It sounds obvious on its face, you cannot consider immigration reform as a spending bill, but that’s what the Democrats were attempting to do regardless of the constitutional limits. Immigration reform is not a spending issue, and the Senate parliamentarian has denied the scheme by Senate Democrats in their $3.5 trillion “human infrastructure” bill. (pic: migrant caravan)
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrats can’t use their $3.5 trillion package bolstering social and climate programs for their plan to give millions of immigrants a chance to become citizens, the Senate’s parliamentarian said late Sunday, a crushing blow to what was the party’s clearest pathway in years to attaining that long-sought goal.
The decision by Elizabeth MacDonough, the Senate’s nonpartisan interpreter of its often enigmatic rules, is a damaging and disheartening setback for President Joe Biden, congressional Democrats and their allies in the pro-immigration and progressive communities. It badly wounds Democrats’ hopes of unilaterally enacting — over Republican opposition — changes letting several categories of immigrants gain permanent residence and possibly citizenship.
The parliamentarian opinion is crucial because it means the immigration provisions could not be included in an immense $3.5 trillion measure that’s been shielded from GOP filibusters. Left vulnerable to those bill-killing delays, which require 60 Senate votes to defuse, the immigration language has virtually no chance in the 50-50 Senate.
In a three-page memo to senators obtained by The Associated Press, MacDonough noted that under Senate rules, provisions are not allowed in such bills if their budget effect is “merely incidental” to their overall policy impact. (read more)
Cue the death threats.
And attacks by the Antifa thugs.
Did you know?
The original Antifa was a paramilitary of the German Communist Party before WW2. It was involved in uprisings to try to topple the liberal government. The antifa ideology then became state ideology in East Germany. “Berlin wall” was officially called antifascist defense barrier.
Mass Psychosis: History is a powerful teacher.
That’s why the Democrats keep trying to rewrite it.
Funny, I was engaged with someone on this site the other day that was perfectly happy with the rewriting of history as it pertained to Lincoln. It’s not just Democrats endangering our national history.
Ha- wait till the Founding Fathers are “colorized”.
Oh, wait, you mean someone didn’t agree that Abe was a saint who did no wrong? Color me confused.
No, that hyperbole is pure ignorance, a cursory reading of history would open questions about many things that Lincoln did as President but to act as if he is the downfall of the Republic is ridiculous.
Unfortunately those that forget it, are doomed to repeat it. Over, Over and Over, dumbing down of the USA education has not helped.
In Latin-
Vita videtur repetere se
(Life seems to repeat itself)
Supposedly RINO AG Barr stopped PDJT from rightfully declaring them a terrorist org. They are Democrat owned and FBI steered
Defund the FBI, CIA, State Dept etc etc
Don’t just defund them. Obliterate them, Kennedy was going to do just that to the CIA.
They killed him before he could. No matter what else you might think of him, he meant it.
The State Department was misleading congress, during the African Wars, about the Soviet/Chinese/Cuban back marxist terrorists telling them they were not marxists, not terrorists, not committing atrocities, and they were not being controlled by the Soviets/Chinese/cubans. How did over 40,000 Cuban terrorist soldiers along with loads of equipment get to Angola on container ships from Cuba, and the CIA,FBI etc not know it and let it happen.
Poor Dag Hammarskjold. But yeah, State Dept, but with full malice aforethought by britain and france. In counterespionage efforts years ago I met some who had fought against the commies in rhodesia. Searing memories of their struggle. Our govts have been the agents of communism for .gt than a century.
Actually, the raving hook-nosed psychopath ordered it. Stepped down from his leadership position in that small illegal”country” to focus specifically on the hit. Surreally, two unrelated intel/listening post .mil types in our eu early 60’s listening posts intercepted communications related to the event and notified their superiors…who promptly told their inquisitive underlings to piss off and get back to work. One of the two was sent off to a psych ward for pursuing the matter further up the nato or usa.eu command structure. I’ve often wondered wtf ever became of that individual. Forrestal Patton Kennedy, etc… Forrestal took jfk to the potsdam conference though Forrestal himself had been disinvited by the treasonous p.o.s. that was .pres. The photos of jfk and Forrestal at the SS cemetery are poignant. They understood well.
