President Donald Trump came under massive amounts of fire recently for saying, “So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”
What President Trump is noting, is the exact same reason why Kari Lake’s lawsuit, like every other election lawsuit before it, will fail. Our U.S. Constitution permits election fraud and manipulation, as long as that state level election fraud and manipulation does not break federal law. {Direct Rumble Link} – WATCH:
Obviously, it would be frustrating for President Trump to ask legal advisors what can be done about certified results from fraudulently constructed elections. The reply from the legal advisors around the state certification would frustrate anybody, because the constitution permits fraudulent elections. The decision on how to conduct elections is entirely up to the states.
The states, via state legislature, determine their election rules, laws and outcomes that eventually lead to state certification. If a state wants to block voters, impede voters, or manipulate the voting outcome, there is generally nothing in federal law to stop them – as long as the state or county does not break federal laws protecting classes or protected categories of persons.
Federal law generally prohibits disenfranchisement of people based on race, age, national origin, sex, marital status, disability, pregnancy, gender, sexual orientation and disability, along with other categories.
Federal law does not prohibit disenfranchisement based on ideology, political affiliation or outlook. If a state or local election system wants to block voters based on affiliation or ideology, they can…. as long as it doesn’t have a disparate impact on the protected category.
If a state legislature wanted to assign 1/2 value to each Republican vote, there is nothing in the constitution that would prohibit that rule.
If a state election outcome results in the loss of 50% of the republican votes in the local or state election, there is nothing in the federal law that would correct the issue. The state is responsible for certifying the results.
The supreme court will not hear an election controversy issue or legal challenge based on certified results from states. The constitution permits states to conduct their own elections, and as long as federal laws are not violated, the state certification ends the discussion. This is the great dichotomy within U.S. election around election manipulation by a state or local election officials. There is no federal recourse if no federally protected category was adversely impacted.
The DNC argues election disenfranchisement, rules, dates, times, locations, etc based entirely on protected federal categories, ie. the date or method of the election has an adverse impact to a specifically protected category of racial minorities. This is the typical DNC lawsuit.
EX. the RNC or DNC candidates have no legal footing to sue in federal court if everyone wearing a green shirt was turned away from county polling locations; unless they can prove that a green shirt was worn by a higher percentage of a protected category of persons (i.e., disparate impact).
Additionally, due to the private nature of the corporations that run candidates, notably the RNC and DNC, there is also no prohibition to stop the RNC or DNC from disapproving candidates unless they also were discriminating based on a protected category. Not coincidentally, political parties are not recognized in the U.S. constitution.
This election reality is why control over state level elections is where the battle has to be fought. Once a state certifies the election outcome, there is almost no way the federal courts can/will intervene unless the lawsuit is based on a claim that federally protected voters were specifically targeted.
Excuse me I’m coming in out-of-topic, 911. The censorship has gotten out of hand at CFP. I got the post below up for about a minute and they took the whole link off the top of the page (there were some powerful posts underneath also). I better get it up so Sundance can take a look at it before they censor it throughout the whole system. I had the first part up the other night but then I added another paragraph.
THEY HATE SIMPLE TRUTH.
THEY’RE TRYING TO HOARD PRACTICLE KNOWLEDGE.
SURELY TO KEEP YOU IN THE DARK LIKE A MUSHROOM.
Some of you may want to copy this. I like to make things easy to understand (that really pisses them off):
The Fed does not set interest rates, it follows them, that’s really the posture they’ve been in ever since they started this aggressive Monetary Policy.
They haven’t been influencing the system, they’ve been milking it. They can’t do that anymore with visible inflation. See, interest rates are the biggest component of runaway inflation (and inflation is the biggest component of high interest rates). They can’t have the Burlesque of borrowing money at 4.75% Short-term Treasury Bill and lending it to the Banks at 0.00% Fed Funds Rate. That would be so preposterous it would just add fuel to the fire and the treasury market would be demanding even higher interest to buy the government’s securities. It’s sort of like how FTX shouldn’t have gone past a 30% reserve requirement. The Federal Reserve would be making the same mistake – they’re at the end of their rope.
I guess the Commies just want The Fed to do it anyway and you could have the fiasco of the government borrowing at 40% interest then turning around and lending to the Bankers for 0%.
I expect when that happens everyone will understand what they’ve done.
Open Market Activities are how the Federal Reserve influence interest-rates, and increase or decrease the Money Supply. Selling bonds they raise interests rates and suck money back out of the system. In buying bonds they’re willing to receive a lower interest-rate and inject more money into the system (except if they’ve gone beyond their means and break the system thereby paralyzing the circulation of money and effectively reducing the amount of money in the system anyway).
It’s very important to remember that The Fed only operates in a short-term arena. The Fed Can’t make a dent in the long-term bond market without prohibitively inordinate risk. The main thing the Fed’s doing is signaling the entire complex apparatus – the Fed’s influence is entirely based on Credibility.
CFP?
Citizen Free Press? Canada Free Press?
CITIZEN FREE PRESS
good site for news with some attitude. Better than Drudge (i haven’t clicked there in 4 yrs). And there are no crappy ads on their main page, just links to stories. Comments are funny. News is always up to date.
It’s a conservative site, and is getting more popular by the day.
Hardly Any FILTHY LIBERALS there.
It’s a beauty.
One of my other daily “must reads.”
Not for me. They remove comments that do not toe the line of the site, and that line can be misleading.
Citizen Free Press. https://citizenfreepress.com/
Most sites around censor and ban commenters all the time. Powerlineblog.com is infamous for banning comments.
