Panda Games – China Files WTO Complaint Against U.S. Tariffs…

After benefiting from ridiculous preferential treatment by the World Trade Organization under “emerging nation” status for the past two decades, Beijing now turns to the WTO and files a complaint against the U.S. over recent tariffs and countervailing duties.

The substance to Beijing’s complaint is silly.  China claims there was a “leadership agreement” during the Osaka G20 summit not to apply additional tariffs.  However, the latest round of U.S. tariffs on China were in response to Chinese tariffs applied after Osaka.  Bottom line, Beijing is playing political games.
China, once again playing the wounded panda routine, is trying to set up a narrative that President Trump has broken his word.  That’s the cornerstone of their position, and they know such a complaint won’t go anywhere at the WTO; the complaint is really for the use, exploitation, and consumption by President Trump’s political opposition, domestic and international.  (emphasis mine)

HONG KONG/GENEVA (Reuters) – China has lodged a complaint against the United States at the World Trade Organization over U.S. import duties, the Chinese Commerce Ministry said on Monday.

The United States began imposing 15% tariffs on a variety of Chinese goods on Sunday and China began imposing new duties on U.S. crude oil, the latest escalation in their trade war.
China did not release details of its legal case but said the U.S. tariffs affected $300 billion of Chinese exports.  The latest tariff actions violated the consensus reached by leaders of China and the United States in a meeting in Osaka, the Commerce Ministry said in the statement. (more)

China did not release details of the legal case because there is no legal case.  You cannot go to the WTO and say: ‘but, he promised to buy my pickles‘…. because the WTO will ask you to prove the contract.  There isn’t a contract.  The whole claim is silly.
Notice how the claim comes from the “China Commerce Ministry”.
Those who are following closely will note the dragon face behind the panda mask of Vice-Premier Liu He is Chinese Commerce Minister Zhong Shan.
This political scheme, to complain to the WTO, is specifically from Zhong Shan and Beijing counts on Americans being to stupid to understand what is going on.
The aggregate U.S. position on tariffs relates to countervailing duties being used as sanctions against the practice of: (A) intellectual property theft; and, (B) forced transfer of technology.  The U.S. position is that the tariffs are countervailing payments due to both issues.
The U.S. position on all enhanced tariffs against China, as explained to the WTO, falls under the category of “measures necessary to protect public morals.”  China is stealing the intellectual property of the U.S, another WTO member, and therefore violating WTO rules.
There is clear evidence of these illegal practices, and the U.S. has already outlined the case.
Within international trade agreements each nation can protect their interests by using the clause “public morals” and “cultural industries.”  This is the same way Canada keeps media competition out of their country in the technology sector of the USMCA.
In the U.S. example the theft of intellectual property and forced tech transfer in order to do business with China, are clear examples of China violating international trade rules and “public morals”, stealing is not allowed; and the U.S. tariffs are applied and upheld based on that obvious -and internationally accepted- authority.
Beijing is just playing a political panda game with their ‘complaint’ to the WTO about the latest tariffs.  They are looking for allies to join them in their Orange-Man-Bad narrative.

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209 Responses to Panda Games – China Files WTO Complaint Against U.S. Tariffs…

  1. Peoria Jones says:

    Screw China. And the WTO.

    • Sporty. says:

      That’s about all that needs said and I concur wholeheartedly.

    • TradeBait says:

      Trying to save face. Won’t work. Buh-bye China. The rest of the world will greatly benefit from your communist stupidity.

      • CountryDoc says:

        China, show us how wounded you are, and set an example of compassion with Hong Kong. Show us what a trusted business partner you are. Oh — you already have. Show us who you really are and pay the consequences with your neighbors in the world.
        Maybe you can find a king Josiah, and repent as a nation. It has happened before.

    • Frankie says:

      The post “They Hate You” covers President Trump’s moves against the Chinese, the illegals, and damn near everyone else who is evil recently. Reading it is like a Reader’s nf take on the news.
      Here’s the link:

    • maggie0987 says:

      Rotsa ruck with that, China!

    • litlbit2 says:

      No explanation needed, ditto for GOPe/DNC, new game, new Sheriff!

    • litlbit2 says:

      No explanation needed, ditto for GOPe/DNC, new game, new Sheriff!

    • USTerminator says:

      At this time, I don’t give a damn what China does with trade. Let’s skip all the pleasantry and impose 100% tariff on Jan 1, 2020. Also President Trump would order all imports from China will not be allowed to enter US due to national security on June 1, 2020. Tell all the multinational companies with tie to China that yes you can stay in China if you want but I will bankrupt you.

      • mac says:

        I don’t care what happens to China. I would be happy to slap 200% tariffs on them and break diplomatic relations. We don’t need a damned thing they make and there are other customers in the world for our products. Long story short, the less we have to do with them, the better.

        • trnathens says:

          Easy guys. Imposing crushing economic hardship, intentionally, or through unintended consequences, could lead to lashing out militarily against allies, which draws us in…just sayin, there’s a billion plus of them

          • USTerminator says:

            You are right. We should take easy until we resurrect all the Pershing 2 to place them on Guam and Okinawa. These missiles can hit every where in China in 30 min

      • Steve Herman says:

        USTerminator – We a a nation wants to squeeze china not choke china to death. In squeezing them, we recover $$$ that china has taken out of the US economy w the trade deficits. IMO, that is why PDUT is slowing raising tariffs, keep the host(china) alive but continue draining $$$ from china.

