Varying Expectations For IG Horowitz Report – The Convenient Application of “intent”……

If Senator Lindsey Graham is correct – tomorrow the DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz will release a much anticipated review, looking into how the FBI and DOJ used an application to the FISA court to investigate the Trump campaign. There are wide-ranging opinions about what exactly this report may, or may not, outline.

The IG review has been ongoing for 21 months.  This report is anticipated to be a culmination of that investigative effort.  The ‘tick-tock club’ of Sean Hannity, Sara Carter, John Solomon and various Fox pundits have promised the report will be the most devastating outline of gross FBI and DOJ misconduct in the history of IG review.

Additionally, a network of financially dependent social media voices, book writers, podcast pundits and Q-theorists collectively known as the ‘trusty plan group’, have predicted criminal indictments, wide-scale arrests and a shock to the DC system that will fracture the foundation of the administrative state and simultaneously drain the swamp.

Meanwhile the Lawfare group has been the most visible advocacy network for the current and former DOJ and FBI officials who participated in setting up and using the FISA surveillance system now under IG review.   The Lawfare group has stated the IG report will exonerate all of their pre and post election activity; validate the justification for their predicate efforts; and leave the ‘tick-tockers’ and ‘trusty planners’ having to reconcile to their stunned audiences how they interpreted all the data so incredibly wrong.

A review of the last three IG reports which brush up against the same DOJ and FBI network: (1) IG review Clinton email/FBI conduct; (2) IG review of McCabe/media leaks; and (3) IG review of James Comey conduct; shows the IG report on FISA is likely to come down somewhere in the middle.  ie. mistakes were made; poor judgements were evident; some unprofessional conduct was found; some lack of candor was identified; department policies were not followed; but no direct evidence of intentional wrongdoing was attributable to a coordinated political effort.

If prior IG reports are predictive we should see something akin to:

…Everyone collectively just happened to make identical mistakes, at the same time, in the same direction, together with all the administrative staff within all intelligence organizations… many of them were professionally trained lawyers… but no-one did anything wrong on purpose….

Remember the modern mantra for DOJ definitions of legality are all about “intent“.

Defining statutory violations by the intent of the violator is specifically attributable to how President Obama, AG Eric Holder and AG Loretta Lynch changed the entire enterprise of lawful application to make outcomes arbitrary, variable, changeable to the situation.

The IRS targeting wasn’t unlawful because it wasn’t intentional.  The death of four Americans due to sketchy CIA and State Dept. operations in Benghazi was not unlawful because the risky situation wasn’t created intentionally.  Hillary Clinton’s private email server with classified information wasn’t “intentional”, etcetera – etcetera, the list is long.

The nice thing about switching to definitions of lawbreaking by “intent” is the ease in arbitrary application.  Republican targets ‘intended’ to violate laws… Democrat targets, well, not-so-much.  Fluidity is a necessary oil amid a two-tiered administrative state.

If you elevate, I mean really elevate, and look at the bigger issue inside each of the examples there’s a connective thread surrounding a purposeful shift in accountability for broken laws by focusing on “criminal intent.”

“Intent”, not consequence, is now the larger shield being applied toward excusing the action of people within institutions of government and society.  Consider:

Ah yes, Hillary Clinton was not guilty or accountable because FBI Director James Comey said they couldn’t prove intent….. But the statute doesn’t require intent… But the DOJ said ignore the statute, they require it… and so it goes.

Also see years of Inspector General internal investigations culminating in the very familiar phrase: “declined to prosecute”; yup, they all surrounded intent.

Apparently anyone who breaks the law (lies) while inside the DOJ or FBI didn’t intend to… While lawbreakers (fibbers) outside the FBI/DOJ offices are intentful sons-of-bitches.

The “intent” issue extends everywhere….

Illegal alien entry, and accountability for fraud, all downplayed because there’s no proof of intent.   Walk down a pier in San Francisco and shoot a girl in the head… your honor, my client didn’t intend to do it.  The focus on intent -a specific decision made within the administration of a modern justice system- has become a shield against consequence.

It was a “mistake”…. he/she/it made “a poor decision” etc.  A pattern of obfuscation downplaying consequence and allowing those decision-makers charged with delivering accountability to withdraw or apply the rules of law based on their individual overlay of ‘intent’.

That shift is factually visible everywhere now.

The prior IG report by Horowitz [FBI bias & investigative outcome] was fraught with the application of ‘intent’ inside the inspectors explanation of absent evidence toward bias.

Each of these examples does not seem to be arbitrary, but rather connected to a more consequential decision by those in power to water-down accountability and open the doors for further abuse.

If the official didn’t ‘intend’ to do wrong, or more specifically if the people in position of delivering accountability for the wrong-doing cannot find specific intent, then the action is less-than regardless of outcome.

Consider what FBI officials were doing inside the FBI regarding media-leaks, then insert the James Wolfe example here & ask yourself how could they ever hold him accountable?

Pro Tip: They didn’t.

Following along the ideological lines we can all see how a shift to ‘intent’ can become a very serious issue within a corrupt system.

Within that system, and against that purposeful filter and determination, plausible deniability becomes the construct for intentional criminal engagement.

The illegal alien voter didn’t intend to violate the law… therefore no law was violated.  The Democrats who ballot-harvested illegal alien registration didn’t intend to violate the voting integrity statute… therefore no statute was violated.  Everyone just, well, made a mistake.

Whoopsie daisy.

A corrupt official doesn’t even need to put a finger on the scales of justice, once the scales are intentionally mis-calibrated like this.

If you wonder why there is such an overall sense of anxiety, poor conduct, lack of virtue and general unease within the recent landscape…. I would deposit the likelihood all of the unnerving instability around us is being caused by this shift away from consequence based entirely on ‘intent‘.

Brazen unlawfulness and abuses are now subject to arbitrary determinations of intent.

According to the current DOJ legal proceedings Michael Flynn the outsider intended to lie… FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, the insider, didn’t:

It’s this weird mish-mosh world where changing your party registration before you defraud your investors rob the bank might just help you out if you get caught.

From all current indications FBI Director Christopher Wray is directing his organization to spend more time filling the cracks in the dam (bias training) -trying to hold back the tide of electoral anger- than they are doing actual FBI work.  Which begs the question….

….did Bill Barr purchase scuba gear?

 

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756 Responses to Varying Expectations For IG Horowitz Report – The Convenient Application of “intent”……

  1. When ever going to convicting Those Deep state Trump hater coup criminal’s,

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    • JoeB says:

      Funny, I was just watching FOC and Friends and they said that starting Tomorrow, the House impeachment proceedings will NO Longer focus on whether or not President Trump committed a crime, but whether or not his INTENT was to commit a crime.

      Does Anyone think that Sundance’s Article just happens to claim that the IG’s “report” will focus on THE SAME THING as the new focus by the House???

      Something is going on here. I’m beginning to think that we will ALL be talking about “intent” for at least the next month or so.

      This is NOT just happenstance!

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      • aisheschayal says:

        I think that is lawfare’s strategy and has been for years. Whatever the left has done criminally, turn it around and accuse the other side of the same thing. It creates confusion, smoke and mirrors. Others on this site have already pointed it out and fully explained it. The strangeness to me is why anyone would not be able to do a little research and see that they are deceiving. The cabal is all about deception.

