President Donald Trump came under massive amounts of fire recently for saying, “So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”
What President Trump is noting, is the exact same reason why Kari Lake’s lawsuit, like every other election lawsuit before it, will fail. Our U.S. Constitution permits election fraud and manipulation, as long as that state level election fraud and manipulation does not break federal law. {Direct Rumble Link} – WATCH:
Obviously, it would be frustrating for President Trump to ask legal advisors what can be done about certified results from fraudulently constructed elections. The reply from the legal advisors around the state certification would frustrate anybody, because the constitution permits fraudulent elections. The decision on how to conduct elections is entirely up to the states.
The states, via state legislature, determine their election rules, laws and outcomes that eventually lead to state certification. If a state wants to block voters, impede voters, or manipulate the voting outcome, there is generally nothing in federal law to stop them – as long as the state or county does not break federal laws protecting classes or protected categories of persons.
Federal law generally prohibits disenfranchisement of people based on race, age, national origin, sex, marital status, disability, pregnancy, gender, sexual orientation and disability, along with other categories.
Federal law does not prohibit disenfranchisement based on ideology, political affiliation or outlook. If a state or local election system wants to block voters based on affiliation or ideology, they can…. as long as it doesn’t have a disparate impact on the protected category.
If a state legislature wanted to assign 1/2 value to each Republican vote, there is nothing in the constitution that would prohibit that rule.
If a state election outcome results in the loss of 50% of the republican votes in the local or state election, there is nothing in the federal law that would correct the issue. The state is responsible for certifying the results.
The supreme court will not hear an election controversy issue or legal challenge based on certified results from states. The constitution permits states to conduct their own elections, and as long as federal laws are not violated, the state certification ends the discussion. This is the great dichotomy within U.S. election around election manipulation by a state or local election officials. There is no federal recourse if no federally protected category was adversely impacted.
The DNC argues election disenfranchisement, rules, dates, times, locations, etc based entirely on protected federal categories, ie. the date or method of the election has an adverse impact to a specifically protected category of racial minorities. This is the typical DNC lawsuit.
EX. the RNC or DNC candidates have no legal footing to sue in federal court if everyone wearing a green shirt was turned away from county polling locations; unless they can prove that a green shirt was worn by a higher percentage of a protected category of persons (i.e., disparate impact).
Additionally, due to the private nature of the corporations that run candidates, notably the RNC and DNC, there is also no prohibition to stop the RNC or DNC from disapproving candidates unless they also were discriminating based on a protected category. Not coincidentally, political parties are not recognized in the U.S. constitution.
This election reality is why control over state level elections is where the battle has to be fought. Once a state certifies the election outcome, there is almost no way the federal courts can/will intervene unless the lawsuit is based on a claim that federally protected voters were specifically targeted.
If the judicial system is infiltrated…including the Supreme Court…no lawsuit will ever have standing and we are wasting our time with it! We do not have an election system that can be trusted, we can not elect our way back to the Republic because they own the system and control it. The system is broken, has been stolen and needs to be dismantled! And that goes with the entire government apparatus including and maybe even more importantly…..the 3 letter agencies!
Amendment XIV
…No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Wasn’t how Bush v. Gore was decided?
I don’t get it.
Isn’t there a “Right to Vote”, either explicit or in some wisp of an aroma emanating from a penumbra in the Constitution? That was good enough for the Supremes to void every state attempt to prevent killing unborn babies.
So the States’ mandated right to designate the time, place and manner of elections does not come with any associated responsibilities under the Constitution to ensure fairness, legality or access in elections to all individual citizens?
What about the explicit power granted only to the state legislations to set, alter or amend the election laws at the state level? That power is not designated to the governor, secretary of state, election boards, state health officials, state Supreme Courts or judges, yet in every swing state that’s exactly what happened, and all in favor of Democrats even where the legislations were controlled by Republicans.
The fed SCOTUS, with a strong dissent, and Republican nominated turncoats, would not touch those clear Constirutional violations. Will they also decide to take a cowardly pass now that the #loleightyonemillion administration has been proven to be actively involved in partnering with Big Tech, who monopolize the dissemination of information, to successfully suppress the 1st Amendment rights of every citizen who disagrees with it in favor of one party/ideology and unconstitutionally interfere in federal elections?
Probably.
Not exactly: “the electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislature.” and “Each House shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members”
As far as Presidential electors, we did of course have the exact question in 1876. At that time the Supreme Court played no role as a court, but a tribunal was set up persuant to act of congress to hear and evaluate evidence. Also, being black and attempting to vote then would get you shot in the south as the north had tired of reconstruction by 1876 and even though Pres Grant had tried to keep the army in place there wasn’t any will to use it.
