Joe diGenova Discusses Possibilities from Former NSA Director Mike Rogers Working With U.S. Attorney John Durham…

Joe diGenova radio interview discussing his perspective on revelations that former NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers has been working with U.S. Attorney John Durham:


BACKGROUND – With research files on the ’15, ’16 and ’17 political surveillance program; including information from the Mueller report and information from the IG Horowitz report; in combination with the Obama-era DOJ “secret research project” (their words, not mine); we are able to overlay the Obama-era domestic IC operations and gain a full understanding of how political surveillance was conducted over a period of approximately four to six years.

Working with a timeline, but also referencing origination material in 2015/2016 – CTH hopes to show how the program(s) interacted and operated. A full review explains an evolution from The IRS Files in 2010 to the FISA Files in 2016.

More importantly, the assembly of government reports and public records now indicates a political exploitation of the NSA database, for weaponized intelligence surveillance of politicians, began mid 2012.

The FISA-702 database extraction process, and utilization of the protections within the smaller intelligence community, became the primary process. We start by reviewing the established record from the 99-page FISC opinion rendered by Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer on April 26th, 2017; and explain the details within the FISC opinion.

I would strongly urge everyone to read the FISC report (full pdf below) because Judge Collyer outlines how the DOJ, which includes the FBI, had an “institutional lack of candor” in responses to the FISA court. In essence, the Obama administration was continually lying to the court about their activity, and the rate of fourth amendment violations for illegal searches and seizures of U.S. persons’ private information for multiple years.

Unfortunately, due to intelligence terminology Judge Collyer’s brief and ruling is not an easy read for anyone unfamiliar with the FISA processes outlined. The complexity also helps the media avoid discussing, and as a result most Americans have no idea the scale and scope of the issues. So we’ll try to break down the language.


For the sake of brevity and common understanding CTH will highlight the most pertinent segments showing just how systemic and troublesome the unlawful electronic surveillance was.

Early in 2016 NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers was alerted of a significant uptick in FISA-702(17) “About” queries using the FBI/NSA database that holds all metadata records on every form of electronic communication.

The NSA compliance officer alerted Admiral Mike Rogers who then initiated a full compliance audit on/around March 9th, 2016, for the period of November 1st, 2015, through May 1st, 2016.

While the audit was ongoing, due to the severity of the results that were identified, Admiral Mike Rogers stopped anyone from using the 702(17) “about query” option, and went to the extraordinary step of blocking all FBI contractor access to the database on April 18, 2016 (keep these dates in mind).

Here are some significant segments:

The key takeaway from these first paragraphs is how the search query results were exported from the NSA database to users who were not authorized to see the material. The FBI contractors were conducting searches and then removing, or ‘exporting’, the results. Later on, the FBI said all of the exported material was deleted.

Searching the highly classified NSA database is essentially a function of filling out search boxes to identify the user-initiated search parameter and get a return on the search result.

FISA-702(16) is a search of the system returning a U.S. person (“702”); and the “16” is a check box to initiate a search based on “To and From“. Example, if you put in a date and a phone number and check “16” as the search parameter the user will get the returns on everything “To and From” that identified phone number for the specific date. Calls, texts, contacts etc. Including results for the inbound and outbound contacts.

FISA-702(17) is a search of the system returning a U.S. person (702); and the “17” is a check box to initiate a search based on everything “About” the search qualifier. Example, if you put a date and a phone number and check “17” as the search parameter the user will get the returns of everything about that phone. Calls, texts, contacts, geolocation (or gps results), account information, user, service provider etc. As a result, 702(17) can actually be used to locate where the phone (and user) was located on a specific date or sequentially over a specific period of time which is simply a matter of changing the date parameters.

And that’s just from a phone number.

Search an ip address “about” and read all data into that server; put in an email address and gain everything about that account. Or use the electronic address of a GPS enabled vehicle (about) and you can withdraw more electronic data and monitor in real time. Search a credit card number and get everything about the account including what was purchased, where, when, etc. Search a bank account number, get everything about transactions and electronic records etc. Just about anything and everything can be electronically searched; everything has an electronic ‘identifier’.

The search parameter is only limited by the originating field filled out. Names, places, numbers, addresses, etc. By using the “About” parameter there may be thousands or millions of returns. Imagine if you put “@realdonaldtrump” into the search parameter? You could extract all following accounts who interacted on Twitter, or Facebook etc. You are only limited by your imagination and the scale of the electronic connectivity.

