“This is not our war.” ~ Secretary Rubio
Secretary of State Marco Rubio speaks to reporters in Paris on April 18 about the prolonged peace talks between Russia and Ukraine. However, a frustrated Rubio warned that the U.S. could “move on” from its involvement in negotiations to end the war if no progress is made “within a matter of days and weeks.” That’s the mainstream media narrative.
The non-pretending summary is that Ukraine, France, Great Britain, the EU, NATO et al are all trying to retain their interests in the conflict. Russia has simple terms, but the war machinery controlled by the intel apparatus (CIA and EU) and the financial stakeholders in the EU region are unhappy. [Too many cooks] A frustrated Secretary Rubio says, make up your mind, if no deal – ¹we’re done. WATCH:
¹Having followed this very closely, here’s what “we’re done” likely means.
President Trump ends the USA side of the proxy war. President Trump pulls back all support for Ukraine; stops sending money, weapons and to the extent he can, intelligence to Ukraine. This opens the door for Russia to go full combat as the ground thaws, without concern for USA to engage.
The EU will have to step up with funding, intelligence and war material to continue supporting Ukraine. Rubio is calling the EU/UK bluff here because he knows without the USA the EU/UK will not commit to fight Russia.
Remember if no one does anything, Russia has already gained the ground they want and will just continue grinding western Ukraine to ever expanding rubble. Factually, doing nothing is a big win for Russia, especially if Trump withdraws.
Thank you, Sundance!
Very much appreciating Sec. of State Marco Rubio!
Should have been done on day two.
I agree, but still can’t wait for it to be official and We can wave good bye! AND salute Trump and the other negotiators.
Next stop Kosovo?? AND all other countries under our CIA plans for ‘annexation by proxy’ for money laundering, arms sales, wars, human trafficking, drug trafficking, industrial interference, assassinations, political interference…………the list goes on.
Get US out of cahoots with every monarchy, constitutional monarchy – what a hoot-, and eliminate dealing with dynastic reins- even here in the USA………freedom for citizens around the world depends on US. True freedom has a form of government free of blood lines of power.
God help US
Start thinking of the troubles brought upon US by dynasties after our hard won freedom from monarchy…..
Actually, as an example of leftwing republicanism you are promoting, Ireland didn’t work out very well. After bombing fellow Irishmen out of existence simply because they were Protestant and wanted Constitutional monarchy, the Irish republicans got Black African Catholic Mayors and Black-Hindu Prime Ministers, and Ireland has a It’s now just a tax province for globalist corporations.
‘Left wing republicanism’ wasn’t and isn’t Irelands problem nor mine.
The English monarchy is Ireland’s problem; they never escaped the hold and the division it made in Ireland. From land to souls the monarchy has divided Ireland; a divided country is virtually doomed to problems; don’t you think they know that and maintain ‘their’ hold.
Immigration into AND from Ireland changed it’s face many times. The influx of Irish immigrants to the USA helped make US great, by the way. Is the influx of immigrants into Ireland changing it’s face for the good?? You don’t seem to think so.
Ireland has been used and abused like the rest of the world AND it ain’t because of ‘leftwing republicanism’ what ever that may be!!
When abortion comes on the scene in full force expect the worst. Get it?? Monarchies demand control and when they can control to the point of getting rid of a new generation by their own hands………the people are duped every time!
God Help US
Absolutely correct! A horrible abomination periptrated by war mongers weilding enough power to steal the highest offices in world. Except for one.
I agree in theory but in reality the game had to be played. The game showed the world citizens that the U.S. via Trump was pushing for peace, I would say relentlessly pushing for peace. Putin also showed he was willing to push for peace (despite the drones and comments by Zelensky). Then, as none of that works the talks get better and bam, a peace agreement is in draft form. Here comes the EU, via Macron. They obviously don’t’ agree with the terms. Now, when the war continues, it will be all on the EU.
But, we all know…..the peace agreement will be signed not to long after the US is done.
You can’t have peace unless both sides want it. Putin doesn’t want peace, he wants Ukraine, and the destruction of NATO. Ukraine doesn’t want peace, it wants independence and liberty. Even if Putin succeeds in conquering and depopulating even ethnically cleaning Ukraine, millions of Ukrainians both inside and outside of Ukraine will continue to resist. A long drawn out campaign of guerrilla warfare, terror and counter terror, assassination, and sabotage will spread across Europe featuring anti-Russia and pro-Russia interests. People who simply want to give up cheer leading from the sidelines for one side usually still get smothered in the riots of the losers and victors after every soccer game.
That is not what Putin and Lavrov are saying. They want a secure Western border with Ukraine and having Ukraine as part of NATO does not cut the mustard.
Since November 2021, when the Russians first proposed a plan, their terms have gradually become tougher for Ukraine. Evolving, as events on the ground moved on and the Russian blood investment grew, from a federal full size country with rights for minorities to effective partition or worse.
Your view is so skewed I don’t know where to start!
All your labels are placed on the wrong people! Confusion is not your intention though.
Nefarious Instigation at it’s worst is a trait of the weakest of the weak; divide and stand back on the sidelines; that’s what you accuse others of……but it is more your style!
BINGO !
If the war continues after the US pulls support the media, Dems and many Rinos will blame it on PDJT. May use it as grounds for impeachment. Some RINOs may support this. My point is PDJT has to tread carefully.
Why in the world would he be impeached for withdrawing American aid to Ukraine?
Why in the world was President Trump ALREADY impeached for making a phone call to Ukraine!? 🤷♂️
Because Vindman is Zelensky’s rat ; his fate should have already been sealed .
Impeachment is a political process.
Impeachment is a political
processdog and pony show…………The RINOS in Congress are beholden to the oligarchs that desire Russia’s natural resources ( After they exploit those of Ukraine ) . Their master plan is to achieve a two class society worldwide ; the elites and those who do their bidding .
If Trump had walked away on day two and Russia crushed Ukraine in a few weeks then he would have been blamed for “losing” the war and Biden, the EU and demonrats who started the war would have skated. He has played this smart, given peace a chance. Now when he walks away and they blame him he can say he tried but the west didn’t want peace. Brilliant in my book and now he can turn his attention to the middle east.
Yep, President Trump gave them a ton of rope.
He plays the long game. We will eventually be good allies with Eastern Europe and Russia as in 60 years Great Britian and Western Europe will be controlled by Muslims and will be our enemies.
In 60 years America might be controlled by muslims.
Remember the words of Admiral Yamamoto when asked about invasion of the US mainland during WWII ; ” in America there is a rifle behind every blade of grass ” . We the people are well aware of the horde .
To keep President Trump’s enemies (including RINOs looking for any excuse) from spinning the Russia Russia Russia nonsense and how we’re “abandoning an ally (impeach! Impeach! IMPEACH!)” we needed this period of demonstrating reason and attempts at peace.
Now the majority of even lower-info citizens can see the Ukrainian/EU/NATO intransigence (Malonie’s little attempt at running things under President Trump’s nose at the presser yesterday don’t help them) it becomes much easier to sell walking away.
I imagine the diplomatic version would read something like…
“We tried and Russia was willing, but the EU/NATO profit off the war too much to be good faith actors in peace talks. We will continue talks with all parties interested in peace (i.e. we’ll get relations normalized with Russia after a bit of cooldown), but will be pursuing options to cut ties with those seeking only continued death and destruction (i.e. we’ll be leaving NATO at our earliest convenience… and don’t expect any favorable EU trade deals either). ”
My hunch is we’ll see and end to Russian sanctions and probably a favorable trade deal with them by mid-summer and an announcement of our intent to leave NATO in very late June so that our official exit (one year notice is required) coincides with the 250th Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 2026.
If the political capital is in place, I’d expect our exit from the UN on Independence Day too. President Trump is always the showman and that would be a show for the ages.
Adios muchachos we tried, gave it our best shot. Good luck
Sounds like a plan to me!
First, when the ground thaws in Ukraine there is mud; not the time to advance but to wait.
Second, Russia has not yet secured the four oblasts it accepted into the Russian Federation – something like 12% left to take. Once they take those – and they soon will – then a significant juncture will open up:
RF might offer a ceasefire during which elections can be held. US could insist or withdraw support – which may be why Trump has not already withdrawn it, to wait until doing so has the most effect.