The premise of this entire post was that the US Supremes couldn’t touch the state decisions about electors and their certication of election results. I ignored those contentions to concentrate on the more basic underlying issues of the Constitutional rights of all legal citizens of the US, ang protecting those rights are certainly one of the most basic responsiblities of SCOTUS.
The same is true for protecting the rights and duties of state legislators to regulate elections but if they violate the rights of individual citizens in their decisions, which should be given priority?
The poster explicity stated that SCOTUS would not, even cannot, intervene in the states’ decisions in regulating those elections, and went on to cite some absurd examples such as the legislators declaring that each Republican vote would only count as one half a Democrat vote then the SCOTUS couldn’t touch it.
Really?
SCOTUS takes cases all the time concerning the rights of a single citizen,irrespective of their preferential group victim status, being violated by a state action.
The rights granted to each citizen by the Constitution are only a minimum. States may change those rights but only by making them more expansive, not limiting below the federal definition of that right.
IANAL, but it would seem to me logical that depriving anyone of the anything less than the full value of their vote would be patently unconstitutional.
Of course, I also recognize that logic, the law and the Constitution, at least after a century of being butchered by the left, may not even have a passing acquantance.
Seriously? THIS is the reason Americans must live with false election results past, present and future? Seriously.
No, we live with the ‘false election results’ because the general public hasn’t realized yet it’s irreversible at this point. Those telling you ‘if you just get out and vote’ are either ignorant or complicit in the manufacture/injection of votes by criminals.
Yes, we all have to vote but ultimately, if someone doesn’t give the ‘go’ command for a physical/kinetic take back of our country, it’s over.
Love to be wrong but in many states, ‘they’ are completely outnumbered but can’t be beaten because they own the voting systems, the lawyers and the courts.
Much to the dislike of all the diehard Democrat/RINO/deep state trolls and parasites that constantly disseminate and defend the liberal playbook pablum, I’ve stated numerous times that the states have the Constitutional power to decertify elections and likewise Electoral College votes thereby nullifying the results of an election if the states determine that laws passed by their respective legislatures governing the election conduct and process in their state were violated. The rush to swear in a supposedly victorious election candidate while purposefully making every effort to suppress/negate evidence of election fraud does not make criminal behavior automatically disappear or date stamp an end to that event or consequences. Note that the principles intertwined into the Constitution by the Founding Fathers would not condone or tolerate the installation of an elected official who participated in or had knowledge of criminal behavior used to achieve that position.
This is all true; the trick is finding lawyers willing to push for the State actors to be held accountable – and finding judges within the very same group of State actors willing to hold the hearing and make a judgment is also part of the trick of making the parties to be held accountable for their actions/inactions while also overturning the fraudulently ‘certified’ election results.
That seems to be where we are at, as a nation, at the mercy of the individual State actors. Seems by the time enough lawyers and people willing to force the State’s to own up to their responsibilities the overthrow of individual and State rights and authorities by a fastly and vastly encroaching totalitarian federal government will have been put in place, so time, willingness and finances are the tools that need to be put into place pretty quick to stop the seemingly inevitable beast from getting any bigger.
Sadly, we are faced with tick-tock talking head lawyers that do nothing because they are part of the problem while those who are willing, ready and able to bring the fight forward are sidelined, ridiculed and impoverished with lawfare tactics. What is the solution? We would all love to be part of that, we just need to know where the starting line is, and whom will take the lead without resorting to violence, because that course will not win this battle.
https://roserambles.org/2022/11/30/a-breach-of-national-security-supreme-court-case-loy-and-raland-brunson-nov-30-2022/ – This is a long shot, but miracles do happen.
I’ve been saying this and more. The REAL way government and elections work is from the bottom up, not the top-down.
The Democrats have established SOME top-down controls but they are primarily based on identity politics which all need to disappear as they are no longer functional or valid.
If you live in Arizona, you need to be active. If you live in a state where this happens (Georgia, for example) you can’t just sit there moping around.
And do what?
Start a new election using paper ballots, voter ID, and one election day. Use churches for polling places. The constitution gives us “the people” the right to do this. It just takes time, money, and someone/people to organize it.
are you kidding me, since the election that was stolen from our great president DOnald J. Trump NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE to make sure this did not happen again. The Demrats have plans 1-101 ready to go, what do the Republicans have? ZILCH/. that would take time away from their blogging.
voters need to give SIGNED AFFIDAVITS of WHO THEY VOTED FOR to a group of CPA’S.
If these counts differ from election counts, FRAUD HAS OCCURRED.
Start by being poll workers, ballot harvesters, ballot curers, employees of the agencies that run elections in the towns, counties, states – that’s what the communists did while others became school teachers to ensure indoctrination of the next generations.