You act like they’re not intentionally collapsing it.
OT BUTT.
…of which they now have none.
One critique that I would have is that it is offtopic a bit. Fair points though you might edit it to be more impactful.
In other words, we’re screwed!
No. It means we have to fix the laws in all the individual States.
What would the dems do?
– immediately sue claiming that the black and latino voters were disenfranchised.
– find a friendly judge
– trot out dozens of credentialed idiots who will say it on tv and swear to it in court.
They do this when they’re not actually disenfranchised. “republicans” won’t do it even when it’s clear they were in fact screwed over, as were all of the Arizona voters. And respectfully, there are actionable federal statutes. RICO, money laundering, coordination with social media to censor American Citizens, deprivationof rightsundercolor of law, just off the top of my head.
There is in fact a lawsuit saying pretty much that, but I am not sure what its current status is. I think Mike Lindell said the other day there are 45 lawsuits that he knows of that are still going on. Of course it’s not the Republicans who are doing this, it’s the citizens, the people, who actually care that we have a voice in the process!
Great in theory, but you have to have elected officials willing to fix the laws. If you can’t win an election how does that even happen? Look no further than Arizona.
Az was a major victory, in fact several.
The State legislatures equivalent of Mitch, 40+ years in Az politics, Speaker of the House Rusty Bowers was censured by the State R party, and primaried out in this midterm.
The Rs had a theoretical one seat Majority in the Legislature, but Rusty and one RINO accomplice kept legislation from getting to the floor for a vote, including 90 bills written by Wendy Rogers, and 11 specific election reform bills written by Mark Fitchem.
He and his cohort are GONE, and should she try to serve, Hobbs will have difficulty, with an empty purse.
She will soon be named “Veto Katie” and if she wants any $, she is going to have to sign some bills.
KL & Co. DID NOT have to campaign against ‘splitter candidates’, did anyone notice?
IF the R State party had run splitters, its likely they would not have survived their primary, MAGA voters would have refused to vote for Robson and the RINOS, and Hobbs would have won, but without Worldwide attention on a blatant steal.
In warfare, there are times when you take territory inch by inch.
They didn’t blatantly and openly steal the Az. election because they WANTED to blatantly and openly steal the election.
They wanted to do it by stealth, using traitorous double agents in our ranks RINOS.
They stole it blatantly and openly, because they HAD NO CHOICE.
They COULD NOT let her win, and they had lost control of the R party, and so lost their (far preferable to them) stealth option of State R party rigging the primary.
And now we get confirmation that Hobbs, AS SOS, was using the “app” to censure big tech social media, to her political benefit.
Sounds like the same strategy being used by Trump and the MAGA Patriots at the national level. Just a coincidence?
Our federal govt is corrupted…whether by the top down or the bottom up is of no significance
It means the political POWER in our Republic, is concentrated in the STATES, which is JUST where we WANT it to be.
Its where our Founders wanted it to be, and all “conservatives” (Constitutionalists might be a better name) know why.
WE want political power concentrated closest to THE People.
Now extreme federalism, excercised by MAGA elected officials is how we tame the beast.
But for THAT to happen, MAGA Candidates need to be elected, and that means, as a FIRST step, siezing control, MAGA Control of State R parties.
Maga Candidates can not win, without MAGA control of the State party, because RINOS in controlof the party, will blatantly work to defeat the MAGA Candidates.
Then, once you HAVE MAGA Control of the State R party, your only 1/2 way there, as you still have to address the ballots vs voters ballot fraud and election theft, in order to have MAGA Candidates actually win the general, so that they can implement measures to clean up elections.
Nobody promised you it would be EASY,…
You have been pointing that out here for a long while sir, and SD’s article says you have been right all along.
Now we need many more to heed your sound advice.
precinct strategy
precinctstrategy.com
While everybody and their brother focuses on either fixing the Republican Party, or else making sure that only RINOs can win, how’s about we put some attention to the Democrat side and stuff as many DINOs in there as we can?
That way, even if the fix is in, we’ll win it either way! They got away with RINOs for years. Why can’t WE give the UNiparty a taste of their own medicine?
Simple: Heads we win, tails they lose.
I’ve been saying that for as long time. I know someone who did that years, got the democrat puppet kicked off the ballot for a Federal House Seat, and than we watched as the GOP was ordered by their puppeteers to help the democrats knock the DINO out. They even bused in college communists to protest him!
Working on my county now, which is one of the worst in the state. The good part is, they don’t seem to realize how many people no longer have faith in them.
Dutchman for the win!
mail n voting was illegal in Pennsylvania in 2020. The courts ignored the law. If laws mean nothing then it doesn’t matter what laws are passed.
One has to wonder why these states don’t indeed do something about violating their own election laws. I wonder if some of them are getting “nice little family you have there…it’d be a shame for something to happen to it…” phone calls(?). Or perhaps, more likely, they’re getting calls from China McTurtle or some of those similar apparatchiks that sound like, “Nice little career you’re having there, Governor/SoS. If you ever expect to aspire to higher office, you’d better listen,and listen good…” And since virtually all of them expect to go further and make a long, lucrative career of politics (are there any who don’t? I can’t think of one), they play the game to stay in the graces of these creeps.
Just the thoughts of a frustrated guy who just wants to be left the hell alone.
Which means we are screwed.
So am I to understand that the lawmakers who already installed themselves are expected to fix the state laws that installed them? Now, why in the world would they ever want to do that?