After elections a lawful President will be in a position to negotiate a binding agreement; this is not now currently the case which is why any ceasefire at this point is not only unrealistic (because Russia is winning but has not yet secured all her oblasts*) but also counterproductive. Quite possibly the US team simply didn’t grok this at first, but probably by the end of their first two meetings they did. They are working on a long-term geopolitical security architecture wherein Ukraine is a small, but important, example, not the main course.
*Note: If Russia has not secured the four oblasts, presumably this means they were also not secured during the referendum votes. Although they were monitored by some (which most Western governments insist is not the case) if during the vote a large part of the oblast was held by Ukrainians, presumably those areas didn’t vote. Therefore I suspect there is a valid objection to the results of those referenda. Possibly, then, during any cease-fire elections, internationally monitored referenda can take place again in each of the four oblasts whose results will be respected. Crimea too perhaps. Then settle that issue once and for all. Then craft a new security arrangement.
Bear in mind:
• Russia is rapidly moving into MULTIPLE Oblasts beyond the 4 that voted to join Russia and were officially accepted by Russia’s legislature and President Putin. Those additional Oblasts will be given the option to vote to join Russia as well.
• Russia is committed to creating a Buffer Zone wide enough to preclude further missile attacks against its civilians and cities. This would be a MINIMUM of 2 Oblasts WIDE along the Black Sea and Russia’s Western Border with Ukraine.
• Russia must first DESTROY Ukraine’s Neo-Nazi Leadership-and-Followers (military & civilian) to accomplish Russia’s De-NAZIfication REQUIREMENT, and then DESTROY Ukraine’s Military MANPOWER and their Military-Industrial Complex CAPACITY To accomplish Russia’s De-Militarization REQUIREMENT to end the conflict.
“Russia is committed to creating a Buffer Zone wide enough to preclude further missile attacks against its civilians and cities. This would be a MINIMUM of 2 Oblasts WIDE along the Black Sea and Russia’s Western Border with Ukraine.”
No, Russia’s commitment to a missile free zone isn’t simply for short range missiles, it’s for medium range ballistic missiles which essentially means a zone from the borders of Germany to Russia. Putin wants the Finlandization of Poland, the Baltic States, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Slovakia and their subordination to a Neo-Warsaw Pact.
Can’t stop fighting the last war, can you. Take it elsewhere, glowie.
Excellent analysis.
I like your thinking Scorpion.
Between a rock and a hard spot? That doesn’t symbolize one of our favorite coup-sters getting his/her comeuppance, does it?
So. maybe Trump did Ukraine a favor by waiting until the ground thawed…
No going back for a new referendum vote on the oblasts. Just because the western portion of the oblast has not been secured does not negate the referendum of prior. Ukraine has had soldiers in the oblast fighting to repel RU for the entire SMO.
The Ukrainian parliament voted to extend the period martial law yesterday.
The war would end tomorrow if Zelensky the fraud would resign…
provided the CIA is prevented from finding another puppet and instigating more aggression
They have plenty of those lounging around, and the CIA will never stop being the aggressor.
Exactly what I’ve been saying for months!
Unless the EU decides to do it without him…stupider things have been done…such as the drama we are watching unfold in El Salvador over that “Maryland resident”. LOL!
Zelensky isn’t making Ukrainians fight, Putin is doing that.
Watch Dems arrange Judge Boasberg ruling Trump administration must continue the war in days not weeks…
Lowest Fed District Court judge – has never had the authority to make any rulings overriding the Executive Branch, especially outside of his district, and he knows it…but likely getting paid to shill for the Deep State. Wouldn’t surprise any of us if he did as you suggest. Just when we think they can’t stoop any lower on the demented scale…they do. The Dem’s are at the bottom of the hole…and good for us…continue to dig it deeper, accelerating off the cliff into the abyss. I’m fine with that.
Hopefully the hole is in the middle of an overhang of a cliff.
hahahahahah
Would like to see some FISA surveillance applied to ol’ domestic threat Boasberg to see who all he’s communicating with and what they’re discussing… but oh wait, he’s on the FISA court.
“……………to see who all he’s communicating with and what they’re discussing…”
Can’t say for sure what they’re discussing, but as for whom…..well I think their initials are: Mary McCord………….
Very smart strategically & tactically.
Make the CIA/DS/D’s/EU & Zellie own the outcome.
Likely Witkoff (as President Trump’s representative) proposed this move to Putin a few days ago.
Very smart.
agree.
and i hope we do walk away.
but as another poster pointed out, quite rightly,
if it were easily done it would have already been done.
the DS across the “western world” is unlikely to go belly up on this.
however, if S. Rubio is making this statement now,
i’m fervently hoping it means that PT has enough ducks in a row to make it stick without serious repercussions.
if PVP has PDJT’s back on this, and i think that likely, it could happen.
steady everybody.🙏🏻
Honesty is the way to defeat them.
And politically smart too.
Pro Tip from Japan: “Sayonara”
Good luck EU. Without our strength, you are done.
the only chance their balls drop is if we let them deal with their own problems.
It’s time.
Can’t say I blame him. Germany talking about supplying missiles to Ukraine. UK wanting to put boots on the ground with, “The willing”. Get out and let them deal with the consequences
And then when they get their butts kicked by Russia don’t bail them out when they come running back to us for help.
Methinks the UK and the EU did not game-plan any of this beforehand…or, perhaps they did, but the scenario they game-planned didn’t include our Genius President Trump sitting in the Oval Office…which begs the question of who all was in on the attempted assassinations of President Trump.
As in the 1700’s, the idiots across the pond have learned absolutely nothing.
“Methinks the UK and the EU did not game-plan any of this beforehand…or, perhaps they did,…….”
Yes, they did. But…………he wasn’t supposed to
winsurvive……….War with Iran Would Be Trump’s Waterloo
President Trump should tell Neocons to go jump in a lake.
JOHN LEAKE
APR 18, 2025
“….The primary intellectual deficiency of the Neocon clique that all of their mental energy is directed as getting rid of bad guys, with apparently zero thought given to who will replace the bad guys. This is especially evident in the case of Russia. If these schemers and their friends in the CIA succeed in getting rid of Vladimir Putin, who do they believe will replace him?
It was precisely this kind of scheming that led the British and the French to believe it would be a good thing to get rid of Ottoman rule in the Middle East. In 1916, the British and French essentially redrew the map of the entire region with their Sykes–Picot Agreement.
One could easily make the argument that all the bloody tribal and religious conflict in the region that has happened ever since probably wouldn’t have happened if the Ottomans had remained in charge.
Neocon policy wonks are—like millions of Americans—given to the comic book concept that humanity can be neatly divided into good guys and bad guys, and that improving humanity is always just a matter of getting rid of the bad guys. This overlooks this essential fact that is expressed (literally or metaphorically, take your pick) in the Book of Genesis—namely, that man is a fallen and fractured created who must constantly contend with his own depravity….”
https://open.substack.com/pub/petermcculloughmd/p/war-with-iran-would-be-trumps-waterloo
War with Iran and China might be the added incentive now for Trump to make the walk-away decision.
There might be another more interesting war to pivot to!
Walk-away “This is biden’s war” was the go-to strategy on day 1 of the presidency.
Now it could also be construed as a practical choice to a pivot to a more interesting war.
Personally though I do not think the US is in a position currently (economy, debt situation, deficit, growing social and societal issues like with education going all DEI haywire) to win Ukraine, in Iran nor in a war with China. Let alone all three at the same time.
I was going to post on the Presidential thread, but then this column showed up.
I posted it here because there are some points that apply to both situations.
Who ran Biden ?
Isn’t the better question:
Who ran the Obama holdovers who were running the autopen?
For one, Victoria Nuland and Samantha Powers.
Soetero , Valerie Jarrett , and Susan Rice are also neck deep in this excrement . The White House staffer that the whistleblower claimed everyone else was afraid of is another . The list is long and must be addressed completely. Survival of our republic depends on it .
Philosophical thougjt:
At what point does “wanting to get rid of bad guys” makes you yourself “the bad guy”?