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This is only way to take our elections back Get in involved the elections process on a local level with the end goal of taking back the elections from beauracratic election boards They are unnecessary and their lack of transparency is where the steal happens. Assume it happens most places
It will take time, but we have have to start NOW taking back our Constitutional government
start by cleaning the voter registration rolls. In Wisconsin,IIRC it was True The Vote that bought a copy of the registration rolls after the election,used fractal programs to find the ones most likely to be questionable,then sent out canvassers to verify addresses. They found 700,000 invalid registrations,100K of which had birthdates of 01-01-1900,making those 100K “voters” over 120 years old. there is not a SINGLE American citizen that’s 120 yrs old. Most of the 700K had PO boxes,business addresses,addresses that did not exist,etc. All INVALID.
Biden “won” WI by only 40K votes.
Cleaning the registration rolls greatly reduces the number of bogus ballots they can “find” and slip into the counting,without it being detected.
“Re: Supreme court case 22-380 Brunson VS. Adams. It alleges that the 2020 election was rigged and it lists the defendants, 94 U.S. State Senators and 129 members of the House of representatives, Joesph R. Biden and Kamala Harris as well as former Vice President Mike Pence, in a conspiracy to defraud the United States and Mr. Brunson, by rigging or allowing to be rigged the 2020 election process. It calls for amongst other things the removal of 94 Senators, President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris as well as over 100 members of the House of Representatives for being part of the conspiracy to rig the 2020 elections and overthrow the duly elected leader of the United States.
Questions presented in the brief are:
A serious conflict exists between decisions rendered from this Court and lower appeal courts, along with constitutional provisions and statutes, in deciding whether or not the trial court has jurisdiction to try the merits of this case. This case uncovers a serious national security breach that is unique and is of first impression, and due to the serious nature of this case it involves the possible removal of a sitting President and Vice President of the United States along with members of the United States Congress, while deeming them unfit from ever holding office under Federal, State, County or local Governments found within the United States of America, and at the same time the trial court also has the authority, to be validated by this Court, to authorize the swearing in of the legal and rightful heirs for President and Vice President of the United States. In addition there are two doctrines that conflict with each other found in this case affecting every court in this country. These doctrines are known as the doctrine of equitable maxim and the doctrine of the object principle of justice. Equitable maxim created by this court, which the lower court used to dismiss this case, sets in direct violation of the object principle of justice also partially created by this Court and supported by other appeal courts and constitutional provisions. These conflicts call for the supervisory power of this Court to resolve these conflicts, which has not, but should be, settled by this Court without delay.” https://roserambles.org/2022/11/30/a-breach-of-national-security-supreme-court-case-loy-and-raland-brunson-nov-30-2022/
Most recent update I can find has the Government switching lawyers for the defense and claiming the govs right not to respond to the complaint, the court can still hear it if they choose, but the ice looks thin.
Gov’t knows cert will be denied, so didn’t want to bother responding.
On SCOTUS docket for conference January 6
He got shot down for lack of standing. I get he’s angry and put a lot of effort into his complaint, but it’s a waste of time.
http://ralandbrunson.com/History/History.html
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-380/243739/20221027152243533_20221027-152110-95757954-00007015.pdf
The election has to be audited by Humans. Immediately after the election the volunteers need to separate the ballots for the first race and place in stack, verify the stack, count the ballots, weigh the ballots in the stack. They need to do this for each race. Document the results and publish the results with copy sent to the Sec. of State. The Sec. of State (with public pressure) would do the right thing, if the voting machine in that local location was found to be flawed.
Assume all electronic equipment is hackable at any point in time
Electronics have to go
it does no good to recount the ballots,when the DemocRATs have slipped in 1000s of bogus ballots. A scheme of theirs was revealed at Gateway Pundit,where someone in the election office changes the Zip codes for requested absentee ballots,the ballots get mailed out,and then the worker switches the Zip codes back to the correct one. But the ABs mailed out are undeliverable,so they’re binned by the USPS and returned to sender. Bingo,the DemocRATs have a bunch of votable absentee ballots. When people don’t get their ABs,they just send out replacements. Once the ballots are separated from the envelopes,they get mixed in with valid ballots and are undetectable. Also,The ballot signatures/dates are never verified.
DemocRATs have developed many ways of getting bogus ballots into the counting sites. Most don’t have proper documentation or chain-of-custody.
I disagree that there were NOT avenues to redress election illegalities for the 2018 and 2020 elections.
There are a couple of key points is missing here. Specifically:
The Courts (local through Federal) are the ones that interpret if a legal case before them actually contains a violation of Constitutional “rights based” based laws. That is the key to the Courts being able to dismiss or allow “rights based” legal actions. A corrupt Judiciary is required.
