On Thursday, at 5:00pm ET, the installed occupant of the White House, Joe Biden, will announce the latest U.S. Government approach to COVID mitigation which is anticipated to carry more mandated vaccination requirements. The details are not yet known; however, we can judge the approach by looking toward two specific allied nations who have been conducting the beta test on behalf of, and in coordination with, the U.S. State Department and the U.S. Intelligence Branch of government. The Biden plan is reported to be a six prong approach.
The vaccine passport approach, triggered by France, seems to be the most likely scenario that Biden and the DoS will follow. The monitoring, tracking, and rules against non-compliance for vaccine mandates will likely come from the approach being deployed in Australia. The U.S. version tenuously has to avoid the pesky issues with constitutional limitations on government that are not present in France or Australia; so our version will likely be a blend of the two systems.
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The mandatory vaccine passports will most likely follow the merging of Government and Corporate world. In olden days, this was called Fascism; however, with the Antifa foot soldiers of the FBI acting as brownshirt operatives to obfuscate the historical record, they will not use the same terminology.
The enforcement mechanism will come from a similar merge of Government with Big Tech. However, the Australian model of geolocation, QR codes and the cell phone app for check-in, verification of vaccinated status and monitoring of U.S. citizens in a central database, will likely not pass U.S. constitutional muster if challenged. It will be interesting to see how the federal government will propose the “enforcement” mechanism.
Joe Biden is a disposable front-man for the people organizing the objective, so they don’t have to worry about political damage. The Biden term was designed for a single set of four-year rapid advancements for the Democrat Socialist agenda. The Biden poll ratings and favorability, or lack therein, do not factor into the plan of action; those issues are irrelevant. The announcement will come at 5:00pm ET from the State Room in the White House.
time to go off the grid my friends…
Already there, amigo!
Galt’s Gulch is a real thang, now. Ya`ll better come on in!
Umm… if you’re reading this and posting, you’re literally on the grid.
Tactically mobile
Off-the-gridism is the latest flavor of American escapism. We have a moral obligation to reclaim the Republic we allowed through indolence (and yes, escapism) to slip away from us. Burrowing into some bolthole is a fantasy. We have a moral obligation to the world, if not our own children, to help clean up the Deep State monstrosity we allowed to metasticize through 70 years of derelicted civic duty.
What always seems to be lacking in the standard Patriot-Prepper narrative is a sense of culpability for the Beast System incubated HERE, then unleashed upon the world.
My thoughts exactly, very well said.
The biggest issue with change is the simple fact the average voter refuses to accept any responsibility for the current predicament we find ourselves in. For example. The level of ignorance still surrounding Covid. These people were locked down for over a year and never used any of that time to actually do research?
No matter how you look at it, it’s not good. Either {A) they never even bothered to question the narrative that forced them into their homes and allowed themselves to be labeled as ‘non-essential”. Or (B) they are willfully ignorant.
it would seem to me most would rather abandon the republic in some foolish belief they will be left to their own devices and can just hide out in the mountains in peace….
I go with #2….I thought people who were smart are dumber than a box of hammers AND that includes ones in the medical profession….WOWZA…
trying to explain HOW masks don’t work and I get (get ready for it):
“I was an operating room nurse and I wore a mask all the time”!!!!
I get that from my RN granddaughter all the time. I’m only allowed to visit my great grandson through a window- so I don’t.
Great comment!
That narrative they didn’t question was coming from the White House under the Trump administration.
Trump was also calling for an end and reopening much sooner than the fear-purveyors. I think he was fooled by a situation far outside his wheelhouse (you can’t negotiate with a virus) and relied on “experts” such as the once-respected CDC and NIH. In spite of that, his gut reactions were often correct, such as using HCQ early. Even then, he had the entire power-hungry establishment and their mouthpieces disputing him. I wish he had had stronger alternate voices on his covid team. But with the array of forces including censorship opposing those voices, I am not sure he could have put a stop to the mass hysteria that arose and continues from the fear-porn.
Agreed
Hear, here!
I don’t think “pointing fingers” is the answer. I do NOT accept the fault. The people who did this have been working their Master Plan for decades in the shadows and then recently out in the open. If there is any fault to be assigned I suggest that it is that We Failed to stop the Leftists/ Progressive/ Democratic Socialists program from succeeding. We tried and failed. We elected President Donald J. Trump to stop their inexorable progress, and it worked for 4 years. Then they cheated to steal the 2020 election and here we are back in the maelstrom.
As far as “off-the-gridism” I recommend we look at the trajectory of the Authoritarian Left – when they gain power, they use it and abuse it. Their Demands and Mandates only increase, become more Oppressive and Intolerable. At some point as the Totalitarianism becomes more Coercive and Brutal the only solution is to grab your “bug out bag” and head for the hills.
Not that I’m against that, but let’s just see what the cranial-challenged occupier has to read first.
Living in a blue state, I can assure you that even Dem’s aren’t buying this administration’s crap. Trying to force people to do things they refuse to do isn’t going to be so easy.
Seems to be working swimmingly so far.
They will use economic leverage to jam us into a corner. We will then be forced to comply or fight.
Most will comply.
Ok, Nostradowner. Might as well give up now and turn yourself in.
As for me and my kind, we’ll be forging a different path. You’re welcome to join if you change your mind.
Welcome to moderation….again. Some people are slow to learn.
It’s not my fault you can’t see the train about to bowl you over.
He sees it. He’s on their side.
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If you can’t seem to get along on some random web site the fight is already lost. Each of you acting as if you know it all and the other is clueless. You should always enter and real debate and conversation with the belief the other person might know something you don’t.
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Nice attack PJ. Clever name calling. Now maybe offer a counterpoint to Jake’s opinion.
Thank you, Oldschool.
*salute*
There was no attack, and I’d already made my point clear. You obviously don’t like it for whatever reason, and seem to have a personal animus toward me for unclear reasons.
Your replies are particularly nasty, and it seems you are stirring the pot and fueling divisions among commenters. Thank you for being obvious.
Wow, do we see things differently. While I may not agree with all your opinions, I have enjoyed many of your posts over the years and share your opinions more times than not . I am unaware of ever being personally disrespectful towards you or anyone here. If I have, I apologize. If you would like to refer me to replies that are “nasty”, I will consider that. I don’t see legitimate disagreement as being nasty, especially if it is honest and not personal.
I always do my best to debate or dissent on the issue and not the person. Rereading your reply to jake, I still see”nostradowner” as personal name calling, which does nothing to further a respectful debate. Just as your reply to me is personal. I hold no personal animus towards you which may be the reason you find it “unclear”.
We all have bigger fish to fry. Let’s respectfully disagree.
I am with you P.J.
The pushback will be strong.
Even up here in “ wimpy “ Canada or so many Americans believe.
Millions are pushing back, and ever so strongly.
They have the MSM and many agencies, but not the vast majority of the people.
Our movement here is quite something to behold. My money is on the day to day folks I run into that are incensed.
We’ll see, but I know I ain’t quitting.
I watched a video last night on the desolation of Lower Manhattan.
It was real, and dystopian.
Sparkle Socks was stoned with rocks recently.
Indeed. It would be one thing if Joe were having success else where…ANYWHERE….but it’s a sh*t show everywhere thanks to this Chinese regime and their puppet.
Indeed what?
You people continue to see the “failures” of the Bidet* regime as a bug. They’re not. They’re a feature.
This is by design.
All of it.
Indeed even blue staters are tired of this virus crap. That was the topic. The mood of the blue states. I’ve always said the Dem destruction is a feature….a feature even his base is fed up with .
And yet nothing will change. Indeed, the Republican’ts will merrily go along with nary a platitude in opposition.
The leftward ratchet grinding us toward Perdition will continue.
They don’t care about winning the whole thing at once. They just go for the next bite of the apple. Relentlessly.
That’s why they win.
We shall see won’t we. I can tell you this, America has never been pushed like this before if this is indeed what JB plans on doing. I’m sure its something along those lines Psaki said today stricter mandates. How strict guess we’ll know tomorrow. But we better be prepared for anything. And I mean anything. My hands are sweating as I type this and I am pissed.
Luke- I posted something similar last night when I saw the video of Nurse Ratchet Pissaki.
I have been fighting the mandates since the Covid Coup started including almost getting arrested by the local cops who had illegally roped off a riverfront park.
You know the drill I am sure. I don’t mind not being able to fly or see a show or go to a gym.
But I cannot afford to lose my life savings and my property or be put in prison if it comes to that.
I have been a freedom fighter and taxpayer advocate for most of my adult life.
My enemies would like nothing better than to see me and my fellow warriors locked up or shut down.
I will fight this however I can but I do admit this is getting scary.
I think that what flipped them out was seeing all those kids at the college games, in the stadium without masks, jumping around and having a great time.
Clearly there ARE millions of us who are saying the ScamDEMic is OVER.
Now let’s see if we can hold the line!
FU Biden triggered them. NO is listening to him. They have to do something.
Seneca I sincerely share your concerns.
The folks I know are like me in that they are angry, and know the system.
Cops, Nurses retired and active.
Plumbers, social workers, grocery store clerks, small business owners.
Even a few leftist fringe types.
We are connected in person and at rallies.
If you are so inclined check out Rocco Gallati he is a famous Canadian lawyer.
He is presently representing some very strong groups that are against these lies.
There are not enough LEOs to control those stadiums of people no matter Foucault’s wishful Panopticism. Although I have been surprised by the viciousness of some people I know personally who no doubt would sign up to be the block “syndic” as described by Foucault.
https://www.foucault.info/documents/foucault.disciplineAndPunish.panOpticism/
I agree with you. My only concern is that, as I’ve said before, we’ve been conditioned to be decent and tolerant to the point of national suicide.
Down here in the Rio Grande Valley we should be lining the border with citizen militiamen armed with rifles to stop the invasion since our government won’t. Yet we do not.
That tells you everything.
I’m simply pointing out that the Founders would have been in open revolt by now.
Aren’t there miles and miles of vacant unoccupied acreage along the RGV?
Indeed even blue staters are tired of this virus crap.
PROVE IT.
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Actually no both side are suppose to provide their facts but text has always been a little short when it comes to debate
Right
Prove a negative?
I live in suburbs of one of the bluest sh!tholes in the world (Chicago).
I am the ONLY person that has not followed King Prickster mask mandate. Everyone here worships Joebama, Fauci, Lightfoot and Prickster.
Idiots here will be ecstatic to follow 6 more stupid rules!
Slam dunk mate!
That’s not how it works. Thanks for playing.
Perhaps they are fed up, but “feeling” fed up has not translated into any action to stop this sh!t show. And that comes from all sides. It isn’t about Biden (never was) or even the dems. It’s about us. Everyday that we follow their mandates, we make it harder on ourselves.
Example: The masks. If people had refused to wear masks, the vaccine would just be another flu shot. As it is, the vaccine is close to becoming law.