How many “bad guys” must one depose of before making you the bad guy. By what moral authority as well do you decide what is good and bad. I suppose we used to have the Church and the Pope for this, but with de-christianization of the Western nations, what is the playbook?
Are the good ones the ones that “defend Democracy”? (By sometimes weird means of cancelling elections, banning political descent, beating up protestors etc.)
There is plenty of “bad” stuff happening in the world that nobody seems to care about, so one must start to think is there more is in play other than just “good” or “bad”… like oil, resources and dollars.
Not looking for an answer but good thing to think about.
I like to keep it simple.
We should mind our own business and steer clear of foreign entanglements.
All the ways of a man are clean in his own sight, But the LORD weighs the motives.
(Proverbs 16:2)
This explains (partly, remember Pike) the muslim/third world invasions to destroy Western Civilization. Now was Gen Clark saying this as a NATO Commander? As A Democrat and or Democrat Presidential candidate?
Great example. Thank you for posting.
The rot and corruption runs deep on all levels.
As Dr. Michael Savage started saying years ago, a country is defined by borders, language and culture.
God himself instituted Nationalism in the bible after the Tower of Babel.
Satan and the children of disobedience are diametrically opposed to the will of God.
Is he a friend or family of Barbara Lerner Spectre?
Brainwashing at its finest.
Wes is an overeducated nitwit.
The Ottoman Empire was Muslim. No way that was a good idea.
The Lord Jesus Christ is going to take care of the Moslems before he sets up his Millennial Kingdom.
They were over there, we are over here.
If the Ottomans would’ve remained in charge, South Eastern Europe would’ve been invaded long ago, and Europe would now be dealing with Moslem colonists all united under the Ottoman Sultan’s banner. White Sex trafficking into the harems of Moslems would be on steroids and would be combined with the Moslem Rape gangs of England and other parts of Europe. The Arab tribal leaders would still be fighting amongst themselves and with Ottomans but with more advanced weaponry. It would be a new dark age. Thank God the Ottoman Empire was dismembered and thrown in the trash heap of history. It’s a tragedy we didn’t recover Constantinople from the Turk.
Battle of Kosovo 1389 – Serbian-Ottoman Wars DOCUMENTARY
I did not write what I posted; however, for the most part all those things have continued with Western MSM turning a blind eye to it all.
https://jihadwatch.org/
Oh, ye of the ‘EMPIRE’ mindset speaks again! With a forked tongue as expected.
““….The primary intellectual deficiency of the Neocon clique that all of their mental energy is directed as getting rid of bad guys, with apparently zero thought given to who will replace the bad guys. ”
I wonder if it’s really about getting rid of “bad guys.”
I wonder if it’s just that the neocons have found a niche that gives them power and wealth, with “bad guys” being a useful prop.
I am sure that the Neocons could come up with numerous justifications for what they want to do.
Proverbs 16:2 KJV
All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the Lord weigheth the spirits.
Been saying this since President Trump was elected and glad to see his administration catch on to the fact that “THIS IS NOT OUR WAR.”
Yes, the CIA and the Four Horsewomen of the Apocalypse started it, but we can and need to just walk away. It has taken way too much political capital to negotiate. Focus on DOGE and trade deals and our own border.
“Yes, the CIA and the Four Horsewomen of the Apocalypse started it, but we can and need to just walk away. ”
we can walk away but lets not pretend that we did not start it and sustain it until now. The CIA, etc. are agents of the USA. We should take responsibility as a nation for what we did.
“Taking responsibility” usually means opening our doors to their thousands of refugees.
How about ZERO…Send them to UK/EU…pizz on them. In fact, send the ones we already have here back to the UK/EU…or germany
The CIA is rogue. They bear the responsibility.
I cannot seem to remember a single time that I voted for a secret police spy state to literally create wars!
the CIA is not representative of any of my values.
and besides that, lets be clear on this matter, the CIA has never even attempted to maintain peace. It’s a war and destruction agenda to reshape political and economic lines.
I highly recommend the interview if Weldon and Tucker to get a very good idea of what the secret police spy state actually does….why they do it and what are the effects and costs to human lives.
spoiler: to enrich themselves…these are people who get filthy rich by creating conflict for the explicit purpose of exploiting those conflicts and stealing money.?
there is no such thing as “we should take responsibility “as a nation” for what “we” did”.
we DID NOT DO THAT…and it’s past time pretending WE DID.
the CIA is not pro-america. it’s exists inside the “agency” of the United States to provide its own shadow world cover and protection. It hides behind the biggest and most powerful military the world has ever known. It trades in deceit, destruction of lives and criminal conspiracy.
now if that’s your cup of tea and you think that is what “America stands for” and that “we” are somehow responsible for the actions of these criminals, then they have already won the psyops warfare with you.
please don’t drink that Kool aid. it will LITERALLY GET YOUR KILLED>
God Bless America
No, we the people, through our elected representatives, did not declare war against Russia.
Yet, with our missiles and technology, we have killed a lot of Russians. Like it or not, that responsibility devolves upon We the People, who, as China accurately put it, got “fat and happy” and forgot, during the last three decades, to hold our government to account – especially the cancerous growth of surveillance which stem from Bush 43’s actions after 9/11, and the CIA’s coordinated efforts to overthrow foreign governments.
Russia arguably has a casus belli against the USA people, overall.
To sharpen the pencil finer, maybe Putin should declare war on the CIA and other Deep State actors, who are perpetuating the deaths of Russian soldiers without any electoral mandate from We the People. Zelensky and Democrats went to an American missile factory and signed some of the friggin’ missiles!!!!
Maybe Trump and Putin together can declare the CIA, et al, a terrorist organization?
Just musing, and trying to follow a logical chain of thoughts to hypothetical things, which seem to be in the way of ending the Ukraine War.
Yes, American voters got lazy and sloppy. No, we didn’t agree to go to war.
Collective punishment sucks. I am glad that Putin, so far, has avoided direct attacks on America – considering American missiles, guided by American intelligence are landing on RUSSIAN SOIL.
May God bless and protect President Trump and Secretary Rubio!
This is absolutely the correct and moral thing to do, but the Globalist Deep State/UniParty won’t like it. Neither will the EuroTrash grifters.
I personally don’t care at all what any of those scumbags thinks, but that particular class of vermin is dangerous.
It’s telling – and troubling – that pulling support from Ukraine is being framed as some masterstroke rather than what it actually is: abandoning an ally mid-invasion and handing geopolitical leverage to an authoritarian regime.
Calling this “not our war” oversimplifies a conflict that has major implications for global security, NATO credibility, and the precedent we set for how aggression is handled. If Russia is allowed to rewrite borders by force, what stops the next autocrat with a map and a grudge?
YES, the EU should absolutely shoulder more responsibility – but U.S. withdrawal isn’t a power move. It’s an exit strategy dressed up as strategy, and one that could very well signal to our allies that American leadership is transactional, not principled.
Sometimes “we’re done” doesn’t mean we’re strong. It just means we’re tired – and pretending that fatigue equals wisdom is a dangerous miscalculation.
My $.02
I would encourage to keep saving the 2 cents and invest in a book at the thriftstore about the history of Ukraine and the color revolution in 2014 and such. (Nuland handing out cookies on the Maidan square is a good chapter)
Then the 0.02 cents will have acrued interest and amount to 25 cent posts!
A good investment.
I’m actually pretty familiar with the 2014 Maidan protests, the leaked Nuland call, and the broader geopolitical chessboard.
But here’s the thing: acknowledging the West’s messy fingerprints on Ukraine’s past doesn’t justify Russia’s full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation in 2022. Historical context is important – but it’s not a blank check for authoritarian expansionism.
If we’re going to hold the West accountable for interference, let’s also be honest about what it looks like when a regime tries to redraw borders with tanks and missiles. Two things can be true: the West has made mistakes, and Putin is exploiting those to justify something far more dangerous.