Then there is the VERY NECESSARY recent passage of the Voting Rights Act (Law) by the Senate. There WERE legal means for the Federal GOVERNMENT to redress election illegalities OUTSIDE the courts until this ACT was passed. Read the key points of this Act as it CLOSES ALL the avenues open to stop a fraudulent election at the Federal Level. The bottom line of this Act is that Congress currently abdicates ALL of its Constitutional Responsibilities, related to Federal Elections, to the States. Specifically:
*Undoes the Presidential Election Act of 1845 and 17th Amendment to the US Constitution which actually FIXED Federal Election dates. The States are free to declare when an election (at any level) is over (time wise). This was a major issue and one NOT argued (by ANYBODY) in cases involving the 2018 and 2020 Elections, where any votes not dated on or even before (to be generous) election day were ILLEGAL.
*Undoes the responsibility of the Congress and EXECUTIVE Branches to properly certify Federal Election Results as well as handle any discrepancies or challenges during the post election date Joint Session of Congress lead by the VP of the US. The Joint Session certification vote just becomes a rubber stamp exercise.
*Also buried in this Act is likely a path for States to define who gets to vote in all levels of elections.
There was real panic in the swamp up to the 1/6 January Protest and Joint Session Congressional Vote on the evening of 6 January 2021. Both avenues I list above were available. One can only imagine the threats and level of threats issued to stop use of those means to redress the election results.
I don’t understand your point that mentions that the Voting Rights Act undoes the 17th Amendment. Can you explain?
So is this actionable? And more specifically, is it viable in court currently?
“A Supreme Court case has surfaced and as of last Friday, has been added to the court’s emergency docket.
The Constitution designates State Legislatures with Federal election oversight. If a Governor, SoS, or State Supreme Court changes the rules, why is that not a violation of the Constitution? Or the law?Why or how, is no Federal law being broken?
The SCOTUS should have taken up the Texas case from a couple years back. They didn’t and failed the nation.
The Supreme court is now and back then compromised. Except for a few who go by the law the rest do not.
It just so happens oral arguments for Moore v. Harper over the “independent state legislature” theory will be heard this Wednesday. Prior, in a concurring opinion in Bush v. Gore Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas suggested in the affirmative.
This article is completely wrong— the Constitution does not allow you to assign half vote to the Republicans or allow fraud –this is completely ridiculous this article. 14th amendment absolutely confers equal protection against this kind of nonsense. A representative Republic is supposed to represent all members of the population equally this is inherent and implicit in the Constitution. Every fraudulent vote / made up vote undermines one man one vote and disenfranchises legal valid votes.
Also, there is the general requirement in the US Constitution that State Constitutions have to be consistent with the US Constitution.
Anne,
Sundance was saying IF a state did that the Constitution does not stop the state election rules.
Sundance is WRONG, that is the point of mentioning the US Constitution and Amendments related to rights and elections.
…or… at best stopped he short of pointing out that a corrupt Judiciary is needed to stop “rights based arguments” and he failed to point out that the recently passed Voting Rights Act actually amended the US Constitution ILLEGALLY, with respect to Federal Elections.
The US Constitution does not prohibit this but no state has authorized this. States violated the US Constitution by violating state law.
“…nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Market forces would eventually solve the problem of states over reaching. If a state assigned half votes for all republican votes, 2 things may happen. The political parties only getting half votes would change every election to avoid the rules, or most republicans would move out of the state. If the moving occurred, money, talent, and resources go with, causing entire states to decline in population limiting their federal power and turning that state into a backwater you’ve never seen before.
The left knows this so they only go so far as to win without causing a market meltdown.
The article states that ideology is not a protected class, nor are political parties
I do think that giving any voter a half voice is a 1st amendment violation
Fourteenth Amendment
Fourteenth Amendment Explained
Section 1All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
We let this message get twisted by accepting the false language of the left.
All along they have talked about the “coup attempt” by those who gathered in a heartfelt effort to Stop the Steal.
But as we all know the REAL coup was successful, which is why Biden is sitting in his stolen office now. When anyone speaks to you about a coup, stop every time and remind them that we are suffering under the result of the real coup. Those who gathered to Stop the Steal were unsuccessful in foiling their coup, to all of our detriment.
The Alinsky rule of accusing us of what they are doing needs to end.
What about the large number of protected categories ‘within’ the ideological or political affiliation, R and D. Would they not be protected under federal law?
Among President Trump’s 74 million plus legitimate voters disenfranchised by the states of Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, and Wisconsin were Blacks, Hispanics and Women who turned out in larger numbers for the Republican President, much more so than they had in 60 years. How about them? For example:
Fulton County Georgia has a very large Black population—44.7% and a large White population 44.9%
In the early morning of November 3, 2020, Georgia election workers in Fulton County, who appeared to be of one race—Black—maneuvered a long table draped in black into position on the counting floor. Concealed beneath the table were suitcases containing thousands of ballots. Many hours later those ballots were removed from under the table then stuffed through the tabulating machines by a handful of workers who remained after everyone else was sent home under the ruse of a water main break.