If we roll over for the vaccine, who knows what will happen next? The time to resist is now.
The mask was soooo simple to resist. Tried numerous times here to initiate a “maskless” date. Got zero traction. Not a good indicator of any future resistance. They will stomp on individual resisters.
This is not a flu shot, the mRNA technology is entirely different. It’s never been proven to be a success… all animal tests, they died. Flu shots don’t change your DNA.
We all must fight if we want a future.
mRNA doesn’t “change your DNA” either. It’s bad in this situation for other reasons but that’s not one of them.
I don’t see what the problem is between you and PJ. I assume that YOU’RE BOTH HERE looking for lucidity. Find the common ground and be willing to meet there. We need all patriots. Respectfully, I like both of you and value your opinion.
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What is WRONG with you? You’re claiming a personal problem with me, but I barely recognize your handle. Seems like you and oldschool have something going on, but please leave me out of it! Personal attacks seem to be your forte.
You got it !!????
It was a feature with P44 and Bush.
But it was hidden, and the Uniparty was like the Unicorn it didn’t exist.
Well we know it does.
The anger I witness against this tyranny is exhilarating.
Sure there are lots of sheep around.
But they will be sadly disappointed.
“ Nae surrender”
I can assure you that even Dem’s aren’t buying this administration’s crap.
Uh, more than half the country is lining up to buy MORE OF THIS CRAP.
KY Governor sure is buying this crap. Daughter told us lat night he’s telling the vaccinated family members to go after the unvaccinated to get the jab, even though the vaccines don’t work.
Those are the facts FM. Here in PA all complying again with mask mandates in school. Started Tuesday.
IMO, this was done because when school opened, last week, some schools made it optional. Told my grandkids this was finally a great opportunity for head to head studies on school districts with/without masks. But no, we can’t have that tid bit revealed. Literally after 2 days of school, Wolfe declared the mandate. Teachers told students that the COVID cases were rising in school. IN 2 DAYS???? I asked my grandaughter how many kids in her class got COVID, none. Even according to THEIR website, cases did not rise last week.
The sheep all got the masks out and put the kiddies on the buses to “camp”. Kuddos to the high schoolers, they wore red in protest.
The schools are the worst. The only place anyone wears masks in my red county in a blue state is in school. Teachers suck. They are the fascist foots soldiers.
Yep, teachers by and large are the worst.
There are of course a few exceptions but they are in the minority.
I personally know of a long time Repub who went to Target to get a booster (3rd shot) so she could go to colorado without worrying about getting covid. She thought it was a little wierd no one really questioned her but that was no barrier to her. She had fever greater than 102 for 2 days but she is fine now and looking forward to her trip.
Trying to force people to do things they refuse to do isn’t going to be so easy.
Name which things libs and Dems have refused to do so far. Not be under house arrest? Not wear a face muzzle? Not not go to work? Not not close and lose their businesses? Not take experimental gene therapy ‘vaccines’?
Francis,
JMO, you are absolutely right about most of the blue states and cities ………. but you seem to miss the most recent indication from one of the largest blue states that the citizens have had enough….. that is the recall election in CA.
Also, some of the most active school board meetings have occurred within the past few months in CA.
Has the “worm turned”? Not sure, but what is sure is that it will. Americans love their freedom and will not give it up …. they will try to be good citizens but “enough is enough”.
Be well.
Good example of pushback. Will it work? Has the “worm turned”? Not sure, but certainly not sure that Americans won’t give up their freedoms. We already have. For 20 years we disrobe, get scanned with naked silouettes for all to see, hop around barefooted and forced to throw out whatever TSA deems that day, for the pretense of safety. They say “jump”, we say “how high”. What we won’t give up is our comforts and frills and therein lies the problem. People are literally getting vaxxed to get into entertainment venues or to fly to a vacation destination. It’s all good.
Well let’s see what happens when those who got vaxxed for those reasons – or in fact any reason -start getting sick in droves.
I suspect it will be a little like the old maxim that a conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged.
After 8 months of vaxxes to over 100 million people, nothing points in that direction and I certainly hope no one “gets sick in droves”.
Not endorsing the vax, at all, just stating the facts as I see them.
People are getting sick NOW and yet the mandate madness rages on.
Not totally true. I just no longer fly so I guess that is my giving up but I truly enjoy driving; so I do.
Agree not in totality, but too many. Like you, we don’t fly anymore, but many will succumb so they can.
Mail in votes have sealed it for Newsome.
They happily do whatever they are told and then work hard to virtue signal and guilt everybody else into it.
Has push come to shove and nudge come to chokehold? When Sundance tells us what’s coming will we be sunshine patriots or will we do the hard thing? That is what each of us must decide.
We shall see, but in my area I’m not seeing people complying. Not even the Dem’s. People generally think the Covid scare is a load of B.S. and they are fed up.
PJ- sad to say but living in Demo Commie NY as I do, I will never cease to wonder at how many people fell for the ScamDEMic hook, line and sinker.
I would say the majority. I know way too many Trump voters who are blaming unvaxxed for everything. They say they know it’s a hoax, power grab, control, but then say “You know, we just want to be safe and we’ll wear a mask. No big deal” “Yes, I got vaxxed because my great aunt who I see once every five years is compromised”.
Brilliant, now they’re compromised too . . .
When the Wuhan thing first began to rise, and I heard about the Indian researchers who said it was an engineered virus — I knew the world was going to turn to Crap – because I’d been waiting to see what 2020 would be like for some years — because of how much 2020 – 2040 has come up in items out of the UN + Think Tank Crowd…
I backed out of a contract to go back overseas for good $. I started stockpiling mid-term food supplies in anticipation of an eventually Mask Mandate at work I would not comply with.
I also — closed down all my Cloud Accounts — including subscriptions to things like MS Word — and got rid of Facebook + other Social Media Accounts — and got rid of my cellphone.
Having not lived in my hometown for a long time as I worked overseas – now that I’m back home for good – it was not hard to — simplify my life down to the bone…
I am not going to comply.
It gets much worse from here.
They aren’t even warming up yet…..
Unfortunately most will have no choice but compliance–unless they intend to do battle.
Hunger is a powerful motivator.
We shall soon find out if the American Spirit is alive or just a dim memory.
In the meantime, keyboard warriors like PJ will talk tough and hurl condescension/insults, completely oblivious to what is swirling around them.
Agreed.
I won’t be doing battle, though, for a variety of reasons.
If I were some years younger. If I had taken a different path and had adult children and young grandkids like my old friends. If I weren’t a Christian who believes the Bible is supposed to be my guide. —- maybe I’d go to battle. I might be pushed to it anyway + just don’t see it yet….
but most likely, no.
I’m at a more unique position than most people. I’m not going to be losing as much as them as this Tyranny rises… I already live a very simplified life…
But, I’ll choose to go to Prison or be thrown in some camp before I choose to fight back.
There are too many instances in the Bible that I believe tell us — God’s Ideal is for us to — endure rather than fight back.
For me, the example set by the 1st Christians – those closest to the Apostles + Jesus + their teachings — who were being persecuted by Rome + Nero —– is the one I plan to follow….
I can’t remember ever meeting another Christian who agrees with me on this — so I’m sure the vast majority of readers will disagree with me on it.
I do not see it as either/or.
To me, in the New Testament, you find in general 3 categories of Actions:
Turn the Other Cheek. Do not resist evil. Do not worry about the future + how your necessities will be met. and so on.
The Early Christians impressed many viewers in the Coliseum by how they died at the hands of Rome’s Tyranny against them. They didn’t cower in fear. They didn’t beg for their lives. They didn’t square up to fight to the death. — They sang songs of worship + like Stephan – the 1st martyr – they begged God for forgiveness of the people who were turning the lions + bears + other wild beasts against them + prayed God would open their eyes to His Truth….
I don’t know if I can live up to that standard, but that is the Ideal I’m looking at.
(That does not mean I think fighting back is condemned by God.)
This is a true Biblical, true Christ like view of the current state of affairs. If anyone of the apostles had any reason to fight against Rome, it was Paul. Yet not once in any of his writings did he announce plans to fight Rome, or encourage believers to take up arms to remove the occupying foreign army from their land.
Only the most dedicated saints can follow that path in today’s evil cauldron that used to be America. For others it will be an enormous temptation to use the sword they sold their cloak to buy.
No Christian I’ve talked to along these lines has ever agreed with me like you have.
God’s Ideal in this regard is so against the grain of our natural Human Instincts, a lot of the people who have even read the Bible can’t bring themselves to say — this is what the Bible teaches…
Fighting back seems just so natural…
And like I said – I doubt God condemns fighting back.
Look at what Jesus said about Divorce — He said, in God’s eyes, Divorce for any reason other than infidelity was wrong/less than ideal, but because He understood our weak natures, the Mosaic Law He gave us allows it. Sounds contradictory, but it isn’t. God has an Ideal Standard but knows we can’t live up to it — which is why Jesus offered Himself as the sacrifice to cleanse us…
God’s Ideal is to not fight back – but – He understands the Average Christian is far more likely to follow their natural instinct + accepts fighting back as an acceptable alternative.
I do find it hard to understand why the Average Christian can’t see this, because we do have the examples of the 1st Christians including some mentioned in the New Testament like Stephan + Paul…
Nero’s reign of terror was so bad – it was the template which Prophecy about the End Times Tyranny refers to. That the future Tyranny at the end of our current age will be like in the days of Nero but worse….
So, how did the 1st Christians react to that tyranny? What were they taught about how they should react to it…?
I agree. I continue to shake my head at the multiude of Christians who say we need to take our country back. They do not seek to undersrand the end times. Jesus said to build His kingdom, which is not of this world. He could care less about politics. He cares about eternity. Heaven and earth shall pass away but His word will remain forever. The Christians who are saying to rise up and take the country back are in rebellion and rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. I could also mention Romans 13. I know where I will spend eternity so why worry about my time on this earth. When it is done, it is done.
And yet, if Christians in England hadn’t fled and fought to claim this country, there would have been no America. So, according to your philosophy, we should not have fought WW1 & 2? Must be nice living in “peace” because others fought for it.
Many wars and battles are spoken of in the Bible, in fact, ordered by God. Anything worth having, is worth fighting for.
You’re trying to reason with cowards.
So, Jesus was a coward?
The early Christians were cowards?
Good to know how much you despise what the Bible teaches….
Must be nice living in “peace” because others fought for it.
Amen.
True in part, the Pilgrims and Puritans came here fleeing oppression. Their progeny fought….after a major revival…but that was by then as much political as it was over spiritual issues. What I am most certain of is that they took all those actions after much more seeking of God’s leading than any of us today. Prayer, fasting, repentance, imploring, and scripture and soul searching marked their lives before decisive action.
I know why they came, my ancestors from both of my parents were on the Mayflower.
