For those who have spent time in the lead up to this moment, you may remember our warning that Elon Musk would eventually take a position against President Trump and actively work to undermine the MAGA agenda therein.
Tonight as the Senate debates the Big Beautiful Bill, that does not include subsidies for his electric vehicles and green energy initiatives, Elon Musk promises to organize a third party. This was all predictable.
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The bill is imperfect, yes. However, the BBB contains the priorities of President Trump and those priorities are the goals and objectives of the people who voted to support his vision. Elon Musk is now actively working against the interests of the Make America Great Again movement, and he is intent on dividing the MAGA coalition.
Sometime around April of 2026 (approx. 15 months), if not sooner, Elon Musk will be in opposition to Donald Trump and demanding people choose.
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The left hates Musk. M.A.G.A. has no use for him. Is Musk going to unfree speech Twitter again?
He never really freed it!
Petulant. Merrium-Webster: insolent or rude in speech or behavior; characterized by temporary or capricious ill humor; peevish. Cambridge dictionary: easily angered or annoyed especially in a rude way.
Mr. Musk is a great example of a petulant little boy who is angry because Dad told him no.
ROCKET MAN IS ANOTHER MAN WHO UNDERSTANDS LIES
ANY ONE ANY ONE THINK YOU CAN KEEP SPENDING PAPER BY PRINTING MORE PAPER
And claiming WARP SPEED AHEAD WILL SOLVE
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
MICHAEL N DAY VOTES AGAINST THE BIG ASS SPENDING BILL IS FAKE MONEY AND IT WILL NOT
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
I WORK FOR AND Elected A very stable Genius in COMMIEFORNIA
THIS IS A FARCE MORE SPENDING OF A BROKEN DEMOCRACY OF MOB RULE
WTFU Germany did the same CRAP
WTFU same BOSS AS FJB And it is NOT A SOUL-UTION to a DAMN THING
This mess wasn’t created in one day, and it won’t be fixed in one session, or term, and yes, people can be mad, we should be mad, but we also have to realize, those who vote, it is our responsibility to continue to complete the hostile takeover of the Republican party until all of the RINO feathers of the Uniparty bird’s wing are gone.
Patience really is a virtue, focused patience calls for both stamina and steadfastness. And if President Trump can go through all that has been thrown at him and he keeps his focus true, knowing there will be potholes and diversions along the way, we have no excuse to being distracted by angry dilettantes, even if they wear ‘the richest man in the world’ moniker.
There will always be tantrums, dramas and honest to goodness surprises, but stay focused, do our part in both the primaries and general elections, and slowly this ship gets turned around.
Musk is/was simply a guest of MAGA. It was he who jumped on the Trump train, not the other way around.
He’ll hurt both R and D candidates a little if he actually follows through, with my money on it being a net positive for Trump.
I expect he would pull the younger generation who voted for Trump because he is King of Tech.
I don’t think they trust him that much Money and power might work better with the suburban women, he can have them and i suspect has had them and will again,
Thank you, Sundance.
The guy talked about how he chose the side of Trump because he knew the Democrats would destroy America, and this country had to survive so people like him could continue to innovate. And now he’s going to wreck it over his EV subsidies, even though not renewing the tax cuts will absolutely wreck this country. What a self-serving dirtbag.
Wondering how much he forks over to use the launching pads on the Space Coast? Asking for a Floridian…
Someone who can should upload a video of all he said, and what he says now and is doing and get him to answer questions per video; as to what kind of a person he is when it comes to commitment, steadfast service and professional ethics. Is he really a player, a go-with-the-wind bloke, out only for himself, personal opinion and grievances aside; worse does he have to rile up those who support the mandate they gave PDJT?
The real Elon? Never here-nor there-guy?
Hard pass.
He can go ahead & pump his💰💰💵 down the sewer, this is America & it’s allowed. Thanks for the 2024 assist, buh-bye now.
How long before Steve Douchey will be on site at Space X doing fluff pieces for Elon and Ron. This is the official launch of Curly Boots 2.0 My feeling is Donald is grooming Rubio as a successor.. I could be wrong but Ron is a snake
Many in the rest of the country think Ron DaMeatball is great. He seems like a great governor because all of the past ones sucked so badly.
