President Donald Trump came under massive amounts of fire recently for saying, “So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”
What President Trump is noting, is the exact same reason why Kari Lake’s lawsuit, like every other election lawsuit before it, will fail. Our U.S. Constitution permits election fraud and manipulation, as long as that state level election fraud and manipulation does not break federal law. {Direct Rumble Link} – WATCH:
Obviously, it would be frustrating for President Trump to ask legal advisors what can be done about certified results from fraudulently constructed elections. The reply from the legal advisors around the state certification would frustrate anybody, because the constitution permits fraudulent elections. The decision on how to conduct elections is entirely up to the states.
The states, via state legislature, determine their election rules, laws and outcomes that eventually lead to state certification. If a state wants to block voters, impede voters, or manipulate the voting outcome, there is generally nothing in federal law to stop them – as long as the state or county does not break federal laws protecting classes or protected categories of persons.
Federal law generally prohibits disenfranchisement of people based on race, age, national origin, sex, marital status, disability, pregnancy, gender, sexual orientation and disability, along with other categories.
Federal law does not prohibit disenfranchisement based on ideology, political affiliation or outlook. If a state or local election system wants to block voters based on affiliation or ideology, they can…. as long as it doesn’t have a disparate impact on the protected category.
If a state legislature wanted to assign 1/2 value to each Republican vote, there is nothing in the constitution that would prohibit that rule.
If a state election outcome results in the loss of 50% of the republican votes in the local or state election, there is nothing in the federal law that would correct the issue. The state is responsible for certifying the results.
The supreme court will not hear an election controversy issue or legal challenge based on certified results from states. The constitution permits states to conduct their own elections, and as long as federal laws are not violated, the state certification ends the discussion. This is the great dichotomy within U.S. election around election manipulation by a state or local election officials. There is no federal recourse if no federally protected category was adversely impacted.
The DNC argues election disenfranchisement, rules, dates, times, locations, etc based entirely on protected federal categories, ie. the date or method of the election has an adverse impact to a specifically protected category of racial minorities. This is the typical DNC lawsuit.
EX. the RNC or DNC candidates have no legal footing to sue in federal court if everyone wearing a green shirt was turned away from county polling locations; unless they can prove that a green shirt was worn by a higher percentage of a protected category of persons (i.e., disparate impact).
Additionally, due to the private nature of the corporations that run candidates, notably the RNC and DNC, there is also no prohibition to stop the RNC or DNC from disapproving candidates unless they also were discriminating based on a protected category. Not coincidentally, political parties are not recognized in the U.S. constitution.
This election reality is why control over state level elections is where the battle has to be fought. Once a state certifies the election outcome, there is almost no way the federal courts can/will intervene unless the lawsuit is based on a claim that federally protected voters were specifically targeted.
America 2022: Where the great beliefs of the Founding Fathers have gone to die.
The beliefs of the Founding Fathers only die IF WE LET IT DIE.
It’s like Decline, it’s a choice, and WE aren’t going to let those beliefs die or let American fall into Decline as long as we don’t give up!
That’s what MAGA has always been about. So don’t give up, the fight’s only just begun!
What about the upcoming Brunson case? To be heard by Supreme Court on 1/6/23…curious what others think ( look up Brunson 22-380)
What Sundance might be overlooking, however, is that “Arizona law as written by the Legislature thereof” does not permit these practices, either. What has actually happened here is that Judges, Governors, and sometimes even just election officials (in various states) have simply decided to re-write those laws – or simply ignore them – as suited their personal fancy.
Legislatures have generally been very aware of election fraud and have stipulated strict measures to prevent it. But a law does not mean one damned thing if the people tasked with obeying it take the law into their own hands – and no one stops them.
Then it looks like Kari Lake, Mark Finchem and the other Republican candidates Arizona lawyers are going to be very busy over the next few weeks. It is a State matter, and once votes are certified it’s going to be an uphill battle to get standing.
The Maricopa County SOS did not have the authority to joint the ERIC. This authority could only come from the State legislators.
The Federal Government did not have the authority to order access to the State Voter Roll Databases or ERIC again.
In my opinion, the election was conducted unlawfully, therefore it could not be certified.
One way to get the Supreme Court into the fight is to use Federalism.
If multiple red states create a schism in election law between red and blue states it will have to come to the supremes. Blue states did exactly that will gay marriage and red states did it with abortion. The supremes don’t like it when states have divergent rules that threaten cohesion.
Not sure what the schism would be. Maybe not recognizing corrupt elections by restricting free trade or travel from those states.
Your a bot. Wow, they aren’t even assigning the treehouse to rolcons with a pulse, now they are using bots?
Should we be insulted, or are they being taxxed to their limits, on human operatives, lol.
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person probably tossed so you can’t see it.
just remember the j6 protest locally until resignation would solve the crap the States are allowed to do for elections.
Get the creeps out.
Que???
How did you make the Bot vs Rolcon determination? The post was off topic and radical which gave a good indication of a problem. Did you check it’s user info as a hint of something that was recently created?
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. ”
Wrong, President Trump.
These are the things that reduce a great and free nation to thuggery and intimidation.
We already have those, but abandoning our Constitution would truly be the final nail in our coffin.
Change the system, yes. Resist corruption, yes. Fight for freedom, yes. But toss out the Constitution?
No, sir, Mr. Trump, no sir.
That’s where I would not stand beside you.
First you need to determine WHICH constitution(s) are to be tossed. There are THREE: The Constitution for the united States of America, the Constitution of the United States of America, and the Constitution of the United States. The first is the one we need to keep – this is our founding contract document. The second is a commercial contract establishing the British Territorial United States (Nancy’s Democracy) and it needs to go; we can now handle our own defences and managemement of territories. The third is also a commercial contract with the Papacy to provide certain municipal services. That one needs renegotiation – unless, of course, you like being a debt slave to the Pope and paying taxes, mortgages, and utility bills you don’t even owe.
Oh, by the way, the People are not parties to any of the Constitutions.
The American States Assembly (americanstatenationals.org)
Thank you, All_in!
