Syria – It Doesn’t Matter Who Used The Chemical Weapons, The Issue is Extremism and Stability…

There is a predictable disconnect amid political followers who have not paid close attention to the direct Mid-East visitors to the Donald Trump White House regarding the origin of the chemical weapons use in Syria.

Focusing on who used chemical weapons is a moot point in the larger issue of the Syrian conflict. It doesn’t matter whether ISIS “rebels” deployed them or whether Bashir Assad used them against the “rebels” when contemplating President Trump’s response to stop using them. The victims are Syrians. The regional alliance members don’t care who used them. The message is to stop.

We could make a solid argument that either interested party: Bashir Assad or “the rebels” (al-Qaeda, ISIS, al-Nusra et al) had motive and opportunity to use chemical weapons.

We’ve written for several years about the manipulative intentions of both sides, all sides, in the Syrian conflict. We’ve written about President Obama’s policies toward Syria and how his administration armed and equipped all elements; gaining nothing except a horrific death toll and chaotic civil war as an outcome.

We’ve provided lengthy and cited research on arms into Syria from Obama, Clinton and Kerry. The Benghazi Brief outlined Man-Pads and chemical weapons delivered to Syria as an outcome of the collapse within Libya.  We’ve outlined the Libyan weapons caches that became the Jihadist market/yard-sale. We’ve also documented weapons deliveries directly from the State Department using actual recorded audio admissions of Secretary Kerry to his Syrian benefactors.

Additionally, no-one questions whether Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, Assad’s BFF, delivered stock piles of his own chemical weapons to Syria, because it was well documented.  Both Bashir Assad and Saddam Hussein previously used chemical weapons.   Historically Hussein used Chemical Weapons to kill up to 300,000 Kurds in Northern Iraq.

None of this is in doubt.

To argue if Assad used chemical weapons again last week is really an irrelevant issue when you stop and think about Bashir Assad’s political position in 2017.

2012 “NO ISLAM WITHOUT JIHAD” – members of the Free Syrian Army. Abu Khuder and his men fight for al-Qaida. They call themselves the ghuraba’a, or “strangers”, after a famous jihadi poem celebrating Osama bin Laden’s time with his followers in the Afghan mountains, and they are one of a number of jihadi organisations establishing a foothold in the east of the country now that the conflict in Syria has stretched well into its second bloody year.

They try to hide their presence. “Some people are worried about carrying the [black] flags,” said Abu Khuder. “They fear America will come and fight us. So we fight in secret. Why give Bashar and the west a pretext?” But their existence is common knowledge in Mohassen. Even passers-by joke with the men about car bombs and IEDs.

Which brings us to one of the issues everyone in media overlook: Assad’s 2017 motive NOT TO remove ISIS with any excessive urgency.

Currently there are two sides in the six year Syrian civil war: Assad and “the rebels”.

If you take out ISIS (‘the rebels’), you are left with Assad – a terrorist state. If you take out Assad you are left with ISIS – a terrorist state. The regional goal is to eliminate extremism. Both sides of the current Syrian coin are extremist.

If the bank told you they were repossessing your home just as soon as you finished the kitchen remodel, how quickly would you work in remodeling the kitchen.

Similarly, by actions and deeds the international community, and the regional community, have essentially told Assad he must step down from power as soon as he eliminates ISIS. Do you see any grand motivation for Assad to remove ISIS in that equation? This is the basis for the quagmire. Syria is FUBAR.

Syria is FUBAR and ordinary Syrians are being destroyed between the pendulum. Syria is FUBAR and despite the Russian and Iranian propaganda to the contrary, Bashir Assad is a terrorist and a dictator. Bashir Assad is to 2017 Syria what 1980’s Kaddaffi was to Libya.

Take ISIS, al-Nusra and al-Qaeda out of the equation, which is almost impossible because those affiliates are people -tens of thousands of people- and you still have terrorist Bashir Assad and terrorist group Hezbollah and the terrorist network of the Muslim Brotherhood. Syria is FUBAR because it is full of violent extremists.

Don’t kid yourself into believing that Bashir Assad is some grand magnanimous figure just because he is currently killing Sunni extremists (ISIS). Take away the “extremists” from the equation and Assad kills Sunni moderates. Either way you look at Syria one extremist element ends up killing ordinary Syrians. Syria is FUBAR.

Why haven’t you heard of a central political figure in opposition to Assad?

Because he kills them all, and their families, and the friends of the families; and the villages of the friends and families of anyone who would threaten his regime. Assad protects Assad, and sometimes as an extension of his own self-preservation he protects others; but Assad is always protecting Assad first and foremost.

It’s 2017!

Kaddaffi, Hosni Mubarak, Abdullah Salah, and Ben Ali. “The Arab Spring Dictators”

The Zoo’s Big Cat cages have been opened for more than seven years.

There’s no going back to the time of Zookeepers Hussein (Iraq), Bin Ali (Tunisia), Mubarak (Egypt), Kaddaffi (Libya) and Abdullah Salah (Yemen), being able to contain the rabid cats.

The congealed blood cannot be put back into the tube.

Similarly, it doesn’t matter who used the chemical weapons in Syria or where they came from, it’s all extremism. Can you fathom a scenario where Assad could ever be able to lead a united Syrian people?

Regardless of the Syrian outcome, regardless of Assad’s victory over “the rebels”, the congealed Syrian blood will not go back into the tube. He’s done; Assad has lost the majority of his own people.

The entire region understands this; Assad has no allies in proximity. Assad is the only Zookeeper remaining amid a land that has moved away from Zoo-keeping. It’s only Assad, Russia and Iran who are trying to deny the reality of the inevitable.

Assad is now the problem for the neighborhood.

This reality is why the 2017 exhausted Arab Coalition, and more importantly their majority populations, have called for changes in the views of western political leaders away from historic categories of factional segments (and elements of tribalism), and pleaded within Western voices to focus on “all extremism”.

“Extremism” in all it’s forms is now the focus of the region. Assad is viewed as part of the extremism. This is why it really doesn’t matter whether or not Assad carried out the chemical weapons attacks, or if the attack was a ‘false flag’ by “the rebels” to get rid of Assad.

President Trump launched a missile strike to send a message to all Syrians that use of chemical weapons will not be permitted. In the aftermath, Assad promised to fight ISIS harder.

Yeah, sure. And Assad’s motivated to do that because?….

Bashir Assad is an eight-track terrorist trying to convince the international community he’s a CD-player.  No-one in the region accepts him any longer.  The mid-east has moved forward; the world, except Assad’s Syria, is now digital.

Assad hides behind the secular guise of protecting minority Christians to project an useful optic to the West.  Meanwhile, Jordan’s King Abdullah II provides refuge to more Syrian Christians amid a refugee population nearing 3 million.

A conveniently overlooked reality is there are more Syrian secular refugees currently protected by King Abdullah than exist in Syria.  Why is that?

The true secular leaders providing minority religious protections both visited the White House at the same time as the chemical attack.  It is not coincidental that both al-Sisi and King Abdullah were the first voices to rise in support of President Trump’s response.

Jordan’s King Abdullah was in Washington DC, during the exact timeline of President Trump considering a response.  The direct and consequential subject matter expert on the entire Syrian conflict just happened to be in the Oval Office at the exact time the chemical attack took place.

Don’t you think President Trump was immediately given solid counsel by Abdullah on the reality of the landscape?

No-one in western media has been paying attention to, let alone assembling, all the dots from direct direct talks that have been taking place between President Trump and the Regional Partners.