    • Patience says:

      Right on, Peoria Jones !
      China –is– screwed

    • TeaForAll says:

      You are on the money. China is just another Iran. Look at HK and what they are doing to their own citizens. No more games, either they agree to a fair trade deal or face the consequences. Tariff the hell out of them

    • Dino says:

      I’m guessing the tariffs not being applied were contingent upon the Chinese promise to buy corn and soybeans which they broke that promise so the tariffs are applied. Just a guess or a damn good response for the Trump team to World Tyrant Organization

    • vincent cuomo says:

      and the Democrats who will run with China’s complaint to their MSM allies in their attempt to destroy all things Trump.

    • cali says:

      @Peoria Jones: ^^^^^^^^This!
      Yet – China once again shipped into the US 52,000 pounds of the highly and deadly Fentanyl produced in China that could have killed 14 million Americans.
      These shipments are occurring weekly and are intercepted the last one by the Mexican Navy this past week. Masked and mislabeled container of course their ally in Denmark – Maersk – was the ship flying under the Danish flag transporting the Fentanyl.
      Xi promised the president to stop these shipment and yet his promise means chit as the deadly drug keeps arriving on a weekly bases that also includes the postal services of the United States. If that is not an act of war I don’t know what is.
      China is in a really bad place and desperate to stall the trade agreement past the 2020 election in hope a Biden gets into the white house.
      The protest in HK weekly by the young citizens swelling to ever bigger numbers and have recently been joined by the Chinese citizens working HK. That is the last thing China needs right now and if Mainland China’s citizens continue to see the protests in HK the Communist Regime of XI will have a big problem.
      I follow the HK protests daily and read many of the citizens account how brutal China is disguised as though they were police officers from HK the citizens unmasks China daily as the cause for the brutal injuries sustained not only by protesters but also by citizens just trying to go home after a long das work.
      You wouldn’t know from the propaganda media!

  2. GrandpaM says:

    I was reading the article to my son-in-law, and my comment was, “China can go and self-fornicate”.

  3. TradeBait says:

    Until PDT, I did not focus on the origin of products I bought as closely as I should have. I do now. If it says Made in China it does not get purchased.

  4. Merkin Muffley says:

    And the good Globalist servants at the WTO will be happy to oblige their Communist Chinese masters.

    • Rhoda R says:

      Yeah, but they and whose army will enforce their ruling? And who will fund them when the US withdraws from the WTO?

  5. China, the World Trade Organization does not matter to the United States.

  6. Brant says:

    Dang, if people could just see the steps that China has never ever had to take to seek remedy, they could see how good Trump is doing. China is quickly running out of real estate/options. COC, dims, and RINOs can not allow the people to see how easily this could have been done decades ago.

    • Pa Hermit says:

      Trump is exposing the game they are playing and they can’t afford for the people to see what/how they are doing it! Slight of hand if you will. There’s an old adage that goes like: “What doesn’t come out in the wash, will come out in the rinse.” It’s only a matter of time!

      • mopar2016 says:

        President Trump has complained about China having “developing – country” status with the WTO. He’s also complained about India having “developing – country” status.
        I wish that he would pull us out of the WTO. Before we were a member it was a lot harder for other countries to buy up the US. IMO China would own the Chicago Stock Exchange if it weren’t for PDJTs influence on the SEC.

        • rashomon says:

          How about exiting the U.N., which has become a non-elected neanderthal once used to kick-start the NWO and now simply serves aa vehicle to pay off war lords and facilitate drug/arms/energy/human-slave cartels. Oh, yea, don’t leave out food allocations. Food controls the peeps.

          • mac says:

            “Exiting the U.N.”…THIS! Nothing good happens in that wretched hive of scum and villainy. The sooner we run those grifters out of our country, the better. Let them go to Switzerland and see how they like dealing with people who demand cash on the barrelhead before providing goods or services.
            Actually, I’d prefer to see them go set up shop in South Sudan.

        • fred5678 says:

          Anycountry with atomic weapons (China, India, etc.) are NOT “developing nations”.

    • CountryClassVulgarian says:

      The naysayers in this country are so used to selling out the very IDEA of standing up for America did not even dawn on them.

    • Linda K. says:

      This could’ve been done to China decades ago, but our corrupt leaders were on the take. Ask the Clintons, Dianne Feinstein, Joe Biden, and many more.

  7. calbear84 says:

    According to the WTO web site, “non-discrimination” is their highest value. “A country should not discriminate between its trading partners and it should not discriminate between its own and foreign products, services or nationals.”
    So in essence the WTO is to trade what open borders are to national sovereignty: a globalist’s dream come true!

    • emet says:

      File counter claim against China for its treatment of Uighers, and its iron glove response to Hong Kong protestors.

