A very interesting release by ODNI John Ratcliffe [LINK] highlights a June 25, 2020 response from the FISA court to the DOJ. There are five issues queried by the DOJ seeking guidance from the FISC. Each issue points to a specific path being taken by the DOJ in general… and the John Durham probe specifically.
Today, the ODNI, in consultation with the Department of Justice, releases a June 25, 2020, opinion by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) evaluating and approving limited circumstances under which the Government may temporarily retain, use, or disclose information that was unlawfully acquired pursuant to a FISC order. (more)
Important note: We are looking at this in hindsight. The response from the FISC was dated June 25, 2020, so the request for opinion from the court was before June 25th.
The court opinion tells us for the first time, the DOJ is admitting/stating that ALL FOUR of the Carter Page FISA applications were corrupt upon origination. This is a big deal. In previous filing with the court (January 2020) DOJ only refuted the predication for the second and third renewal.
Within the FISC reply we see the DOJ stating all four submissions contained material omissions and violations of “the duty of candor” (ie. lying) by the FBI investigative unit and the DOJ team that assembled the application(s).
As we look closely at the response we see some very specific language that tells a story.
Apparently the DOJ asked the FISA court for guidance on five very specific issues centering around the Carter Page FISA application. The DOJ is asking for legal guidance to assist them in disclosing information in the FISA file & evidence attached to the FISA file.
The five issues all circle around the FBI/DOJ use of the Carter Page FISA application; and, more importantly, the underlying evidence that is attached to the FISA application. The five topics are very interesting:
- DOJ requests guidance for distribution of material due to FOIA demands. FISC gives legal opinion.
- DOJ requests guidance for distribution of material due to ongoing and anticipated civil litigation. The FISC gives legal opinion and expands to criminal litigation.
- DOJ requests guidance for distribution of material to internal investigative units from the FBI inspectors division (INSD). FISC gives opinion and advice.
- DOJ requests guidance for distribution of non-minimized information, and/or, minimized information as part of the ongoing Office of Inspector General oversight. FISC gives opinion and guidance.
- DOJ requests guidance for distribution of material to John Durham probe, both for criminal prosecution and possible evidence gathering attached to other ongoing investigative needs. FISC gives opinion and guidance.
The opinion from the FISC is only 20 pages long [direct pdf here], and if you skip the citations it’s a pretty straight forward answer from Judge Boasberg to review. I would strongly urge everyone to take a few minutes and read it… carefully…. to see what John Durham was asking.
Pages #6 and #7 talk specifically about the different requirements for retention and distribution and outlines a cautious approach toward distribution. One of the disconcerting parts of this segment seems to be the FISA court subtly guiding the DOJ away from using non-minimized raw FISA material in prosecution of intentional malfeasance. On this issue the court says allowing a target to escape prosecution is part of the penalty upon the DOJ for wrongful assembly.
The court does not consider the DOJ is targeting the “assemblers” for their criminal conduct. Rather the response is general toward criminals who were targets of a FISA application assembled with corrupt intent. A little weird.
Pages #11 and #12 hit the topic of FOIA production. The court says “some” FOIA requests might warrant document distribution, but not all. However, on the topic of Carter Page getting his FOIA fulfilled, the court supports expansive distribution to Mr. Page.
I find the arguments and issues in/around page #14 to be especially noteworthy. In this segment the court is responding to the underlying raw evidence that would normally be used to assemble a “woods file”. The court notes the FBI Sentinel system would contain the minimized outcomes (redacted evidence) and this points to a bigger issue. READ:
Note the woods file would be what is in the Sentinel system. The government (Durham Probe) needs “access to the case file” beyond what is in the Sentinel system. Durham wants to see the raw data, the underlying raw intelligence.
Why?
It looks like Durham investigators were already on the trail of the special counsel creating a Woods file…. and/or wants to see if the Steele Dossier is the original substantive documentation that underpins the Woods file. Notice how INSD previously received “hard copies” of documentation that is presumed to be the Woods file.
Regardless of motive or investigative suspicion, someone wants to compare the raw intel to the intel that made it into the FBI/DOJ Sentinel system.
In response to this inquiry Judge Boasberg notes FBI investigators would have access to the minimized information within the Sentinel system; however, insofar as there was additional inquiry into the raw and non-minimized intelligence, a review and distribution would be permissible so long as there was a strong filter team in place to ensure statutes surrounding FISA security were not violated.
Overall, Boasberg gives permission and approval for all six aspects requested. However, he does so with several legal qualifiers and distinctions which the DOJ must observe.
Here’s the full reply and opinion. Strongly suggest the time to review:
[scribd id=476321905 key=key-mo7sKRXeJVCQr6TiGQq7 mode=scroll]
.
4 out 4
equals
Four more years. Woot woot!
I’ve said before: Thanks Stu.
It’s easy to mess with docs. It’s very hard to get the shenanigans past “the steno”. (Steno =Sentinel)
There is ZERO chance the Woods process was handled by just the lawyers/agents. An admin was involved somewhere and the Sentinel system cannot be wiped of that person ‘dotting’ an “i” or crossing a “t”
it’s nothin’ like the 90s but there is still a steno ‘pool’ if not in name…
Just ask Biden’s former ‘steno’. Can’t get his decline past him AND definitely can’t make him cop to a document change that he didn’t in fact make on behalf of his boss.
Tally- HO
Yeah, this thing should have some kind of admin logs. And those will make for some *very* interesting reading if someone has been playing games with it.
It’s not the data that gets people, it’s the metadata.
metadata is a bitch. Can’t wipe it. It’s always in the background.
I still say he’s owed at least six more! Let’s call them penalty years against the coup plotters.
To be fair PDJT is owed eight more years and apologies from every despicable Demonrat politician and all of their media boot lickers.
PDJT got so many things accomplished in 4 years while fighting this circus than Obama/Biden got done in 8 with the media wind at his back.
“On this issue the court says allowing a target to escape prosecution is part of the penalty upon the DOJ for wrongful assembly. . . . .
The court does not consider the DOJ is targeting the “assemblers” for their criminal conduct. Rather the response is general toward criminals who were targets of a FISA application assembled with corrupt intent. A little weird.”
Clearly, there is still resistance. The DOJ and Executive Branch can determine if they want to expose sources and methods and beyond that, why does anybody give a rat’s ass if the files are disclosed in full . . . except to protect bad cops.
Does this principle apply to innocent targets of illegal surveillance? That would mean that the penalty for illegally surveilling an innocent is to allow the innocent person to escape prosecution. What am I missing?
No if the process to obtain the surveillance warrant is faulty/illegal then information of a crime obtained cannot be used by the DOJ and the person/case must be dismissed.
It’s what set all the weatherman free …. illegal surveillance and all cases were dropped.
Unless the judge’s name is Sullivan.
Manafort?
Yes, but they use everything they find to not prosecute, but control and maybe blackmail their victim. There is the rub, Judge.
Hans: Anyone else think that set up would be a wet dream
for, say, the CIA? or FBI? Keep Ayers and company in
reserve for a rainy day. Might take 4 + decades,
but…..”here comes that rainnnnyyy day againnnn……”
If Durham and/or the IG use any NSA or Sentinel information to investigate comey, strozk, mccabe, weissman, mueller, priestap, halper, rosenstein, clapper, brennan et al, is Boasberg saying that the ‘government penalty’ is that they go free?
Is there a way around this by obtaining a retroactive warrant on the coup plotters, using only ‘non-spy” information? And by using a careful ‘taint team’?
