Joe Biden was asked yesterday if he would pardon anyone else. He couched his response, “it depends on some of the language and expectations that Trump broadcasts in the last couple days here as to what he’s going to do,” Biden told reporters at the White House. “There’s still consideration of some folks, but no decision.”
Now, think carefully about that response to the question. Biden handing out more pardons depends on what Donald Trump says he is going to do.
What exactly is the negotiating factor here? If Trump says he will hold people accountable for the weaponization of government, then Biden will preemptively pardon them. However, if President Trump does not say they will be held accountable, then no preemptive action is needed.
No where in that type of thought process is the weaponized targeting and behavior a factor, only whether they will be held accountable for it. Put another way, the activity is admitted as corrupt, the decision now rests on whether they can avoid accountability for their corruption.
There will be more pardons. It doesn’t matter what President Trump says or does not say. Psychologically, they are admitting to the wrongdoing. The issue is now about how to avoid the consequences. There will be more pardons; they are simply negotiating who gets them.
I’m not sure blanket nonspecific pardons are even Constitutional…and I would urge the Trump DOJ to move full speed ahead with any investigations and prosecutions regardless of what FJB does.
Yes, Ford did it for Nixon, but it was never tested.
The levels of visible corruption are mind bending at this point. They don’t care if we see it, and they are absolutely petrified of consequences.
We were not supposed to be in this place…Trump was supposed to be dead and buried by now…both literally and figuratively.
They are praying for blanket pardons to protect themselves…I think Trump’s response should be…
Well, we will see about that…
“they are simply negotiating who gets them”….
and how much money the Biden Crime Family will get.
This is his last hurrah. FJB will be in retirement.
I know it’s been said but needs repeating preemptive pardon is an oxymoron!
How can set aside something yet to happen?????????
I don’t think it hasever been defitively adjudicated whether or not pre-emptive pardons are legal, outhouse Council, former Magistrate etc. please weigh in.
Yes, Nixon and perhaps others set a precedent, but having a legal precedent is NOT definitive.
Only having such a pardon challenged in court, and having the issue go to SCOTUS, and getting a clear unambiguos, definitive ruling, upholding the legality, makes it “legal”.
Seems to me Joe runs a risk. His pardon of Hunter was/is pre-emptive, but I haven’t seen anyone calling for it to be challenged…
However, if Joe issues blanket pardons to the lawfare prosecutors, the J6 prosecutors,Liz Chaney, etc. there is the incrrased risk that someone will challenge it in court, as it IS a Presidential Power, assuming a plaintiff can show standing it would likely go to SCOTUS, and a decision clarifying pardons, even Presidential Pardons can’t be issued for crimes not yet charged would then put Hunter in jeopardy.
In addition, as has been pointed out Pardons are an admission there issomething they NEED pardoning for, and so a percieved admission of guilt, and they deprive the recipient of their 5thA right.
In essence, Gerald Ford was announcing he did not intend to allow / encourage his DOJ to charge Nixon, who had not committed any crime. What Biden is doing is entirely different.
A pardon pertains only to criminal prosecution; it does not pertain to civil liability.
Someone who is pardoned could still be sued civilly for the same conduct and be forced to pay money damages. They would not be able to rely on their fifth amendment right against self incrimination in the civil proceeding. I am thinking of Fauci in particular.
So-called blanket pardons would be open to challenge.
Is accepting the pardon an admission of guilt, that could serve as judicial notice in a civil trial? Seems that all that is needed then is to establish damages? Feels like Biden is trying to muddy the waters and cause the issue to be litigated to keep people out of prison for a while longer.
Should also be mentioned that Joe was deemed incompetent to stand trial. Why is he making decisions to begin with?
I love this point. And unless his old ass remembers to pardon himself, all you need to do is go after him. Then it all falls down. If he’s deemed illegal or incompetent then that means all his decisions are null and void.
I think what we need is to declare biden incompetent by an independent panel of doctors. This would render any of the pardons, decisions he has made since Nov 5th null and void.
Would it render decisions he has made since Nov 5th null and void, or, should it render all decisions made since he was declared unfit for trial null and void?
