Joe Biden was asked yesterday if he would pardon anyone else. He couched his response, “it depends on some of the language and expectations that Trump broadcasts in the last couple days here as to what he’s going to do,” Biden told reporters at the White House. “There’s still consideration of some folks, but no decision.”
Now, think carefully about that response to the question. Biden handing out more pardons depends on what Donald Trump says he is going to do.
What exactly is the negotiating factor here? If Trump says he will hold people accountable for the weaponization of government, then Biden will preemptively pardon them. However, if President Trump does not say they will be held accountable, then no preemptive action is needed.
No where in that type of thought process is the weaponized targeting and behavior a factor, only whether they will be held accountable for it. Put another way, the activity is admitted as corrupt, the decision now rests on whether they can avoid accountability for their corruption.
There will be more pardons. It doesn’t matter what President Trump says or does not say. Psychologically, they are admitting to the wrongdoing. The issue is now about how to avoid the consequences. There will be more pardons; they are simply negotiating who gets them.
Remember, a presidential pardon does not preempt civil liability; it only applies to federal criminal offenses and eliminates the legal consequences of those offenses, such as imprisonment or fines.
Again, it does not affect civil liabilities or lawsuits that arise from the same conduct.
Civil cases are separate matters and can proceed regardless of whether the individual has received a pardon. In fact, a pardon may be considered an admission of guilt.
Ruin Them All! Bankrupt Them All!
Well, if it’s going to be like that…
Nothing prevents PDJT from ruining and terrorizing his criminal persecutors, and then giving everyone involved blanket pardons.
With their shiny new pardons, the perps must be debriefed publicly, under oath, to fully explain and disclose the networks of people and actions attacking Trump and his team and supporters. Then, go after the little people who are not protected and who supported and enabled it. Condemn them with the testimony of the elites who are safe from punishment. Oh yeah, if any who pardoned refuse to testify or perjure themselves…
Pre emptive pardons are an abomination
They are not lawful even if bidung was mentally competent.
I almost expected them to be charged specifically
so that bidung could pardon them.
Correction….OBAMAnition!
Are they legal?
No.
If a person has not been given due process — charged, tried, and convicted of an offense against the US — there’s nothing to pardon.
“…and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”
The Constitution says the power is to pardon offences against the US. The crimes are pardoned, not the person.
Can someone get a pardon if they have not been convicted…
Now just watch. The “Kinder-Gentler” wing of the Republican Party will sing in unison: “Nothing to be done here, just move along.”
Ignore them.
No, charge them as well for their roles.
Yes, as long as that ass is determined to do this, let’s have some Watergate style hearings.
Absolutely.
Perhaps a Nuremberg-style hearing would be more appropriate inasmuch as the defendants tried therein were actually found guilty of the treason they committed against The People of Germany and were hung for such behavior; NOT given a slap on the hand with a “bad boy” thrown in for emphasis.
As Joe, himself would say, “C’mon, man” as we are talking about treason and other such “high crimes.” Just sayin.’ No pretending.
This must be the method used going forward. They can have their pardons for pre-Jan. 20 crimes, but each time they lie under oath after that during the Deep State’s disassembly is a two-year felony perjury charge. Along with any other crimes that were not covered by a specific pardon.
Blanket pardons will be found unconstitutional by a coming SCOTUS term, under due process reasoning.
Much like Capone went to prison on tax charges instead of mur der or racketeering (which did not exist in the 1930s as a crime), these trait ors will still get their comeuppance. And they’ll be building the gallows for their foul system themselves.
The same happened to Alger Hiss. He was convicted not of espionage, but of two counts of perjury for lying about the espionage.
Maybe pardons must be accepted, not only by the perp, but also by justice.
Before acceptance, the perp must be thorough and clear about
what he has done, since nothing unrevealed will be covered.
Refusing to talk essentially would mean no pardon.
Wouldn’t that make acceptance of a pardon an admission of guilt? Isn’t that why 2 of Biden’s pardons have filed an ebjection? Because they are still appealing their convictions?
By the same token, doesn’t a pre-emptive pardon mean that the President granting the pardon believes in the guilt of the person being pardoned?
So…..
If a President comes and does a whole bunch of illegal stuff and pillages the treasury, then pardons everyone in his camp, there is nothing to be done? You steal billions and the pardon?
The next President see this and comes in and does the same…
You literally are 2 presidents away from massive bankruptcy and criminality of the nation. A dictator only needs to threaten someone with jail, and they’ll obey knowing they’ll pardon themselves and all the rest so you’ll be the only one suffering.
I doubt the Founders had this in mind when the allowed pardons.
Isn’t a “pardon” a type of “executive action” that should be able to be reversed by the next presidents??
Otherwise there is nothing hope of redress…
Impeachment is the remedy. Now, that does presume a Speaker who has a set…
Also, with the pardon it will have to be accompanied by a plead of guilt. Yes? In so doing that would dovetail to other charges I would assume.
It’s really all in the “want to”. If this were Snowden, hell or high water the dude would be charged with some life long incarceration.