    • Q&A says:

      Free trade (except not for the US or UK)
      Free movement of people (No borders)
      Free use of intellectual property (all your innovations belong to us)
      Redistribution of wealth (your money is my money)
      These ideas and more are all hiding behind masks of non-discrimination, climate change, fairness, sharing, one-world togetherness. They are meant to erase national distinction, punish success, diminish motivation and destroy pride of accomplishment.
      This is what your children are being fed from all sources – tv shows, school, extracurricular activities, music, media – from early childhood through college and beyond.
      The agenda is there. Once you see it, you’ll see it everywhere.

  8. oldschool says:

    Punish China as hard as possible – no slack, no mercy – make the panda cry…

  9. Baby El says:

    This just shows that China is in a world of hurt and doesn’t see a way out. They don’t see the dems taking over in 2020 and they can’t give in. Time to rescind most favored nation status pushed through by the clinton admin!

    • FrankieZee says:

      I thought the exact same thing. The tariffs must be killing them.

    • raptors2020 says:

      And Carrie Lam, Chief Executive of Hong Kong, says she’d like to quit but she can’t. Sounds like Joe Biden.

    • I thought Nixon gave them MFN status.

      • Maquis says:

        No, Nixon stupidly invited them to join the community of nations, “normalizing” the abnormality of the totalitarian Communist monstrosity.

        • GB Bari says:

          It all sounded pretty noble back then. Nixon’s aim was to schmooze the Red Chinese and drive a wedge between them and the USSR in order to give the U.S. more leverage in negotiating with the Soviets.
          And since the US and China had a adversarial relationship since Mao & the Commies took over that country in 1949 (fought against them in Korea and Vietnam), it was seen as a thawing of relations.
          It worked pretty well for awhile. Until China was handed the benefits of WTO and MFN status without having to live up to global rules of behavior.
          Then Trump happened…..

  10. Zippy says:

    China is NO LONGER a “developing nation.”
    Trump targets China in call for WTO to reform ‘developing’ country status
    JULY 26, 2019
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President Donald Trump put pressure on the World Trade Organization on Friday to change how it designates developing countries, singling out China for unfairly getting preferential treatment.
    Trump, in a memo, directed the United States Trade Representative to stop treating such countries as developing countries for the purpose of WTO membership if “substantial progress” toward reform had not been made within 90 days.

    • July 26th + 90 days => October 24th
      52 days to WTO D-Day!

    • mike says:

      China sez it has the largest economy in the world and wants to take on the US military in So China Sea. That’s not a developing country.
      However in the worst case it might be a disintegrated country if it goes MAD.

      • Dutchman says:

        Nope, going MAD don’t help, either.
        A war is a money pit. Like one of those buildings you buy as a ‘fixer upper’, where the more you fix, the more you find you need to fix, and youvrealise you would have to put way more $ into it, than it would be worth once everything is fixed.
        China is going bankrupt, with a little help from PDJT. To go out and buy a money pit fixer upper, hoping by doing so you will avoid bankruptcy?
        No help there. Besides the Chinese military is for intimidation, not combat let alone conquest. People feared the USSR would nuke us, if Reagan didn’t back down, but he stayed the coarse.
        War is NOT an option, for China. They simply have NO option, but to succumb.
        And no, I DON’T mean a ‘deal’.

        • yucki says:

          Let ’em play in Afghanistan.

        • Reloader says:

          THAT is President Trump’s policy and plan for China: No Option and No Deal. PDT fully intends to bring an end to Conmunism … ultimately, with a little help from more than 1 billion Chinese people.

          • Dutchman says:

            Ah, Reloader
            We have agreement. Yet another irony of PDJT.
            THE ,..greatest, most (?) Anti-Conmunist ever, and yet unlike politicians who have run as ‘anti-conmunists’ he doesn’t SAY it, he just DOES it.
            And yup, he’s going to bring it down in China, then in EU and all without firing a shot!
            Its a beautiful thing to watch!

    • Aeyrie says:

      “Trump targets China in call for WTO to reform ‘developing’ country status
      JULY 26, 2019”
      I hope to shout, Zippy. Second largest GDP in the world and they still have “Developing Nation” status?! You have GOT to be kidding me!!
      Awwww, poor Panda. The big bad U.S. is treating you soooo bad.
      Excellent move, PDJT. Long overdue. BTW, I hear the Hong Kong protests are spreading to the mainland. Ruh Roh. China has even bigger problems now. Go Hong Kong!

    • dallasdan says:

      It’s a typical and admirable response from the President. He gives the miscreant, be it a person or organization, a time period to correct their misdeed(s) before punishing them.
      Any intelligent observer of the President’s behavior on the international stage knows that he does not bluff. The WTO is the latest test case for the existence of the learning curve.

  11. Grandma Covfefe says:

    Cry Baby, Sore Loser, Spoil Brat,
    Send a box full of American made pacifiers flavored with Carolina Reaper pepper sauce to CCP.

  12. labrat says:
    Mr. Trump, with an admittedly unorthodox style, is trying to break down the systems, and the concessions, that have allowed the CCP to operate unchecked for too long. He deserves credit, not criticism, for saying: Enough.

  13. Frank says:

    Trump has already ordered US companies to get their butts out of China. I would guess he’s going to completely cease all trade with the commies sometime around the end of this year. THEN WHAT, XI? What are the parasites gonna do when the host flicks them away?