Was this fraud? If it was a very large number of a protected class—Blacks, Women, and Hispanics were disenfranchised under a MAGA or Republican affiliation. And, Are Whites a protected class under these circumstances?
Fraud vitiates everything.
The hidden ballots were put through the tabulators many many times. The video at the Fulton County voting place shows them doing it. It is estimated there may have been as much as 18,000 VOTES illegally obtained by Ruby Freeman and her daughter Shae (sp?) and others who did that crime.
To be very clear…Congress, with the passage of the recent Voting Rights Act, has illegally AMENDED the US Constitution, with respect to Federal Elections.
Then there is a the real discussion needed on the corruption of the Judicial System that is charged with interpreting when basic liberties have or have not been abridged.
Kindly provide the P.L. number or Statutes at Large citation for this law.
Trump is right, again.
There is no law against election cheating.
People will have to act extra-constitutionally, just like the colonists.
If you win an event by cheating you are the winner.
If you loose an event by not cheating the you are a sore looser.
As the liberal say to the conservatives to make themselves feel really good.
Wining isn’t everything but keep your head up and keep trying.
Any Government based on Election Fraud will not last.
It seems to be lasting long enough to make us all very angry!
We the people have ignorantly allowed ourselves to fall short on the how to’s of the Constitution. We have fallen prey to the propaganda. State officials have become fat in their local domains, no matter how small and/or endowed. It is obvious that we have not been participating in the governance of our Constitutional Republic. It has been said “if we can keep it”. We may have the government we deserve…not because we elected it, but because we simply did not participate. Most people under the age of 60 don’t know much about the Constitution. We have become too busy, and finally we have allowed our liberties to be smothered by rules and policies that are in direct conflict with the Constitution. We have been tolerate of such things…the issues with our children/education, did not start in 20216…it has been a goal of the left for 100 yrs. We demand nothing, we get nothing. This behavior has allowed the bad guys to flourish while we pretend to be involved. There is obviously more to “voting” than voting. Who are the school members in our district? What are their views about current events? What is the preacher preaching…how much tolerance is there coming from the pulpit? Look, God does not want us to be tolerate of evil and bad stuff. He does not want us to lay down and be walked over. Our false pious self righteous behavior has put distance between God and ourselves. Habakkuk 1:13 Your eyes are too pure to approve evil, And You can not look on wickedness with favor.
Apparently, we need to be paying attention to the local “representatives”, in all areas of governance. Can’t try to be a passive citizen any longer. This is the point: This election reality is why control over state level elections is where the battle has to be fought. Once a state certifies the election outcome, there is almost no way the federal courts can/will intervene unless the lawsuit is based on a claim that federally protected voters were specifically targeted.
The power of State Level Government to influence Federal Level Elections is the point behind the “Local Federalism” concept put forth by Sundance months ago.
With the illegal passage of the Voting Act by the Senate, Local Federalism takes on an even more important meaning. At this point in time it is becoming …or to some has become, the remaining via route short of violence, to reclaim the Federal Government by the voters.
Interestingly, there is actually an excellent chance for success by 2nd, 3rd and 4th party candidates at local and State Levels … being a very good reason now for alternate parties to form beyond the GOP, Democrat and Libertarian Parties.
Section 4 of Article IV of the Constitution provides that the “United States shall guarantee to every State … a Republican Form of Government….” (Obviously that refers to “republican” with a small “r” in modern typographical style.) Does such republican government entail some degree of honesty in elections? Or does it merely mean that voters must elect the representatives who govern them, however corrupt the process?
Hmmm 🤔 what to do? There’s no recourse? A similar situation has never occurred in human history?
No wait, it has occurred repeatedly throughout mankind’s existence and the remedy was always similar to 1776.
Thank you Sundance, I didn’t understand this until now, after reading your article.
So, no legal recourse? What is left? It seems that the choice is passive acceptance of putrid, vomiting corruption or armed conflict.
There are intermediate steps; their effectiveness depends on citizen’s willingness to tolerate suffering in themselves and others. It takes less hardening of the soul than killing but more than peaceful coexistence and mutual respect and care.
I’ve long maintained that everything wrong with this Republic has a lawyer genitals deep in it. The corrupt and profiteering legal system is at the base of the disease which has infected it. We are the cure.
Secession, or a Convention of States, seem to be the only non-violent alternatives.
So, the SCOTUS opinion on the definition of election fraud will be, “They will know it when they see it”?
But they saw it … and pretended they didn’t.
