For those who have spent time in the lead up to this moment, you may remember our warning that Elon Musk would eventually take a position against President Trump and actively work to undermine the MAGA agenda therein.
Tonight as the Senate debates the Big Beautiful Bill, that does not include subsidies for his electric vehicles and green energy initiatives, Elon Musk promises to organize a third party. This was all predictable.
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The bill is imperfect, yes. However, the BBB contains the priorities of President Trump and those priorities are the goals and objectives of the people who voted to support his vision. Elon Musk is now actively working against the interests of the Make America Great Again movement, and he is intent on dividing the MAGA coalition.
Sometime around April of 2026 (approx. 15 months), if not sooner, Elon Musk will be in opposition to Donald Trump and demanding people choose.
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A new party would do the same damage that Ross perot did. It would divide the conservative vote.
Elon Musk is a national security risk.
Who oversees where he aims those things?
Boston Radio’s Howie Carr has said, more than once, that Elon was not born here in America and as smart as he is, he doesn’t seem to grasp American politics.. the culture of it perhaps?
(the same can be said for many immigrants)
He then gives examples as to why Elon is off base and causing us harm- while seemingly thinking he’s helping?
Howie seems grateful for the good Elon does but then it’s things like this here that means we’re paying a very high price for the “Help”.
Howie has also said for years now that in all reality Donald Trump IS A Party.
He’s the leader of the MAGA movement that we’re all here for and we’re quite a large force now in strength and numbers.
He’s the ONLY reason that we’re here in this Republican tent, it’s because it’s where Donald Trump is.
Howie has said that the Trump party (whatever he’d call it) is his for the taking and many of us wish he’d gone that route a long time ago and done just exactly what Elon is talking about now.
Many of us feel Trump could have easily done this and I’m not sure we agree with his reasons for not doing it.
Donald Trump has been so confident, he tells us anyway- that he’s taken over the Republican party and it’s very MAGA now and I don’t think this has ever been true.
I agree with Elon Musk that we’re deeply suffering now from the Uni-Party, truly, we’ve had no representation- many of us- for our entire lives!
I supported Ross Perot and hoped he could make a go of a third party, that one has never been allowed to rise pretty much says it all and proves the point that we are locked into this two party scam that is really two sides of one coin.
I was pretty young back then and even at that young age, I fully could see what a scam this two party system was- even back then at that time.
BUT if there is going to finally be a viable third party, having it be the tech people, I’m not sure this is good news.
If it busts up the Uni-Party that is good, again though, look at the price we’re going to pay for that work to then be controlled by the technocrats- who I think are literally crazy.
On top of everything we’ve got going on, do we really need this?
Yeah well. If Elon tries to start a New Party he won’t invite Trump to stay in the guesthouse.
It won’t go far
There is no saying at all what Elon will or won’t do.
He’d be smart to harness the Trump machine – which is all of us- put it at the top of his party and then control it because he did it all and funded it so he could.
He can buy Trump just as they all buy eachother– welcome to the reality of this system we’ve got where for a price, anything and anyone can be bought and owned.
It’s not like Elon can run for President, he’s got to have someone that can as the face of it, he needs a giant pool of voters or he’s got nothing, so why wouldn’t he invite Trump into this?
Lol, if he wants to get anywhere, he would because fighting Donald Trump is not going to work.
I often questioned why a Country (Nation) needs a party, any party. It seems as soon as there is one line of thought, there is another that springs up, with a different “opinion” of how things (the country, nation) should be run. An opinion is not necessarily based in fact; mostly opinions are based in feelings.
The US from my understanding has the most defined Spiritually inspired Constitution on the planet. Would a Country/Nation not prosper if it adhered to their Constitution as opposed to being allowed to be split by opinions.
It was the British Establishment that got pissed at those folks that crossed the water, that wanted to live a free un-bonded life, it was also the British Establishment that took on the mantle of divide and conquer through years of grooming by the Roman Catholic Doctrine.
