The timing here is genuinely ridiculous. It’s as if the federal government, specifically the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, led by… Richard Trumka Jr (yes, that guy’s son)… doesn’t think or care that we can see the real issue is to change energy uses.
Now that Russia has been isolated from natural gas sales, the European Union needs the supply of all other natural gas markets in order to keep itself from freezing to death. Simultaneously, natural gas as an energy resource is now bad, terrible like oil and coal, amid the climate change cult.
So, they need to change the narrative and stop people from using natural gas appliances.
Suddenly, after generations of natural gas appliances existing in almost half of the kitchens, suddenly the appliances are toxic, dangerous and likely to require a ban against use.
(Bloomberg) – A federal agency says a ban on gas stoves is on the table amid rising concern about harmful indoor air pollutants emitted by the appliances.
The US Consumer Product Safety Commission plans to take action to address the pollution, which can cause health and respiratory problems. “This is a hidden hazard,” Richard Trumka Jr., an agency commissioner, said in an interview. “Any option is on the table. Products that can’t be made safe can be banned.”
Natural gas stoves, which are used in about 40% of homes in the US, emit air pollutants such as nitrogen dioxide, carbon monoxide and fine particulate matter at levels the EPA and World Health Organization have said are unsafe and linked to respiratory illness, cardiovascular problems, cancer, and other health conditions, according to reports by groups such as the Institute for Policy Integrity and the American Chemical Society. Consumer Reports, in October, urged consumers planning to buy a new range to consider going electric after tests conducted by the group found high levels of nitrogen oxide gases from gas stoves.
New peer-reviewed research published last month in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health found that more than 12% of current childhood asthma cases in the US can be attributed to gas stove use. (read more)
Its peer reviewed they say. Carved in stone tablets it must be… Just like the vaccine and other health papers and studies… Swear.
Comrade citizens, you must gather twigs, carry flint rocks, eat bugs and sustainable algae cakes, and adapt your parasitic lifestyle to become the best citizen that planet earth deserves. There can be no gas appliances in your tiny house.
All good comrade citizens who care about their carbon footprint are removing gas stoves and returning to heating water atop open fires in order to comply with the permitted bathing requirement each month, while staying safely your water distribution allotment.
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And next they come after your gas boiler.
Federal agencies need to be reeled in as well.
Yeah, like the government cares about your health! (sarc)
Remember the incandescent light bulb? Now they are talking about fluorescent bans. Do you know how many fluorescent lights are in commercial spaces? Sure LED is better, but replacing all of those fluorescent bulbs is not exactly a simple matter. They all have to be disposed of properly and they contain heavy metals. They can’t even recycle all the worn out or less efficient solar panels in California properly. They also contain toxins.
I think I read about the natural gas issue in California, I think they are also talking about restricting gas cooking appliances. California also banned many small gasoline engines, the kind used in leaf blowers, weed whackers and perhaps avoiding larger lawn mowers. But can you imagine the hell a landscaper would go through to use electric? They would need massive lithium battery solutions with many swappable packs, using larger recharging stations powered by the same batteries. Those batteries would only last a couple years at best needing to be replaced. They would have to charge everything every night. Sure they could use inverters on their trucks to charge the battery packs but that means leaving an engine running. How much longer before they outlaw gasoline in automobiles? They already forced truckers to buy trucks that were built after 2010 or they can’t drive in the state of California. Currently, they are still using their existing gasoline powered equipment but would have to travel out of state to buy new. But imagine if that insanity went federal?
Anyone who cooks professionally prefers natural gas over electric 100 to 1. California restaurants are not pleased with what the state has been talking about. Now it’s going federal.
WAKE UP PEOPLE! They are screwing with all the requirements for modern living. Population control is also something they would want to do but won’t talk openly about. Well that might be why the vaccine is killing people. Now imagine Soylent Green not just being a dystopian Charlton Heston film but a playbook!
I share the obvious outrage about this article, but I can’t help but think how hard a truly caring bureaucrat like Richard Trumka, Junior, had to work to get ahead in life.
His work ethnic, I mean ethic, has to be stellar. And he cares. About us.
So the electric power plants will burn more gas and coal to meet more electricity demand, Just FN brilliant.
Anyway, come and take my gas power appliances.
If they really want to do the world a solid they would replace the WEF and their political diciples.