5th graders, given one month, could plan an election process which would be fairer, more efficient, less costly and more timely than the current one we spend millions of dollars on.
That’s how you know it’s all b@llshit.
Secession is the only way out at this point.
It’s sad that it’s come to this but I don’t really see any other option… The only way to get out from under the MASSIVE corruption is for the States to simply leave the “union.”
If the problem is how states conduct elections, please explain how secession fixes that.
Those States where elections are still viable will not have to suffer the consequences of election outcomes from those States where elections are not viable. This has become a matter of those States that can save themselves need to do so ASAP.
The seceding States form an alliance that only allows member States whose election system is legitimate. The Red States will be in this alliance (call it the Real United States, for instance), and the Blue states will not. One or the other group of States will become larger and more desired for its inhabitants.
Those States where sanity and integrity still prevail need to remove themselves from a union that has been hopelessly corrupted.
#NationalDivorce
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Article 4, Section 4The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,
A stolen election is not a Republican Form of Government, but the opposite. I disagree strongly with Sundance. I’ve heard these arguments before. I’ve never heard anyone point out the simplicity of Article 4 section 4, that stolen elections are not allowed, because it’s not a Republican Form of Government.
It is clearly written in the constitution. It’s that simply.
Sundance. Please review your opinion, it is flawed.
If an election is badly compromised, then it is not really an election, but more like a selection.
There is only one viable option at this point.
#NationalDivorce
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Guarantee Clause: (Art IV, Sec. 4).
The United States will guarantee every state a government elected by the citizens of that state, and it will protect the States from attack. The United States will also protect the states from local fighting, or riots, if the State legislatures ask for it. The Governor can ask for this protection if the legislature of that state is not meeting. At its core, the Guarantee Clause provides for majority rule. A republican government is one in which the people govern through elections. This is the constant refrain of the Federalist Papers. Alexander Hamilton, for example, put it this way in The Federalist No. 57: “The elective mode of obtaining rulers is the characteristic policy of republican government.” Thus, the Guarantee Clause imposes limitations on the type of government a state may have. The Clause requires the United States to prevent any state from imposing rule by monarchy, dictatorship, aristocracy, or permanent military rule, even through majority vote. Instead, governing by electoral processes is constitutionally required.
While I am greatly appreciative of this perspective brought forward by Sundance, I do think that there is a section in the Constitution that does deal with an issue like this (see above) so, of course I wouldn’t agree with the tone of finality in the analysis ….
That being said, the 14th Amendment does , indeed, single out certain protected groups ….that they be GIVEN THE SAME (EQUAL RIGHTS) as their fellow citizens in their respective jurisdictions ….this presume that there is a definition …a legal description as to what those equal rights are in order to make the comparrison and subsequent determination that the plaintiff has been injured under the 14th Amendment.
As I said, I am greatly indebted to Sundance for having presented that analysis that revealed a hole in my own personal system of logic ….but I also have to say that I was able to fairly quickly ‘fill it in’ …
Bottom line is that it comes down the lawyers who present the cases ….and the judges who hear them …
A related thought ….this analysis puts into perspective Sundance’s thoughts on the Political Parties being corporations ….assuming his analysis, in practice, makes it unlikely that we can rely on the corporations to give us the candidates we want, the response would be to back a third party that is detached from the other two ….Imagine the chaos that would create in the process if a REAL third party (not one put up by the Uniparty to ‘manage’ the results) ….Again, provided with the knowledge of what Sundance just imparted, it would likely infuse real life and passion into a legitimate third party that would take on the other two …
So my advice would be to not be afraid to share Sundances analysis with others …even if, as I believe ,there are still options in the courts …especially in SCOTUS ….
HOW ‘BOUT DEM BRUNSON BROS!!!
d … rats abuse the law and the republicans allow the law to abuse them, when will the republican party figure out how to stop the fraud and win elections when the judges / courts do not care about election fraud.
It turns out the DOJ has plenty to say regarding election fraud:
U.S. Attorneys » District of New Hampshire » News
Department of Justice
U.S. Attorney’s Office
District of New Hampshire
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, February 2, 2016
Federal Election Fraud Fact Sheet Most issues concerning the administration and conduct of elections are governed and regulated by state law and are best addressed by state and local election officials. Federal law enforcement and prosecutorial authorities have jurisdiction to investigate and, when appropriate, prosecute election fraud in the following circumstances:
I. Federal Criminal Jurisdiction
Federal criminal jurisdiction over the activities described below can generally be obtained when those activities take place:
II. Conduct Actionable as Federal Election Fraud, Intimidation, or Suppression
The following activities provide a basis for federal prosecution under the statutes referenced in each category:
Complaints about ballot access problems or discrimination can be made directly to the Civil Rights Division’s Voting Section in Washington, D.C. at 1-800-253-3931 or by TTY at 1-877-267-8971.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-nh/pr/federal-election-fraud-fact-sheet
Thank you!
