It has been said that all wars are “bankers wars,” however, against the modern era of inverted fascism where corporations tell the govt what policies take priority, the more accurate truism ‘is all wars being controlled by money’, not necessarily banks.
The European Commission has constructed a very special kind of proactive financing for Ukraine that doesn’t require them to give their own €uros to the historically corrupt country. Partly because the EU doesn’t have their own money, and partly because everything the EU does in the sphere of finance is always a false construct, what the EU put together was a financial system based on sanctioned, confiscated (ie stolen) Russian sovereign wealth funds {citation}.
As part of the sanction regime, the EU and western NATO alliance seized roughly €250 billion, $300 billion USD, in Russian sovereign wealth assets. As long as the USA was financing the Ukraine government and war effort, those funds sat on the sidelines undiscussed. However, once the USA stopped writing checks to Ukraine an alternate finance system was needed.
What the EU (Ursula von der Leyen) put together was a finance package using the confiscated $300 billion in the Russian sovereign wealth fund as collateral for loans to Ukraine. The EU would send the money to Ukraine as a loan that did not have a payback mechanism. Instead, the thinking goes that when the negotiations for a ceasefire take place, Russia would be forced to give up the confiscated $300 billion as part of a reparations package to Ukraine.
Ukraine doesn’t have to pay back the loans because Russia will be forced to give up their sovereign wealth fund, and those funds will repay the loans. That’s the way the EU financing of Ukraine is set up. {SOURCE} The EU isn’t giving Ukraine EU money; the EU is giving Ukraine the Russian wealth fund money.
Now, immediately you can see a few problems.
♦ PROBLEM 1 – What happens if Russia demands the return of their $300 billion as one of their baseline terms for a peace deal? If the confiscated money is given back to Russia, the EU and Ukraine are on the hook for the $300 billion they would have spent.
♦ PROBLEM 2 – With #1 in mind, there is now an incentive to never reach a peace agreement or ceasefire; at least never reach a solution that would consider the return of the $300 billion. Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin has previously said the stolen money belongs to the Russian people and must be returned; he will never accept the theft.
Zero Sum Loggerheads – If Vladimir Putin refuses to accept the theft, and the EU won’t return the stolen assets, it seems the only option left is to escalate the Ukraine conflict, with the EU aiming to defeat Russia. It doesn’t seem like a coincidence that this appears to be their current approach.
Yesterday in a stunning interview with Sky News, President Zelenskyy said a few remarkable things. One, he has plenty of money and two, Zelenskyy wants to build big, big factories in Great Britain in order to build missiles and drones away from the threat of Russian countermeasures.
The sick irony is that Zelenskyy would be building missiles and drones in the U.K to attack Russia using money confiscated by the EU/U.K and given to Ukraine. However, in this bizarre world that’s the reality of the thing.
When you overlay the pragmatic, transactional nature of President Trump into this dynamic, we can see how things look even more muddied over this confiscated Russian sovereign wealth. President Trump has often advocated for “taking the oil” or assets of a country to pay for the military expenditures incurred by the USA. Both in Afghanistan (theoretical) and in Venezuela (reality) this Trumpian approach is visible. To the victors go the spoils.
Russia is militarily holding approximately 20% of the land mass of Ukraine, the Donbas region, with no intention of ever returning it. Putin wants his sovereign wealth fund restored, and, if his doctrine is to be consistent, President Trump has no room to say Putin shouldn’t get it back.
The Europeans likely understand that President Trump is ideologically on the side of President Putin on this national economic aspect. The EU is against the return of sovereign Russian wealth. This part is a very interesting dynamic to watch.
Meanwhile, there are ancillary interests that exist within the economics of the conflict with direct stakes into the billions of euros. One of those interests is held by Ukraine’s richest person, a very corrupt billionaire Rinat Akhmetov, the owner of mining and steel firm Metinvest and the Ukraine power company DTEK.
Pay close attention. Billionaire Rinat Akhmetov (DTEK) has a lot on the line in the Russia -vs- Ukraine conflict.
[…] Akhmetov lost more than half of his assets as a result of the full-scale invasion, with many of his industrial holdings, such as the Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol, destroyed or damaged during the fighting. According to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, as of Oct. 31, Akhmetov’s net worth fell by 52% to $5.39 billion compared to the pre-war numbers.