As having an interest in FL…Meatball got his good name, and just my opinion, from his efficiency in hurricane response…he learned from the errors of others before him and from Katrina. And he goes by that govt emergency response, preparedness, and mitigation model.
I will give credit where its due…but has not done much with the insurance problems down there.
Ron is such a suck-up.
Doesn’t matter. When people see him or his wife speak, they quickly grow to dislike them.
You means like Daddy Doocey’s interviewing DeSantis at Alligator Alcatraz a few days ago acting like he was the govs best bud? Retiring to Florida…
I surprised they didn’t kiss in that ‘Love’ fest…
The town I live in in FL has an official hiring hall for illegals. It’s called El Sol. Ron is fulla doo doo. This state is overrun with illegals. He’s never done anything about it. Once again he’s trying to ride PDJT’s coat tails but that only works once and he blew it.
Let’s hope Ron is rejected again.
No. You’re right.
I noticed today that when he signed the latest bill he had to turn it around and show it like PDJT does. He also needs a haircut or wash his greasy hair.
Contrary to popular belief, Musk was never MAGA. He was never our “friend.”
Igor Musk was, is, and always will be a government welfare queen and a grifter. He will say and do anything to retain access to our tax dollars to advance his own nefarious agenda.
Clearly, he has accomplished whatever goals he had for the first six months of President Trump’s second term. Those goals most certainly had nothing to do with advancing the cause of liberty and justice in America.
Elon will lose this war. FAFO
Elon political party slogan 🤔
THE X PARTY™:
Governance, but with frequent outages and no customer support
Explodes on launch? Or during a test run?
Sundance is closest to the pin from 15 months out. Remarkable!
Yep. I would normally say astounding were I not used to see this over the last decade. He’s got the map, the legend and all the keys.
And the cards as well.
It’s a head-fake, imo.
I see that both Iowa Senators are fighting to keep the 100’s of billions of dollars of wind and solar credits, because it is good for a few wealthy people in Iowa. America can do better than those two.
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They’re claiming that “workers will be unemployed”. I have an idea: hire Americans.
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Elon is thinking and talking like a rational businessman. He is totally correct….our nation is heading for economic implosion due to rampant overspending.
Ok, the problem has been identified. Please note that Elon’s direct solution is to start a new political party.
Now let us consider that the DOGE Party is created and many join because they like the results Elon’s Pork-Busters, who brought results in a very short time. These citizens joining DOGE Party long for swift results and care not whose sacred cows get defunded. Great !
Where are those DOGE-ian supporters coming from as they migrate into Elon’s new political party ?? Will they come from the GOP or from the Donkeycrats or will they be from that one-fifth of citizens who just do not participate in elections/voting ??
Most will migrate from the GOP with a small sprinkling from the Donkeycrats, and we could see a group of non-participants arising magically energized to get involved in elections/voting by joining DOGE. But the GOP will still be in existance; weakened, but still able to fight DOGE.
Is everybody seeing it ? Are you seeing what Elon’s new third party is going to do when we have our next election ??
Right. Spot on. You scored a direct hit !
Yep, Elon’s DOGE Party will guarantee that the Donkeycrats seize power across the board. The GOP spendthrifts will be neutered but the Donkeycrats (DemonicRats, in actuality) will be the winners in a large majority of election contests. DOGE Party will win some seats and the GOP spendthrifts will also win some seats, but the majority will be won by the Donkeycrat-Demonics. When Congress reopens for a new session, their Party will control what bills even get put up for vote and they will rape and pillage America’s taxpayers with abandon, because their opposition are fighting with each other and are not united in purpose/methods/beliefs…..
This is why third parties have failed to gain prominence in our two centuries of elections. They just cannot and never have been able to grow fast enough to prevent the other party from re-asserting dominant control. Both establishment political parties see such “up-starts” as threats to their dominance and will do everything they can to each attack the new political threat. If you recall, this is what we saw in the second and third year of WoeBamaz usurpation when the Tea Party movement arose.
I am not trying to be a defeatist; only a realist who understands history and how these movements have played out over time.