Instead, they’re sending Chris Wray and several other IC bigwigs to Davos.
https://dossier.substack.com/p/us-delegation-to-davos-revealed-includes
Yep, and spewing hydrocarbon combustion elements the entire way.
Here in Wyoming cooking with our gas stove adds some moisture to the dry air in the house. Now it has the added benefit of throwing a little sand in the Ukraine war effort. Had that nice thought this morning cooking our soft boiled eggs.
Truth
And cooking with dried cow pies just doesn’t seem like a fair trade.
How dare you live better than a Ukrainian refugee !! Who do you think you are? An American? The goal of “the greens” is to punish Americans for their decadent lifestyles … such as cooking with gas … they want us to become humble and live in the dirt.
Seems like this “green idea” is to move us (force us) into using electricity only, and they with the power to shut down the grid at their pleasure.
What could possibly go wrong? “Take that, you peasants!”
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Hell hath no fury as the peasants scorned.
Gas cooks much better and is much cheaper.
A neighbor from Europe was at our house Christmas Eve and she said she is afraid of gas and it is dangerous. I was so surprised I thought maybe they told them weird propaganda in the Soviet Union. Ha! It was apparently weird propaganda from 2022 America! She watches a lot of TV – the alphabets. I bet they are publicizing this narrative!
Bizarrely, that ‘gas is dangerous’ is prevalent in many areas that don’t have the natural gas infrastructure available. I live out in the boonies in Texas, no natural gas here, unless you have a propane tank. I have spoken with people about it, and they are afraid their house will explode. Weird, but there you are.
The fear of NG or LPG is from the events in big cities with old infrastructure/plumbing.
Not so much lately, but not unheard of, row houses in cities like NYC used gas to heat and run appliances.
The old plumbing would fail, gas would leak, then BOOM, another row house burns.
The same might apply overseas.
I grew up in Boston proper and we all had gas for everything and it 50+ years I don’t remember a single natural gas explosion. Anytime I heard of one on the news is was a single family home in burbs and probably an insurance job because nobody ever seemed to get hurt.
When we moved into our house in the country — well and septic system was totally new to two “city” people — I was freaked out by the very large oil tank sitting in the basement.
IN THE HOUSE?! Was my question, thinking we were going to die with the first spark that flew the wrong way.
Apparently diesel doesn’t spark so easily, and home heating oil is similar to diesel (or is diesel???). We’re still here after seven years, and I still have cautious respect for the big tank of oil in our basement.
It is untaxed diesel. Chemically, it is heavy kerosene.
Just watched an episode of “This House” (a youtube series that looks at the history of old American mansions, many of which are gone). The Stokes Family mansion, Shadow Brook, in NY was the 2nd largest house in the US for many years. Then a spark set off extra barrels of stored oil in the cellar and the place detonated. Carnegie spent that last years of his life there as he was too old to go back to Castle Sligo in Scotland.
(of course, the children of the rich owner, became active in the early US Commuist Party movmement!)
It is like so many things in life. Natural gas is only dangerous if you do not know what you are doing. Tanks belong outside, even Obama knew this. The pilot lights must be lit carefully and there must be some outside air for safety. Once the pilot lights are lit, the stoves and heaters are safe to use as needed. When using grills outside, care must be taken when hooking up and turning on and off the tanks. Just like plumbing, problems occur when the pipes have leaks or are not properly functioning. Then, just like plumbing, you turn it off at the main and have a professional figure out the issue.
When the electricity in my house went off for 5 days a few winter ago due to a big storm, I had no lights, no heat and no way to cook. I had to leave.
Subsequently, I had wall heaters installed which run on gas and do not need electricity, also
bought a small one burner propane/butane camp stove, thinking I had solved the problem of heating and cooking if/when the electricity went off.
So now what does Richard Trumka Jr. think I should do? I hate to think of the answer.
May I repeat rvpearls remark “please try and take my gas stove, you will really regret it”.
Buy spares while you can. I’m kind of due for a furnace. Going to buy one and sit it right next to the old one. Worse case, I use it when the current one (which is 21 years old now) craps out.
I spent 20 plus years waiting for a 1980s electric stove/oven to die. I finally just replaced the beige one with a white one with an overhead microwave in 1921. Then, I sold the place a few months later.