Ukraine War: “It’s Not About Nato” (Matt Orfalea, Compilation, 2023)
https://odysee.com/@swprs:3/ukraine-war-not-about-nato-2023:e?lid=34e2d591d264cd70634307523f223649ade9e76a
Ukraine kept violating Minsk peace accords against ethnic cleansing in the Donbas region. NATO kept breaking promises they would not move a meter closer to Russia until they were at its border and plans were drawn up to divide Russia into microstates (we even named and designed flags for them) based on how best we could exploit them for resources.
But Russia was the aggressor in this.
If you want to go support your ally (Ukraine’s government certainly isn’t mine), the airport is that way. If your intent is that my money should be confiscated and given to foreign regimes and my Godkids drafted into some endless war whose only goal is enriching globalist oligarchs, well, you can just eff off.
Two wrongs does not make a right, but how about this:
How do you justify Ukraine shelling and bombing Russian civilians in Donetsk city?
How do you justify Ukraine making Russian civilians a /secondary class of citizens, banning Russian books and banning Russian orthodox church?
I am curious how someone would square that circle with saying Russian is the unprovoked aggressor.
Lavrov at one point once said Russia did not start the war.. That it was Ukraine that started the war against Russian speaking civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk. But that Russia would finish and put an end to the war Ukraine declared on its own civilians.
According to Russia they are stopping the war against.. basically Russians. The 4 oblasts are pretty much 90-95% of Russian descent. This by clearing the military buildup in Ukraine and deposing the Banderite [Nazi’s and what not] regime that has coup’ed a democratically elected government in Ukraine.
For the US it was all convenient as they could use the hate of the Banderites against Russia to use the Ukrainian population as a battering ram against Russia. With the hope of that it would topple the Russian regime and replace it with something favorable to the West (and to get a hold of more of Russian resources…)
Two perspectives. Complex subject.
Bravo!
Neocons can pound sand. For free.
Dan: Many in the MAGA movement would prefer that we walk away from all foreign entanglements that do not have DIRECT implications for the security of the homeland. You are caught in the mindset that because the USA has participated in or caused these conflicts for 100 years that we need to continue this path. The only interest this particular conflict is protecting are corporate interests and not those of the US taxpayer being asked to fund it.
I get the appeal of walking away from foreign entanglements – especially after the cost of wars that delivered more disillusionment than clarity. But not all global conflicts are created equal, and disengagement isn’t the same as neutrality – it’s a choice with consequences.
In this case, Ukraine isn’t just about corporate interests. It’s about whether powerful nations can erase borders and rewrite sovereignty by force. That DOES have implications for U.S. security – just not in the immediate, headline-grabbing way MAGA voices tend to prioritize. If we allow that precedent to stand, what does that signal to China about Taiwan, or to other authoritarian regimes about Western resolve?
True strength doesn’t always mean pulling back and guarding the gates. Sometimes it means standing firm alongside allies to shape the world before threats come knocking at the homeland’s door. The cost of engagement is real – but so is the cost of retreat.
My $.02
The Clinton Admin & the NATO Nazi’s did a great job at that with their Op Punishment II and illegally stealing Kosovo from Serbia.
” It’s about whether powerful nations can erase borders and rewrite sovereignty by force. ”
Show me any time in human history when this has NOT been the truth.
You seem to think our involvement isn’t also a powerful nation forcing its will to rewrite sovereignty.
Typical Leftist thinking… its only bad when someone does it to us, never when we do it to others.
must really suck to be so confused
Do you have, like, a ton of stock in body bags?
NO MORE AMERICAN BLOOD SHED FOR COUNTRIES THAT, AFTER HUNDREDS OF YEARS, CANNOT FIGHT THEIR WAY OUT OF A WET PAPER BAG! Leave them to be the craven souls they are.
“It’s about whether powerful nations can erase borders and rewrite sovereignty by force.”
Signs point to yes.
The people who think we should walk away from all foreign entanglements are simpletons. There is no future America where we’ve retreated to our borders and shorelines which are packed full of scores of millions of foreign colonists and not expect the fragmentation of America like Yugoslavia.
Smedley Butler: all wars are corporate rackets
I have Lyndon Johnson on line two. Care to pick up?
Pick up what? Er… Dominos? 😉
Obama/Biden administrations already signaled to our allies that American leadership is not principled by provoking the war they wanted with Russia. New Trump/MAGA administration is right to stop it or walk away.
Exploiting a hapless, corrupt country like Ukraine to bleed Russia through an open-ended and obviously failing proxy war is stupid and needs to stop.
If Ukraine and Europe want to continue the war, that’s their choice. Article 5 is not a mutual suicide pact.
Secretary Rubio just gave them their last chance to exit this debacle with some face still left to save.
Absolutely agree…..’Have a good tine, but try not to get to too much troubles…..’
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This is not about “global security”. This is about oligarch and corruptocrat greed.
Ukraine is not our ally, and Zelensky is an unreasonable puppet stupidly still siding with those stakeholders (unfortunately too many in the United States as well as E.U. all of whom who need to be slapped down) who poked Russia into this war, and whose interests are in seeing this war continue because they currently are making money off of the blood of soldiers, and/or because they have ulterior motives that include the future raping Ukrainian assets.
Give the territories east of the Dnieper to Russia — because they are Russian, excise the Nazis, declare that Ukraine henceforth will remain neutral and not a member of NATO, and be DONE with it.
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OC speaking the TRUTH! And even it were about “global security” we should still walk away. The US treasury is exhausted (as are the taxpayers that fund it) from being the global policeman. I am only interested in National Security starting with a border that is protected, an economy that is protected from unfair trade and cities that are free from drugs, crime and sex trafficking.
It’s absolutely valid to question the motives of power players and profiteers – war does create opportunities for corruption, and there’s no denying that some have exploited this conflict for personal or political gain. But reducing the entire war in Ukraine to a proxy battle for oligarchs ignores the reality on the ground: millions of Ukrainians didn’t ask for their homes to be invaded, their cities shelled, or their sovereignty erased.
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Ethnic Russians in east Ukraine have been harassed and oppressed by Russia-hating Nazis for years now, and would prefer to be, voted to be, part of Russia. They weren’t “invaded” any more than they were being “liberated”. The money interests have been exploiting the Ukraine since the fall of the USSR and the artificial creation of this entire territory, that for hundreds of years has been a part of Russia, as a separate nation.
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and millions of Americans never voted to fund a war or to send weapons and have secret police spy state actors in Ukraine “representing US interests either”.
its a stark contrast to Americans to see just how wickedly willing former administrations have been to throw BILLONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO CONTINUE THIS BLOODY WAR AND NOT A SINGLE EFFORT TO DESCALATE IT.
and yet we also see the same former administrations, did every single thing in their power to make America UNSAFE by allowing illegal people to enter and then also to pay them to do it.
you can’t possible ignore these as coincidences.
you can’t simplify this as we have a responsibility argument. that dog don’t hunt.
It’s about setting the correct and immediate priorities to restore the security OF THE UNITED STATES.
If you personally feel committed, I highly recommend you follow on with that and join the Ukrainian army. Seriously. Just pop on over there…there is no one stopping you.
God Bless America
That’s good counsel coming from an outhouse!!! Especially the “be DONE with it” part!!! No more funding, no more weapons, no more satellite access, no NATO membership!!!
Allies?
familiar
interference
dangerous
Nothing short of Treason and Sedition, Madame Governor/Senator/Advisor.
ps; Arizona will shake off the Cartel Employees Hobbs and Gallegos who criminally occupy your seats, and the Maricopa Board of Election Fraud who installed them for the Obiden Traffickers, in the Name of King Jesus we agree and decree, Amen!
Psalm 37
10 A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
though you look for them, they will not be found.
11 But the meek will inherit the land
and enjoy peace and prosperity.
12 The wicked plot against the righteous
and gnash their teeth at them;
13 but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
for he knows their day is coming.
Yes, Lord!
Good! NATO deserves to be smashed!
NATO should be dissolved. Some member countries don’t even border the Atlantic. Russia is no longer the Cold War empire builder it once was. Based on what Sundance has reported, my own personal conversations with some Russian people, and what I’ve read, I believe most people in the U.S. and Russia are very similar. We want to be free to live our lives. Warmongers everywhere are the ones that want constant conflict so they can keep the money flowing. Put the lid on them and the vast majority of problems in the world will go away.
Bot time
I second that opinion Dan.