If any of you readers can show how Elon’s DOGE-ians can become a dominant political party swiftly so as to keep the budget-busters out of office/from being elected, I am ready to be educated. Lay out your ideas so we can all learn from you.
There are a huge number of declared independents. You forgot to mention them. They go whatever way they feel is best for them and if Elon offers them something they don’t get elsewhere there are a lot of independents who will head on over. good or bad I wouldn’t totally discount this idea Elon is suggesting just yet. It might be important down the road.
The truth of the matter is: The spineless republican party does nothing to help President Trump.
They, in fact, fight the President’s programs tooth and nail, stab him in the back at every opportunity, and are actually just a wing of the dimocrat/commie party.
Face the facts: WE NEED A NEW MAGA POLITICAL PARTY, and no matter who forms it, it will pull major support from the dying republican, always losing, party…
The left hates musk.
MAGA will hate musk with one Truth post from Trump.
musk doesn’t have the clout to pull off what your thinking.
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I think your analysis ordinarily would be correct (Ross Perot), but I don’t see a possible big exodus from the GOP, especially if the little guy is doing much better, and given our bench in the queue.
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This country is closely divided and very close elections are the standard. All musk’s America Party has to do is to get 2 or 3 percent of the ballots to throw the election to the dims.
That’s clearly his plan/hope.
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Ew. A valid and distressing point. Perhaps we can fix the election integrity issues once Trump saves us from drowning.
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The dims/commies don’t need Musk’s 2 or 3 percent… They will simply “win” the 2028 presidential “election” by their tried and true voter fraud program.
Remember: H. Ross Perot killed George W’s reelection and gave the presidency to Clinton. Clinton Never score over 50% popular vote in either election!
George HW’s reelection — FIFY.
“our nation is heading for economic implosion due to rampant overspending.”
Musk loves spending taxpayer money on windmills .
Yes! Let’s do that!
That is EXACTLY what Teddy Roosevelt’s “Progressive” Bull Moose Party did early in the 20th Century – and because of that the American people wound up with Woodrow Wilson and his handler, “Colonel” Edward Mandell House. The country was never the same since.
Our worst President to this day….
He is responsible for what the federal Government has become…
If it wasn’t for the 16th amendment and the Fed, the growth of government would have been slowed and retarded…
A starving government is a compliant one….
A obese government is an abusive one….
It’s to our complete shame that history is not taught…we allowed this….
It’s long past time to reject it….
NO MERCY!
It’ David and Goliath fight.
I have yet too see any substantial description or summary of this bill.
I can’t possibly even have an opinion of it.
And, as I see it, that is the way they want it
Mark: Might as well watch multi-species sausage with extra road kill being made.
Elon is definitely an amazing entrepreneur, but he is out of his league with PDJT with respect to politics, media savvy, and love for America. He was always going to betray MAGA because he needs liberals to allow him unfettered access to government subsidies.
Let’s hope he isn’t too friendly with the CIA or other 16 or 17 intelligence agencies.
Sorry, Elon; but I voted for Trump for President. You have been helpful, but you are not Donald Trump. Sorry to see your selfishness overpowers any good you have accomplished so far. I am grateful for X and all your help with Dodge. But none of that erases your childish behavior today. We will make it thanks to Trump, his great Cabinet and most of all, to our Almighty God who chose Trump as our leader and watches over all our MAGA people. You cannot compete with God the Almighty.
Great post
I’m lousy at math but it seems that the national debt will be driven down by lower interest rates,new trade deals with Canada and Mexico, lower unemployment #’s , lower energy costs . All MAGA policies.
Elon’s tantrum is driven by purely self interest.
The ONLY way the national debt will be reduced is by cutting government spending….
Or by paying down the debt with the profits from tariffs…
The “profits” from tariffs won’t even pay the interest on the national debt.
Unfortunately, Musk owes a lot(!) of his fortune to “electric vehicles” and “green energy” subsidies.
Perhaps he should divest himself of these losing enterprises and focus on rockets.
Obviously, a “third party” is coming to this country. But it probably won’t be because of this guy.
How does he make money in rockets without huge government funding?