Biden’s handlers are tiptoeing around some serious stuff here. This republic has been without a fully functioning executive branch for far longer than most are willing to admit, yet it’s blatantly obvious what’s been going on. In a sane world heads would have rolled for ever letting this obvious exploitation of our government come to fruition.
Oh minor detail/s
At what time in the last four years, did Biden become mentally incompetent?!? We The People should demand revocation of all Executive Orders, all Bills he signed, all Deep State rule-making, etc, past that point. Biden’s staff and Cabinet officers were not elected President.
They are like the “release” you sign, before climbing onto a mechanical bull; they have no legal meaning, as you can not release someone from liability for something PRE-EMPTIVELY.
.However, because most people don’t know that, they figure they can b.s. people who are injured into not sueing.
Similarly I suppose, some recipients of these pardons may say “you can’t charge ME, I have a PARDON.”
Thing is,they would be saying that to prosecutors who are just dieing to challenge the validity of pre-emptive pardons in Court.
Oh, to have been a flyvon the wall, at DOJ as they debated this issue!
and subpoenaing emails, meeting notes,etc. as a part of Discovery, of any meetings ordiscussionsof such pardons coukd be VERY interesting!
Bank records too!
Agreed…I want to see these “pardons” tested in the Supreme Court…There would be dozens if not hundreds of Amicus briefs, and the issue would, I believe, receive a full analysis and definitive answer…
That’s fine and whoever sides with the satanists
have exposed themselves as such.
They should be promptly removed, by Marshalls
and face execution for treason, sedition and
crimes against humanity.
Btw, same with witmer, newsome and the cali legislature.
It was always going to be this way. Just the same way I knew they would stuff the ballot box in 2020 when it was first mentioned. Normal (honest – law abiding ) people would never even think about granting pardons but the criminal scum that has accumulated within the Democratic Party probably thinks about it constantly.
I still don’t understand how any Democrat Deep Stater would fear a jury from DC. They could get a cheap lawyer and still win.
Michael Cohen …………….. a cheap lawyer from a cheap law school.
Republicans will be standing in line, too and not just Liz.
Mitch was the architect of Russia,Russia and there is probably evidence to prove it, in the Comey diaries and the NSA database.
Two Wings, One Vulture; Mucho Merde.
Smith, Bratt, Garland, Monaco and McCord could be indicted in the Southern District of Florida.
Fani Willis, Ruby Freeman and the election officials involved with the Atlanta case could be charged in Atlanta.
This is a military situation, not a civil one.
They do not get a jury of their friends.
So….can Trump hire assassins to go out and kill all of his enemies? All of those that went after him for BS crimes, russia-gate, docs, illegal jay walking and so on? Then, issue a blanket pardon for all of those assassins that did his killing for him? Is that how that works? Maybe Trump can go strangle Judge Marchan and Bragg, and pardon himself afterwards? Or, if you cannot issue pardons on yourself, go murder them all anyway, step down, JD Vance takes over as President, with Trump as VP, then JD issues pardons to Trump, then JD steps down and Trump takes the presidency again with JD as VP. Everyone is safe from prosecution cause we got pardons all around.
See the slippery slope these blanket PRE-pardons can cause. Pardons for those that are already convicted. Not for crimes you may have or may not have done at any time in the past or future. I am willing to bet these blanket pardons will not hold up in court, and will be dismissed.
The left goes on how Trump will destroy democracy, but here the left is doing it right before our eyes, and the left is blind to it. We all here know what the left really is. They are everything and more that they accused Trump of being. They ARE THE TYRANTS. They would rather rule over the ashes of America than relinquish power. JUST LIKE HITLER.
That’s where I am at this point. If I were him, I’d vet a dozen SEAL Six/Delta Force types, issue THEM preemptive pardons, and then present them with a list of high-profile people who just need to be removed.
President Trump would never entertain any such idea and if you have researched him for the last few decades; you would never suggest such a thing.
It’s called SARCASM….and making a point. Please read the above again with that in mind. Or maybe…just maybe, I am dead serious and think MURDER is perfectly fine, as long as they have it coming. RIGHT?
Then America, the Constitutional Republic, is over.
dekare—Good thinking.
You nailed dimm-o-crap thinking, twisted rationale & projection also.
SamFox
Good thing we don’t live in a republic. Oh. Wait.