This is a Truth most people won’t be able to wrap their heads around. I hope your putting it here will help some to do some research to find how these extra two “constitutions” were brought about.
Of course we are parties to this constitution. First three words..
We the People.
Pity we’ve shirked that responsibility.
Absolutely, Tom!
Absolutely not!
We seem to have forgotten that each organic State, like Michigan, is a sovereign nation with physical assets and defined borders. State -of-State entities, like State of Michigan, are corporate entities that exist only on paper. Living People populate organic States on the land and soil. Fictional PERSONS (dead entities) make up the State-of-State corporations within the sea jurisdiction. The dead do not control the living.
The Constitution for the united States of America is both a contract and trust indenture between the organic States of America in the national jurisdiction. The States subcontracted with the British monarchy and the Papacy to provide specific governmental services in the national and international jurisdictions. The federal government corporations have NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER over the land and soil jurisdiction where the People reside. These subcontractors ran amok during the Civil War and assumed authorities they do not posess, and they have held public office by fraud for generations. The entire federal government that exists today is a bogus constitutional democracy acting in place of the federal republic that was mothballed when the southern states walked out and it was never reconstructed.
The Congress of the United States IS NOT the same thing as The United States in Congress Assembeled.
Regain your individual sovereignty and repopulate your organic States and Counties to reconstruct the lawful government and put our employees back in their box. Here’s how:
The American States Assembly (americanstatenationals.org)
I forgot to add that Yes, we Have shirked our responsibilities – for generations. WAKE UP!
Don’t be coy.
You know what Constitution I was referring to!
The preamble calls it “… this Constitution for the United States of America.” I don’t know or care which Constitutions you are referring to but they were obviously superseded by the Constitution referred to in the preamble which starts with “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic …”
Sundance is speaking about the separation of powers contained in that document and I believe he has gotten the legal interpretation of the power granted to the States to run their own elections using their own rules except when protected classes of people are specifically somehow suppressed in their efforts to vote by an election within a particular State. Unfortunately, we have amended the Constitution several times, and we seem to add another protected class of people who cannot be suppressed from voting each time. This, like every other attempt we have made to give more powers to the Federal Government, has resulted in whole departments full of federal bureaucrats whose job is to consolidate that power over the States.
I believe the inclusion of slavery in the Constitution was the worst blunder the founders could have made. But we also have to remember that most people spent their entire lives within the boundaries of the State they were born in. And conceptually, slavery didn’t seem like much of an issue for the Federal Government to need to deal with. The only place where slaves were mentioned was related to how States could count them for purposes of reapportionment of the House of Representatives. Apparently, only predominately Negro people were ever slaves in the United States and I have no information to doubt that interpretation.
So, after a terrible Civil War 80 years later, the whole mess got taken care of by making Negro men the first protected minority class of citizens. Now there are so many protected classes of citizens that the only unprotected minority class of citizens which remain is Caucasian men.
So, to resolve the problem so even Caucasian men can be protected we might as well pass an Amendment to let the Federal Government control all elections which involve Federal Government elected positions, and once again assert that all Citizens of our Country are entitled to Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness, and the Privilege to Vote in all elections. This is the kind of convoluted crap that goes on when we let Lawyers try to twist the laws to suit themselves. I think, at the least, we should make it illegal for Lawyers to live inside the District of Columbia!
Biden would have been in jail long before he ever made it to his SECOND presidential run if, law enforcement enforced the law s. Nevermind the scandals of his son and daughter, the man and his family are criminals, as well as Obama and that whole cabinet.
I think everyone needs to step back from Trump for a time and examine the man, it would be wise. We are grasping at anything for a win and I think the answers are already before us.
Only one was righteous but, you can do righteous acts. Those are determined by intent as well as outcome. These are not equal to “good intentions”. Righteous is to know what is right and do it, only the Bible can define those acts. I would have little interest in a man claiming his loyalty to God, unless his actions were righteous. Does not take a perfect man to do righteous acts. God uses the filthy as well as the clean.
Yes I agree
YES! I love your handle/screen name Palerider!
Bad take.
Evidently, you haven’t noticed we’ve been living in a post-constitutional country for several years. When federal government justice, law enforcement, intelligence services and courts, in collusion with activist media, conduct an unprecedented coup and subvert and steal elections, with no accountability or recourse, there is nothing in the constitution to rectify it. The communist Democrat Party, and a feckless or complicit GOP establishment, has taken the country to a dark place. Biden and his cabinet make a mockery of their oath to uphold the constitution. Federal laws are ignored (e.g. immigration) while clearly unconstitutional regulations and diktats go unchallenged.
Trump has righteous anger, but he’s also correct. Even our founders knew that, knowing man’s nature and history, the country could find itself in dire straits where rebellion was needed. Jefferson thought and wrote of this quite often. I’m not saying, and Trump is not saying, that it’s time for revolution. What he’s clearly doing is thinking out loud, and stating the obvious – in a post-constitutional country, how do we course correct?
You need to go and read what he said again he did not say to throw out the constitution. Trump is the one president that did everything by the book. The media twisted what he said. Stop watching MSM.
I’m not “watching MSM”
I got the QUOTE , here, at the Treehouse!
You’d better go back and read before letting blind loyalty lead you to attacking someone.
In case you haven’t noticed, President Trump isn’t a wordsmith, he’s no great orator. However essentially his message is true.
Our founders put fourth a constitution meant to ensure honest elections, not to enshrine and support dishonest elections.
I suggest you study the sometimes messy ratification of this constitution and what the politicians and the judiciary, but I repeat myself, has transformed it into.
In short, our founders never intended their progeny to worship a constitution.
I don’t worship anyone or anything except my Lord, Jesus Christ.
However, I do believe our founders expected their progeny to respect the Constitution, and I do, zits and all.
And you are correct: Trump is no wordsmith.
I pray for him often, and pray he can master his ego.
What is being done to J6 prisoners is about as close as one can come to suspending constitutional rights. I would also say that our intelligence/law enforcement agencies get away with outright violations of guaranteed constitutional rights under the auspices of national security. It is happening to President Trump as we speak. Get real.