…and the German patriots fought street by street, city by city, to retain their country.
Sturmabteilung. The Germans had their paramilitary wing, and we have ours. Time travel IS possible it seems.
These latter-day Nazi fighters, vainly in search of actual Nazis to fight, would be slaughtered if they ever ran up against an armed and belligerent foe. They mostly assault peaceful people unprepared for an attack.
They are kids playing a role. In Charlottesville they used wooden swords and cardboard shields. Antifa, BLM and the White Supremitists all arrived intermingled in a 6 bus convoy and were dropped off 3 blocks from the park. They all seemed to be getting along before on the buses.
The most radical were rehired for the next targets.
Just imagine the pressure she is under from the brown shirts. That’s real. Physical and violent. Robert’s buckled. Would love to meet her someday and shake her hand.
How did one person get so much power? Never heard of her till recently.
She got power when the dem communists decided to use their legislative power for ruthless power grabs. She just has to do what is right and legal to stop them. Think of the bribes they must have made to her.
Because in the past Congress followed parliamentary rules and the Constitution….for the most part.
Speaker Pelosi has invited Ms. MacDonough to a picnic lunch at Fort Marcy Park.
Who couldn’t see the Dimwods intent with their dangerous importation of potential voters through the southern border. Glad there’s a stumbling block to their scheming. Not only are they intent on importing voters, they’re servicing their great money source, Soros, who’s all about destroying America with open borders
Good, but will the hair sniffer in chief just issue yet another Executive Order?
Most definitely, they’re not done.
Immigrant invaders=Green house Gas emiters & polluters, yet the Demosheviks tells they want to reduce our Green House Gases and pollution. Mentally ill liars and traitors they really are
Green is the new Red
Watermelons, Green on the outside, Red in the inside.
Bingo!
“death rode in on a green horse”
Well, I think its a given Ms. McDonough will be on the no-invite list for Georgetown cocktail parties for quite a while. And I’m pretty sure some very unflattering gossip, etc. will begin to surface in the WaPo, NYT, CNN and associated Enemedia outlets.
No good deed goes unpunished.
That’s the least of her worries, wouldn’t you say?
Good point. I hadn’t considered the Seth Rich option.
I suspect the Democrats will fire the parliamentarian and hire one that can rule correctly.
From the article —
Citing sweeping changes that Democrats would make in immigrants’ lives, MacDonough, a one-time immigration attorney, said the language “is by any standard a broad, new immigration policy.”
What about the “sweeping changes” it would make to American citizens’ lives????
All well and good, but there is still the issue of the democrat party and the bulk of the republican party not giving a blast about any of the boundaries set forth in our constitution. They’ve demonstrated the ability and willingness to just bulldoze forward with their own agenda regardless of the will of the people and the rule of law. If any of them gave a shyte about us and our system of self government we would have never even come close to the overwhelming majority of the crap we’re dealing with. 100% of America’s problems lay at the feet of our so-called “representatives”. The money fueled corruption at the federal level is going to be the death of us all.
It will not be our death but enslavement to a regime.
Let me be the first to say the Elizabeth MacDonough did not kill herself.
Neither did the nice maria galicia whom I corresponded with regarding certain Papers in Panama. Lol, she didn’t kill herself either. Odd as hell that the Cliton’s trust was using the same wealth manager in P.C, Panama that I was at the time (Mos/Fonseca). Sure is odd that a week after con-gress (during trump term of service) expressed a desire to reopen the Papers in Panama investigation that Ms Galicia’s car rapidly disintegrated itself as she departed her son’s company. Ah, just local politics, nothing to do with our con-gress.
Commenters at various websites are saying the Senate can overrule the Parliamentarian with a simple majority vote. Does anyone know it that is true?
According to the February of 2021 article linked to below, over-ruling her would require 60 votes. That article concerns a similar bill via which the Democrats wanted to pass a minimum wage law…
For Senate rules arbiter, minimum wage is latest minefield (apnews.com)
If you can’t get past the paywall at that link, try the following one:
For Senate rules arbiter, minimum wage is latest minefield (https_apnews.com)
The pertinent part of the article is…
“As Democrats begin pushing Biden’s sweeping relief package through Congress, they’re using a special procedure that shields the bill from Senate Republican filibusters, which require 60 votes to thwart. That’s out of reach for Democrats in a 50-50 chamber they control with Vice President Kamala Harris’ tiebreaking vote.