    • Dutchman says:

      PDJT has so many arrows in his quiver, while China has none. He made that tweet, knowing it would spark controversy from msm, JUST SO he could point everyone to the statute, that specifically DOES give him that authority.
      And its a doozy; he can order all companies, including financial institutions, to cease all business with China.
      He COULD end them, in short order. He is doing the ‘death of a thousand cuts’, however and I certainly wouldn’t question his approach.
      In a related matter, several Swiss banks are indicated they are fed up with dealing with EU CCP, otherwise known as,Brussels, otherwise known as Germany operating by proxie.
      While our eyes are rightfully on China, the EU is in just as dire straights, just on a slower time frame.
      See the WHOLE board.

  14. oldersoul says:

    China now telegraphs their increasing weakness. Their One Belt can no longer hold up their trousers. Most embarassing.

  15. bessie2003 says:

    Wonder if the outcome will be that China loses its developing nation status with the WTO. The United States’ response seems like an excellent avenue to create such an appropriate end result.

  16. sundance says:

    Li Zhanshu, chairman of the National People’s Congress Standing Committee, met with a delegation of the US-China Working Group from the US Congress in Beijing on Monday, including Co-Chairs Steve Daines and senator David Perdue.
    Hailing the contributions the US-China Working Group has made in promoting the development of bilateral ties and exchanges between the two legislatures, Li said that the NPC is willing to strengthen exchanges and communication with the US Congress, implement the important consensus reached by the two heads of state during their meeting in Osaka, and properly manage the differences and sensitive issues through dialogue rather than confrontation.

    • A2 says:

      Mostly these bipartisan congressional groups are at first active, then languish for lack of interest. The US-China Working group is still active mostly because there seems to be a consensus that China is a bad actor.
      Excerpt from “ Report of the Working Group on Chinese Influence Activities in the United States”
      “Most recently, the 115th Congress has actively embraced the Trump administration’s view that China has benefited more from the bilateral relationship than has the United States.
      In fact, amidst all the partisan warfare currently dividing Republicans and Democrats in Washington, a skepticism about China’s intentions and reliability and a willingness to
      push back in a bipartisan manner against its un-reciprocal, and sometimes even predatory, policies, is one of the most surprising phenomena. In 2018, for example, the Congress unanimously passed the Taiwan Travel Act, which encourages the Trump administration to host more high-ranking officials from Taiwan, a move that angered Beijing. Still, Congress is hardly united, even on trade. Some members have objected to the adverse impacts punitive tariffs are having on their constituencies, or they have opposed imposing tariffs on allies
      at the same time tariffs are imposed on China. And some members criticized President Trump’s decision in May 2018 to ease harsh sanctions against the prominent Chinese high-technology firm ZTE, in response to a personal plea from the Chinese president. Nevertheless, President Trump’s dominance in the Republican Party means that few in the Republican ranks controlling Congress are inclined to oppose him, especially on China. Indeed, Congress is generally endorsing the most significant reevaluation of American- China policy since the start of normalization fifty years ago. As such, it can be said that Chinese influence on Capitol Hill has reached a low point.” ( p. 16)
      I’d still check their pockets after the meeting.🤣

    • TheWanderingStar says:

      “…two legislatures…” that’s rich.

    • Paprika says:

      Well now, there’s a real surprise! /s
      I bet China surely would love to deal with all their bought and paid for US Congress critters and the “US” CoC instead of having to deal with President Trump.

    • jrapdx says:

      Probably just a curious coincidence but the abbreviation “NPC” has taken on a not-so-favorable meaning these days. It sure seems the idea to “manage the differences…through dialogue rather than confrontation” is just another sneaky way to attempt to undermine President Trump. No doubt China hopes to enlist Congress in their effort to keep taking advantage of US workers and of course the Democrats will go along with it as usual.
      IOW just more panda masks. China’s producing more than enough to easily supply all leftist Congressmen with one of their very own.

  17. A2 says:

    China hasn’t exactly had a winning streak at the WTO.🤣🤑🤣🤣
    China pulls WTO suit over claim to be a market economy
    WTO Confirms China Loses Rare-Earths Case
    World Trade Organization Says International Trade Rules Violated
    China ‘regrets’ WTO ruling after losing grain import quota case brought by US
    World Trade Organisation panel decided China’s system of tariff rate quota system for rice, wheat and corn violated international trading rules
    Case was filed by the administration of former president Barack Obama in December 2016 before Donald Trump began the ongoing US-China trade war
    Yo can read about the cases pending here, if you have the time and inclination.

  18. SHV says:

    “the complaint is really for the use, exploitation, and consumption by President Trump’s political opposition, domestic and international. ”
    “Political opposition” and the $100 million in bribes by the Chamber of Commerce, re:”Orange Man Bad! Panda Victim” will go into the sh*tter when the Dragon deploys PLA troops and mechanized armor on the streets of Hong Kong.