Never doubt Sundance! Elon Musk has destroyed himself dabbling in politics emotionally. It’s a shame. He showed his true colors with the H-1B visa debate and now he’s gone totally rogue with opposing the BBB.
The American Party was much needed but only after MAGA took over the GOP and dissolved it like the Whigs were subsumed into the GOP with Lincoln. But an American Party headed by Musk would bare very little resemblance to MAGA much less of a nationalist party as its name implies. It would be a very globalist party having the Green agenda along with H-1B and so-called free trade.
Musk has shown himself to be a wild cater who cannot be trusted with political leadership. My strongest advice for him would be to stay in his lane as beloved technologist rather than distrustful political lightning rod
Elon is on the verge of learning just how unimportant he is. He needs to stick to rockets and electric cars, and leave good governance to President Trump.
He’s like most billionaires- they want to run the world.
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🙁 He feels like he’s earned considerations. It’s always “transactional”, not altruistic. He’s done much good. At great expense to himself. And but…
Donald Trump never made promises, save for that yes, the space program is important and it would be cool to go to Mars. I suspect that Musk thought he would have free reign over NASA. And Trump’s withdrawing Musk’s Democrat anti-Trump choice of Jared Isaacman just devastated that fantasy.
Oh well. Except for the space program, every Greenie subsidy and dispensation is, in my view, and, I’m pretty sure, in the views of a whole lot of MAGA, the equivalent of fraud, waste, and abuse.
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Elon hopefully will calm down and see what happens.
Elon is going through a tough breakup with MAGA , after jumping on stage and whole-heartedly supporting Trump/MAGA. I think he spend around 240 million on this (maybe 140 million, can’t remember for sure).
Elon got in return, scorn from MSM, people boycotting his cars, burning and trashing his showrooms, and supporting cutting back on EV perks from Government.
Elon knew he didn’t want Communism/Socialism … so Trump seemed like a lot better choice (and Elon was right about that).
Expensive losses for Elon, and to have both parties hate him now, rep and dem and msm … he has to go through the 5 stages of grief.
Hopefully it is hard lesson he will learn, and maybe form “new” relationship with Trump, who knows. Maybe an alliance with Trump might work, on issues they both agree on.
“Five stages of grief”… he seems to be stuck in anger…
yeah , he isn’t at the last stage of “acceptance” yet. It could be a long time getting there.
He can have Tom Massie and Rand Paul.
Musk is a clone, plain and simple….. Central Casting !
SD, you officially impress me.
Awesome call!
Think I’ll send Musk a message on X and suggest he call it the TRUMP PARTY. Because the President is going to win no matter what he does. (heh-heh).
Oops. Did I let the cat out of the bag?
How many days until he walks it back?
My guess is he walks it back as soon as the BBB passes and is signed by The Prez.
So his whole joining Team Trump was all an act, a ploy?
He would have gotten an EV subsidy with the Dems and Joe/Kamala
yet he joined forces with POTUS.. so he was never on the Trump train
to begin with?
He wanted the influence he thought he bought. He’s also in bed with other technocrats that are planning our surveillance grid, smart city existence, and forced transhumanism. He’s one of their worker bees – not one of the leaders.
And I bet he sucked up a lot of usable information when he was out DOGEing.
Elon is out of his element. He is rightly outraged that real cuts were it made, but he has no concept of a situation wherein he isn’t the one calling the shots. He doesn’t grasp having two other branches of government with separate and equal powers. He doesn’t have to compromise the lesser important to get the majors accomplished. All a third party would do is give the Dems more power. We admire and appreciate Elon. But we didn’t elect him. He needs to stay in his lane.
So Elon is going to organize a third party?
Let’s see how good he is at herding cats!
Musk’s petulance may ruin techy Vance’s MAGA credentials in favor of Rubio. Musk won’t even get 1/5th of the support that was enjoyed by Ross Perot.
Why thank you Mr. Musk. You’re sure to expose the RINO’s in Congress even more.
Even the young generation wants jobs. Not imports from other countries taking their jobs.
Great observation!