Remember, Boasberg has apparently leftist-anti-trump amicus, and the FISC may now even be advised by Lisa Page !!!
Durham only asked the FISC for advice and guidance… FISC doc is ‘wierd’ but it actually only giae advice, suggesting a path,not a hard and fast binding ruling…
Remember, once the cat is out of the proverbial bag, the criminal assemblers will not be absolved of liability…
I hope you are right Road Runner.
It is not clear to me why the DOJ is asking the FISC for “advice”. The DOJ should be able to get Warrants from regular Federal Courts. But the FISC has sequestered the FISA Evidence, so this may just apply to those records?
Beau, it seems to me, that DOJ asked permission/advice to DOJ to go ahead and release the information that is available vis-a-vis the ‘fruit’ of the 4 fraudulent FISA warrants…
I read the FISC’s response as, while agreeing that complainants to civil cases, in particular Cater Page, should absolutely be provided with all info and go forward… And FISA ‘fruit’ should also be distributed to other civil and criminal cases…
IT is when it comes to the FBI/DOJ wrong doers, in assembling the ‘Wood File’ data, that the FISC attempts to tamper down distribution IF it would be used to punish FBI/DOJ criminals, whose criminal actions resulted in the FISC granting the FISA warrants in the first place…
Interesting or maybe Weird that Boasberg, doesn’t seem too bothered to address what the FISC really thinks about being repeatedly lied to by the FBI/DOJ assemblers of what we ALL now know was blatantly false representation to the FISC… Almost like the FISC just wants their approving the warrants to just simply go away…
Quite a paradox the bastards in the FISC have boxed themselves into… This is what I suspect is what Sundance termed as “Weird”…
In summary it seems like Durham and Barr are in deed on the right track and due to the WuFlu they were side tracked/delayed for about 4 months or so… Hence the disconnect of matters “will be coming out sometime in the late Summer” was not met… Four months has shifted it all to the Fall…
That said I like all of you want more than a pound of flesh… I want the bastards to Hang and I don’t care if it is a HIGH tree or not… I just want their feet to not reach the ground…
Peace out and lets keep fighting to Re-Elect PDJT…
Other wise nothing else will matter…
🙂 Guidance, we don’t need no stinking guidance, PDJT’s on the helm.
I get the impression this paragraph, where the Court seems to be weighing allowing a target to escape prosecution or not, gives the impression the Court is actually weighing how for it, the Court, is willing to go for when the tables fully turn and it is Donald Trump the individual, private citizen, or any member of his family, or inner circle, who were illegally spied on via FISA searches, decide it’s their turn to go after the “asssemblers”
typo instead of “how for it . . .” should be “how far it, the Court . . .”
why does anybody give a rat’s ass if the files are disclosed in full
Perhaps Carter Page is the ONE “anybody” who gives a “rat’s ass”??
Some of this is his illegally collected private communications.
Oh… and HIS PERSONAL STUFF obtained through physical searches of his PROPERTIES.
Isn’t he suing the gov’t? Won’t it all come out because of that?
Yes he has a civil lawsuit.
It’s addressed in this opinion…pg 12-14 specifically:
“The government advises that, on October 12, 2019, Page himself filed a complaint
against DOJ alleging FOIA and Privacy Act violations, including that he was improperly denied access to his own records…….
The Court consequently concludes that§§ I 809(a)(2) and I 827(a)(2) do not prohibit
use or disclosure insofar as necessary for the good-faith conduct of litigation of any future claims brought by Page seeking redress for unlawful surveillance and search or disclosure of the results of such surveillance and search. ”
“Won’t it ALL come out because of that”
That’s precisely what this opinion is addressing.
The surveillance and physical searches were ILLEGAL.
So all the EVIDENCE the DOJ/FBI has in their possession THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE.
In this opinion, the Judge is now ruling on HOW evidence collected ILLEGALLY
can be used LEGALLY moving forward and how it can be disseminated.
Remember they potentially obtained ALL of Carter Page’s communications for years and actually INFILTRATED his property for physical searches.
HIS ENTIRE LIFE…his pictures, his journals, his foibles, his qwerks……everything is at risk of exposure.
The judge is establishing the guardrails to protect him.
If you were Carter Page would you want ALL your stuff to come out…..especially if it was illegally collected?
I assume if he is suing for large amounts of money that he would need to show the court/jury the extent of the illegal breach of his privacy. Could criminal prosecutions use the information if sealed by the court in those proceedings? Could the DOJ settle with Page and get his permission to use the files?
We can assume away…..but
Any assumptions must adhere to these guidelines by order of the Judiciary Branch.
Page 20-21
For the reasons stated above, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED as follows:
(I) With regard to the third-party FOIA litigation, see supra pp. 9-10, and the pending litigation with Page, see supra p. 12, the government may use or disclose Page FISA information insofar as necessary for the good-faith conduct of that litigation;
(2) With regard to any future claims brought by Page seeking redress for unlawful
electronic surveillance or physical search or for disclosure of the results of such surveillance or search, the government may use or disclose Page FISA information insofar as necessary to the good-faith conduct of the litigation of such claims;
(3) Further use or disclosure of Page FISA information is permitted insofar as necessary to effective performance or disciplinary reviews of government personnel, provided that any such use or disclosure of raw information is permitted only insofar as a particular need to use or
disclose the specific information at issue has been demonstrated. This paragraph applies, but is not limited to, use by, and disclosure by or to, the FBI’s INSD or OPR;
(4) Further use or disclosure of Page FISA information by DOJ OIG is permitted only
insofar as necessary to assess the implementation of Recommendation 9 of the OIG Report;
5) Further use or disclosure of Page FISA information is permitted only insofar as
necessary to investigate or prosecute potential crimes relating to the conduct of the Page or Crossfire Hurricane investigations, provided that any such use or disclosure of raw information
is permitted only insofar as a particular need to use or disclose the specific information at issue has been demonstrated. This paragraph applies, but is not limited to, use by, and disclosure by
or to, personnel engaged in the review being lead by United States Attorney Durham. See supra p.17;and
(6) By January 29, 2021, and at intervals of no more than six months thereafter, the
government shall submit under oath a written report on the retention, and any use or disclosure, of Page FISA information.
I am beginning to wonder if President Trump is aware of the goings on of the Durham Investigation through OUTSIDE intel??????
sounds like a “Lawfare” interpretation of justice…
Let’s boil this down to plain English. The FISA Court’s twisted notion of a “penalty” allowed the DOJ’s deep sh8t state obozobots to escape prosecution for their repeated violations of the 4th Amendment between 2015 and 2017. This emboldened the obozobots to play stall ball, thereby helping them steal the House in 2018, and possibly the WH and Senate in 2020,
“What a country.”
What document did YOU read?
No one is going to steal the White House. Trump will win. The Senate, I don’t know, but we need it for the Supreme Court.
Barr needs to protect Mueller.
Sundance,
Because much of this is around the CP FISA Leak and with your recent conversations exposing SSA Dugan’s surveillance/investigative report using the trace date on the FISA released to the Senate SCIF room, does this give you more hope that justice will be served on the CP FISA leak?
Further confirmation that the FISA Court should be abolished.
Exactly. FISA court is for wimpy Presidents who sit on there hands waiting for a terrorist attack (or that’s their story). With PDJT at the helm…we’ll, it’s a different world today isn’t it?