As you can see below, on March 9th, 2016, internal auditors noted the FBI was sharing “raw FISA information, including but not limited to Section 702-acquired information”.

In plain English the raw search returns were being shared with unknown entities without any attempt to “minimize” or redact the results. The person(s) attached to the results were named and obvious. There was no effort to hide their identity or protect their 4th amendment rights of privacy:

But what’s the scale here? This is where the story really lies.

Read this next excerpt carefully.

The operators were searching “U.S Persons”. The review of November 1, 2015, to May 1, 2016, showed “eighty-five percent of those queries” were unlawful or “non compliant”.

85% !! “representing [redacted number]”.

We can tell from the space of the redaction the number of searches were between 1,000 and 9,999 [five digits]. If we take the middle number of 5,000 – that means 4,250 unlawful searches out of 5,000.

The [five digit] amount (more than 1,000, less than 10,000), and 85% error rate, was captured in a six month period, November 2015 to April 2016.

Also notice this very important quote: “many of these non-compliant queries involved the use of the same identifiers over different date ranges.” This tells us the system users were searching the same phone number, email address, electronic “identifier”, or people, repeatedly over different dates.

Specific people were being tracked/monitored.

Additionally, notice the last quote: “while the government reports it is unable to provide a reliable estimate of” these non lawful searches “since 2012, there is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015 [to] April 2016 coincided with an unusually high error rate”.

That means the 85% unlawful FISA-702(16)(17) database abuse has likely been happening since 2012.

2012 is an important date in this database abuse because a network of specific interests is assembled that also shows up in 2016/2017:

  • Who was 2012 FBI Director? Robert Mueller, who was selected by the FBI group to become special prosecutor in 2017.
  • Who was Mueller’ chief-of-staff? Aaron Zebley, who became one of the lead lawyers on the Mueller special counsel.
  • Who was 2012 CIA Director? John Brennan (remember the ouster of Gen Petraeus)
  • Who was ODNI? James Clapper.
  • Remember, the NSA is inside the Pentagon (Defense Dept) command structure. Who was Defense Secretary? Ash Carter
  • Who wanted NSA Director Mike Rogers fired? Brennan, Clapper and Carter.
  • And finally, who wrote and signed-off-on the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment and then lied about the use of the Steele Dossier? John Brennan, James Clapper

Tens of thousands of searches over four years (since 2012), and 85% of them are illegal. The results were extracted for?…. (I believe this is all political opposition use; and I’ll explain why momentarily.)

OK, that’s the stunning scale; but who was involved?

Private contractors with access to “raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to FBI’s requests“:

And as noted, the contractor access was finally halted on April 18th, 2016.

[Coincidentally (or not), the wife of Fusion-GPS founder Glenn Simpson, Mary Jacoby, goes to the White House the next day on April 19th, 2016.]

None of this is conspiracy theory.

All of this is laid out inside this 99-page opinion from FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer who also noted that none of this FISA abuse was accidental in a footnote on page 87: “deliberate decisionmaking“:

This specific footnote, if declassified, would be key. Note the phrase: “([redacted] access to FBI systems was the subject of an interagency memorandum of understanding entered into [redacted])”, this sentence has the potential to expose an internal decision; withheld from congress and the FISA court by the Obama administration; that outlines a process for access and distribution of surveillance data.

Note: “no notice of this practice was given to the FISC until 2016“, that is important.

Summary of this aspect: The FISA court identified and quantified tens-of-thousands of search queries of the NSA/FBI database using the FISA-702(16)(17) system. The database was repeatedly used by persons with contractor access who unlawfully searched and extracted the raw results without redacting the information and shared it with an unknown number of entities.

The outlined process certainly points toward a political spying and surveillance operation; and we are not the only one to think that’s what this system is being used for.

Back in 2017 when House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes was working to reauthorize the FISA legislation, Nunes wrote a letter to ODNI Dan Coats about this specific issue:

SIDEBAR: To solve the issue, well, actually attempt to ensure it never happened again, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers eventually took away the “About” query option permanently in 2017. NSA Director Rogers said the abuse was so inherent there was no way to stop it except to remove the process completely. [SEE HERE] Additionally, the NSA database operates as a function of the Pentagon, so the Trump administration went one step further. On his last day as NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers -together with ODNI Dan Coats- put U.S. cyber-command, the database steward, fully into the U.S. military as a full combatant command. [SEE HERE] Unfortunately it didn’t work as shown by the 2018 FISC opinion rendered by FISC Judge James Boasberg [SEE HERE]

There is little doubt the FISA-702(16)(17) database system was used by Obama-era officials, from 2012 through April 2016, as a way to spy on their political opposition.