But Senate rules require that items in such a bill must have a substantial budget impact that is not “merely incidental” to the language’s main intended purpose.”
Has anyone ever thought that the only way to get the Democrats to close the border is for Republicans to offer citizenship to every single illegal in the country and enters as long as Joe Biden has the border open?
If we become the one offering them citizenship, and they attain it, they’re free to vote for us and Democrats lose their stranglehold on them. This would give the Democrats a few options, none of which are good – expose that they never gave two you-know-whats about immigrants, or, become border hawks overnight.
Just a little strategery for you on this late eve.
Lots of issues with this strategery but, the most important one is that democrats no longer need their votes. They are importing them only because it helps the overall Cloward-Piven strategy to overwhelm the system and crash it as the best means of reorganizing this nation. Even that strategy may be out dated and no longer necessary. However, the importation of fresh labor alone might be deemed necessary considering the population reduction they are attempting. Regardless of the reasoning behind it, these people are obviously considered useful to them but, not for their votes anymore.
The dems don’t need reconciliation to get amnesty. There are plenty of Uniparty republicans that will vote with them.
Recall Trump offered DACA a path to citizenship and rejected by Pelosi and Schumer
Democrats are the most ignorant deceived people on the face of the earth. They would happily take that deal and as the domestic labor market finally collapsed into a Great Depression for tens of millions of Americans suffering from rapid stagflation while federal, state, and local governments found they could no longer keep up with the mass surge of non-entitlement and entitlement applications for government money; pick through trashcans looking for scraps like in Venezuela wondering why.
The Republicans started to do that and the people got angry, we had one successful primary that stopped the amnesty, Eric Cantor.
As others have said, the system is being flooded. We don’t need these people, how much money and space are all these new Afghans going to take and occupy? Look what has happened to our educational system and how many resources these people take? We didn’t need to have ESL in school before with new immigrants’ children. But yet, we have been in the last two or three decades. Our healthcare system flooded and who has to pay for them all? Taxpayers and property owners, and increased healthcare costs for us while they get it for free.
No thank you, don’t like this strategery at all.
Similar to threatening to expand the Supreme Court in order to get their decisions are made to prevent that? I can just see Justice Roberts shouting at the other eight that their votes will never count again. Our government is a joke and we are paying for it.
Since the Communist are determined to replace our culture I am.sure they will figure out a way to do just that. The only way to stop them is to stop them.
Interesting. Where was she when Obummercare was passed? What about the provision in the bill to allow the feds unfettered access to everyone’s bank accounts? I guess that could be a substantial funding mechanism for them and they are running out of other people’s money.
This is the second time she has broken Shumers heart this year. Can’t remember what the other was, maybe voting rights bur Shumer was pissed. She may be the only person in DC that plays by the rules.
She was not the parliamentarian when obamacare passed.
So a parliamentarian, a non-elected person, can tell them that, but GOP senators can’t or don’t or won’t vociferously tell them where to shove it.
It seems that the parliamentarian is only enforcing the rules that the senate, itself established and which the senators are unable to follow themselves.?
The Democrat senators are unable to win legally.
Millions of criminals will continue to hide in the shadows because of Republican opposition.
Democrats are upset, me, not so much.
Republican opposition stopped the Democrats, for some it’s always not enough, too late
and let’s change the subject.
The Uniparty(D) has has many opportunities to “grant amnesty”. It did not. Why would it?
The Uniparty leaves the southern border open to attract slave labor. Citizens do not make for good slaves.
It doesn’t matter. Demography is destiny and we’ve been overrun by cultures that are antithetical to the American one and people that refuse to assimilate.
Stick a fork in it. The dye was cast with INA 1965.
I don’t think John Wayne would have ‘stuck a fork in it’, Big Jake.
There’s plenty of other places to put that utensil.
Yes, and Little Teddy is burning in Hell.