I don’t believe Elon is actually upset about the loss of subsidies. He’s known Donald’s against that stuff from Day One. I’m pretty sure what’s eating Elon is the inability or unwillingness to make the drastic waste, fraud and abuse cuts, and badly slowed cuts in the federal workforce.
I think he’s mad that he worked that hard, with Lutnick, to ELIMINATE the deficit spending immediately and Donald chose to get everything he could into this BBB at ANY cost, now saying it will whittle down over the next five or ten years over that.
But EVEN if Elon’s so self-interested as to get pissy over his subsidies, having believed he could cut the fat while Lutnick was pumping in new blood enough to keep them, he can’t help being seriously upset that Donald has thrown some seriously corrupt people a lifeline with this bill.
I see both sides of it. I love both of them. But I think Elon is the one who cares THE most about his country.
I don’t know anyone who has not been girding themselves to take the short term pain to get that long term gain [of our country back and NO WWIII] and Donald’s out there ripping people’s throats out for daring to stick with that original plan.
And I’m a little old lady with only Social Security to live on.
‘But I think Elon is the one who cares THE most about his country.” -nines
Sorry to differ with you there — President Trump cares more about America than Elon. Perhaps you meant South Africa re Musk?
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“Donald’s out there ripping people’s throats out for daring to stick with that original plan.” – nines
I’m not sure what you’re talking about here.
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“I love them both.” – nines
I rather doubt it,
Musk doesn’t even consider himself an American.
I’m an old lady too and have worked for everything that I have.
So…whoever you really are…….You sure do NOT know or understand Donald J. Trump the person or President Donald J. Trump, at all.
I’m calling Fookin’ BS!
Maybe China is pulling Musk’s strings. Maybe he just can’t bear being ignored.
Maybe Trump hurt his feelings. Maybe the EV gravy train is finished.
Maybe Musk is out of ideas.
Maybe he should be more concerned about raising his kids and
creating a fuel efficient vehicle.
Good luck with a third party. There’s a lot more to it than Musk may be aware of.
Can’t spend your way to change on this one Elon.
Who’s going to vote for his new party…since he burned down BOTH bridges in a highly divided country?
Askin for a friend….
You may be surprised by the number of Independents who have left the spineless republican party, and by the MANY current members of the spineless republican party that join the new party…
Face the facts… The current republican party is on it’s deathbed…
Yes, the republican party is on its deathbed, overtaken by the MAGA party!
I fully agree that the MAGA party is here, and could be of enormous help to the President..
Trouble is: President Trump still thinks the spineless republicans are his champions and continues to throw the MAGA folks “under the bus”…
Yes…at the hands of MAGA…
This is the natural progression of the TEA party….
WE AIN’T GOING AWAY!
Watch Musk slowly turn into a hero for the left. He was once upon a time.
Infantile narcissist who thinks he is so important that he must spawn as many offspring as possible, no matter that he rarely spends any time or effort on them–except for his chosen one “X”. He is repeating history with a self important absent father by becoming one himself.
I never was a fan of Ellen nor would ever be. He can go pick you know what with the chickens.
Subsidizing boutique buyers for vehicles subject to sudden inextinguishable thermal decomposition seems irresponsible.
Musk has built his wealth slurping at the taxpayer trough via government subsidies and being the largest private contractor for government. Just because he is wealthy does not make him a genius as many say. American culture today is equating wealth with genius when the two are not and never have been related. Go back to 2024 when Musk ‘interviewed Trump and one sees where Musk’s positions diverge from Trump’s. Musk was not the founder of Tesla. He was hired as the 4th CEO. Per Tesla’s SEC filings Tesla makes its money selling government invented carbon credits not cars. SpaceX was financed by the CIA financial arm In-Q-Tel. Musk like the big players from Silicon Valley are IC creations. Without IC support they would not be what they are today. Before Trump had Musk join DOGE Musk’s SpaceX was a client of USAID. USAID paid SpaceX to provide communications to Ukraine. The merger between X and AI was done to hide the financial floundering of X via having it ‘ride’ the AI hype. Some of the biggest investors in xAI are Hillary Clinton’s favorite investor Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, BlackRock, Qatar Investment Authority, Oman Investment Authority and Fidelity Investments. As with all of Musk’s companies investors are investing in Musk more so than the company. Musk a perfect example of the ‘Cult of Personality’.