Quite simply there is no other intellectually honest explanation for the scale and volume of database abuse that was taking place; and keep in mind these searches were all ruled to be unlawful. Searches for repeated persons over a period time that were not authorized.

When we reconcile what was taking place and who was involved, then the actions of the exact same principle participants take on a jaw-dropping amount of clarity.

All of the action taken by CIA Director Brennan, FBI Director Comey, ODNI Clapper and Defense Secretary Ashton Carter make sense. Including their effort to get NSA Director Mike Rogers fired.

Everything after March 9th, 2016, had a dual purpose: (1) done to cover up the weaponization of the FISA database. [Explained Here] Spygate, Russia-Gate, the Steele Dossier, and even the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (drawn from the dossier and signed by the above) were needed to create a cover-story and protect themselves from discovery of this four year weaponization, political surveillance and unlawful spying. Even the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel makes sense; he was FBI Director when this began. (2) They needed to keep surveillance ongoing.

The beginning decision to use FISA(702) as a domestic surveillance and political spy mechanism appears to have started in/around 2012. Perhaps sometime shortly before the 2012 presidential election and before John Brennan left the White House and moved to CIA. However, there was an earlier version of data assembly that preceded this effort.

Political spying 1.0 was actually the weaponization of the IRS. This is where the term “Secret Research Project” originated as a description from the Obama team. It involved the U.S. Department of Justice under Eric Holder and the FBI under Robert Mueller. It never made sense why Eric Holder requested over 1 million tax records via CD ROM, until overlaying the timeline of the FISA abuse:

The IRS sent the FBI “21 disks constituting a 1.1 million page database of information from 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations, to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.” The transaction occurred in October 2010 (link)

Why disks? Why send a stack of DISKS to the DOJ and FBI when there’s a pre-existing financial crimes unit within the IRS. All of the evidence within this sketchy operation came directly to the surface in early spring 2012.

The IRS scandal was never really about the IRS, it was always about the DOJ asking the IRS for the database of information. That is why it was transparently a conflict when the same DOJ was tasked with investigating the DOJ/IRS scandal. Additionally, Obama sent his chief-of-staff Jack Lew to become Treasury Secretary; effectively placing an ally to oversee/cover-up any issues. As Treasury Secretary Lew did just that.

Lesson Learned – It would appear the Obama administration learned a lesson from attempting to gather a large opposition research database operation inside a functioning organization large enough to have some good people that might blow the whistle.

The timeline reflects a few months after realizing the “Secret Research Project” was now worthless (June 2012), they focused more deliberately on a smaller network within the intelligence apparatus and began weaponizing the FBI/NSA database. If our hunch is correct, that is what will be visible in footnote #69:

How this all comes together in 2019

Fusion GPS was not hired in April 2016 to research Donald Trump. As shown in the evidence provided by the FISC, the intelligence community was already doing surveillance and spy operations. The Obama administration already knew everything about the Trump campaign, and were monitoring everything by exploiting the FISA database.

However, after the NSA alerts in/around March 9th, 2016, and particularly after the April 18th shutdown of contractor access, the Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to create a legal albeit ex post facto justification for the pre-existing surveillance and spy operations. Fusion GPS gave them that justification in the Steele Dossier.

That’s why the FBI small group, which later transitioned into the Mueller team, were so strongly committed to and defending the formation of the Steele Dossier and its dubious content.

The Steele Dossier, an outcome of the Fusion contract, contains two purposes: (1) the cover-story and justification for the pre-existing surveillance operation (protect Obama); and (2) facilitate the FBI counterintelligence operation against the Trump campaign (assist Clinton).

An insurance policy would be needed. The Steele Dossier becomes the investigative virus the FBI wanted inside the system. To get the virus into official status, they used the FISA application as the delivery method and injected it into Carter Page. The FBI already knew Carter Page; essentially Carter Page was irrelevant, what they needed was the FISA warrant and the Dossier in the system {Go Deep}.

Fusion GPS was not only hired to research Trump, the intelligence community was already doing surveillance and spy operations. The intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to give them a plausible justification for already existing surveillance and spy operations.

Fusion-GPS gave them the justification they needed for a FISA warrant with the Steele Dossier. Ultimately that’s why the Steele Dossier is so important; without it, the DOJ and FBI would be naked with their FISA-702 abuse as outlined by John Ratcliffe.