Also, one of my ancestors was the last person to be burned at the stake in Litchfield England because he refused to bow to the king’s “religion”.
I know.
It’s not his Philosophy. It’s straight out of the New Testament.
I’ve had this debate a number of times in the past.
Why do Christians who find this so objectionable — never quote passages from the Bible to prove their Fighting is Right position?
Why do they avoid teaching me how I’m wrong in how I read the passages of the Bible I quote/note to show why I think the way I do?
If you don’t refute me by pointing to specifics in the Bible – you are just wasting both of our time….
Use the “find on page” feature + look for “iggy” to see the comments where I noted specific Bible passages for the “Turn the Other Cheek” philosophy you find so objectionable….
Yes, the Bible teaches, God ordered the Jewish Leaders + Jewish people to use military force to invade the Promised Land. He even ordered them to kill every single person in some tribes in that land – man, woman, and child.
Did I say God was a Pacifist…?
Can you show me where I wrote that Fighting Back against Injustice is Condemned by God…?
Can any of the 20 people who upvoted your comment — show me where I said the Bible teaches that anyone who fights back against injustice is condemned by God…?
I don’t think God condemns those who Fight to defend themselves or even Fight for God – but the Bible is clear – it is not what a Perfect Christian would do.
I think the best parallel to see what I mean is what the New Testament teaches about Marriage:
Both Jesus + Paul + maybe others in it say — The Best – most Ideal – way to live is — Unmarried + Celibate (no sex).
That – if you have a Spouse + Children, you will naturally devote much of yourself to their well-being.
God does not disapprove of that. But, if you are Single + Celibate – you can devote yourself more to God. You are less Worldly + more Spiritual.
But – the Bible says – very few people can live that way faithfully. The natural human desire for Companionship + Children + Sex is too strong. So, God has approved of — Marriage to 1 spouse.
Marriage isn’t what the Perfect Christian would do, but that does not mean God condemns Marriage.
But there is a 3rd category besides 1) the Ideal + 2) Worldly things God approves of —- the 3rd category being — Things that God does condemn.
Bigamy is a big — Sin. Adultery is a big — Sin. Sex outside of Marriage is a big — Sin. God disapproves of them.
But, in the Bible, King David + King Solomon were both favored by God. David was the measuring stick for all future Kings — as to whether they pleased God or not….
But David + Solomon —- had multiple wives + concubines —- which were huge Sins…
So — Like I have explained above in other replies — I think the New Testament is clear on Fighting Back:
The Perfect Christian — would not fight back.
But, it does not say God condemns a Christian who does fight back. It means, you are Less than Perfect — and every single human who has ever lived has been Less than Perfect.
Being Less than Perfect is why we needed — a Savior to atone for our weaknesses + sins. That is why Jesus came + why He went to the cross for us…
“Look at what Jesus said about Divorce — He said, in God’s eyes, Divorce for any reason other than infidelity was wrong/less than ideal, but because He understood our weak natures, the Mosaic Law He gave us allows it. Sounds contradictory, but it isn’t.”
Actually, it is contradictory.
Christ overturned/explained that “divorce” only applies to betrothal in Jewish custom. That is why Joseph wanted to “divorce” his espoused bride (aka fiance) Mary.
The word now being improperly translated as “infidelity” does not mean that in Greek. Mochea and pornea were used in contradistinction by Christ to FULFILL God’s Law. Jesus or Moses. Who would you follow?
Infidelity is no less forgivable a sin as any other. It is NOT grounds for divorce. Ever.
Matthew 19 “3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”” (NKJV)
Matthew 19 “9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for [b]sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.””
So, you are saying, this passage doesn’t mean “wife” – it means “fiancé”?
My point in looking at Marriage was to argue the New Testament in general lays out 3 basic categories of behavior:
1) What a Perfect Christian would do.
2) What is acceptable for a non-Perfect Christian to do — which is — 100% of us – because nobody can live up to God’s Ideals.
3) What is — unacceptable — in God’s eyes which He condemns as major sin — but which does not mean you are not a “True” Christian or unsaved if you happen to do it, because even major sins are cleansed by the blood Christ shed for us on the cross 2,000 years ago.
What makes me angry in these discussions is what just came out of some supposedly Christian mouths who replied to me above —-
—- calling me a Coward for pointing to passages in the Bible that clearly say what I’ve been saying.
They aren’t calling me a Coward alone. They are calling Jesus + the Early Christians Cowards. They are mocking the Bible. They are condemning the Word of God….
…..and thumping themselves on the chest for being better Christians then the Early Christians….
One day, they will have to answer for it. “36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.” (Matthew 12 NKJV)
Fight Rome? A rag tag bunch of women and children and men who had no military training no resources no weapons and no leadership. They were believers not fools. There is a time and season for everything. This is not the time to lay down and hope for the best.
If it comes to a fight it will be against blue helmet rapists and thugs who will kill you in a heartbeat and take your children.
what in the hell would you fight for?
Did you READ what I said? READ IT AGAIN before you go off half cocked!
As to “fight Rome”, you obviously don’t know anything about the Maccabee family. If you did you’d not post so foolishly.
You offer a line like most others but miss the mark. You are saying the 1st Christians did not fight back because they were over matched —– implying they would have done so if they’d had the strength.
I respectfully think this misses Bible in 2 regards:
What does Matthew 5:38-48 say Jesus taught?
Note how it ends by saying – if you can follow it fully, you will be – Perfect. — when it is humanly impossible for anyone to be Perfect. Matthew 5 is pointing to an Ideal we should respect as God’s Own but not one He expects we will be able to follow fully.
If you slap me in the face a few times, I’m going to fight back, but that is not what Jesus taught us, is it? But He does understand our weak natures + understand why we fight back…
Romans 7:15-20 gives us some guidance in this regards. Paul says he himself knows what he is supposed to do + not supposed to do according to God’s Will, but, he continually finds himself doing what he shouldn’t + failing to do what he should — because he is of the Flesh + not fully of the Spirit.
What does Romans 13:1-3 teach? Wow…. That one boggles even my mind but it is there in the New Testament… God’s Ways are not our ways. Our chance of understanding why He wants things a certain way in every circumstance is — Zero…
What does 1 Peter 2:13-17 teach?
It is very similar to Romans 13 but it relates more to how the 1st Christians reacted to the tyranny of Rome. — The 1st Christians were not Cowards. And they did not fail to fight back because they had no faith in God + knew they could only rely on their own strength. No – the 1st Christians demonstrated a high degree of faith by following what Jesus + Paul + Peter taught + the manner in which they behaved — did have a strong impact on many of the non-Christian witnesses. — The martyrs of the Early Church demonstrated for all to see —- which side was Evil + which side was special + Godly….
Martin Luther King Jr was an ordained preacher trained on the Bible. He understood the Power of what Jesus + the Apostles taught, and he put it to use to help radically change American Culture.
Gandhi wasn’t a Christian but took the same lessons from the Bible.
What you wrote is the common theme I hear from pretty much every Christian I’ve talked to about this: It implies the Early Christians were weak + cowardly or would have performed very differently if the Strength in Military Arms were more in their favor. — That’s just wrong.
What those 1st Christians did was —- far more courageous — than following the natural human instinct to Fight Back. + it is what passages like the ones above teach us.
Those 1st Christians behaved that way because they were taught to do so by the people who walked with Jesus + were led by the Holy Spirit….!
What does Philippians 1:21-29 teach?
What are the passages in the New Testament that teach we are supposed to Fight Back…?
If I am not condemning Christians who do fight back but say this is an alternative to the Ideal which God understands — why am I always condemned as being ignorant of what the Bible teaches when I offer specific passages that caused me to form the conclusions I have…?
Where are the passages that prove me wrong?
Maybe views like yours are why Christians like me.
Have a great admiration for other religions. Particularly Sikhs of whom I have a couple of friends, and many acquaintances.
They fight..are they correct. Who knows, but they fight.
I guess Pence was a good Christian and PDJT maybe not so, because he fights for family, friends, and country.
I have grandkids, a wife and good people in my life.
I must be there for them.
Amen to that.
Do you see the difference between being a Good Christian + a Perfect Christian?
I don’t understand why it is always so hard for fellow Christians to get this. It almost always takes the same routes….
Did I say the Bible teaches that — a Christian who fights back is — bad?
I went to some lengths to explain what I am saying — and it should be clear — I did not say that.
But — up above — as is usual — I have supposedly other Christians calling me a — Coward — which means they are calling the Early Christian Martyrs — cowards — and the Bible a book for Cowards —- because I point out specific passages from the New Testament for what I am saying…
Why do Christians like that never quote the Bible for me?
Anyway — I said — God does not condemn a Christian who Fights Back.
I said it does not match what the Bible clearly says an Ideal Christian would do —– but 0% of Christians can ever hope to match the Ideal.
Jesus clearly taught that — to be Perfect — you would Turn the Other Cheek.
To some who have replied to me — that means — Jesus is a Coward or wanted to make His followers into a bunch of Cowards…..
But, as with Marriage or remaining Single —- what the New Testament teaches is — God understands His followers cannot live up to His Ideal of a Perfect Follower — and He thus allows us alternative ways of living that He finds acceptable/doesn’t condemn.
And the 3rd categories of behavior are things God condemns in strong terms — which in the area of Marriage would be having multiple wives or adultery or having sex outside of marriage.
In terms of Fighting Back or Turning the Other Cheek — the 3rd category would be —- attacking someone for no reason or just for fun or so on….
I don’t understand why other Christians find this so hard to process.
Even non-Christians have usually heard of — Turn the Other Cheek – related to Jesus + Christianity.
But this discussion always ends up going to the same gutter —- with people who call themselves Christians calling Jesus’ Turn the Other Cheek mentality —- Cowardness.
I shouldn’t be surprised. — The Average Christian today is someone who’s never read the Bible in the first place much less reads it regularly + studies it….
Can you quote from me from my own words where I said someone who Fights Back is Condemned or a Bad Christian…?
We ain’t temped to fight. We are being forced to fight. Would you stand by while devils plunder your nation and enslave your children?
Not me brother. I wasn’t raised that way. There is no shame in fighting for what you hold dear..it is expected of us even when there is no possibility of prevailing.
Take your fight elsewhere, not against me. I’ve not expressed MY OWN view on the matter. I’ll only say this. I will not be going into the vaccine waiting line or the cattle car.
“There is no shame in fighting for what you hold dear..”
Did I say someone fighting back should feel “Shame”?
“it is expected of us even when there is no possibility of prevailing.”
Which passages in the New Testament teach that?
Like I just wrote to another reply – the point at which I get slightly irritated in a discussion of this is when —- I get condemned as being ignorant about what the Bible actually teaches concerning Fighting Back — but don’t get quoted passages in the New Testament that prove I’m wrong….
I try to explain to some length that — I am not condemning those who Fight Back nor am I saying God condemns them.
I stress I’m talking about God’s Ideal vs what God understands is natural to our human condition + doesn’t condemn.