Billionaire oligarch Rinat Akhmetov operated in that very lucrative space between Ukraine and Russia. Akhmetov’s assets are directly tied to both nations now in conflict. Akhmetov even has operational loans from Russian banks that have not been repaid due to the sanction’s regime, and if there ever was a resolution to the fighting, he would also be on the hook for repayment as well as the loss of his industrial assets in the Donbas.
[NOTE: Keep in mind, one of the primary issues that brought Putin to power was his opposition to the Russian oligarchs who surfaced as wealthy control agents following the collapse of the Soviet Union. The billionaire oligarchs controlled Russian politics until strong man Putin diminished them, smacked them in the nose and took back control.]
There is a lot of motivation for Rinat Akhmetov (DTEK Energy Co.) to support funding pro-Ukraine influence operations against Russia considering the billions at stake from direct energy company asset losses and reconstruction funds that he could also benefit from…
YAHOO NEWS – Ukraine’s richest man Rinat Akhmetov allegedly borrowed $400 million from Russia’s largest bank, Sberbank, the International Consortium of Investigate Journalists (ICIJ) said on Nov. 14, citing information obtained from leaked documents dubbed “Cyprus Confidential.”
The documents are part of a massive leak of millions of files obtained from Cypriot financial service providers.
The files also shed light on Akhmetov’s involvement in Russia’s coal industry after the annexation of Crimea in 2014. In 2016, Akhmetov’s energy company DTEK transferred ownership of a number of coal mines to a subsidiary of Fabcell Ltd., based in Cyprus. She bought these mines four years earlier in the southwest of Russia in the Rostov region. DTEK also transferred to the subsidiary a significant loan obligation in the amount of about USD 400 million from Sberbank (Russia’s largest state-owned bank).
In January 2017, Fabcell reclassified its shares into 7,999 common shares and one gold share. The gold share was assigned to Sberbank, which would allow the bank to gain control over Akhmetov’s company in case of non-fulfillment of its obligations.
[…] In response to the investigation, Akhmetov issued a statement to ICIJ saying that the loans provided by Sberbank and others before Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014 were “standard practice for Ukrainian borrowers.”
Transferring the ownership of the Russian coal mines to the Cypriot subsidiary was a way of “limiting [DTEK’s] exposure to the claims of Sberbank as creditor and paved the way to exiting DTEK’s investment in the Rostov Coal Mines.”
In June 2022, Akhmetov filed a lawsuit at the European Court of Human Rights against Russia for gross violations of his property rights. Akhmetov asked for “billions of dollars” to compensate for the blockade, looting, destruction, and theft of his grain and metal from Ukraine to Russia. (read more)
With all of that said, we now have a solid baseline for how some financial interests in Ukraine are positioned.
All of the above information should help us to understand the dynamics and stakeholders.
World War Reddit continues.
Seems the best answer to this nonsense is to get out of NATO. The only reason the EU is going down this path is because they have us as the backstop. If we’re not in the mix, they have no ability to fight a war with Russia.
I am afraid that if we aren’t involved the UK and France will start WW3.
It’s only a WW if the world intentionally involves themselves.
If they start a war they would be the aggressor & we aren’t obliged to defend them under A5.
We also aren’t obliged to defend them if we’re outside of NATO.
alliances are one of the top 5 reasons a country be sucked into war
That would be World War One-Hundred Eleven, get with it:-) That’s the Ilhan Omar numerical system.
I think they probably would anyway. It’s nuts.
With each other? If not, with whom?
Lsr them do it.
Tell them we are withdrwing, and we are happy to cede our pla e in NATO to Ukraine who will be happy to backstop all of the EU..
Then we can signal permission to Russoa by nuking Iran.
they will start it in order to suck us in. same as always.
Seems to me that Ukrainian missile factories on UK soil would be legitimate targets for the Russians.
No skin off my ass, but I don’t think King Chuck knows what he may be getting his country in for.
A Russian attack on factories in the UK would be the pretext to trigger Article 5.
An Article 5 trigger is exactly what Western globalists want. Even announcing such a plan is a blatant provocation and an attempt to bait a Russian military response.
I think if Russia slaps the UK down for hosting Ukrainian armament factories when the UK can barely put 2 ships to sea, the US should send them condolences, a large box of kleenex and then sit back and chuckle quietly because we don’t have to come their aid if they provoked the attack by their own actions.
IDK… I can see PDJT saying somethig along the lines of “Sorry… it’s not my war.”