AND YOU BH HAVE HIT THE NAIL SQUARE…President Trump will be the STANDARD for which presidents following him will be assessed…
Excellent observation with a real President in charge we don’t need it, I agree shut it down, pull the plug on NSA more trouble than’s it worth. I wish “we the people “ were really in charge.
When Trump wins this time around and we started weeding out the deep state conspiracists like everyone says the right way vote them out, it would take several decades to remove them all. I’d never live long to see it.
I agree with the first part however the second part. It will NOT take decades. Instead, President Trump is going to “upset the apple cart” in ways these people have never thought of. I am talking about the Senior Execute Service!!! This is where the NEFARIOUS INDIVIDUALS LIE!!!! AND HAVE CAUSED THE MOST PROBLEMS…
NOTE: A history lesson of the Senior Executive Service:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Service_Reform_Act_of_1978…UNDER CARTER due to WATERGATE!!!!!
“ALL FOUR of the Carter Page FISA applications were corrupt upon origination”
BOOM!
Atomic boom
like KABOOM…..or CACABOOM?
CACABOOM was what got live-streamed on Nanzi’s driveway the other day.
Hehehe, I’d go with Caca.
If Mueller used info from the FISA warrants to indict and prosecute people, then this would seem to reverse any convictions as being fruit from a poisonous tree. Big deal.
I don’t remember anyone being prosecuted using FISA information..
Manafort was money issues from years before..
Gen Flynn was due to a phone conversation.. I believe also outside of FISA..
The big deal in my humble opinion would be that the House cannot obtain any of the mueller report thru legal action.. sorry Jerry Nadler.
They used parallel construction on Manafort. Some of it was pretty blatant. Like two AP reporters just happened to report exactly where Manafort was storing all his financial papers and even gave the FBI the pin code for the storage locker. Yeah right. They couldn’t get Manafort previously because they couldn’t get the proof, but the proof just magically fell right in their laps this time around.
What info ONLY obtained through an illegal Carter Page FISA warrant
was actually used in any of Mueller’s convictions…or even his indictments???
Not seeing it.
SPYING on Trump campaign and later Trump administration seem to be the only reason for this.
Bash potentially could answer this with his “unmasking” probe.
Also
Nunes’ March 2017 press conference after his WH Visit…..
“unmaskings” of Trump transition team having nothing to do with Russia collected as a result of a “legal” warrant
HERE:
Is what Nunes saw
unmaskings of Trump people as a result of two hop from Carter Page FISA collections distributed amongst Obama Admin officials??
I’m pretty sure that two hop FISA warrants were used to investigate Manafort. They just didn’t use that evidence in court. They used parallel construction, were they already had the information from a FISA warrant or other intelligence monitoring and used that to construct semi plausible ways to obtain the same information using conventional investigative techniques. Like for instance, using the Page FISA warrants say they had emails or texts that gave the location of Manafort’s secret financial records and the pin code for the storage locker. Then some enterprising USADA or FBI agent just happens to show that information to a reporter (that may or may not be on the pad for the CIA) and that reporter just happens to feel duty bound to break all journalistic ethics and report that information back to some different FBI agents. That would be one form of very lazy parallel construction.
Another would be knowing from an illegal signals intelligence request that Manafort was using a certain app on his iPhone to communicate about his alleged crimes and the requesting that information from Apple with a national security letter. Then Apple just hands over Manafort’s whole iCloud account with no warrant or soupena. I think that’s how they “broke” the Manafort case.
Manafort had been carousing with questionable foreigners for YEARS.
(Therefore the 702 incidental collection of Manafort dates back years and most likely fills volumes)
His financial crimes for which he was convicted were investigated for YEARS.
Prosecution of these specific Manafort crimes had been declined by RR years ago.
The only new thing they had was “the Black Ledger”
Manafort’s prosecution for financial crimes was not made so does not fall based on anything they could get through CP two-hop.
On the other hand…
the Special Counsel’s office PHONE WIPING “problem” may be an angle that Manafort could exploit on appeal
Sundance had an earlier article on this topic:
DOJ Admits Two FISA Applications Lacked Cause – FISA Court Requests Information on Consequences: What Other Prosecutions Relied on the Invalid Warrants?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/01/23/doj-admits-two-fisa-applications-lacked-cause-fisa-court-requests-information-on-consequences-what-other-prosecutions-relied-on-the-invalid-warrants/
“The FBI has agreed to “sequester” all information and evidence received as an outcome of all the FISA warrants issued against Carter Page. Meaning, all material, in any court proceeding or subsequent secondary warrant on another target, application, filing, motion, prosecution or downstream use of the information gathered and obtained; the FBI will now assemble all materials, from any location, that stemmed from the Carter Page FISA warrants.
In essence, the FBI will now look and retrieve any evidence that stemmed as an outcome of the Carter Page FISA warrant. Some of this material *may* (perhaps likely) will be in the Special Counsel Mueller investigation.
[ie. a proverbial search for the fruit of a poisonous tree. Where is it?]
Once the sequestration has taken place, the DOJ will then be able to determine to the court what collateral impacts they have identified.
The DOJ has yet to inform the court how exactly they plan to do this, or when they anticipate to have completed the task. However, the FBI has agreed to undertake this sequestration for ALL of the FISA applications, not just the two renewals they now admit are invalid.”
Did Mueller use any information from the FISA warrants to indict Rodger Stone? Could be a very big deal.
I guess there will be a lot of “loose bowels” in the coming days…Wonder if they are going to need a MAJOR SUPPLY OF DEPENDS!!!!!!!
Two, does a boom make a sound if no MSM is around to report on it? Like the tree falling in the woods.
It’s only a boom if something happens. I pray something does.
-1.) They admitted it was all a pack of lies. ALL 4 of them.
-2,) God knows.
-3.) Ww know.
-4.) Carter Page and everyone who was dragged into their net knows and so do their attorneys.
It may have taken forever, but even in the IRS scandal targeting conservatives victims they eventually won in court against the IRS and the least transparent and most corrupt adm9insistration in history, at least since Mr. ILLaryClinton.
Lou Dobbs just reported it. Thank you Lou! 🙂
“And why redact the date of the copy?”
I see the date… it’s the TIME that is redacted! Maybe someone figures that the black hats are on to the ol’ switched-date trick? Really?
The nightmare only begins when you realize that Chief Justice John Roberts is the head of the FISA Court.
Kirsty I, you certainly bring up a very profound point. From Ovomitcare to the Flynn judgement debacle, this CJ has refused to follow the rule of law, the Constitution and yeah let’s throw in the Bill of Rights (of which most Americans have none, as shown by previous government actions).
I would love to have a private conversation with our Lion President Trump regarding this Roberts of the Supreme Land.
And the fact there is no way for We the People to remove him is asinine.
That dismal fact is always on my mind, especially given the tens of thousands of illegal accesses private contractors made with zero oversight.
That said, FISC did force Barr to bring in outside US Attorneys with their sequester order.
Or was that just more kabuki theater?
The game is afoot… Release the hounds of hell…
Amén!! Let ’em loose!!
We are the hounds of hell.
Keep that in mind.
Damn right… So slip you chain and get after the heathens…
Havoc!
The court does not consider the DOJ is targeting the “assemblers” for their criminal conduct. Rather the response is general toward criminals who were targets of a FISA application assembled with corrupt intent. A little weird.”
Bad boys! Bad boys! You shouldn’t fabricate evidence to frame innocent people! Now don’t do it again!
The lesson learned of course will be just don’t get caught doing it again, dudes or, we’ll have to scold you a second time.
