SD and CTH, which was a blessing. Then I was consuming tons of information, q stuff was a thing that I got sucked into because I didn’t understand what was going on. The rabbit hole is important because picture me in the dark banging into walls as I try to find the Door.
Finally, God put a Christian in my path. We started talking and she gave me a Bible. A new rabbit hole, a better one: I had questions though because the world was going crazy and everywhere was lies. How do I know which Bible? The catholic church is so corrupt and had done abominable things to young boys in my area. What is the Truth? What do I believe? Why do I believe it?
To come to the crescendo: one night I am up late, thinking, thinking, thinking… and it was as if an audible voice said it (but really it was my conscience) I asked myself: “Am I really saved? Or am I just taking God for granted?” I didn’t know and I felt scared.
I found a Romans study by Michael Pearl on youtube and that was my when I really understood the Gospel and was truly born again. I was in tears over my sin. I have broken every one of the 10 commandments. My sin grieved me and I wanted reconciliation.
Covid happened, the last election happened – and i was still thinking some wrong things about a particular alphabet letter and I came across Tom Hughes, JD Farag, Jan Markell, Amir Tsarfati and now I have a strong Biblical worldview with better comprehension of end times.
Full circle, bringing it home: I’m living for God, I now homeschool my 3 kids and teach them with a Biblical worldview.
I will pray for your prodigal. Check out Watchman River on youtube. We are a community who prays for each other. Every Sunday is a prayer video, but post a comment on Tom’s daily videos and you will have many praying for you and yours.
Thank you SO much for sharing your story!! How encouraging to see how God works through ALL things to draw us to Him!
“My sin grieved me and I wanted reconciliation.” THIS is the answer, isn’t it? Until we recognize our desperate need for God, we simply do not realize how lost we are!! Pride, the sin by which the angels fell, is, IMHO, Satan’s best tool for keeping us from coming to God!
Thank you for your prayers – at one time, in his late teens, our son wanted to be a youth pastor and evangelist in Mexico, where we led short term mission trips for many years…but then he went to college, found cocaine, lost God, and is now completely caught up in the world of woke. He is angry with us for homeschooling him, taking him to church, and not getting the jabs, in that order, I think!
In his heart, he knows the truth, but in his pride, he believes that he is a “good person” and he wants to be the boss of his own life. We have a wonderful group of friends who are also Parents of Prodigals and our kids are prayed over more than they will ever know!
It’s not a road I ever thought I would walk but I do not walk it alone and stories like yours mean so much!!
It is so hard, but rock bottom is where I think it has to happen. There is such evil in the world, but Jesus has overcome it. He is faithful.
I will pray.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Galatians 5:17
I heard Pastor Mark Henry say recently in a podcast on Serpents and Doves, that the battle ensues once one accepts Christ. The flesh is and the Spirit war within us.
“Greater is He who is in us than he who is in the world” (I John 4:4) BUT if we do not call on the name of the LORD we can lose the fight so easily!! Again, in our pride, if we think we can win the battle on our own, then Satan laughs and God weeps, because He is our strength BUT He will not step into battles where we have not asked Him to intercede on our behalf!!
Welcome home !!! So glad that you made it.
Yes, me too! Praise God!
You will say in that day: “I will give thanks to you, oh Lord, for though you were angry with me, you turned your anger away, that you might comfort me.”
Isaiah 12:1
Welcome home, Jlwary
This is one of my favorites from Isaiah:
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
Isaiah 43:1
Praise God for His covenant with Israel and our grafting in by the Branch! I am like Ruth:
And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:
Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the LORD do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me.
Ruth 1:16-17
We tend to personalize things. Musk and DeSantis have multiple advisors and experts on their teams. There must be a lot of discussion and analysis going on behind the scenes. As we know from the Trump years, bad or incompetent advisors can cause a lot of trouble.
Something seems off regarding Musk’s purchase. His persona is as a shrewd forward thinking iconoclast. With a giant ego. It’s possible he was fed faulty data and bad advice, but it does seem true that he was deceived and misled.
Was it all from government sources or was there lack of due diligence somewhere down the line? The deal was on then off then on again. Maybe he was too eager and ego driven to delve as deep as he could. But to be fair, there was so much interference and obfuscation in the process that I doubt anyone could have realized how deep the deception went.