So Nord Stream them …
Britain has been warning the citizens to stockpile food and water due to the possibility of a Russian attack. Which it appears they are provoking. Is it due to the fact that Russia will not play along in their globalist games?
It is bazar to me that you seem to imply that Russia prevailing in this war is the better outcome, BECAUSE Ukraine has been corrupt in the past, and surely is at some level with this kind of spending going on now. You do this over and over.
Ukrainians have nazi’s. End.of.story.
FILTHY LIBERALS
Sundance is EDUCATING US HOW these EVIL, UNELECTED Demons will start WW3. (That’s World War 3)…
Russia has more in common with the Far West USA, than it does with beta empath EUROPE.
Don’t Poke the Bear.
“UKRAINE” must be defeated. …
Crimea River.
It’s bizarre to me that you can’t spell “bizarre.”
It’s also bizarre to me that you are saying that Sundance is rooting for Russia. He has never said that. He is simply reporting the facts concerning the corruption involving Ukraine, the EU, NATO, and corrupt “influencers” like Laura Loomer.
And speaking of that corruption…..It is bizarre to me that you said that “Ukraine has been corrupt in the past.” Ukraine is filthy dirty corrupt RIGHT NOW and getting dirtier by the minute.
For future reference:
“Bizarre is an adjective that means very strange, odd, or unusual. It often describes things that are striking, unexpected, or wildly out of the ordinary.”
Harping on Bazaar…
Is out of fashion 🙂
Not in Vogue, either…
YOU KRANE is more like an Arab Bazaar than a demcracy
Well since The Ukraine GVT targeted the Ukraine regions now under Russian control due to the fact Ukraine was slaughtering their own folks after the said population voted to leave Ukraine…why would you think Ukraine’s population would be better off if Russia is defeated?
Russia prevailing in this war against Ukraine is the better outcome.
“It has been said that all wars are bankers’ wars….”
“If my sons did not want wars, there would be none.”
~Gutle Schnapper Rothschild, German matriarch
We can go further. Russia and the US nation states prevailing over the unelected globalist oligarchs who are working to destroy and plunder both is the better outcome.
Exactly as the US and Russia prevailing over the Axis powers in WWII was the better outcome.
Reminds me of the line in The Russia House where Barley mentions that there is corruption in both the West and Russia. It’s just that (with Russia) “there’s less bulls**t.”
Go away globalist, anti-human….
Try posting to Mediate or some other place for the mentally ill..
Deal with the facts as they are, not how you wish them to be.
Russia IS prevailing.
Russia prevailing does seem to be the better outcome. Zelenksy cannot be trusted as millions have seen over the course of the war. There is far too much fraud and corruption and very little accountability for the billions that nations have ”bequeathed” to him. Then there is the question of Ukraine’s association with Hitler and the Nazis during and after World War II.
Russia, at the moment, has a far more stable government. With Putin, we get what we see. His increasing age predicts that he has a limited time left to govern. Whoever replaces him may be more ”West”-oriented. Zelensky will not lose power unless he is defeated by Russia. All general elections have been cancelled into the foreseeable future. That though has an impact on how many people view the man.
Ukraine=Globalists. It’s that simple. Plain to see as well. They CRAVE U.S. involvement because U.S. involvement means more money and supplies. Which means more death. But that’s fine with them. Globalists think the world is overpopulated so the more war the better, as they see it.
If all the world players know these intersections of obtuse, nasty, contradictions of sanity and rationale, where does it end? Ugh, hate to imagine! What is the US/ potus strategy in intervention. Some heads need to be knocked together, the EU is evil.
The UK/EU/NATO will essentially screw themselves by stealing money from an alleged adversary, Zero credibility.
The EU/NATO forget that old adage, “What’s good for the goose…”
Perhaps to their detriment.
Generally, after a war ends, those who survived return home and create babies where a society’s balance may or may not return to pre war levels. Thus, leaders of those involved in war may look at those lives lost as no big deal, possibly suggesting other major values/principles were at play.
Putin’s “mind set” may be losing a majority position (support) in Russia…what other countries are on his side besides North Korea and possibly China? For Ukraine, many countries (leaders) have come forward supporting this war.
There is always “big bucks” involved in war. Greed has been around since the very beginning of time. Trump considers himself a “deal maker” of the first order, meaning he “sees deals from afar” unlike many others. Give them what they want and the war will end…nice idea but for who?