The serious discussions have been done quietly and deliberately.

♦ Immediately following his inauguration, President Trump spoke to Saudi Arabia’s King Salman and gained his ideological and financial support for building a safe zone for Syrian’s as they rebuild.

♦ A week later, President Trump spoke at length to Egypt’s Fattah al-Sisi about their efforts.

♦ At the beginning of February – King Abdullah III of Jordan traveled to Washington to meet with Vice-President Mike Pence and discuss aide and assistance for regional security. Previously, in November 2016, King Abdullah spoke to President-elect Trump

♦ A week later – Benjamin Netanyahu arrived in Washington DC for a very warm and optimistic meeting with President Trump for talks on regional security.

♦ At the beginning of March – Egyptian foreign minister Sameh Shoukry visited Washington, met with members of Congress and held a long discussion with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson,

♦ Mid-March Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas met with an envoy from President Trump and told him that a peace deal is possible under the new president.

♦ Last Week (Monday) – Egypt’s President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi came to the White House for an official state visit, and a very warm greeting by President Trump.

♦ Last Week (Wednesday) – Jordan’s King Abdullah II follows al-Sisi with a visit to the White House and receives another very warm greeting by the U.S. President

Now pay attention to Secretary Tillerson:

Overall, the situation in Syria is one where our approach today and our policy today is, first, to defeat ISIS. By defeating ISIS we remove one of the disruptive elements in Syria that exists today.

That begins to clarify for us opposition forces and regime forces. In working with the coalition — as you know, there is a large coalition of international players and allies who are involved in the future resolution in Syria.

So it’s to defeat ISIS; it’s to begin to stabilize areas of Syria, stabilize areas in the south of Syria, stabilize areas around Raqqa through ceasefire agreements between the Syrian regime forces and opposition forces. Stabilize those areas; begin to restore some normalcy to them. Restore them to local governance — and there are local leaders who are ready to return, some who have left as refugees — they’re ready to return to govern these areas.

Use local forces that will be part of the liberation effort to develop the local security forces — law enforcement, police force. And then use other forces to create outer perimeters of security so that areas like Raqqa, areas in the south can begin to provide a secure environment so refugees can begin to go home and begin the rebuilding process.

In the midst of that, through the Geneva Process, we will start a political process to resolve Syria’s future in terms of its governance structure, and that ultimately, in our view, will lead to a resolution of Bashar al-Assad’s departure.

~ Secretary Tillerson during Air-Strike Debrief

See the plan?

That is the “hope” this young man describes.

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309 Responses to Syria – It Doesn’t Matter Who Used The Chemical Weapons, The Issue is Extremism and Stability…

  1. Gerry says:

    The upside of the attack is the USA get’s its mojo back. The downside is that DJT is now in consonance with MCCaine,Graham, Schimer and Pelosi. I hope this is not a slippery slope in becoming a NeoCon or a Globalist.


  2. Watcher says:

    After reading the Benghazi brief again and researching the internet. Some new thoughts.

    I thought that ambassador Stevens murder was because he shipped the weapons to the good Syrian rebels and the bad rebels had to fight them at the ship docks for them.

    Now I believe that Stevens may have advised McCain that the vetted good rebels were indeed isis, aq, or mb take your pick and McCain told them. Stevens and McCain met before his death.

    Was he killed for that reason? And who tipped them he would be in Benghazi at that time?
    McCain, Zinger, Mcmuff, were all in for the bad rebels. And McCain likes to talk.

    The zero, hildabeast, swifty, cia, Libya to Syria gun running resulted in untold death.

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  3. bertdilbert says:

    I do not think American solutions from American minds work trying to adapt solutions to the Muslim world. It is like a con artist taking advantage of an honest person for the simple reason that it never enters the honest persons mind that somebody would do something like that.

    The ME was much cheaper when we just let the dictators run around and do their thing with their people. Now it is turning into an endless money pit.

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    • TheMachine says:

      I am not interested in keeping us in the Middle East as well. Border it off and let it kill itself. This is why I was against the action taken by Trump on Syria. For people that want to call everyone troll because they disagree with Trump or Sundance (especially when it is on a single issue)… get a grip. For people that are pledging to leave Trump because of a single issue like this… get a grip.

      Just reading headlines on other articles across the internet, I love to see that regulations or lessening, a solid Supreme Court judge was nominated, economy (not just wall street) has exploded, many of Obama’s holdovers have been escorted out the door, illegal border crossing has dropped significantly and illegal immigrants who have committed additional crimes are being rounded up.

      In my 50 years of life, I have never seen a single politician keep any promise other than a promise to raise my taxes ~ I live on West Coast. The amount of promises Trump has kept in his first 90 days has exceeded what most presidents have kept in 4-8 years of service. The fact that he has been banging his head against the wall of the UniParty makes it even more amazing.


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  4. cozette says:

    Syria is our business. Syrian refugees are invading Europe. When Trump tried to cut down on the number of refugees we take in courts demanded he take more. The problem needs to be resolved.


  5. Keln says:

    Bottom line is this: 8 years (or maybe 2 decades) of terrible foreign policy, especially with respect to the Middle East, has created a terrible mess in the region. There are no simple solutions, and certainly none that involve sitting on the sidelines and “not getting involved”. We’ve been involved. We’ve been involved a lot.

    At this point, with US fingerprints all over so much of it, we almost have a moral duty to at least help clean up the mess. No, we the People for the most part did not create the mess. Nor did President Trump. But to take the Rand Paul route and go turtle up at home and just leave the conflagration to burn on its own is not only reckless and irresponsible, it is in the long term dangerous for us.

    It is not in our own national security interests to let things end up as they may. If extremism wins out in the region, we will be faced with a real, dangerous situation and the US itself will be it’s #1 target.

    Blame President Trump’s predecessors and the many fools that either controlled or served them. The important thing going forward here is for the US to take a leading role in assisting those entities within the region itself in containing and putting out the fire of extremism. As SD said, the genie is out of the bottle. There’s no putting it back in. You can only now surround it, harass it, then finally snuff it out.

    Call it regime change and nation building if you like. Those are buzzwords that are meaningless when they aren’t given context. The context here is nothing like the invasion of Iraq or what happened in Libya. I’d been hoping for a while now that Assad, with the aid of Russia, would wipe out ISIS, but it’s been a game of back and forth too long, and there really is no longer any excuse for his reluctance.

    President Trump gave him a smack upside the head with the airbase attack. What happens next depends on his immediate response, but make no mistake; President Trump is not going to just let it go anymore. He is not Obama. He didn’t start this thing, but he will finish it. He promised to end ISIS. That is what he is going to do. So don’t complain about how he does it.

    And for Pete’s sake, don’t use the reactions of people like McCain or Graham to gauge whether or not what Trump does is good or bad. Those two imbeciles are meaningless. Ignore them and their ramblings.

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    • missmarple2 says:

      This is an excellent comment. I agree with your assessment.

      It will be difficult for President Trump to accomplish because of the backseat drivers in Congress,the Never Trump coalition, the Left, and other parties who are interested in things profiting from war and division.

      I think he can do it. He will be our greatest president.

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    • graphiclucidity says:

      2003 – We broke it. We bought it.


  6. graphiclucidity says:

    Then it’s a good thing the president and his team seem to be, by all indications, focused and committed to joining a regional coalition to destroy ISIS, al Qaeda, and their various associates, first and foremost, and then worry about the Assad-Syria bridge when we cross it.