I’m not so hard-headed that I can’t be convinced that I’m wrong on something —- but if a person isn’t going to point me to passages of the Bible that prove me wrong — we shouldn’t even be talking to each other….
My conclusions are based on what I get out of the New Testament and some specific passages.
Beau, is that you? You sound like a wise Christian I know from another forum.
The early Christians refused to give token reverence to the Roman gods. No one believed in those gods anymore, but the State required a pinch of incense now and then. The Christians wouldn’t do that because they worshipped God, not the state. That got them in trouble.
Perhaps that is what Christians should do now, disobey laws that require us to substitute the state for God.
I still don’t understand why Jesus told the disciples to buy swords, then rebuked Peter for using one.
No, this is the name I’ve used for a good number of years now – it’s an old high school nickname.
The area you bring up is the best angle the critics could go at me from – but I suspect most of them have never read the Bible + almost certainly never read it regularly. I can’t remember a single time in one of these discussions where they have pointed to passages in the Bible to prove how correct they are and how wrong I am….
They want it — simple. They want it — yes or no. They can’t be bothered to read + think.
The — “Turn the Other Cheek” passages in the Bible are crystal clear, and it is all right there, if they’d just take the time to process it.
The key verse is Matthew 5:48 “Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.”
Any Bible-reader should know — God knows – 0% of us can be — Perfect.
So, whenever Jesus is talking about being — Perfect — He is pointing to an Ideal He knows we can’t match. So, there are other actions that do not match the Ideal but are Acceptable. (Then, of course, there are actions that are strictly Condemned…)
I don’t know how many different ways I can say that or how I can make it any more clear — but almost always — the critic will say that I’m calling Christians who fight back — bad.
What ends up making me angry in these discussion is —- when a fellow Christians ends up calling what Jesus taught —- Cowardness.
If the person is a real Christian, he/she will answer for that one day to Jesus Himself….
Anyway — Romans 13 says – “Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. ”
That’s extremely hard for me to process myself….. And it would be a far better avenue to attack me from than trying to undo “Turn the Other Cheek”….
1 Peter 2 is in the same area but easier for me to process: “13 Therefore submit yourselves to every [a]ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men— 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for [b]vice, but as bondservants of God.”
Does that mean — you should follow ever Law passed by even an evil government/ruler…?
I don’t think so — but that would be the better area to attack me from….
Does this mean a Perfect Christian would take the Vaccines or wear the Masks if the government makes it Mandatory…?
I don’t think so – especially considering 1 Peter 2 with its “that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men”.
The point seems to me to be — when a “Good” Person refuses to Obey an Evil Law by an Unjust Government — but does accept the Authority of that Government — the person ends up proving which is Right + which is Wrong.
MLK Jr + Gandhi – it seems to me – put this to Powerful use + with great success —- but I guess they were Cowards too…. I guess their most cowardly act was — giving up their own lives for the values they believed in….
I think we have examples in the New + Old Testament to show what this looks like.
Peter + Paul + all of the Apostles + the Early Christians — did not — renounce Jesus — when ordered to by the Jewish or Roman Authorities. — So the two passages above don’t mean —- you have to do everything a Ruler/Government orders you to do.
But — Peter + Paul + Stephan, the 1st Martyr — and Jesus Himself — did —- submit themselves to the Authority of the Jewish Council + the Roman Authorities….
We find the same in the Old Testament with figures like Daniel — He was taken as a Slave to Babylon — Babylon being in the Bible the epitome of an Evil, Pagan, devilish kingdom —- yet, Daniel served as an Official in the Kingdom — he rose in rank as God blessed his ability — until Daniel became an important, high-ranking member in that Kingdom……..an Evil Kingdom…….which kinda boggles my mind alittle…
But — Daniel did not do things that were counter to his Faith in God + the Jewish Law. Early on, he refused to eat the diet he was ordered to follow — despite knowing he could be beaten or killed for refusing any order. Later, after he had risen in rank in the Babylonian government — he refused to worship the Idol that the king had ordered all citizens to worship —- and Daniel was willing to be put to death for that.
To some weak-minded, Biblically-Illiterate Christians, I guess that makes Daniel a — Coward — because he didn’t grab a sword to go down fighting….. Daniel walked into the lion’s den…. like a “coward” I guess…..
The same way the Early Christians were a bunch of cowards for walking into the Coliseum singing hymns of praise + begging God to open the eyes of their persecutors.
The same way Jesus was a Coward when He taught “turn the other cheek” and “love your enemies”….
I guess the Bible is a book for cowards….
Anyway — In terms of today’s world — I think I am going to apply the two passages quoted above correctly…..
I don’t wear masks. I have maybe 3 times since the Covid Madness began, and I never returned to each of the places where I happened to wear it once after arriving and finding out they were mandatory.
I will never get the Vaccines. I don’t care what Laws or Ordnances are passed.
If that means — I end up thrown in Jail or some Detention Camp for it —- fine.
If it makes me in some people’s minds a “Coward” because I will not pick up a gun to use against the Police if/when they come to detain me — so be it….
If I had children — and the Police came with a Health Professional — to use Force to stick a needle in my child’s arm to administer the Vaccine — I would pick up a gun + fight back against the Police.
Do I think God would condemn me fighting back…?
The people above in the thread throwing around the Coward label can’t seem to understand the basic fact that — no — that is not what I have been saying.
God understands the impulse to Fight Back against Evil. He does not condemn it.
But —- the Bible very clearly states in multiple passages — Turn the Other Cheek is God’s Ideal…
If a “Christian” can’t live with that — tough sh!t. I didn’t create the book. God did….
How can you be sure you won’t fight? What would you fight for? Would you fight if you saw your neighbor being raped or beaten? The first century Christians weren’t stupid. They knew the odds. The ones you speak of who were martyred had been imprisoned beaten and degraded before being butchered. They knew there was no way out for them. Their spirit was an example to all Christians.
BUT you are not in prison or being beaten but you like the rest of us are being degraded and abused. I take exception to having my family threatened by anyone. And I don’t give a damn how powerful they are I will fight with my entire being against this evil. G-D does not want us to lay down and let devils massacre us. He expects us to be courageous and fight.
please rethink your position you may have no choice but to defend the innocent. Be of good courage and stand with the rest of us.
Didn’t I say I can’t really tell what I’d end up doing or might have done years ago under different conditions?
But overall, I think you’re wrong about what the Bible teaches + the example set by the 1st Christians – but – as I went to lengths to explain, that does not mean I believe God condemns fighting back. I put it the best I can in the comments above.
Read Matthew 5:38-48 on Not Resisting Evil.
Notice how it ends with “Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.”
Perfection is beyond human capacity so God knows we’ll fail to follow the Ideal perfectly – but His ideal is Turn the Other Cheek + more as described in those verses.
I don’t think your examples work, respectfully. A neighbor being raped is a far cry from turning the other cheek when you, yourself are the victim…
Next — how did the 1st Christians end up in Prison? Why weren’t they taught by the Apostles + Paul to —- ban together + arm themselves to prevent arrest….???
You are saying — the 1st Christians didn’t fight back because —- the odds were against them —- so they didn’t try…
That would demonstrate an incredible lack of Faith…. It would mean that they not only didn’t believe the Bible writers meant what they said in passages like Matthew 5 – but – they also didn’t believe they were in God’s Hands. That they were counting on their own strength alone….
Can you show me passages in the New Testament that teach “God does not want us to lay down and let devils massacre us. He expects us to be courageous + fight? — especially the part about “fight”…?
Do you think the 1st Christians were not — courageous…? Do you think their reactions were cowardly in God’s eyes….?
What “weapons” does Ephesians 4 tell us to deploy?
What does Paul say in Romans 13:1-7 teach?
What does 1 Peter 2 :13-17 teach?
What does 1 John 2:15-17 teach us about not clinging to this world? Isn’t fighting tooth-n-nail to remain in it in this flesh not clinging to the world?
What does Philippians 1:21-29 teach?
In that passage, did Paul say those things just because he knew he + the other Christians were too over-matched + thus had no hope of winning – as you suggested as the reason for why the 1st Christians reacted as they did…???
Show me the passages in the New Testament about — fighting back?
Respectfully, this is where I start getting irritated in these conversations I’ve had before:
I made it plain – I do not say the Bible teaches that a Christian who fights back is — bad.
I say the Bible teaches — such a Christian is failing to live up to the impossible Ideal the Bible points to — but that doesn’t mean fighting back is considered Evil or condemned.
But —- I always end up getting — condemned — for my interpretation.
I point to passages in the Bible that led me to my conclusions — and I don’t condemn those who prefer to Fight Back —– but I get dismissed as being very wrong-headed but without quotes from the Bible to back up the Fight Back position….
I’m willing to listen if someone can prove me wrong — but I’m going to need specific data to work on.
You have to give me adequate passages from the Bible to negate the ones I go by….
Good discussion here. If I can add a couple of resources here for those that may be interested.
First, an excellent sermon preached by John MacArthur, who defied the Ca lockdown orders and continued to meet and worship without masks or other restrictions during last years’ (and ongoing) tyranny. Just this week he announced they had prevailed in their legal battle against the city of LA and the state of CA.
When Government Rewards Evil and Punishes Good
Also, a short easy read – excellent book by Matt Trewhella, The Law of the Lesser Magistrate, with lessons and examples from the Bible and from history that men should not and are not expected to follow the unjust and sinful laws of man just because they have been made laws.
Blessings to you. My heart is so deeply troubled about what is going on and what is coming. I am not afraid. However, my husband will be devastated if anything happens to me or our family; I worry & pray for him to find his own resolve and peace about this.
Read your Bible.
If it’s new and unfamiliar to you – you can literally start anywhere. If you want to accelerate your learning and understanding there is an abundance of great material online. Consider John MacArthur, or for a fun, fast deep dive listen to Chuck Missler. Topical discussions about lifestyle, church trends and practices, culture and study of the Bible I have just found Alisa Childers podcast and YT channel, she does a wonderful job.
Thank you.
The best avenue of attack on my position is not on what is cowardly + what is brave. The best avenue of attack on my position is — Do I mean that we are supposed to do everything a Ruler tells us to because Peter + Jesus + Paul say the things I quoted/noted above….?
The answer is – no.
All the Apostles were arrested + tortured + coerced into denying Jesus – but none of them did, and almost all of them were killed for refusing.
Paul also refused to do things he was commanded by the Jewish Authorities + Roman Authorities. He was even put to death for refusing.
The few people who replied calling Turn the Other Cheek — cowardness — and said that the only reason the Early Christians (or I guess the Apostles + Paul) did not take up Arms to Fight Back was — they were too weak against the powerful Roman Armies….
I think that starts getting close to — blasphemy — but is at minimum — wrong.
Jesus, Himself — submitted Himself to the Authority of both the Jewish Council + Roman Provincial Authorities.