Now take a look at American debt. About 40 trillion dollars some say. Who holds the bonds to this debt? How and when will they collect? Maybe it’s time to re- read Shakespeare’s “Merchant of Venice” for a broader understanding.
Remember what Trump said years ago about owing money–modest sums vs giant sums. With modest sums, the bank calls the shots; with giant sums, the debtor does.
Russia will have to eradicate Ukraine. Poland, Romania, and a few others would love to get more land.
If Russia doesn’t exterminate Ukraine then Ukrainians will terrorize Russia with drones for the next several decades even if there is a peace plan.
BTW, when Putin croaks the EU will be under a real threat from Russia. There are a lot of Russian Lindsey Grahams that will vie for power.
Th average person in the West does not understand who Putin is.
In terms of Russian politics, Putin is a moderate. He is a tempering force on the hardliners and is (or was) relatively pro-Western, someone who sought cooperation over conflict.
When Putin no longer exercises authority in Russian politics, that tempering force will be gone. And that explains why the globalist leadership wants him gone.
There is nothing more dangerous to radicals and their agendas than moderates.
Impressive.
If WWIII starts in Europe as a result of this “stupidity” by the EU, I say we stay out of it, hands off. Poking the “bear” is foolish, the clowns at the EU think we will backstop them and I hope we don’t. The EU is asking for a fight and I don’t want to be a part of it.
Not our Circus, not our monkeys.
When will PDJT finally put his foot down and say ENOUGH!
America can easily say if the EU and NATO go through with this escalation the US cannot defend NATO, as a missile factory in the UK and taking Russia’s money is a direct threat to peace. Pulling out of NATO will be required but still might not stop these globalists.
If the EU thinks this will force the US to become more involved, they are wrong, as usual. We need to get out now and let them have their war. while we focus on developing our relationship with our hemisphere leading to North and South America becoming the dominant force in the world and the EU continuing their descent into irrelevancy.
Europe had it’s time as a global power but it ended when America beat them, and they don’t even realize they no longer rule the world. Europe will not fight the Russians. Their weak population will not stand for it. They will defeat themselves with massive protests and economic collapse.
Furthermore why oh why is congress allowed to allocate more funds, future resources to Ukraine? Why does USA congress wrap themselves in this foreign nations glad (along with the MEPalustine) baloney? It’s insane optics and policy….
“Flag”, not glad… sigh in auto correct
CONgress gets a vote.
CONgress also holds sole power to declare war. Make them own it.
My hypothesis is that PDJT wants to get through the midterms without the MSM and democrats having something to complain, fear monger, and campaign on. Right now, they have very little for Outrage Bait.
Why give them real meat when they can talk about Caitlyn the Media Talking Head and Dylan “I’m a woman now” Mulvaney and whether or not having PDJT say that Caitlyn looks like a cross-dressing man and is that really an insult.
In a race to the bottom, gravity wins. They are all going down.
Thank God we have a president that is the President of Realville (Bless Rush Limbaugh) and will not pretend this is all unicorns and rainbows and will be the one that smacks down the Eu globalists.
This will be the final nail in the coffin for the SWIFT system. Sayonara.
Another good point the average Western citizen has no comprehension of.
Weaponizing the Western financial system through the SWIFT blockade, seizing the Russian SWF, refusing to insure shipping, etc has completely destroyed any trust and confidence in the entire Western financial system.
Why would anyone entrust their money to someone who, at any moment, say that money now belongs to them?
The answer to that question is why the movements towards compacts such as BRICs and a non-petrodollar have only accelerated.
Why does Vlad put up with this nonsense
The script kiddies in Uke liaison operations just need to “as reads ‘incoming missile’ replace with ‘incoming drone’ for the attack type. Simulation for the visitor; we’ve literally seen these on TV.
So, this war seems to have much to do with powers that be getting and seizing money from Russia and not wanting to, or should I say are unable to, pay it back.
So now they are taking the billions in seized sovereign funds from Russia and saying they will spend those billions on building drones and missiles in the UK.
How convenient. If they just pretend to build missiles and pretend to blow them up who would know the difference?
Hey, we can’t pay your billions back cause it’s your fault you made us bomb you.
It seems obvious they already spent the seized Russian funds a d these loans and can’t pay it back. They thought they were clever snd would start a war and hide it with loan forgiveness
in a peace deal but the Russians fought back and the Americans did not play along.