No one will join him. He lacks President Trump’s leadership abilities and charisma. I guess his apology didn’t mean much.
Okay, how about some reality here.
Musk can threaten, even establish his NEW PARTY, right along side Zohran Mamdani, Democrat Primary Winner for NYC Mayor, who is for a Globalist Antifa! What a Team!
Everything is going to be free and the rich folks will conquer all.
However, to both of these ideologues; please study World History and then study AMERICAN HISTORY…and you two arrogant rich azzes are big-time windbag losers!
Both want hand outs.
Both are RICH.
Both are about to be proven just how Fookin’ Nutz they really are.
They believe they are brilliant, they can make Communism work again and the Government should and can control private industry.
Maybe that works in South Africa or in the Old Soviet Union BUT it doesn’t work today and they are about to find out that they are NOT as BRILLIANT and GENIUS as they have been lead to believe their ENTIRE PROTECTED LIVES!
This is going to get very UGLY very Quickly.
If anyone here or anywhere else in this world believes that the Billionaire, Businessman, and now the President of United States is going to go play golf, ignore this blatant in-your-face-screw-the-Constitutional-Republic syndrome that is being manifested at this point in time by these two zealous ideologues who have no idea what a Constitutional Republic is (Much less the fact that they are residents of same), then they just have not learned the lesson of what happens when President Trump is underestimated.
Fellas, you might be rich, you might be geniuses (in your own mind), you might be energetic, you might have dreams, you might be hard workers, you just might have made an effort to educate yourself and actually learned something worthwhile BUT you still have not had the opportunity and challenge to engage with President Donald J. Trump and you are now going to get that opportunity. So, don’t waste this opportunity and continue to tell the world just how you plan on destroying the economy and culture in the United States of America, a Constitutional Republic.
It it good to remember that Socialism is wonderful, until the leaders run out of other peoples’ money.
Please …. Do It! Underestimate President Donald John Trump…Do IT!!!!!!!
Where was Elon in 2021 when a lot of people on here were asking for an America First party and frustrated enough to want to break away from the GOP? Okay, he wasn’t MAGA yet. Where was he for the No Labels party thing? Eh crickets. I might disagree with Trump on any number of issues, but he didn’t just lick his finger and stick it in the air. Even then I trust Trump to do the right thing most of the time, I just don’t trust anyone he has to work with or the people giving him info. It’s like when I tell my kids they can’t do something, it’s not them I don’t trust, it’s the other people in some cases. Surface level I agree with Musk, I’m over the Uniparty and deficit spending.
“As I watch this debate unfold, I find myself finally realizing why all the Silicon Valley tech people were such staunch Democrats. Their worldview does not: (1) seem to comprehend American Economic Nationalism as a priority; (2) seem to appreciate the importance of true liberty in the creation of the remarkable outcomes from American exceptionalism; and (#3) they appear to be inside a bubble of self-interest, unattached and unaffected by the economic issues that have seriously harmed the MAGA base.”
But Musk is a hitchhiker, he saw the tea leaves in Butler and knew what everyone else knew, and he thought he could position himself accordingly. The only thing I wish he’d do is make a big enough rocket to stuff most of government in and blast it off to Mars.
Rescind the $1000 “bonus” for self deportation…
Give them 100 United States Lincoln Pennies…
Just like We should do for each and every man, woman and child in Iran…
Or any other People in the “free” world who have no pennies…
Elon is MAGA.
MAGA does not acquiesce Our God given authority to an unelected dishonorable judiciary…
When oil is at $20…
Nobody will be thinking third party.
Global Economic Emancipation courtesy of God and President Lincoln.
In God We Trust
{All others pay cash}
Trust God
Fear not
what is it with all of these Con job Foreigners who want to Run this Country their way?
its getting old
president trump should put him in charge of NASA….or announce him as the first to go on a manned mission to mars.
He could strip him of US citizenship and deport him, based on the Jun 11, 2025 DOJ memo.
And then send him to Mars?
TO THE MOON, ALICE!!!!