They’ll keep on doing it until they face slammer time.
I think that it’s indicating the targets of the FISA document will not be subjected to punishment based on the fraudulent FISA documents alone.
EXACTLY…But the REAL Question is: WILL these NEFARIOUS INDIVIDUALS BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW POSSIBLE?
Looks to me like these questions referred to the FISA court are specifically geared toward that eventuality.
This is New information to me that leads me to think there has bern more going on in the Durham investigation than what appears.
I take that statement the same way.Court is saying- no one that was intruded on as a result of the fraudulent FISA warrants can be arrested using evidence gained during the illegal search.
That’s interesting because I’m sure Stone and others will have something to say about that…..my guess….that’s how they got evidence against him. Although Stone is a POS he still has rights and doesn’t deserve to have the gov illegally spying on him to get him.
And lastly, how can this be released and no one is arrested in the future?
Huh???
PG 21
5) Further use or disclosure of Page FISA information is permitted only insofar as
necessary to investigate or prosecute potential crimes relating to the conduct of the Page or Crossfire Hurricane investigations, provided that any such use or disclosure of raw information is permitted only insofar as a particular need to use or disclose the specific information at issue has been demonstrated. This paragraph applies, but is not limited to, use by, and disclosure by or to, personnel engaged in the review being lead by United States Attorney Durham”
OIG lays out Crossfire Hurricane was handled by the FBI until May 17, 2017 at which point it was handed over to the Special Counsel’s Office.
So this language doesn’t even exclude Mueller.
Seems all the court is doing here is acknowledging that all the material collected was done illegally “under color of law” and now wants to set some clear guardrails as to how it is now disseminated.
He even rejects the idea that all this material should be destroyed or ONLY given to the “defendant” (ie Carter Page)
So it seems that this closes no doors.
Your not considering how much was leaked to the media and was in their possession befor the Durham investigation.
No I am.
Leaks to media is water under the bridge.
The court is giving guidance as to HOW evidence collected—the result of ILLEGAL ELECTRONIC and PHYSICAL surveillance can be disseminated and used—LEGALLY moving forward.
Illegally collected evidence used legally.
Imagine the DOJ has in their direct possession…. ALL of your communications dating back YEARS and broke into your property and collected/photographed/catalogued EVERYTHING YOU OWN.
Would you want that all available to anyone that wants to go through it??
The game is laundering illegal evidence. Feed it to the media, media writes a story, use the media’s story as evidence.
Yes.
Note this is now a COURT ORDER specifically noting how Carter Page FISA collected material may be used.
Also note…..
The redactions to the clerk stamp that SD pointed out.
Leak this material at your own risk.
So, are you saying you think this is a leak trap?
SD pointed it out,
Ratcliffe himself has also called attention to the leak problems he’s encountered since becoming DNI.
And he’s the one that finally released this publicly after 3 mos.
So….yeah, it could be.
Worked before, didn’t it?
I asked because that was my first thought. It’s innocuous and easily missed. I think it is and this is them telling everyone- we set a trap. Which one of you fell for it.
Give it a few days and someone swamp creature will come forward either on camera or in an op ed. They will expose themselves.
Look backwards not forwards for signs.
The opinion stamped and dated by our old friend LeeAnn Flynn Hall Clerk of the Court June 25.
The stamp on the last page notes a COPY of the original by someone identified as deputy clerk. I think both a name and date or initials are redacted.
Hopefully this means things are moving forward. Would be nice to see a few indictments before the election, especially from the Mueller team.
This is quite revealing.
In baseball if you go 0-4 with 4 strikeouts…it’s called “The Cock Hat”….it’s self explanatory. I’m ready to see the SC members face charges for falsifying the Woods File. Looking at you Weissman, and may you rot in hell.
Yeah, how that turd-head can go out in public is beyond me.
If anyone sees him, they should just make him UNCOMFORTABLE.
Then all you have to do is have a commoner server him dinner.
Sundance
Did you get an advance copy? I see no one else is covering this yet.
The media wouldn’t, as in refused, to cover the Mideast peace deal by President Trump.
They ain’t gonna touch THIS no way, no how. Kills their natrative dontchaknow…..
I hope someone sends it to Robert Barnes on Twitter. He would cover it. I believe Sidney Powell would too ?
The last interview of Sidney Powell I heard her say the the NSA database was abused by the private contractors that used confidential information for profit, as per Sundance!
I still have a faint hope that Durham has been using the dcsa.mil to investigage abuse of the NSA database by contractors. It is their job after all.
Where are the official Damage Assessments of the massive unauthorized access to the NSA Database?????
Does it matter to anyone that our NSA Database is insecure and was breached?????
I’d go after the private contractors. Put them in jail or make them sing.
Check the link for the pdf he posted above.
Thought Catherine Herridge tweeted out something this an
Indictments FROM the Mueller team or FOR the Mueller team?
Well…..the roadblocks are all being lifted in a very deliberate procedural way…..
(albeit slow)
No non-predicated investigations, leaks for narrative, leaks of fake surveillance, and even has participation of the FISC (Judiciary)
Barr’s “excuses” for doing nothing are dwindling and if they exist…
are self induced.
This is encouraging if it is proceeding at a deliberate pace. That means that there is going to be prosecutions that stick. The charges may not about the high level charges but ones that are lower but can’t be refuted. Look at Clinesmith’s charge. Obviously he committed serious perjury but got a lesser charge. Guilty is guilty.
On the web site “Red State” a blogger shipwreckcrew has done a really good job of explaining how careful Durham has to be to have a case that sticks. He contrasts it with Weissman’s overturned cases like Enron and Flynn. He didn’t have it all together and when push came to shove his cases fell apart though after the damage has been done.
Sundance points out the date in June is when the Opinion was written. The response took some time before that.
Durham seems to be asking for the actual raw info behind the IC: the right question per Sundance.
Yes, good point about Clinesmith, but my read is that he coud still be prosecuted for those other charges, like if he reneged on a promise to testify against others, as he did not get immunity except for the one charge is my understanding.
I am also hopeful that the same also applies to Wolfe; he was not charged with leaking classified materials, but neither was he given immunity from prosecution. I’m hoping Wolfe has been squeezed by Durham to go after Warner.
IF the law is followed…
shipwreckedcrew makes sense to me too.
I wonder how far down the road we would be without Impeachment and Covid.
BTW: Clinesmith committed more than perjury…..the same thing PapaD was accused of by Mueller 18 U.S. Code § 1519
Shipwreckedcrew had a great write up on the Clinesmith aspect as well
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/09/01/andrew-weissmann-wants-kevin-clinesmith-to-stop-snitchen/
So the FISA Court has found a “lack of candor” by DOJ and FBI. Exactly what steps has the Court taken to address this misbehavior, all by attorneys.
Are we going to learn next that in the super secret fantasy land our 3 branches of government function in, the FISA Court made secret bar complaints against the offenders, who have since been secretly disbarred and fined?
Are we going to learn instead that — to protect “us” in absolute secrecy — the FISA Court’s only sanction was to bar the offenders from appearing before the FISA Court in the future? What a “remedy!”
Criminal behavior is prosecutable behavior.
Any honest Federal Court would promptly withdraw any fake, tainted Order (such as a Warrant) ‘nunc pro tunc’ – now as then-) to give it no effect as if it never existed. Certainly the fake FISAs still not officially withdrawn should not protect the illegal spying ! And any honest Federal Court would protect the propriety and credibility of its proceedings and ethics rules, by promptly holding hearings to discipline liars, perjurers, withholders of required evidence, and conspirators, including fines and referrals for prosecution and disbarment.