CAUTION: congressmen may appear more buoyant than they actually are.
Isn’t that #2 of the 3 things that fixes the USA?
-Tack on “freeway bypass” pork onto defence bills is illegal in the rest of the English speaking govt world.
Not in America.
-Lobbyists can legally bribe Congressmen and Senators with PAC “donations” ….and share tips. Insider trading is legal if you are one of those categories.
Nowhere else.
-K Street actually, really, no BS, writes the legislation.
The lobbyists write what they want. Nowhere else in the English speaking world does that corruption happen. Parliaments have legislative drafting departments, no gold cufflinks are involved.
And the most important thing to fix the US’s degenerate legal system is: litigating loser pays all legal costs for both parties.
The US then fixes its silly, adolescent legal system overnight.
You’d not like to pay costs and fees if you were hailed into court on a fraudulent charge of personal injury brought against you by an organization of criminal people complete with physicians, therapists, DME hawkers, lawyers, cops and, of course, the lawsuit collar and oxygen mask wearing poor widdle vicky-timmies. Imagine that, and all of these criminals are getting a cut of the “settlement and/or verdict” you will be stuck with before going out and doing it again, and again, and again. Happens all of the time in Florida. And that is why our auto insurance rates are sky-high.
President Trump is going to need to deport all of these invaders in his second term.
They will all eventually vote.
Coulter understands this exactly.
The only thing that matters today in the USA is legal and illegal 3rd world immigration designed to capture the vote.
Everything else is distraction.
Nope. State legislators showed you don’t need voters. Just an internet connection to add or subtract all the votes they want.
They want illegals for back drops.
Illegal voting will eventually be fixed….4 years, 16 years.
The bodies matter, they know it.
Strangers in your own country.
As much as I despise president iron house, at least he rounded up and deported a good number of them, “Operation WetBack” or some such…
Trump will not be President again. Congress won’t allow it.
Correct.
There are many here who think the audits have some potential earth shattering result…after they prove fraud won it for Dementia Man.
They don’t and they won’t.
And Maricopa county just reordered more Dominion machines.
I heard Stark county Ohio also ordered Dominion!
“Trump will not be President again. ”
Trump loves to prove people wrong.
If he runs he will win again.
And it’s only been 9 months!!!! It’s sickening!
Deport, deport, deport!
Oh good grief! Judge Emmet Sullivan strikes again to do BHO’s bidding.
From Mexico News Daily on Friday…
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/thousands-of-migrants-converge-on-ciudad-acuna-coahuila/
During the Trump and Biden administrations, migrants who have reached the United States have routinely been expelled to Mexico under a health order put in place at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic. But a U.S. district judge ruled Thursday that the order is unlawful because expelling asylum seekers denies them “the opportunity to seek humanitarian benefits” they are entitled to under immigration law.
Handed down by Judge Emmet Sullivan, the ruling takes effect in 14 days. However, it applies only to families and not single adults, who represent a sizable portion of migrants recently detained by the USBP.
What about if they are seeking asylum, they need to go to the nearest safe country? That is not the United States!
I’m sick of this bullcrap!
Is ICE been disbanded yet under this administration?
This is the same federal distict judge in DC who tortured Lt Gen Mike Flynn at Obama’s behest.
This is an Obama directive. Count on it.
Yes, I know who he is, I hope it’s taken up higher than him.
Who knew that the parliamentarian has more power than the cabal that could steal an election and set up a dictator with a rubber stamp congress? Forget Trump. Let’s get more parliamentarians.
‘Forget Trump’
Why?
‘Let’s get more parliamentarians’.
Excellent idea.
But you’d have to have a Prime Minister / Parliamentary system….not a semi Royal President.
It would fix the overt corruption in the US system, but do you really care?
RINO grifters are ready to push the U.S. much farther into debt to enrich themselves on PACs, stock tips, and to gormandize themselves.
They aren’t colossally ignorant, utterly deceived, vicious, immoral leftards like Democrats.
No, just an amoral common rabble of grifters really… like the carpet baggers after the Civil War.