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        • JoeB says:

          My Point is that this is not coincidental. It has Nothing to do with Blaming the other side of their crimes. It has to do with putting Trump in a position where his Defense will be used as THERI Defense!

          This is Clearly coordinated between the House and the IG. There is NO WAY the timing of this is coincidental!!!

          That said, Trump and his supporters will be saying “intent” is VERY HARD TO PROVE and NOT a Crime. The “other side” will be saying EVEN Trump admits that INTENT is very hard to prove so you can’t call the Deep State’s actions Criminal.

          They WILL be using Trump’s own argument to “exonerate” the DS!

          Do you see where I am going??

          It’s ALL Well Coordinated!

          It CAN’T be by Happenstance!

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          • Redzone says:

            That’s probably the plan. But, if one could dig up an honest prosecutor, it would not be hard to resolve. Simply adhere to the law, review the facts, determine possible motive, and ignore speculation of intent.

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          • Zippy says:

            I suspect you are correct. It has been conclusively proved through multiple testimonies that have been catastrophic for the Dims that there WAS NO quo-pro-quo, bribery, or anything else. So, there is no NEED for Trump to claim lack of intent.

            However, I suspect as you do that this will be the spin from the Dims and their deep state/swamp lapdog media: “Well, we’ll let Trump go since there was no intent” and they will then cry if the same isn’t used to excuse the SpyGate perps.

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        • TMonroe says:

          We have the precedent of a Russia fishing expedition — initiated by the outgoing FBI director who had been evidently spying on the candidate-then-president who then calculated a leak to a Lawfare pal — which morphed from the investigation of a potential crime (rather than an actual one) to the investigation into intent to obstruct any investigation (of the myriad ones that were going on and apparently culling the communications of a sitting president, his advisors and administration, and his family).

          The ‘show me the man and I’ll show you the crime’ mentality appears to have been given an Orwellian twist by the enmeshed media/government operators to mind-reading thought crimes, something which was a Soviet staple (and crept in the door here in part with the ‘hate crime’ PC priority). Not only is it in play here, it is no doubt is being readied for each and every one of the dissenters from the new Bolsheviks both foreign and domestic. (Ever wonder why there isn’t a lot of history of the old ones in popular culture or education, nor discussion of their methods?)

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  2. visage13 says:

    I will hold off on judgement until I read the report and witness the fallout or not. There are too many “opinions” about what is or isn’t inside the report. What will or will not happen. Everyone claims “to know” except for Sundance who believes it will be somewhere in the middle of what everyone else claims they “know”. I find it interesting but no one really knows except Horowitz, Durham and Barr. And of course the people who claim to “know” will spin it into I told you so. Again, I will wait until tomorrow and read it myself, witness the fallout or not myself. I will no longer get wound up by what people “know” when the truth is they are no better then the impeachment witnesses with what they “know” based on their opinion. Have a blessed Sunday, ya’all because tomorrow may or may not be a day to remember that is all I know about this report. 🙂

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    • swal106 says:

      There is ONE thing I know friend. I, for NO REASON trust Horowitz, an Obama appointee, Barr, former AG that worked with,and is personal friends with Mueller, Comey, Wray, McCabe and on and on. Wray, fellow employee in the FBI with Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page and the never ending list of othere agents. What thinking individual would even entertain the idea that these individuals would roll over on every one of their fellow co-workers/friends? NOT I for a minute.

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      • dottygal says:

        Time for Trump to appoint a new IG. Actually he should’ve appointed someone more bipartisan years ago. If none of these leakers and liars don’t at least get indicted I will be even more angry!

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      ~~~~~~~ TRUMP 2020 ~~~~~~~

      All we can do is hope for the best and expect the worst from this Report. It will likely be a thorough whitewashing of the criminal behavior of those “17 agencies all agree” nonsense.

      “Sit vis vobiscum.”

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    • Dave Radetsky says:

      visage13 – Maybe I’ve missed something, but I don’t think Durham has anything to do with tomorrow’s report.

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  3. billybob says:

    Which side of the window business is Horowitz – Barr – Durham on ?
    If they don’t start fixing the windows pretty soon they’ll be defecating in the halls of Congress , wait a minute ……………………

    Social psychologists and police officers tend to agree that if a window in a building is broken and is left unrepaired, all the rest of the windows will soon be broken. This is as true in nice neighborhoods as in rundown ones. Window-breaking does not necessarily occur on a large scale because some areas are inhabited by determined window-breakers whereas others are populated by window-lovers; rather, one unrepaired broken window is a signal that no one cares, and so breaking more windows costs nothing.

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    • aisheschayal says:

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    • JoeB says:

      Funny, I just watched a little FOX and Friends and they said that starting tomorrow, they will not focus on whether or not President Trump committed a crime, but whether of not his INTENT was to commit a crime.

      Seems to me that this IG Report will focus on INTENT ans so will the Impeachment proceedings.

      Does Anyone actually think this is by happenstance???

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    • Pale rider says:

      it is the way of our world basically. We are in constant decline and without action it will occur without.
      They want to play by their rules then play by their rules. Run raids every night until this subsides.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Bloomberg said never mind on that.

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    • Zippy says:

      “This is as true in nice neighborhoods as in rundown ones.”

      Same for entire nations…

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  4. tommylotto says:

    It is extremely important to have a criminal justice system based on intent, or mens rea. Our system can hold you liable for a mistake, i.e. negligence, but for our government to brand you a criminal and deprive you of your freedom, more is required. You must have intended to do wrong. The question is what must be intended: must you intend to kill, or just intend to pull the trigger in a crowd; must you intend to drive drunk, or just intend to have that second drink; must you intend to disclose classified information, or just intend to set up an unsecured private server… Then there is the question of prosecutorial discretion. That too is important, but it is problematic when all the prosecutors are of the same political persuasion. Virtually all political donation (well over 90%) from DOJ employees go to democrat politicians. That is just a fact of life right now. Until there is some semblance of ideological diversity at DOJ we are going to continue to have a two tier justice system on “political” crimes.

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    • Ned Zeppelin says:

      Absent a confession, intent in our system is most often proved by a jury’s reasonable inferences based on the evidence of actions and conduct. Until we can read minds, if strict proof of intent is required always and everywhere, no crimes. There are plenty of offenses that do not require intent as an element of the crime. The offense is such that intent is presumed, such as mishandling classified material. Any other standard is pure, unenforceable nonsense.

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      • tommylotto says:

        That is where the political bias of prosecutors and jurors comes in. With Roger Stone, Gen. Flynn, and Papadopoulos we look to the totality of the facts and find circumstantial evidence of intent. With Strzok, Page and McCabe, we ignore the mountain of circumstantial evidence of blatant bias demonstrating criminal intent and we insist on direct evidence of intent (which I guess would require a confession). Since they did not confess, there is no direct evidence of intent, thus no crime. There is nothing we can do about this phenomenon so long as political crimes are handled by our current DOJ and tried to DC juries. “Forget it Jake. It’s Chinatown.”

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        • Jederman says:

          Simple question for the IG (and other proponents of the “intent” get out of jail free card): Would the “intent” get out of jail free card be in effect if you or your loved ones were the victims?

          Yes, yes a rhetorical question to be sure.

          In time this two tiered justice system will erode our society completely. Why follow ANY rules or laws? If you think you can get away with it or don’t care, go for it. Everyone else is doing it, right.