But NOT this secret Star Chamber Court, despite its self-admittedly extra-heavy responsibility for honest proceedings because of its secrecy and unrepresented defendants.
Faced with corruption and heinous denial of civil rights under color of law , the FISC (whose only reason for existence is to protect civil rights), protects the corruptors.
The court offers pitiful punishment for these abuses. For instance, just because the warrants can’t be used for criminal prosecution does not mean they didn’t serve as a perfect cover for illegal searches. Once any “incriminating” evidence is obtained they can try through other Blackfoot channels to gain that same evidence through other legal means. (See Nellie Ohr). I’m also convinced the SDNY is now s dumping ground for any smidgeon of evidence so trumped up charges can be filed based on this illegally gotten NSA data. What a joke!
Lol Blackfoot is “back”- wow how did that happen?
And right on cue another SDNY case falls apart… I’ll gotten initial information from NSA? And then they harass certain individuals with it?
LeeAnn Flynn Hall is/was the Clerk of the FISC (Page 54 of the Carter Page application.) This notary is a “deputy clerk”. I suspect the redaction at the date is just the notary’s initials.
But, why? No reason to redact unless something is up. I think this is another leak trap.
It is normal to redact real names from release. The question should not be “why was the deputy clerk’s’ name redacted, but, rather why was the clerk’s name unredacted?
It’s all about asking the right questions.
How do you no Leann is a notary?
Stuff like this is why I just automatically assume people like Peter Strzok are just flat-out lying about their status in the criminal investigation. If the four FISAs were unlawful, then everyone involved in creating them is a party to the unlawful act. A criminal conspiracy, you might say generally. A seditious conspiracy you can say specifically. Also, a lot of people here talked about “color of law” violations last spring. Very interesting to see that specific language appear in the documents.
Not being a lawyer, color of law was a new term for me. But here we have a pretty clear-cut conspiracy to deprive multiple US persons of their Constitutional Rights (4th Amendment, for example), and that conspiracy started in 2016 and continued all the way through the Muller investigation.
Remember that After he was fired, Peter Strzok continued to go into the FBI under a visitor badge for months. This was plenty of time to bribe, blackmail or persuade an admin to create, alter or change files.
And to get their stories straight…
But wasn’t the final warrant under the direction of Meuller?
So, continued, in the sense that the Meuller Team knew they were lying to the FISA Court in the final application…
Great point. The fact that all four are fraudulent (as we already knew) in the public domain now, it forces Barr to have to address the Special Counsel. Especially since we know they wiped phones.
But, once again the media is silent. The general populace has no clue.
The investigation leaks have followed a certain, predictable, arc. The leaks this time last year were that “Durham” was talking to the low-level FBI and CIA officials who helped construct the Jan 2017 ICA. Then later, the leaks shifted to what the FBI was doing. In the spring, the leaks shifted more to the CIA. Late spring (starting with the dismissal of the Flynn case by DOJ), we started to see the leaks moving on to the Mueller team. Most everything interesting since then has been much more on the Mueller side – like the fact that all of the FISAs were illegal. Mueller’s people signed off on the June 2017 FISA request. Now we’re on to destruction of cell phones (and probably other records) by the Mueller team.
But all along the way, nobody indicted, nobody prosecuted. Smells a lot like nothing will happen at all. If all DOJ does is write a “report”, then the 2-tier justice system remains, and they’re just as guilty of using the DOJ to write a political document as the Obama Administration was.
When confronted with the inevitable accusations that they are frauds and liars, they’ll remain muted, say “there was nothing we could prove” and they’ll all go have beers together and laugh because none of their friends, nor they, are going to face a jury.
And none of these people ever will. Heck, Hillary broke phones and deleted emails, nothing. Huna’s lap top…yet nothing. All of everything revolving around Mueller, spying and “russia, russia, russia”- yet nothing.
Meanwhile John Public doesn’t puts a mask in certian states- fined and jailed. Businesses illegally forced to close. businsess owner refuses- licenses revoked and sometimes jail. BLM and Antifa terrorize innoncent citizens and destroy private property- judges let them go and Wray refuses to awknowledge them as a terrorist group all the while trying to elevate “white supremacist” groups that no one can see anywhere. Yet nothing is being done. Meanwhile us law abiding citizens keep having our rights stripped away while looters and rioters run rampant and that includes those in DC’s swamp filled halls too.
This is sort of hard to absorb.
How does the Mueller/Weissman run the DOJ like guerrilla commies for two years, indict and prosecute political enemies, leak everything they need to communicate discovered corruption so accomplices get their stories straight, coverup more crimes, and then delete all their phones on the way out the door with absolutely no consequence or questions from democrat or republican committees or criminal investigators??
And Durham has to tiptoe around asking judges opinions on how to proceed?? And they won’t use anything from Congress??
My only hope is they are making sure they have all their ducks in a row before they drop the hammer on these commie bastards. If it doesn’t happen in the next month it will never happen.
If someone thinks this is the big turnaround please convince me that justice is coming.
This shows to me that significant work was done in order to protect the admissibility of evidence in order to have valid prosecutions/indictments that will hold up in a criminal investigation and court trial.
It shows me that this is a very methodical well thought out approach to where the potential criminal violations occurred and where actionable criminality can be used to support the prosecutorial position.
I guess something has been being done.
Maybe I’m wrong about Barr and Durham.
I hope you’re right.
I would be very glad to eat crow. I heard it tastes like chicken, perfect for some gumbo.
Like a coot….terrible!
I found this: https://www.crowbusters.com/recipes.html
I think it would fit right into my gumbo with sausage, okra, tomatoes, bell peppers, onions, and dark brown roux.
Go for it, I’ll trust you to taste it for me!
Crow sucks. I’ve been eating an awful lot of it starting with Sessions.
Kinda lost my taste for it………………
Interesting thoughts. So, if I understand you- this opinion issued by the FISC is being done so that Durham’s efforts don’t get thrown out of court? And that is because he needs to use some of this ill-gotten evidence by the bad guys against the bad guys?
I’m not a lawyer but I can think so this is intriguing to me.
This is (in part) Carter Page’s ILLEGALLY COLLECTED STUFF.
Judge seems to want to set some guidelines as to what is disseminated and how it’s used.
I really don’t need to see any pictures of Carter wearing women’s panties
(if that happens his “thing”)
If that happen to be his “thing”
FWIW, Jon Solomon and Sidney Powell were on the Hannity’s radio program today. Both agreed Durham will not wrap up before the election and little to nothing will be forthcoming before then. Both said it was imperative that PTrump be re-elected.
How convenient for all involved. How predictable.
It is really inexcusable, it should have been wrapped up months ago, nothing is going to be done, no one will be held accountable. We cannot count on the election, It is now or never,,,,It may be time for President Trump to declassify it all and let the chips fall where they may.
No, that is unacceptable.
Direct your energy, increase your efforts, raise your voice and multiply your donations.
This is the dilemma: As AG, you have decided that DOJ needs to carry out work that’s not political, but what you need to investigate was very much political. Also, can you drop some of these principles this one time so that it never happens again, but then the next administration uses that excuse to double down on political? At least that’s the position he’s put himself in.
This is sort of hard to absorb.