We can beat them at their own game if we would just get serious about it instead of pounding tables and pontificating ..ad nauseum.. how unfair they are being to us.
We’re not even in the game. They got their chessboard out, and we’re still trying to play checkers. This is appalling on so many levels.
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THIS, WE got too stand up..
The forgotten large militia movement of the 90’s was derailed by the very suspicious OKC attack. Someone had the smarts to tape all the local news broadcasts and caught some interesting details that the official cover-up, covered up.
Senator Biden was also instrumental in ramming through expanded survelliance/police state legislation after the false flag attack.
Is your group infiltrated by the FBI? Keep in mind that every Militia bust by the Fed’s involves “Assets” on the inside.
the FBI agent that was agitating and “steering” the Garland Tx attack, peeled off when the Off-Duty TX Police providing security took out the terrorist clowns.
FBI Undercover Agent Was In Car Behind Terrorists And Failed To Stop Attack
https://dailycaller.com/2017/03/27/fbi-undercover-agent-was-in-car-behind-terrorists-and-failed-to-stop-attack/
THEY have F15’s, nukes, drones, monitor text messages and emails.
Question is who deserves your wrath?
We know where they live.
Ray? Ray Epps?
How’s the weather under the bridge?
This is the identical post you have had flagged and removed already. Yet you keep reposting it.
A violent civil war will almost certainly be CRUSHED and it will be done quickly. I was part of a local III% group until Jan 6th 2021 and had to disband from the group and go a bit stealthier. Just a heads up…I would bet any amount of money there are hundreds of federal “informants” around the country within almost EVERY militia group.
I’ve been doing a bit of reading on “Irish Democracy” and think this is the best approach and hopefully Sundance can do some sort of dive into it someday so it can maybe gain some traction.
So, what is “Irish Democracy”? Well, the phrase itself is ironic – there’s nothing democratic about it. It is similar in meaning to “going Galt” (Atlas Shrugged) but with a few twists. As best I can describe it, it is a gray man technique, therefore quiet, nondescript, underground, and absolutely committed to sabotaging, by a thousand cuts, throwing sand in the machinery of, the “Democracy” one finds oneself under the thumb of or the boot of. Does that make sense? It’s a dogged resistance. It’s anonymous. It’s unorganized disobedience. It’s not a violent mob, that the congress critters in D.C. are so afraid of with their show and tell concertina wire guarding the People’s House
Very hard for a rebellion to be crushed when it is unorganized, fractured, stealthy and anonymous.
Something like this the ending of V For Vendetta
Yep. Until this happens, nothing will get fixed. This is the ONLY thing that will now cause them concern.
Great story. WWII vets restored order to small town America.
Whole lot more pregnancies among republicans
We actually need less Republicans to fix this… The party is 50% of the problem and the only solution they offer is to elect more of themselves.
This isnt fixed by voting… That ship sailed a century ago. It simply can’t be done and the longer we deny that the longer we avoid productive conversation.
This doesn’t have to go directly from the ballot box to the ammo box… But you have to accept the ballot box is dead to find a workable solution.
Nothing will fix it except the development of a new political party based on MAGA principles, the GOP is and should be history; the democrat/communist/globalist party will continue to strengthen with further subversion of the federal government; time is short, so now is the time; otherwise, the Country will submerge into at least 4 generations of darkness and totalitarianism.
Did somebody say “pregnancies”?
Just think of how many races are decided between the two parties by 49.8 vs 50.2 or some similarly narrow 48/52.. For example.
Statistically speaking it is almost impossible to have a 50 / 50 split that many times. Are we to believe that on a random election just as much Democrats turn up as Republicans to the extent of always almost cancelling eachother out and then the 0.2% makes the difference.. Really..
OK you say these are “contested” “contentious” races and you don’t see the walkovers.. but still .. Kari Lake vs the babbler who did not even debate… Really? 50/50 ?
You would expect to see 20 / 80… 40 / 60 etc way more times.
You would think now and again there is a candidate on one side that even that side itself loathes and then people turnout for that candidate would be abysmal But nope, still 49 something 50 something split more than not. OK Liz Cheney got hammered by.. Cant remember… But I bet she did not get 10 votes and not 30? percent 😀
Think about it. If you think it is perfectly normal and within the realm of natural occurances (for as often as it happens) you should buy some lottery tickets today.
Prediction: Herschel Walker is probably going to lose to the guy who ran over his wife 2 years ago by 49.9 to 50.1..
Joe Biden and John Fetterman, anything will be possible if these two are making it.
Biden/Fetterman 2024/ It’s a No Brainer!
LOL…I see what you did there !!
Well done!
What if in the key States, the real outcome is almost always 70-30 or 60-40 Republican, yet the Dems have harvested ballots from 10’s of thousands of people who had never voted in 20 years and would never vote in the next 20.
Those harvested ballots are used to generate a small margin of victory.
This is definitely a State level issue.
The State Legislatures will either run their elections, or they will continue to allow outside entities (judges/AG’s/SOS) run the elections.
Regarding your prediction for Walker, you are most likely correct.
They have Ratsinburger in the position to throw it and the State Legislature has not done their job.
The broader false narrative, that they have been regularly repeating, so many mitakenly don’t question it, is that “We are a 50/50 nation, with slightly more voting Democrat.”
This foundational lie then sets up the expectation of close elections, you see.
But,…its a LIE. There is NO reliable facts you can point to, to support this assertion of”50/50″; NONE.
I have said this is un natural for a long time. Always looked rigged to placate everyone.