Just to go a little deeper, the ways and means that have seeped down through the ages to how the game we are all ensnared in is played was designed in such a manner as to always keep “us” opposed to one another, its called “competition”.
Who is there to compete with as one Recognises that there is Only One God, Being the I that is I. Jesus messaged this in simple parables, “I and the father (God) are One. But the Establishment of the day twisted the message and the messenger, made a martyr out of jesus now to be worshiped and set up theocracy (mans intellectual interpretation) of the message.
So how does this tie in to 1-2-3 political parties? In the UK I have lost count of how many parties there are, it seems one for every flavour, or opinion, lol, but look at Englandistan. Simply put, the more party’s, the more confusing the argument becomes.
With One Solid Constitution based in Fact there is no argument.
“The Party” is the business end of organizing all the voters- so they say.
We’ve now got a very corrupt business end of things, it’s no different than any other large business that goes to the dark side- we’re seeing a lot of this today.
In the big picture here, we’ve all got about the power of a flea now in this system that supposedly, according to the Constitution, we’re supposed to be running.
We’re at the point now where elections mean less and less- as do these parties.. this is not good and leads to war.
It’s one thing to have no representation, it’s quite another thing to not even have a properly functioning process to then get something done with the results of this “Representation”.
No, we do not.
Agreed
I don’t think any of them “get it.”
Hey, Elooooooooony Bird, that sucking sound you will hear if you do this will be the ghost of Ross Perot giving you the RASPBERRY….along with all the currently Republican House and Senate seat Democrat wins you will help them pull off. Go back to Africa and Make South Africa Great.
If he tries it, Elon Musk is going to discover he is even less popular than Kamala Harris.
You can’t say this is true though because he’s the one with ALL the money, we’re talking about the richest man on the planet, believe me, he’ll be popular.
Don Jr totally screwed his father in so many way……If 2026 is a total wipe out..
you watch how fast Vance and some other turn into Mike Pence
Oh and Thank the Lord there is no Vivek…Could you imagine…
IMHO…Vivek is like Pritzker…waiting for “his turn”.
<IMHO…Vivek is like Pritzker..>
Vivek’s not half the man Pritzker is 🙂
The Pritzker name does carry a lot of weight…
Pritzker is the bigger man, by any measure.
Has more gravitas too!
Pritzker’s record in Illinois is without equal.
His testosterone runs low in that family.
Elon may convince Vivek to run for Potus in Elon’s new party.
If Elon is smart and he wants to start a new party, he will get wealthy self made millionaires/Billionaires, CEO’S, business leaders, corporate executives and non politicians to run for office. If this country were run by business leaders and the very wealthy, who would need to steal us blind, and were not gubmint teat sucking lifers, I could be all in on a slate of candidates like that.
They would steal our soul. These technocrats just want the power, and to be god their selves.
That is the danger. Elon is no friend of MAGA and I have never trusted him, or Theil, or Vance
or Gates. Trump has fiath in God – and is called by Him for this hour. That is the difference.
Musk sends another 26,000 of his 5-G microwave radiation emitting satelites up, people get a
“new variant” of “covid” as we are being nuked, and then he gives out respirators, while sending
up more. He puts cancer-causing wireless microwave-emitting radiation into animal and people’s
brains, puts people in “driverless” cars that are not perfected – without conscience -and shoots rocket after
rocket up – with some blowing up – all because he does not care about risk, but has some insane
idea that we need to live on Mars. Why don’t we just “go back to the future” and unplug from tech,
before their control grid is final. Why do you think he “volunteered” to get access to all the data the
government has on each of us, and why Thiel’s CIA-backed Palantir is being given a contract to get rest
of government data on each of us? The billionaires are psychopaths for the most part it seems – it is what
the World Economic Forum, Bilderberg, etc. is made up of. Wake up people!
I knew from the beginning when Elon joined MAGA with DOGE that he was there to see where the money was in the government.
His companies have been borne by government grants.