I may be naive but I think overall that his intentions were at least somewhat benign. However, he doesn’t operate in a vacuum, and there are many in the deep state working against him and all others trying to be independent of government control.
I believe that Elon Musk knew, or at least suspected, that Twitter was Jack’s Coffee Shop.
I think he bought it specifically to bring this fact to light. He is currently putting on an act that he didn’t have this suspicion all along. IMO, he has been waiting for this moment to throw the faulty due diligence report under the bus. He is gleefully driving the bus, too.
Praying you are correct.
After all, there must be SOME good souls left, right? The evil we see is enormous, but it can’t have already consumed everyone.
I understand this perspective of hope, but I must ask “Why?” Why would Musk do this at a cost of $44bn?
Especially considering the fact that a “blogger” (Sundance) has seemingly had Twitter pegged for what it is/was for years and openly wrote about it online.
Is it simply a matter of reach? Musk, with his billions, can reach more than Sundance?
People can be exceedingly eccentric and those with lots of money certainly seem to have a higher propensity to be so. Spending that kind of money as a ruse of sorts, simply to confirm and ultimately expose Twitter for what it is, seems pretty far out there to me. Who knows?
The problem remains – there is/are NO authority figures ANYWHERE who have come forward and are willing to begin putting a stop to everything that has been going on.
It’s really that simple.
History shows how far these things have to go before there’s a remedy. It’s not pretty.
I remember reading about how all Obammy’s people were being hired by Facebook. Just before President Trump took office.
I bet Musk reads Sundance’s column and Twitter
Actually, thats not Just Me, It DOES sound like a reasonable not binary third choice.
If he DID “suspect” far better to portray it as “oops, I had no idea what I stepped in!” than to say “Ha, I KNEW it and this PROVES it!”
After all, the I/C have “six ways” to GET you, and Elon certainly IS vulnerable, with all his Govt contacts.
Its called “play dumb” that many of the insecure who mask it with “egotist” behavior can’t bring themselves to do.
I HAVE successfully used it before, myself.
Elon HAD to know. Now, the beginning of that understanding may have been after purchase intentions and expose’ by Sundance not long after. If began to understand at that moment it would take time to unravel in the mind to get to a point of a knowing enough to deal with the info.
His understanding may have taken several detours as powers-at-be fed him bs wrapped in faux facts, undermining Sundance’s suggestion of the State-of-Twit. Elon knows now he is up against something bigger and more powerful than he could have ever comprehended in past.
Exposing the usurpers is often the only thing one can do. President Trump could and can only do so much if the people do not know who is a usurper and who is not. This is why Sunlight is most often the best and only weapon. Problem is too many want instant gratification upon reveals.
It takes time to prepare and strategize and organize and to study each newly discovered Swamp Scum in order to take on the Beast.
This is the problematic danger of responding with action to those screaming and endlessly harping (at psyop levels) that President Trump must deal with, apologize for and give plan for vax. If he had done do, so much would not have been exposed. More are exposed each day of Sunlight that allows the masses, not just MAGA supporters, to see the Scum. It is imperative we know as many as possible that are the enemy, the wolves in sheep’s clothing.
It will prove interesting to see where this all goes with Elon.
Musk claimed to be concerned about bots! v real name users
was that a misdirection?
Excellent post.
He said he didnt know to WHAT DEGREE there was infiltraion.
He know something but NOT HOW MUCH
Once he started getting pushback from twit execs on full disclosure on bot accounts, his radar should have been pinging.
There’s no way he spent $44bil without complete systems forensics. And if he did either his ego overrode his business acumen or his acumen is greatly overstated.
These days I often read/hear/view something 1st with a “Huh, how about that?”
Quickly followed by, “I wonder what other people are saying.”
Then I check out the “Tree House” 1st and work down a list of other news/political commentary sites.
Next, my skepticism and my BS meter kicks in.
I would like to say that I go to the Father of Lights 1st, and sometimes I do. I need to work on doing that.
Now, about Musk and Desantis. Both men have been very successful so that counts as something. But, many successful people are only out for themselves and that often means they cut corners to get what they want.
It’s possible Musk was hoodwinked where Twitter is concerned. It’s also possible he didn’t do due diligence. So, for me, the court is still out on Musk, at least whether he was aware that the government was pulling Twitter’s chains.