I have no problem with his ego. I see it as his armour against the continual onslaught of attacks. A man without that much belief in his abilities would have tucked tail and run long ago.
His ego gives him the strength he needs to endure. It is obvious to me, by his words and actions, that his decisions are based on love for the ordinary citizens of the country and the Constitution.
I smile when he boasts because I know where his heart is and that he is a leader I can trust. I see noone else better equipped for this fight.
Sorry sir, but our constitution is dead.
Show me what the constitution has stopped any of these people from doing what they are doing.
As mark steyn says “don’t waive your constitution at me”
He’s absolutely correct.
There are no “strong” men to uphold such a document.
We are a banana republic.
I interpreted Trumps comment differently. I think he was saying that those who commit Massive Fraud are terminating all rules and abandoning the constitution. I dont think he was advocating breaking rules or abandoning the constitution. the left who is performing unconstitutional acts almost every day, is again trying to spin a story to make trump look silly
Sorry, simply reacting to what QUOTE was attributed to Trump.
Not looking for a fight (yet).
That’s exactly how I interpreted it.
President Trump did not advocate the tossing of the Constitution. He is saying that what the fraudsters have done with the Tech Companies is create processes (with respect to elections) that ignore (“toss”) the Constitution as well as many other rules and laws
He is not saying to trash the Constitution. There is a flaw however if cheating can be tolerated that results in a coup of our government. That is insurrection is t it? If there is no redress then perhaps there needs to be an amendment to correct it. Our rights as citizens, We The People can’t be so discounted by a Constitution that was created solely to protect our God given right to chose who governs us.
Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution: “Congress shall guarantee to each state a republican form of government.”
Quora:
“Per James Madison in directly explaining the meaning of this in Federalist No 43, the reasons were threefold:
In line with #3, per Madison in The Federalist Papers No. 10, one basic reason for a republican form of government in the general as well as state governments was to prevent direct democracies.”…….
Child Molester Biden is essentially a One-Party Self-Installed Monarch under an anti-republican scheme of Systemic Statism.
This is a criminal de-publican not republican scheme, as the public’s voice was stolen.
Far from guaranteeing each state a republican form of government, Congress has been criminally complicit in denying it to states through Mail-In Fraud and many other means.
What is a “creed”? Also it could be argued that Christians are being disenfranchised in large numbers because they couldn’t vote in their designated areas in Az due to voting machine errors.
Then there’s conspiracy to commit treason, sedition, and subversion. I’m pretty sure there’s a case for that as well after at minimum the last 6 yrs of asymmetric war from the insurgents in this country. Not to mention the theft and fraudulent handling of out taxes through the Ukraine and CCP. Our Founders made it quite clear we have a case in Declaration of Independence as well as the Constitution.
Great minds? Same wavelength. Same timeframe. See above.
We are being rolconed, by a BOT?
Should we be insulted, or take it that they have run out of rolcons with a pulse, and so are resorting to AI?
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Could you please explain your comment a little more? This is your second post saying this but I have no idea what you are referring to or talking about. Thanks!
We had an apparent FED BOT TROLL spamming us.
As often happens, when they are taken down those that had returned fire are left to appear as if they are shooting at thin air.
😶 🤔 😜
Thanks for your reply. Now it makes some sense.
oh, okay, now Dutchman’s comment make sense. Glad to have missed that!
What’s interesting is that “Dutchman” has been consistent commentator here for sometime with some very good conservative commentary and observations. This type of comment and the repeating of said commentary is not in line his(?) previous commentary. Draw your own conclusions.
Are there any USC experts in the house tonight? Asking for 350 M friends.
US Constitution 14th Amendment
Section 2
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Noting, of course, further amendments as to who have voting rights.
This provision does not clarify HOW the determination is made as to who is a citizen of each state, how many fake ballots ABRIDGE yet DENY the vote of said individuals; however, it is clear if those conditions are met, we should be able to throw out a LOT of the House.
Elections and how they are to be conducted is solely in the hands of each individual State.
There is a Supreme Court hearing, this Wednesday at 10:00 a.m. east coast time, about elections, the question being:
“Whether a state’s judicial branch may nullify the regulations governing the “Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives . . . prescribed by the Legislature thereof, U.S. CONST. art. 1 sect. 4, cl. 1, and replace them with regulations of the state’s courts’ own devising, based on vague state constitutional provisions purportedly vesting the state judiciary with power to prescribe whatever rules it deems appropriate to ensure a “fair” or “free” election”
Here is a link to the Supreme Court’s page that anyone can click on and listen to the live hearing. There are two unrelated hearings before the court tomorrow, and this one on whether a state’s judiciary can change the law at their whim is scheduled for Wednesday, 10 a.m. (eastern time), on the day when they go live the little blue audio symbol will appear (and then anyone can listen in after its over)
https://www.supremecourt.gov/
RICO is a the only way forward.
Organized Crime
And bring it to what court, and who in our government will prosecute?
Who will make the arrests?
Altogether?
None.
“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.”–Actual President Abraham Lincoln
They think aborting a child as it draws its first breath is in the Constitution.
They think sending mobs to burn down America’s cities under FBI protection is in the Constitution.
They think their beloved One World Government is in the Constitution.
They think having their Fascist Corporate Partners cancel you is in the Constitution.
They think giving young children secret sex-change procedures is in the Constitution.
They think Erasing our Borders is in the Constitution.
They think raiding a President’s house with a Secret Warrant is in the Constitution.
They think the Government ordering Big Tech to silence you is in the Constitution.
They think conducting an Endless War and laundering the Aid Money back to themselves is in the Constitution.
They think Obeying their Chinese Owners is in the Constitution.
They think building and unleashing Bio-Weapon Viruses and Vaccines on you is in the Constitution.
But there is one thing they don’t think is in the Constitution: Our Right to Honest Elections.
Without those, our Constitution is pointless.
We see plainly now that they plan to steal elections FOREVER.
That’s because elections–Honest Elections–are the Constitution’s way that we control the Government.
Without them, a power-mad Government controls us. It is that simple.