… hey! dekare, why not?! The Dems brought US Justice low enough to consider these options… as for the SC, count on them to come up with novel and creative rulings…
I’d predict they’ll settle on pardoning thousands of underlings, so that none of them can ever be prosecuted and flipped to testify against senior people. They can do this and blame it on Trump’s vindictiveness.
The senior people will go it alone, with just Uniparty, Deep State and Bondi protection. No pardon.
Where do they draw the cutoff line? That may be the only thing left to resolve for them.
But, if the underlings can, indeed, be forced to testify with no using their 5th!
See my comment about putting them through the truth mill. And few would be willing to do it without a lawyer, which costs money. It is what they tried to do to Trump.
Let ’em identify themselves.
Then ban all recipients of such pardons from government service and strip their security clearances.
Only fulsome cooperation with all investigations put to them might allow a reversal for limited numbers.
Trump hamstrings himself every time he opens his mouth and telegraphs everything he going to do.
He needs to just stop.
OMG!
What did he say this time?
You’re just looking for a reason to complain.
Brandon is going to pardon people who should at the very least spend the rest of their lives 23 hours a day in a Supermax, and it’s Trump’s fault because he says sh!t?
Whatever it is you’re on, it’s not working.
Ok Jen, go quietly into that good night.
She is right. He needs to be quiet for 2 weeks and then work his plan.
Your 🏆. 🥸
To a degree, I think you are correct. Walk softly, carry big stick.
The F—- are you talking about? He’s done nothing but say he wants unity and no intent for retribution.
Another troll?
Get a therapy dog Jen to cope with these next 4 years -because there is no stopping Donald Trump.
Troll.
Why does everyone keep saying Biden is thinking about doing this or that ?
Biden ain’t doing 💩 and he probably can’t even think of what a pardon means and all who are coming up with this and using the auto pen in his name better be held accountable.
Joe don’t know 💩 and this is all an admission of guilt
It’s not Joe that’s doing the “thinking” — it’s dear Dr. Jill. I think she gave away some scheme to punish Kamala and her crew by her frosty reaction to sitting NEXT to her at the Carter funeral in the National Cathedral. BTW is Jill Catholic? She divorced her Door #1, right? Did she need an annulment for her to marry widower Joe after his wife died in the car accident? Not sure of RC protocol, but have never heard it mentioned what her religious practice is.
Do people actually believe DR Jill is doing any of this and not Osama and those behind the curtain ?
I can not believe there are no backstops or safeguards that prevent just this scenario
The Biden family is negotiating the market price of a pardon.
“There will be more pardons; they are simply negotiating who gets them.”
Who is “they,” and who are they negotiating with?
If you had to guess; who do YOU believe “THEY” is?
O, I’m not really sure.
Good one!
Oh, you would like to know, wouldn’t you?
Hunter. And Jill. Joe knows they will do what he wants done, to insure no Biden has to worry about earning an honest living.
Not even debatable. Of course, he’s going to blanket pardon. This is how they roll. The norm is there is no norm. Victory at all costs.
So the precedent here is to allow any type of unlawful lawfare with the fore knowledge that you will receive a pardon.
Seems like it, doesn’t it?
When they prove the 2020 election was fraud, pardons go away
THANK YOU!!!
Wishful thinking.
The important part is thoroughly investigating the lawfare and laying it all out for the public to see. Instead of a Biden library construct a museum to hold all of the evidence and post all of the evidence on line to serve as a lesson for future generations.
Question. Does a pardon discharge civil penalties. Can Hunter be held liable for back taxes and penalties despite being forgiven criminal charges?
A pardon does not discharge civil penalties.
Bankruptcy, Inc.
Got to wonder what the cost is for these pardons, and how much goes to “the Big Guy.”
All of it goes to the Big Guy. One last, huge grift to keep his precious ‘family’ in the style to which they have become accustomed.
If the perpetrators are pardoned for felonies they committed, can they still be sued civilly for conspiracy against civil rights? Is there anyone reading this familiar with the law?
SCOTUS must swat this nonsense aside.
Which is exactly why they will not.
Like taxing Unrealized Gains.
once it is proven biden stole 2020 are the pardons valid ?