How does the Mueller/Weissman run the DOJ like guerrilla commies for two years, indict and prosecute political enemies, leak everything they need to communicate discovered corruption so accomplices get their stories straight, coverup more crimes, and then delete all their phones on the way out the door with absolutely no consequence or questions from democrat or republican committees or criminal investigators??
And Durham has to tiptoe around asking judges opinions on how to proceed?? And they won’t use anything from Congress??
My only hope is they are making sure they have all their ducks in a row before they drop the hammer on these commie bastards. If it doesn’t happen in the next month it will never happen.
If someone thinks this is the big turnaround please convince me that justice is coming.
Thank you Mr. Ratcliffe.
And additional thanks to Sundance for disseminating such important information.
H&HC??
Ditto?
Trump is the problem with the FBI/DOJ. Appointing swamp creatures causes shady activity. Trump should play the long game by getting the Trump Train Conductors through Senate confirmation in low level positions to get easy confirmation. Then appoint RINOs for the Mitch coveted positions. The in true Trump fashion fire all of the RINO, and move the Trump Train conductors up into the positions they would have never got senate confirmation for. Since they already were confirmed Mitch can’t block them.
Sounds good to me!
If you were to look at the extremely large backlog in Senate committees or awaiting Senate confirmation of PT’s nominations at every agency in just the positions that you are talking about, you would understand that Mitch McConnell has also been slow walking most of PT’s “lower position” nominations for 3.5 years.
There are 100’s and 100’s of just the type of secondary and low level positions you are talking about that have not been filled. So Mitch has successfully blocked that avenue of moving “Trump Train conductors” into higher positions. The secondary ranks are still 95% system swamp creatures and/or Obama’s sycophants.
Pap, I agree. It’s time to move Mitch out . . . and put Fightin’ Roy Blunt in charge.
Again, ICYMI Barr is speaking in 6 minutes at the Hillsdale Constitution Day event.
Livestream.hillsdale.edu
Barr is giving Weissmann a beatdown without naming him.
Ooooh! That’ll shake Weissmann up all right.
Thanks, Bogey!
The best actor in an ongoing drama by an AG goes to …
Eric Holder…oh, darn, he already won it. Barr, sadly it’s Barr.
implies lower junior doj employees are preschoolers.
really hard tough.love talk about WHO IS THE BOSS and who is duty-bound to fall in line and start acting like professionals.
very solid talk considering he IS dealing with a very perverse and dysfunctional DOJ troop
just one question barr:. why do you allow these people in DOJ and FBI to continue? you have the power and the legal grpunds to clean house.
you should try this…it works
YOU’RE FIRED!
A little off topic but does this mean somewhere down the line coup plotters and participants will be charged like this too ?
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/barr-tells-prosecutors-they-could-file-sedition-charges-against-violent
I guess Barr’s Boss told him to get started and do it DAMN QUICK…Can’t sit on the pipes forever, don’t cha know!!!!
Carter Page was not viewed by the Mueller crooks as a significant stumbling block; he was a CIA Asset after all. In contrast, George Papadopoulos did present challenges ($10,000 worth of them) from the very beginning … and to this day. So, they damped on Carter Page (four times!). Just my opinion.
The FISC Clerk of Court is LeeAnn Flynn Hall. This is a deputy clerk of court.
Perhaps we need to look back at what was occurring in mid June that would have necessitated corresponding to the FISC.
We knew all of the Page filings were fatally flawed when communications revealed the FBI were fully aware of who Carter Page was before the first filing was dropped on the court.
My sense is those communications were recealed in that time frame.
I am no lawyer, but it seems to me the judge is largely green lighting the use of court filings to assess criminal jeopardy of individuals involved in those filings.
Hopefully the ‘classified’ information can be used to investigate the FISC judges who rubber-stamped the purloined FISA Warrants without question about why ‘2-hops’ were needed to spy on the President, the GOP campaign, and the WhiteHouse Executive Appointees without naming them as “Targets” and providing Constitutionally-required “Probable Cause” for spying on them.
These inept of crooked judges didn’t ask:
“Who have you been spying on, after carter page left the GOP Campaign (kicked off in December 2016)?” “Why do you need a 2-3-hop jump to thousands of politicians if you have no evidence or probable cause after the first FISA? “Why shouldn’t the Court limit you to only spying on Carter Page? Why shpuld the Court even extend the FISA on Carter Page, because you have no evidence, after your First FISA on him, that Page is a russian agent?” These are all obvious questions an honest court would be required to ask about a scheme to spy on an elected President and his staff. The FISC is disgusting.
Whether the FISC judges were merely incompetent and unfaithful to their duty to protect unrepresented Defendants, or were complicit in the scam, needs to be fully investigated.
The judges are not obligated to do anything but accept a conformed filing. The target is not represented in these proceedings by anyone. This is the problem.
Who is in charge of the DOJ? I’ll wait while you defend him.
To bring up an old cranky horse and Dorothy’s ruby slippers:
Carter Page as a party to the surveillance always had the power to get his FISA history out by a request to the court through an attorney to call an En Banc review of his FISA at any point to demand the court answer to the harms done to him. (specifically his 4th amendment rights).
THIS NEVER HAPPENED because Page didn’t want it in that forum – maybe.
As this never happened…it’s very curious to see the latest opinion pg 4 and further revelations about the Govts perceived plan [cough blv it whn i seez it] to use the FISA to prosecute a RICO case…
[Do not disclose Exception ] line 7 “[FISA] can be [shared with the world] to mitigate or prevent the very harms…”
Page may in fact not had an inkling of his rights to an en banc hearing with the full FISA court…but boy…getting the court on the record that the FISA could be revealed if it is tied a release in order to “mitigate harms….” sure seems swampy.
I don’t know what any of that means!!!!! Fudge, more beer. Then I will understand….
Durham wants to see the raw data, the underlying raw intelligence.
Why?
Perhaps this:
“It also possesses in electronic form “minimized, and potentially unminimized, information
obtained pursuant to the authorities granted in the above dockets,” which the government has not
further described.”
Two Hop Stuff?
Bash
This charade continues to metastasize faster than Durham can assign prosecutors.
I think Durham will need to buy more time.
Times up
Times up
So you stop the investigation?
There wont be an investigation if Trump loses
No, we need indictments now, if there are ever going to be indictments..
This ^!!!!
In design and project engineering world, we have a term: PENS DOWN….Time and budget have been exhusted..
Print the drawings, assemble the bid packages and stay on schedule…Changes and additions can be during the course of the project…
Mr. Durham, PENS DOWN…you either have enough evidence to start the indictment process or you dont….
He knows that but it’s all about how to get it all out there and still protect his golf buddy and best bud Mueller.
So, charge them with speeding when they killed someone? I don’t think so. You only get one bite at the apple, not five.
Tomorrow is Constitution Day. Would be a great time to resurrect the rule of law.
Conundrum, Great post but unfortunately 50% of the American population has no clue what it is. That’s the battle we fight against everyday. They have not taught honest American History in many public schools for a decade or two and that’s being kind.
Hence the Socialist (Communism) shift of our youth and the brainwashing via TV of the rest of our population but I’m sure you are well aware of that.
Maybe they will make Constitution day as famous as Friday the 13th is to the Templar knights
Yes, I fought that battle with both of my kids. The school indoctrination is intense but, fortunately my kids, were willing to listen to mom and dad and resisted the brainwashing.
PDJT could improve his efforts to MAKE AMERICAN EDUCATION GREAT AGAIN… If he could revitalize EDUCATION the way he has revitalized manufacturing and the economy that would be a trifecta…
Don’t be delusional. The only way to make American education great is to completely remove the government from it.