I found it fascinating how quickly Vivek turned tail when it was time to start working on DOGE.
I do not trust him, never have.
Why is it the “charismatic” young wannabe politicians think they could become rap stars? Something seriously broken going on in there to transition from wannabe rap star to politician.
Barry Obama with a rap twist. Not again, please. We are still reeling from the damage Obama did.
Add Susie Wiles to that list of idiots.
Verrry skeptical of ms. W.
How so?
Giddy Up Cowboys!!
Round em up!!
Rawhide..
https://www.overtonnews.com/p/146-billion-the-biggest-healthcare?utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
I just realized, “big beautiful bill“ is the same initials as build back better. Nice move, President Trump.
Nothing was built better under Biden
The Very Stable Genius and the Very Unstable Genius make an interesting couple.
Opposites attract?
So I have been told. lol
I think billionaires like hanging with billionaires. It’s soothing to them.
5 more trillion..%.
hard to understand or accept
Elon is not an idiot. He knows that if he splits the Republican Party then the Democrats will win and spending will increase. So he’s obviously a fraud with ulterior motives.
The spigot of federal dollars to prop up a couple of his businesses is about to be shut off. He does great works with SpaceX, but the cars are about to nose dive.
People will still buy them
This all depends how things like this november – if earnings go up…the economy booms
and people really notice a difference…don’t be so sure…..
I’ve long believed that it would be more appropriate if Elon would just change his name to Ulterior Motive.
Yes, he uncovered massive amounts of waste and corruption through his D.O.G.E. investigating, and we can all be grateful for that, but I never accepted it as him doing it for love of country.
Save us billions by reducing waste so that we would grant him trillions in contracts.
Prolly figures the dems will give him what he wants before they destroy the country.
They likely will if he can splinter the MAGA vote and get them back in Power.
Problem is, the MAGA of the future is going to be BIG and Beautiful.
Will be difficult to sell the American people on going back to the crap we went thru with FJB and the Hoe, just so Elon can have his way.
We won’t have time to worry about he National debt if the dems get back in power, Elon!!!
We’ll be too preoccupied fighting for scraps out of the dumpster.
Let’s see, that guy who said the BBB is a pork fill monstrosity wants to elect democrats so the Federal Gov’t to spend even more money? Beau Geste is to be the only one making sense here. Why does the BBB have to raise the debt by 5 trillion? What is MAGA getting for it. What happened to tariffs paying for the FG. How can you grow the private sector by growing the public sector? Elon Musk is no greater national security risk than Microsoft, Apple, Meta, Google GM etc. I’ve never heard Musk complain once about the elimination of ecar subsidies, S,D. But who is getting the 5 trillion? If it doesn’t complete the wall and boot 20 million illegals, it’s wasted. Less than a trillion should get that job done.
How’d you know Sundance? It is a snakepit in the business world and politics is worse but I thought Elon was a convert. Dark MAGA.Ha!
They say geniuses are inherently unstable and musk certainly fits the Bill. He is a typical example of one who seeks revenge for personal perceived slights to his prestige, pocketbook, etc THINLY VEILED as a self righteous politically motivated activism. And he is truly DELUSIONAL to boot. Who is going to support him? The liberals/radicals who just a month ago were firebombing his Teslas? MAGA supporters who are 94% behind Trump? Independents who watched him throw a temper tantrum which included false accusations that Trump was in the Epstein files?He will be the ONLY member of his new party, and I, for one, will laugh hilariously.
Stormin’ Norman was a genius with an I Q of 168, and genius wasn’t unstable.
A third party Musk would be driving will not get off the ground with his H1B1 position.
For the longest time, we were told ‘they were needed’…those H1B’s….so if nothing else, he has shown us they are not ‘needed’ but desired because of the $$$ saved in wages and benefits….savings from not hiring qualified US citizens.