They have now seized control of OUR Elections to control us, and they will NEVER GIVE UP THAT CONTROL WILLINGLY.
They want to keep the illusion of a Constitution, but the Authentic Constitution is already gone. They only want to keep the parts that let them run this Fascist Police State. If the Articles of the Constitution are used to rubberstamp an Election Fraud Coup, that must be remedied before all else.
I’m glad another Actual President of the United States finally said it.
IF THE CONSTITUTION DOESN’T CONTAIN HONEST ELECTIONS, THERE ALREADY IS NO LONGER A TRUE CONSTITUTION. ONLY A TOTALITARIAN MURDER/SUICIDE PACT IN THE PLACE WHERE THE PEOPLES’ CONSTITUTION ONCE STOOD.
President Trump–the duly-elected and re-elected President of the United States of America–is right.
Again.
Rest in the Vine: WITHOUT HONEST ELECTIONS, THERE IS NO CONSTITUTION; PRESIDENT TRUMP IS RIGHT
right again Gipper THANKS
In Knoxville, TN about 20 years ago a county charter amendment passed by popular vote enacting term limits. The county officials, a vast Republican majority, developed the clever idea that if they declined to file the results of the election with the TN Secretary of State, the amendment would not be enforcable, for the sole reason that it was not properly filed.
A few years passed, and most of these cretins were re-elected. A certain activist, I forget the name, filed suit in Knox County Chancery Court with the claim that these people were holding office in violation of the the Tennessee Code, or Constitution, I can’t recall the exact language and I don’t have FindLaw.
These officials actually went to court and claimed their lawfully conducted re-election overrode the dispute over the unenforceable charter amendment.
The Judge, Chancellor Darrel Fansler, a very brave and honest man apparently, declared Knox County under “de-facto government, exercising the appearance of government without lawful standing”, ejected the imposters from their post on commision and county department offices, and ordered the remaining commissioners to develop a plan to refill the affected positions.
The officials went from the county court room to the commission meeting room and elected their associates to fill the balance of their terms, until they could run again.
Back to Chancellor Fansler. On subsequent motion, he found that those members of commission were removed upon his order, and acted again illegally by participation in a commission meeting and voting after their removal. They, and the replacements voted in were again removed, though the replacements could be properly appointed by the remaining commissioners, which they were. 4 or five out of more than a dozen were not removed, I don’t recall the exact numbers.
The Chancellor is an elected office, and Fansler, a democrat, did not win his next election in 2014.
Absolutely🇺🇸
100% agree with The Gipper Lives
There should be a remedy for elections where the state law was violated, and that is the case in Arizona. Maricopa county election officials even admitted breaking state law but said it was “antiquated” so they ignored it. There were other laws broken, so if we still have a modicum of the rule of law, this election should be overturned and a new election ordered.
There is, it’s called an election contest and Kari Lake can only”bring it” AFTER the “election” is certified.
Of course the Arizona judiciary is gopE corrupted and will probably deny the will of the people.
Lake won’t go silently into that good night thank the good Lord so it should be an epic spectacle.
Another reason on why the RNC sucks at contesting elections… they agreed not to.
“The Consent Decree was filed on November 1, 1982.
The Consent Decree in November of 1982 started almost 40 years of silencing the Republican National Committee efforts in voter integrity and working the voting polls. What did they agree to in 1982? I have included an abbreviated list for you to see and will give a better understanding why the RNC has been silent for so many years. The following information is taken directly from the United States District Court District of New Jersey’s documents: Civil Action No. 81-03876. ”
https://www.carsoncityrepublicans.com/post/the-republican-national-committee-consent-decree-of-1982-opinion
“To put it bluntly, the Consent Decree in effect gave a carte blanche to the Democrat Party to commit vote fraud in every voting district across America that has, in the language of the Consent Decree, “a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations.” The term “substantial proportion” is not defined.”
“Since 1982, the Consent Decree had been renewed every year by the original judge, Carter appointee District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise, who, even after he retired, returned every year for the sole purpose of renewing his 1982 order for another year.
Debevoise died in August 2015.”
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“Flash forward to December 1, 2017, when the Consent Decree was due to expire.
According to NJ.com, the Democrat Party tried to extend the Consent Decree, claiming that the 2016 Trump presidential campaign had colluded with the RNC in voter intimidation efforts, and that Trump’s commission to examine suspected Democratic voter fraud was, in the words of Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ), “a thinly veiled voter suppression effort”. ”
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“As reported by NJ.com on January 9, 2018, Judge Vazquez ruled that the Democratic National Committee did not prove that the RNC violated the Consent Decree prior to its Dec. 1, 2017, expiration date.”
https://www.jonathanepmoore.com/the-1982-consent-decree-and-connecting-the-dots/
After ignoring the Constitution and The Bill of Rights for years, all of a sudden they become offended by Trump writing about the obvious fraud and collusion by the FEDs and the DemocRats to steal the 2020 election. Give me a break.
YES! YES! YES! Sitting here screaming at the screen. SOMEONE in our camp gets the game. PREACH it, Sundance!
SO — what are we gonna do about it? Are we going to piss and moan and cry and complain? Or are we going to go out and do whatever we have to do at the state level to win the rigged game? Are we prepared to get our uniforms dirty at the state level?
You’re still playing by their rules for you with that statement.
Getting dirty should be a national strike and every Patriot in this Republic peacefully fill the streets in every Capitol in every state in this nation until WE get our government back from the globalists, CCP, and the insurgents. There’s at least 70 million people that think like we do.
It’s pretty obvious The People cannot win the election game because THEY own the system and they don’t want to hear from you anymore. So you have 3 choices as of now. Massive peaceful demonstrations until all conspirators are held accountable, kinetic war/die for you country, or live as a slaves/own nothing and like it. After 2024 I do not believe that we will be in a position to publicly demonstrate like we think, plus if people aren’t as pissed as a Brazilian after 6 years of treason and watching Az and everybswing state in.the inion get ransacked then it’s all lost anyway. so then it will be die for a lost cause or live as slaves.
People better wake up soon we are standing on at a precipice.
A time for choosing.