    I’ve long since stopped watching any MSM other than FOX/FOXBiz a few hours a day when needed, and feel much better for it. Most of the time I’m thinking “What utter horsesh*t!” when I am watching, which seems to be somewhat therapeutic.

    Some silent thought with slight meditation seems to warm the soul too.
    Nothing Yoga-like, mind you, just a little depressurization out of the deep sea of lies that crush us.



    • graphiclucidity says:

      That was a reply to one of darthulu’s posts. Either the post disappeared or the system had a hiccup. Sorry for any confusion at what I’m saying above.


  7. Monica Dean says:

    I am pleased with president Trump’s approach to the conflict in Syria in seeking counsel from people who understand what is going on in the region. I also admire his compassion towards the victims of chemical attacks, and the fact that he targeted chemical stockpiles, rather than people. This minimalist approach is a good beginning, low-key, but sends a powerful message around the world.


  8. RC says:

    Sundance provides a rationale for the President’s, seemingly emotional, decision to bomb a Syrian military airfield that “may-or-may-not” have been the launching pad of a mysterious gas attack, variously alleged to be Sarin-Chlorine-Carbon Monoxide (we still have no toxicological report).

    Since the perpetrators of the gas attack are unknown — “it doesn’t matter who used chemicals” — the rationale morphs into an argument that President Assad of Syria — who is fighting diverse thugs armed by the US, Turkey, Wahabi-controled Saudi Arabia and the Arab Emirates,– is the real reason why Syria is in turmoil because Assad has no internal legitimacy and support.

    Actually, there is plenty of evidence that President Assad has the support of many, many Syrians. He is a national leader with very few financial resources and very few international friends, yet his poorly paid army of Syrians and his Syrian population of Alawis, Shias, Sunnis, Christians and Kurds maintain as calm a day-to-day life as possible despite daily marketplace bombings and wanton knifings by internationally financed thugs. Were this otherwise, President Assad would have been long gone.

    Back in the early 1960s, the NYT and the Kennedy administration made the same argument about South Vietnam’s President Diem. Supposedly, there were creditable South Vietnamese leaders who would could reconcile warring local rebel factions and realize internal peace. So the CIA organized a coup to kill Diem and and the US installed a succession of North Vietnamese double-agents. Ten years later — with 50,000 US dead — a betrayed South Vietnam fell to the North Vietnamese and their proxies the Viet Cong, who gleefully informed us that the only time they were losing was during the Diem years.

    We can only pray that further rebel provocations will not project President Trump into Syrian regime change.

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    • Ip Siscr says:

      I don’t think an analogy can be made with Diem. He was in mo way like Assad.

      Also, to a remark in the main post, Assad may act “extremely” but it does not seem to be kind of extremism od the jihadis. Their goal is global domination. Assad’s goal is control of Syria for the oligarchy that supports him (even Augustus Caesar did not act without constraints) and traditional real politique in the ME. Where has been the American interest in any of the last 2 decades of ME turmoil ?

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    • graphiclucidity says:

      If Assad did not have the Russian military backing him he would have lost this war a few years ago.

      If you want to bring up Vietnam as an analogy then I’d proffer that in this conflict Syria is South Vietnam, Assad is Diem, Russia is the USA, and Putin is LBJ.

      Trump is not Ho Chi Min.

      Our president has to see that Russia isn’t in the best position right now because of their decisions.

      Our current position seems to be as a buffer in the middle of Middle East trying to help Iraq, Turkey. Western Syria keep ISIS in a box and, hopefully, be able to evict them from all of their remaining enclaves.

      Playing the one time referee issuing a ruling on the field over the chemical weapons doesn’t necessarily mean to me that the next play is for us to full on invade Syria or bomb Damascus until Assad is exiled or killed.

      Trump is smart enough to understand that taking Assad out right now would be the worst result for everyone except the terrorists.

      We will keep going full tilt against ISIS and then see what develops within Syria.

      President Trump wants an eventual peace, in the Middle East, I truly believe this.
      He wants to be remembered as making the deal of the century.

      Let’s all hope he gets us there.

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      • graphiclucidity says:

        *Eastern Syria ^^^


      • USMCLt says:

        Good analysis! We here in the US love to pontificate about “human rights” in other countries. And yet our lovely federal or feral government spies on her citizens’ every move, picks winners and losers in the marketplace and uses it’s IRS as a political weapon. I can remember a time when Assad was admired as a western leaning ME leader, much like Saddam Hussein. What happened…Why the change in narrative? Assad inherited his position and quickly realized that his country was filled to the brim with crazy, insane people. Is Assad an nice, God fearing man? No, he is a Muslim, an Alawite Muslim, which means that he cannot be trusted any more than any other Muslim. Make no mistake, neither King Abdullah nor General el-Sisi is a saint either. We helped take out Gaddafi, and look how that turned out. I truly believe that Putin is the more pragmatic leader in this entire quagmire.

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      • nadadhimmi says:

        I agree with your analysis


    • Prisoner says:

      The author of this article uses sophistry in an attempt to justify attacking someone that probably is not guilty of the atrocity. It’s a surprise that the author shows a sudden lack of principle. It’s a surprise that most readers are willing to accept his argument.

      Liked by 5 people

      • nadadhimmi says:

        I agree with the Authors assessment that Arabs in general are getting fed up with this extremism. They came to the conclusion rather later than the Ukranians that realized in 2 months the Nazi’s were no great Liberators from the horrors of Stalin. Trump has an opportunity to become the Great Grandfather of the Arabs here by uniting them against ‘extremism’. al sisi and Abdullah see the opportunity I think. As far as WHO actually used Nerve Gas, it really doesn’t matter. Both sides could and would. It’s important that the reality of using WMD is excessive and will get you punished. It’s the start of restoring sanity.


      • Kay Dames says:

        Unfortunately I can’t even see any sophistry. It matters very much which group is responsible and I don’t think the writer makes a cogent argument. Trump rushed to judgment. Let’s hope he employs scepticism before authorising more military engagement that strengthens Islamic extremists.


        • V.Lombardi says:

          Cogent is a good word to use here. Yet so many of the smart people reading this site are persuaded by the writer’s clear intent to divert.


      • Cb says:

        I agree completely!


        • V.Lombardi says:

          Lots of the people that are praising Trump’s action did not want him to win, want him to fail, and want him to lose in 2020. I won’t join that club.


    • paljoey says:

      Excellent post, RC!


  9. Big fan CTH, just going to put this out here. Trump promised no wars. I think that includes cruise missiles and special forces. That was a campaign promise. With all due respect that is / was expected – America First. Our children, our fighters, our jobs, our homes, our TAXES, our America of all colors first. Enough with fighting muslims or sending our troopers to be killed or maimed by them. Cruise missiles bring DJT less close to his promises and me saying so doesn’t make Richard Spencer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  10. Ziiggii says:

    Hear hear!

    I jerked my knee but with the help of others counsel I was able to see this reality. No matter who did the deed – daddy stepped in to say STOP!

    Liked by 11 people

  11. Left_at_Dunkirk says:

    I started lurking at the Treehouse last year and found Sundance and Co. to be spot on in so many areas. The Middle East has confounded the best minds on earth for a long time, so I’d say that this analysis is as good as any out there and probably better. I did two tours in Iraq and read extensively on the region. A good primer on the political landscape is “A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East” by David Fromkin. It covers the breakup of the Ottoman Empire after WWI and how the political lines were drawn. Reading it will give you a pretty good idea as to why the region needs its’ “Big Cats.” Remember, the US was bogged down in Iraq for several years until GEN Petraeus started paying the Sunni tribes to join our effort and rat out the jihad-is in their midst. Bottom line: it takes BOLD thinking to get results in the region, and we have a BOLD thinker in PDJT.
    In Liberty,

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  12. Monadnock says:

    I’ve had to sit and think about this whole thing just a bit.