Our founders assumed moral people administering elections and unbiased judges handling election contests. We seem to lack both these days.
Thus, the obvious way to address this is to make political belief, speech, affiliation a protected category under state and federal law. Why Republicans don’t legislate for this is beyond me.
John Fetterman is a deplorable in Hillary eyes
Guaranteed.
Judging from the comments, so many on point, that it is an unassailable fact many of you in the U.S now realise the true lies, deceit and corruption that has been and comprised your politics, worst of all, the realisation that we have, wherever in the World we might be, irrespective nation of birth, been living a lie, a lie predicate upon the faux values we have been fed and ascribed to, our much vaunted Democracies mere mirages of freedom, the result of the Uniparty World and System we have.
Add to that the insidious impact of non term limits for those inserted into the political system at all levels as now so overtly illustrated and as experienced, especially given all of the events and the impact of such dating back to the turgid Administration of the traitor H.W (New World Order) Bush.
Who can ever forget that SOTU address he made when he invoked, championed and spoke so eloquently of the wondrous benefits to come from the forthcoming New World Order (NWO) standing there brazenly opining and championing for the present system, a system dominated by the Nation he led, to be replaced, completely by his fanciful NWO, an overtly act of treason committed publicly in other words.
This call to arms and the treatises made in favour of the NWO gang, was keenly followed up in many statements made by his subsequent successors to the Oval Office, “Blow me” Bill Clinton, George “Dubbya – Liar and Warmonger” Bush, the odious Barack Hussein “He of Dubious Birth Record” Obumhole, and more latterly and the present occupier, Joe “Touchy Feely – Shower with his Teenage Daughter” Lieden, the only exception to the above rogues gallery, being your greatest and only truly elected President enjoyed and experienced the last 1oo years, Donald J Trump.
Seemingly and given the dearth of judicial support it seems the events of past history in your nation are on the cusp of being repeated, an Act 2 so to speak.
As so poignantly written in the immortal words of Thomas Paine…
“These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”…
Many, others, of your true God fearing and parochial nation loving countrymen and woman, patriot’s all, have put they’re heads above the parapet, doing so in many guises since themselves recognising the present dilemma and more so, the precipice that they’re nations hangs upon, in doing so, inviting the sights arrayed to be trained upon them, these bravest amongst you who willingly will take the slings, arrows and barbs thrown at them, doing so readily for those afraid or unable themselves to so do, their courage not yet found enabling them to so participate the voices needed heard.
This selfless act is done on your behalf, on behalf of those unable or not yet brave enough to get into the thick of it, into the fray, to step in front of the bullet, taking the hit they know is the likely price to be paid for true love of nation.
As is so well known throughout history and especially, your own nations.. many battles and skirmishes are lost, eyes blackened, injuries sustained, sadly mortality rates do rise during the Wars and Battles past and that we know in this fight are still required to be fought.
For nothing has ever been achieved, nor anyone in any time past who has experienced or savoured the sweet taste of success or victory, ever been able to stand atop the apex of such success or upon the dais of victory and proclaim it was a given, easy, a doddle or a walk in the park.
It never is, never ever has been, nor should it ever be so, the detritus strewn the highway of all histories written, underscoring a litany of loss, of suffering, of doubts, of second guessing of the plan, of the individuals involved and who stood.
It is but part of the process in every March toward the ultimate victory sought…
On that basis alone it is your duty to stand firm, tight, unbreakable and unequivocal in your resolve to see it through.
Simply put You must Hold, Firm, Be Truly Unshakeable, your Faith in the righteousness of this common cause and outcome pursued, your purpose, your raison de’ etre elevated to a status superseding all else until it is achieved, for it is and always has been your birthright … reclaim it, take it back, do what you know you can, what you inherently and so unequivocally believe now know, needs to be undertaken, initiated and acted upon to ensure not just your own, but especially that of your children’s, they’re children’s and all those of most import to you… futures!
This battle you find yourself in the midst of, demands and for which ultimate success is predicate has placed that burden now upon you, the occupier of this time in your nations history… will you heed the call to do what is required to ensure your freedom, your futures, joining those already in the midst of the fray?
Maybe we need a petition to place on the ballot state voting rules that make sense. Maybe paper ballots, photo ID’s, hand counting at the voting centers, maybe limit the number of voters per location to some workable number(maybe 1000), limit absentee to people with excuses, no ballot harvesting.
The Founders were brilliant thinkers, but they weren’t perfect. Just like they didn’t foresee the constitutional crisis over the issue of secession, they didn’t foresee the constitutional crisis over the issue of voter fraud.