2017 due to wind storm damaging electrical grid, our house was out of electricity for 7 days. We had gas appliances including a boiler so all I needed to heat the house was power for the circulation pump. Put car next to house connected an automotive inverter to extension, wired to the pump. Car worked as a generator for 6 days, stopping only for refueling. (Generators were sold out) Car is still a daily driver with excess of 300,000 miles and original alternator.
This is one of those stories just roll your eyes at. These people are delusional.
Not delusional. Desperate to bring our country down by any means possible.
Everything they tell you to at this point the opposite is probably in your best interest.
They are pumping devastating vaccines in American children and adults and now our gas stoves are harmful…..
Spiraling down.
They still haven’t stopped the vaxxes and no one gives a s**t. “They” should be charged with crimes against humanity but hey no one really give a s**t.
The people in power do not care. The rest of us do.
Colossal bullshit. Sixty years ago electric stoves were in their infancy. Most folks had gas ranges in their kitchens. Asthma was virtually unheard of.
For that matter, some 75% of the conditions and illnesses that roam across the fruited plain today were either rare or unknown sixy years ago. I’m not talking about covid – no, I refer to asthma, ADHD, dementia, food allergies, gluten sensitivity, Epstein-Barr, IBS, et al. You and I know exactly what the causes are, and they are not a result of combustion of the methane molecule.
Most of the maladies you mentioned have their roots in childhood vaccinations as the cause. But, we aren’t allowed to talk about that.
Methane? Hmmm? Next thing they’ll outlaw beans. You fart… you go to jail.
Where will all those lib vegans get their protein? I guess they’ll die. And I guess all those illegals will hafta go back across the border.
Might be something good will come out of this yet.
FECKIN’ IDIOT
DEMOCRATS!
Children who are exposed to farm animals when they are young have a very low incidence of asthma. Even having a dog in the house has measurable effects. Babies reared in a hyper-clean environment are much more likely to develop it.
Beware of any claim that A causes asthma, of B causes it. The cause is not known. A and B might aggravate it. Note carefully the exact wording of the claim:
“Natural gas stoves, which are used in about 40% of homes in the US, emit air pollutants such as nitrogen dioxide, carbon monoxide and fine particulate matter at levels the EPA and World Health Organization have said are unsafe and linked to respiratory illness, cardiovascular problems, cancer, and other health conditions, according to reports by groups such as the Institute for Policy Integrity and the American Chemical Society.”
Fine particulate matter means PM2.5 (particles with an aerodynamic diameter of 2.5 microns).
In essence, these two institutions are claiming to have valid integrated exposure responses (IER’s) for NO and CO, plus fugitive methane from natural gas stoves. Read on….
NO is an air pollutant, however there is very little N in natural gas. The stoves are tuned to the current emission permitted. If the limit is lowered, they will tune the stove. There is no need to ban the fuel. NO (or NOx) is not inherent in the fuel.
As gas stoves are required to have a vent to the outdoors, the fact that they emit CO2, CO and NO (at all) is not a cause for concern unless building codes have been violated. Gas appliances are known as “ventilated stoves”, the same as a gas-fired dryer – it is vented outside.
Next, what did the EPA say for years about “safe” levels of air pollution? Why has this suddenly changed now that the air is cleaner than it has ever been in all human history?
What study did the WHO use to base their claim that the existing standards provided “unsafe” air, and must be tightened? Please WHO, point to the ground-breaking study.
You will find upon investigation that that WHO speculations are based on HAPIT, specifically version 3, and the global burden of disease (GBD) calculations. Indoor air pollution (IAP) speculations and certain “key assumptions” go into their models. Note that no one is claiming that air pollution from gas appliances kills anyone. They attribute risk to it. Attribution is not causation.
Further:
There is no default relationship defined by any representative measurements that can be assumed for all locations, residence types, and stove use patterns. Personal exposures of the cook in the vicinity of the stove are not necessarily limited to just fuel emissions but also those from the food, ingredients, and surrounding toxins, and must consider ventilation by fans.
No one could possibly know the IAP PM2.5 exposure or changes in all PM2.5 exposure and changes in income, diets, family composition and size, residential location and building shell, mobility of people in polluted areas, and therefore what effect “reducing exposure” in a kitchen will have compared with an (unventilated) electric stove. The answer of course, is an increase in air pollution and exposure because cooking produces a host of PM2.5 particle, many toxic.