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      • Dutchman says:

        IMHO,
        It all started with “Political Correctness”; use social shaming to control not only peoples external dialogue, but internal (i.e. THOUGHTS) as well.
        Next, HATE crimes. Its not enough that someone committed murder, or other major crime. If you can take statements of the defendant, not only at the time they committed the crime, but statements made, in some cases years earlier and in very different context, to show WHAT THEIR THINKING WAS, i.e. INTENT, they get a more severe penalty.

        And now we see the ‘flip side’of this; if you can’t show intent, you must aquit”, or even decline to prosecute.

        Just as Nancy has been given an impossible task, of impeaching PDJT, I believe Barr, Durham and Horowitz have been giving an impossible task.

        Investigate to exhonerate simply will not work, this time.

        This “no intent” doesn’t pass the ‘smell test’, and sounds like a six year old, caught with an empty cookie jar in his lap, and crumbs on his face; after insisting the Dog, some other kid, martians ate the cookies, saying
        “But I didn’t MEAN TO!”

        Its a process police see, in interviewing ‘subjects of investigations’.
        First, they know nothing about the crime.
        Then, when confronted with facts, “Well, yes I WAS there, but didn’t DO anything!”
        Finally “Yes, I DID it, but didn’t MEAN to, it were an ACCIDENT!”

        I didn’t INTEND to.

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      • Jim in TN says:

        Aside from cartoons, when was the last time a bank was accidentally held up?

        Kill somebody? Intent equals murder, accident equals manslaughter, self defense may get you off.

        Sometimes the very act demonstrates intent, sometimes it has to be proven by other means.

        So many of these acts demonstrate intent. Nobody warned Trump! Obama stopped trying to stop the Russians! Every damn lure or confidential information or spy. Multiple stings and entrapment schemes. Withholding exculpatory info from FISC. Leaking and then using the resulting stories as confirmation.

        Lots and lots of demonstrable intent. Even before you get to the text messages.

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    • Linda K. says:

      “Intent” is murky and has left Roger Stone guilty, with a swat team arresting him, while Hillary leaves her confidential emails open to the highest bidder and walks away. Comey most certainly “intended” to target Trump, and whether he was deluded or not, he is guilty of falsifying a FISA to spy on his campaign. Stupidity is not an excuse, being a liberal is not a get out of jail free card.

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      • Tseg says:

        When “Intent” = Thought Crimes, and a political decree that “No intent was found” = No Crime is what we have here and makes no sense to me.

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        • littleanniefannie says:

          Even if intent was found in the case of Democrats, it is ignored. If they didn’t have double standards, they would have no standards (only corruption).

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      • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

        “Stupidity is not an excuse,

        being a liberal is not a get out of jail free card.”

        —————————–

        Ah but it is if the jailers are ‘enlightened progressives.’

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    • It is curious how wrongful intent for Democratic actions is always found groundless by the Comey types. President Trump, on the other hand….well, impeach, impeach, impeach.

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      • Robert Smith says:

        What they mean is Trump is a criminal mastermind of the highest order able to defeat a huge effort by a hand-picked team of dedicated people, with the full weight of the governments and its immense surveillance powers, run by people who have gotten countless convictions for real and imagined crimes; outdone by Trump a dullard in all other respects in his professional, personal, and political life, according to sources.

        AND NOW, he gets caught by Schiff and Nadler, and lawfare? Oh yes, I forgot it depends what the meaning of “is” is. They’re defining what the process, evidence, and crimes are and it STILL SOUNDS LIKE BS.

        All they want is their label “impeachment” because that is forever. And then they want a conviction. Whatever you think of that if it goes to the Senate it’s a possibility it happens. We know they will pay a political price for all of this. It is the only way though they can defuse the Trump and his voters problem. That’s why all the other peripheral cases, Flynn etc., are waiting for the denouement before they wrap up.

        I remain hopeful while keeping all this in mind. Because normal people, people who work in the real world and have to play by the rules and laws set for us, know this is all a crock. The sunlight on this will ruin their reindeer games for a little while.

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    • “Intent” is an judgment call, often uncertain and SOMETIMES necessary, for cases of provable ignorance of the consequences of the crime (by children, the senile old, or naive incompetents). In the present case(s!), of the last 10 years of the Insane Left, it is not anywhere near a close call, an uncertain judgment, to hold all of these traitors accountable, to the full extent of the law.

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      • FPCHmom says:

        Yes. Maybe they could convince people that Hillary was so privileged and out of touch that she didn’t intend to obstruct an investigation by destroying the evidence after it was subpoenaed (what a joke).

        But all of these people were lawyers at the highest levels of law enforcement. Obviously they understood what they were doing was wrong.

        It seems like if you text “Trump will never be president, we’ll stop him,” and then act on it by opening an investigation into him, that shows intent.

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  5. Rgt says:

    The wild card in this game is Trump. What is his
    intent.

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    • Keith D. Rodebush says:

      HIs intent is to destroy the Status Quo. Therefore, anything he is accused of he is guilty of.

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    • bruzedorange says:

      Yes. Trump has said repeatedly that “what happened to me cannot be allowed to ever happen to another President.”

      That statement “of intent” by Trump cannot be squared with even middle-of-the-road reports from IG and DOJ investigations.

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    • glen1946 says:

      Trump promised and was elected on his desire to drain the swamp.
      ” …The Trusty Plan Group … have produced indictments … that will fracture the foundations of the administrative state and simultaneously drain the swamp”.

      The president seems confident. He has kept his promises.

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  6. Tazok says:

    Bravo, Sundace. I don’t always agree with Chicken Little characterizations but this was a tour de force essay with specific examples.

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  7. “From all current indications FBI Director Christopher Wray is directing his organization to spend more time filling the cracks in the dam (bias training) -trying to hold back the tide of electoral anger- than they are doing actual FBI work.”

    Any populace that waits with Pavolvian expectation to visit a voting booth every four years to ‘express their anger’ and change the world deserves the lock-down they get. That tide will always be a trickle. The blogitization, tick-tockery, Twitter-follow-me-I’ll-follow you, Q-rusty-spanner all share one prone position: sitting in a chair.

    On the gravitas scale, it qualifies as heavy entertainment, the emphasis being on entertainment. America has become the poster child for masochistic passivity interspersed with buying the occasional firearm and stacking it in the basement with all the others until Soros and Bloomberg curtail even that symbolic gesture. When does this Cold Anger ever soil its petticoats and spill over into Yellow Vest street-rage? That’s the only thing that will push Wray off his seminar solutions. He’s a bureaucrat. So is Horowitz. Inertia is their life-blood.

    The CIA is tapping a minority Congressman’s phone and handing the information to the party they prefer. Brazenly. Out in the open. Where’s their fear of the People? Why does the wrath of the People inspire so little fear?

    I’m betting the Bubbas in Southern Va will holler a bit but hand in their firepower when the going gets tough. Soros knows this. If this Hungarian pos can march into the land of Washington, Jefferson, Madison et al and pull this off, he’s earned the Virginia militia lock, stock and barrel.

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    • Michael Jones says:

      2 barrels, smoking.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      “From all current indications FBI Director Christopher Wray is directing his organization to spend more time filling the cracks in the dam (bias training) -trying to hold back the tide of electoral anger- than they are doing actual FBI work.”

      Yes, well, now we know well that this is ACTUAL FBI work they are doing. What we think they do they do in political service of the State. It looks like FBI work, tidied up and made nice by the Media to burnish their reputation. All done under the cover of secrecy.