Unless I am misunderstanding the wording of the constitution, I don’t see how any pardon given can be legal when a person has not been charged with a crime against the federal government. From the constitution-The president can issue a pardon at any point after a crime is committed and before, during or after criminal proceedings have taken place. The president cannot, however, pardon someone for future crimes. A pardon covers both the offender’s conviction for the crime and the sentence for that crime. Can someone explain how Biden’s pardons are valid for people not comvicted???
“after a crime is committed..”
Of course..such pardons immediately identify the miscreants.
Good information to know.
One can imagine publishing any kind of claims against these people relevant to pardoned activities – how can they go to court and charge libel without opening a door to investigative processes? I’m not a lawyer, but one closed door may lead to other open ones.
Many ways to apply “oppressive” pressure on people. Information warfare is a two way street. Make their lives a living *ell. It can be done.
The sentence says: “and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”
Does that, in fact, allow for this brand-new thing called a “pre-emptive pardon?” In other words, a “stay out of jail free” card?
It would be an awesome power, indeed, for someone to say to someone else: “No matter what anyone in the future finds that you might have been guilty of, you don’t have to face judgment.”
I don’t think that this is what our Founders had in mind.
I don’t think he can pardon for state crimes either, only for federal crimes, i.e. crimes against the United States.
“and Pardons for Offences against the United States”
Donald J. Trump is not the United States. He is a citizen. For the last 4 years he has not been an office holder of the federal government. So does that mean that Biden has no Constitutional authority to pardon Jack Smith for persecuting Donald J. Trump, et al??
The transition period is far too long. It needs to be shortened. 30 days would be far more appropriate than nearly 3 months.
Please accept my apology in advance. No time to read everything here, but I just read that Mayorkas granted annasty to eight hundred and fifty thousand illegals. If true, how does he have that authority?
How can Mayorkas grant anthing?
Link? Citation?
Sorry for the delay. Townhall today. Sorry. Can’t do a link from my shoe phone
fear porn and poor journalism.
He extended the TPS by 18mths for people from El Salvador, Venezuela, Sudan and somewhere else… who came before Aug 2023.
Sooooo… will Obama be pardoned? THAT will be interesting to see
If NO charges have be formally brought to a law enforcement agency &/or filed by a district attorney, how can a pardon be given?
‘re-crime ‘ pardons cannot be allowed. Talk about a cluster flop if that ever happens!
SamFox
I hope the Trump administration doesn’t formalize any charges while OBiden is in the Out House. I don’t see how OBiden can issue pardons if no crime has been charged. I don’t see ANY way to pardon anyone who has not been formally charged.
Trump will hose off the Capital Building & get it all clean again. Ot will be the White House again
SamFox
Pardons do not protect them from the People. We know their faces and I personally intend to use the Maxine Waters approach and get into some faces in public places. These people are easy to track.
I like your thinking;-)
One coarse of action,…the abuse of the FISA system to access the NSA database, unconstitutionally violates their rights,when it is used to gather evidence to prosecute them.
However,suppose due to recieving a blanket pardon, they are immune to prosecution?
And, suppose much like Stroxz/Page, messages were exposed for all to read in their own words, of the planning and coordination of the Coup (Russia,Russia) and the Steal (2020 election) and the Plandemic.
No,they can’t be prosecuted,but HERE isthe specific stuff they can’t be prosecuted FOR, and its in the public interest that we all know exactly WHAT they did, WHO did it, and how, and we hear it in their own words so they can’t deny it.
ALL of their efforts were ultimately motions they filed in The Court Of Public Opinion.
They who live by the CPO, let them DIE by the CPO!
They try to exploit public shaming, lets publically shame them, by exposing each one, and exactly what they did.
And watch how they clamour to shut down and destroy the NSA database, and the FISA Court system then!
Selling to the highest bidders.
Remember, a pardon does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop a grand jury. And if they lie to cover up their crimes, that’s fair game for prosecutors.
A pardon like this will backfire.
Interesting!
Trump needs to pinky swear that he won’t prosecute these treasonous criminals, so that Biden won’t preemptively pardon them. Then throw the book at these criminals and lock them up for life.