My question would be why did the SCOTUS intervene in the case of Florida in 2000 if the state determines the rules for the election in that state?
Good Question…
Because that wasn’t a state election. It was a federal election for two federal offices, president and vice-president.
still run by the State!
many commenters have offered that Rehnquist, Scalia, Thomas, O’Connor, Kennedy should have stayed out and allowed the Constitutional process to continue which would have avoided the all the scorn afterwards.
The Florida State Legislature was going to choose the electors and not a damn thing could stop that!
SCOTUS did what they did because it was getting waaaay waaay out of control and it needed a quick fix.
God Bless Them. I remember all that craziness. Little did I know that was just the beginning…
Because it discriminated against the poor blacks in Miami Dade.
The presiding bench was the Florida Supreme Court.
The Florida Supreme Court ordered a hand recount of questionable ballots in four counties. (guess which four)
Majority opinion
“At oral arguments on December 11, Bush’s legal team asserted that the Florida Supreme Court had exceeded its authority by ordering the manual recount of undervotes, while Gore’s team contended that the case, having already been decided at the state level, was not a matter for consideration at the federal level.
In a per curiam ruling issued the following day, the Court found (7–2) that, owing to inconsistencies in manual recounting methods and standards between Florida counties, the Florida court’s order of a manual recount amounted to a violation of the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”
https://www.britannica.com/event/Bush-v-Gore/Majority-opinion
Perhaps, the question shouldn’t be “Who might have been prevented from voting” in any particular Arizona county, but rather, “Were there inconsistencies in counting methods and standards between Arizona counties?”
SCOTUS intervened ONLY to end the Florida State Supreme Court’s interference.
SCOTUS shut down the Florida State Supreme Court.
SCOTUS then deferred to the State Legislature to make the choice that they were already assembling to make.
DO NOT ACCEPT THE LIE, “Selected Not Elected”. SCOTUS stepped in to disallow an unconstitutional process to go forward. Why didn’t SCOTUS do the same thing in 2020 when 17-States protested the Pennsylvania certification?
Do I have to explain that?
Would SCOTUS consider intervening in the Arizona elections after the Arizona Secretary of State (running for the highest elected seat in the state) threatened “Federal Prison” sentences for any county Board of Elections officials who would not certify (even after having done so, but under duress) the election in the Secretary of States favor?
If this is purely a state matter, why threaten FEDERAL PUNISHMENT!
An excellent point! Expand the thought: How can a state official threaten federal incarceration? Oh, the tangled web…
What 17 states protested and were those protests submitted by the votes of state legislatures in those 17 states?
The Florida recount was found to violate the Equal Protection Clause of the US Constitution because the entire state was not being recounted, only cherry picked locales. The recount could have continued had they recounted the entire state, but the Gore Camp capitulated, knowing they could not prevail if they attempted their strategy statewide.
If Gore had only won his own state of Tennessee…
🤔 Not enough cheatin I reckon…
Florida would have been irrelevant. (Electorally)
He lost his own home town.
Gore not only lost his home state. He was far, far from the brightest bulb on the tree. But HE DID, however, invent the internet/s
They made their ruling based on a state law regarding the timeline to complete certain procedures of the election.
Fraud vitiates everything.
Full stop!
And yet we consent to the fraud.
I’m tired of people speaking about laws when the crooks are running the show.
Please read this article for a deeper explanation of what Maximus is saying. Then do a search of “Fraud vitiates everything!” There is lots of historical support for this legal concept.
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=35491
Since all the states put money and resources into federal elections, they have a right to know in advance if any state has rigged its election to ensure the loss of specific candidates for federal office. If enough states decide to do that, other states might choose simply not to put money and resources into ensuring fair elections for those offices. The problem is not that the states rigged their elections against Trump. It’s that they lied about it and pretended to be planning a fair election.
I do not know any state that wasn’t rigged in some way. They may have not succeeded but they tried. Both parties bat for the ‘preferred’ candidate.
And it is ver easy in my own city. My local GOP chair has not run one Republican for City Council in the last four years.
So, whichever party cheats the best will be the winner, and I’m thinking that will mean Democrat rule forever and ever!!
Republicans are not in the game except where a MAGA candidate is concerned. Then they gladly step in to assist in that candidate’s failure.
I think a political cartel comprised of the top Democrat and top Republican politicians are running the country. Trump never was, nor ever will be, part of this cartel.
The cartel’s major problems are the MAGA voters and the Bernie Sanders voters, who must be constantly controlled and demoralized.
Kari Lake’s Arizona experience, and the experience in Georgia and Pennsylvania, etc, etc, etc, shows that by the time massive election fraud takes place in a state, the bad guys are already in control of all the institutions that one would normally go to to seek redress. That’s all part of the plan. I mean, would you commit such fraud if you thought you could be caught and punished?
So even in this case, we might as well accept that unless conservatives engage in mass protest to send a message to the bad guys, this is just going to continue to happen. The steal was utterly obvious in Arizona, yet Arizona conservatives relied on hopium to help Lake. No one protested. Good little sheep. So the outcome was just as obvious.
Until MAGA conservative realize that only one thing now stands in the way of AmeriKa, using the 2nd Amendment as the Founders intended, we will continue losing these battles … in state after state, until it’s too late. Arizona is now probably gone for good. Another opportunity lost. But hey … I’m just a FBI Troll …. RIGHT, Wayne?
Protests are needed like in Brazil.
I agree with this post.
The crooks are not going to stop because all of a sudden they grow a conscious.
Unless forcefully removed we are not going to win anything.