No government at any level should be allowed to own, operate, or subsidize any form of education. Anything less is just a waste of time.
Last Fall (2019), there appeared ample evidence that at least more than one FISA warrant was faulty. Then, ‘In previous filing with the court (January 2020) DOJ only refuted the predication for the second and third renewal.’ DOJ confirmed.
Still, Barr then went out there together with Mitch M. in early 2020 trying to sell Congress and the public on FISA renewal.
Then PDJT stepped out and said he was refusing to sign the renewal.
It seemed to die on the vine, save maybe a temporary extension.
Barr in the Spring goes out on TV and suggests that IF we FIND any GUILTY parties, we’ll uphold them to our nation’s prosecution standard.
Now, by June we find DOJ (Barr) suggesting to FISA Court sheepishly something like ‘you know, basically all 4 FBI warrants were pretty much crapola. So what should we do now?”
And Boasberg responds with something like, ‘well sir, YOU are the prosector -yes?”
More than 2 months go by until now.
I’m guessing DOJ knew well before June that all 4 FISA warrants were terrible.
Barr appears to be trying to protect Wray, Mueller, and Deep State through the election rather than serving the public interest.
Please clear my mind & tell me it’s not so!
Walk into a supermarket and observe how many people are likely (really likely) to be very highly attuned to what the CTH has been outlining for a handful of years–not just aware of, but highly attuned. In all likelihood, you will say, “no one here that fits that bill.”
Now imagine you are Barr, circulating in DC and wherever, and during the course of his days, does he run into hot and bothered Joe’s who are waiting with bated breath for prosecutions to occur? Doubtful. It would thus be plausible that he views this as a technical matter that could be resolved–or not–and not a fundamental matter which jeopardizes the bedrock of all law and order.
There is no walk into a supermarket test to see if people are hot and bothered about meting out justice and ensuring equitable application of Constitutional Rights for All Americans…people at the supermarkets are generally checking to see if the peaches are ripe or checking the expiration dates on the milk they are about to buy….Barr knows half the country and Trump are watching him…it’s just whether he has the stones to do the right thing and take down the swamp or not
Does Barr want to be remembered in history in the company of John Marshall, or among some of the lesser lights?
It’s up to Barr to do the right thing regardless of how many people are hot and bother or not.
It’s up to Barr to protect the United States Constitution whether all the people completely understand what’s going or not.
Are you sure. Scroll through Twitterverse and you’ll be hard press to find anyone commenting on the lack of prosecutions.
We have the makings of a contrived process here. The FISC process was abused by an unknown number of actors, some of whom could probably be court members themselves. After all, we know that the DOJ has determined the process to have been blatantly violated. What Court can receive such blatantly poor work product and NOT notice it and do something about it?
It may be possible that the court did not observe nor participate in a foul process. It is probable that it did until it is proven that it has not.
Clearly the court was misled by the lack of candor in the filing of the FISA applications which are predicated on false information that the applicants knew was false.
Clearly the Court knew before the first warrant on Page that FBI contractors had made tens of thousands of illegal searches because Admiral Rogers had already told FISC head Collier. And a Court as powerful as FISC can’t be bothered to check in on an attack on a Presidential candidate, President elect and President?
I can’t wait for it to be revealed who the subjects of those illegal searches where.
Blackmail anyone?
Exactly, all of this Boasberg response does about the outside contractors is – nothing. No repercussions, they aren’t even outright banned, which ensures the very next time a Democrat is in the WH a new Fusion GPS and couple like the Ohrs will pop up once again!
Now, releasing the names (targets) of illegal spying would be a nuclear bomb doing off regarding this case. That informaiton should be shared… we have a right to know.
Assuming arguendo, that judge collyer was fooled by the sworn evidence that carter page was a ‘russian agent’ in the first FISA request:
It is clear from only the papers filed by the DOJ/FBI, that the first FISA was a “we want to spy on GOP Presidential Candidate Donald Trump and his entire campaign – thousands of people – WITHOUT NAMING TRUMP OR OTHERS AS “TARGETS” REQUIRING CONSTITUTIONAL EVIDENCE OF PROBABLE CAUSE, which we do not have. Collyer should have blocked the 2-hop political extension, and required naming other Targets, with Probable Cause evidence, instead of blanket “ITS OK to politically spy on thousands of people and hillary’s competition for the Presidency”. Collyer should be impeached for lack of ‘good behavior” as a judge entrusted with protecting civil rights of unrepresented defendants. .
No doubt collyer knew this was a ‘2-hop’ scam to thousands or more people and hillary’s competition. IMHO, this lack of ‘curiosity’, and attention to separation of powers, and attention to the civil rights of her ‘2-hop- victims, is evidence of facilitating an improper/illegal spying scheme under color of law.
Exactly! And the FISA court and warrants were not meant to be used on US citizens- they should be afforded special protections from abuse- particularly political personages such as a President elect! Carter Page, Manafort and Papadopoulus were all US citizens. Still unsure if Wallid Phares really was the 4th person.
Beau…you nailed it…The FISA court has a responsibility to throughly review every aspect of the warrent…These judges are just checking boarding tickets at the airport…
THey do a better job at the airport checking boarding passes. No ID, no getting on the plane
But the crooked, complicit FISC is less effective at following the Constitutional requirements they are sworn to protect
“So you want to spy on the President of the United States without identifying him as your actual spy ‘Target’ and providing necessary, verified ‘Probable Cause’ evidence against him required by the Constitution?
OK, where do we sign ??”
The court knows who signed those applications. Who among the signers have been called in front of the Judge or Judges to show just cause. NONE
You have counted accurately DeWalt. None, zero, nada…….
Because the FISC is a creepy “where do we sign to authorize secret political spying on the US President without Constitutional Probable Cause” Court.
Even if the FISC called the perps in, an interrogation by incompetent, and/or complicit judges might proceed:
FISC JUDGES:
“Did you lie, withhold evidence, fake evidence, and violate the ethics rules of the Court?”
COUP PLOTTER PERPS:
“No, we only ‘lacked candor’
FISC JUDGES:
“Well that is OK then, go on your way. We are sorry to have troubled you to explain”
The “lacked candor” description for when the DOJ/FBI commit perjury and commit sworn lies, is both frustrating, and absurdly comical.
Exactly, can you imagine Don Corleone’s goons on the stand lying….and then when caught their lawyer says “Your honor, he’s not lying to the court about Mr. Corleone ordering the hit, he just lacks candor, we can move on.”
And the FISA court judge saying “thank you Mr. Honorable Don Corleon, for clarifying that your goons were not intentionally committing perjury to mislead the court, they were just ‘lacking candor’. Not guilty !!!”
(‘Honorable’ is a fake honorific which means ‘dishonest crook’ when applied to congresscritters, DOJ/FBI coup perps and other liars)
He can get started with indictments/prosecutions and continue with indictments/prosecutions.
This is very encouraging news and I have not been easily encouraged.
Carter Page has never been prosecuted, FISA or no FISA, so in the eyes of the court, no harm, no foul.
BTW – How’s that civil suit coming that Page was going to file ?
The Mueller report relied on the FISA applications. There was significant harm done to both Carter Page his reputation and the Trump campaign and administration.
Not only harm but sedition?
sullivan cited the predication of the mueller investigation to throw flynns motion to dismiss out. at that time the last two warrants were judged garbage. now the first two. sullivan better be paying attention.