I live in MA and hardly ever see a race even 55-45%. The few that are usually are won by Republicans, and few of them at that. Most races have the Dems winning with 60-80% of the vote sometimes with 100% if there is no challenger.
Walker wins!!!
Trump Won!!
Pick any two numbers as your starting totals: say, 34 and 213. Their ratio is 14% to 86%. Now add one to each. Now add one more to each. Now add one more to each. That makes 37 and 216. Now their ratio is 15% to 85%.
Now keep adding one more to each, until you’ve added 1000 to each. Now the totals are 1034 and 1213. Now their ratios are 46% to 54%. Keep going, until you get as many votes as registered voters (or more, in the case of Pennsylvania 2020…)
That’s how it’s done.
Why it’s done – I can see several reasons. For instance, making us think we’re more divided than we are, creating exciting drama so we’re distracted from watching for fraud, giving us hopium that we were so close this time, next time we’ll just get a few more votes and win!
I’m not a lawyer, but I suspect that state elections could be overturned by showing that ballot harvesters have been violating the secret ballot provision of Title IV:
§ 452.97 Secret ballot.
(a) A prime requisite of elections regulated by title IV is that they be held by secret ballot among the members or in appropriate cases by representatives who themselves have been elected by secret ballot among the members. A secret ballot under the Act is “the expression by ballot, voting machine, or otherwise, but in no event by proxy, of a choice * * * cast in such a manner that the person expressing such choice cannot be identified with the choice expressed.” 47 Secrecy may be assured by the use of voting machines, or, if paper ballots are used, by providing voting booths, partitions, or other physical arrangements permitting privacy for the voter while he is marking his ballot. The ballot must not contain any markings which upon examination would enable one to identify it with the voter. Balloting by mail presents special problems in assuring secrecy. Although no particular method of assuring such secrecy is prescribed, secrecy may be assured by the use of a double envelope system for return of the voted ballots with the necessary voter identification appearing only on the outer envelope.
That my friend is brilliant.
So much better than the militia engagement.
The Irish Democracy worked bc they were homogeneous, their informers were poor and when they had an extra loaf, everyone knew they were informers
No, because the other side controls the courts. Just as they do in supposedly conservative Arizona.
I’m not a lawyer either, but I believe that provision is referencing the Election Provisions of the Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure Act of 1959, not government elections.
Yes, comes from the Dept of Labor, and would not apply to State elections, even for Federal offices.
Where does MAGA go to apply to be a “protected class”? Heaven knows as we are being targeted by our own government, I would think we’d qualify.
Most still don’t understand that “protected class” is actually an inversion of “white male”, just like .25 is an inversion of 1/4.
By law, they aren’t allowed to discriminate against people by race or gender so they give special protections to all groups except the one they want to discriminate against.
Exactly so, Vince. And the very thought that made me comment as I did.
Though to be accurate, MAGA is an amalgamation of many races, discriminates against no one…and this…
Whereas the Fascist Left are all in on “diversity and inclusion”, can you think of another movement that actually offers both to the extent MAGA does? With open arms to all who wish to be a part of it? Regardless of how Almighty God made them?
A portrait of America at her very best is what MAGA is. And one which those who overthrew our duly elected President hate for all they are worth.
And that is the tragedy of this time of our existence…
Tragic and desperately sad.
Amen, Betsy. Amen. God bless us!
MAGA voters are a massive problem for the joint Democrat/Republican political cartel.
The MAGA movement is an extremely powerful political force comprised of conservatives, libertarians, independents and people who have never been politically involved before, and therefore must be dealt with.
Republicans need votes and therefore they must get control of the MAGA movement.
This is why Republicans are pushing DeSantis as the future leader of MAGA. DeSantis is their pied piper who they hope will herd MAGA voters into voting for “their” pre-selected Republican candidates.
Trump candidates are deemed not acceptable, and most will be opposed by the cartel.
And long may we continue to be a very painful thorn in their side. We are being fire tested and will not be discouraged…nor give in or give up.
Let’s see how they propose to deal with that.
It’ll be ruled “SHE has NO STANDING”..
Ostensibly the grounds for why TX v. PA failed with SCOTUS. One state’s fraudulent election cannot be regarded to have wronged the people of another state and, because Constitution, the SCOTUS has no path. TX has no standing. As Justice Thomas lamented:
“If not us, who? And if not now, when?”
If there even were an overriding Federal law, do you think the FBI/DOJ would intervene?
The game can’t be won by playing.
It’s a unique one for sure.
OT BUTT.
FED TROLL ALERT.
No sh@t
That’s what the kids in A.R.M. were saying back in 2009. Then they got setup by a guy named Ty Cacek to do a piece for Time Magazine.
http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2022468_2194721,00.html
If your not careful you can get tangled up with people like July 4th Patriot and Nancy Genovese.
Slime has control. Slime also has has done the homework. Getting control at the local level is impossible. After 50 years in Masshole and working against this one party government that appoints the judgeships I finally gave it up. The Marxist movement spends 24/7 at control of all elections. Happy to have left and now reside at Holden beach. NC. A few miles up to road from Myrtle Beach. Trump signs still on display and Christian believers are my neighbors.
You live in paradise.
I think that I have found a place to go to once my new Fuehrer Josh Shapiro and the 1 – seat Democrat majority PA State House get going.
Your either a PSYCHO, or a FED. Go away.
You know, I don’t think it’s too hard to:
Any other place would have yeeted your OP out of existence, so don’t take that privilege for granted. Thanks.
Alora is a prime example of Q followers living in their own little world of make-believe where wet dreams are reality.