Where DeSantis is concerned. He has done a good job in Florida. But, Florida isn’t the United States of America. I’m confident governing one state is very small potatoes compared to being Commander and Chief. If he’s taking money from the professional Republican crowd he has to know they expect to be paid in the end, if he manages to win the next election. Will he pay? I’m not sure, but I’d bet he will.
My bottom line is that I’m fall in with those who say “trust but verify”. I can’t verify what Musk knew about Twitter or whether DeSantis will govern America for “what’s best for America.”
My skepticism level is extremely high these days.
The fact that de santis has friends like lyin ryan and the republicans is a dead give away.Musk I think didn’t know anything about the gov’t intervention but I could be wrong about that.
I agree there are a long list of “tells” that make it clear who/what who owned by on RDS.
I was confident of what he was, before Sundance dropped the reciepts.
Musk, not sure. $44 billion deal, with the whole world watching.
Musk knew SOMETHING, not everything and the whole extent of Government infiltraion.
He is intent on exposing the media–NPR, BBC, Australia’s ABC and SBS being labelled as
GOVERNMENT SPONSORED NEWS SITES
I think he wants to expose the whole rotten sycophantic Main Slime Media
DeSantis did not run for Governor of Florida on “Big Club” money. He won by the slimmest margins after a low-budget campaign where PDJT pushed him across the finish line at the last minute. He has been seen as a net positive in Florida as a result of not being “owned” by anyone.
Today is different. DeSantis has accepted “Big Club” money. He is owned.
He has shown all the signs of being completely owned by others and willing to do what they tell him to. When is the last time DeSantis has uttered the words, “President Trump”…?
DeSantis was more than willing to pull the rug out from Lee Zeldin in N.Y by abandoning him and being a no show at his critical campaign ralleys at the eleventh hour.
His wall street money train said jump ship and he said how high.
Elon Musk is still friends with Jack Dorsey even though it appears Jack supposedly hid the massive deep state infestation from Musk.
If you were the smartest man in the room would you stand for that let alone still be his friend.
Musk and DeSantis ,scum personified.
I’m imagining JimS is great though, right?
The “TRUTH” of the matter is usually, if not always one hundred eighty degrees from what they present it as, which is always interspersed with a few spot on truths just to add a false sense of credibility. If sixty-two years of this crap shoot world has taught me anything, it has taught me that again, and again, and again. Oh, and to trust, but verify every time too.
For the vast majority of readers here, honesty is a daily feature of their life.
On the other hand politics; lying is a daily feature of life and Ron De-Actsurprised, is a phoney.
Elon, is a very good double agent, reminds me of a rich mans Carter Page.
DeSantis: It is self-evident that he is running for president. DeSantis is part of the national pretense of the Republicans/Democrats/Uniparty.
Musk: He had to know of the government’s involvement, at least in terms of its underwriting the cost of a business model that deliberately sells “coffee” at a loss. But, smart as he may be, he still took the vax and booster and acknowledged his significant adverse reaction. Musk has pulled the curtain back on much of our national pretense, but it not all it seems as Dr. Shiva makes a compelling case.
The entire thing is a Potemkin Village, the entire US government is one long CON game to steal wealth from its citizenry…..We are WAR mongering deep state captives……..
Now Elon Musk has control of :
SpaceX (48%) and the multi silo’d, defense/patriot built NASA replacement is under his control. Missles, Rockets, bombs, science. A WEF/Government frontier
Neuralink: an internet, communications replacement, more versatile and protable, and easier to control than the multilayered internet. A government/WEF frontier
Tesla: Rolling in money, but very few visible cars. Probably rolling in Government deals due to participation in Green (If Elon’s doing it) at WEF government frontier.
Twitter: the largest social media save Facebook, discovered government infiltration and public opinion swaying mechanism. A WEF/government frontier.
Did this just happen? is it possible?
Elon happened to have a cameo appearance in the elevator with Amber Heard, who, in her role as a female vixen/villian, incurred the wrath of more Americans than Biden/Trump votes combined.
This drama, starring woke Johnny Depp and Amber in the greatest attention grabbing media diversion of 2022. Elon is there too.
Elon supposedly slept with her in the middle of all of his and her other relationships. The seemingly smartest man in the world gets a judgement pass, because he is so smart, likely autistic, like Sheldon in Big Bang. How can one man be involved in so much?
How can Barack Obama be involved in so much?