  19. A2 says:

    Poland and the US have just signed the “The U.S.-Poland Joint Declaration on #5G (signed Today in Warsaw) mentions the Prague 5G Security Conference, hosted by CZ PM #Babiš in May. More about that event in a broader context of CZ🇨🇿-CN🇨🇳relations .”
    Read this( in English):
    Czech Republic on the Challenges in Cooperation with China
    Not exactly PRC winning.

    • Paprika says:

      Thanks for posting that, A2! Poland is standing strong and on a roll! So glad to see Poland and the US really working together for the benefit of both countries!

  20. redthunder238 says:

    “Beijing counts on Americans being to stupid to understand what is going on.”
    Most of them are….bigly. The MSM is a serious problem.

    • CountryClassVulgarian says:

      I’d say the ones who consume very fake news hysterical drive by media products. I still believe the silent majority is way smarter and way more savvy than is believed.

      • Reloader says:

        And it may be that the CCP is convinced that the great majority of Americans believe every word spewed by very fake news outlets. This would give Conmunists a very wrong idea of what real Americans know and believe.

    • Daniel says:

      I would be among them. I wouldn’t have nearly as wide and deep a world view as I have now without the Conservative Treehouse. It’s what we choose to exposed ourselves to which makes the difference. Contrast this with The Gateway Pundit.

  21. SHV says:

    Wonder what this means in the “Panda Games”?
    Havoc I caused is ‘unforgivable’: Hong Kong’s Carrie Lam says she would apologise and quit if she could”
    ““For a chief executive to have caused this huge havoc to Hong Kong is unforgivable,” she said. “If I have a choice, the first thing is to quit – having made a deep apology – is to step down. So I make a plea to you for your forgiveness.”
    She said the extradition bill, which would have allowed case-by-case fugitive transfers to China, was her idea: “This is not something instructed, coerced by the central government,” she said, expressing regret about her decision and for underestimating Hongkongers’ scepticism over mainland encroachment.”

  22. A2 says:

    If anyone deserves the Janus coin it is Merkel’s Germany. However that is her calling card. She sells The PLA high tech then pretends to be an ally.
    A recent 2019 report on “The Subnational Dimension of EU-China Relations”
    Poland, on the other hand,
    Pence says US committed to expanding military presence in Poland, details still thin
    “Lots of proposals have been put on the table,” Duda said. “We hope this year we will be able to sign a final agreement concerning the extension of the U.S. presence” in Poland.
    Pence said sites “for our joint bases have also been finalized,” but referred a reporter’s question about the timeline of the boost into Poland to the Pentagon.

    • SHV says:

      Question related to your China expertise:
      I notice that many/most of the Hong Kongers reported in news stories have “English” first names, are these names “legal” names or adopted as a social “convenience”?

      • A2 says:

        Some are legal in the sense of on birth certificates, but the convention in HK is that usually when children enter school they chose an English first name to distinguish themselves as there are only about 100 surnames making up about 85% of all surnames out of about 4K available in Chinese and it gets confusing. The custom is widespread elsewhere and even in China it has been adopted.

    • sarasotosfan says:

      You can not overstate the significance or importance of this. It is an amazing development and underscores the rollback of Russian reach, even with Putin in power.

    • Aeyrie says:

      Think the plan is to move Ramstein et al to Poland, A2? That would be a significant move!

  23. Pyrthroes says:

    What with China’s decades-long abuse of WTO principles, lately combined with proxy Huawei’s drive to pervert 5G technology to surveillance ends, Peking’s fog of unreality resembles an incoming Eye of Dorian.
    Alas for Peking’s wily oriental gentlemen, the world’s 72-year Postwar Period ended with a three-generation default-to-zero in January 2017. “Time, gentlemen, please!”– and now that ChiComs’ fire-breathing Dragon Pub is closed, their Belt-and-Road path home leads straightway to oblivion beginning late in 2021.

  24. Bubby says:

    Well we all know who the WTO will support! The WTO is the ninth circuit of trade organizations always siding against America IMHO!

  25. Fools Gold says:

    “This political scheme, to complain to the WTO, is specifically from Zhong Shan and Beijing counts on Americans being to stupid to understand what is going on.”
    It most certainly will rally the MSLSD and their stupid insane viewers and democrat voters. The suggestion that that do this surely came from left political schemers and and scammers inside the communist party in the good old USA. The talking points were simultaneously passed out at the same time such as Orange man very bad for the world. I say continue to MAGA onward POTUS! Move tarrif implementation dates to the Left. Labor Day now comes to mind.

  26. Maquis says:

    Impotent Panda.

  27. dilonsfo says:

    This problem is caused by, for the USA, American companies rushing to China for two reasons: 1. The Chinese market. 2. Cheap labor to export back to the USA. Both reasons equal greed. A half billion in profits is not as good as 1 billion in profits even if it means selling out your country. The same rule applies to every other country whose home companies are doing business in China.