Remember the Hutaree?
And you can kiss my *ss!
I no longer believe that we can get our Republic back through the political process. I think we need to start a national discussion about splitting this country up in some way.
I’m not entirely sure what that would look like or how it could transpire.
I would love to know what you all think.
The Tyrants aren’t going to allow that.
…because the leeches need a warm body politic on which to feed. Milk cows for the unproductive laptop caste.
Indeed.
They won’t allow any states or territories to peaceably depart, they want the resources, the land, the labor of the people, and won’t suffer bastions of freedom that could threaten their dominion.
We are not divided the way it looks on a red-blue map. Remember how Eastern Europe fell after the people discovered there were more of them than there were of the tyrants? We probably have 3% of people who are actually invested in this system (i.e. will lose money, freedom, or life if their treason is found out) and most of them are elderly and do not have the love or loyalty of anyone who would make up an army for them. They say the Revolutionary War was fought by 3% of the people then, but even then it took many years to work up to actually declaring independence (1776), fighting the war, and becoming the United States (Constitution in 1789).
So I am not sure this would ever come to a hot war; it is and may remain a war of information and willpower. We have a lot more organization and sources of information than we did two years ago, the “mainstream” media is collapsing, and people are recognizing they’ve been lied to and many of our family members are dead as a result.
I think the only hope of the other side is to control our anger long enough to convince us the moment for removing the traitors is past. But President Trump is right that if someone steals your diamonds, there is never a time when you tell the thief the statute of limitations is over, you can keep the diamonds now.
“If a state wants to block voters, impede voters, or manipulate the voting outcome, there is generally nothing in federal law to stop them – as long as the state or county does not break federal laws protecting classes or protected categories of persons….”
BINGO!!! Two years later and we’re finally getting it. Your issues are not with democrats in red states, they are with the state legislatures.
Judges have no means of constitutionally deciding election cases. Neither do SoS or anyone else… It’s the legislature!!!
Article one section 4! The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof;
The Rights so called Media has done EVERYTHING under the sun to distract voters from noticing… it’s the GOP Stupids!!!
Well Article one section 4 was not followed in several states, GA being one, in the 2020 election. The GA state legislature did not approve the changes that the SOS, Raffensperger made to the manner of the 2020 in concert with the Democrats. Changes were made because of Covid-19 and that was that. At least that’s my understanding and then after the election and many problems were found, they slow walked and resisted investigations.
IMO, GA is an excellent example of corruption at the state level that can effect federal elections.
What you don’t seem to understand is… In Georgia the legislature has simply and wilfully abandon it’s authority.
It’s still their responsibility.
With 5 states voting shutting down within minutes, a first in all voting history, one could call that a conspiracy and take appropriate legal action.
No, the legislatures, not the courts or candidates, can take appropriate action.
Deprogram and apply common sense, it’s required.
Personally, I don’t consider this a bug. I consider it a feature. Federal control of most everything, other than defense and foreign policy, is usually a bad thing. Why should voter fraud in Arizona be litigated in Federal court, rather than State court? Subsidiarity. Power should be decentralized as much as possible.
Point taken, especially regarding gubernatorial elections, but when you start talking about a national election for the president and congress, you are talking about the malfeasance of one state potentially affecting us ALL.
Sorry. I call bull shite.
You glow.
Stealing elections through fraud, commandering the media to manipulate people, using government bureaucracy, agencies, courts to crush your opponents is seen as good politics. The culture has changed. We’re not in Kansas any more.
The Great Sorting is taking place, albeit too slowly for maximum effect. I am Southern, born and raised, but love the natural beauty of the western states. Left the South for 30 years, but cannot abide the Left Coast attitude so I’m back in the South, having sorted myself back home. Many others are making the same decision in what has also been dubbed ‘The Uhaul Revolution’. It cannot happen fast enough, but the contaminants are coming along with the cream. We are heterogenous to a high degree in population and principles, reflected in our constant recurring 50/50 splits over plain questions of good vs evil. .
This is what makes the thought of Civil War so horrifying and repulsive, is that neighbor against neighbor nature of the ensuing bloodshed. Every other person you meet or pass upon the street is the enemy. The Great Sorting is not working well in achieving homogeneity in principles and practice among the general population of the respective domains.
I pray for another Passover from our Gracious Lord God, and I tend to believe that the next few years will see a Covid Vax-driven sorting as the Hand of God moves over the face of the Earth in the manner of Sodom, Gomorrah, and Egypt, once again. That the mad scientists who cooked this up will ultimately be the architects of their own destruction, having marked themselves and the blind sheep that follow for death as surely as the lack of blood on the lintel.
Nothing good will be rebuilt until the evil perish, and the Remnant tises in full. We have passed into the realm of Holy Vengeance, wheat from chaff. Prepare thyselves.
Ditto, and the main problem just imo, is that the half the people you reference, have been incited against a strawman. They are fighting a bogeyman ‘white supremacist’ in their head and under their bed. Smh…
You can’t file a lawsuit before election results are certified and once certified you lose the ability to file a lawsuit with any level of effectiveness. What a racket!
That it is.
And that law was most likely written/passed by a GOP state legislature and signed by a GOP governor
How did it benefit McCain I wonder?
I think that is why SCOTUS should have taken the lawsuit filed by 20+ states who held honest elections but we’re harmed by states who held and confirmed fraudulent elections on the Federal level.