How can Joe Biden and his wayward son be involved in so much?
How did Devon Nunez go from sitting on one of the most powerful committees in the government to head of Truth Social?
How about the Drama of Nancy (curse you Donald Trump) the wicked witch of the West.
It is all drama paraded in front of us.
If it seems like a play for our “entertainment”, it probably is.
If it seems surreal, it likely is.
Our job is to find the wizard behind the curtain, and find what they want, and stop participating like reactionary lemmings, in the play.
We can stop this play anytime we want. It is part of their game to make us think we should be afraid, that we have no options.
It is our attention they want, our reactions, our money, our labor, our wealth.
But that is not enough for them. They want our minds, our hearts
But that is not enough for them. They want our children’s minds and hearts.
They are trying to build a cage around us to have us as their circus animals.
This is a higher priority to them than our very lives. They don’t mind sacrificing our lives to get what they want.
Few visible cars?
I don’t know where you live, but in southern California, Teslas are EVERYWHERE.
I live just outside the Atlanta metro umbrella. They’re everywhere here, too.
Central jersey has many also
Here in Greater Vancouver B.C. too.
The number is truly staggering. Seeing 4 or 5 at a major intersection is not uncommon
Just down from us a 5 min drive, a shopping mall has ten Tesla charging Stations.
All ten were occupied the last time we drove by, and several Teslas were lined up waiting.
The wealth around this place is surreal.
Cheers!
I live in a red area of CA and I see them constantly.
Central Texas rural. Not a Tesla in sight. I did see a Porsche at church the other day.
I live in Pensacola. So far as I know only 3 Electric car charging stations.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
I think ONE was spotted in Tennessee…elusive little buggers
Dallas too
Scottsdale AZ is lousy with them too.
In order to believe Musk, you would have to accept a level of detachment from all things social media on Musk’s part that doesn’t seem plausible.
Which leaves 2 possibilities..
1. He’s extraordinarily naive and telling the truth OR
2. He’s lying for what has to be nefarious reasons.
#2 doesn’t neccesarily mean BAD (for us) maybr he is lieing in order to have “plausible deniability” to the “six ways to get you” crowd.
Like stumbling onto a back room high stakes poker game.
“Oh, sorry fellas I thought this was the BATHROOM,..sorry, ..sorry! as you back out the door, and hope they let you.
Elon COULD be playing Sgt. Schultz;
“I knew NOTHING,..I SAW NOTHHHHHHING!”
Excellent take. I’m obviously jaded by the levels of deceit we have come to expect from tech.
Musk does deserve the benefit of the doubt.
But I’ll still keep an eye on him.
Matt Taibi and the Twitter Files verses Substack
-is bizarro!
-WHY allege that Matt works FOR Substack
in order to cancel Matt out?
I dunno….
When Pelosi said,
“WE have to pass the Bill to find out what’s in it”
comes to mind.
I mean, airing -so publicly that voting yes for unknown pre-written legislation; for an entire nation, -is normal-
-normalized
that the elected body
is NOT in control.
Except …., they are.
What is Musk helping to normalize ?
Spying
“What is Musk helping to normalize?” Now, THAT’s the trillion dollar question.
Considering his other business ventures, like Tesla, require heavy government subsidies, WHY would Musk bite the globalist hand that feeds him?
Same with DeSoros, the ‘secret’ presidential contender “hiding” in plain sight: WHY would he bite the globalist hand that props him up?
Answer is they wouldn’t. Musk is helping to ‘normalize’ a platform that collects copious amounts of data about its users. He is tossing out information about vaxxes and such, as it’s already become too obvious to conceal such info.
But so far -and correct me if I’m wrong- Musk hasn’t gone all out to expose transhumanism and the great reset. He has stuck to what Sundance terms the ‘social’ issues that distract us from WWIII.
One thing I find intriguing about Musk is that his Asperger’s makes it difficult for him to read social situations and participate in deceit. It goes against his nature to lie convincingly, because lying requires manipulation and deception. And that’s a craft that those with Asperger’s can’t quite pull off, because they can’t read their marks.
They’re both full of crap imho.
Elon, who knows about him right now. Maybe we will see more later. He runs a company (Twitter) that we don’t have to have contact with if we don’t want to.
Desanctus, he is a RINO. He wants to run a company (USA) thats power will grow larger and have increasing control in a strangling manner over our lives whether we like it or not.