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    • Paprika says:

      Maybe you could come on down and lecture us ignorant Pavlovian, locked downed, Bubbas sitting on our butts trying not so soil our pretty petticoats while slopp’in grits into our ‘unedicated’ mouths how we need to wear a yellow vest and insight road/street rage/violence to accomplish things!

      Course, that may not go over too well, might I even suggest that we might get our knickers in a knot over your stereotypical characterizations and calls for violence instead of using caution, cold hard anger and reason, along with thoughtful, effective legal means available to us.

      Or you might just stir up the rage you’re looking for that you hyped while you sat on your butt typing up how folks should get off their butt. Course if we’re the ignorant do nothing Neanderthals you think we are, that rage might be directed in your direction.

      But I think what would really happen is that we would have a good chuckle, buy you another cup of coffee, and gladly take your bet!

      Shall we arrange for your condescending lecture in the Constitutional room at the Emory & Henry College library or just meet up at Bubba Butt’s Petticoat Junction Squealing 2 tooth BBQ Emporium?

      Clarification/truth in advertising—I’m a resident of NC, making me a Tarheel Bubba, but spend a lot of time fishing, lecturing, relaxing, reading, or wearing an orange vest up in Southern Virginia.

      PS: Your wordsmithing is delightful and your rhetorical scope tactics are fairly sound, but you might want to work on your targeted audience persuasion methods a wee bit. Just a suggestion.

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  8. mtk says:

    On the subject intent, there is one aspect of rule of law by intent that is most alarming.
    It is the culture it creates. Whereby, if an individual is a subject in a civil or criminal wrongdoing.
    Jurisprudence by intent codifies the ‘two tiered’ into those that have get ‘out of jail cards’ and those that don’t. Meaning, knowledge of others wrong doing will become the go to card to be played.
    That is meaning of ‘The Culture’. An organizational culture where the presumption is, “Knowledge of wrong doing breeds/enables other acts of wrong doing simple because the system will circle the wagons protect its own.
    Which to me, “Seems to be the intent.”

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  9. Boots says:

    The rule of law is officially dead. The murderers have pronounced themselves not guilty.

    The time to rise up to remove and punish the murderers, preserve the Constitution, and restore the rules of law and truth are upon us.

    We need no further evidence nor proof that the usurpers intend nothing except to utterly, completely, and totally subdue us and become our rulers, lords, and kings.

    Neither should we wait any longer to organize and lay plans to shake off the hands of tyranny now at our throats, and the jackboots of an armed police state marching to shoot and kill us if we dare to resist the State’s effort to reduce us to mere serfs, subject to burdensome taxes, unconstitutional edicts, and political and personal persecution for our traditional Judeo Christian beliefs.

    The State has revealed, as evidenced by the merciless and unfounded persecution of a dull elected President, and by the many schemes and machinations unco ered in their course of the same, that they are indeed the enemy of all the freedoms God put into the hearts of men, and all the freedoms enumerated in the Constitution.

    Inasmuch as those who rule and control our government have in the past, are doing in the present, and will do for all time to come, continue their efforts to destroy, alter, and abolish the Republic and the freedoms of liberty inherent in the founding of our nation, it is our right and our duty, our sacred honor, to remove, abolish, alter, or destroy the mechanisms, organizations, philosophies, and the leaders and members thereof who seek our destruction, by all means and methods at our disposal. So states The Declaration of Independence.

    And if that was enough for the men who started the country that the State’s actors now seek to overthrow, it should be good enough for us.

    This is exactly why the founders enshrined the God given right to be free men and to defend that freedom, in the Second Amendment. There is no wrong, no unlawful thing, in fighting against those whom seek to harm, hurt, or destroy you or your loved ones

    Indeed, the founders needed no Second Amendment to give permission to stand and fight at Lexington, Concord, Breeds Hill, Long Island, New York, Trenton, or any other place in their efforts to be free men, forming their own devices as they saw fit to government themselves.

    This tyranny that seeks our destruction may call such means unlawful, but they do so as a cloak under which they hamstring and shackle us, so they may continue their subversion of us and our country. Therefore, what they do in secret chambers, by corrupt judges and rulers, aided by rabid, unthinking armed agents of the state, let us do in plain sight, before God and men, and not only expose but pursue and hold accountable for their crimes and corruption, using the Constitutional tools and rights left to us by God and man for just such a matter.

    The snake does not die except it’s head be removed.

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  10. Ausonius says:

    Steve Martin had a routine about how to get out of any crime:

    “WHAT? It’s illegal to rob banks?!” (slaps forehead) “Oh, that’s right! I’m sorry! I completely forgot: it won’t happen again.” 🙂

    I have a feeling….

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    • tommylotto says:

      How to make a million dollars and not pay taxes. Okay, first, make a million dollars. Then, don’t pay your taxes. When they ask why you didn’t pay your taxes just use these two simple words: “ I …F O R G O T… that not paying your taxes was a crime.”

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  11. We the people know says:

    So, the only way Horowitz can conclude that the gigantic intertwined conspiracy to frame Donald Trump doesn’t exist/never happened would be for Horowitz to intentionally ignore all the evidence, cover up all the evidence, excuse all the plotters and convince the American people that the devil doesn’t exist. All the while, the climax of the coup is taking place in the House of Representatives with a pending vote to impeach our president. It’s impossible to argue that nothing was done intentionally while AT THE SAME EXACT TIME Donald Trump is being led to the gallows and all the Dems in the House are fashioning ropes into nooses.

    Is the impeachment unintentional, too?

    You don’t get to the brink of an impeachment vote without INTENTIONALITY. All the plotting and the lies and the spies and the eavesdropping and the dossiers and the FISA warrants and the tarmac meetings and the pallets of cash and the Ukrainian coup and the money laundering and the dawn raids and the falsified 302’s and set up/framed 3-star general and the missing Hillary emails and the unexamined Weiner laptop and the unindicted Awan brothers and the media leaking and beach house buying and the jail house hanging and the corruption-covering ambassadors … there is NO WAY that this mountain of corruption, sedition, treachery, treason, coverup, lying and nothing-burger IG reports can be abracadabraed out of existence or out of our collective consciousness.

    Can Horowitz hold back the dawn? Dare he claim that everything that happened was not intentioned? Mere mishaps? A series of misunderstandings with unfortunate outcomes? That literal demons were engaged NOT in the literal destruction of our Republic, but in the glorious promotion of God’s work on behalf of the American People? That the intelligence community, despite some lapses in judgement and some minor rule bending are now, and always have been, engaged in the pursuit of truth and justice?

    The Adam Schiff parade of Jewish lawyers, academic lefty intelligentsia, naturalized America citizens, Democrats and homosexual ambassadors is bizarre and is perhaps meant to incite Christian conservatives who, if they call out the obvious, can again be accused of being what Hillary accused us of, namely:
    “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

    Are Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler deliberately baiting Christians? Americans? Heterosexuals? Republicans? Conservatives? Truth Seekers? The Justice Starved? Has the selection of witnesses been an exercise in mockery and derision?

    Sundance’s expectations management re Horowitz is well taken, well meaning and well timed.

    Will Horowitz escape from his responsibilities yet again? Looks impossible. And yet we know it is possible.
    Horowitz is a magician. He can make culpability disappear while appearing to uncover it. It’s a trick.
    And since it keeps working, he keeps doing it.