Many Americans do not understand how wages are often paid meaning, where the money comes from for wages…and that is unfortunate. And is something the world of business would prefer we don’t know…
remember when Disney IT employees were fired
and had to train their H1B visa replacements or they
would not receive their severance payout?
Musk is a moron. He is showing his true colors. The only reason he did all he did was to try to pressure President trump to keep the EV mandate. Musk is a self-centered freak.
Muskrat has worn out his welcome, time for him to go back to wherever he gets doped up & diddles himself.
Muskrat…he shall forever be called…
Elon is on the spectrum. He’s never been even keeled. He is super intelligent and just doesn’t seem to understand why everyone else isn’t. I don’t think many Republicans like the BBB, but most realize it is the best we can get given the rules of Congress. Hard to imagine Elon hasn’t figured that out, but he hasn’t evidently. After this gets passed, the Republicans have a lot of work to do the next 3 years to scrape away the garbage.
Our country will back his multi – wives movement – no way. He is a serial philanderer.
Elon is stupid. Not a genius. Nope. Dumb. Stupid. Dense. One cannot be a genius without common sense. Without common sense one is merely an intellectual fact-processing analyst.
case in point: Elon thinks he had Trump supporters programmed via marketing to see him as superior to President Trump, as PDJT’s string-puller. Haaaaahaaaaahaaaaa. Elon fail at a Very Big Con.
Carry on mr. billionaire. You do you.
I dont get to post very often anymore because of sickness, but tonight I just wanted to say the same thing every one else is saying, How sad, that Musk has decided again to go this route and put President Trump in danger and all because of some
EV things going on that he said is not in this bill but like the rest of Elons life He will be paid off with subsudies and he will
not lose.. I have kind of stood back and Watched what the Republicans was going to do with these bills and came to the agreement with Self They are going to do the same thing they did in Pres, Trumps first Term They are going to get right to the very end and the RINOs will make sure that he has no money to do anything with and the rest of the cowards like Thune and the rest will do nothing to change that …
Oh, there will be a bill that passes but it will be nothing to do with anything that President Trump wants,
This I what America has become. Everybody is out for themselves. Money is the new god. These billionaires are used to getting their way and when they don’t, they are like spoiled children. Trump got some good use out of Elon then shitecanned him.
Elon said he didn’t mind if there were cuts to EV credits in the bill.
As long as there was a level playing field.
Well, “nobody gets nothin” is about as even as you can get.
And the solar stuff…
Iirc, all companies have to do is build with American made panels and equipment.
What’s not to like.
Solar isn’t a viable industry and will never be a viable industry. It is 100% dependent on govt subsidies.
Rush Limbaugh had Elon pegged decades ago.
SALT….objective?
medicaid to illegals….objective?
nah.
I’m thinking Musk’s third party attempt will flame out on the launching pad, same as his latest rocket launch attempt.
Yes, there is so much animosity toward Musk on the left, it will be interesting to see if he has another successful launch, let alone keep his companies solvent. I’m talking sabotage.
While the IC may have “six ways to Sunday” to get back at you, those building your rockets have literally millions of undetectable ways to make them fail. Huge string of failures since he got involved in DC , the only one let through was the astronaut rescue mission.
Becoming a controversial figure and lightning rod for the left, who openly trash Teslas and drive the stock down 70%, make him extremely vulnerable to ill-will.
He may not know it, or even imagine it, but the odds of his employees allowing him to succeed have become extremely iffy.
Unfortunately, NASA over the last 20 years has been nurturing his low-cost launch services, which leaves them in a pickle.
However, since NASA science is being cut 25-50%, back to pre-1961 levels in inflation adjusted dollars, the space program is in the process of being destroyed, even as Trump talks about flag planting on Mars while quixotically shutting down the existing infra-structure that would support that cost-effectively (19 active spacecraft in place and returning data are to be simply shut off under his budget proposal), while massively expensive manned -systems with unclear purposes and low-probability of success are continued.
I think Musk is mentally ill.
Definitely looks that way.