One is a choice to deal with, the other is a given that well have to deal with if the Uniparty forces him down our throat.
Well stated! Twitter is a choice, not a necessity. “Walk away” “pull the plug”. We have the ultimate control. We are not victims, we are willing participants.
Yeah, no.
Globalist playing good cop bad cop. Both are the good cops in each scenario. Elon was to look like the good guy coming in to save the day. Ron was the exact acting for the Covid crisis. It’s all plain as day now.
I give Elon Musk the benefit if the doubt.
DeSantis is a lying weasel of the worst kind. He knew exactly what was going on and he was all prepared to be the nominee after given the assurance that Trump would be removed from the race.
I don’t believe Musk or De Santis. Both predicates are constructed to obfuscate the true intent of the 2 principals.
The part that doesn’t make sense to me is that Twitter’s censorship model worked just swell without Elon Musk. So if he was in cahoots with gubmint, why would he then purchase Twitter and rock the boat?
I don’t think Musk knew the extent of Jack’s Coffee shop. I think Musk just wanted to buy a large platform to tweet his latest business ventures, and got in deeper than he intended.
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He purchased Twitter to use it as a jumping-off point for an “all services, everything” social/financial/retail media hub. The twitting commentating part will become less and less a portion of what he has planned. The government backbone will assist with future development of the company. To reassure people to come back, market, etc. the brouhaha pretense of outing the bad from the Twitter/First Amendment portion.
The development of everything else already has started and it’s being ignored.
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Judith,
I agree with your first point.
THEY do not do the “limited hangout” because they WANT to, they do it because events FORCE them to.
WHAT precipitating event, where the connection was going to be revealed ANYWAY, caused them to decide they needed to do this elaborate ploy with Musk, if thats what it was?
The only thing I can think of, is a little,..article in a far corner of the Internet.
The article was titles,…
“Jacks coffee shop,…”,..something along those lines, IIRC.
Both are liars, and both have an agenda.
The Musk agenda is that of the old time oligarchs. Carnegie, Ford, Rockefeller etc He has purchased his place within the modern oligarchy like Gates, Zuckerburg, Bezos. Each one of them wealthy enough to own countries, sway policy, wage war, and shape the world. All of them have the secret services fully ensconced within their orgs. None of them deny it, and Elon pretended some ALLOWED transparency so that he too may now be rewarded for swaying public opinion.
The illusion of choice that always leads to the same thing.
Ron the con, is an AH who used the people of Florida to push through an agenda that would make Floridians feel good about him, and boost his electoral chance of being POTUS. He elevates the tabloid substance of things in the hopes of garnering votes. He is the Sean Hannity of local politics, and he really thinks were stupid.
Right to reply sums it up nicely- Musk is not my friend or for me or America First or even PDJT-
As a Floridian Desantis has done as little as possible other than “tabloid” governance- he is likely to completely disappear from relevance without some sort of miracle- he’s a little guy who has achieved much but clearly is out of his league with PDJT
Deep inside, every person knows truth. We might pretend to not know and thus justify our personal ambitions.
To thine own self be true is a high spiritual call.
They both know.
Is there one politician who truly cares for the welfare of the people?
NO!
Donald J. Trump
and Kari Lake.
Trump/Lake Retribution
2024
There’s probably more alphabet agencies involved too.
Consider the parallel with large scale bid rigging.
Competitors know that the system is rigged, and that such a system is illegal on multiple fronts.
Yet the public sees a different process and believes the process worked to prevent the ol’ boy scratch me/scratch you cheating, until the process is exposed.
Apropos of the article subject, if you are a player submitting bids in that system, you know it’s rigged, but you keep up the appearance.
Two theories.
One, they aren’t as smart/critical thinkers as you are or many who comment on this website.
Two, they are smart but are also liars for the controlled opposition.
I’m more concerned with what is still in the shadows. We know Meta directly violated Federal election law by doling out +$500M of Zuckerbucks to swing the 2020 election to Biden by literally buying votes. We know that the majority of superpak monies for Democrats come from foreign sources, which remain in the shadows. And the list goes on. Nothing has been done, nothing has changed. Fully expect 2024 to be another steal.