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191 Responses to Joe diGenova Discusses Possibilities from Former NSA Director Mike Rogers Working With U.S. Attorney John Durham…

  1. Cheese says:

    The optimistic view is that as a country we are still free enough that Sundance can write about these crimes and we are free enough to read about them. The pessimistic view is that a system like this even exists in America and as of yet no one involved is in prison.

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    • Dutchman says:

      To me the question is how such a massive political spying operation against “Obamas political opponents” could go on so long, (2012, or earlier if you count the IRS ‘secret project’) and yet Republicans in Congress knew NOTHING about it, until Devin Nunes uncovered it?

      Ah,…but thats not EXACTLY accurate,….IS it?

      Gowdy ‘investigated’ the Lerner op, and exposed yet exhonerated, lancing the boil.

      Suppose its because it wasn’t so much “Obamas political enemies” that were being targeted, but REPUBLICON Congressional leaderships enemies?

      The Tea Party wasn’t a direct threat to Obama; they were focused on attempting to primary REPUBLICONS in leadership, like Eric Cantor, Ryan, Mitch, etc.

      And Collyers report, once issued sat on a shelf. WHY weren’t Mitch and company SCREAMING to the heavens about this?

      Instead they were singing the praises of Mueller, as an honorable man!

      Obama admin officials are, for the most part GONE. So, WHO/WHAT is the hidden power, that continues to press to cover up what happened, paying off the small group with lucrative jobs, legal representation and keeping everything “classified” to cover up their illegality.

      The obvious answer is,CONgress, and it CAN NOT POSSIBLY all be put on the Democrats.

      Complicit in the coup. Complicit in the illegal spying for political advantage.
      Complicit in the ongoing cover up.
      Complicit in the ongoing coup attempt, 2.0.

      And I am supposed to put my hope for Justice in Barr ( confirmed by these same RepubliCONS who blocked Ratcliff’s confirmation) and in “Bull” Durham, who Barr appointed?

      Bull alright. BULL SH*T.
      The CONgressional RepubliCONS, the black, shriveled ‘heart’, or center of the SWAMP.

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      • Rhi says:

        “So, WHO/WHAT is the hidden power”?
        I’ll venture a guess, Satan and his minions?


        • Dutchman says:

          Well of coarse, ULTIMATELY.
          But, I was referring to CONgressional leadership, particularly REPUBLICON Congressional leadership.

          You don’t mess with Mitch, EVERYBODY in D.C. knows that.


      • johnnybiface says:

        Key crooks were installed in the key positions, girded by US Chamber of Commerce millions and millions – Paul Ryan, Senator Burr, and Mitch… (at least Mitch has steered the judicial confirmations). That’s more than Ryan and Burr did who only handicap and who committed crimes for the Democrats. Mitch has been overall poison to good, honest, Constitutional, Republic governance.

        Its a shame that the Democrats are so horrible that it makes us choose warts like Ryan, Burr, and McConnell.


        • Dutchman says:

          If you listen to Sidney Powells long interview, she tells how these prosecutors were REWARDED for engaging in what she calls “Prosecutorial Terrorism”
          The thing is, they were promoted into the BUSH admin. DOJ and FBI.

          Mueller, Comey,…Weismann was made Deputy Director of FBI,…AND FBI legal council, under BUSH,….NOT under Obama, who just continued it.

          But yes, there really needs to be a major cummupence, for those who control the RepubliCON party, so we can turn it back into the RepubliCAN party.


      • bluenova1971 says:

        I’ve had my suspicions about pols on both sides of the aisle for a long time, Dutch. Discovery and reading of Sundance/CTH has confirmed those suspicions.

        The House has its longstanding crooked members, but the Senate is at an entirely different level…they’re the real professionals.

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        • Randolph Scott says:

          It past time to physically throw these sons of bitches out on the street, throw their damned aides and anyone else who works for them out as well. It is called ‘Cleaning the House’.

          Liked by 3 people

        • Dutchman says:

          Yes, and while we all get distracted by the very public antics of the Dems, its the stealth RepubliCONS, behind closed doors, that stick the knife in our backs.

          PDJT has caused them to come out of stealth mode, and reveal their true nature.

          UNIPARTY; one party, two faced.

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      • Lester Smith says:

        Can any one say gang of eight minus one. Or Devin can you be a dear and make copies. As far as Obama goes, he who provides the cups knows who drinks the water.