    The bottom line for me is that the use of WMD’s must be deterred. From this perspective, it doesn’t matter who used them. What matters is that those who possess the means must be forced to pause and consider the potential blowback if they cross that hypothetical red line.

    Deterrence in this case involved giving the world a taste of an American CINC who WILL make the tough calls, something that has been sorely needed after the last 8 years of President Mommy Pants. Deterrence in the case of North Korea might take a different form, like reminding China just how important access to our marketplace is to their financial stability. Lean hard enough, show you mean business on the economic front, and we might wake to a day where that NK toad is gone.

    Sometimes good needs to reach out and touch evil, and smite the everloving hell out of it. It doesn’t automatically mean we have to send troops; recall how pliant Kadaffy(duck) became after Reagan sent an air sortie into Libya? No troops, just a high explosive telegram from the US military. “We can get YOU if we so desire. Time to play nice with others, or else.”

    The cruise missile strike accomplished this, along with a number of other positive effects that I’ve not explored here. See it for what it is, nothing more.

    And enjoy watching our President continue to set new standards of campaign-promise-keeping, some of which fellow CTHer TheMachine notes above.

    It’s never counterproductive to demonstrate the will to act, to make that tough call.

    The opposite invites disaster:

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  13. David R. Graham says:

    Sundance, strong concur: Fixing Syria:


  14. litlbit2 says:

    With less than a hundred days in with President Trump. After reading the article, trying to get a handle on what may lie ahead. It is a fact that the important leaders of the area and President Trump have stepped up intense constructive conversations. This is a different process this time.

    Going forward much patience must be used as the few trusted sources, Sundance included remove the chaff from the hype and agenda of those wanting war over a peaceful solution.

    President Trump is building a very large force of leaders that imho, must include Putin’s Russia. I truly believe PUTIN a very smart man does not want a war. To remove terrorism so his people can enjoy life, hiding in bomb shelters or living in fear of terrorist attacks is not what real human leaders allow to happen to their countries or folks.

    Therefore, I pray and wait for the ultimate victory of a peaceful life in Syria, all the Middle East, as Russia, China, USA are the hope of all working together. What a force for good, what a thought.

    God Bless the peaceful solution.

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  15. missmarple2 says:

    I profoundly disagree with you.

    Tillerson is not a Bushie, it wasn’t a mistake, and as far as I am concerned, you are not a Trump supporter.

    Go over to Prison Planet and rant. I am not buying your argument.

    I support the President because he has more information than you have, and I trust him.

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  16. JustSomeInputFromAz says:

    “I’m not jumping ship but I am looking at the railing.”

    Gee that’s a good line but didn’t you use the same line a few hours ago?


  17. truthseekerr says:

    I hear ya. We’ll see how it pans out. Pray for him.

    Liked by 1 person

  18. tony5460 says:

    Assad is a dictator, but I am not sure he is an “extremist”. We cannot afford to do a another “country building”. Unfortunately, Assad is the best bet for the world to defeat ISIS in Syria. His government has been the last line of defense to the extremist. If the US tries to overthrow or weaken Syria government, the ISIS is going to take control.

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    • paljoey says:

      Agree with you, Tony. Walid Shoebat, a former Lebanese terrorist, has excellent commentary on his website re: Trump’s Syria fiasco:
      Trump Betrays His Supporters And Syria’s Christians, Goes All In To Support Islamic Terrorists, The Neocon Swamp, And Its Evil Agenda:

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    • ogzyblog says:

      The Arabs are generally ungovernable. Tribes with flags, etc.

      An old Arab saying:
      Arabs are either at your throat – or at your feet.

      IMO, Sundances description of a long range plan to create safe areas won’t work without a significant amount of input from non-Arab/non-Muslim armies and personnel. This is a drain on those who supply same.

      As far as Israel and ‘peace’ with its neighbors, this will not happen because the neighbors do not want peace, they want submission to Islam. In Israel’s case, they want nothing less than for Israel to be destroyed. Unless, of course, I have missed something here, perhaps that Muslims are becoming less religious, less fanatical. But I don’t see any evidence of that yet.

      Genghis Khan said:
      There is peace when your enemies are dead.

      The West has forgotten this truth. In the modern world, this idea is considered too indelicate. It is true nonetheless.

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    • Prisoner says:

      Syria has endured incredible hardships from being attacked by ISIS. While the US allowed ISIS to run free, Russia and Syria drew a line and said no more. ISIS is, or was, being wiped out. That is being interrupted, supposedly, in order to remove extremism? Trump said several times in the campaign he wants to let Syria and Russia handle that situation. “Sundance” is using the well earned trust he gained to slip in a silly argument. Readers will be more cautious in the future.

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  19. ivehadit says:

    Just read that our armored vehicles are moving into Syria from Jordan…to get the safe zones underway.(paraphrasing) Which would not happen without Jordan’s help.
    Freedom Alliance!

    One thing that is unspoken or missed that’s making Donald’s negotiations successful is this: He is beholden to no one. Hence presidents of other countries are more likely to trust him. He speaks from his point of interest and no one else’s. I don’t think the value of this should be overlooked. It is a thread woven through so much of this presidency.

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  20. Dan says:

    I’m curious the other day CTH posted a great post on the POTUS not getting dragged into the Syria conflict.

    I’m not gonna arm chair quarterback the POTUS. However I don’t trust the Pentagon to include Gen Mattis or any of the retired or current generals.

    They will always opt for war / conflict and when we mention the swamp we have to keep in mind the military industrial complex that drives our military leaders through lobbying and fat cat post retirement jobs.

    To cite my work, I am the refernce 20 yrs retired ( opted for retirement ) multiple combat tours and if the level of corruption is as bad at the division and brigade levels as it is in the Upper echelons of the DoD. Then there are just as bad of actors who stand to loose millions of dollars without futhering lucrative contracts due to conflict.

    Not criticizing the POTUS but I am calling out CTH to repost the counter argument from 3-4 days ago.

    We don’t need another conflict.

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  21. missmarple2 says:

    Anyone whouses “Zionist spoise Jared” in a comment is not a Trump supporter.

    You are a troll.]


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  22. Sunshine says:

    This analysis is in line with Trump, the strategist: it was all Kabuki theater:

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    • Jedi9 says:

      Yeah I posted this earlier on this thread, but apparently there was some editing going on.


      • Sunshine says:

        Sorry. I didn’t want to copy but I also didn’t want to go all the way back in the comments.
        I’m in backup information overload.
        I, just like many, questioned Trump’s motive for the attack. As Trump fans, we seek to credit him for his visionary outlook.
        I think the video says it all: Trump, the brilliant strategist.

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        • Jedi9 says:

          No no, I really understand, as some comments and posting of such videos were removed by the moderators sometime before your posting appear, hence the fact that Sundance had to remind everyone about rules and guidelines in subsequent thread post.


        • Jedi9 says:

          Also as far as being brilliant, I am not so sure as the jury is still out on that claim, the dividends of such gambles is yet to payoff, so a wait and see approach is probably where I am at with all of this. The earlier thread just exploded with some insulting others here on this site for having differing views and opinions, so I suspect that is one reason the moderators stepped in. Nevertheless, it is disappointing to see some of my comments get removed for no reason other than I was caught in the net at the time when such editing was taking place about 12 hours+ ago.