Did Jesus do that because He was a Coward…? Did He do that because He was Powerless compared to the Jewish Leaders or Rome….?
People should be more careful when they are throwing around harsh labels on others……. The BIble says, even Christians will stand before God one day to answer for every careless word we’ve spoken…..
Overall — if we follow the Bible — and we follow examples like the Apostles + Early Christians + Old Testament examples like Daniel in Babylon —
—- we will NOT do things that we believe are against God’s Law. We will not do things that we believe take us away from God’s Will.
Refusal to Comply is the form of Resistance that those Saints used. — They even went to their deaths refusing to comply when complying would have been easy.
They could have feigned compliance but in their hearts told God they didn’t really mean it. I’m sure there were many Early Christians who did that or Jews in the Old Testament who faced similar turmoil in Babylon or Assyria. —- Does that mean those Christians or Jews went to Hell…? No, it means they were Human + God understands few can walk the — Martyr’s Path….
Martyrs are not Cowards because they did not pick up sticks or guns to fight the Police when the Police came for them…..
Fighting back is — EASIER….!!!!
Fighting back is far more satisfying to us humans. It is far more instinctual to our flesh….
And I do not say that a Christian who fights back is going —- wrong.
I am saying — the Bible clearly states — the Martyr’s Path is the Ideal…..
I thank geckoproof for pointing to a real life — real time example.
I applaud those Church congregations who refuse to shut down over Covid + were willing to get arrested for their refusal.
Were those Christians — cowards….?
Should they have picked up sticks or guns to fight back against the Police who arrested them….?
If they had — would the videos of them have been more or less useful for their cause….?
When MLK Jr lead his followers to march in the South during Segregation – were they being Cowards because they let the Police + National Guard + angry citizens attack them + didn’t try to fight back…?
During Segregation — who was the better leader —- MLK Jr or Malcom X?
This is an important thing for people who call themselves Christians to think about….
God understands what comes natural to us.
He is not going to condemn us if we fight back against an evil Government.
But — He makes clear in the Bible — He honors the Martyrs more…..
The United States of America would never have come to be with folks with your attitude. George Washington had a bible in one hand and a rifle in the other. You’re saying God didn’t sanction any of that? Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever. The second part of the trinity was around in Old Testament days too when it was an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. In your view, Christianity is a suicide cult. You’re just taking the easy way out without a care for your progeny. Very cowardly of you and one of the primary reasons for the current condition of this country. If we all stood and refused to bow down, the satanic government would buckle. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
Did you quote any passages from the Bible?
Jesus was a Coward? The Early Christians were Cowards? Paul + Peter + the rest of the Apostles were Cowards?
Why is it always when this discussion happens — I always end up facing off against — Christians — who throw around big words like — Coward —– but can never seem to quote from the Bible….?
I shouldn’t be surprised. The Average Christian today hasn’t even read the Bible once much less reads it regularly + dwells on it…
Matthew 5 (NKJV) “21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.”
All of you people throwing around big words but never quoted a single Bible verse to back up your point of view — you are wasting your time. Insults + zero references to the Bible do nothing for me….
You aren’t even trying to process what I have said even though I’ve repeated it in depth more than once.
Do I think George Washington is — condemned by God because he fought against the British?
Can you show me where I have said God condemns people for fighting back against injustice?
That is what you people throwing around the Coward label keep saying.
Can you at least quote from my own words where I said Fighting Back is condemned by God or that a person isn’t a Christian if he fights back?
I’ve noted passages from the Bible a good bit — and the critics refuse to deal with them. They avoid it – because in the end, they are not arguing against me – they are arguing against the Bible.
But the critics time + time again — can’t even get what I have said correct.
They keep attacking me for ideas that are not mine + ideas I have clearly spoken against.
Try re-reading what I’ve written. Then read the Bible passages I noted/quoted.
Then come back to me….
Can you quote from what I wrote where I said — God condemns a person for fighting back against injustice…?
Can anyone who upvoted your comment show me where I said God condemns someone for fighting back…?
Do you think the path the Early Christian martyrs took was the easy one….?
Really…?
It’s much easier to pick up a gun + go down fighting. It’s far more satisfying to human instinct. It’s also a heck of a lot less painful. It’s also faster.
But, first — show me where I wrote that God condemns people for fighting back….please….
Hard decisions, I am a Christian like you. I am also a 20 year veteran of the US Army and smart. “Sell your cloak and buy a sword,” but then told to put it away. Little resistance to government in early Church then a bloody reformation to extract the Church from a government soaked church.
I am preparing/prepared to go in either direction but most likely will never fire in anger at those who persecute me. I also will not submit to coercion to get anything much less a vaccine. But should I be wrestled to the ground and injected I will claim the passage about no poison hurting His people, and should it take my earthly life then I will take my place with the martyred. Same goes for other scenarios such as proclaiming truth and the Good News.
Again hard decisions, but I think the path Jesus took is the always the right one but it was not pure pacifism, He seriously disrupted the “way things were” along the way to the cross.
I’ll fight the bastards now and deal with God’s judgment on it later.
If God punishes me for using my rifle to stop a woman from being raped or beheaded that’s probably not the one I worship. But I’ll take the recompense any way.
That is completely different that taking up arms deliberately against the gov’t (legitimate or not). I would do the same for those around me being savaged.
Again, thank you.
I’ve had discussions on this topic a few times over the decades. It is sad + annoying that it always takes the same routes….
I just wish other Christians who want to go against me would quote from the Bible to back up their position.
I wish they would examine the quotes I offer + show me where I’m wrong in my reading.
But – the usual attack will —- attack me for something I never said or ascribe to me ideas I clearly said I don’t believe… and then the insults come…..
When a person results to insults, not only are the going against what Jesus taught, they are usually announcing they have lost the debate too….
Can you quote for me what sentences I wrote that make you believe — I said —- that shooting someone who is raping a woman would be condemned by God?
Show me where that is my point, please….
My critics refuse to deal with the quotes from the Bible I offered.
But why do they also attack me for saying things I never said….?
Thank you for your considered response. Now that some have started going the Insult Route – like always happens in this discussion – I thank you for giving a thoughtful response.
“I am preparing/prepared to go in either direction but most likely will never fire in anger at those who persecute me.”
The problem with other people above in this discussion is — their brains won’t let them understand — it is not a — “either/or” situation…
If people who don’t like my position will go back to reread what I’ve written, I’ve said repeatedly — I think God via the Bible teaches us — 3 basic categories of Behaviors:
1) The Ideal —- which God favors the most — but which — God lets us know — we have ZERO Hope of living up to. God knows we absolutely cannot be Perfect – that is why He came to face death on the cross to cleanse us of our imperfections.
2) Acceptable Behaviors — things that are not the Ideal but which are NOT condemned by God.
3) Unacceptable Behaviors — sins of varying degrees.
Not once have I said I think the Bible teaches —- if you Fight Back against an evil government, you are “bad” or a “bad Christian.”
“I am preparing/prepared to go in either direction but most likely will never fire in anger at those who persecute me.”
I do say —– for example —- if you had children – and the Police + Health Professionals came to your house to use Armed Force to inject your children with a vaccine — something you consider evil — and — you did use a gun to hold them off —– I do not believe God would condemn your act.
It would not make you a — bad Christian.
I believe the Bible teaches – God understands this drive to Fight Back is a natural, powerful instinct in us, and He does not condemn you for it.
—— Let me put it another way which I hope all readers will take the time to process — I cannot think of a passage in the New Testament where Jesus or one of the Apostles or Paul —– condemns — fighting back….
But — I think any Christian who has bothered to read the Bible with any level of thought would have to admit —-
—– the Bible teaches that — the Martyr’s Path —- is given more honor by God….
Why can’t people some who call themselves Christians see that….?
The Martyr’s Path is — harder — than fighting back.
Martyrs usually suffer —- MORE —- than those who take up arms. A bullet to the head is a heck of a lot easier than submitting yourself to Torture + Imprisonment….
….I’d prefer to go down quickly in a blaze or glory than spend years in a prison camp………
But that is not the Ideal as defined in the Bible.
I didn’t write the Bible.
If a person who hates what I’m saying can show me where I’ve miss read passages I note/quote — please do….
Nothing I have written should suggest that – for example — I think Deplorable Nazarene Zealot was a “bad Christian” for serving in the Army.
I have said multiple times — I do not believe the Bible teaches that — Fighting Back — is bad. or condemned.
How many times do I have to repeat that before every reader gets it….?
Again, thank you for your considered reply….
Over a year AND A HALF AGO Dr. Peter Cottrell, an American, saw how the lab rats spliced in the HIV and Sars 2 virus into the virus the CCP released on the world. Gain of function was successfully done in the Wuhan lab. He was one of the first to see it and evidently he was hushed up. Now it’s out in the open.
The push to have more lockdowns and tyranny is another narrative to cover up the truth. The Left always overplays its hand.
WAY OFF GRID….
Note: this “passport” system is going to be fraught with ALL kinds of issues involving STATES RIGHTS…NOW, as for leaving the country …another story!!!!
I WILL NOT COMPLY!!!
They act like they can’t give details about who’s coming into the country from the southern border or imported from Afghanistan (including what diseases they have, like measles or others that had been wiped out here), but citizens are supposed to submit to the most detailed scrutiny possible on their health and whatever else is demanded of them?
It’s like letting the enemy have 80 billion dollars worth of armaments but Americans have to give up our guns or else. Not gonna!
My husband has to fly Monday to Florida on business. I have no idea if he even can since he is unvaccinated. I don’t know how long they can continue to cover for all the adverse reactions and deaths of the vaccines, as well as the failure of the vaccines. It sounds like those on the left have no idea how much they are ineffective against the virus.
“In order for the left to advance their agenda they have to pretend to not know things.”
Upon its creation, Skynet began to learn at a geometric rate. The system originally went online on January 20th, 2021. Human decisions were removed from strategic defense. The system then became self-aware at 5:00 pm Eastern Time on September 9th, 2021.
Bust in anytime and let us know what he says and the instructions to the occupant’s handlers.
Yea I can’t see Twitter crap either. Keeps telling me it sign in. I’m rolling with anxiety and frustration.
Click on the “X” to see the Twit post….
Good morning! Here’s the link…
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/watch-live-prime-minister-scott-morrison-addresses-the-nation/news-story/ca792e81a65f9c0a323c0bdbf19dfc46
Thank you. I just read the summation provided by your link. Unbelievable!! What a (gerund) jackass!! After months of suppression, being told NOT to talk to neighbors, locked up, arrested, restricted, in some cases beaten by their Gestapo, this TYRANT is asking people to ask their neighbors “Are you okay?”
what world are we living in…he’s insane. I think people here are about to blow. Have no idea what that’ll look like, but third world countries’ citizens are invited and/or shipped here, paid, housed, given medical care free of charge (to them), with no requirements at all. I believe the psychopaths running this show here are in no way prepared for what our populace might do. They may in their hubris they’ve planned for all contingencies, but I suspect they’re in for a rude awakening. Waiting to see how this plays out is the hardest part.