Actually, I believe that just a MASSIVE show of force/will at this juncture might be enough to stop this … or at least give us time for some corrective measures in the democRAT/GOPe community to stop this madness. Realize that the elite at the top of the other side don’t want this to go nuclear because then they will definitely lose that good life they enjoy. To give them, and those below them that pause, they need to see … viscerally … that we have the will, the manpower and the weaponry to seriously threaten their life of luxuries and their lives, too. They need to see that it’s not just some of us, but at least 3%, like in the Revolutionary War days, who are willing to stand up and be counted. They need to be told in this fashion that it’s we who control the food, water, power, sanitation, distribution network, transportation system, medical system, communication system, etc. etc etc that their good lives depend on. They need to be shown that we are everywhere … where they work, where they live, where their families live, where their kids go to school and that they won’t be able to hide if this blows up. And they need to be shown that we outnumber every armed agent in the government, the police and the military combined and can field just as many small arms. THAT *might*, hopefully be enough to halt this slide into 1984 before it’s too late.
the crooks are always ten steps ahead of us
if you contest the election before certification you have no standing,
if you contest the election after certification your case is moot > SEE HOW THAT WORKS?!
And Harmeet Dhillon knows this.
Talk of a national divorce has been common for some time now.
I suggest we start with a trial separation. Each of us needs to completely ostracize any person in our own circle who is part of the big steal. If we can’t stop being neighborly with those who are stealing from us, if we can’t bring ourselves to be “rude” to those who will destroy our very way of life, then how will we find the stomach to do the heavy lifting to restore civilization?
Do you want change? Then start by changing what you will accept from those you see daily.
an old rule for establishing ‘a mathematics’:
Make a mark. Call it the prime distinction. The remainder of a mathematics (language) follows that.
And this is why the dems want to continuously expand the protected classes to include every type of person found in the dem party. Gender confused, sexually deviant, victims of whatever, you name it. Dems want them to have federal protected status.
When the insane rule a nation, there’s nothing to stop what comes next – chaos, the kind of chaos that rules within the padded cells of the asylum.
“In Greek mythology, Chaos comes from the Greek word χάος and Eris, the God of Chaos, was known among the other Greek gods for her short temper, moodiness, and bloodlust. She loved carnage and chilling with her brother, God of War, Ares.” (historycoop.org)
A Constitutional Republic with divided government is the restraint against Chaos. But leftist criminals have sapped our Constitutional walls while we slumbered and introduced something primal and destructive to our once shining system of governance.
Chaos always wins because it’s better organized.
Thermodynamics…see entropy and related topics.
Pestilence, war, famine, and death.
So state governments can collude with big tech and restrict freedom of speech to interfere in a state election and there is no way to challenge?
Same with election officials telling voters to put their ballots in a box that results in mixing counted and uncounted ballots, therefore disenfranchising legit voters? If this is true then the entire population should be immediately made aware that any actions outside specific stated rules are fair game.
At that point we have a contest of who can cheat the best. 240 years and this has never been resolved? It also means ballot harvesting is legal unless states have law restricting. In the past it was always assumed it was illegal unless state law allowed otherwise. Very confusing.
We obviously need to hire a professional crook for RNC chairman. Give me every states regs and I think even I can figure a way around them. What ever hsppenef to one person one vote.
I continue to think of anyone’s vote is disenfranchised, that is illegal under federal law.
From Wikipedia’s entry for the Equal Protection Clause:
“While the Equal Protection Clause itself applies only to state and local governments, the Supreme Court held in Bolling v. Sharpe (1954) that the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment nonetheless imposes various equal protection requirements on the federal government via reverse incorporation.”
I’m guessing that this was the basis of the 2020 Texas lawsuit — joined by 20 other states — that the SCOTUS refused to hear challenging the elections in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
Where is the Equal Protection of voters in non-stolen states disenfranchised by the Unconstitutional Voting Rules by non-State Legislators implemented in states plagued by massive election fraud that resulted in a stolen election?
There was an election in North Carolina that was redone in 2018 but again to the benefit of the democrat.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/02/north-carolina-9th-fraud-board-orders-new-election/583369/
Any lessons to be learned from this or is justice only one way?
This is why I will never vote again. After Trump, when Kari lost it is the end for me. She won, Trump won, America lost. I was devastated when both lost because I knew it was corrupted
Me too. Also not going to pay attention to the filth anymore. They try to put me on a cattle car they’ll have to kill me. I’m keeping my head down and keep moving further back into the woods.
I don’t know what stage of grief I’m in but I can’t care anymore. The America I grew up in and loved does not exist. I kicked the flag in the garbage.
Isaiah 41
10 Fear not, for I am with you,
be not dismayed, for I am your God;
I will strengthen you, I will help you,
I will uphold you with my victorious right hand.
11 Behold, all who are incensed against you
shall be put to shame and confounded;
those who strive against you
shall be as nothing and shall perish.
12 You shall seek those who contend with you,
but you shall not find them;
those who war against you
shall be as nothing at all.
13 For I, the Lord your God,
hold your right hand;
it is I who say to you, “Fear not,
I will help you.”
Amen!
This was why I volunteered to become a Poll Worker; better to have MAGA folk on the ground if there is any opportunity to ensure free, and fair elections than sitting at home getting mad. Time to overwhelm our county and state election offices with volunteer (and if possible paid) positions early, now, before the next election candidates even think about wanting to run for office or get an initiative on the ballot.
“Additionally, due to the private nature of the corporations that run candidates, notably the RNC and DNC, there is also no prohibition to stop the RNC or DNC from disapproving candidates unless they also were discriminating based on a protected category. Not coincidentally, political parties are not recognized in the U.S. constitution.”
Aren’t both parties, i.e. private clubs, at this point colluding with the Federal government to deny independent reporting to the Citizen voter?
If RNC and DNC are independent corporations, how can they be involved in elections at all, state or federal? Why do the states run and pay for primaries?
I think Trump is saying rules, regulations and articles are negated because of fraud. When labor and management, say, come to a deal and fraud is discovered the deal is negated because of the fraud. The election fraud negates the government.
so, our old Constitution allowed election fraud because our old Constitution was made for only a moral people. Moral people do not and would not defraud. There is no way our old constitution can be valid in today’s immoral america.
A republic, if you can keep it: B. Franklin
No. The Constitution deferred to states. States have laws so there are 50 different sets of laws.
so, states that defraud their residents negate their state constitutions. if five states defraud their residents’ true votes with fraudulent ballots, and 25 states complete an honest election and therefore have a valid government can the federals have a say? Like Texas tried to get the supreme court to throw out the 2020 election.