Based on the above facts, Trump appears to be coming to the same conclusion that Abraham Lincoln did: in the event of such a crisis, a constitutional response is not possible. Of course should he be re-elected and resort to Lincoln-style governance, there will be a permanent rift between MAGA and the constitutionalist and libertarian wings of the GOP, as many of their ranks consider such governance to by tyranny of the lowest order.
Seems like a lot of pretending Sundance
Looks like we need a Brazil solution to keep the freedom lights on in America. What the hell has happened to our Republic?
So, there is a lesson in this knowledge. There are way more conservative counties than ‘liberal’ ones across the Country in every state. The conservative counties need to start ballot harvesting and drop box stuffing just like the ‘liberal’ ones. Play the same game I recon. As the trucks roll into the liberal ballot counting locations in ‘liberal’ counties with 200-400% votes over registered voters the trucks need to roll into the conservative vote counting locations. We would not have to go to 200-400% over voter registrations though, just about 20%.
So a state has the right to cheat!
does the telecommunications act cover using the internet to commit fraud.
that is a federal law as far as i can remember.
The Law in AZ. In Order to file a Suit against an Election.
It has to be Certified by the State of AZ.
No one file a Law Suit until that happens.
Every STATE HAS THEIR OWN LAWS AND RULES.
That’s AZ’s Law
The Supreme Court has found, numerous times and in numerous ways that every American has the right to equal treatment under the law. That is a root fundamental of our Constitutional Republic.
While there are cases that went the exact opposite way, the traditional and majority of precedent cases agree every citizen has the right to equal protection under the law. The theory that you must be part of a certain group to be protected or have extra protection because you are part of some special group is part of the minority of precedents where almost all of the agreeing cases have extenuating circumstances and in an fair court would fall before the overwhelming precedents that EVERY citizen has equal protection under the law.
Say if blacks absolutely have the right to vote and have that vote counted, protected by the law of the Constitution, then so does everyone else. Say that blacks have the right by the law of he Constitution to have their vote counted in whole and not in percentages, then whites, Asians, and Native Americans have that same right.
This is settled law.
Anything else is far left academic Lawfare theory and made more possible by media swaying the courts to believe the public accepts it as viable.
Any lawyer worth $10 per hour can prove that any state that lets the general public vote to decide national elections MUST provide equal protection of the law to protect each individual vote at an equal opportunity and equal count. The courts MAY provide punitive actions that they deem appropriate, up to and including an ordered new election.
The problem, of course, is fining an honest court and a lawyer worth $10 an hour to provide the appropriate argument. Normally a court will only rule on the arguments presented to it.
If you have been convinced that this is not true by the propaganda of the far left, begin by researching “Equal Protection Under The Law And Constitution”. That will provide you the basis to apply any right “won” during the civil rights movement to everyone, regardless of their status in or out of a special group.
If you reply a simple “I agree” ot “I disagree” it would be a very nice because I do not intend to argue this. I don’t have the time or inclination to do so and 99% of the people will likely not do the research and I’m just not dealing with those persons.
If it upsets you. please argue among yourselves and just dimiss me or or agree. I just felt someone should point this out and I didn’t see another post doing so.
Thank you.
I was looking for someone to make this very point. This comes down to citizenship and the rights that are afforded to citizens of the Republic. Everyone gets the same level of rights as any other citizen. Seems pretty simple to me. As for arguing that only protected classes can be heard on disenfranchisement of voting cases, there are going to be people from every “protected” class in the pool of affidavits that have been collected, or so it would seem to me. The idea that only a certain skin pigmentation or genetic disposition can be protected is ludicrous on it’s face. Am I off base here? I’m no lawyer or legal mind for sure but I believe the founding fathers demanded that our constitution be written and protected by COMMON SENSE.
If all this is true, why are the cheaters being so underhanded and jumping through hoops to hide, disguise and deny their voter and election fraud? Much easier to come right out and say, for example, it’s our state and we only allow Democrats to win.
It isn’t in a liar’s nature to tell the truth about anything, even when he loses nothing by it.
The Democrats follow their idol, no not Obama, Joseph Stalin. He said “Its not important which people vote; it’s important who counts the votes”!
The voting machine must be thrown out. Unless this done there are no honest elections. Paper ballots and real ID’s.
So, the founding fathers dropped the ball on protecting one of the activities most crucial to sustaining the health of the republic? That would explain a lot.
the Battle of Athens,TN(1946) was over election fraud,and the local sheriffs were in on it. the locals took up arms and seized the ballots,counting site,and held the perps for later trial. They protected the evidence of fraud,so that outsiders could see it for real..
The fear of that happening again in Georgia is why the New Black Panthers had armed groups outside of election sites for their runoff election.