I would attest that at least half the population are not complying with the QR crap or the sign in rubbish.
Even masked zombies are defying the powerplay, most good people are simply not doing what they have dictated to do.
It’s easy to scam the code and can even be fun signing in bogas names or writing a profane comment, the big bro data collectors have such a skewered account that I believe the data is useless on a large scale.
How much will people take? This is not France. Folks are pretty Covid weary.
They are trying to provoke — Resistance.
This is a Regime Change Operation.
They need Violence + Chaos + Mayhem.
To get there, they need people in the streets — so they can send out their professionals in disguise to move things in the direction they want — so they can then justify dropping the hammer on the nation as a whole.
Implosion is the goal.
And they have multitudes worked up and willing to take to the streets. I will not be one of them.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The fuse has been lit. There will be violence + chaos + mayhem. It’s their plan. They salivate at the prospect and are demanding it.
Have you given up already? A defeatist attitude can prove to be fatal.
I still believe the Constitution is valid and that when push comes to shove
Americans of faith will resist and overcome this evil..or die trying.
If we are to lose and be subjugated to the dogs of islam i for one will not go quietly.
Judging by my 2 daughters and my 2 sons all liberal in the sate of WA, we can not visit if we are not vaccinated. So is that some kind of answer to “How much will people take?”
I hope you write them out of your will/trust.
There will be no money left for us once the globalists are finished pretending we aren’t already broke. Your “money” will be whatever you can barter for food.
Skillllzzzz.
You skin the alligator and I’ll skin the crocodile.
No cheating .
Blackfella way unwritten.
You raised them right! Never comply or submit!
France is 100x ahead if America in resisting Covid cr@p.
MILLIONS of French are marching in the streets against this tyranny. Compared to that, basically ZERO are marching here.
That’s because we can already see all the fools in masks running to daddy Biden for their latest shots. And we know we have an uphill battle when our own family and friends have become stepford people incapable of a cogent thought of their own.
Maybe that graphene oxide stuff in the injections is already working it’s magic in their frontal lobes. Stranger things have happened.
It’s time for any of you to start buckling down and study the actual laws and use them in your favor regarding the supposed “Approved” Vaccines, which it is NOT. I promise you, not even your state representatives understand the law as I guarantee, none of them read it!
I’ll let the FDA remind everyone again. I save all the links for a reason.
It’s not law, yet! So Fight back! To all Employers, you better heed this FDA full admission!!
Under Titles 21 USC & CFR, the EUA is not law, there is currently no 564 statute and no Codification as of yet. CFR 564 is reserved but not codified.
On May 25, 2021 at the bottom of page #1, the FDA proves without any doubt what I am saying regarding EUA’s. It took me a bit to find it but I did. Here is the statement in quotations and the provided hyperlink (25 pages) to back up my claim.
“The contents of this document do not have the force and effect of law and are not meant to bind the public in any way, unless specifically incorporated into a contract. This document is intended only to
1
Contains Nonbinding Recommendations
provide clarity to the public regarding existing requirements under the law. FDA guidance documents, including this guidance, should be viewed only as recommendations, unless specific regulatory or statutory requirements are cited. The use of the word should in FDA guidances means that something is suggested or recommended, but not required.”
https://www.fda.gov/media/142749/download
You are absolutely correct. I’ve been trying to explain to people how HR departments are contorting themselves to *pretend* there’s a mandate when, legally, there can’t be! They don’t offer those exemptions out of the goodness of their precious little snowflake hearts. You are being tested.
Failing the test means you give up prematurely and “cobsent” to take the injections which absolves them from liability. Winning means you stand your ground with the LAWS (not guidance or mere suggestions) firmly on your side.
They know the law is on your side and they must accept full liability if you do not consent *and* they make good on their threats to retaliate. So guess what? They never make good on those threats because legally they cannot.
#BULLIES DON’T FIGHT
No way he can count to six
One of the best moments during the 2020 debates was when Dementia Joe was rattling off a list of things and he skipped over number 2 and went straight to number 3.
Without missing a beat, PDJT reminded him that he was on number 2 and kept right on talking.
He can fumble, bumble, turn his back on us, and screw up everything we hold dear all he wants. His handlers don’t care so long as they’re able to keep moving their agenda forward. His handlers use msm as their shield. The rest of the sane world clearly sees the installed occupant as mentally and physically unfit as he truly is but our corrupt representatives do absolutely nothing. It’s the most insane and tumultuous time the majority of us have ever witnessed in our lives. I pray for the destruction of these evil manipulators and I live long enough to see it.
I remember that! ?
I predict he’ll be late
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The mad king is about to lose his crown. He is very sick and twisted and like many would be tyrants his fall will be dangerous and bloody for the subjects he hates..that would be us. He has lost what little sense and sanity he was born with. Day by day he continues to lose touch with any semblance of reality. He lives in a well protected bubble that his handlers have constructed around him. One day in the not too distant future that bubble will pop and he will have outlived his usefulness to the Muslim brotherhood who put Barry the bastard & Co. in a position to destroy us.
barry and his cult of feckless followers are eating high on the halal hog now but pretty soon Heaven is gonna feed him and his crew 47 miles of barbedwire for dessert.
I remember visiting the folks from time to time in Shalimar, FL in the 1990s. You’d hear this massive BRRRRRRRAP! BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAPPPP! BBBBRRRRRRRRRAAAAP! Dad worked for a contractor (BTG, then Titan, then L3Com) so I asked him what the heck noise was that. He said it was a gun the USAF was testing at Eglin. Maybe THAT is what Barry and the Boyz need to meet, the hecking great “BRRRAAAAP” gun?
“The Biden poll ratings and favorability, or lack therein, do not factor into the plan of action; those issues are irrelevant. ”
Exactly. When your mission is to destroy, getting destroyed is factored in. He’s kind of suicide bomber
I’ve long said Demonrats are political suicide bombers. They know that advancing the cause is worth political death because the gains they manage are never truly rolled back.
The right has to win EVERY BATTLE to preserve liberty. The left only has to win one to erode it.
And the right doesn’t even know how to fight.
Correct. Trump was the only one with a clue in that department and his “allies” ran from him and his example every chance they got.
You have to want to fight first, and want to win. The right doesn’t seem to want either.
Yep. The so-called right always yakking about that’s not the kind of people we are.
Yadda yadda yadda.
They try to make cowardice a virtue.
I think I have their portions of both!
The right can’t always get what they want.. but you know sometimes they get what they need.
Critical mass hasn’t been reached yet and while some are hesitant to commit to defending what many died for to protect and defend..the cold reality of a boot on the neck will soon alter their perception of what we face as a nation. We didn’t ask for this fight and laying down and giving them control in not an option.
The UNiparty seems more focused on hoarding their six pieces of silver instead of seeking manna from Heaven. How foolish and short-sighted of them.
The right if fixin to learn how to fight..if they want their children to survive that is.
such defeatism by the so called right is a slap in the face to all who have fought and died to protect this nation from enemies foreign and domestic for over two centuries.
Exactly. His family is getting paid off yugely to do this.
Every time someone says “How can Jill let him do this?” I think – Jill is making him do it for the money.
I think the Bidens had and have no choice in the matter. They are being told what to do.
Biden’s barely an empty suit who can’t even rise to the occasion of teleprompter duties. Whereas O could read like a boss! To even belabor insightful commentary by invoking his name in sentences implies that he is somehow falling short of normalized Office expectations. Wrong.
They are ALL perfunctory and vetted occupants of the Office. The Constitutional/Madisonian innards of the position have gradually been stripped away by the Trumanites since 1947. To use a Walter Bagehot term, The Office of the Presidency is now strictly ‘ornamental’. Biden’s just the most painfully obvious dust magnet imaginable.
Even the term Joebama, while catchy, implies Obama is something other than a more polished and adept butler for the Trumanite Network. Is the Obama/Rice tandem whispering in Old Gropey’s ear? Yes probably, but not as Masters of the Universe themselves. Just more adept water-carriers acting as assistive devices for a demented and leakier fellow bucket.
Thus it misses the mark somewhat to say Biden is simply Obama-by-proxy. Both are tools from the same toolbox. Indeed the Deep State operationally airbrushed Trump out of the line of succession from the start of his (Madisonian revivalist) Presidency. Anyone remember the Susan Rice final-minute memo? That letter was drafted out of the Trumanite Oval Office, not to be confused with the Oval Office we elected Trump into.
No choice? That is the biggest BS line in the history of the world.
You always have a choice. Always. It’s just a matter of whether you are willing to deal with the consequence of the choice. Yes, sometimes it is only an either – or situation but it’s still a choice. You always have a choice.
Yesterday when POTATUS was in NJ, several men around him were shaking his hand and getting photos taken with him. Maybe they were staying close to him because they were part of a secret service detail. But I’m not sure that photo of him with those male sycophants around him is telling us the truth. They could be plants paid to make JB look like he has supporters. Who really believes that people can’t see his dementia and his malevolence?
In other words biden is a malevolent narcissist with genocidal tendencies who has been in DC for 45+ years. And now he is losing his mind to dementia. That is what I see every time he appears before us.
Since April 2020 I have been trying to “throw some sand in the machinery” of this fascist government. All I have really been able to do is refuse to wear a mask as much as possible. I have felt like I was at least doing something, being an example maybe to a mask-wearing citizen who needed support to be non-compliant. The more people I could help become noncompliant, the more sand I was throwing in the machinery.
Clearly it wasn’t enough to slow down the machine, let alone put a major clog in the engine and bring the this tyrannical takeover to a halt.
I guess it is going to take more than sand. Not sure what it will be but I am sure I will get the answer here at CTH.
Gunpowder and blood are where things are headed. Either that or silent defeat.
Our humanity, patience, tolerance, and decency are being used against us to enslave us.
Throughout history it’s always come to that.
you did make a difference, coaster. When enough people just say no, the scamdemic is over..
So this will be how I’ll end up a ward of the State….
I’m too stubborn to Comply.
As a child of years of sexual abuse —– as an adult – I have an extreme distaste for doing things when I feel coerced – even if the thing could actually be a benefit…
I’ll probably never fly again — not unless the Masks Mandates are lifted.
Very early in the Covid Madness, I figured Masks were coming at work, and I began stocking up on food, and when it finally did happen a few months later, I quit the day the new rule was announced and for the most part lived off that stock until months had passed + I got a job at a non-corporate, independent place that didn’t require them…
I don’t care what “legal” mandates the Government puts into action — I’m not going to comply.
Our Institutions are corrupt past the point they deserve respect or obedience — including the Laws.
I’m not going to go down on my knees for a Government that gave us the 2020 Election.