    • evergreen says:

      I don’t think it necessarily qualifies that one is selling out his country if he moves operations overseas…if Congress has set the table for exactly this. In other words, if the owner adapts to the market or goes out of business, can you hold that against him for choosing?
      Those who lobby for the ability to exit are a different animal. That could be viewed as selling out.
      The entire issue at stake in Trump’s position is this: sell into American market, then you must own the overhead associated with doing so. Taxes, OSHA, insurance, worker’s comp, wages, EPA, liability, etc., all drive costs up. Leaving to manufacture on foreign shores avoids those costs which attach to U.S. operations, leaving the U.S. based competition to suffer those costs while you mosey on in and undersell them. Trump says, build here, carry the overhead, sell here no problem. Build there, sell here, you have a problem, and he’s going to fix it for you.
      Foreign lands are cheaper because they are comparatively devoid of first world labor and environmental protections. One would think liberals would be 100% on board with Trump.

    • leont says:

      Very communist-style comment. 401K and employment go up when companies make profits. Also, when trade unions became unreasonable, NAFTA apprared. When computer programmers started demanding $500 per hour, Indians appeared. Not everything is black and white.

  28. Mike in a Truck says:

    Watch the commie MSM portray Red China as the injured party. I love this! PDJT will destroy the whole narrative with one tweet. Watch!

  29. scrap1ron says:

    Chuck Fina and their American quisling proxies.

  30. ilcon says:

    This thread is Aussie centric but China’s worldwide tentacles are exposed.
    Definitely a must read.

    • A2 says:

      PM Morrison will dump an earful on the President about the PRC’s influence operations in Australia. I posted some of it on the presidential thread , but could easily fill a page with what has been going on and is now being exposed.
      Those two are on the #GreatChinaPayroll.

      • JC says:

        Pathetic losers. How awful to go through life with total lack of character and integrity.

      • Dutchman says:

        I remember those posts, A2. Whatvit described was an operation to gain influence, that is obviously going on, with variations in EVERY country.
        Reminds me of the “Nazi sympathisers, turned ‘Vichie’ governments; every country Germany ‘occupied’, they had citisens already in place, to put in charge of the local governments.
        Like King Herrod, like the “Judas goat”.
        That article detailed the nexus of crime, incredible wealth, and corruption in AU.
        But undoubtedly a blueprint.

    • mike says:

      Two traitorous opportunists that need to take a short walk off a platform with ropes around their necks…

    • Robert Smith says:

      Lol what is Aus 60 minutes doing having those two clowns on? That’s not too clear is it?

    • Guyski says:

      Well, that is the second time Omarosa and Mooch were on TV together. That can only mean that they are having an affair. 🤔😁🤢🤮

    • TwoLaine says:

      That was a waste of 3 minutes.

    • TwoLaine says:

      Omarosa looks like she put on about 50 pounds, in her butt.

    • CountryClassVulgarian says:

      You know I started watching and then I thought why? Why indulge these people? They are liars and traitors of the highest degree. I will not waste time on them.

      • ilcon says:

        To ignore your enemy is to empower him.
        The post has two threads in one with several videos full of info.

        • free2313 says:

          They are their own worst enemy and I do not see how that would empower those two pathetic losers..

        • CountryClassVulgarian says:

          I don’t have to waste my time brain cells listening to omarosa and scaramucci spew reckless, spiteful lies about the POTUS to know them. The fact that they are doing what they are doing is all I need in order to know them.

  31. Magabear says:

    The WTO is a joke all on its own. Another transnational agreement from the 90’s designed to fleece America.

  32. Garavaglia says:

    This is like an outmatched cornerback complaining to the ref that the receiver he is covering is too fast for him. Full steam ahead Mr. President.

  33. A2 says:

    PRC #NotWinning
    I have a series of posts on the first page of the presidential open thread on this topic. Will not repost here.
    But always like to pile on.
    “Chinese ambassador summoned in Lithuania over ‘deplorable behaviour’ by officials during Vilnius’ show of support for Hong Kong protesters
    Officials ‘crossed the line’ by orchestrating pro-Beijing supporters as they challenged demonstrators, says Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius
    Diplomatic row relates to human chain formed in Baltic state, held in tandem with Hongkongers”
    (When I was in elementary school, I remember that there were food tickets for meat. Many things had to be provided with vouchers. I didn’t expect them to come over the past 40 years. These things have appeared on the mainland again.)
    Mao era food rationing happening in the PRC. Father Francis Liu tweeted this out

  34. A2 says:

    Here is an article about Zhong Shan, an old buddy of Chairman Xi Mao 2.0 from his days in Zhejiang. This is when he was first rolled out in the negotiations.
    As one commentator said, “Zhong Shan’s more visible involvement in the negotiations is one of many signs that China has lost interest in a major deal that addresses the concerns of the United States and other countries about Chinese industrial policy and the lack of market reciprocity,” he said.
    “Those hoping for a deal that stabilises the relationship should give up such illusions. It won’t be coming any time soon.”
    “China’s hawkish new face in US talks Zhong Shan ‘shows Beijing is not close to a trade deal’
    Commerce minister tells People’s Daily ‘US started this economic and trade dispute’ and that ‘we must make the best of the spirit of struggle’
    Beijing is in no hurry to reach a deal, analyst says: ‘It looks like China is waiting to see what happens after the 2020 election’

    • Robert Smith says:

      The election is so long away. Each week it seems it I even clearer how much damage is being done to China’s economy. It’s a nice front for them but it doesn’t seem sustainable.