Are you bot buddies?
If we stay in it will be Trump’s Vietnam. Once we stop paying for the Ukranian pensions their economy will collapse. We can redraw European borders, it has happened all the time, e.g., Kosovo and all of Yugoslavia. We tried to dismember Russia and failed. The new borders will have to be approved by the UN Security Council. If the UK keeps egging the Ukranians on Russia will take the old country of our Neocons, Odessa and Dniepro.
Quite frankly, I could care less if Ukraine was ground into ruble. Heck, I might even cheer if it does.
Ukrainians are a threat to democracy.
Crossfire Hurricane 2: Build Back Terror
Calling The Behavior Panel: What does Nuland’s heavily increased blinking rate indicate? Lying?
Extreme stress because the hens are coming home to roost. That bloated witch will have a heart attack soon.
“Better late than never.”
Maybe dining with Macron and Blue Cheese finally made Rubio see the light
The blue cheese I added, its not a confirmed fact 😀
Also face this might be necessity as well, as the alternative will be Trump having to go to Congress to apply for more money to send to Ukraine – as the Biden funding runs out by June’ish. That will be hard to digest for MAGA base.
Rubio says “its not our war, we didnt start it”
I beg to differ, the USA started the war in Ukraine when it fomented the coup against an elected Ukraine president.
Also, I seem to remember that Europe was not originally interested in provoking Russia or in sanctioning Russia and it was us who pushed them into it.
I cannot pretend the the elephant is not in the room. Although we want to end this war we should not pretend that the major player in starting the war was not the USA.
Yes, under Barry O
We, the USA are responsible for what our cia and president did. We can change course, we can disagree with them but it does not change that WE the USA did it. They are still doing stuff and we are still responsible for them until we stop them doing stuff.
it’s not our war. An ousted illegitimate regime instigated it.
Although I agree, it was still done by the USA so lets not pretend we have clean hands.
All the more reason to put an END to it and all the bloodshed.
This is NOT a war supported by the American people. It was triggered by Victoria Nuland, the CIA and other Leftists and neocons and supported by the Military Industrial Complex who are profiting in the billions of dollars, in the manufacture and sale of endless weapons of death.
It is driven by gigantic global corporations anxious to steal and sell the vast natural resources of BOTH Ukraine and Russia. Russia has more natural resources than the United States.
Yes and they did and do it in our name, with our taxes and with our support. We cannot pretend that some other entity did it. They are still doing stuff.
It was triggered by Ukrainian nationalists. They were sick of Russia’s corrupt influence in the country, with their mafyas, political racketeering, street level assassinations, and general domineering in internal affairs. Their revolt was aided and abetted by your aforementioned, but they just supplied more gasoline. The nationalists wanted to burn the Russian influence out. Putin got mad and escalated to full warfare, cuz, well Russian domineering of Ukraine.
We started it and we’re ending it. Somebody has to call out the CIA and reveal them and Biden as the guilty party, not the current administration.
Trump would much prefer to be a peace broker and have that on his resume than walking away. He’s not being allowed that option.
I agree, but WE the USA did it, WE started it.
“We” is not the PDJT admin
I refuse to “own” the actions of a government that was illegitimately elected. The evidence of a stolen election in 2020 is overwhelming. It is neither responsible nor moral to “own” such decisions made by despicable, amoral and lawless people that the majority of Americans never supported. The only moral things to do is refuse to have anything to do with it.
stop it with the “we” reference.
you didn’t do that, I did not do that. 330 million Americans did not do that.
it was one particular blood thirtsty political party and senile navel gazing president and the light bringer from Chicago WHO DID THAT>
put the blame and the responsibility where it actually belongs.
what you are saying demands that “we the people” don’t have a choice in what our “government” has done.
That is nonsense.
it’s 2025. Not the Vietnam era. We demand our government NOT start wars that we have no interest in. It’s just that simple. And THAT IS WHY MANY OF US VOTED FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP IF YOU DIDN’T NOTICE>
He campaigned on it. STOP THE KILLING.
also this: does it occur to you that WITHOUT THE US INVOLVEMENT this war will end quite quickly….forcing Ukraine and Russia to come to terms?
see the problem many have overlooked> WHEN THE US STICKS ITS NOSE INTO THING…WE END UP MAKING IT FAR WORSE…and that is because DC only knows how to solve conflict ONE WAY: DEATH
these are the facts.
What President Trump is doing is not abandoning Ukraine, but putting the interests of the United States FIRST…and in doing so, by no longer committing weapons of war to be signed over to Ukraine, will ensure this war ends very quickly. you may not like the method, but it does work.
NATO is not going to be able to supply or support Ukraine. It does not have that kind of fire power, and more importantly the political or the guts to march into a fire fight.
protip: when the US withdrawals also means the potential for nuclear war dramatically collapses back to a conventional state of war.
God Bless America
I agree with you. I would also say we absolutely have the duty to defend Israel because we started all of that. The difference is that I don’t see what there is to defend in Ukraine. The threat to Israel is existential, while the threat in Ukraine is just another European ethnic re-alignment. We have no mandate to follow Europe into WW3 as an extension of the territorial wars they have been fighting forever. We are the New Atlantis and it’s past time we stopped trying to drag the rest of the world along with us.
Sadly, you’re correct. We stuck our noses where we had no business.
Nor did we live up to Minsk I and Minsk II. Allowing a NATO state on a Russian border was a definite red line for Russia. So this is what happened.
I’m saddened Gonzolo Lira wasn’t able to make it out alive. No US Senator went to see about getting him released.
Crossfire Hurricane 5: Build Back Burdens
ON THE FRONTLINE OF UKRAINE’S PROTESTS
“President Yanukovych said last night that he was ready for talks, but the opposition say they need to have some of the demands of these protesters met before they’ll sit around the table with President Yanukovych.”
I guess you haven’t heard..the USA has been given back to We The People.
Our elections were rigged for decades by the swamp, and We The People are done with that BS!
“This is not our war, anymore” there I fixed it for you Sec. Rubio.
Pull everything. Today.
Thats more honest but lets not pretending we are “holier than thou”, we pushed Ukraine into this situation. We should make those in our nation who did it pay for their crimes. Ukraine was not at war before we came along and meddled in their country.
Bronco Bamas Coven of The Color Revolution! That who!
Very glad Sec’y Rubio makes clear that Ukraine is not our war and we didn’t start it.
Au Contraire, Mi Amigo. “We”, which includes the CIA, started the war under a different administration. Now we want to end it, under a new administration.
“We” is not the PDJT admin
How many times did candidate and then President Trump say OVER and OVER ~ ~ there wouldn’t have been a war if he were the president …. Over and over. ?? Amigo, you know.
Finally!
I wonder where the people “whose war it is” are ?
They are here in the USA harassing Trump
where
“Our biggest danger is from within.”
— Donald J. Trump, April 9, 2022
Don’t talk about it, just do it. We also need to get out of NATO.
Factually, doing nothing is a big win for Russia, especially if Trump withdraws.
If the US walks away from Ukraine, they will have nothing to attack Russia with other than bodies. After that ends Russia will have set up effective defenses and consolidate control of whatever areas they want. The War is over.
If the US walks away from Ukraine, the Ukrainians will get no help in reconstruction and the people will remove that not funny comedian Napoleon. Maybe after a more reasonable government takes over and spills the beans about how this started and how they were involved in Trumps impeachment, Russia and America might work together to help with rebuilding.
Actually, the Ukrainians will go to guerrilla warfare. Imagine Banderites but now better armed, supplied, and supported. The Ukrainians fought for nearly 10 years against the Soviets after WWII with very little Western supports. The Soviets had a hard time securing it.
This time, with Ukraine far less isolated than before, with far more independent military support and structure, the war in occupied Ukraine and even into Russia will never end. Imagine millions of drones pounding on the heads of Russians for all eternity. That’s a future Putin is sending them too.
A small expansion of your comment.
“The Ukrainian NAZIs fought for nearly 10 years against the UKRAINIAN AND RUSSIAN Soviets after WWII with very little Western supports OTHER THAN THE US OSI. The Soviets had a VERY hard time securing it BUT DID.”