I’ll go to jail first…
Aside from the sexual abuse, you and I could be twins. I am not getting in the boxcar.
Doubt it. — My hair is down below my shoulder blades now…
2020 – 2040 had been mentioned so much by UN + Think Tank Crowd in my lifetime (b. 1970), when I ran across a 1972 Club of Rome press briefing where they claimed their Scientists had “proven” — Global Civilization — would begin to rapidly collapse in a specific year – 2020 — I took special note of it.
I had been waiting for 2020 for some years.
When the last months of 2019 saw the Wuhan Mania rise — I knew they were deadly serious. They were going to do it. They were going to do whatever it takes to establish Feudalism 3.0 — to — “Save Mother Earth” from the Useless Eaters.
One thing I did in reaction to this was —- stopped getting my hair cut.
I usually got it cut 2 or 3 times a year. Cut very short then let it grow out.
To start 2020, I decided — I’ll never get it cut again…
…and every time I look in the mirror in the coming years of this Rising Tyranny —- I’ll remember — there was once a time —- things seemed to make sense.
I’ve got going on 2 years worth of growth going now….
I’m with you. I’ll die on my feet before I live on my knees.
I’m just trying to hold out until the madness subsides.
It won’t. This is hardly the beginning.
I know I sound like a knee-jerk negative type — but I’m a Realist who has been waiting to see 2020 for years.
2020 to 2040 has been mentioned many times over the last few decades among the Elites….
Agenda 21. Agenda 2030 – to name 2.
This is the effort at the Reformation of Civilization.
This is the effort to Save Mother Earth from Humanity (mostly the Useless Eaters).
This does not end without —- bloodshed.
It will prove to be a Zero Sum Game….
They believe they have developed the Infrastructure + Tools + Social Conditioning they need to come out on top after they implode the world.
Time will prove them right or wrong.
I sincerely hope I’m wrong.
I sincerely hope I’m now just an idiot Conspiracy Theorist.
—- But, I have to do where the Data Points lead me. This is it…
They are using Total War to establish Feudalism 3.0….
They have been talking about it in one form or another for over 5 decades.
Covid proved —- they are DEADLY serious….
Look up Leo Zagami’s Confessions vol 2 published in 2016. It was all about — 2020.
I don’t buy into everything Mr. Zagami writes about, but what he said about — chatter among the Elites in their Secret Societies concerning massive changes in 2020 —- matched what tidbits + hints + direct statements I’d notice coming out of the UN + Think Tank Crowd for a long time.
In 1992, as Feudalism 2.0 was dying (Soviet Communism), world leaders were ordered down to Rio to get the playbook for Feudalism 3.0 – called Agenda 21….
They are putting the plans into Action.
This is a Regime Change Operation.
This is just the beginning of the hot stages of it.
“Man proposes..G-D disposes” The best laid plans they say of RATS and men often go awry. I agree
that this plan of satanic domination has been forming for a very long time. But time ain’t on their side.
The Father of all creation also has a time line and a plan. He is the author of time and timing. He is after all The master mathematician. His time is measured and metered with Israel first and foremost in mind.
The generation that witnessed the rebirth of that beleaguered nation will live to see Heavens forces move in miraculous ways. I read that and I believe it.
I agree. As a Christian, I can’t lose. Even if you destroy my body, you just move me into a better existence.
I do think Christians tend to forget or not give that enough weight. Many seem to cling to this Earth + this existence + view it coming to an “end” as a catastrophe….
I don’t know if we are in the last of the End Times or not.
If we are — then things are going to go —- extremely bad for us Christians. The Bible teaches, things are going to go so badly —- it will look like —- Lucifer has won. That Lucifer cannot possible be stopped….
……and at that moment —- Jesus + the Heavenly Host – the Bible says – will step in + remove Lucifer + his supernatural crew 100% from having any influence on Earth.
— So many times in the past, like during WWII, when things in a majority Christian nation were really, really bad, people thought it was the last of the End Times — but it wasn’t – and things improved.
So, I can’t say if we are there yet or not. — If we are — it’s going to be very bad right up to the second it suddenly becomes — wonderful — but according to the Bible – we Christians before the 2nd Coming will not be here…. We’ll have been taken elsewhere…
It will be a while on the madness front. It’s part of the “breaking us” strategy.
Yup.
You agitate the fault lines in a Society until you produce Mayhem + Insecurity until the Average Person becomes so demoralized + exhausted, he’ll agree with anything that offers the prospect of Peace + Security….
Regime Change Operations 101….
I’m better off dead. And that’s fine. Been itching for this. I do agree with your earlier post it may be some sort of trap and we need to be wary.
You are better off Alive Luke. Stick around we need you help
Keep yer powder dry an’ yer hatchet scrubbed.
From Rules of Roberts Rangers
I have a 1-step plan: No*
*Details to follow.
Details: No.
There is a store for that –
I dont wear a mask, and I ain’t gonna.
I ain’t gonna get vaxxed.
No works for me too.
Starts slow. Stunningly on point and breathtakingly informative. Profoundly instructive for the new era we find ourselves in.
“We are living in a Cluster B world.”
This is very informative… thank you so much for sharing!!!
Organize. Revolt. Protest in the streets. It is now or never. They need to be very afraid of us.
They won’t be. Not the Powers that have set all this in motion.
They need us to Resist. — I am not saying we shouldn’t resist. We should. If we don’t, they’ll just establish Feudalism 3.0 by default.
But — this is a Regime Change Operation.
They have planned for a Resistance Movement. They envision needing it to happen — so they can unload on us with their biggest weapons.
— They want to implode the nation. They need Chaos + Violence + Mayhem. They want the chance to kill many of us + scare others + overall —————– they want to simply — Exhaust the society.
They want the Average Citizens to be begging for — Peace. Peace & Stability. Stability at any cost….
They welcome a Revolt ——- because they believe they are in the best position to — come out on top when it is all said + done….
They would not have waited so long nor finally pulled the trigger in initiating this Regime Change Op — if they didn’t believe they had the tools + condition they need to —- bury us….
They’re not. They don’t even fear death. They truly believe that hanging upside down from a gas station like Mussolini and his mistress is not in the cards for them.
They may be right.
Scary times.
If they gave a tyranny and nobody showed up? How about we just refuse. We ignore their diktats. We conduct ourselves as free men and free women and go about our daily lives as if they do not exist. We create a parallel government and parallel lives to extinguish them. Who cares about TPTB? They are only important because they say that they are.
They own the money.
“Joe Biden is a disposable front-man for the people organizing the objective, so they don’t have to worry about political damage. The Biden term was designed for a single set of four-year rapid advancements for the Democrat Socialist agenda. The Biden poll ratings and favorability, or lack therein, do not factor into the plan of action; those issues are irrelevant.”
Nailed it! Even sadder is the republicans are going to go along with it. An insurrection by another name.
From Armstrong, Australia’s “My police state” short video…
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/australia-oceania/aussie-police-state/
But surely this can’t happen….
The USA is populated by freemen who have the 2nd and 400 million firearms…… unlike those disarmed Australians.
I’ll guess we’ll see.
Australia has more arms now than before the ban.
Try another take. It’s not that one.
They have all the guns they’ll ever need to reclaim their freedoms in any context. They aren’t.
Frankly, neither are we, and we have them easily accessible from coast to coast.
The entire West has been raised to be polite, respectful, tolerant, etc.
We have been cconditioned to be subjects.
As you can see, beyond a few boisterous, tall, rebellious [native] Texan sheepdogs like myself it has made no difference at all.
I’m merely re-quoting many American comments on this site.
You mean Australia hasn’t been disarmed?
Well blow me down…..
But the Australian situation could never happen in the US, on account of the 2nd and all the big mouths telling us so……
Let’s see.
Go and read the NSW thread, over the page in Older posts, and you’ll come away with a different point of view. “Those wussie Australians without guns, never happen in the USA the land of the free” type stuff.
Big mouths indeed, let’s see them rise up.
Hint : 6and 8 inch pvc sewer pipe flew of the shelves and capends were near impossible to find.
That won’t save you or your arms if they want to be found.
Firearms will need to be USED not buried. Ask the French.
I concur .
Bingo.
No offense, but Pencil hasn’t been popping off about the infallibility of our 2A saving us. You have.
It’s possible that the right to bare arms is a false sense of believing we are free. A double edged sword.
Lol…
Darn that auto correct, Alli!
I have presented a proposal to our Board of Commissioners in Lyon County Nevada to declare it a “Constitutional County”. I followed the work of patriots in Cattaraugus County NY (see cattco.org minutes 8/25/21 pp 370-372).
In particular, the 9th Amendment, which protects unenumerated rights, should protect personal health decisions.
Treepers, you may wish to consider a similar movement in your county.
I have also asked for prominent signage at each city’s limits, adding “Constitutional County” to the county seal/logo and to all official correspondence, and to require businesses locating to the county to agree in writing that they will support the resolution.
(Blockchain wants to establish “innovation zones” in nearby Storey County, with their own justice and tax systems. Reminds me of Kentucky Coal Mines, with their Baldwin-Felts “detectives”and their company stores.)
This announcement timing has to have something to do with the California Recall. Can’t let the recall go forward.
Along with the extension of the Executive Order allowing access to state voting databases.
Along with the food shortages and short supplies that we have been and are seeing again.
Chuck in there a market correction coming.
Along with the ending of benefits and moritorium on evictions.
And the sheep will beg for it to all end.
Someone made a comment on CTH or another site about the ammo shortage.
They are making one mistake in the end: the ones who would defend this country from enemies external and within, and actually have the cajones to do, and have the training to do so, have long ago stocked up.
I pray to God that I do not have to use my training against fellow Americans.
“…Protect it from enemies, both foreign and domestic…” Either way, they are an enemy of our Constitution! I don’t consider an enemy as a fellow!
First they tagged our ears with a social security number and eighty years later… this.
The response is to cut off your ear.
Well, Biden didn’t win, and each day it looks more and more like it was a coup and the forces that have put this in motion seem to be settling in for the long haul.
Over on the Federalist, article says the National Archives has placed a “Harmful Content” notice on the website for the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights:
https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/08/national-archives-issues-harmful-content-warning-on-constitution-all-other-founding-documents/
All this maneuvering for a little control over land – land that has laid there for billions of years – and grabbing of invented currency, on a tiny little pin prick in the cosmos with only 80 years to enjoy it if you’re lucky.
No wealth is truly ever acquired only borrowed fleeting in time.
Will humanity ever outgrow its petty traits. Stay tuned.
Here is something to think about and it is good news. The CDC has changed it’s definition of a vaccine. I presume this was because of all the comments about the Covid “vaccines” not being a vaccine.
This is their new definition :
Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
Now the way I read that it means Vit D, Ivermectin, HQC, Vit C , Zinc can now be classed as vaccines. So anyone being locked out of a job, a flight on a plane , a University or any other activity has valid case assuming they take one of of these or other similar products.