Dostoyevsky wrote that if God is dead (as Nietzsche popularized) then all things are permissible.
We’re experiencing the poison fruit of Nietzsche’s lie, that God is dead. Mankind is losing his fear of God and erecting false gods in place of our creator; most people have chosen themselves as their god.
In fact, our very societal moral bankruptcy/degeneracy is God’s judgment on us. He gives us up to the filth we make for ourselves.
Romans 1:18) “Indeed, God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all the ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who try to suppress the truth by unrighteousness. 19) This happens because what can be known about God is evident among them, because God made it evident among them.
20) In fact, his invisible attributes — his eternal power and divine nature — have been clearly seen since the creation of the world because they are understood from the things he made. As a result, people are without excuse, 21) because, even though they knew God, they did not honor him or give him thanks as God. Instead, their thinking became nonsense (futile), and their foolish heart was darkened.
22) Although they claim to be wise, they have become fools 23) and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal humans, or like birds, four-footed animals, and crawling things. 24) So, as they followed the sinful desires of their hearts, God handed them over to the impurity of degrading their own bodies among themselves. 25) Such people have traded the truth about God for the lie . . . ” EHV
Our nation’s people have no respect nor reverence for our Constitution because we have long ago — as a people — decided to elevate our opinions above God’s Word. This is a dangerous place to be — in the eternal sense — and each of us will be held to account. And it is certainly a dangerous place to be in the matter of our Constitutional Republic and the Rule of Law.
harriet, God was going to entirely destroy Sodom/Gommorah but was persuaded to save Lot. My hope is He will look closely and spare some of us too.
I agree with the pastor who recently said something like “if God doesn’t come soon apologies are due to Sodom/Gomorah.”
harriet, these people who are gods to themselves and fraudulently acquire lives for which they are unqualified. say someone has a hold on a university and professors and is able to gain fraudulent entry to medical school and becomes a brain surgeon by fraud on all levels. she then procedes to kill multiple patients because she has no idea how to do brain surgury. she is allowed to continue killing people because her dad is POTUS and she cannot be touched. she feels very good about herself, goes to all the right parties, is praised far and wide. she has no conscience and does not care how many she kills.
Genius!
Doesn’t the US Constitution guarantee a republican form of government for each state?
Can you have a Republican form of government without free and fair elections?
I think not. Election fraud is a crime, if not treasonous.
Interesting, the 14th Amendment would say they abridged my immunity to a totalitarian government
I will never vote again. It is corrupt and the GOP and Dems will decide who will win or lose. Kari Lake and Trump won.
The courts will not intervene on elections. Period. It’s a waste of time . It’s the definition of insanity to keep filing the same suits and whining. If Republicans ever want to win again they will need to organize and execute early voting and ballot harvesting efforts as well as the Democrats do. Fight fire with fire. Offset their advantage. Or continue to lose. It’s taht simple.
That sounds nice, but the Uniparty has who knows how many other fraudulent ways to determine the outcomes. They will still be 10 steps ahead of us even if we play their ballot harvesting game.
Do banana republics have better elections now?
1) “Article 4, Section 4”
2) “consent of the governed”
the (Federal) United States Constitution specifically assigns the State Legislatures the sole power to determine how elections are conducted and electors chosen. Notably, not one mention of any State-level Executive Branch (all appointments) or Judiciary. As we all know, State-level election officials and Courts have usurped the Federal Constitutional powers of the State Legislatures (*THIS IS WHY! Gore was NEVER going to win Florida in 2000*)
So… ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
They have abridged my immunity to election fraud, illegal by the 14th amendment
Mr Trump was simply asking questions. Should he be installed as president, or should there be another election. He got carried away talking about ignoring the Constitution.
Nothing can be done about the 2020 election, nor the 2022 midterms.
Elections in the large population centers present a moral hazard. Democrats will keep cheating until state legislatures stop them.
Vote counting should be turned over to out of state auditing firms.
This will look like a reach but I contend it’s very real. Rigging and stealing elections is not a Christian thing to do and I as a Christian, a Catholic to be exact, will *not* agree to do that. Is a moral and religious issue to me.
Do “protected classes” include religion???
Thank you SD for the important clarification/ distinction. It’s certain that Lake’s only recourse is within Arizona.
That’s why the Kari Lake campaign will assert their election contest; which can’t proceed until AFTER certification.
The downside is the Arizona district and supreme courts are staffed with leftist, or worse, McStain gopE type judges so her righteous quest is likely to fail.
I’m paraphrasing the great Robert Barnes from tonight’s viva/Barnes law live stream.
Goldwater’s legacy of liberty vs the California exodus of fools and the native collectivist. What a shame.
The issue of whether an election is certified or not, is a political—-<not> a judicable issue, unless a state law was violated or a federal law in a federal election.
To be judicable, a court first determines if there is an issue which can be addressed by a law or an interpretation of a law. Courts are not to determine political issues; that is reserved to the States or to the people.
I guess there are more gifted writers than I, but the bottom line is whether a conflict has a solution at law or not.
Cowboy Up….or bring your case with citations.
Ok, so I’ve perused the comments, so lets ask ourselves a simple question: who is preventing reform or reconstitution of state voting laws?
If you said Democrats, you would be half wrong. BOTH parties are complicit in preventing the repair and streamlining of our corrupt and antiquated voting laws and systems.
Cui bono?
It ain’t the voters.
Two wings, one bird.
One party.
To vote in the elections in VA you need to provide name of employment (I wanted a ballot for living out of the country). I wouldn’t provide name of employment and didn’t vote in the mid term elections.
When did that become law? When I lived (and voted) in Virginia I did not have to provide name of employer or any employment information. Are you talking only of absentee ballot? Those did have specific proof of why an absentee ballot was being requested, so that would make sense, as in Virginia, one did need to have a very good reason for voting by absentee ballot.