I don’t think Carter Page will follow through. I still think he was placed there by the CIA. This is all an act. He won’t sue his employers. They can repay him in other ways. Let’s see who employs him next… or if he gets a quiet golden parachute.
Not only that but Page was outed as CIA.
I wonder when Soros will be outed as CIA?
Can’t do likes so you’ll have to make do with this 🙂
Zydeco, IMHO Page was a confidential human source and there never was any intention of prosecuting him. He might have been just a foot in the door, the camels nose in the tent, the two step don’tcha know.
I would be very glad to see it proven otherwise.
I’m still waiting for that. I believe Carter Page is still pure CIA
he is..
but its a bit more than just that.
for NOW cia asset will do.
we will roll out his ENTIRE purpose S at the correct moment.
yes.. he’s been recorded on tape…
we will release this at the appropriate.time
It was her signature block that’s redacted, not the date. The date is printed along with the page count from the scan/print copy for tracking purposes.
I did a google search for Deputy Clerk FISC just to see what comes up and there was a page that popped with a released document from 2011, although it has nothing to do with this case, it has the same redactions on the page. Is this something that is commonly done maybe? I posted the link just for reference.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/11714/FISC%20Supplemental%20Order,%20BR%2011-107.pdf
Sorry, I didn’t realize that a photo would show up? and don’t want to confuse anyone with this document, it was only to show the clerk stamp. Just wanted to post a link to the page.
Isn’t in funny if you zoom out to encompass the whole picture and zero in on a few minute specs which seem to have control of the whole mess. Look at Brennan, Mueller, Weissmann , Page, Strzok, Yates, Jarrett, Biden, Pelosi, the whole demorat congress house and senate are ALL controlled by one individual who is possessed by Lucifer and that person is Obama! Think about it a minute: He came from no where,became President, all these listed above gravitated to him like a magnet they even gave him a halo! They all became so seduced by this demonic being that they were stumbling over each other to please him.The ground he walked on was and is worshiped to this day. He is working behind the scenes to destroy Trump, Christianity,(churches all closed down), and the Country known to us as America. Obama is the savior of the dark side. As they follow this pied piper down the road to hell, they will be like cattle headed for the slaughter.
The white hats with God on their side will prevail . Pray to God and be ready Patriots for much will be required from all of us to turn this around.
Well I see where your coming from however if Obama is really who he seems likely he could be then Obama will be not going away any time soon I can tell ya that.
barry is the living embodyment of the fusion of Muslim Brotherhood, Marxist revolutionaries, the Arab Street, and Critical Race Theory. islam is as islam does…
BLM and Antifa are his Street Gangs. Baader-Meinhof Gang (Red Army Faction) is the next revolutionary stage. Executions of LEO qualifies.
Aiding and Abetting Seditious Conspiracy
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/09/obama-is-responsible-for-racial-tensions-in-america-today
Crooked Judges, SC Justices, FBI, DOJ, CIA, NSA, Congressmen, Senators, Governors, Mayors
Crooked = In the pocket of Lobbyists for Corporations.
China does not have to buy all the Corporations, they just dangle a carrot of their China market out there and these crooked, weak corporate boards hand the Chinese Communist Party the keys to the above crooked’s and the keys to the Corporate owned Mockingbird Media propaganda machine.
Crooked = National Security lost to our enemies.
‘Step into my parlor said the Chinese Communist Party to the idiot, greedy Globalist Corporate fly.’
These greedy idiot Global Corporations will get eaten alive by the Chinese Communist Party. Ask Hong Kong. The rest of China are serfs or worse.
YEEEEEEEEES…those idiots bought enough rope for theirs fine necks…as one time bolshevik leader LENIN said….
But, at least they can say they were hung with silk ropes.
Can someone rent a van with loudspeakers and park outside the DOJ/ DOGE Palace and blast the Final Jeopardy “Think” song to hurry them up? (intermixed with bagpipe medleys of ‘Cock o’ the North’, ‘Atholl March’, ‘Highland Laddie’)
kill the wabbit metallica.
LOL!!!!
be varewee varewee careful. hahahahahaha
Could any of this be related to the sequestration order (given about a year ago, wasn’t it)? Who would be in charge of sequestering the information and what happens to it when it has been retrieved?
Would that mean that ALL activities the Special Counsel engaged in could possibly become publicly available? Would Manafort, Cohen, Stone, et. al., all be exonerated due to illegality of the prosecution? Not to mention, opening up the DOJ/FBI for additional lawsuits, AND exonerating and completely clearing POTUS?
Probably stupid questions, but somehow it is all tied together in my mind; like a tangled ball of string!
Answers are much appreciated.
There is a phrase you will here many times in the near future. ” It was in the best interest of the Government or Country”. This is the only thing considered when you sue the government.
Endless obsfucation and contrived, tortuous procedures from top to bottom and sideways. All the doings of loathsome miscreants.
Anyone else noticing two standards of justice seemingly being developed? Unlike a warrant to search a non-governmental target’s records (think Manafort and Cohen) – everything under the sun related to that record would be seized for review and relevancy. Where the issue here is authorization for a governmental target’s records – the government must have an approved reason for reviewing additional information not contained within that requested record.
Simple Takeaway: Private person – we get books AND all documents – even those that didn’t make it into or even be related to the books. Government person – we get your books, but not those documents that are related but didn’t make it into the books, unless we can further articulate a good reason in our follow up request.
Somehow, the unlawfully obtained raw information gets protected; as its reasoning seems missing, Comey’s “due to the sensitivity of the matter” might fit. This Opinion definitely informs the criminals which records are ‘safe’ for the time being. No better time to also address the issue of when unlawfully obtained FISA documents require its mandatory destruction (and kept from discovery)…
you have located the insulation that protects the secret police spy state.
keep pushing… keep asking tough questions… don’t back down.
you KNOW
share it
Tick Tock Boom!! come on guys…even Shawn Hannity gave up already.
The DOJ and FBI are the reason why Marxist groups trying to influence the election are allowed to flourish.
Wonder what Judge Contreras is up to these days…tainted judge slithers off never to be heard of again.
Yup, he was recused from the General
Flynn case so Judge Sullivan could screw him over and is now drinking mai tai’s at Casa Strozk…
maybe. 🙂
Is something else about to be declassified? Rats scurrying to the SCIF…
I would not trust any of those four rats. More likely covered up vs. declassified. All four likely involved at some level in the coup..
more likely the end of biden.
Yet another leak trap?
Well we might get an opinion on the use of these documents by 2023. Lol.
Apparently, my wife hadn’t heard of Orange Man Bad until Candice Owens joked about it a few nights ago. I explained it was an attempt to make fun of PDJT.
This afternoon I told my wife that not only were the last two FISA renewals deficient, but so was the original FISA and first renewal. First words out of her mouth were, “so, Tall Man Bad”.
I fell out of my chair laughing at her glee.
quick. hahahahahaha tall man limp wristed.
Sure seems like John Durham believes Kevin Clinesmith wasn’t the only person manufacturing evidence. What do you think Mr. Weissman?
it does please me that John ratcliffe is releasing…but it we would equally pleasing in a HEIGHTENED SENSE
IF HE HE WOULD GET OUT THERE IN THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA and start giving these important released at least the 90-120 second snapshot during prime time.
no one is going to notice this.
John…my man…you need to engage.
it would be.just fine to push your deputy out there.
just.do.it
don’t be. average
you are not average.
i know