    • Reloader says:

      That Zhong Shan just looks like some sort of murderer. Too young, though, to be a veteran of the Viet Nam war. So perhaps a murderer only of his Chinese countrymen. Unlike Vladimir Putin then … who has probably murdered all over the world.

  35. 335blues says:

    America should move to revoke communist
    china’s most favored status as it is outdated
    by at least a decade.

  36. A2 says:

    Also, some background on Li Zhanshu, the guy meeting with the Congress people. Another buddy of Chairman Xi from the ‘good’ old days.
    ‘Li Zhanshu: key aide to China’s Xi Jinping vaults to top of Communist Party
    New Politburo Standing Committee member Li Zhanshu befriended Xi when they ran neighbouring counties in Hebei more than three decades ago’

  37. KAR says:

    Hmm. Dunno. This article was published by Reuters. Reuters is owned by the enemy. May not be true that China lodged a complaint with the WTO. Reuters might be misrepresenting an event far more benign, to stir up conflict over Trump’s China policy. Why does CTH, now my favorite website, rely so much on Reuters? I see Reuters as the slickest propaganda of all: a lot of truth with a dash of poison. Frankly, I can’t afford the poison.

  38. gary says:

    wonder if the world will file a complaint when these commie murderers take out hong kong.

  39. 13wasylyna says:

    Wahn Wahn Wahn…….China a supposed super power whines to WTO….boohoo Panda. This is a weak sister move…..mommy, uncle sam isnt playing fair yes yes I know Ive been cheating for years but Uncle sam isnt suppose to call me on it

  40. TwoLaine says:

    The minute we heard that China had slapped us w/tariff’s after the temp cease fire, I knew what was coming next, and exactly as it should be. Play with fire and you will get burned. Most children learn this at an early age.

    • A2 says:

      One of the slogans of the protesters in HK, from the Hunger Games is:
      ‘if we burn, you will burn with us!’

      • TwoLaine says:


      • SHV says:

        Joshua and Alex are very brave people…..I don’t think the PRC/CCP/Xi can allow them to go unpunished (killed?).
        “Young traitors to ruin themselves”
        “Two young leaders of violent protests in Hong Kong, Joshua Wong Chi-fung and Alex Chow Yong-kang, published an article in The New York Times on Saturday, urging US legislators to vote on the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019, which would “give the president of the United States the power to penalize Chinese officials who interfere in Hong Kong affairs.”
        “Rioters like Wong and Chow have made a tragic choice by using personal frenzy to challenge the general trend of China’s rise. In the end, they will only suffer a complete loss. ”

      • dallasdan says:

        I think this is particularly impressive and reflects the deep commitment among the protesters who know the circumstances and violent outcome of the Tienanmen Square protests.

  41. This in my opinion was a stupid move. Sure it will give some ammo to the orangemanbad narrative but at the cost of showing weakness to an apex predator like Trump. Silly move indeed.

    • Dutchman says:

      I did see an article suggesting a crackdown could invoke the International Criminal court.
      Not fond of the Organisation, but….
      They can indict in abstentia, and have a # of other actions available. And, it wouldn’t be PDJT or the US doing it.
      I think it said going after finances of leaders, siezing foreign investments.
      THAT could sting.

  42. fred5678 says:

    I love how WTO still treats the world’s 2nd biggest economy, a country with ICBM’s aimed at USA, satellites, world’s fast computers and AI, aircraft carriers and 5th generation stealth fighters, as an “emerging nation”.
    WTO, and before them, GATT, are a total joke.
    WTO, and GATT before, allowed an EXEMPTION for VAT in calculating trade balances. France was first and only country in 1950’s, and since a VAT subsidizes exports and penalizes imports. VAT is ultimate nationalistic trade tool. After GATT gave exemption to France “because VAT was too hard to compute”, over 140 other nations have imprelemented a VAT.
    So the whole damn world has had a trade advantage over non-VAT countries for decades under GATT and WTO supervision.

  43. dufrst says:

    Decouple, decouple, decouple. ” This has to be a deal that’s better for us. And if it’s not better, let’s not do business together. ” – Trump at G-7
    A great deal means, a deal that completely reverses the trade deficit in our favor or one that “meets China halfway” but throws in North Korea. “China will get a better trade deal if it solves the North Korean problem”
    The quotes are at the links. Those are the terms for China. The bottomline is Trump continues to make trade deals with USMCA, KORUS, Japan and soon with UK. The EU undoubtedly will follow suit after the UK. Once the deals with the advanced economies are in, I believe Trump should look to India, Brazil and Indonesia. These are democratic, high population nations, with low to medium income economies wanting to become advanced industrial economies in the future. They harbor no ill will to the US and none have global supremacy ambitions.
    If China is going to keep up these silly games, I say decouple. Frankly, I believe it’s Trump’s intent to decouple and the only reason he hasn’t done so abruptly is to give US companies the time to get their alternative supply chains in order and to placate the stock market until he’s reelected. Going through the song and dance of negotiating with China, while actually finishing off trade deals with major nations like Japan and UK, will keep the market from tanking before the elections. After the elections, cement trade agreements with India, Brazil and Indonesia (ASEAN) and decouple from China. Better yet, would be to get a reciprocal trade bill through Congress and get out of the WTO! MAGA!!