If America is going to be. Third World country, then go all in. Have Trump cancel Secret Service protection for Obama, Biden, Harris, et al
The one attitude that MUST be changed is the “Two wrongs don’t make a right, let’s not sink to their level” philosophy.
Go ahead, Biden Boy, and pardon away, but realize if the one pardoned accepts the pardon, they are forever seen as guilty, and a State court has every right to try them in their State, which is NOT pardonable
As President, Trump should put together a ‘special team’ with the task of dispatching many of these nasty creatures.
Make ‘died suddenly’ great again.
The bad precedent being set here is blowing my mind.
I recall the old days when both sides didn’t do these kids of things because they were well aware that it would come back to haunt them when they were then on the receiving end of it.
I can’t believe that no one around Biden is thinking this way?
This looks to me like a sign of just how blinded by fear they are- they can’t even think straight apparently.
That in and of itself says a lot.
Talk Softly now and Carry a Big Net after the 20th, imo.
Not that too much can be expected from the courtesans of the courts.
Sometimes the process is the consequence.
I believe that even if an unconditional pardon holds they can be made to testify. And if they lie or mislead, that is a new crime not covered by the pardon. Unless Biden can pardon them for any crimes past and future!
Those that get have to pay the big guy 90 percent and Hunter gets 10 percent me thinks.
IF evidence comes to light of Joe biden’s crimes (solid evidence) that he was “apart of” the crime committed by those he pardoned -then would that not moot out all his pardons for himself and those he criminally acted with?
because if not then America is saying any president can commit crimes before and during a presidency
and pardon all crimes for him and his accomplices after the fact to avoid punishment.
seems unconstitutional to me.
It costs Trump nothing to remain silent about his plans for two weeks, then go after his enemies.
In the event of a pre-emptive pardon Trump and/or the Congress should bring the pardoned before grand juries or Congressional committees and get them to testify under oath about their misdeeds. Remind them they have no 5th amendment right to avoid self-incrimunation due to the pardon. Make them tell the truth and embarrass themselves and rather out the unpardoned, or lie and then charge them with the crime of perjury.
Win-win.
Well, keep quiet and concentrate on getting the country moving again. Do not mention accountability, let bygones be bygones (wink-wink). IMHO preemptive pardons should be declared ineffective and void by the USSC. This “preemptive” pardon Bravo Sierra should not stand.
Did y’all see that Jack Smith resigned from the DOJ ? The rats are resigning or transferring to another agency so they don’t have to answer questions from the IG.
Someone mentioned Lisa Page in this thread, and that she had no trouble getting a job at a DC law firm. This made me wonder which one, so I looked up her linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-p-79557b234/
This says she’s corporate counsel for Project Kuiper. So then I looked that up and found this description in google AI. Super interesting connection give the recent discussion of the surveillance state and Musk, amiright?
Project Kuiper, developed by Amazon, and Starlink, operated by SpaceX, are both satellite internet constellations aiming to provide high-speed internet globally, but the key difference lies in their current stage of development, with Starlink having a significant head start in terms of launched satellites and operational service, while Kuiper is still in the early stages of deployment, though it plans to offer potentially faster speeds and more advanced technology when fully operational; additionally, Kuiper may leverage its wider launch partner network compared to Starlink’s reliance on SpaceX rockets alone.
Key points of comparison:
Overall:
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So, Lisa Page works for Elon Musk?
No. For Bezos, his competitor.
Thousands of satellites ….. what’s going to happen when the sky gets full and they start banging into each other.
space is a big place. Guessing they’re assigned specific areas/trajectories and that there are many complicated calculations intended to keep them from colliding. Doesn’t mean accidents can’t happen, but I doubt there’s anything remotely random about it.
It has occurred to me that by forcing biden to issue pardons, Trump is forcing biden to give us a list of all those who need pardons.
Cue a reporter asking President Trump the question….
These people should be held accountable, but in the DC court system, they would not be likely to be found guilty.
So, in one sense, Biden would be doing the US a huge favor. He would be labelling each and every one of these people guilty without having to have a trial…..no tax dollars used to prove them guilty. No long drawn-out trials in the fake news.
What I would like to see is each of these people stripped of their wealth and every potential job position.
pretty nice lifestyle ya got there…. be a shame if you werent pardoned…. how much ya got?
got any grandkids we can play with?