As others have pointed out… that would have opened up a Barrel Of Monkeys feeding Cans Of Worms to a Kettle Of Fish… IMO…
but the senate, or, the courts? or somebody??? can object if the states do not follow their own rules, and send the certification back to them? isnt that what mike pence could have done on jan 6? isnt that where SCOTUS could have acted?
Wednesday, December 30, 2020
“Today U.S. Senator Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) announced he will object during the Electoral College certification process on January 6, 2021. Senator Hawley will object to highlight the failure of some states, including notably Pennsylvania, to follow their own election laws as well as the unprecedented interference of Big Tech monopolies in the election.
Therein lies the conundrum. The cheaters within the state that cheated must object to their own cheating.
Good luck with that.
And the Feds “We’re the government and we’re here to help!” would LOVE to swoop in to force ALL the states to standardize the same corrupted election practices across the board, especially the mail-in ballots.. But that Fed intervention to control state elections is *against* the US Constitution, unless the corrupt states all band together to amend the US Constitution.
It always comes down to the US Constitution, don’t let them fool you, as they dismantle it brick-by-brick.
Ok fine.
Go troll on a site where you’ll get traction with that.
We aren’t trying to get SD and ourselves rolled up, here.
So just move along.
I’m wondering whether you and Susan below are talking about a particularly inflammatory post up thread.
I agree that Ad Rem et al should take notice.
That exact post has been spammed in numerous places today, including at least twice in this thread.
It was a particularly radical call to arms that I was responding to.
Post was deleted, as were most of the responses.
Mine is still on site.
I think we all agree that any calls for violence or radical disruptions,
no matter how bad this situation becomes,
on this site is bad juju. And not something we want to
put on the internet, especially here.
Adrem (or who ever it was) was right to pull that schtick off our board.
We can’t make ourselves targets for forum cancelling.
SD’s message is too important to jeopardize our forum,
as things stand now.
Clean up on isle nine!!
Thank you!!!
Lol!
I think Kari is MAGA, and has gone all in.
This is the kind of politician I can get behind.
She came up to the table, and started betting big right away
i respect the way she’s gone about this.
we need more like KL.
I read President Trumps remarks and got a totally different take on what he said then what’s being reported. Another Charlottesville!
I was wondering that, too.
Same here.
Pretty much, twin girls.
”Trump calls for dismantling Constitution” is what you, I, and the rest of us have read.
Even on so called libertarian sites like Breitbart.
That message is exactly the opposite of what PDJT said.
He said, in effect, that the rules of the Constitution, and state constitutions,
aren’t being followed!,
so throw them out, because the laws of the land are meaningless.
From Federalist 39:
“We may define a republic to be, or at least may bestow that name on, a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure, for a limited period, or during good behavior. It is ESSENTIAL to such a government that it be derived from the great body of the society, not from an inconsiderable proportion, or a favored class of it; . . . It is SUFFICIENT for such a government that the persons administering it be appointed, either directly or indirectly, by the people; and that they hold their appointments by either of the tenures just specified…”
I am sure a good constitutional lawyer pleading in front of sober jurists can make the case that fraudulent elections undermine the Constitution’s guarantee to each state a Republican Form of Government.
Agreed.
Kari said today :
We’re ready to go with what we believe to be an exceptional lawsuit. And we believe we will be victorious in that lawsuit. We’ll take it all the way to the Supreme Court, if we have to. We will not stop fighting. Because the people of Arizona were disenfranchised.”
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I believe if she needs a ‘disenfranchised’ group to gain standing, the senior citizen areas of the greater Maricopa County area should be in her sights . . .
There’s a good angle!
If disenfranchising the voters in the state of Arizona is built into their state laws, the STATE legislature will need to change those laws. As it stands now, I believe the state electors can LEGALLY cast their votes for whomever candidate they wish, REGARDLESS of their state’s popular winner.
I repeat: State electors can legally ignore the will of the voters. This is a seldom used Hail Mary, but legally it IS there.
In other words, the installed state politicians appoint the state legislators. The appointed state legislature then chooses the state’s electors. The ELECTORS (not the voters) legally choose their winners, and CERTIFICATION of the election then SEALS the deal.
Taking in ballots and counting OUR votes is merely a formality. If the electors do not agree with the voters pick, the electors can LEGALLY disregard the popular winner and cast electoral votes the other way.
THE ONLY REASON YOU’RE *HEARING* ABOUT ANY LAWSUITS NOW, IS THAT THE ENEMEDIA WILL USE YOUR IGNORANCE TO FEDERALIZE ALL STATES ELECTIONS.
Changes must all be made at the STATE level. Bottom line: your electoral colleges can legally choose their own winners. THAT’S who chose Quid Pro Joe.
Does anybody know who their state electors are?
“There is no federal recourse ifno federally protected category was adversely impacted.”
Kari Lake is in a protected class because she is a woman and she was adversely impacted.
But you can’t prove that she absolutely would have won if not for the shenanigans. You CAN prove that Joe or Mary Voter were personally disenfranchised, however. And then you probably have to prove that it was on purpose and not just a massive “ Oopsy! So sorry!”…
Understood.
What about older Americans? Are most KL voters in Maricopa County over 55?
Well, I got disenfranchised, and I’m 71. And female.
I keep pointing out that Bolsanaro has helped bring the corruption to its knees by everyone protesting in Brazil. We have to shut this crap down NOW. Not later. Not in 2024. Either we get the word out and bring this country to a screeching halt until we have accountability or we’re never going to GET any….
Many people agree so how do we do this
We are waiting to see if bolsonaro’s military can shut down the corruption there despite intervention by jake sullivan and the CIA who are trying to help Lula
How in the HECK is that not foreign interference by the USA? What gives us the RIGHT to interfere in other countries elections? Yes, we have done this many times before, but WHY is there not more pushback from the public?