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    • graphiclucidity says:

      Very well done and thought provoking.


    • Sounds like Trump responded to the advice of his key strategist: Ivanka!

      Liked by 1 person

    • mjazzguitar says:

      The Syrian girl says that she wants the Syrian children to play and go to school.
      Has anyone seen how the Syrian boys “play” when they get to school in the Western countries?

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  23. missmarple2 says:

    Sorry for the typos. I was extremely upset.

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  24. Tadpole says:

    The argument is that this will be a one-off strike just to “send a message.” And it matters enormously what side is blamed for the chemical attack. Trump has no doubt it was Assad. Do you really think he is going to be interested in testing this assumption now that he has reacted so decisively?

    But it is definitely not going to stop there. Whether they actually did a false flag attack or not, now that the ISIS and related rebels have seen what effect gases and dying children on a video has on the POTUS, they will see to it that many many more such “attacks” happen. Anything that will help bring down Assad is fine with them. A few extra “martyrs” for the cause is no problem. All subsequent chemical attacks will be put down to Assad, and the story will be “look, he is defying us, we must finish him off.” Trump’s “lesson” will merely guarantee many more dead from chemical attacks. The screams from the media and most of the media-fed public will be clamouring for a take-down of Assad. In this way ISIS (which Trump swore to eliminate) will take over Syria, as they have Libya. This will result in the deaths of thousands of Syrian Christians and other minorities. But Syria going to ISIS will not be acceptable to Russia who will now have to fight for their lives, or be totally surrounded by Muslim regimes.

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  25. Sandra-VA says:

    Don’t be ridiculous. Obama is the one that allied with ISIS – even training and arming them.

    If you think this about President Trump, then you have not followed him on the campaign trail.

    He did not kill anyone. He launched tomahawks at an airbase from whence chemical weapons were launched upon civilians. He took out infrastructure, not people.

    A message was sent. It has been heard.

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  26. It is amazing that we can talk so calmly about gassing people..Is it because America has never faced anything as horrible as this? How would we react if this happened in this country..Would we like others in other countries to say..Who cares..that’s their problem..

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  27. I found this article and the POTUS.. plan is starting to make sense and come together in my mind..He hit the air base..Russia could have been involved..Russia says..we do not unconditionally support Assad..Tillerson..POTUS..negotiate..Russia you must do something about Assad..the conversation is firm.

    .So the plan is to get Russia to take out Assad once they get rid of ISIS.. joint effort of coalition and Russia..Good job POTUS.


  28. JustSomeInputFromAz says:

    Hmmm, “jack203”: “hard core Zionist”?


  29. Gabriel says:

    So if all this is true, why is Assad being allowed to keep his chemical weapons stockpile that he supposedly has ?


  30. David says:

    I am Israeli and I read an interesting analysis in the second largest News Website in Israel.
    Here is some translation : A bang and that’s it. Trump will not be tempted to go into a wide operation in Syria. If you expect to see American Trumps at Damescus you are likely to be disappointed. The American President achieved with one offensive act more than Obama achieved in 6 years but before the Syrians Trump is committed for his own American people first.
    Trump’s 2 1/2 min announcement was carefully crafted and worth paying attention to.
    “This evening I ordered a pinpointed strike” ( I.E. at this point I am not intending of expanding this operation) , The United Staes has a vital national security interest in preventing the spread of chemical weapons” (I.E. I didn’t abandon my main agenda of America First). The refugee crisis unstablizing the area and threatens the USA and its allies.” (I.E. I am bombing a Syrian base but have in mind the safety and security of American citizens. ).
    No one knows where this 6 years of chaos and bloody war will end. Not even Trump.
    In this explosive and bloody situation patience and alertness is needed.

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  31. graphiclucidity says:

    I don’t know about any of you but I’m giving President Trump the benefit of the doubt.

    I watched a man, whom I never really had any great affection for before 2015, fight for the American people, like no other man, even Reagan, in my lifetime.

    I’ve watched this man tell like it is to everyone of the liars and propagandaists who have been mind-raping us for decades.

    I’ve seen him take the slings and arrows and the smears and slanders from the DNC, GOPe, MSM, Progressives, Alt-Left, Hollyweird, Globalists, Bushes, Obamas, and Clintons for almost two years now.

    I’ve been almost broken when I watched this man go down on the mat, hard, and hurt with him all the way down.

    I’ve felt the overwhelming satisfaction and pride when that same man stood himself up and punched his way back to a KO in the 12th.

    Trump has been lied on, spied on, blamed and shamed, underestimated and ridiculed.
    He fought through all of that for us, and led us, as the leader he truly is.

    Then he won it all, when the vast majority of the elite said it could never be done, he’d never be President.

    Big league.

    And now, in the most important decision of his young presidency, he needs our trust and support more than ever.

    President Trump is asking all of us who supported him through it all to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    You’re either going to be there for him or you’re not.
    It’s up to you.

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  32. paris23 says:

    Rumor has it that today the US has invaded Syria with ground troops, entering through Jordan. I was much happier last week when the administration announced they would not push for regime change. Many Syrian people do support Assad and would like the US to respect their national sovereignty and allow them to choose who will lead their country. If we take out ISIS and help to organize elections (somehow), without taking out Assad, it will all be far less objectionable. Otherwise, it becomes a case of the US overstepping its boundaries and once again assuming the role of global police force, which we have all rejected. My prayer is that Trump’s action allows the Syrian diaspora to return home, where they can live happily within their own culture. If he accomplishes that, without driving more Muslims out of the ME, he will have done something great.

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  33. Mal says:

    I’ve had it with this website, you should stick to domestic policy as you are useless at foreign policy. You never ever ever ever mention isreal in your analysis, this speaks volumes as you, as an intelligent person knows that nothing happens in the middle east without israel being involved. The track record of israel getting the US and Britain to fight it’s wars in beyond question.What’s wrong with you? Are you a christian zionist? I’ve had it with you sundance and with trump, he’s nothing but a slave to jews only israel.

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    • bobguzzardi says:

      “slave to jews only Israel”…. oh my No US citizen has died fighting Israel’s wars. Not one! Israeli Jews fight and die defending their own country. Despite all odds, Israel has survived. A military strong, independent and sovereign Israel is necessary for the safety and security of Jews everywhere. Israel shares our Biblical and Enlightenment values and is fighting the same enemies we are. An alliance with Israel is in the interest of both countries.

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  34. Rob says:

    I’m sorry, but I just don’t get the premise that it doesn’t matter who actually did this.

    If, as the article says, the “message is to stop” — doesn’t that mean it’s vitally important that the message be sent to the correct party?

    If – and let me be clear, I’m saying “if” – it was an anti-Assad faction that committed the gas attack, doesn’t that mean the US played right into its hands by attack Assad as a result? And wouldn’t that serve to **encourage** rather than discourage future attacks?

    Whereas if was Assad who did this, then the US response would tend to have the intended effect.

    So the exact same US response can end up having very different results, depending on who was responsible for the initial attack.

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  35. racerxx says:

    Good analysis SD.

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  36. bobguzzardi says:

    The Left Wing, anti-Trump Daily Beast makes a point. President Trump and Secretary of State has signaled they would not intervene in Syria. Bashar Assad misunderstood that to mean a “blank check”. It wasn’t

    Assad Apparently ‘Gasses’ Civilians Days After Tillerson Hints He Can Stay in Power
    Evidence of a sophisticated chemical weapons attack by the Assad regime suggests the dictator in Damascus thinks he’s now got Trump’s carte blanche to kill as he likes.