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    • trnathens says:

      But then why do they continue? Are they committing political suicide? Do they know something about the Senate we don’t know? What if the Senate DOES convict? What then? Do you honestly think that is an IMPOSSIBILITY? Once he’s out, they have the system. Guarantee all those Google visits during the Obama years was designing the next generation, tamper-proof voting system designed by, run by, and protected by Google algorithms. Of course, that allows them to change votes, but only enough to win where it makes sense, so they hold perpetual power.

      Because they know if they lose, then it’s not just 4 more years of PDJT, but then it’s the first woman president: Ivanka. She will continue to run the country like a business, and so long as no corruption, will then hand it off to Don Jr, who will continue to run it like a business for two terms, and American prosperity will continue forever. And they will be voted in, because the trade and out economy is about to be permanently changed in our favor. Prosperity buys a lot of good will.

      That’s why they’re fighting so hard. But what happens if they impeach, and Senate convicts?

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      • tommylotto says:

        Not sure I agree with you on the succession of the titles of nobility, btw, you left out Barron.

        However, I do not think removal from office is the objective. They are not going to get 20 GOP Senators to vote for removal, but they will get a handful of Mitts. In fact, they will get a majority of Senators to vote for removal. He will be impeached by the House, and bipartisan majority of the Senate will vote to remove. He will remain in office, only because they failed to secure the supermajority required for removal, but that is a hell of historical mar on this Presidency, and not a bad campaign selling point for whoever emerges from the Democrat clown car.

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    • aisheschayal says:

      Hey, wethepeopleknow, must be those Jews ha? They are always the source of blame! Let’s see, what is the discussion on the thread today, Facts vs disinformation. Oh. SARC : / (Please don’t let VSGPDJT know you might be pointing the finger at Ivanka and her family)

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      • Ken Lawson says:

        aisheschayal – As I read wethepeopleknow’s post I kept thinking that I hoped someone had already mentioned the stupidity of the comment about Jewish lawyers and knew that if someone hadn’t, I needed to do so. Thank you for mentioning it. It is sad to think that here, among people who are supposed to be conservatives, someone would think like that and expect to be supported for presenting Jews (or any group) in a derogatory stereotype. There’s no place for it here. A lot of what wetherpeopleknow wrote had some merit, but it lost all credibility with that one comment.

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    • boogywstew says:

      Socialist, communist or liberal lawyers would have worked, but “Jewish lawyers”? US Ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell, is a homosexual and as staunch a President Trump supporter as walks the Earth!

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    • mopar2016 says:

      My greatest escape was when I left Appleton Wisconsin:
      Harry Houdini

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  12. Brant says:

    Didn’t someone post a Milton Friedman quote something to the effect that the “success” of social programs is based on intent and not results? Something like that.

    “They intended to do good and purtect our beloved country, but some folks got caught up in it by accident……” “You know, they were purtecting you, you should be thankful you awful thing you.”

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  13. Jamaica Queens says:

    Marxists want to be judged by their intents, not by the wreckage or misinterpretations their actions caused.

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  14. Don McAro says:

    1. Horowitz has allegedly already made 2 criminal referrals, including former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith. Ha! Lead attorney.
    2. Spin already out: senior lawyer Clinesmith allegedly altered evidence, but Swamp spinners are labeling him a “low level” employee.
    3. Durham is now officially conducting a criminal investigation, and has a Grand Jury seated.
    4. Democrat Horowitz already pulled previous punches; for example, claiming nutbag partisan Peter Strzok had no bias!
    5. A recent court submission by attorney Sidney Powell reveals new text messages showing top FBI & DOJ officials altered General Mike Flynn evidence!
    6. Who gave Ms. Powell those text messages? Horowitz or AG Barr?
    7. How could Horowitz write a report w/o interviewing Carter Page?!
    8. We know the FBI / DOJ withheld exculpatory CP evidence, incl. the Steele bias; and the State Dept & UK noting his unreliability!
    9. The FBI / DOJ withheld that the DNC, HRC, and FBI funded the Steele dirty dossier!
    10. Horowitz has a limited time frame & scope; Durham’s timeframe & scope have expanded, incl. the allegedly corrupt ONA.
    11. Horowitz is friends with disgraced James Comey.

    There is much more, these are just a few highlights.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      It is why they are faking an impeachment process and accelerating it. Each time you look at where they are in the “impeachment” process they go to the next level. They have to kill the victim before they are hanged.

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  15. John Obidienzo says:

    How long did it take to charge General Flynn, Paul Manafort and George Papadopoulus?
    A few months? It’s taken Horowitz [with a very large staff] nearly two years to investigate FISA corruption? I guess It takes a lot longer to do a whitewash than it does to bring charges.

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  16. A very good description of the battle lines, and the current battlefield conditions.
    I’ll be glad to get more information and less speculation next week.

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  17. Vincent Piotet says:

    1. Worldwide competition replaces the stupid arms race.
    2. Our Commander in Chief represents and defends those who serve and those who have served..
    3. Other heads of State respect our President and no longer take pilfering America for granted.
    Jeremiah 29:11-14 explains the protection of Americans during 70 years.of exile under the elite.
    Tomorrow the false prophets start facing the music. Oh Veh!!!

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  18. Johnny says:

    From the Articles I have read, the Fisa report is classified Top Secret. The people that have been called out according to the press have had to go with their ATTORNEY to a facility where they could view what the IG had concluded. They were required to sign an affidavit to not leak the info they were shown that involved just their portion of report.

    So if it is a classified report at this time, it will require either the AG to declassify or the President. The President of the United States Donald J Trump delegated his powers of declassification to the Attorney General.

    So how in hell are we to know if we are getting the whole truth, when obviously this report was compiled in a classified setting, that obviously is very compartmentalized so that a handful of people can have acess to it. No one has leaked any written portion of report, just hearsay. Could it be possible that only 3 people can acess this report in entirely? The lockdown on anything bad on the government is unbelievable.

    So once again here we are being told by our government to trust the report of someone who works for the exact institutions that have gone rogue. This is insanity.

    As several posters on here so clearly stated,

    ” This Republic is in the Hands of likey 4 men.”

    Only one of the men I trust is President of the United States Donald J Trump.

    The other 3 have worked inside the Government all their Adult life. SCARY

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  19. Rick554 says:

    It seems pretty obvious to me that the DOJ, top to bottom, is hopelessly corrupted. And I’d be willing to bet that the average American feels the same way. Even worse, I’d also take the bet that the DOJ, from the Attorney General to the “hard working, patriotic “ field agents know it. Right now the “media” is running the same shots of swatted-up “agents” trying to figure out why an Islamic savage killed our guys in Florida. Here’s an idea ……stop the first truck you see on the interstate and ask the driver. He or she will save us some taxpayer money and you hard-workers can go home by lunch time. As for me, the only law enforcement types I trust anymore are the local cops and the State Troopers. The rest of them won’t hear a peep from me until I have my lawyer next to me. And I’ll save my opinion of the State Department and the “intelligence” community for another day

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    • Zippy says:

      Licensed to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice
      by Sidney Powell

      https://www.amazon.com/Licensed-Lie-Sidney-Powell/dp/1732767602

      “Former federal prosecutor under nine US attorneys from both political parties over ten years and three districts, Sidney Powell was lead counsel in 350 criminal appeals for the United States and more than 150 since in private practice. It was from her experience in several of her cases that she felt compelled to write LICENSED TO LIE: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice after seeing a core group of federal prosecutors break all the rules, make up crimes, hide evidence, and send innocent people to prison. The book reads like a legal thriller, but it names the prosecutors who then rose to positions of great power and the judges who turned a blind eye to their abuses of unfettered power. Sidneyis highly sought to comment on current legal issues and government investigations—especially the special investigation lead by Robert Mueller and his chief lieutenant Andrew Weissmann, who is a true villain in LICENSED TO LIE.”