Maybe there is. Why do you think the system is having a meltdown at Musk for airing their dirty laundry.
In my home state the whole election process was almost destroyed when “ranked choice voting” was an article on the ballot. Reading the state provided explanation of the articles it was made clear, albeit subtly, the intentions. The article as written did not provide a clear explanation of how the ballots would be counted. Instead, what the people were voting for with this ranked choice question was a vote to give the Secretary of State the authority to draft regulations determining how future votes would be counted. I almost fell off my chair when I read that. Who in their right mind would forever cede their vote to the control of a high power state official? There would have been no point in ever going to the polls again if that article had passed. Maybe it was a fluke, or maybe the people did, in fact, read the explanation and understand the true intentions of the ones who placed that article on the ballot. I had expected to see the article pass, and ranked choice to become the permanent law of the land, as this was in a deepest of blue states. Moral of the story is that yes, Sundance is 100% correct, it’s at the state level where our freedoms are won or lost.
But they got ranked choice voting passed in Alaska. Frank Luntz, Kevin McCarthy‘s best friend forever, is behind ranked choice voting movement. He believes that it will keep all the conservative fire brands out of any race. Just normal wimpy people like Kevin would get elected.
We need a new Party. The Constitutional Party.
I am so done with republicans. My grandfather told me 70 years ago they were corrupt and that the democrats were that and worse. Despite his warnings, I voted a straight republican ticket in every election beginning in 1960. Start the new Constitutional Party now so it will be in place to pick up the pieces after the coming civil war.
Zing
Hummm
This is the best explanation of our election system that I’ve ever read.
Thank you Sundance.
If the US was attacked by enemies foreign and domestic during an election and the 3 branches were complicit or refused to act to address the threat thereby risking the loss of the Republic, is there a way to save the constitutional republic outside of the traditional court system? Perhaps through the military?
The federal government adopted the devolution procedures after the Gary Powers incident precisely due to the threat of the foreign installation of a Manchurian candidate.
What we have in federal office right now fits that scenario to a T.
We have tried all other peaceful recourse to address the situation, but it is only getting worse.
If the military were to act to remove all the active foreign agents (CCP, Muslim Brotherhood, MI6, Mossad) from American soil, as well as the top echelon of the fifth column collaborators (Brennan, Comey, Clapper, Holder, Thaler, Sunstein, Chan, and Elias, for example), would there really be any constitutional objection to military action against foreign occupiers and collaborators?
The US Military is not on you side anymore than the FBI and DOJ are..
Unless you are a democrat.
That might be true of the brass, but that’s not a sure thing when speaking of the NCO Corps as a whole.
How many NCOs? More than a few I would think, God knows.
It is not a case of might be of the brass. There is no maybe about it. Th NCOs will do as they are told. Those who might not are leaving the woke/crt military or not joining to begin with. And remember, all military are federal employees, aka government workers.
Still though. They’ve had a particular focus on rooting out those “domestic violent extremists” in the military so it’s possible that some are still flying under the radar, for now.
I would not overlook the possibility that some of them continue serving willingly, as eyes and ears for the rest of us.
Fair and honest elections in America anymore?
As the New York City cab driver said, “You can’t get there from here“. The Iranian people have a better chance of fair and honest elections in their future than we now do.
With the infamous Fulton county still part of Georgia, does anyone think Walker has more than a 1 or 2 percent chance of winning? Kari Lake was ahead 5-10 points in the polls and she lost.
I think dekalb county may be bigger problem for walker than fulton.
for comparison, look what happened to david perdue in 2021:
perdue was ahead for most of the night, then almost breakeven in fulton, but he was destroyed at the end of the night in dekalb county, hockey stick trend,suddenly all the votes in dekalb were supposedly Dem votes, drop and roll
Warlock got 94% of the vote in Dekalb Co. in the Nov election. That’s about a 220k vote delta. Hard to imagine anyone getting 94% of the vote.
Well. Finally, I now understand what the heck is really happening.
That Lake lawsuit darn well better claim that the following voters were disenfranchised: list all the races and age range, national origin, married, single, divorces, gay, trans, etc., disabled people, pregnant women, male/female genders, sexual orientation, and the ideologies of Rs, Ds & Indies, and all deceased Democrats.
This could be a game changer, but, Kari referenced they’d take it up to SCOTUS. This could be huge, if they actually won the suit.
I hope Sundance will post the filed Complaint. I’d really like to read it.
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I think all she will have to single out as a group is ‘senior citizens’ . . .
Not a lawyer but…does the equal protection clause not require each person’s voting rights be respected in some consistent manner?
Using Federal/State laws on Racketeering. Conspiracy to commit fraud, etc. Did they use communications outside the State most likely. Arrests charges and convictions on State/FederalState charges the same thing can happen, can they not. Ballot harvesting is illegal now, but I heard places were “advertising” they could “handle” your ballot etc. in AZ.
When the leaders do not investigate, and people see the rule of law is for thee and not I. Then the real fun begins
If people see they will go visit bubba and mean girls in the Pen, they will spill the beans. Financial ruin, exposure etc. If the rot is so deep that cannot fix it. What do people do all over the world.
Twitter is based in California, outside of Arizona.
Now we see why Soros concentrated all his money and efforts on State Legislators and State Judges, SOS and AGs. He really understood the Constitution and how to manipulate it.