I have little doubt that the Russians can, if they want to be, be ruthless enough to eliminate any opposition as their society works differently to ours. In addition, judging by the dramatic restoration of Mariopol currently underway, many in western Ukraine will likely be wanting to be in the Russian areas.
Bear in mind that most of the current Azov (today’s NAZIs) will likely have moved into the EU to get out of the way of the wrath of the Russians and may be causing chaos in that ‘soft’ society.
There is articles out there about Ukraine Neo-Nazis agitating and doing violence to help the J6 Fedsurrection Psyop. Ukraine interfered against our President Donald J Trump in the 2016 elections, 2020, and 2024 which was their attempted assassinations of our America First President.
Go look at the current status of Mariupol for how quick and effective Russia rebuilds for her people.
If only Detroit could be so lucky.
The USA needs to stop all war funding of Ukraine and walk away. This will lead to Ukraine and Europe to beg the USA to broker peace because without the USA Russia will take over all of Ukraine.
What a mess that loser Biden and the Globalists created for us. We MAGA and President Trump will get all the blame if Russia takes over poor POS Ukraine.
Having made a strong effort to end the conflict through diplomacy, having checked the box of good faith, watch as PDJT walks away.
And watch the EU and Ukraine start screaming: Come Back Don!
“without the USA the EU/UK will not commit to fight Russia.”
We should never underestimate the capacity of politicians to do something completely stupid and self destructive …. like start ANOTHER European war. This time, without the US, it shouldn’t expand into a World War, but remain just a local obscenity.
European
“[The European nations] are nations of eternal war. All their energies are expended in the destruction of the labor, property and lives of their people.”
–Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1823
local
Crossfire Hurricane 4: In Crowdstrike We Trust
Same thing in Hendersonville over Kavanaugh. A bunch of old White Liberal-marxists concerned about murdering babies.
Someone has to pay for reconstruction. The bankers made a lot of investments in Ukraine.
It is our war, a very dishonorable war, courtesy of the Biden junta which deliberately brought it about by provoking Russia. They thought we’d react to this war like we reacted to Desert Storm and Desert Shield, guaranteeing a two-term presidency and licensing even more control over domestic politics. Cutting and running from Ukraine is a humiliation for the US (at least in terms of machtpolitik) that in some ways is even worse than our pell-mell retreat in Afghanistan (another Biden accomplishment). The only reason someone mistreats a dog is because they’re a sadistic, hate-filled son of a b*tch. That’s the same reason the American ruling class “accomplished” Afghanistan and the Ukraine war.
“War… is the moment when the energy of a single hand shows itself in the most seducing form.”
–Thomas Jefferson, 1788
“Our resolve is to put America First again, and to keep America First. For 50 years we have liberated, defended, and aided nations all over the world. It was the right and just thing to do. But, now, we must begin to look out for the forgotten Americans right here in the United States. Our great manufacturing base needs to be re-tooled and restored; our economy needs to be revived; our society needs to be healed; and our people need to become one again.” Pat Buchanan 1992
Also … END Russian Sanctions and replace them with the SAME 10% Tariff levied vs potential trade partners negotiating a Trade Agreement.
Also, END ALL holds on Russian Funds under US Control or the US part of any international holds … this will get the financial puppet masters hearts beating cross ways as they have likely committed those impounded Russian funds as collateral. It also, opens the door for US Banks to legally return to dealing with Russia.
Also, END the US side of ALL actions impounding property of Russian Citizens.
Declare ANY US Citizen violating the order to withdrawal as unsanctioned and NOT Protected by the US Government nor SOFA.
“This is not our War.”
It seems Rubio is being a tad bit disingenuous with this statement.
Had he said “This is no longer our war” I would have had more respect for his statement.
There is no question that the Empire of Hate, Lies,War, Death, and Destruction/NATO/MIC very much own this appalling, costly war (in human and financially cataclysmic terms), decades in the making. Those who know their history of agreements made and little by little deliberately broken know this to be the case.
Nevertheless President Trump has drawn a line now, and Rubio as his emissary is making that clear. One United States foot is out the door. A message delivered not only to the castrated frontmen of the “Coalition of the Willing” but to those within his own seditious agencies which still operate under the cover of darkness.
President Trump says he is done.
Let’s hope the malignant actors understand, wherever they may be.
Bless-ed are the peacemakers…
NO it is not our war. This statement serves a few purposes.
President Trump had NO PART in starting it, as in OUR = President Trump’s Administration.
There has never been popular support for this war … wasted lives, wasted money and 10% Big Guy money … after people learned the truth.
It is a challenge to the US Media and politicians from the US or EU to state otherwise …. i.e. challenge the “popular and publicly stated notion” that the US and EU had no part in starting the war.
OUR and WE is the USA
“There has never been popular support for this war…”
Though that hasn’t stopped the nonstop villification of and lies about Russia as being the voracious boogeyman. And gaslighting propaganda so deep one would need Wellington boots to wade through it in order to garner that universal public support.
Many have swallowed all of it whole without mentally chewing, eschewing any sort of questioning of the intense and unrelenting narrative served up on a silver platter since the whole abominable war was started.
There are still some small pockets of public support here and definitely elsewhere I regret to report.
But just wait until “ordinary” man rethinks his position just as soon as putative conscription to fight (and die) in Ukraine is mandated. Then see how fast those pockets disappear….POOF!!
Betcha…
The USA cannot wipe its hands of its past deeds just due to a new President. It could repent.
Exactly how far back does one look?
WWI..Germany bad
Russia/Japan good
WWII..Germany bad. Japan bad
Revolutionary War…Great Britain bad. Germany bad
France good. Spain good
NATO’s current precedent was created in the Neocon wars to expand NATO-Islam-Crime syndicates in the Balkans, in their illegal wars against the Orthodox Christian Serbs. NATO should have been disbanded as its adversary the Warsaw Pact had been dissolved. They needed to be “re-tooled” to try and stay relevant so they came up initially with the Op Cyclone II program in Bosnia, then expanded it to Neo-Nazi Croatia, and Al-Qaeda-CIA Kosovo. They were going for what is now N Macedonia, but their military quickly put a stop to it, even catching 17 some odd terrorist CIA military trainers/directors with them. One of N Macedonia’s politicans made the astute comment that NATO was attempting to create a European Taliban in the region.
Miss Johnstone has made very accurate assessments that back that up and go back to the original Op Cyclone in Afghanistan. They had one in Syria as well, which I was think Op Cyclone 5.
So many pies, dear Colkitto….so many sticky fingers.
Have we (the US) ever left a place better than we found it?
History’s verdict since WWII is damning.
Excellent synopsis of every continental place we’ve stuck our uninvited noses into.
Ty and always a pleasure to see you posting. Best to you Bet!
Bless you always, dear friend🙏🏻
James Jatras
“The Muslim Advance and American Collaboration”
Wahibbism is of their creation
“It seems Rubio is being a tad bit disingenuous with this statement.”
I think we have to “cut him some slack”, especially if he is talking “off the cuff” and not from some prepared statement.
Us armchair critics can micro analyze every little detail after the fact.
I am sure that these are stressful situations. How many of us have said something and later wished we could go back and rephrase it?
He is doing a much better job than I could ever do & I have been MAGA much longer than he has been.
Also, I do not speak Spanish 😂
I do cut him some slack, DI. He’s in the employ of and on the side of the angels now, no longer a card carrying member of the Gang of Eight. It is to be hoped he put that card through the shredder.
I was simply pointing out the inaccuracy of his statment, historically speaking of course. Which I’m betting even he wasn’t thinking of.
This is the Tweedle-Twin War.
Crossfire Hurricane 3: In Uniparty We NeverTrust
The traitorous Ukrainian enemy within our gates.
Vindman, is not a Christian, and neither is Zelensky, and neither is Nuland!
Where’s my popcorn?
I want to believe that Rubio is a reformed former neocon / decepticon adjacent politician. He has so far publicly been outstanding and has shown himself to be loyal and a geopolitical master.