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  20. cbjoasurf says:

    What’s at stake is “AMERICA & the RULE OF LAW”

    One way or another the GIG on CORRUPTION & ENRICHMENT AT AMERICANS EXPENSE is OVER. “We the People” are awake and the “Deep State” has MANY MILLIONS of ANGRY AMERICANS to deal with if “JUSTICE IS NOT SERVED”.

    Let’s PRAY “JUSTICE IS DELIVERED & THE RIGHT THING IS DONE”

    I “TRUST” in President Trump since he is the ONLY President in my 7 decades of life on this planet that has “delivered upon his promises”

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  21. Zombie says:

    Sundance makes a strong argument. It all comes down to what they are willing to do versus what we are willing to do. All the previous events plus the current Pelosi-Schiff-Nadler-Lawfare ones indicates they will do anything. There is no organization pushing Barr to do something. There is no organization indicating that we, the citizens, will counter.

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  22. ScottyJ says:

    Hey all, longtime reader here. Anyone think there will be any charges? Based on the past, I’m not getting my hopes too high. The report will probably be more of the same. Hopefully, Barr has other ideas.

    It’s sickening to think what has become of our government and justice system.

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  23. evergreen says:

    Comes down to basic question:
    Can a citizen act as criminal prosecutor in a court, or is that explicitly reserved for the state?
    If a citizen can prosecute, then DOJ/FBI actors could be held accountable by the likes of Judicial Watch. We’re sort of protected from double jeopardy, so I imagine the state will reserve all prosecutorial rights related to that. Otherwise, if a citizen cannot proescute, then discretion in charging becomes political, and then the game is over.

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  24. StanH says:

    Be certain Horowitz is a decades long swamp denizen, appointed by Obama to look at originally, Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch’s DOJ. His job is, obfuscate reality and hope that the hypnotized public will lose interest, ballyhooed by the MSM so the criminal enterprise that is the swamp can continue unabated. After all Hillary was supposed to win. You can bet when they picked Horowitz they made it perfectly clear what his job description is, protect the DOJ at all costs. We must remember with Eric the Red and Loretta Lynch their prevailing philosophy: “the ends justify the means.” Anything goes with these creeps, see the Impeachment show as a prime example. If they have to bend or break laws to achieve their Marxist utopia, so be it. They don’t give a damn about The Constitution or Bill of Rights.

    Remember what Barry said about the Bill of Rights something to the effect of: “the Bill of Rights is a charter of negative rights as it does not state what government can do for you.” The exact opposite of what the Founders meant. Big surprise right?

    That being said. “A funny thing happened on the way to the forum.” Remember, Hillary was supposed to win and the final weaponization of government was to take place. Finally the left/uniparty gets their police state and the American people subjugated to the NWO and the whims of the swamp and the UN.

    But, the American people said no! We elected our fearless America First President Donald J Trump and we drew a line and re-planted Old Glory atop the White House – – for real this time. For this reason I believe there will be “some” justice. They know that thinking, God fearing, flag waving, America is watching as opposed to Obama phone, drug addled, country hating America. We’ll see.

    As Sundance pointed out the ambiguous “Intent” rule will be the overarching theme of the IG report. The MSM will assemble panels to tell us of the myriad of accidents that miraculously took place without any malice whatsoever. Just selfless (multi-millionaire) public servants doing their jobs…yak! After all Chris Wallace goes to Temple in DC with Horowitz, and Barr has Bible study with Mueller and the incestuous swamp floats merrily along.

    Not this time! In the long run, heads will roll. We stick with our Great President Trump we will crush them. This includes real justice for real law breakers.

    KAG! …by keeping the faith, be cool, hang tough and be prepared we have a country to save.

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    • Zippy says:

      “obfuscate reality”

      Mission accomplished in spades. The scandal was already incredibly complex.

      “and hope that the hypnotized public will lose interest”

      The vast majority already have or have no real idea of the truth of the matter. See “obfuscate reality.”

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  25. RJ says:

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  26. CM-TX says:

    So then we ride Tuesday @ midnight? I’ll drive! 😉

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  27. TwoLaine says:

    Maria B will be breaking news on this today, she said just now on F & F. TUNE IN!

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    • TwoLaine says:

      1st in from Lindsey Graham on the impeachment sham moving to the Senate next.

      He says he’s NOT going to let TRUMP mount a defense. He wants it over quick. He is SCUM.

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      • Sugarhillhardrock says:

        I think you misinterpreted what he said.

        Given that what the House is putting in front of the trial court, the Senate, it is legally insufficient to qualify as a constitutionally valid impeachment. I think he was contemplating a summary dispatching of the charges as on their face they are unsupported by facts.

        That is what I took his statement to mean.

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        • TwoLaine says:

          Oh NO, I am NOT misunderstanding what she says. Not all all.

          He said he wants it over fast if the Senate is ready to vote in TRUMP’s favor, “because Adam Sh1t is destroying the country” and Linda wants it to end, and end fast.

          BUT, that leaves a BAD TASTE in everyone’s mouths and lingering questions about all the made up facts introduced by the House against President TRUMP.

          In other words, President TRUMP will never be given an opportunity to clear his name and bring the truth to the American people. PERIOD.

          THAT IS WRONG and Linda is SCUM! This is about keeping his seat in the Gentleman’s Club.

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        • TwoLaine says:

          He said, “If they don’t call the Whistleblower in the House, this thing is dead on arrival in the Senate.”

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    • TwoLaine says:

      Get it while you can…

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  28. Bogeyfree says:

    Clearly after 36 months of this fraud and frame job and 21 of those months waiting for the FISA IG Report to come out and IF the powers to be fail to uphold the rule of law for this Republic, meaning they had their chance, is it not time for the Republic to have their chance at this?

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  29. Right to reply says:

    That they are so blatant in their corruption and bias, so open in their dishonesty, must surely mean they have murdered many.
    God keep POTUS safe from the grassy knoll…

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  30. aisheschayal says:

    I am not sure what is happening on Wednesday but I hope Horowitz has to testify with questions from both Conservatives & Demonrats and it will be carried by the media and I hope Giuliani is able to present his findings at the same time, to the public. I think the Horowitz report will be shrouded and the only way to flesh it out is with scrutinizing questions. Let’s hope he doesn’t pull another “I don’t know or I can’t comment” Mueller charade.

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  31. Zy says:

    Fwiw, the former “Stealth Jeff” is supremely confident in the IG.

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  32. DeWalt says:

    The IG reports are just the primer coat for the white wash.

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    • Paprika says:

      Funny you should use the analogy of primer and paint! Good luck finding true primer or straight paint these days. 90% of what is being sold is “paint with primer-all in one” for an inflated price and most of the public as well as half of the “professional painters” are buying this nonsense!