Not only are group (intervention populations) baselines for risk factors and burden of disease not available – pre-intervention history and post-intervention lifetimes – but in most countries there is no baseline even for past generations, i.e., cohorts dead and the contributing causes. See the World Bank HNP note on “disability adjusted life years” circa 1998.
The claim that PM2.5 exposure-response relationship is universal is misleading. There is no such “relationship”, associative or causal, based on exposure and response measurements. To put it crudely, “the best available scientific evidence” is not good enough for policy considerations. Demanding an end to natural gas cooking is such a “policy”.
There is no theory of PM2.5 and NO exposures and responses that can hold across all cohorts and over all durations and temporal patterns of exposure on the “exposure” side and all response–specific causes of death and morbidity on the other.
This is from the WHO (2014):
“A major limitation of the IER approach is that it depends on several underlying assumptions mentioned above, about which expert opinion is not in complete agreement.”
No kidding. Thus in reply, we can quote the WHO to the WHO about the worthiness of all recent claims about health, exposure and natural gas stoves.
Best answer yet.
ADHD, asthma, allergies and Epstein-Barr existed, but, the diagnosis was often missed sixty years ago. It is not all the result of vaccinations, although many are. My sister and I only had the polio and small pox vaccinations. When you look at pictures of us under 5, it is obvious that she had ADHD. My history of sinusitis dates back to age 2, so, 1956ish. They took my tonsils out, which did not fix my issues. At age 2, I had not had any vaccinations.
I’ve always thought the adherents to the climate cult who want to depopulate the planet should lead by example and off themselves. Would solve multiple problems.
I keep waiting, but none want to practice what they preach.
Kitchens larger than 500 square feet will be exempted insuring only the rich and well connected will have gas cooking appliances.
Just who’s version of proper venting do you think should apply? Had a gas range years ago and the vent was the hood to the outside and you turned on the fan. No one died.
This was to be a reply to Jean Arthur, not sure how it ended up here. Not paying attention I guess.
Love gas stoves, but they are rarely installed with proper venting.
Rarely? And how do you know that?
Back in the 50’s and prior non-venting was more prevalent. Typically, we’d open a window when cooking. The house came with a flue in the kitchen to hook up a wood-burning stove too.
My rural place built in the 60’s was built with a powered vent hood over the cooktop, all sheet metal flue, and had an equally sized makeup air duct installed in the HVAC return air system. That was in the 1960’s.
Venting is helpful but one must always remember makeup air, particularly in today’s tight homes. Or, just open a window a crack. Perhaps inefficient but it works and is safe.
“All good comrade citizens who care about their carbon footprint are removing gas stoves and returning to heating water atop open fires…”
Open fires are bad due to their polluting nature. No, we will be expected to eat raw food and bathe ourselves in frigid mountain springs.
The cult of safetyism, which is psyops to control suckers, is running amok.
Another day, another cult.
Will try to remember the name of that one and use it often.
This is funny. Natural gas is also used at electric utility plants. All the nasty H2O and CO2 emissions from natural gas. .. Oh the humanity!
Must have more windmills!
If you’re sitting around the table at Starbucks, stoned out of your mind on hopium, this all might sound like a good idea but in reality it’s just not doable. They say that 43% of Americans if they have a $500 emergency they would have to either borrow it or put it on a credit card. These same people are supposed to buy an electric car, furnace, stove, hot water heater, lawn mower, all the various internal combustion engine such as chain saws and weed eaters not to mention those of us who rely on tractors, four wheelers, demand generators and 4 wheel drive pick up trucks. Has there been a cost analysis for all this? A resounding NO! Bottom line you can put down on paper anything you want but putting it into effect is a whole different story. On the upside this just might be the wake up call that “the people” need to get off their all consuming forms of entertainment and revolt.
No to the electric furnace comrade. It must be an air-source heat pump and layered clothing in the colder climes. Get with the program!
If you think they can’t take away/screw up your gas appliances, think about what they did to washing machines, and dish washers and faucets and gas cans. You have to go find commercial appliances if you want ones that actually work.
Well, not quite, but close. The washing machines work, but do not last. The dishwashers mostly work with only the latest and greatest dishwasher detergents, not the cheap stuff; and again, they do not last. Flush button toilets are not fixable by the homeowner and variable amounts of water dispensed do not make a difference, if you have to push the button twice. Faucets and shower heads behave poorly and do not last.
I would guess that there are more people killed by electrocution than gas inhalation
Oh no….(insert mock fear)….gasp!?!!