We must also consider that this hurry up by Rubio now is happening with knowledge that the Senate is holding the Presidents (Big Beautiful Budget bill) BALL in their court. They will be none too thrilled if The President just pulls out all support of Ukraine. They will put military funding for Ukraine in that bill, get the house to agree, then send it to the President to force him to sign off. Deal or no deal. The timing of all of this is related. The decepticons are always lurking & scheming.
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I threw your popcorn into the garbage. Two of my sons already have spent too much time in/near/about this disgusting and unnecessary arena wearing their blood types posted on their CUs.
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outhouse – I thank your sons for their service. My popcorn refers to Rubio being in the popcorn popper where he must prove he’s free from neocon influence and Loyal to the President’s agenda or not.
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Okay. Sorry. You can have my Milk Duds.
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It’s possible that the Administration is actually saying that Russia is being recalcitrant. In which case, it’s also likely that Trump will massively support Ukraine for victory rather than the piecemeal escalation Biden and all liberals typically do. Had Biden properly funded Ukraine’s military instead of massively grifting off civil, military, police, economy, and reconstruction, the war likely would’ve been over by now with Ukraine in victory. Trump maybe preparing to do what is necessary to see Ukraine to victory and force Russia back to good faith negotiations.
popcorn
“This documentary better be good.” – Orange Man Popcorn
Trump appears at John Eastman’s documentary… Marco Rubio says a few words.
https://x.com/thevivafrei/status/1875897882907201552
’bout time. Walk away.
Peace or peace out. Excellent strategy.
I find it interesting that a few posters, who dont seem to be regular contributors, think the US should not ” walk away “. That Ukraine should keep taking taxpayer money and US Forces to protect them. I wonder what kind of posters would come here and say things like that? ( payed to post comes to mind. )
Its almost as if they also dont understand that the Marxist regime in power, in 2014, are the ones who started it, via the Maidan Revolution, fomented by that dude who pretends to be a woman and his cohorts. This regime was illegitimate and used USAID money, and other soft power arms, of the US Government, to foment this situation.
MAGA voters, voted for no more war. Although there is a bombing campaign against the Houthis, who have targeted US Forces and hurt freedom of movement in international waters, I do not consider that to be unwarranted nor a full blown war. Those terrorists have asked for it. And they are getting it.
Russia responded to broken promises to accords that were well understood, and they see themselves being surrounded, when they were promised that would not happen. As it is, Russia is using kid gloves in that conflict, and doing their best to keep civilian deaths to a minimum. If they wanted to take it over completely and flatten the place, they could, and would. This is not the objective, and only the stupid, or the evil, say they want more than what they actually do.
NATO and their evil pals, and the EU warmongers, just cant keep their hands to themselves. They want Russia broken up into smaller states. This is known. They cant do it without US involvement and they know it.
It is in the best interests of the US to walk away. If both sides cannot come to the table and stop the killing, then as SD says, it will just play out until Russia has gotten what it wants, which is control of the Russian speaking Oblasts, and the Ukraine Nazis, to be decimated.
The hair on fire liars, who insist Russia wants to takeover the EU, are so full of BS, its laughable. They have stated over and over, this is not the goal. But the MSM and the MIC/EU/NATO clowns keep flapping this lie.
It is a good idea, to let those groups sort it out, if they want WW3 so bad.
The US contracting back to their own sphere, is the best option available. Let the clowns, beclown themselves.
PDJT and Co. say it is not their war, and they are 100 per cent correct. It is and was, BO and his Marxist globalist dirtbags war, and PDJT is under 0 obligation to clean up that mess. The EU thinks they know better, so let them think that.
Zelensky is a puppet, and no more US taxpayer dollars should be given to those thieves and liars and corrupt morons. They wanted the boot, when they kicked to wrong shins.
Walking away may be the best thing but dont pretend that it was not WE, the USA, who put ukraine into this situation. We are not holier than the other populations who are ruled by those who put them last. When you say WE you mean the present administration, when I say WE and OUR I mean the USA. Let us not pretend to be “holier than thou” when referring to EU, NATO, Ukraine, etc when we pushed them and led them into it. What was Rubios position on Ukraine in the last few admins?
“Yes we scam.” – No Lives Matter
“Trust the scam.” – Pardon Me Dad
So why are they not being arrested for it?
Here’s the United States Secretary of State, working for world peace, making credible, thoughtful, reasoned statements.
Contrast that with the minor US Senator, also on foreign soil, working for the release of some guy, who, even if released, would immediately return to a life of grift, violence, anger and self destruction.
Two America’s.. the United States of America INC is defunct and defeated like Beelzebub, but still has influence
So, basically, if the Allies won’t agree to the US terms of the Sudentanlandism of Ukraine, and eventual annexation of Ukraine by Russia, then the US walks away from negotiations AND the support of Ukraine. There is only one outcome here if that is the case and that is to allow Russia to annex Ukraine.
This calls to question how Trump is advancing America First in Europe. How is this even a negotiation? Why doesn’t Trump just join the Russian side of the table and demand the surrender of Ukraine? Is Trump also going to dismember NATO thereby allowing Russia to set up a Neo-Warsaw Pact in Eastern Europe and the Finlandization of Poland, Romania, the Baltic Republics, and Finland? How is this America First in Europe?
Note, this also comes on the heels of the Administration saying the US Army is to be reduced even more to a paramilitary force of a mere 350,000 men. There will be more policemen (well maybe with defund the police) than military. Similar reductions in the Navy and Air Force. This is the ratio of a military like Britain’s which is really no military at all. Again, how is this Defund the Military an America First policy?
It’s a bot time for this post.
Ukraine, Democrat, or Neocon bot? I’m thinking Neocon.
No. Straight up American. Neocons are lightweight buffoons, mostly liberals who like guns. Ukrainians are brave and their independence must be assured. Democrats are the enemy.
Too bad libertarian isolationist here and at the GOP have almost ceded the entirety of our national security to Democrats. That is changing though under Trump. Sort of. Cuz reducing the military to a paramilitary force is exactly what the Europeans did. Why are we emulating them?
Warfare has evolved and there is not the need for “ground” troops as there were in decades past. Everything is in the air now, just about. America First also recognizes that the USA should not be the policemen of the world. Other countries need to stand up for themselves. America’s military is not every other country’s bi%%#ch.
You need to go back up thread and look at the maps posted by Colkitto of NATO countries in 1990 and the NATO countries as of 2019. Russia was assured of no further NATO expansion in 1990 because they were afraid of having missles pointed at them in their backyard. Look what the shitheads in Brussels, France, the UK promoted. And the USA was always their military bi%#ch. We’re done with that crap.
“Warfare has evolved and there is not the need for “ground” troops as there were in decades past.”
Utterly ridiculous. Ground troops will always be a vital necessity for State power. Ground troops might increase in their capabilities but their need to secure the ground will never cease. In a match between equally capable ground troops and all things being equal, the side with the most ground troops wins. Reducing the Army to a paramilitary sized force that can’t even maintaining central power domestically is guaranteeing the collapse of the US.
“Everything is in the air now, just about.”
Nothing is in the air once it leaves. Things in the air can’t just stay there. Once they leave the air is a brand new battleground. In contrast, ground troops can stay there until they are eliminated. He he controls the ground, controls the battleground.
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“America First also recognizes that the USA should not be the policemen of the world.”
Agreed.
“Other countries need to stand up for themselves. America’s military is not every other country’s bi%%#ch.”
Agreed again. All our NATO and CANZUK allies need to increase their military percentage of GDP to 6% just as we do. Our very future depends upon it. Within the next 10 years the existential future of the US will be challenged by gigantic military forces. Large invasions unseen since the early dark ages are being prepped for overwhelming what remains of Western Civilization. If we aren’t ready by then, it will be the end of us, permanently.
“You need to go back up thread and look at the maps posted by Colkitto of NATO countries in 1990 and the NATO countries as of 2019.”
I don’t need to look up the thread. I was there when it happened. We always wanted the Western Security Umbrella to expand Eastward and including Russia. The question was all about the type of security umbrella and the timing.
“Russia was assured of no further NATO expansion in 1990 because they were afraid of having missles pointed at them in their backyard.”