Musk is smart. But as the news (if it could be trusted) kept stating before he bought twitter, the previous owners of twitter couldn’t accurately predict how many bots there were. And when they did, they gave some very low estimate (due to legal matters, they had to estimate low). Musk didn’t seem to fight that battle. The sale went through without Musk ever really getting a solid answer. I think he got quite a surprise when he finally had control and could see the percentage of bots was way over the previous owner’s estimates.
I think it’s about the same with the gov’t. I think Musk knew there was a gov’t backend. I think he counted on it being there when he bought twitter. What I don’t think he realized is the depths to which the gov’t controlled twitter, the amount of control they exerted on the backend, the numerous tentacles throughout the system, etc. I think that aspect did catch him somewhat by surprise.
As for DeSantis. He keeps his head in the sand on purpose. He puts blinders on, on purpose. Plausible denial. Well, you know, they started funding me but it was just a start and I was looking forward to 2028. When Trump seemed to get into trouble, the GOP needed a backup plan for 2024 and I said, sure. Look, I never asked about details. I had to keep Florida running through a hurricane. I just hired good people to help keep my, uh, not-campaign, going in case, you know, I needed it.
Uh, yeah, DeSantis seems to be a tool being used by the GOP and he doesn’t seem to mind it one bit. Other people do the work for him, which suits him just fine.
Mark Murray – I live on FMB – fort myers beach-
Desantis gets an F , Florida Crackers got this place up- there was zero GOVT for first 72+ hours –
Disgraceful
Musk is subsidized by our government/ EV and Space Exploration. DeSantis is a Jag Politician riding on the coat tail of Trump as a MAGA candidate and subsidized by big business. The government and big business do not let you join the party unless you play the game.
No difference between the two.
They are both feigning innocence.
I am enjoying watching the marionette dance by these two.
I can believe Mask had no idea of the depth that DHS, DNI (and I’m sure there were others) had infiltrated twitter.
I can’t believe DeSantis had no idea about a presidential campaign was being planned under his nose.
I think Elon knew most of what he was getting into with Twitter and being a shrewd business man will use it as a bargaining chip in many ways to further his interests. Some of those interests may be agreeable with conservatives and some not. DeSantis is another Pence or Pompeo, deceptive to his constituents. I do harbor a secret hope that he and PDJT worked out a secret deal where DS will pull out at the last minute leaving the uniparty in shock and those votes going to Trump.
was any $$$$ flowing into Twitter to show ‘wizard behind curtain’?
if not what would be traceable ‘fingerprints’
I believe DeSantis knew all along. Just about had to. He also had to “play it” the way he did because of the State and federal systems work that way.
Musk – I believe he did not know. He is first and foremost a business man. If he knew he was going to write off $20+B then he would not have done it. The majority of folks still believe most of what the MSM tells them. I just cannot see anyway he would have paid a premium for a company controlled by US Government agencies. UNLESS he was forced to.
That said all the big time investors make bad business decisions during their career, Musk is no exception to that fact.
I dunno. I’m gonna have Yuengling beer with my steak tonight.
That’s good beer. Enjoy!
Maybe someone already commented so please excuse repetition. As to Musk, i recall in his deal offer he was to forgo full due diligence except for validation of financial filings with a focus on bot numbers which would have greatly affected ad charges/revenues. that aligns with his statement: i didn’t know till after…
That is my recollection also. His ‘offer’ gave away typical ‘due diligence’, including the right to avoid the purchase if review of the records and business revealed misrepresentation or significant hidden problems. No lawyer would have Not have warned him, but Musk probably was told by the twitter founders (who still own a piece of twitter?) that sale required no business review. This alone warned Musk that there were major problems (bots, inflated advertising numbers…), but did not warn about the extensive government intrusion.
Also, some government surveillance demands ‘legally’ required twitter to maintain secrecy.
Musk likely wanted to enhance and combine twitter with his fledgling satellite phone/wifi business. He also underestimated the “woke” boycott threats to twitter’s advertiser base.
If Desantis hangs out with rove, ryan, mcconnell or a bush, that is fairly conclusive information.
Elon Musk is a much less obvious illusion than DeSantis. Both are very dangerous parts of a very dangerous whole – the corporatist / globalist control of governments.
Sundance is citing Musk’s denial of knowing that two very specific government entities – U.S. Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) – were operating on the backbone of the communication platform (i.e., operating in Twitter’s system).