      • Lester Smith says:

        Can any one say gang of eight minus one. Or Devin can you be a dear and make copies. As far as Obama goes, he who provides the cups knows who drinks the water.


    • The Big Ugly Is Fugly says:

      The sad part of it all is that we are one election away from having those same systems turned against us again. The democrat party is a criminal RICO organization. How they fund their campaigns down to voter fraud. When they get in power anywhere, they run whatever they are in charge of as a criminal organization. Look at Illinois for instance. Look at how the Obama Administration performed and functioned. #POTUS says this can never happen again to another President. The only way for it not to, is to abolish the democrat party and declare it a National Security Threat and Domestic Criminal RICO Organization. What has been perpetrated in the name of We the People is nothing short off evil and sick.


  2. tommylotto says:

    Interesting to watch how Lawfare works. Here is its run down of the IG FISA report:

    The article is a master class of knocking down straw men and burying unsupported assertions in a mountain of irrelevancy. It is also amazing that such a credentialed attorney has forgotten the distinction between direct evidence and circumstantial evidence, as in emphasizing that there is no direct evidence of political bias while ignoring completely the mountain of circumstantial evidence visible to all.

    That being said, what I found most interesting was how this Lawfare general issued orders to his deep state soldiers, right out in the open: FILE AN ETHICS COMPLAINT AGAINST BARR AND DURHAM.

    “In light of this, it is very likely that a complaint or referral concerning Durham and/or Barr will be lodged (whether by Congress or another person or entity) with the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility (Horowitz himself lacks jurisdiction to investigate Justice Department attorneys, although Congress is considering legislation to change that, as Horowitz noted during the hearing, see C-SPAN at 2:37:40). See, e.g., this Nov. 1, 2019, letter to the Office of Professional Responsibility from 10 senators concerning Attorney General Barr and others. The complaint will likely be that Barr’s and Durham’s statements were coordinated and fundamentally designed to distract or confuse immediate public reporting on, and reactions to, the inspector general’s finding about the absence of evidence of political bias in Crossfire Hurricane, which undercut claims of a political witch hunt so strongly promoted by the president and his political supporters. The complaint will likely include references to Barr’s prior discussions of “spying” on the Trump campaign and his characterizations of the Mueller report before it was issued. As we discussed on the Lawfare podcast, the proliferation of investigations and meta-investigations can make it seem like turtles all the way down.”

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    • Lawfare, Inc. really fears only three things – but they do fear them:

      1. Exposure of the deep criminality of their clients.

      2. That Congress will stop paying them tens of millions of dollars.

      3. That they will be exposed as the very worst lawyers to ever pass the Bar exam.

      Their notion that “law is a weapon of warfare,” and that no one will ever stop to think that what they’re saying is actually legal rubbish, is the worst thing that has happened to the Law in decades. “Fill the air with [pointless] investigations and “meta-investigations(??)” all the way down the turtle-track. This way, you’re sure to continue to collect tens of millions of dollars in billings from the very same Representatives whose political futures you are systematically obliterating.

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    • doofusdawg says:

      Lawfare doesn’t have the brains to run this operation. They are just the public litigator. It takes some real focus and creativity to plan this many moves. I can only think of three or four people capable of creating and executing this narrative… and the main two are getting no attention… although one has recently reared his head.


      • glissmeister says:

        Another great point you’ve made. We get lost in the who-did-what-wrong frame of inquiry. Important though that be, there is another path of inquiry that may be more revealing, more elemental and damning.

        Who had the power? Who acted with apparent impunity? Who has the power to grant that impunity? What level of power is needed to inform, compel and protect the unlawful actor?

        What level of power is needed to orchestrate, operate and protect the unlawful process involved? In a bureaucracy it is not just about the actor, but the process itself being enacted wrongfully.

        Who has the power to assure protection; to assure the authority to be present at the points of action necessary to conduct the wrongdoing?

        What individual actors were doing was career suicide. What then was their motive? Where did ideations driving their wrongful actions come from? Who defines and dictates the motive? Who has sufficient largesse of power and reach to protect those who perform wrongful acts per the motive and directives given them?

        Who? Where did the power come from? Who had the power and who used it?


  3. Paul Gallant says:

    Bobby Mueller That “i’m an senile old special prosecutor act” is not fooling me. Bob’s a Jackal.

    What’s his friend Billy Barr going to do about that?

    2012 is an important date in this database abuse because a network of specific interests is assembled that also shows up in 2016/2017:

     Who was 2012 FBI Director? Robert Mueller, who was selected by the FBI group to become special prosecutor in 2017.