Let’s hope this whole missile project is just a way for the EU to hide the missing billions so they can stop the war. Any chance of that?
in what parallel universe does the EU-UKR alliance think they can defeat Russia?
this is beyond delusional, past insane, demonstrates a complete break with reality.
to answer this fantasy, here’s my version:
everybody gets their wish and the US enters the conflict directly.
PVP is advised in advance of the plan.
but, surprise!, we bomb the UKR Nazis into oblivion, and take the whole of UKR.
Russia can do the ground clean up.
after which we enter into negotiations with what’s left of UKR, and Russia gets all the disputed territory.
we supervise the remnants of UKR until a non-mentally ill government is formed,
then we’re out.
ante up, ursula.
Loomer glows like the sun.
We were warned to stay out of Europe early on in our founding.. WWIII or not we must drop the NATO mask and focus on our own country’s problems.. This country is not a the Glowbull police force or the Glowbull money tree and I’m tired of being treated like as such..
First time I have heard the term “inverted fascism”. Very interesting way of describing it. In the 1920s and early 1930s when Mussolini was a media darling and he often sat for interviews with them (this is back when Stalin’s Comintern still categorized his Italian Fascist party as left-wing), he often described fascism as “corporatism”. The opposite of corporatism is called a corporatocracy, but I think inverted fascism is better and probably more accurate.
What are the Russian’s ultimate goals with the war?
Get us the hell out of Europe!
What the heck is up with Laura Loomer? Like Tucker before her, has she short circuited, too? BTW, is she taking a GLP-1?
What if putin dissolves his ruble replacing it with a new “happier” bill He explains it thus. The dastardly euros are counterfeiting . In addition they will be using the rubles stolen from us to fund their war in Ukraine . We simply can not allow that. 20 days to turn your money into new conterfeit proof currency any bank or postal facillity. Including any sovereign debt or transfers.
However sovereign debt held by biligerant states will be delayed to be considered at the appropriate time. To our people friends and allies have no WORRIES Russia stands tall and proud and will not tolerate our money being used to fund the foolish war of the European Nazis
I said it way back then and I’ll say it again. Russia, China and India were never just going to hand over their sovereignty to Bill Gates and the other globalist morons. It was always a pipe dream.
Trump and Putin didn’t play the game as expected. The music stopped and the money has run out. The rats can no longer hide.
I feel hopeful we are looking at the last gasps of the EU parasitic system.
You always start from the premise that the Russian position, whatever it may be, is the reasonable one. Not sure that is actually the case
Loomer is a looney! Trump needs to stop his conversations with her. She is unstable.
Putin is going to get tired of this BS, and when he does, it’s not going to be pretty for Z or Ukraine.
Bottom line, the war pigs want to keep feeding at the trough while the bodies pile up.
Ozzie (Black Sabbath) was right many years ago.
All of this, every single peso, began when Soetero/CIA, interfered in Ukraine politics and took down an honest man.
TPTB are likely just hoping they can wait out the term of PDJT.
This is one reason the upcoming midterm elections are conducted with minimal fraud taking place. I say “minimal” because it can never be totally eradicated.
IMHO one of the weak points of our constitutional system is that the POTUS is limited to no more than two terms. Yes, it can be a good thing at times, but when a country is in need of a leader like PDJT it is not a good thing.
Couple the above opinion with a fraudulent election system and it is a recipe for disaster.
always bet on war and inflation. never bet on peace and stable currency.
Get rid of debt.
The ash will fertilize what is to grow.
These people are ready to finance World War III because none of them remember … what Russia will never allow its citizens to forget. To them, “War” is a business enterprise that will never touch their sons and daughters. Everything will stay nice and contained and profitable: the Hellfires will never explode out of control.
Except this is never how “World War” actually happens.
When we hear “Z” saying the things that he does, and acting in the ways that he does, even though he is not the legitimate President anymore, we plainly see Europe planning a global war – initially, “by proxy.” What none of them remember, once again, is what Russia will never forget.
As for Europe: “They know not what they do.” If you asked a British schoolboy what “Blitzkreig” means, would they know?
Russia continues to act with restraint because Russia remembers. But everything might come to an end. Do not confuse restraint with weakness, or lack of resolve. Do not poke the Bear.
History reminds us that Russia paid by far the greatest price in blood during the “Great Patriotic War.” The “Ghost Regiment” marches every year in memory of this, and even Putin carries a black-and-white photograph. Russia will never forget.