It will be interesting to see how long this new definition lasts !!
This is the change they made. Vaccines now offer protection, not immunity.
Yes they changed the definition of a vaccine AND vaccination. What I have quoted above is the new VACCINE definition.
See Alex Berenson’s post.
He got kicked off Twitter for saying the vaccines don’t work, they changed the definition of work.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/a-lawsuit-in-three-acts
George Orwell’s Twenty Twenty-One. The story takes place in the present, the year 2021…
https://www.quotes.net/authors/George+Orwell,+1984
If you thought you heard F Joe Biden chants last weekend, just wait until he brings this out.
He’s past his sell by date.
This BS might fly in some blue states but it won’t here in Texas.
Jack it up Joe. Let’s get down to business.
He’ll probably deal with that by banning it –
I dont comply. Not here or in Austin. No mask and go where I please.
And there’s plenty here just like me.
I have no idea and can only imagine how difficult it is for folks in other parts of the country.
Folks down here have a history of being a little ornery, and it doesn’t take much to get them pissed off.
Life here is ok, not a lot of government coercion, except for government buildings and such.
Nobody gives a rat’s a** what slow Joe says, we’re gonna do what we want.
The answer is simple, Just say NO.
Joe promised in the campaign he would end Covid. FAIL !
Doesn’t matter. They don’t CARE. If Biden goes out, Kamala comes in. People hate her…they don’t CARE.
Aint gonna fly here in rural western Rhode Island either. Most likely the rural areas of most of the Blue states either. Even with the big cheat of 2020, check out the US county map of Trump Vs Biden. Don’t be gaslighted by Blue vs Red state divide.
BIG headlines yesterday and today
I smell the globalists behind this
Is Pfizer colluding with Labor to topple the Morrison Government?
Australia initially resisted buying the vaccines because they had to sign an agreement
WHAT WAS IN THE AGREEMENT?
DID PFIZER TRY TO EXTORT THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT?
Obviously this agreement was the sticking point which is why the Min of Health didnt jump when Pfizer snapped its fingers
Labor is claiming it has proof the Morrison government deliberately delayed striking a vaccine deal with Pfizer when the global race to secure supply was on last year.
Emails expose deliberate Pfizer delay: Labor
Labor is claiming it has proof the Morrison government deliberately delayed striking a vaccine deals with Pfizer when the global race to secure supply was on last year.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/emails-expose-governments-deliberate-delays-with-pfizer-labor/news-story/ca018e9e193af22bbc6b6ac604a899ea?utm_source=TheAustralian&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=TA_BREAKING_CUR_04&net_sub_id=@@@@@%@@@@&type=curated&position=1&overallPos=1&utm_source=TheAustralian&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=emailname_
Well if the deal was like the ones Pfizer pushed on many other countries (the deals were basically extortion) then Morrison was correct to balk at what the wanted and if that delayed things so be it. The delay may have saved a few lives in the long run, as we all found out more about the “vaccines”.
This video explains it all: https://www.wionews.com/videos/gravitas-pfizers-abusive-vaccine-deals-366048
The Biden poll ratings and favorability, or lack therein, do not factor into the plan of action. Those issues are irrelevant because elections are rigged.
They’re also irrelevant because tyrants don’t care what the masses think. In fact, they’d prefer that most of us were dead!
good thing we have a strong republican party and the supreme court on our side
Whew! No kidding. So glad you posted that reminder. I was starting to worry.
They use their aggression towards us like they have a noose around our neck, to instill fear, making sure the torment is painful enough in order to try and obtain complete compliance. They will have to kill me before this country gal complies and I know there are many who feel as I do. I take a stand not for myself but for my children and grandchildren, and I only fall to my knees for God.
Time for American Truckers & Teamsters to shut down DC?
Lowest vaccination rates? African Americans & Latinos?
Who will be kicked out of the University of California (vaccination already mandatory), Federal jobs, restricted travel, etc., for non compliance?
During Obama’s terms as president, the Left learned that they could push a totalitarian agenda much farther than they had previously thought. Now they’re going for all the marbles … full tilt, as hard & as fast as they can to seize as much ground as possible. It is breathtaking to watch.
This makes me physically nauseous. All this for a disease which for most age groups have 99%+ survival rate. And the ones who have caught it we know have much better immunity than vax’d. Multiple reputable organizations have confirmed this including the Cleveland Clinic. I almost forgot to mention the vaccine does nothing to stop the spread. The only thing they will tell you is you won’t get as sick. That’s reassuring especially coming from people who promised me the disease did not come from a lab and Covid vaccines will stop the spread.
So what are we looking at here? Why do the entire Western Nations insist on its citizens getting a vaccine where there have been many reported deaths and injuries? You can answer money, or you can say control and I am sure there’s an element of both. But I suspect depopulation is the answer as it’s the only thing that makes the equation work. Nothing else they have been doing makes sense with throwing the depop word into it; bear in mind similar countries.
Here’s what I am thinking. LE here in the US is more localized than in Australia I think. Many local and state cops are resisting mandates in different cities. I don’t think they’re going to much care to enforce this. So will they then turn to the National Guard? I suspect a good many might defect as they will not feel comfortable shooting fellow citizens. Yeah I know the woke ones will but they might have second thoughts when the population fires back.
So what can they do? Will they try and starve us? The good news is Biden and the Democrats have managed to alienate much of LE and military. I don’t mean the woke generals. Things are getting ready to accelerate at frightening pace. Guys finish up your last minute plans. Hopefully most of you have done some kind of preparation for the times to come. Let’s show them that America is not past her time yet and better days lie ahead without Communists, Fascists, and Totalitarians.
Why does his plan need to avoid Constitutional limitations? The Constitution means nothing to these people. They’ve been steam-rolling over it for years on end. Why should they care now? If they ignore it, who will challenge them? And why should we have any confidence in the SC if a case were to make it to the SC and they were to take it on?
We’re living in a post-Constitutional, re-constituted America. Anything goes.
Tell me I’m wrong.
Sadly, you’re not wrong.
I wish I could.
I will have to give Levin credit on this. He’s been calling America post-constitutional for over 10 years.
This regime thumbs its nose at the Supreme Court. They won’t be slowed down by judicial rulings.
How could any federal medical mandates be constitutional?
Great, I already can’t sleep at night.
I suspect a similar plan is being planned for Canada. This is the reason behind Prime Minister Trudeau’s sudden election call. He needs a majority to force it through Parliament. Five eyes connection.
Biden can’t write legislature. Who will write and who will pass this fascist bill?
The left and the RINOs: We don’t need no stinking bill.
Went to my bank yesterday.. It is not the big ones like Chase or BOA but it it located
up and down the East Coast.
I went in and they asked if I had my debit card. I said no I don;t normally carry it on my person.
I asked why.. She said they are now using it as verification , it is connected to my PROFILE.
She said it was ok that I didn;t have it this time , they will gently remind customers to bring it.
Why isn;t my liscense good enough for ID anymore? made me wonder what is up will have to
monitor this situation. But yet if I go thru the drive thru I don;t think they ask for it.
will go thru the drive thru this week and see if they ask for it.
Consider switching to a local credit union.
Waiting for the day when they announce you can no longer receive medical treatment/ care if you’re not jabbed. (For Am. citizens only of course–anybody else can receive treatmnt if not jabbed, just not the American)
Put on a fake accent and burn your “papers.” Viola! Free everything and no mandates.
Australian public health chief: “We will be looking at what contact tracing looks like in the New World Order.”? ? ?
OK, my Digger brothers, give ’em hell. “Contacts? Well…..I beat up a Yowie in the bush yesterday….then me and this bloody big red roo had a fight out back last night, does that count? Then a platypus bit me on the way home…..those type of contacts, mate?”
“The U.S. version tenuously has to avoid the pesky issues with constitutional limitations on government that are not present in France or Australia”.
Really? Since when?
Maybe I’m whistling past the graveyard, but in the conservative area where I live, masks weren’t ever really enforced. I can’t see ‘vaccine passports’ being enforced either. A large contingent of people still haven’t been vaccinated, and stores aren’t going to lose 40% of their business to enforce this. Yeah, I understand the corporations are in the tank, but the individual stores owners and employees need to make money. Wal-Mart where I live just let you walk right in without challenging you for not having a mask.
See my comment on the daily “Presidential Politics” September 9th topic: I believe Atlas is shrugging. Americans in certain areas like yours – and mine – are just ignoring the fear and the idiocy.
Many of the walmart employees where I live either aren’t wearing a mask or have it at half mast. The grocery store where I shop, no employees wear them and dang few of the customers wear them.
time to ditch the “smart” cell phone
Will the “vaccine passport” include not allowing you on any airline flights (domestic or international) without it? Charging extra to get on a plane if you’re unvaxxed?
Probably.
There is no logic employed at all. The so-called “vaccines” are literally causing variants around the world. So, why on God’s Green Earth would the government try to force its citizen into this scam? Look at Israel for crying out loud. Highest percentage of “vaccinated” in all the world. Now their hospitals are overflowing with with Wuhan Red Death cases. 89% of which have been “vaccinated”. Again, no logic. Just do as you’re told. Sit down, shut up, pay your taxes and obey. This is what tyranny looks like.
But this has never been about health, this has always been about the final takeover that has been coming for years. Hillary was suppose to oversee the end ,but Trump interrupted that and so they bring along Biden, who they know is incapacitated, control him and bring forth the end game for total control. Biden will be a by product. The response of the American citizen will determine the outcome of the world. God needs to see us through.
” The U.S. version tenuously has to avoid the pesky issues with constitutional limitations on government”
Then there is that pesky 2nd Amendment…….
Those pictures last weekend of college football stadiums filled with non-mask wearing fans…….70-100k each…..the Dems cannot have if they are to have mail in voting. And they need mail in balloting to remain in power.
And this is where we are.
We have never been so controlled by one party and their interests in our history.
And those who abide or push the narrative suffer no consequence while those who simply express themselves and their beliefs are targeted.
Whatever comes out of Biden’s mouth will not be his own words. Will not suggest you have control over your body or take any consideration for natural immunity. And will suggest your employer has the right to dictate vaccine requirements even if you have high levels of antibodies from natural immunity.
Remember Pfizer’s history:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
I don’t know why I’m bothering when it’s too late. The time to fight this was in March 2020.
Here’s why that definition of a vaccine was changed:
A lawsuit in three actsHey, Twitter, can you hear me now?
Alex Berenson
Act 1, Aug. 26, 2021 (and before): The CDC defines a vaccine as “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease.”
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/a-lawsuit-in-three-acts
Some of us have been fighting this war, alone, for decades. We’ve been lied about, spit on, trampled on, battered and bruised, but we never gave up the fight. You’re welcome.
I think I’ll just go pop some popcorn and watch how the rest of you non-anti-vaxxers handle it from here.
I hear you, TwoLaine.