    04.04.17 9:59 AM ET


  37. bobguzzardi says:

    sundance offers the most astute analysis I have read. One quibble; it is highly likely, beyond reasonable doubt, that Bashar Assad and the Syrians bombed civilians with sarin gas. The rebels do not have air planes and do not have sarin gas. The rebels have never used gas; the Assad Syrians have.

    Survivors of Syrian attack describe chemical bombs falling from sky
    By Angela Dewan, Kareem Khadder and Holly Yan, CNN
    Updated 11:39 PM ET, Thu April 6, 2017 /

    FTA But many of these are delivered through airstrikes, and no rebel or terrorist group in Syria is believed to have the capacity to carry out aerial bombardments

    A UN investigation in August found that chemical weapons had been used in Syria, both by the national air force and ISIS militants. It found two instances where regime forces had used chlorine as a chemical weapon, and one where ISIS had used mustard gas between 2014 and 2015.

    President Trump enforced President Obama’s Red Line on chemical weapons used against civilians, a war crime as everyone acknowledges, with a limited, targeted response. The Left is complaining; Non-Interventionists/Libertarians and some Trump supporters are complaining; the Russians are complaining how ungrateful President Trump after they colluded with him to get elected; the Bashar Assad are complaining. On the other hand, I don’t think we will see anyone use chemical weapons again. If not the USA, then who? If not now, when? The President was right.


  38. screwauger says:

    In the first edition of this thread, I posted that it “should shut up some of the Leftists on my FB feed.” Three have claimed to have read the post and “perused” all linked articles only to come back to FB and post things such as “followed your advise, read all the material and “muh nothing new.” No come backs after I posted “so you’ve now adopted the David Mamet principle:: “In order for left-wing ideologues to keep espousing their cognitively disconnected talking points they need to pretend they don’t know things.”

    Seems to be the position de jour.


  39. Blade says:

    [ Well I see the comments are back. At least 600 comments were inexplicably nuked mid-yesterday presumably because too many people disagreed with this post, or, too many people were calling others “trolls”. No explanation was given and that means whatever rule was violated may accidentally happen again. Its a shame because there were many long and thoughtful replies that expended great effort that vanished. If the mods permit, I will repeat mine from exactly 24 hours ago. This had 12 likes last time I checked before the nuking. ]

    I highly respect your opinion Sundance, but this is a very disappointing blog entry IMHO. If you simply rewrite the Syria/Assad diatribe and substitute in Saudi/KingYabadabado, then the absurdity of singling out Assad should be clear [ insert photo of President DingleBarry bowing down to his lordship for effect ]. And there are many more kingdoms, I mean democracies, that are quite the same “terrorist dictatorships”. No offense, but this article could easily be written by Lindsey Grahmnesty or Lil Marco as one of their term paper justifications for our removal of this particular “terrorist”.

    In fact this really is quite similar to the strategic rationalization for taking out Saddam during 2002. However, with Hussein at least Bush43 and the neocons had plausible excuses, a violated ceasefire to point to ( forget the WMD nonsense ), the Oil for Food plundering of Iraq by the cronies in the EU and probably here as well, actual tons of partially enriched Uranium and yellowcake stored by the UN, and the attempted assassination of Bush41. Do we have any of those things to marginally justify this grandiose neocon meddling? Trump rightly condemned that fiasco and will make a huge mistake by caving in to the idiotic neocons who sit in their plush taxpayer funded offices pushing around avatars on a fancy model world tabletop, planning out the New World Order. This is what it must have looked like at post-WWI Versailles with the top-hatted erudites carving up the middle east the last time. That worked out well.

    There’s more. In Iraq we had a relatively westernized society that was mostly disconnected from the tentacles of the superpowers USSR/China/USA/Europe, perhaps the most independent one ever. That is NOT what we have in Syria. They are tied closely to Russia and were to the USSR as it is/was a strategic asset to them. We’ve been down this road before with NATO and missiles in Turkey poking the bear and Khrushchev sticking nukes into Cuba in retaliation. Lost in all the lionizing praise of Prince JFK was the fact he had to yank those missiles from Turkey to de-escalate the mess that the neocons of that era caused. How do we walk back this one when you threaten their only warm water port? Or are we to go with the reckless neocon plans of depriving Russia of any ports and literally strangle Russia by any means necessary? That has precedent too with FDR and Japan and oil. Economic warfare causes wars, it doesn’t whip targets into shape.

    The thing that gets me is how we are constantly used as servants and mercenaries by Saudi and all the allegedly civilized Moslem world to fight for their survival and the right to purchase their oil. They got us so wrapped up in knots that during the 1990/1991 Gulf War they actually forced us to be outwardly antisemitic by insultingly and publicly banning Israel from participating in that fake coalition because Saudi and other “pilots” wouldn’t be caught dead breathing the same air as Jews. How did it come to this. This thing in Syria is a patently obvious ploy to carve up Syria for use by the weakling states of Saudi, Jordan and the EU. It is about money and oil and gas. Not dead babies. If it was really about dead babies, or raped and stoned women, or terrorists ( hijacking planes and taking down the WTC and Pentagon ) we would see tomahawks crossing the peninsula en route to Mecca and Medina. The Saudis haven’t even offered to house all the alleged Syrian “refugees” despite having that huge sandbox full of empty space next door. We are like their patsies. Isn’t anybody alive from the 1970’s when the OPEC vermin used economic warfare on us for about a decade and caused chaos here ( not to mention the death of some very cool cars ).

    The only logical solution to me is for Syria to quickly and permanently join the Russian Federation and say Screw all y’all, now what ya gonna do?. This solves everything. Russia gets their permanent ports, Syria gets to survive, both Saudi Arabia and the evil “Jews” cannot touch it, EU can pursue their global warming carbon hoax using windmills rather than pipelines, Russia can mop up the Islamic nutjobs, Assad can be pretend ruler, Graham and McCain and every other neocon can go to hell. Who’s with me?

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    • coldsnap says:

      HUGE LIKE!! (Thank you for reposting, Blade!)

      Your Syria solution is outrageously brilliant!! IMHO

      Blade said:

      The only logical solution to me is for Syria to quickly and permanently join the Russian Federation and say Screw all y’all, now what ya gonna do?. This solves everything. Russia gets their permanent ports, Syria gets to survive, both Saudi Arabia and the evil “Jews” cannot touch it, EU can pursue their global warming carbon hoax using windmills rather than pipelines, Russia can mop up the Islamic nutjobs, Assad can be pretend ruler, Graham and McCain and every other neocon can go to hell. Who’s with me?

      I’m with you!!!

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      • Glenn Stehle says:

        It looks like Goldman Sachs and ExxonMobil rule the roost, and the great American unwashed can go pound sand.

        And anyone who believes ExxonMobil is an “American” company, and not a globalist company, needs to take a look at their annual report:


    • Rob says:

      “The thing that gets me is how we are constantly used as servants and mercenaries by Saudi and all the allegedly civilized Moslem world to fight for their survival and the right to purchase their oil.”

      Excellent point. This is in **their** backyard – let them take care of it. They have more sufficient resources.