    • Dutchman says:

      I disagree on EU, otherwise your spot on. EU is on the same flight plan as China, just behind them, like planes at an airport.
      LOOK at how EU has not dealt with Brexit; the EU is CCP LITE.
      NO DEAL with China. NO DEAL with EU.
      Brexit will lead to end of EU.
      PDJT has SAID, repeatedly he doesn’t like multinational trade deals, he likes BI-lateral. I am NOT confident he really wants USMCA.
      He will let Nancy take the heat for killing it, after starting the clock on burying NAFTA.
      Then, he will quickly cut a deal, a BILATERAL deal with Mexico.
      Canada can suck it, until the government gets smart.
      Screw China?,…Screw EU, they are collectivists, globalists, conmunists and have been screwing the US since their formation.

      • Reloader says:

        Wow … concise, complete and the sort of truthful comment this site is known for.

      • CountryDoc says:

        Agree- EU is CCP lite. Dems/RINOs/Globalists/U.S. CoC are CCP within. An large, widely metastatic tumor, maybe like a leukemia, embedded within us. Cells not following the DNA.
        The DNA of our Nation is the Contstitution, and it was founded by wise men, seasoned by study of history, their own mistakes, and the crucible of their trials as settlers. Then, having risked their lives for freedom and opportunity of the New World, having that freedom threatened by the King and his corrupt agents of power. They had the honesty and self awareness to trust no man completely, and trust no small group with a concentration of power.
        More than any other government, they patterned the U.S. constitution to respect the DNA of the spiritual principles of our Maker in the hearts of every man. Protect our God given freedoms, including the freedom to seek God freely, unhindered by the government.
        We must get rid of the cancer within. Our own citizens do not see it clearly, they are so close to it, but they are getting wiser. The citizens of the rest of the world, however, captive or not — are singing our National Anthem — no matter how corrupt their governments are.
        Treatment of leukemia a cancer of the blood, is usually much harder than treatment of a solid tumor, even one that has metastasized. But slowly we are recognizing the deviance of the leftist. The hallmark — they are not for the long term benefit of the whole body, and they are not following the DNA they were created with.

        • Dutchman says:

          For God and Country, doc for God and country!
          To continue with your analogy, PDJT is chemotherapy, if that isn’t sufficient, we may need to follow up with surgery.

    • Reloader says:

      @dufrst … yes, and one of the many reasons that very wise PDT works slowly at urging US firms to abandon China is this: the most valuable U.S. company has more than 47 percent of its manufacturing in China. That will be difficult to change.
      While Microsoft’s software is copied everywhere in China, Apple’s hardware is manufactured there. These are very different situations for these firms, but VSGPDJT is working on both problems.

  44. “Ah, “Reecky Booby”! Now we shall dance…and yes, it will be a slow jam!”
    ESGPDJT has more patience than 50% of the population combined. He slowly boils the frog and soon the frog is cooked before knowing what happened.
    From his many years of perfecting the dance in the New York real estate market, even many of us at the CTH might take a while to see what is being cooked, but it’s always a delicious dish!

  45. fangdog says:

    China listens to too many anti-American Globalists and watch too much anti-American CNN. By and large the American people as a whole, do not like Communist China and would like nothing more than have Communist China collapse. From a political standpoint, China’s strategy to weaken Trump just makes Trump all the more stronger in the eyes of all patriotic Americans.

  46. Cisco says:

    “ China claims there was a “leadership agreement” .
    No legal eagle here, but if it ain’t on paper and signed, that “agreement” is pretty much worthless.
    Although Professor Charles W. Kingsfield, Jr.
    may hold a different opinion.

  47. jeans2nd says:

    China went to the WTO about the U.S. twice before, iirc. Neither went well for China.
    But this is sure fun to watch, tbh.

  48. ezgoer says:

    I’m sure Marco Rubio and Mitt Romney will be down at the WTO in short order pleading China’s case. The globalist GOPe will be cheering them on no doubt.

    • A2 says:

      Surprise. Marco Rubio has become an outspoken critic of the PRC when he became co-hair of the CECC. Learned a great deal. He is behind legislation to punish China and support Hong Kong and Taiwan.China hates him and writes scathing criticisms of him in their propaganda press.
      Don’t know about Romney, who cares.

  49. kary says:

    Farmers are losing patience. Trump is down 10 points from July in latest Ag poll. Now they have to get ready to put in a winter crop & they don’t know who their market is. Lose the heartland and lose the election. Democrats are seizing the day. Local elections going for them. They don’t sound leftist. They sound normal & if they throw in some wording about paying off all student loan debt, farmers are suddenly ok with that b/c they’re being told by dem operatives that they’ll be taken care of too.
    Sundance – if you can, get out to a local ag meeting & listen to what is going on. Call any of the associations & there will be a september or october get together. Ask if you can sit in as a friend to ag who’s doing research. If they prod you further tell them you’re a journalist who is pro-ag. Either the Farm Bureau, the local’s associations such as cotton, wheat, corn, cattle, pork, etc. You’ll get the real information from them.

  50. cthemomma says:

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