It’s frightening that our countries fate is decided by a parliamentarian. I’m surprised Nancy hasn’t dismissed her. Imagine what leftists would do if they had a “Joe Biden” type of parliamentarian. Crazy stuff!
“ millions of immigrants a chance to become citizens”
So, it wasn’t just the Dreamers, it was the whole lot!
Why can’t they do a “parliamentary action” on that damn IRS proposal on accounts over $600? Do we call our Senators on this? What do we do? I heard they already passed it and it’s back to the House.
I don’t know how all my post became italic because I copied and pasted the quote!
Meanwhile at the southern border….
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They weren’t born on U.S. soil, were they?
Hahahahahahahahahaha
From the AP link above:
“A path to permanent residency and citizenship has a significant budgetary impact, great bipartisan support, and above all it is critical to America’s recovery,” said Kerri Talbot, deputy director of the Immigration Hub
If there is so much bipartisan support, why not a standalone amnesty bill?
Republicans allowed, in many cases facilitated and cheered, a criminal coup. They will, of course, allow anything the Left commands them to allow. The “price tag” on these suicidal monstrosities is utterly irrelevant – everyone knows it. But we have to keep pretending that the system isn’t run by and for The Criminal Class.
Interesting that she interned at the Immigration and Naturalization Service and then worked at the DOJ handling immigration cases. ?
Like this matters to them
Don’t worry it will be reworded and it will pass we all know it and they know we cant stop them.
So we are to supposed to think that the democrats won’t break the rules?
Oh yeah now the bill is PERFECT ?♀️? this was probably purposely done in order to pass this instant bankruptcy inducing boondoggle
The pic says a lot- where is that locale point?
There is a God.
Truly good news, and yet the AP describes this as if it was a bad thing …
Take a moment to consider the sort of person who would even try such a maneuver. Big policy changes are supposed to be moved forward with a broad consensus, not rammed through with trickery. Reveals a complete disregard for the spirit of representative government. Even the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery passed the Senate 38-6, in regular order, without the need to change the rules or cheat the systems.
I thank God for Elizabeth MacDonough and her unerring integrity and respect for the Constitution and the law! I pray for more people of integrity, reverence and respect for our Constitution and rule of law.
De facto.
Remember laws are for the other people.
None of this mattered, though, when they pushed through ObamaCare.
Elizabeth MacDonough is a complex phenomena . Corruptocrat Harry Reid’s intern as a teenager she has lived a charmed life during her career within the Capitol. You never see her name mentioned without a reference to how fair and “calls them right down the middle” she is.
I don’t trust her one bit. She throws Republicans a bone now and then when the Democrats act like their usual self and blow off all the rules such as this Immigration Bill within an appropriation bill, but after the softballs, she will throw a beaner to destroy a major Republican bill by a discretionary call about whether to invoke the 2/3 rule or not or say something needs 60 votes to pass instead of 51,
Everyone blames McCain for not voting with the Republicans to take down funding O’Bama Care panels but it was MacDonaugh’s ruling that set the bar so high.
“During the 2015 congressional effort to partially repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), MacDonough ruled the provision that would roll back the Independent Payment Advisory Board disqualified the 2015 package from consideration as a reconciliation bill in the Senate under the Byrd Rule, which requires that reconciliation bills must have a budgetary effect. Rather than the simple, filibuster-free 51-vote majority required to pass a reconciliation bill, the 2015 package would require a 60-vote threshold to pass in the Senate, which effectively killed the legislation in the Senate, as Republicans did not hold the requisite votes.[8][9] Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) commented MacDonough should be fired or ignored,” -Wikipedia
MacDonough functions as a QuickStop/ 7-11 version of the Supreme Court for the alligators in the Senate who sing her praises and feign outrage when she declares a hit into the stands behind the catcher to be a foul ball. It was she functioning as the handmaiden of Traitor Pence during the Electoral College and who grabbed the Ballots for her personal safekeeping during the Jan 6 Capital incursion. Her position isn’t even in the Constitution.
That particular ruling is galling because the Democrats PASSED the ACA on budget reconciliation, so to repeal it in exactly the same way is only fair.
It takes 51 votes to destroy healthcare, but 60 to undo the damage.
