BIG! – NSA Recommends Dropping Phone Surveillance Program….

Perhaps the weaponization of the NSA database was the biggest research project we ever took on.  That said, CTH prudence requires a lack of commentary.  For a background on this story see the [“SIDE NOTE“] previously presented HERE.  “The candle is not worth the flame.”

(WASHINGTON DC) The National Security Agency has recommended that the White House abandon a U.S. surveillance program that collects information about Americans’ phone calls and text messages, saying the logistical and legal burdens of keeping it outweigh its intelligence benefits, according to people familiar with the matter.

The recommendation against seeking the renewal of the once-secret spying program amounts to an about-face by the agency, which had long argued in public and to congressional overseers that the program was vital to the task of finding and disrupting terrorism plots against the U.S.

The latest view is rooted in a growing belief among senior intelligence officials that the spying program provides limited value to national security and has become a logistical headache.

Frustrations about legal-compliance issues forced the NSA to halt use of the program earlier this year, the people said. Its legal authority will expire in December unless Congress reauthorizes it.  (read more)

…”It is up to the White House, not the NSA, to decide whether to push for legislation to renew the phone-records program. The White House hasn’t yet reached a policy decision about the surveillance program, according to the people familiar with the matter.

The White House National Security Council and the NSA declined to comment.”…

[…] In remarks over the past month, Gen. Paul Nakasone, the director of the NSA and chief of U.S. Cyber Command, has declined to offer specifics about the status of conversations about the metadata program, but he has acknowledged officials are reviewing whether it is necessary.

“It’s a collaborative process, and the administration will make the decision,” Mr. Nakasone said this month at a Marshall Forum event in Washington. “We are taking a look at it, what is the value of it, what are we able to get from it…I think the question becomes, is this a tool that we continue to need to have for our nation’s security?” (link)

May God continue to bless Admiral Mike Rogers…

Do not go about your day without contemplating the scale of this decision; and more importantly the ideological shift on the freedom continuum.  97% of our nation will have no comprehension of the importance of this story.

One of the hurdles in revealing the scale of the story behind the abused FISA process are the current interests of the intelligence community.  Those who benefited from the abuse of the system have used “national security interests” as a shield to avoid revealing the history of Obama-era political surveillance and spying.

However, if the intelligence apparatus says they no longer want/need the surveillance system; that is, the specific aspect used for prior abuse; well, the shield is removed;… and, as a consequence, the history of how the NSA database was abused for political spy operation can then be revealed.

Love to all.

Wolverines !!

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277 Responses to BIG! – NSA Recommends Dropping Phone Surveillance Program….

  1. Doppler says:

    Bill Binney created Thinthread to exploit sigint’s ability to connect people, communications, etc., without allowing unlawful searches and seizures of the content. Probable cause submitted to a judge would then allow, pursuant to a warrant, the collection of all content, on a prospective basis, and to see the past roadmap of who communicated with whom. This very efficient and constitutional system was abandoned in favor of collecting and storing everything. Clapped lied about it to Congress. Snowden disclosed it all. Obama used it to spy on on many people. Who knows what other abuses have occurred.

    Every federal government official swears to uphold the constitution. If the 4th Amendment canbe salvaged, then we must try, or abandon the constitution.

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  2. GREENMIRROR says:


    Do I hear a second for an audit?

    Liked by 1 person

  3. kltk1 says:

    It would be naive to think they would give up this program without some confidence there was something of equal, or better value available to them. Enter “Alexa” and every smartphone with batteries that cannot be removed (If you can’t remove the battery it cannot be fully powered down), every car radio that cannot be turned off with “voice recognition” capability, every iPad with a microphone/camera, computer monitors with cameras and microphones, doorbells with video cameras and microphones, NAV systems with voice recognition software, etc. They’ll get their information one way or another.

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    • Fringe Dweller says:

      This was the comment I was looking for. Saved me some typing. It would indeed be naive to think the cloud servers all of that information is stored on is not accessible (or is not being accessed) by these guys, and others.


    • Thrawl says:

      There is… however google is in bed with China. It’s all a crap shoot anyway. Power corrupts it’s all right here in front of us.


  4. moe ham head says:

    talk is cheap they will tell us one thing and do the opposite its DC dont forget that


    • DeWalt says:

      My thoughts too. Disinformation. Also something else. The spies (the Nellie Ohr types) may have shown they are reverting to old technology. Kinda like going back to typewriters like the Russians are doing.


  5. Kerry_On says:

    IF this comes to pass (and let’s face it, it has a better chance with the Trump administration than any times in many decades), the next step would be for the PTB to assemble those domestic surveillance files necessary for ongoing prosecutions and then DELETE the rest of the useless data they hold on average Americans. The president can throw the “delete” switch while we all sing “God Bless the USA”. It should be declared a National Holiday! We could celebrate that day every year going forward. Maybe we can call it “Constitution Day” and we can celebrate that holy document and mandate its study in our schools again. We can become a beacon to the world to do the same or explain to your citizenry why they cannot be free of this Orwellian practice. Great idea!

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  6. Hoop says:

    All the players that you “want to intercept” – are not using standard communications anyways. They only people the NSA intercepts – is us.