I dont want to lose my gas stove!!
Quick!
Have the R’s pass something!
Yeah that’s the ticket!
…but…will it pass the Senate?
Will the President sign it?
Bahahaha!
The fact that the R’s think the public doesn’t get this is horrifying.
The day is coming where we are going to do to them what they have been doing to us…popping them the proverbial bird!
I dare say when we get around to it, we will do worse.
The insanity will continue until it is intolerable. January 6 protest tested the waters as to what the pathetic parasitic leftist democrats responses would be when free people speak out in anger demanding redress of their grievances .
The response was and still is as expected : A committee of DC leftist swamp dwellers using a Weaponized justice department to crush any and all that dare to speak out against their lies and false innuendoes all picked up and run by leftest presstitutes repeating the false narrative at a feverish pitch . The propaganda machine of government is totally out of control!
Fixing it is impossible.
Now it’s natural gas , really after generations and wide spread use .
Every aspect of American life is under attack by leftist agendas .
Eventually average Americans will have been pushed to far and when that breaking point comes those responsible will not be able to hide from The American Storm !
Just remember lefties you are begging for an uprising by your relentless actions !
Here in Ca they are doing their best to follow the lead.
First, I am an architect & energy analyst, meaning I have to model houses to show compliance with state energy code.
In this new code cycle this year, they have made it virtuously impossible to use natural gas, so that means no new gas equipment.
Next, I just got a notification from SDGE (utility) that the electric rates will go up by an average of $10/mo (OK, I can manage that) and that gas will go up by an average of $120/mo (WTF!?!) My gas now is between $10-30/mo.
The goal is motivate anyone looking to replace a range/dryer/Water heater/furnace to go electric.
Once that is accomplished, then they can jack the rates on electricity because we have now been herded into one pen.
*virtually – damn you autocorrect
10 years ago, it was everyone needs to switch to gas because it’s cheaper and better for the environment. Regulators are almost solely responsible for the increase in building/housing costs.
And…”they” retain the big OFF switch for electricity. I’m sure Cali will manage that precious resource at least as well as they do water. Extortion much?
Who owns / controls SDGE? The answer to that question may be very informative, as it will reveal who is dictating utility agendas in your formerly-lovely state.
SD\E?
Why are we the people putting up with this crap? The answer is NO! We the people pay these “gumbas” their wages. Our Declaration of Independence says “We the people,”not We the Federal Gov. The White House has an e-mail site {Web Site?}, fill it up with comments. Be polite, I don’t want you arrested. NO is the answer.
And so I am trying to go solar. Not because it is sane to do here in Michigan and not because it is economically beneficial. It is because I have no trust in the clowns running the game. I am 67 at 72 I do not want to be without lights heat and water. I will not be interested in cutting trees or fetching water so I will be depended on the basic technologies And electri ity.
Years ago I spent a good deal of money converting the property I bought from propane to natgas. Not complaining I have recovered that cost 10 times over.
This time I will never recover the cost BUT I will live long enough to see these sobs get what’s coming
FJB F them all
have a new gas furnace, not giving that up,,,,and if I give up my lawn tractor and mowers, my little blue dot town will fine me daily to clip the grass, what am I supposed to do, go out there with scissors?
Buy yerself an environmentaally-friendly goat, I guess.
I’ve been wanting to pioneer the ultimate “environmentally friendly” yard: no mowing, no weeding, no raking up leaves. Just let it grow and develop as nature intended.
I’ve got one, it’s called the forest. Remarkably low maintenance. Being at the coast it’s so wet that one can’t burn outdoor wood without gas or diesel to get it going and even then it goes out. Perfect. Knock down the natural grass by the house once a month or so, easy peasy.
Given your username, sounds like you are on the right track. Good luck!
Eat me Gov and FOAD
That’s not just a gas “stove” … that is a six-burner gas range priced at about $4K.
… tell any Chef he can’t use a gas stove…
Oh hell no! I waited 25 years to change my little farmhouse back to gas appliances – not about to give them up to anyone!!!
We’re living through the stupidest of times.
These people are the best of the best. top minds I tell ya OPG.
And next week they will ban electric ranges because they need the electrons for cars.
What electrons?
There are not going to be enough to matter when the ruinables (wind, solar) are exceeding 20% of the grid capacity. Never mind the rest of the details as far as technical or economic feasibility.