      The purpose of primer is to penetrate deeply, soak into the substrate, and seal the medium for paint. The purpose of paint is to seal just the surface and provide a strong uniform surface finish. One product can not accomplish both at the same time no matter what the “marketeers” say. Two different specialty products designed to accomplish their specific goal that are diametrically opposed to another’s purpose will not achieve either goal when combined.

      It is like saying you can serve both your lobbyists/big campaign fund donors and your every day constituents equally at the same time–Can’t be done!

      The IG report will probably be trying to primer, whitewash, and paint with one thick coat that satisfies all concerns and purposes–It just can’t accomplish all those separate and specific goals with a single ‘cure all’ layer application.

      All to say, it should make for fascinating reading once it is out!

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  33. gary says:

    knowing the arrogance of brennan and company and their proclivity to bloviate about their innocence and intentions, i take their relative silence as being in the dark of the results of the report ,as much as us. sydney powell seems pretty happy. and the implications of flynn walking,for the mueller report,and team ,are , encouraging.

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  34. Koot Katmando says:

    So it is already leaked out that the report will state that the FBI had a predicate to spy on Carter Page. What else is there to know about the report really? If that is true its a nothing burger just a cover up for why the Steel Dossier was used. IG protecting the institution is what IG is for and what they do.

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  35. jus wundrin says:

    Its times like these where vigilante committees may begin to form in order to take care of the Henry Plummers.

    I did not intend to type this.

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  36. John Spiropoulos says:

    I will read the IG report searching for answers to a list of more than 100 questions I have developed. I will share several with you. If you have questions to add, bring it.
    But I’m expecting the read of the IG report to be a slog. As Sundance noted in the quote from the IG report on the Clinton Email scandal, the most consequential fact was buried in a footnote on page 164. Talk about burying the lead!

    And the IG never did resolve the contradiction first noted by Sundance on page 389 of the IG report. It regards Comey and Strzok’s claim about de-duplication of the emails on the Weiner laptop during the investigation shortly before the election and the FBI’s tech experts saying that de-duplication wasn’t possible because of issues with the metadata. The IG was silent on that contradiction and nobody in House or Senate hearings asked Horowitz about it.

    Now a few of my questions…
    Regarding the FISA accusation that Carter Page was a Russian Spy…1 question.
    How did current and former DOJ/FBI officials, specifically John Carlin, explain this contradiction: Carter Page helped the FBI ensnare Russians in a spy case in New York and yet 6 months later the FBI declares he’s a Russian agent in the FISA application? Carlin, as Assistant Attorney General of the DOJ’s National Security Division, was involved in both cases. He knew Page was not a Russian spy. Carlin resigned shortly before the FISA was filed and was not obligated to interview with the IG. Did he?

    Regarding the veracity of the Dossier and the bias of its author…4 questions.
    In the summer of 2016 Bruce Ohr, according to Congressional testimony, warned both Andrew McCabe and senior DOJ officials about the unverified nature of the dossier and the anti-trump bias of its purported principal author, Christopher Steele. Did Ohr provide a more expansive explanation to the IG? How did McCabe and Lisa Page explain why that information was not included in the FISA application?
    Ohr also told Congress that after he informed McCabe, he was asked to brief Andrew Wiessmann and others at the DOJ in the summer of 2016. Who asked him to give the briefing? Did the IG address these issues with Wiessmann and others who attended that meeting?

    State Department official Kathleen Kavalec, after interviewing Christopher Steele in October of 2016, fired off an email to the Justice department warning that Steele was not to be trusted. That information is public knowledge. What we don’t know is who received the email and what they did with it. Does the IG report include an account from all those who were party to the information through texts, emails and/or meetings?

    According to The Hill’s John Solomon, Congressional Investigators revealed that in October 2016 — before the FISA application was made, FBI Chief Legal Counsel James Baker met with a representative of Perkins Coie, the law firm that served as the payment conduit from the Clinton camp to Fusion GPS. Who initiated that meeting? What was discussed? Did Baker interview with the IG? What documentation, texts, emails, etc. exists regarding the discussion that occurred with the Perkins Coie representative?

    Presuming Jim Comey agreed to be interviewed by the IG, how does he explain the contradiction that he attested to the FISA application’s veracity in October 2016 yet told President elect Trump in January 2017 that the dossier, the bulk of the justification for the FISA case, was unverified? Why was the court not told of the deficiencies in Steele’s work in the original application? Why was the court, prior to the FISA renewals, not told that Steele had been fired by the FBI?

    Those are just a few of my questions. Finding the answers will take work. But I expect that, as Flynn’s attorney Sidney Powell recently stated on this site, there will be a lot of useful details in the report. Perhaps some of them will benefit her client. We can hope.

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    • Sugarhillhardrock says:

      Excellent questions, John.
      I have formulated several of the issues you raise, as well.

      Tomorrow will be a most interesting day.

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  37. As Bill Barr put it when evaluating Epstein’s murder: “It was a ‘perfect storm’ of screw-ups”.

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  38. Chris says:

    Even if the Ig report is a whitewash as the previous ones were, Trump still has the “trump card” !let’s not forget he gave Barr all the info to declassify as he see’s fit. At any time trump can declassify all the fisa info! Witch he will do if they lie ! So we need to wait till mon before we speculate as to what is going to inform us on!

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  39. mynameisasherlev says:

    This is why you need a Rat. Without a Rat, that explains what the conspiracy was, you have nothing. Strozk blames Comey, Comey blames Brennan, Brennan blames some amorphous raw intelligence report that he misconstrued. and so on. No Rat, no indictments.

    Horowitz does not have the ability to sniff out the conspiracy, since he can’t put pressure on people like Mueller did. So the OIG report will be a yawner, which all OIG reports I have been familiar with have been. Sorry, folks, same old same old. Oh, sure, Clinesmith did a boo boo. That’s about it.

    On the bright side, PDJT will be able to continue to holler about the Deep State covering for each other, which seems to be true and many people believe it, so it will continue to be a good campaign tool.

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  40. railer says:

    Lindsey Graham is delivering McConnell’s position on Maria right now.

    Looks like McConnell wants a quick acquittal vote, and wants Trump to keep his mouth shut and not fight in a trial on the Senate floor. This is exactly what I expected the Swamp and Deep State to do. The Swamp and Deep State smears Trump, hopefully weakens him, but avoids exposure for their crimes.

    I really do believe Trump planned it just like this, when he uttered the words “Biden” and “Crowdstrike” in that phone call. He knew the Swamp and Deep State would lash out, but that they were ultimately toothless because they had too much exposure to follow through.

    And now, impeachment is done forever, McConnell can’t use it as a sword of Damocles, and I believe the Swamp and Deep State is damaged and Trump comes out stronger.

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      Well technically the stupid House democrats can start all over again with another fake impeachment show after the Senate acquits. And since their backs are against the wall they would likely do just that. The socialist democrats’ we dream of a global eco-governance is fading fast and their well laid plans for world domination are coming apart at the seams. Bravo, carry on mister president!

      ~~~~~~~ TRUMP 2020 ~~~~~~~

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      • Robert Smith says:

        The declassification always lurks. Trump can and will fire people when he feels it is appropriate. When Sessions finally got fired it was a surprise until Trump pulled the eject button on the ‘lil elf.

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      • Debra says:

        And the ‘fact’ that he ‘squirmed’ out from this impeachment attempt will be used as evidence for the subsequent attempts . . .