I believe something is wrong with him. Sad really. He could have done so much good.
This also has the vote totals as they are voted.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/06/30/john-fetterman-criticizes-senates-marathon-voting-on-trumps-big-beautiful-bill-i-just-want-to-go-home/
Just a few weeks ago he knew better….
The Senate knowing the BBB was going to pass, larded it up with another trillion in spending, that’s Musk’s beef.
Beefing about pork…
I’m a deplorable without a party. I currently have No representation. I’m with Elon
If Elon starts a new party the US will then be a two party system. GOP/DNC won’t allow that. Our democracy depends on it,,,,, that and that the Epstein recording stay hidden..
They might allow the perception of it, if it gets them back in Power.
“However, the BBB contains the priorities of President Trump and those priorities are the goals and objectives of the people who voted to support his vision. “
Does it cut any of the fraud, waste and abuse, initially found in the D.O.G.E audits? They can’t even get a fraction of that, $9B in cuts through this fraud of a congress. However, they’ll gladly add $7B in perks and stash for themselves. That means that the Republican are still funding EVERYTHING IN THE BIDEN FRAUD BUDGET, plus $700B more of everything.
This bill won’t fulfill the President’s priorities. It’ll kill MAGA and cripple our country. Standby for 20% inflation, spiraling deficits just to pay interest on the debt, and financial collapse. What happened after 1929? “Never let a crisis go to waste”, and so the 1930’s Democrat socialists elected their icon, FDR, who permanently instituted socialism as a government policy. What do you think will happen if there’s a much worse collapse under Trump? Hello, Communism. Maybe it’ll happen under Musk’s gang, who knows?
I can’t excuse the GOP Congress’s largess, both Senate and House members, for the sake of “MAGA priorities”. I’ve been lied to by these SOB’s for over 50 years, while they’ve spent the country into serfdom. (Yep, a lot of it was Dems, but they were only able to do it by their fake GOP fellow travelers, who enabled every bit of it.) Have they killed Obamacare yet? Obamacare almost killed ME. I wouldn’t trust any promise made by anyone in the GOP (and the Dems can go to h*ll).
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If Elon actually launches a new party to take down Trump, I’m starting a Super PAC to defend the MAGA candidates he targets.
Cont….
What for? To try to get all his subsidies back??!!
Like he’s an actual American. He’s a parasite like all the rest in DC.
No one cares what Elon does… he better get ready to take some hits from Trump though! lol
FA… 😏
Despite everyone laughing at the prospect of a third party I think it is a good idea.
“Trump isn’t just our candidate. He’s our murder weapon, and the GOP is our victim
..we good now?”
How’s that working out for ya? With 6 elections since Trump came on board we still have only a few seat majority in the House (with 5% quasi-MAGA) and a bunch of floating turds in the Senate.
Maga is the third party.
…kept most Republicans within and brought in some conservative democrats, Hispanic, black, etc and youth voters.
It built a small majority (within a few years) so far ….even though it fought off establishment Republicans, democrats, foreign intervention, fraud, and the deep state all at the same time.
Building a third party by splitting the Republican party will give the democrats a super majority on the Federal level. There may be no coming back from that.
And in 3 years Trump will be history. Actually in 2 years as he will be lame duck last 2 years. The dems will take the house and senate in midterms and Trump may as well go play golf every day.
Our deficit under Trump was terrible. The BBB has been stripped of so much that is now a porkulus laden liberal cash cow.
Thinking of a response to Elon’s threat to start a new political party, I had an immediate flashback to one of Pat Paulsen’s old campaign slogans: “We’ve upped our standards, now up yours!”
I’m not so sure this isn’t a good idea. Musk can’t “take down” Trump and Maga, as some have suggested he’s trying to do, because b/c Trump can’t serve again, and MAGA is a mindset, not a party or a thing. I think an America First official party is a great idea and I’m not sure Musk and Trump are as diametrically opposed as they may seem to some. Vance and Miller seem to be perfect fits for such a party. I remain optimistic.