  7. askandgettruth says:

    RIGHT, and there is a tooth fairy. like ex pres Reagan said trust but verify


  8. TomA says:

    The “logistics” that Nakasone is referring to is the enormity (and associated expense) of cloning and archiving all the EC traffic that currently occurs within the US. The data centers (which are numerous and located throughout the US) are huge undertakings that require expensive equipment, huge electricity consumption (especially cooling), ongoing maintenance and IT support, and a staggering amount of difficulty performing search functions because of the shear volume of data (which is growing exponentially). In a strange twist of fate, this phenomenon is making it nearly impossible to make beneficial use of this resource (even illegally).

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  9. Yes! Obama is the symptom. NSA surveillance is the disease. Very promising.


  10. Joan Kromphold says:

    This sounds good, but like many of the commenters said, they must have something else to take it’s place or they would never give it up. Some said they have cell phones that can’t be turned off, Alexa and a lot of other things like tablets and computers with cameras, smart TV’s and that GPI (I can’t think of the name) system that tracks where ever you are and gives you directions. NSA probably wants to give it up so they can use the money they spend on it to find a better system.



  11. Deacon says:

    Dear Mr. President,

    I understand that the NSA has recommended, to you, that they abandon their U.S. surveillance program that unconstitutionally collects information about American phone calls and text messages. Well, what do you know? What we have there is the cockroaches running toward the dark! Those scum would love nothing more to delete/”Bleachbit” those hundreds of thousands of hard drives there in Bluffdale, Utah, so that ALL evidence of their attempts at a Coup d’etah are gone!

    I urge you, Mr. President, to NOT ALLOW even one character change to that massive database. NO CHANGES, NO UPDATES, NO DELETIONS, NO INSERTIONS until you and your administration have been able to run EVERY FISA ‘702 ABOUT’ query that you deem necessary to get the goods on EVERY SEDITIOUS, TREASONOUS, SCUM BASTARD involved in the last 20 years to overthrow my Country, My President, and our Electoral process!

    Until such time that you’ve been able to collect to INDICT, TRY, CONVICT, AND EXECUTE these TRAITORS and SEDITIONISTS, that data needs to remain safe and available.

    Not until, “WE THE PEOPLE”, the 290 Million Citizens, of this Country, see those rat bastards swinging from a rope, until dead, with their feet kicking above the ground and their necks stretched 3-4 inches, will “WE THE PEOPLE”, EVER view the NSA, CIA, DOJ and FIB as anything other than grossly corrupt gatherings of SCUM traitors and parasites on Freedom and Liberty! NOT UNTIL JUSTICE IS DONE WILL “WE THE PEOPLE” ever again begin to view these corrupt, circuses as legitimate!

    WE THE PEOPLE will mock these terminally tainted, scourges of your CIVIL RIGHTS FREEDOMS and LIBERTIES. I’m sure that you know, that until such time as “Lady Justice” has her blindfold restored and her scales leveled out, our Country will continue to devolve into a third world country where lawlessness and corruption reigns – Venezuela comes to mind!

    Then and only then, should you allow the NSA to destroy that illegally obtained, unconstitutional assemblage of every single person’s, on the face of the earth, private data, let alone the 290 million US citizens and 30 million illegals, but you should take steps to launch B-52 strikes on both Langley, Virginia and Bluffdale, Utah insuring minimal collateral damage and guaranteeing that only dust is left of those mortal threats to our Freedom and Liberty. Next, burn to the ground those dens of iniquity known as the Department of Injustice and Federal Bureau of Insurrection, who attempted to overthrow you Sir, our Constitutional Government, our somewhat legitimate American voting process and our Civil Rights! THEN SALT THE GROUND FOR A 100 YEARS WHERE THEY ONCE STOOD!

    Mr. President, I hope you understand and appreciate the white-hot rage that each of your supporters feel about this attempt to destroy you, our Country and our way of life. The Son’s of Liberty, as in our founding, will, if necessary insure that JUSTICE IS DONE and our Country is taken back from the Deep State and the foreign “elites”. A second Revolution is not beyond reach! This vile corruption demands harsh corrections! Thomas Jefferson once said, “It is not the laws in this country that insures civility, it is the ‘sureness’ of them” Any future thoughts or attempts at what has gone on, must be deterred and thwarted by the knowledge that it won’t go well for the perpetrators!

    Next, but not least, award the ‘Medal Of Freedom’ to Mr. Ed Snowden, Mr. William Binney, Mr. Julius Assange, Admiral Mike Rogers and posthumously to Seth Rich for pledging their Lives, their Fortunes and their Sacred Honor to make sure my Country endures and remains FREE!

    GOD Bless You Mr. President!

    May he continue to guide and protect you!

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  12. CF says:

    Just a ruse so they can “delete” collected info that they do not want anyone to know they have? Then they can say “oops, we no longer have that info. It was deleted when we abandoned the program.”


  13. Skyking239 says:

    So now President Trump is in office and the deep state wants to turn off the very spying same spy vehicle used to spy on hm and his campaign. Suppose a FISA warrent is filed against Crazy Bernie for his history of conspiring with know Communists e.g. Soviet Union, Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela. So now according to the DNC and the leftists deep state it is perfectly okay to have American intelligence organizations spy on your opponent as long as the FISA court approves it…now the shoe is on the other foot. Shut that thing down we wouldn’t want Trump’s people to unmask Bernie’s undercover commies.


  14. Bob fornly says:

    How do you spell Gestapo ? : NSA FBI CIA DNI


  15. Gene Ralno says:

    Kinda’ reminds me of Canada’s Long Gun Registry and Maryland’s Ballistic Fingerprint Project. We used to call those things “make work” projects.


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