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  40. CofB says:

    It is now a few days since the attack on Syria by the US. I have read Sundance’s post carefully along with many of the replies. My initial reaction was dismay. I have little to zero support for any of the Middle East nations and generally feel they should be left to sort themselves out, which will never happen. I am now just sombre as I am left with a feeling that my 100% support for Trump was misplaced. It’s more than just this attack. I am getting the feeling that Trump is surrendering to the establishment in the hope of the popular vote. As someone else, here, has said, “I have not abandoned ship, but I am at the rails”. The next 100 days will be the proof of the pudding.


    • truthseekerr says:

      Trump is showing who the new boss is. I’m not sure who died from the missiles, that is a concern of mine.


      • truthseekerr says:

        ughh 3 of these make me wanna puke


      • Glenn Stehle says:

        If we want to go back that far, I think it was actually Jimmy Carter who fired the first shot in the war on the American working, lower-middle and middle-middle classes.

        Carter invariably gets a free pass, but according to Christian Parenti, it was Carter who started the US down the road to worker perdition, just as it was Carter, with his Carter Doctrine, who was the first to fully militarize the US’s energy policy (for an excellent recounting of this history there’s Andrew Bacevich’s The Limits of Power).

        Here’s how Parenti describes Carter’s “opening salvo” against the American worker:

        After twenty years of continual expansion during the long postwar recovery, profits began to sag in 1966 and continued to decline steadily until 1974, until they reached an average low of around 4.5 percent. The same pattern of a 30 percent plunge in profits was true from Germany to Japan….

        At one level the crisis involved a simple contest between the classes. The share of output that went to profits declined while the share going to everything else, including the social wage, increased. The working-class was too powerful and, from the managment point of view, needed disciplining….

        The crisis of the seventies was finally dealt with in 1979 when Carter appointed Paul Volcker as Chairman of the Federal Reserve; it was the opening salvo of a “new class war.” Late in 1979 Volcker drmatically tightened the money supply by boosting interest rates, thus cutting borrowing power and buying power, and diminishing economic activity in general.

        This monetarist squeeze accelerated when Reagan took office, until interest rates, which had been 7.9 percent in 1979, reached 16.4 percent in 1981. As a direct result, the US economy plunged into its most severe recession since the Great Depression.

        In the eyes of Paul Volcker this was a good thing. For the economic stagnation and low profits of the seventies to be vanquished the American people would have to learn to work harder for less; Reagan’s plan was to cut taxes to the rich, gut welfare, and attack labor. As Volcker told the New York Times: “The standard of living of the average American has to decline… I don’t think you can escape that.”

        In 1981 as the recession was reaching new depths and many in Congress were calling for relief, Volcker again explained the utility of his artificial economic disaster: “in an economy like ours with wages and salaries accounting for two-thirds of all costs, sustaining progress [in price reduction] will need to be reflected in moderation of growth of nominal wages. The general indexes of worker compensation still show relatively little improvement, and prices of many services with high labor content continue to show high rates of increase.”

        The chairman’s goal was labor discipline. The recession — though hard on many businesses, particularly small firms — had not yet achieved its purpose: wages were still rising.

        Not until the behemoth First Illinois Bank collapsed under the wight of its bad loans and Mexico seriuosly threatened a default on its $90 billion foreign debt did Volcker relent and open the Fed’s spigots, easing interest rates and making credit available throughout the economy, thus stimulating economic activity. But according to Harrison and Bluestone, “the deep recession did precisely what it was designed to. With more than ten million people unemployed in 1982 it was impossible for organized labor to maintain wage standards let alone raise them. Reductions in wages ripped from one industry to the next and from the center of the country outward. The real average weekly wage fell more than 8 percent between 1979 and 1982, and failed to recover at all in the next five years. Essentially, with wage growth arrested by unemployment, what growth occurred during the Reagan perious rebounded mostly to the profits side of the capital-labor ledger.

        — CHRISTIAN PARENTI, Lockdown America


  41. Paul Murphy says:

    Nice article and, I think, correct as far as it goes. However, there’s a forest surrounding those trees you mention – specifically:
    1 – there are only two explanations for the initial chemical attack. Either Assad et al did it or the Russian explanation (that they hit a chemical weapon development and repackaging factory thereby setting off secondary explanations releasing the gases and ISIS then took advantage of the dead to score publicity points) is right. Either way, those weapons would eventually have found their way in anti-American use. Hitting the airbase thus sends a message that these weapons will not be tolerated, no matter which side has them or which side uses them. That’s the American role because these things really do represent a clear and present danger to Americans.

    2 – the Russian interest is not in support of Assad, but in continuing the wars between various colors and sorts of Islamic crazies. Remember the Russian federation is surrounded by muslims, many of them deeply hostile and having them kill each other in Syria is safer, cheaper, and more efficient than having to do it in Moscow.

    3 – Notice that American and Russian interests align perfectly on this. Both want “them” killing each other and not “us”. That’s why Trump could act where Obama, who thinks he wants to be the first world Kalif, refused to.


  42. Max says:

    “Focusing on who used chemical weapons is a moot point in the larger issue of the Syrian conflict.”

    After this ignorant statement, there’s really no reason to read anymore of this nonsense.

    The ‘only’ issue is that Syria is in a Civil War, the once stable Government is battling Rebel terrorists determined to create an Islamic Nation.

    So by the US wrongfully attacking Assad and removing his ability to counter these Rebels, it makes matters worse, it empowers the terrorists, decreases stability and endangers the civilian lives ..exactly what caused the massive refugee crisis.

    So use some common sense, Assad has the support of the SAA, Iran, Russia ..Tillerson had just announced the US would no longer seek Assad’s removal ..Assad is winning the war, why would Assad now decide to use sarin gas and demonstrate to the World that he did not honor their International agreement to turn-over all their chemical weapons?

    The only ones that could benefit from the use of sarin gas right now are the Rebels. The UN had investigated past chemical weapon strikes and determined the Rebels have used sarin & mustard gas so these Rebels do have access to sarin gas and every reason to use it right now.


  43. Blade says:

    There is a predictable disconnect amid political followers who have not paid close attention to the direct Mid-East visitors to the Donald Trump White House regarding the origin of the chemical weapons use in Syria.

    Lots of us did pay close attention to the visitors. It is possible that we were all spinning it favorably in our minds that we had the makings of some grand alliance to finally root out ISIS, settle the Palestinian question, and solve the refugee invasion here. But let me boil it down to a simple question. What if all the parties: USA neocon warmongers, EUroweenies, King Yabadabado from Saudi Arabia, King Jordan, King Egypt, and Netanyahu, arrived at this kind of deal: Sure, we’ll do this if you carve up Syria and give us a chunk for pipelines? Is that okay? That is what you should be asking yourself now, before it occurs.

    This would be the ultimate globalist dream scenario and must NEVER be allowed to happen. Not just because it is precisely why we backed anti-neocon anti-globalist Trump, not just because it clearly is provocative and threatens Russia, but because it helps subsidize the EUroweenies global warming hoax. Let them die in the cold with their carbon tax and shuttered nuke and coal plants rather than disguise the failure using stopgap “clean” gas shipped over land they are taking through geopolitical eminent domain. Here’s another interesting question. What are the chances that King Jordan was there to offer to finally slice off TransJordan territory for Palestine as originally planned post World War I ? Or was it the more likely scenario that he was there to block any such possibility? Look, I’m a very optimistic person and dreamed right along with you and the rest in some miraculous solution, but Occam’s razor says otherwise. It says that these middle eastern dictators want something. It looks pretty obvious to me what they are eyeballing.