  4. Pew-Anon says:

    To my knowledge, this is the first time Adm Rodgers’ name has been explicitly linked with knowledge of illegal spying going back as far as five years. We’ve talked about the likelihood of this activity happening since 2012, but nowhere has Rodgers’ name been so specifically linked, and with memos, no less. Then again, this is Joe diGenova, so who knows.


  5. joan p calhoun says:

    Methinks the Web they have woven is so snarled and perverse that they have hopelessly entrapped themselves.


  6. gunrunner03 says:

    Enough is enough. President Trump needs to air this out in his SOTU address. Call out the FISA judges, the MSM, Chief Justice Roberts, Call out the Turtle and Graham, demanding why they haven’t launched their own investigations. Ask why there isn’t a demand for a Special Counsel or Prosecutor? Demand that Durham be elevated. Call out the IG and Wray for their duplicity in covering up the senior level bias against him. Throw the gauntlet Mr. President. We have your back.

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  7. Rick says:

    According to Judge Colyer and Judge Boasberg, we’ve seen repeated and continued abuses of the nsa unmasking process. If they know who’s doing the unmasking, why haven’t they been indicted yet? Or are these illegal searches anonymous? How is it, the spying continues unabated?

    Has there been a breech of the nsa database? Is there currently an anonymous access point being used by deepstate actors in the DOJ, FBI, DOD…, Crowdstrike?

    Who are the contractors who’ve been servicing our NSA database portals, say, since 2012?

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    • WhiteBoard says:

      COPIED < DUPLICATED all DATA prior to April 2017.

      and now using it to blackmail all into compliance..

      that is the THREAT WE ARE UNDER. PDJT cant just arrest people that sucessfully used the INSURANCE POLICY to get all NSA DATABASE via Mueller to Blackmail any and everyone.

      remember this – this is a pure gamble. THEY HAVE IT ALL TOO

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    • WhiteBoard says:

      for example – i used your credentials on your access login stolen via AWAN – and the illegal query result looks like you did it ( or samantha power to keep her quiet; when she finds out she simply hints she is afraid of a specific person to leave her best clue without ending her life).

      once you interview people and see the 85% non compliance isnt attributable to known employees or contractors , you then start to slow down your approach to determine how many people need immunity to figure this out.

      the cleverness is that you have Patriots calling for ARREST ( and the real actors laugh knowing they are setting people up for arrest getting a double win).


      • glissmeister says:

        Such an excellent and important point you make here. I too have wondered if the searcher identities used were indeed stolen; if the authorized persons had any idea who was searching under their name.

        If the identity usurpation was directed by higher authority, how could the lawful identity holder being usurped push back without seriously adverse consequences from their superiors.

        The 85% unlawful search rate seems to imply those directing it had little to no concern about being found out by senior administration officials. That seems to imply heavily-protected senior administration officials may have been directing the unlawful inquiries made by the identity usurpers.

        Pandora has lost her box. I think you may have found it.

        Soon. Open, it will.


    • oldersoul says:

      Because even if they did know, all the Judiciary can do is refer them for prosecution.

      Prosecution by the same departments that are guilty of the abuses. The perpetrators, policing themselves.

      This is only going to be remedied by the Third Branch. A bridge to tyranny was built here. It’s time to blow it up.


      • Beau Geste says:

        No, the judiciary FISC can directly discipline (fines, jail, removal from court practice..), and withdraw Orders (FISA warrants) taintedby lies, perjury, withholding, failure to correct misbehavior, etc. ).

        The FISC:
        “OK, we know the FBI lies to us and Congress. We know 85% of spying is illegal. Donald Trump says the pee pee dossier is fake. Where do we sign this Warrant to spy on the entire Republican Party by deceitful 2-hop, and the President of the United States?”

        The FISC, even after findings that the phony target was a CIA/FBI agent, not a russian spy, and that the pee pee evidence was fake, evidence was withheld and fabricated:
        “OK, we won’t discipline you or withdraw the fake FISA, byt pretty please tell us you won’t do it again?”

        The SOLE DUTY nd purpose of the FISC is to protect civil rights. That the FISC does not even clean up its own mess by withdrawing poisoned FISAs, and protect the integrity of its proceedings from deceit by disciplining all the deceivers, is conclusive evidence of their complicity.

        The FISC is a disgusting, secret STAR-SHAME-ber court, which is participating and complicit in denying civil rights under color of law – 18 USC 242, which applies to crooked judges. No need for RICO.