One would not have to travel as far as Germany for those horror stories of expensive energy. California, New York, Massachusetts, etc are barreling right down after them.
Guess it’s time to get back to making batteries out of stacks of pennies and vinegar-soaked paper towels.
I need your recipe!
Why aren’t these chemists finding out what’s in the shot?
So who is going to pay for the all electric dream for my house. I just upgraded my gas water heater and AC and gas furnace because I was told that the AC unit would no longer accept the old ac coolant.
Now I have to upgrade again? Screw the Democrats. At least we have a sort-of Republican House that will put this crap on hold……I hope.
The Barbecue will be targeted also, assuming it hasn’t been already. Texans won’t put up with that one.
Dan Crenshaw will
Yea, Florida isn’t having that either. Gotta cook up what defrosted due to power failure post hurricane.
Natural gas is methane – one carbon and four hydrogens. If burning it produces nitrogen oxides or particulates, it’s because of the stuff like mercaptan they add to make it stink. If that’s the problem, find a different odorant. We took lead out of gasoline, we can do this too. But in truth, they just don’t want you to be able to use it and this is their excuse.
The primary component in natural gas is methane, but it is far from alone. There several different “-anes” mixed in with it, and a lot of contaminants.
Ya Know, It wasn’t that long ago that natural gas was considered a clean burning fuel. More pretending I guess.
How much more will we, as a country, take from these people?
I have a 6-burner Russell Range cooktop. There is NO WAY these pigs are gonna take my gas cooktop…(which uses propane).
Had a visitor from Germany a few Christmas’s ago and she freaked out when she went to heat up a dish she had brought to share with our Christmas Dinner! I had to stand there with her while I cut on one of the burners and she jumped back a bit. After she finally calmed down, and understood that the cooktop would not blow up and burn her, she TOTALLY LOVED it!!!
Jill Biden cooking at their Delaware home, on a gas stove.
Just got my bill from the Southern Cal Gas Company and it has doubled since last year at this time. I have heard it has tripled in some areas with PG&E. Our Gov. here is perfect example of a deranged narcissist. So much natural gas has been discovered under the US that it should be dirt cheap. Have always had a Carbon Monoxide alarm but never in my life have I had any problems.
What is next? Electricity because we could be shocked to death???????? Come on now !!!!! WE have all lived with gas heat and gas fired water heat for decades !!!!! Quit lying to us !!!!!!!!
Natural gas………….. abundant and reliable and cheap. No money to be made from it for friends of friends re the ruling class. so of course the govt is against it.
I grew up in a time and place where your gas stove helped heat your home. They had a radiator built into the side. We would have froze without it and so would most of our neighbors.
Lol, I’d love to see police coming to the house to stop me from using a gas stove. lol They surely wouldn’t want to die over something so pathetic.
Oh, but what to do when you can no longer get the gas that powers that stove? They will make it illegal to deliver natural or propane. Then what?
Remember Prohibition?
This is why I’ve been promoting, largely falling upon deaf ears, the alternative economy. Make a choice. What is happening is a bunch of lawyers are boxing people into smaller and smaller corners with made-up laws. Make a choice. Succumb to their tyranny or fight back. There is no peaceful way to combat tyranny. Never has been, never will be, not as long as humans are what humans are.
Before Uncle Joe Peking Biden, there was another infamous Uncle Joe – Joseph Stalin. Is it coincidence they both share the same nickname? Is it a coincidence that they both abused and subjugated their own people with draconian measures and laws?
What kind of leader want sot make life constantly more difficult for his citizens and put in place onerous regulations and laws that erode freedomsand go agains the wishes of the people.
For the First time in American history, we have a illegitimate president working to destroy America completely and utterly.
cross posted at https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/thread/3029/fix-australias-natural-supply-problems
For those who do not know, Coleman stove fuel is unleaded gasoline, Seriously. It costs 4 times as much as unleaded gasoline. So now you know.
Depends on the camp stove, I have one that is dual fuel, propane or gasoline, just like my generator. My gasoline is in two 5 gallon cans with stabilizer and I have 2 single gallon propane and 2 twenty gallon propane tanks outside.
Aren’t those rich celebrity chefs going to be PO’d.. they love cooking on gas stoves b/c the heat is more evenly distributed compared to electric stoves. Especially ovens – where you can have very uneven heat zones w/ electric coils.