And this mythical 3rd Party will vanquish the deep state and bring all of Congress to heel? – Bah humbug!
No declaration of operating principals – This is to hurt Trump and to hurt all of us as MAGA’
Sowing disunity – divide and conquer. Musk is so obvious…
The Democrats are OK Elon? Not taking them down are you!
Musk bought twitter at great loss to himself. remember the conditions in the psyop those days. things seemed pretty dire.
I inherently believe the addition of alternative political parties is a good thing, especially one that acknowledges that Dems and Repubs are two wings of the same bird. MAGA is actually a 3rd party that has hijacked the republicans. Maybe some good can come from this?
You can’t ride on Trump’s coattails and then stab him in the back. Elon may be intelligent in the ways of technology, but he is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is when it comes to trying to use and then step on Trump to advance his own agenda.
Hummm…. Elon can’t run for POTUS, he’s foreign born. Who will be his “anointed?” Will the Elon “anointed” be better than the Peter Thiel “Anointed” AKA J.D. Vance or the Sea Island “Anointed” DeSantis? BTW, who will be the DNC “Anointed?” Can things actually get better after the 2028 election? I hope so…..
Musk should have stuck with working for trump as he is very poor at politics. His new partry will be a failure and a waste of good money
I know there are many reasons against this, but what if Elon formed the other party and PDJT switched and joined it, and 90% of MAGA moved to the third party. Leaving American and Republican parties as the strong party and Democrats as the BS crazy/socialist/communist party.
What if… this was planned and orchestrated by Elon and PDJT (even more doubtful). The Uniparty cheezemaking would shift from happening between Dems/Repubs (MAGA + RINO) and switch to MAGA-Tech vs RINO/WEF.
I am sad Musk is doing this, but more Mad. The more he bounces all over the place, the less people will trust him. Who would trust him with their business investment now?
What are you smoking Country Doc!
the MAGA agenda is the 3rd party.. Many of the Tea Party members are the original MAGA drivers of today..One would think the Republican Party would have gotten the message after Ross Perot. However, the criminal element was already too deeply rooted.. it’s hard to keep a republic without a moral leadership..
Third parties have zero chance in a two-party system. Best put your efforts toward exploring the heavens, Elon.
Only a spectacular failure by one or both of these parties could lead to a rise in a new party. MAGA is a relatively new movement attempting to remake the rino uniparty. However, this will be a long term project that will take determination and perserverence to come to fruition. Ridding the Senate of the likes of McConnel, Tillis and Cornyn is just the beginning. Equally important will be selecting MAGA candidates in the primaries to replace them.
Isn’t it great how quickly we got away from Exposing the Details of the Corruption rampant throughout the Institutions so we could focus on how many more $Trillions Gov Spending should increase….?
Just put all those Deaths + Corruption behind us so we can move forward on things we can accomplish (with a GOP Majority in Congress)…
This is so clearly the best we could have ever hoped for….
For myself – I never trusted Mr. Musk because he is the vehicle by which much of the Future Digital Dictatorship is being constructed…
He says he is for Humanity but at his best, he is Transhumanism Lite…
I’m with President Trump.
We The People voted for Trump, not Elon. The only reason I started liking Musk was because of his support for Trump. The BBB will lift every hard working American to economic highs never seen before. Pass the bill the American people voted for!
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July 1 2025
12:44 am
Elon Musk knew, long before he so strongly Endorsed me for President, that I was strongly against the EV Mandate.
It is ridiculous, and was always a major part of my campaign.
Electric cars are fine, but not everyone should be forced to own one.
Elon may get more subsidy than any human being in history, by far, and without subsidies, Elon would probably have to close up shop and head back home to South Africa.
No more Rocket launches, Satellites, or Electric Car Production, and our Country would save a FORTUNE.
Perhaps we should have DOGE take a good, hard, look at this?
BIG MONEY TO BE SAVED!!!
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