    I think lots of people are desperate for a win and are thus willing to overlook key geopolitical concerns. The USA uniparty ( neocons and liberals ) and international globalists are bad enough. We have fought them for years, especially the last two. The deep state weaponized intelligence community is another player, previously in the shadows but exposed now and they are onboard. And each of them have Russia on their minds. And now they will enlist these key tinpot ( or maybe that should be goldpot ) dictators and do what? Play a round of Versailles Part Deux. That object they desire is Syria, the gateway to the gateway to Europe. Has no-one realized that slicing Syria up for their financial gain ( not to save babies or refugees ) is not only wrong, but it would be exactly like foreign powers dividing up Hawaii before it was a state, like say before World War II?

    I’m only half joking when I imagine a Syrian invasion and under the fog of war I clearly picture McCain and Graham commandeering an aircraft wearing aviator goggles and white scarfs and kamikaze divebombing on Russian ships at Tartus. And yes, they would be screaming Russia! Russia! Russia!

    [ Captain McQueeg with navigator cabin boy Graham on final approach to a Russian carrier at Tartus. It is unknown if he found the deck this time. ]


  44. Blade says:

    We could make a solid argument that either interested party: Bashir Assad or “the rebels” (al-Qaeda, ISIS, al-Nusra et al) had motive and opportunity to use chemical weapons.

    Of course he had opportunity if the weapons actually exist, that is a meaningless factoid. But you cannot skip over the if part and still be righteous. However no-one can seriously make a case for motive. Even the dumbest dictators around the world don’t make stupid mistakes, and Assad does not appear to be close to being dumb. If anybody over there gets internet and TV it is the Syrian royal palace, so let’s consider what he knows …

    He witnessed not once, but twice our boys making mincemeat of Hussein’s alleged 4th largest army in the world next door in record time and seeing him humiliated and hung by the neck. He saw Muammar Gaddafi lay down and surrender after Iraq 2003 and his later bloody demise at the hands of USA warmongers a decade later. And he saw palettes full of cash sent over to Iran which tells him if he is smart, he just might get rich by playing ball. He watched Trump for the last 2 years plow through his opposition and state often that he will eradicate ISIS and possibly normalize relations with his Putin. Contrary to conspiracy nuts this is good for him, not bad.

    While watching those TV’s he also must have seen countless detailed reports and photographs from in and around Syria over the past 4 years so he clearly had no reason to ever believe anything he did would not be televised and reported around thew world as fast as electrons can travel. So are we really to believe that Assad suspended all logic and reason and woke up one day and said ~yawn~ Maybe I will gas some babies and keep it secret? Mwahahaha!. This is utterly ludicrous. Try as I might, I cannot even think of *any* person on planet Earth who is that dumb. Not even African tinpot dictators. Not even a (D)emocrat.

    Maybe we should construct a timeline backwards from the Syrian strike. Include in there the latest date possible that still allows enough time for required programming to ensure those tomahawks threaded that needle successfully to those airstrips. Now plot the exact time of the alleged gas attack. Where does that fall in the timeline and does it in fact [1] allow time for us to be notified and determine if the attack was real, [2] determine with “high probability” who did the attack, [3] time to convene NSC decide a course of action, [4] time to program the tomahawks for zero failure, [5] wait for optimal tactical opportunity, [6] notify Russia, Gang of 4 and others, [7] and finally launch. That’s a whole lotta stuff done REAL fast. Seriously, this farce is right out of 24 season 2. However, I do think ignoring this fraud is everyone’s best hope who cannot handle the cognitive dissonance of simultaneously supporting our President and facing the reality of deep state corruption possibly running this show despite his best intentions. Alternatively, folks can just say it doesn’t matter. I guess that works.

    Why haven’t you heard of a central political figure in opposition to Assad?

    Sure, this could mean he eliminates his opposition. Could also mean they simply don’t want the job. It is a hereditary thing there now, just like our great moderate allies Saudi and Jordan and other Arab states where there also is no real election possibility. If only Syria was like Iran with its clever secular government that keeps the mad Mullahs completely away from state affairs ( /sarc ) and has free and fair elections giving us wonderful people like hostage-taker AhmaNutJob by 99% margins.

    It is entirely possible that this guy Assad, who I normally couldn’t care less about, is exactly the right person there at the moment. We must consider that possibility while muting out the lying deep state and neocon warmongers. People are always saying that Well, he lets terrorist launch rockets into Tel Aviv. Now which is it? This guy is a dictator with an Iron Fist yet he cannot stop these random attacks? That is a clear sign he is not a strongman dictator ( unless you really think he supports the Israeli attacks, in which case you need to answer why they were not Sarin chem warheads which he allegedly will use on his own people’s babies? ). No, they are uncontrollable factions, but now folks are forced to admit he is not dictator enough, and he needs to be even stronger yet. So we must install a tyrant instead, someone willing to liquidate his ( and his neighbors’ ) opposition.

    If you stop and think about it, Saddam Hussein had a much easier job with just 3 main factions, yet he needed to kill hundreds of thousands ( maybe a million ) to keep his internal control. Syria famously contains many more factions including sizeable amounts of non-portable territorial Christians dating back the apostles. Try as I might, I cannot envision any other Arab or non-Arab Muslim land where this phenomenon can exist. So wile by no means perfect, we must seriously consider this guy may be the best we can do. He is riding the top of the bell curve for multi-ethnic and especially Christian tolerance, and pretty much everybody else are multiple standard deviations distant.


  45. Kaseysmom says:

    What’s the difference between Alawites, Sunni’s & shiites & Druze? assad is alawite. I have no sympathy – they’re all muslims regardless. We need to stay out of it. Rubio has suggested that the Saudis- Sunni advise after Assad is gone. I dont trust them. 9/11 lawsuit, Saudis have threatened to bankrupt our Country if we dont get rid of JASTA. Saudi Vision 2030. They want control of all muslims- “gateway to the world”.


    • Kaseysmom says:

      alawaites are the only sect that believe in another being other than mohammed. That’s why they’re getting ousted. They also celebrate some christian holidays and saints. Still- we need to stay out but we are indebted to Saudi Arabia and US wants that aramco IPO.


    • Kaseysmom says:

      Oh and that huge Aramco IPO that the Saudis are dangling in front of USA & UK ( but USA has to get rid of that 9/11 lawsuit re: JASTA) . Saudis are controlling & I read yesterday that Trump checked in with King Salman regarding Syria. Wow


  46. Kaseysmom says:

    My husband’s a Brit- we were Stunned when Pence went over there supporting Trump on EU, NATO, UN. He flipped on anti to pro on those. He’s also flipped on two state nation- Mattis is pro that so you know its coming. “No one’s taking the oil”…Mattis was approached by never trumpers to run for pres last year. Interesting . Mcmaster worked under him, as did kelley. State dept reports cap increase from 85k refugees last year to 110k refugees this year with a leeway of acceptin 14k more. Fox news considers Farage & Coulter nationalists now. They are patriots who want to take care of their own back yards and close borders. That’s me and that’s what i voted for.


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  48. Darla Dawald says:

    The best assessment and narrative that I’ve seen regarding president Trumps actions. I agree with you. I do however, believe that Assad did gas his people. Russia’s Putin is in bed with Assad and all of this is part of end times prophecy coming true. Thank you.


  49. wasntme says:

    We killed hussein , things got worse. We killed kaddaffi, things got worse. Now if we just kill assad everyone is going to live happily ever after? Since these other assassinations made things worse instead of better, maybe we don’t know as much as we think we do.


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