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    • Zippy says:

      “And now, impeachment is done forever”

      Only in this case. The precedents have been set. Impeachment will from this time forward be used without any real cause or justification against any POTUS who is in any way a threat to the Swamp/Deep State.

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    • Troublemaker10 says:

      quick acquittal sounds good to me.

      Better not have any stray Rino votes either, or there will be h3ll to pay .

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  41. Zimbalistjunior says:

    SD you are wonderful.
    Your cold righteous anger veering into properly applied snark is the exact attitude we all feel.

    Thanks for conveying it so eloquently.

    The two good things we have got in the past three years: PDJT and SD

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  42. Tseg says:

    What % of the IG report will be redacted? I say > 50%. Will allow us conspiratorial masses to have another good 5 years of speculation to keep us subdued and make money for the boosters.

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  43. Zy says:

    Do you realize that this might come down to someone’s spouse being angry that they will no longer be invited to DC social functions if their spouse does the right thing?

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  44. Will Hunt says:

    Isn’t Trump’s “intent” exactly what the “impeachment” is based on. Naturally, it’s his malicious intent.

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  45. Mayo says:

    “…but no direct evidence of intentional wrongdoing was attributable to a coordinated political effort.”

    I do no agree. If “intent” is the measurement stick then one only has to read the Strzok/Page texts to discern a malicious intent.

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  46. Jonah Kyle says:

    Short version:
    Republicans: GUILTY!
    Democrats: NOT GUILTY!
    End of lesson.

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  47. markmurraybooks says:

    Welcome to the Socialist/Democrat/Liberal world. Just read Gateway Pundit for an addendum to Sundance’s article.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/democrats-impeachment-position-although-president-trump-didnt-break-the-law-he-surely-intended-to-and-therefore-hes-guilty/
    “Democrats’ Impeachment Position: Although President Trump Didn’t Break the Law, He Surely Intended to and Therefore He’s Guilty”

    Yep, there’s that “intent” thing again. #DrainTheSwamp isn’t about getting rid of a few, or top level, or deep state gov’t personnel – it’s about keeping the Republic alive. It’s about removing at least half to 3/4 of all gov’t personnel. It’s really that endemic. If you leave those people who think they’re “good” but did nothing when corrupt personnel were breaking laws and regulations, well guess what? They’ll do the same inaction again when more corrupt people replace those “few/top-level/etc” are removed. They will, as their actions have shown, become part of the rot by standing by and doing nothing.

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    • FPCHmom says:

      So even if PDJT didn’t break the law but he intended to, he’s guilty. But all of the spy gate people who did break the law but didn’t intend to are not guilty?

      No crime + intent = guilty (if you are PDJT or support him)
      Crime + no intent = not guilty (if you are HRC or supported her)

      Even a simpleton like me realizes that that is total BS. Most normal people won’t buy it either.

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  48. MLK says:

    Thanks to our fearless leader, everyone here knows the limitations of the OIG. Indeed, the procedures, and what’s playfully referred to as due process protections for employees fo the institution, make those in place for even big city police officers look like a joke.

    In short, the OIG is, by design, intended to protect the institution and its hierarchy.

    I’ve said previously that a 500 page IG report will be devastating regardless of the excuses and tortured rationales offered. Indeed, throwing your weight around like that is self-defeating in the long run.

    I know it sounds like I’m making excuses for them but, believe me, I’m not. Consider the crisis the FBI faced in 2016, in the context of the election. Not only was the FBI supposed to ignore and bury multiple Clinton scandals; but Hillary’s email scandal was dropped in their laps too. How pissed would you be if you had to clean up that mess when it could and should have been resolved with a whitewash State Department report, and a few scapegoats prosecuted (e.g. the IT guy and Huma, if necessary).

    Of course, as we now know, FBI/DOJ had a lot to hide when it came to illegal political surveillance. Comey was at the center of those malefactions, which means he was indisputably the wrong man to be leading the bureau at a moment it desperately needed an Admiral Rogers. Comey has been rightly described as sanctimonious. Worse, I think, you should never lead an institution for which you have no respect because you think you’re better than it and everyone working for it.

    Comey’s leadership failings were compounded in his management of his number two, McCabe. McCabe has exactly the resume we would normally expect of someone rising to the top of the FBI. It really is quite something that he chose to take McAuliffe’s $675K. After that the Clinton’s had him by the short hairs.

    Peter Strzok is, in my view, THE biggest problem for the bureau to explain. It simply makes no sense whatsoever that that childish psychopath in training (by Brennan) rose to such an important position. He constitutes institutional failure in extremis.

    By the way, the same holds even more consequentially when it comes to Brennan. This great country is in deep trouble if it doesn’t figure out how to weed out early on dangerous, seditious filth like him.

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  49. Jimmy R says:

    I have no idea whether the report will be a dud or a nuke. Because I have no idea whether Horowitz is a just and courageous man. If he’s not both, then it will be a dud. If he is both, then it will be a nuke.

    (As an aside: If the report is a dud, then Brian Cates’s faceplant will be the most severe faceplant in human history. For the last few weeks Cates has been taking victory laps and scolding anyone who has disbelieved his argument that the report will be a nuke. His face will henceforth be in the dictionary under “overpromise”. I must admit, I visit his Twitter when I want to pretend for a moment that everything will be okay.)

    If the IG report a dud:

    Plan B: Durham

    If Durham is a dud, then

    Plan C: Senate GOP destroying the crime ring in a four-month long 40 hr/wk trial of the impeachment.

    No? Then the republic is probably toast, but

    Plan D: elect our way out of this mess over the next ten years. (Highly unlikely. The crime ring will be running rampant then.)

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    • Robert Smith says:

      We will get very good information out of the report. Whatever that information is the impact of it will be downplayed and/or ignored by the DeepState Media. They will never admit a nuke hit until it finally destroys them.

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  50. Boots says:

    This is the kind of scum we must defeat and remove from the political body, indeed, from the very country; those that advocate re-impeachment upon a not guilty Senate finding. Clearly those so advocating are advocating the reversal of a lawful election. In so doing it’s THEM not Trump nor his supporters, who are guilty of sedition, bribery, abuse of power, and more.

    It’s THEY who seek our subjugation, our meek compliance, our surrender to their dystopian view of a totalitarian diktat, promised as a utopia of equality and fairness for all. The reality is their vision is one of suppression, persecution, slavery, and misery.

    It’s imperative the people organize and plan to throw off the chains of tyranny being forged even as these words are typed. When the rule of law is inverted, when good becomes evil and evil portrayed as good, there are no more rules upon which The People should be shackled with in their fight to overthrow and overcome their oppressors. All rules of law have been murdered by the enemies of freedom, and those enemies of freedom are subject to the same lack of law which they thrust upon us.

    Their fate is on their own heads. Let the war begin.

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    • Zy says:

      Let the war begin? You said we need organization. We desperately need organization.

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    • aisheschayal says:

      I sort of agree. We are blessed to have President Trump in the White House right now and God willing the next 4 yrs. I voted for him but I honestly didn’t have any idea of what a power house he is, what a great leader and how much he truly cares about America and Americans. He has done so much good, righted so many wrongs in just 3 yrs! However, this scourge of liberal globalism which has now been uncovered and outed has designs to trash our Constitution, our justice system, our election system, our economy, our development, our every freedom such as religion, speech, right to bear arms, you name it. They want to destroy America and this ugly beast will raise it’s head again, it’s grown way to fat and arrogant. At some point, it will need to be killed.

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