Actually the DIMs have destroyed healthcare starting since about Feb 2020, and they are crushing whatever is left this year.
Hospitals are shutting down wings and some are talking of closing. And just last year they were essential workers and heralded as heroes.
Now they can’t keep their medical or other staff, can’t get life saving drugs, have to serve the illegals but not the unvaxxed, and are told they will lose their licenses if they complain.
Delusional Joe and his maladministration are crushing it. The takeover is almost complete.
I’m sure the uniparty leaders chuck, Nancy, Mitch and Kevin are in the back room closet trying to figure out another way.
Look at that photo! Who says Biden can’t draw a crowd? I can’t wait for this moron and his criminal administration to be removed from office.
He only leaves by death and then becomes a D voter “for life”.
While America has been super busy watching the Batchelor, the View, Jimmy Kimmel, Netflix, the Tiger King, NFL, NBA , Twitter, Facebook, etc. the uniparty has been stealing our country and our freedoms. It’s that simple. We need to knock that schit off and get back to the job of defending our Republic.
Rules? Thats for serfs.
Congress has ignored the distinction between rulers and representatives. A change is coming.
One of my favorite lines:
“Many undocumented persons live and work in the shadows of our society out of fear of deportation,” she said. Permanent legal status would grant them “freedom to work, freedom to travel, freedom to live openly in our society in any state in the nation, and to reunite with their families and it would make them eligible, in time, to apply for citizenship — things for which there is no federal fiscal equivalent.”
That, she wrote, “is tremendous and enduring policy change that dwarfs its budgetary impact.”
They believe in freedoms, for illegals.
And this one:
MacDonough was appointed in 2012 when Democrats controlled the chamber and is respected as an even-handed arbiter of Senate rules.
Earlier this year, one of her rulings forced Democrats to remove a minimum wage increase from a COVID-19 relief bill, killing another top progressive priority.
I also tho’t it hilarious that they said it had bipartisan support in several lines, usually from an illegal alien head hunter, and then pointed out all the ways that the Rs were allegedly holding their crap policies back.
Bummer year so far. 🙂 They’ve also lost a lot of court cases. Keep it up!
#CutCongressionalCreditCardsNOW
#EndUnlimitedSpendingOnTheHill
#BringDownThatWallAtThePeoplesHouse
Escape hatch for the Dems. Many would not have voted for it if amnesty was in the bill. Kelly and Sinema among them. Happy amnesty not in the bill, but ironically, it could be a plus in getting the rest of the bill passed.
Recall that in 2001, the Pentagon found $3 Trillion was missing.
During the “Bulkans Crisis” under the Clintons … the US Army was ordered to “road march” a sizable force from Germany to the Bulkans. A survey and recon of the routes showed there was a major need for a massive amount of INFRASTRUCTURE work needed between Germany and area of operation. Plus, a massive similar effort was needed in the area of operations.
An INFRASTRUCTURE Program was started.
Then there were INFRASTRUCTURE Programs put in place to improve the new republics formed from Yugoslavia, during the same period.
Notice the key word…INFRASTRUCTURE. Sound familiar?? As in the $2-4 Trillion of INFRASTRUCTURE was poured into Afghanistan during Comrade Obama’s Term in office.
How much INFRASTRUCTURE money is being proposed for the new US INFRASTRUCTURE Reconciliation spending request?? $4 Trillion.
It’s time to remember what we are up against again, except now it seems at least 20x worse.
Immigration Battle
A FILM BY SHARI ROBERTSON & MICHAEL CAMERINI
20 Oct 2015
Film
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/immigration-battle
Transcript
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/immigration-battle/transcript
Remember the traitors to the American People. 68 votes. That was allegedly for 11 MILLION illegal aliens too.
Senate Passes Landmark Immigration Reform Bill
27 Jun 2013
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/bipartisan-senate-majority-passes-immigration-reform
Also never forget, it is not our immigration system that is broken, and never was. It is enforcement that is broken. If you don’t like it, don’t come here. PERIOD. End of story.
Yes, we have thigs to fix, like the lottery and the whole welfare to illegals and other immigrants. That is beyond the pale. That you would come here illegally and then expect us to pay your way too. Ridiculous in any country.