To request an absentee ballot
I could have gotten a federal ballot without providing the name of an employer. To get a state ballot I needed to provide it. I was disgusted with that requirement seeing as all the years I lived in VA I never needed to provide it…
This is a rare instance wherein I may disagree with Sundance. Article IV, Sec. 4 of the US Constitution mandates that the federal government guarantee a republican form of government to the States. While it is true that the Supremes do not often go anywhere near this provision because, of its nature, it bespeaks political questions that they ordinarily defer to the other two branches, corruption of the very method by which we decide how and, more importantly, through whom we will govern ourselves directly implicates this guarantee.
I agree with Justice Thomas that our constitution should be interpreted with an eye to the principles of the Declaration of Independence and one of those principles — I would argue the most important– is government solely through the “consent of the people.” As President Lincoln stated at Gettysburg, we are a government “of the people, by the people, and for the people.” Self-government is the very essence of a republican form of government, and the manner by which we consent to be governed, and by whom, should be as immune from corruption as constitutionally possible.
It is definitely true that the federal constitution leaves to the state legislatures the prescription of the manner by which we consent through their enactment of electoral processes, including through their provision of methods by which we may remedy any corruption of the processes so enacted. Nevertheless, the overarching mandate, the guarantee that can only be effectuated by the federal government, including its judicial branch, is an electoral process that reasonably assures the consent of the people is both discerned and effectuated, again, as to both the manner and through whom they will be represented and governed.
Accordingly, I disagree with Sundance on the legal niceties, while acknowledging that the likelihood the Supremes will ever do anything about this clear corruption is pretty slim. This is the context in which we should consider President Trump’s suggestion that, if the Constitution permits this type of corruption, it should be suspended. The Constitution does not permit this type of corruption; indeed, it guarantees against this type of corruption. And Article IV, Sec. 4 treats the denial of a republican form of government as an evil equal to invasion, which the federal government also guarantees against.
There is a constitutional remedy. It merely takes a commitment from those who take their oaths seriously to look hard at the evidence presented and determine whether the guarantee has been breached. I would argue that, when the federal government willfully interferes in the constitutional election process for selecting a president who will govern the people for the next four years by preventing the people themselves from exercising “informed” consent with their vote, that is a breach of the guarantee and the remedy should be commensurate with the defense of the States from invasion.
Oh, by the way, President Lincoln “suspended” the right to habeas corpus in Maryland as a result of the Baltimore riots, I believe for the duration of the Civil War. Although he no doubt was not thinking of this precedent when urging suspension of the Constitution, President Trump is on much firmer ground than most of his supposed betters in the media or either party (BIRM).
The way I read it is he was just pointing out that the left has tried to terminate the free speech part of the Constitution (Ref: Twitter & Facebook censorship) regarding elections. His phraseology was imperfect, however, Sundance’s interpretation (election laws left to states) really is spot on. President Trump loves America and interpreting his statement as a malevolent call is just wrong (but expected by the leftist MSM, RINOS, Never-Trumpers and Demo-commies).
And where is OUR military removing the ILLEGAL person occupying the whitehouse like brazil. We now know 2020 WITHOUT A DOUBT WAS STOLEN.
REMOVE THE IMPOSTER
N O W!
While it is true that, except for protected classes, the States set the rules for elections within their borders, I think there are Constitutional grounds for the US Supreme Court to intervene on the question of election practices. It is certainly arguable that ‘early voting’, ‘motor voting’, ‘mail-in ballots’, ‘ballot harvesting’, and similar practices violate the principle of ‘one-man, one vote’, by making it impossible to assign a single vote to a single real person. The Constitution does not use that phrase, but the Court has used it in decisions in the past (regarding redistricting disputes).
Balloting versus voting procedures, like those mentioned, also dissolve the element of secrecy that is essential to voting, and also make it difficult to determine legitimacy (individual identity, citizenship, residence, etc.), all of which undermine the Constitutional principle that the Vote in a Representative Republic is sacrosanct.
I think it is likely that the current Court would rule against States that allow or even legalize such anti-democratic practices, on the grounds that they make true Representation impossible, and are thus unconstitutional. Perhaps the Court might also mandate strict voting procedures (one-day, paper ballots, IDs, etc.).
What we need is for someone to bring the right case. Perhaps the America-First Legal Foundation can be enlisted. Anyone here have a contact?
Sundance, your analysis is 100% incorrect, born in ignorance of 18 U.S. Code § 241 – Conspiracy against rights: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241
It is inarguable that the Constitution expressly asserts and protects the RIGHT of CITIZENS to VOTE: “The right of Citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied.”
Any denial of a citizen’s vote, where by force, fraud, chicanery, equipment issues, or nullification is, ipso facto, a CONSPIRACY AGAINST RIGHTS, af federal felony.:
You are arguing a different point.
Yes, the constitution guarantees you the right to vote. However, it is in the counting of that vote that no constitutional protection exists.
Yes, you have the right to vote. But no, you do not have the right -at least in the eyes of the federal courts- to have that vote counted. The latter is up to the states.
I disagree, Sundance. I think the counting of legal votes vs the right to cast a legal vote is a manufactured distinction not specified in the language of the Constitution. At the most basic level, a vote legally cast that is not counted is not a vote, and the voter’s right to vote has, therefore, been denied. On the opposite side of the coin, votes that are illegal but counted abridges the rights of all of the legal voters to elect representatives of their choosing. The distinction is in the laws that define legal votes/voters vs illegal votes/voters.
The question becomes where is all of the language in the Constitution itself that defines legal vs illegal voters. Not being a Constitutional scholar, I cannot speak to if or where all such language exists. In my lay person understanding, I do think that the way ballots are cast (e.g. ballot harvesting) is something defined by State constitutions and/or state legislatures, not the U.S. Constitution.
Then I have to wonder if states that exclude voting methods that are subject to widespread fraud can refuse to submit to, in essence, being ruled by decisions enacted by representatives elected by such widespread fraud in other states unless the absence of fraud can be proven. In other words, if the State of Texas questions fraud in another state, where is it disallowed from doing so and wouldn’t it be the most basic obligation of SCOTUS to adjudicate that dispute?
sorry
Pondering thesis here ‘no right to be counted.’ Not sure:
If my tracker # on my mail in ballot does not show up on counted vote rolls…that’s a free speech violation by gov curtailing speech in failure to count.