….but the federal level…the Supreme Court…presented as the states…specifically Texas… as having no standing to challenge the 2016 election steal in states such as Pennsylvania which allowed changes to election laws not implemented by state legislatures in violation of state election laws….
Election fraud was clearly ALLOWED in Pennsylvania to the detriment of citizens of Texas by the Supreme Court of the United States…..clearly a violation of federal law..
The federal govt is corrupted …and a corrupted government is ckearly….
Illegitimate….
Sundance, I respectfully disagree. The US Constitution is FEDERAL LAW. Although it has often been misinterpreted by the SCOTUS, this particular issue has NOT been tested by the High Court. The pertinent FEDERAL law is two of the three clauses in the second sentence of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment:
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; … nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
I omitted the due process clause which is in the middle, because it is not pertinent here. The other two clauses provide TWO independent ways that AZ’s (and other states’) disenfranchising voters based on a category that the neither the SCOTUS nor any federal statute has “recognized” as “protected.”
First, under common law (on which the Constitution rests), voting is a PRIVILEGE of every U.S. Citizen, and AZ “shall [NOT] make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.” AZ egregiously violated this federal law.
Second, AZ has a legal duty to EQUALLY PROTECT all persons (including non-citizens) under its laws. Although this clause includes non-citizens, they lack the privilege of voting. AZ SHALL NOT “deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” AZ denied GOP voters the protection from disenfranchisement under it’s own election laws…. by CHEATING and hence VIOLATING ITS OWN ELECTION LAWS.
Thus, there are two independent legal grounds for the SCOTUS or the U.S. Military to overturn these corrupt certifications.
The 14th literally & figuratively is the cure?
“They” have abridged my immunities.
physical immunity with the forced Covid19 tyrannical restrictions, and my immunities to voter fraud because of all the measures “they “ put in place, like mail in ballots, and others like later judged to have broken their own state laws.
Lincoln was way smarter than all of us about tyranny
So,what you’re saying is that we are fried,dried,and tossed aside…. there’s no recourse here,, the scenario you paint is indeed unpalatable.. where there is no recourse for grievances…,,well, you figure it out
Howard Richman below identified the following way to sue in federal Court that States were violating the Constitution during elections.
He suspects that state elections could be overturned by showing that ballot harvesters have been violating the secret ballot provision of Title IV:
§ 452.97 Secret ballot.
(a) A prime requisite of elections regulated by title IV is that they be held by secret ballot among the members or in appropriate cases by representatives who themselves have been elected by secret ballot among the members. A secret ballot under the Act is “the expression by ballot, voting machine, or otherwise, but in no event by proxy, of a choice * * * cast in such a manner that the person expressing such choice cannot be identified with the choice expressed.” 47 Secrecy may be assured by the use of voting machines, or, if paper ballots are used, by providing voting booths, partitions, or other physical arrangements permitting privacy for the voter while he is marking his ballot. The ballot must not contain any markings which upon examination would enable one to identify it with the voter. Balloting by mail presents special problems in assuring secrecy. Although no particular method of assuring such secrecy is prescribed, secrecy may be assured by the use of a double envelope system for return of the voted ballots with the necessary voter identification appearing only on the outer envelope.
There is a report of 30,000 voters who had their zip codes changed, then mail-in ballots were mailed to them. Since they were undeliverable, the US Post Office did something with them. The zip codes were changed back leaving no record.
This would be fraud by the US Post Office, allowing federal charges.
I read this also, but the USPS does NOT rely on zip code alone for addresses. I have often been delivered mail where the zip code was wrong but was corrected by the USPS. This practice, if it occurred, might have accounted for some portion of the 30,000 ballots not being delivered, but probably NOT a large percentage!
The incorrect zip code envelopes were obviously sorted and put aside for further scrutiny. Someone was obviously waiting to “scrutinize” them. If they went to all that trouble in the first place, the intent is not to deliver that mail to the correct address.
Aloha, alora.
I would not be a member of any organisation that would accept me as a member, and would simply assume that at any meeting of any such militia, I would be the only one there, that wasn’t an FBI agent or C.I.
I suppose your plan is to,…say kidnap a prominent Dem,…say Governor Whitmer, right?
My only question is, what are you gonna say, when you make the call, and list your demands,…and they say “Well, no. But what would we have to do, for you to KEEP her?”
bye bye, bubela!
For the first time in almost 50 years a Republican was elected for Minnesota House in dist 3b.
The long time Democrat who held that job is calling for a recount, something she will get because the vote was very close.
I will be one of a handful of people handling and counting the ballots this Wednesday. Apparently this is another step in the process where cheating can take place, and mismarked ballots can be used to swing an election to one side or another.
This is the first time a Republican has won, and this is a major event to the conservative people in this socialist area.
Not a Herschel Walker or Kari Lake, but might as well be in this corner of the world.
I seem to recall a comedian winning a recount in MN after he had lost before the recount. I expect to see the same result here.
Yes, we got a comedian as one of our Senators.
The most pitiful thing for me is the fact that marked ballots found in a trunk after that election — ballots that should NOT have been counted but were allowed to be counted — were found down the road from where I live.
This is a socialist state. For sure.
Thanks for stepping in to be on site and part of the recount!
So, if all elections were federalized the way democrats wanted then this argument would be moot and SCOTUS could intervene in a fraudulent election.
Maybe in theory but certainly not in practice. Just remember that Mitch approved the last three Supreme Court nominations.
The under 30 years crowd pulled straight Dem votes at 70%
Awww shit…I bit a trolls baited hook…
Spit it out