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  8. WhiteBoard says:

    why would judge collyer order a review of the NSA query stuff ANY sign off on a FISA of a campaign member months later ? that seems suspect!

    OKAY I’m stupid, i get it again. They illegally used the databases assessible via FISAs to get circumstantial evidence to apply for a FISA? meaning literally every FISA signed would get approved cause it would be based on something relatively real.

    the question is how did Collyer KNOWWWWW the queries were PRIOR to the FISA sign?

    if there is no audit, and the contractors are accessing it behind the query system… then they would of had to been caught with it on their personal computer ( the only evidence of a download via export) . This to me indicates the SECRECY of the laptop and server situations.

    I think they found FISA database exports on the weiner laptop, the lawyers laptop, the DNC server, etc… ” i caught them all”

    rudy had the nypd support (they seized the laptop initially via the child texting). Lynch had the Garner case over them to keep them quiet.

    The Mueller gang was trying to find out who entrapped Anthony Weiner with the underage girl to kickoff the NYPD warrant – Rudy. “I caught them all”

    any thoughts???


    • To my way of thinking, the fatal flaw of the FISA concept is that it presumes the Government to be honest. And, granted, it’s fairly difficult to willingly wrap your mind around what did happen here, and the stupendous amount of effort that so many people went to in order to cover it up.

      If they’d spent one-tenth as much time and effort figuring out what the American People wanted and how to give it to them, they would have won the election the old-fashioned way. 🤷‍♂️


      • Rick says:

        They’re aren’t interested in doing what americans want, they’ve sold their souls to the devil for the love of money.

        The Supreme Court made a fatal mistake when they ruled Corporations and tax exempt superpacs unlimited campaign contributions are Constitutional. Rinos and Dems are all bought and paid for by the globalist elites.

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    • Beau Geste says:

      Are collyer and/or any other FISC judges “assets” of the CiA or FBI? Do they have old, or longstanding ties to the CIA/FBI, family CIA/FBI, were they promoted by CIA/FBI “behind the scenes” long-term planning? There needs to be a FISA or other spy warrant on each of the FISC judges, plus the 2-hop rule, going back at least 10 years.

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      • Beau Geste says:

        The 2-hop rule in a spy Warrant on FISC judges would pick up any communications or interactions of FISC judges with lawfare, congresscritters, CIA, FBI, government agency people such as State Department, all their “friends”, any lobbyists, russians, ukranians, chinese connections….

        It would also pick up any communications with CJ Roberts or other judges and Justices in the past 3 years, which could be interesting.

        It would also likely pick up whether/when the FISC judges and their families WERE SPIED ON BY THE FBI/CIA, which would also be interesting.


        • BitterC says:

          I figure most of DC has been touched by a FISA virus like Typhoid Carter. Especially if being on an email distribution counts. Think of how many people Trump’s campaign team have interacted with. Fundraisers, campaign events, etc too


  9. Rick says:

    One solution for the NSA spying problem. Burn it all down, and anyone caught bringing out copies of the data should automatically get the death penalty.

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  10. That means the 85% unlawful FISA-702(16)(17) database abuse has likely been happening since 2012.

    Well, Obama did say he would have more flexibility after the election.


  11. willthesuevi says:

    The amount of knowledge Admiral Rogers brings to the investigation will be judged by the cacophony of insults from the left.

    I wonder if leftist respect for Admiral Rogers service will be equal to the over the top embellishment and canonization of Vindman’s service?


  12. Lars says:

    Be interesting to hear what a) James Comey and b) John Brennan and c) James Clapper and d) Barack Obama would all have to say about this analysis…


  13. Bill Henslee says:

    The video between Lankford and Adm. Rogers detailing some of the problems with the NSA intercepts using the FISA authorization is so infused with insider bureaucratese about the Obama administration breaking the law that a viewer not fully clued in to the subjects under discussion has no clear idea that the Obama administration was blatantly breaking a law that was supposed to be used against terrorists and using it to spy on political opponents. No average viewer is going to pick that up

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    • bluenova1971 says:

      You’ve said a mouthful there, Bill.

      Most especially those TDS-deranged transgressives who get their “news” from CNN/MSNBC – both of which cut away from any coverage of Rep questioners during these sham House hearings.


    • bluenova1971 says:

      Also…in re. to the Lankford/Rogers clip, I wonder what Rogers’ response to a question such as “Didn’t the NSA certify to FISC that its surveillance practices were in compliance immediately before your action to halt the “about” inquiries?”