I think Elon knew very well that the feds were involved in the censorship of Twitter users and certain political narratives and news stories. BUT I have seen nothing to date where he is quoted as naming those two particular entities as being involved – directly or indirectly – with Twitters operations.
DeSantis has obviously been deceitful for years so, given the size and sources of his campaign contributions and GOP support, there is no question as to his foreknowledge of campaign requirements.
DeSantis is political slime of the worst kind. Musk is not trustworthy.
* I can’t see how Musk wouldn’t have known. The question, then, becomes why. Did he buy it to open the books, per se or is their a CCP angle here that we can’t quite see yet. With Tesla in China and knowing what we know about how the CCP operates, it’s worth exploring, IMO. I still can’t decide on an endgame for Musk & Twitter. It’s intriguing.
*DeSantis is doing his Florida constituents a huge disfavor. He likes to tout his YUGE win in ‘22, but he lied to all of them. He definitely knew he was positioning for POTUS before his “landslide” win. Suspicious cat believes the powers-that-be allowed the big win. Nothing was left to chance, I’m sure. Also, DeS claimed that he would have fired FauxChi and told the states what to do if he had been POTUS during CV1984. That proves that 10A only matters when he’s governor. He has never discussed election integrity and tows the party line about President Trump. DeS is now a bought and paid for marionette of the GOPe. He is now the enemy of We, The People.
*there (sorry)
Mr. Musk has too many resources and far too many government contacts for him to have gone into that purchase blind as he is representing. He may not have known quite how deep the rabbit hole was, but he had to have had a damn good idea. As far as Mr. Desantis, his record in government prior to his governorship in Florida illuminates his current moves and motives. When these men are saying they had no idea, I don’t believe a single word.
As for Desantis, res ipsa loquitor. Lying scum.
Musk has done too much damage to the 3 letter agencies and exposed too much for him, or this iteration of him, to be just controlled opposition, but there is no way he is telling the truth about not knowing the intelligence community background operation and uses of Twitter.
Whether he is ultimately a white hat, a black hat or a black hat who had his loyalties voluntarily or involuntarily switched, remains to be seen. We possess too little verifiable granular information to be able to make the determination.
I don’t mean to minimize either situation, but this is the way I think:
Remind me again who are the enemies working within to destroy us? BILLIONAIRES
What is Elon Musk? A BILLIONAIRE
Figuratively speaking of course, BURN TWITTER TO THE GROUND.
What is it that Ron DeSantis wants? MONEY & POWER
What is it that he aspires to be? A BILLIONAIRE
I rest my case.
P. S. I’m just a peon so no offense intended to anyone for thinking more deeply.
Yes, agreed. They are both motivated by gaining wealth and influence using other people’s money.. typical politicians really which means they think their lying is for a good cause..
The Twitter Files is pretty clearly a giant Limited Hangout. All of the supposed “smoking guns” to come out of it have been lukewarm at best and the 3 people behind it, Taibbi, Weiss and Shellenberger are all still Leftists no matter what you hear. Especially Shellenberger.
95% chance Elon is phony.
100% for Ron.
Musk IMO is a public face of a faction in the Federal Bureaucracy that is financing and and protecting him. Tesla and SpaceX could not survive much less thrive without that support. He is not a puppet like a Fetterman, he had to have had known the IC had its hooks into Twitter and the other SM companies. The only question in my mind is whether he was fully aware how deeply entwined Twitter was with the IC. His public reaction of shock that Baker was still employed by Twitter might be genuine. But then he might have known and was waiting for Baker to continue doing what he was doing and use it as an excuse to axe him.
A number of posters note that SpaceX is government funded. So? That is required for a rocket business.
But Musk has been extremely productive at SpaceX. IMHO, SpaceX has astoundingly rapid technical and commercial development and competence, which has left NASA in the dust. There is no comparison of NASA cost vs SpaceX launch cost, of NASA schedule ‘extensions’ vs SpaceX performance.
How did he do that? By lying?
Plus, the government shows how much it supports Tesla by snubbing it from all EV confabs (because it’s non union)? I don’t think so.
At the time Elon bough Twitter, I tweeted and DM’d Elon with this EXACT question, further asking why he did not sue for misrepresentation and damages.
(NOTE: most every business purchase agreement has Reps and Warranties which is supposed to protect both parties and keep sellers honest)
No reply, and my tweet and DM magically disappeared off of the platform.