This statement that we assured the Russians of not moving NATO eastward is absolute horseshit. The fact versus the myth, is that some very senior diplomat whose name I can’t remember right now made a verbal assurance to his Soviet counterpart durkng the Status of Forces Agreement following the fall of the Berlin Wall. He was heavily criticized for this verbal agreement as needlessly complicating things.
In detail, they agreed that NATO would not follow on Soviet Troops as they evacuated East Germany. They also made agreements on missiles and other conventional forces in Eastern Europe. Subsequently, the West German and East Germans, US, UK, France, agreed NATO troops would not enter East Germany until it had been absorbed into a reunified Germany. All that was temporary measure and was not meant to be permanent.
Regardless, this was superseded by the collapse of the Soviet Union and the creation of the new independent states out of it including Russia. At that point Russia itself agreed it wanted to join NATO. So, did the other members of the former Warsaw Pact. We signed several agreements with Russia regarding this and the road map to getting future members to join. Again, someone made an agreement that NATO troops wouldn’t come in large numbers and undermine the Conventional Armed Forces Treaty that had been signed at the fall of the Soviety Union and limited number of troops. This agreement was cancelled by Putin who launched his remilitarization program. Even then, not until about 2012, did the idea of Russia joining NATO end. So the idea that NATO was never supposed to expand his bulloney.
“Look what the shitheads in Brussels, France, the UK promoted. And the USA was always their military bi%#ch. We’re done with that crap.”
Actually, we are the ones who wanted us to be their biatch in return for them reducing their militaries. Both France and the UK had high levels of military spending and were involved in maintaining Western interests around the world. Before our Vietnam War, the French were fighting there for 20 years. Before Korea, the Dutch were fighting in the East Indies (Indonesia). The French fought in Algeria and remained a military interventionist force in North Africa until recently. The British fought in East Africa and Malaysia. Both France and the UK fought against Arab Imperialism when they tried to retain control of the Suez.
The Suez War was when we decided to help the Brown and Black people fight off bad White colonialists. The origin of European pacifism and reliance on American military originated there. So, in fact we encouraged the Europeans to back off and reduce their militaries. The Europeans still had sizable militaries, but after the Cold War and then the rise of the Left in Brussels, they have increasingly reduced their militaries. But, just above, you are saying the same thing about reducing the army. Somethings never change.
“Not our circus, not our monkey’s” comes to mind. Then again, the Democrat et al money-laundering spigot has been cut off with the Grifter Train being pulled back to the station for a good cleaning and refitting…so no need for This Administration to continue to involve the USA in this Hatfield-McCoy’s idiocy.
PDJT and his A-Team know what they are doing, despite complete opposition by half (or more) of Congress, with the R’s asleep in the backseat and missing out on the opportunity to contribute to the trip. Rubio is perfect in this role…Good call sir.
And that’s how it’s done folks!
“Remember if no one does anything, Russia has already gained the ground they want and will just continue grinding western Ukraine to ever expanding rubble.”
No, I think Russia will take Kherson and Odessa.
The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
By recognizing that the question of NATO enlargement is at the center of this war, we understand why U.S. weaponry will not end this war. Only diplomatic efforts can do that.
https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/wgtgma5kj69pbpndjr4wf6aayhrszm
VSGPDT and Medium Marco have come around to Bobby’s way of thinking, praise God!
“…The Ukraine war began in 2014, when U.S. agencies overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine and installed a handpicked pro-Western government. They launched a deadly civil war against ethnic Russians in Ukraine. In 2019, America walked away from a peace treaty, the Minsk Agreement, that had been negotiated between Russia and Ukraine by European nations. And then in April of 2022, we wanted the war. In April 2022, President Biden sent Boris Johnson to Ukraine to force President Zelenskyy to tear up a peace agreement that he and the Russians had already signed. The Russians were withdrawing troops from Kiev, Donbas, and Luhansk. And that peace agreement would have brought peace to the region and would have allowed Donbas and Luhansk to remain part of Ukraine.
President Biden stated that month that his objective in the war was regime change in Russia. His defense secretary, Lloyd Austin, simultaneously explained that America’s purpose in the war was to exhaust the Russian army and to degrade its capacity to fight anywhere else in the world. These objectives, of course, had nothing to do with what they were telling Americans about protecting Ukraine’s sovereignty.
Ukraine is a victim in this war, and it is a victim of the West… both Russia and the West. Since then, we have forced Zelenskyy to tear up the agreement. We’ve squandered the flower of Ukrainian youth. As many as 600,000 Ukrainian kids and over 100,000 [???-ed.] Russian kids, all of whom we should be mourning, have died. And Ukraine’s infrastructure is destroyed. …
We’ve pushed Russia into a disastrous alliance with China and Iran. We are closer to the brink of nuclear exchange than at any time since 1962. And the neocons in the White House don’t seem to care at all. Our moral authority and our economy are in shambles, and the war gave rise to the emergence of BRICS, which now threatens to replace the dollar as a global reserve currency.
This is a first-class calamity for our country. Judging by the bellicose, belligerent speech last night in Chicago, we can assume that a President Harris will be an enthusiastic advocate for this and other neocon military adventures. President Trump says he will reopen negotiations with President Putin and end the war overnight as soon as he becomes President. This alone would justify my support for his campaign.” …….
Rest in the Vine: Treachery or Treasure: What Does Bobby Bring?
I think that this is the strength that RFK, Jr. brings/brought to Trump:
He, for today’s standards, is shockingly eloquent, and a total throwback to the educated side of the Kennedys, which extended to the serious, educated side of America, when one went to Harvard for serious study and thought, instead of to wear masks and terrorize Jews.
Kennedy’s statement on Ukraine was the clearest thing I saw during the campaign. He’s providing President Trump with high-level historical perspective and – for myself – I’m glad he came on board.
Compare RFK, Jr. to his nephew, JFK’s grandson Jack Schlossberg, and you have the devolution of American thought in a nutshell.
RFK’s value to Trump is in overarching, distilled, strategic, intelligent thought. He’s probably in way over his head as an actual manager of people, and how to implement his health thinking. In a small way, RFK. Jr.’s thought processes (believe it or not) do remind me some of Ronald Reagan’s. Reagan would point the way, and depend upon (sometimes imperfect – viz the 1986 Amnesty) subordinates to execute. I wouldn’t be surprised to find RFK a muddled management failure at HHS, bogged down in the mud, but he brings intellectual heft which is sorely needed today.
EU followed Biden and his warmongers into this war and are now left holding the bag.
Maybe the EU and China can have a group hug. China needs to find a way to rip off the EU, to make up for MAGA no longer allowing the CCP to piss all over us. The EU needs China, so they can go completely in debt to cover the things we won’t pay for anymore. Good luck to both. 🤣
China will bankrupt the EU when it REALLY starts dumping their manufactured junk on the EU consumers as outlined many times here by Sunny D
Declare any IC/CIA elements continuing operations in this war after the US officially discontinues participation as rogue and unsanctioned personnel.
makes them eligible to be held by Russia as enemy combatants ?
Exactly…The Left is so mentally possessed you could point to the BLUE sky and…I swear…they would tell you it is GREEN. Their fickleness from one day/week/month to the next is unreal…and no arguing logic and facts with these lunatics who see everything inside out and upside down often switching arguments 180 degrees inside of six months. They are actually advocating for a wife-beating/child trafficking/MS-13 gang member who snuck into our country illegally to the point of trying to spring him from prison in his home country….including an actual Senator! Can’t make this Twilight Zone stuff up…but, apparently…the Left seems to believe their mentality is ‘normal’, not despicably deranged. The Founders would have employed swift justice, no pandering or misplaced compassion approach.
The chasm between good and evil has further widened, one gets to pick which side they are on. Isaiah 5:20 comes to mind. Pretty easy if one is aware.
Sundance, perfect synopsis of the lay of the land.
It’s too bad that peace isn’t nearly as profitable as war! To the warmongers anyway!
But the media will accuse Trump of being weak for backing down, or accuse him of siding with RussiaRussiaRussia and Putin.
Of course. Just like a MS-13 violent illegal gang-banger is a Massachusetts family man.
Who cares.
Hopefully this is accompanied by a full embargo on EU/UK goods and a start to the process of withdrawing from NATO. Those are about the only moves that would stop Europe from continuing the war.