  14. ChampagneReady says:

    And make no mistake, GCHQ was neck deep in the spying, especially from 2012-2016. I heard an TV interview with ED SNOWDEN (who would know better than him) that GCHQ has “BY FAR” the most sophisticated and mind numbing technological capabilities of ANYBODY in the world. That includes us.

    There is no question that THE HAMMER was on duty 24 hours illegally accessing the raw NSA database by Brennan also. That was confirmed by Judge Snow who saw over 600,000 names himself that were spied on just in Maricopa County where Joe Arpaio was sheriff.

    It is STUPENDOUS that Admiral Rogers is telling it all to John Durham. There is one other person I hope he has talked to and that is Doug Campbell (Victoria Toensing’s FBI whistleblower) who they tried to shut up with the NDA and Loretta Lynch called him AT HIS HOUSE and told him if he talked, they would “take away his liberty.” Thank the stars Sessions as AG voided the NDA and he testified to congress in secret session. That’s about the only good thing Sessions did.

    But this is the agent who worked for Mueller who saw briefcases full of cash being handed over by Russians to Clinton dirtbags and can prove that Mueller was totally involved in the cover up of Uranium One. Doug Campbell had an encounter with someone who was sneaking around in his woods behind his house just before he testified that was carrying a gun. Fortunately for the Clinton murderer assigned to take him out, Campbell was carrying his OWN shotgun. When the guy saw Doug and he raised the gun, the guy took off running.

    This is another one that John Durham NEEDS to talk to. Doug will tell him enough to keep his stenographer busy for a week.


  15. I truly hope that Admiral Rogers has a very tight security detail. He has just been moved up to the top of the list of people that threaten the entire system. I would also hope that the only reason this information came out now Is because he has already pointed out all the criminals. Now with this information breaking, the criminals are going to start panicking and reveal even more of their network. These traitors need to be exposed. Their crimes need to be exposed. And their arrests, trials, and executions need to be broadcast to the entire world.


  16. Webster says:

    I previously had a couple questions regarding Adm Rogers and his role, maybe Sundance already addressed and I missed. He’s definitely a hero, but it sounds like there was abuse of spying/searching on these databases for a few years (2012?), but no one ever caught it until March 2016? Incompetence or most everyone was crooked? Regarding when Adm Rogers briefed Pres elect Trump in November 2017, not til shortly after the election, and he moved his HQ the very next day….it sounds like Trump was unaware of spying until that moment. But the abuse/scandal was exposed around March/April 2016….why did it take so long? It was kept secret, nothing was done about it? Wasn’t it obvious the massive spying on Republican candidates and many people around them? Why wasn’t anyone notified and the whole conspiracy get blown up and our leaders throughout our government/nation start screaming about the spying to cheat and sway an election? Did everyone keep it quiet until after the election, or did Adm Rogers hopefully contact Trump way before that? What if Hillary won? Would Trump ever have been notified? Also, I’m guessing the initial purpose of spying was to find dirt on their opponents, and spy on their strategy so the Dems could defend or counterattack and gain advantages against the Republicans. So people had to collect, analyze and package that information and give it to Hillary and/or the DNC. Has their been any evidence of transfers of info found? A missing link of sorts? Or maybe that was those 30,000 emails that got destroyed.


    • Beau Geste says:

      excellent observations, Webster. Especially the questions about feedback to hillaey/DNC


    • Webster says:

      Oops, typo; Adm Rogers notified President elect Trump very shortly AFTER election was already over in Nov 2016 (not 2017, typo). I’m guessing even white hats and neutral bystanders would not have notified Trump had he lost the election. That would truly be a fraudulent election, but since it was already over, I don’t know what could have be done without tremendous turmoil. Everyone probably would have just kept quiet, since even white hats would look guilty or complicit by not notifying Trump (or the whole world) BEFORE the election.


  17. I have a couple of questions. In her order, Collyer states that there was illegal activity surrounding the 702, but that it wasn’t limited to just that. What other NSA tool were they accessing? Also, who is the other agency that had a memorandum of understanding with the FBI?

    Anyone that touched any part of this, from the FISA to the spying, needs to be fully prosecuted as part of this coup. Because I certainly didn’t miss any whistle blowers or press leaks screaming about this. It’s only been because of certain people like Rogers, Nunes, Solomon and others that we have the information coming out now.


  18. wholy1 says:

    Two of the best sources for deep-diving said: Dan Bongino and Lee Smith.


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