Not much has changed for me since CTH originally began to shed sunlight on DeSantis/2024 and Musk/Twitter. Two fine examples of how deep the swamp really is.
In respect to DeSantis, well, I will repost my original comment on the subject from right around the time CTH began to expose it and enough said:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/22/team-behind-florida-governor-ron-desantis-buy-first-national-tv-campaign-ad/
In respect to Musk/Twitter the governments involvement was already assumed without the need for it to be conclusively proven. It was obvious. I knew when the trail led to the master weaponizer and re-tooler himself (obama) the investigation would fizzle out. All the investigations being conducted in Congress are to buy time and distract away from the election fraud that keeps the status quo in power. Yes, Its still a Magic Coffee Shop……………………… Jack.
Ulterior motives.
Ron’s is obvious to me.
Elon’s is still unclear to me.
“TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA”
“However, with these two points in mind, what does that say about the current state of our national pretense?”
“The Truth of the Thing” is the current state of our national pretense is an Agenda of pretense, not TRUTH.
Musk is playing with his own money. He could lose $44b on a bad stock day. He says he values free speech and saw online censorship as the potential problem. If he wants to spend his money to call what he thinks is a bluff, okay by me. Ace or duece he still has something of value.
DeSantis is playing with other people’s money; he knows it and is willing to do what he is told and expects a big return for being on the right side. HE’S BETTING THE FARM.
“Its all about the ENVELOPES!”
“Its all about the DATA!”
My FIL passed recently, and many years ago he bought a life ins. policy of $2000, and named his two daughters (one now my wife) so an actual ‘pay out’ to each of about $850.
In the forms required for the payout, is a tax withholding form, and a complete HIPPA form, signed and dated allowing the Insurance company unfettered access to the BENIFICIARIES MEDICAL RECORDS, with NO restrictions on who they can ‘share’ them with.
So, my wife and her sister are “selling” their medical records to the Insurance company, that can then resell them to numerous ‘clients’, companies, organisations or govt.
Not sure thats WORTH selling, for a paltry $850?
p.s. Its all about the ENVELOPES!
Speaking of envelopes-WHAT WAS IN THOSE ENVELOPES DISHED OUT TO THE CLINTONS, BUSHES AND OBAMAS AT HW BUSH’S FUNERAL
From what I have read about Twitter and Elon leads me to think Elon knew about heavy government influence. How could he not after seeing what happened with Covid related tweets. I do think Elon was surprised by how much control over twitter the government actually has. It is one thing to see influence, a whole other thing to realize the government can control the algorithms.
For DeStantis, he is not that smart, but everyone knows there is a big club and he wanted in. He knew there was a process, but maybe he was surprised that it was in the works for 24 months, maybe he thought it was only 23 months.
My simple assessment … as bad as I truly think it is … it’s likely a million times worse.
I believe that Soros, his Committee of Radical Evil Liberals and BlackRock run the real White House and Country while the Biden Prop is stashed away until the next necessary photo-op … they work 24/7/365 to destroy Trump, MAGA & America … while advancing their “ReSet” NWO Agenda.
These demons work on 100 different things at the same time … with total support from RATS, RINOS, Media, Intelligence, Military, Pentagon, Tech, Chamber of Commerce etc.
Yet, our MAGA Patriot President Donald Trump keeps fighting for WeThePeople … so … I continue to pray to God for His Divine Intervention and Protection of Donald John Trump and Family. Amen.
And … whether Musk or DeSantis are working with them or being used by them is impossible to really know right now … my suspicion … DeSantis is being used and Elon Musk is an interesting Billionaire.
Not true both.
I believe that it’s possible that both Musk and DeSanctimonious are controlled if not closet White Hats. It’s just too much of a coincidence that Musk buys the primary Deep State bullhorn and starts releasing confirmation regarding many of the things that Sundance has been talking about for years regarding the entanglement of the IC/government with Social Media. We simply don’t know the reach or power of the White Hats within the IC/government as to whether they could be providing the “permission” that Sundance has mentioned for his actions. As to DeSanctimonious, if his mission was to suck all the oxygen out of any Trump opposition right up until primary season at which point he bows out because it’s “not his time”, he couldn’t be doing a better job. And, as I have to keep reminding myself, if any of us knows just what the hell is going on in this 5GW, then the Black Hats do. Just keeping all options open with the knowledge that, in the end, God wins….