Also, in your post you deal with the integrity of our government and how to protect that. ‘If’ Trumps team decides to let bygones be bygones, traitors to be traitors, then our nation will fall regardless.
All is well with our nations health except the massive corruption in our government. It must be removed or we fall. There is no other issue except that issue and that is why the talking heads fight so hard to minimize it. We have either a government “for the people, by the people” or a cartel. As of now, a cartel.
And……As President it’s much easier to get stuff done as a cartel. “Power corrupts” the whole government has exchanged honesty for force. Trump will show his character in prosecutions or not. They must be prosecuted and removed from any position of power.
Couldn’t agree more.
Maybe this is the reason for keeping the 702 searches. So the “intelligence” guys can spy on a president who comes in and steals from the treasury (whether by pillaging or by kickback) and then bring charges? Is that the rationale for both the pardons and keeping the 702s?
He couldn’t stand trial due to his mental state, but he can pardon as long as he has the title of President?
I don’t believe Biden was / is too mentally challenged to stand trial. He know what he is.
Agree , the fact that he is evil AND corrupt have nothing to do with his diminished capacity .
He could be full tilt alzheimers, but he epi;f still remember what comes natural- breathing, blinking,
being evil, soliciting bribes…
I think what the Special Counsel said was that the jury would see him as a kindly, forgetful, old man and not convict.
Going by my not-so-great memory, so I may have the phrasing incorrect.
You are exactly right! How can he perform these acts of pardoning if he’s incapable of executing his job as President due to his mental state? Any of these pardons in my mind can be reversed simply on the fact that he’s not mentally fit to answer for the crimes he’s committed. If he uses the “insanity” defense then he’s only giving the ammo for the rebuttal of all of these pardons.
They never had him legally declared incompetent or incapacitated as President. That’s why the 25th was never used because it would legally allow for all of his orders and policies to be nullified due to incompetence.
So legally, everything stands until reversals on Jan 20th.
His actions for this blanket pardon business are questionable and unconstitutional. If they specifically name the crime, conviction or plea, then go ahead and pardon. Hunter had been indicted on gun charges so that pardon stands. The others in the cabal were never charged so, not going to work the same way.
They are all in hot water, because they never thought they would lose…again!
Indict all those with pardons anyway. The pardons are not binding. Make the process be the punishment.
And once you indict them, then go for the low hanging fruit of those who worked under those who were pardoned and indicted.
Make them retain legal counsel and then bankrupt them all, just like they have done to Giuliani.
Right, and I hope this thing I read before is right- there can be no pardon for those who have committed TREASON!
This, in spades. Let the courts rule on the validity of the pardons. Much as the lawfare scum did to loyal Americans, it should be done to the truly guilty.
Show no mercy. Take no prisoners. Let God Himself sort them out for us mere mortals.
Concerning all the mess since 2006 in American politics. You know who the actors are.
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
― George Orwell, Animal Farm
Preemptive doesn’t mean crimes that may be committed in the future.
It’s for past offences that haven’t been charged yet, and yes, POTUS can pardon any felony except for impeachment.
Question: In a constitutional republic, can the criminals give themselves pardons?
And my two=cents says, No! Or, better yet, “HELL NO!!!” I’ve been saying that since Day 1. Quit pretending. This is serious sh*t! If there’s no accountability would you expect it to change?
A major problem is that Trump & company need to learn to zip their lips. When asked if he is going to do this or that to this or that country he responds: “Is that a serious question?” But then he rattles on and on about what he is going to do to his political foes. This is just simply brain dead and there is no reason why Biden wouldn’t respond accordingly. The master of negotiating is giving away his hand before the game begins? That is how you lose, not win.
Evidence? Donald Trump and Kash Patel said no retribution. Where has Trump said he will weaponize the justice system against Smith, Weissman, Fani, et al?
Are you vaccinated?
Are you trans?
This seems obvious to me. If a pardon is nonspecific as to the crime being pardoned, no one can know if the pardon applies until the crimes are investigated and prosecuted.
Exactly!
It’s extremely obvious and just common sense.
If a person hasn’t been charged and convicted of an offence against the US through due process….there’s nothing to pardon.
No such thing as a blanket pardon either. So they are exempt from prosecution for any and all crimes that may have occurred or will occur some time in the future?
That makes zero sense except maybe in some crazy place in the galaxy.
There has to be a crime, indictment and plea, or at least a court proceeding to give someone a pardon.
Even if he signs some bogus presidential document, indictments can still be filed and argued thru an extensive and expensive legal process.
Wether the guilty are brought to justice in court or not, they WILL pay. The Bible says “Be assured your sins will find you out”.
I don’t care about the Bible and the afterlife. We need justice now today in the real.
“There’s still consideration of some folks, but no decision.” says Biden. However, knowing the actions of Biden it should surely read: there’s still consideration of some folks but not the right amount of money has been promised so says my opinion.
When one of the guilty is confronted as to why they would need a pardon if they did nothing wrong they’ll hypocritically respond by saying that Trump will weaponise DoJ/FBI against them. With a straight face. Remember we’re talking about vermin like Schiff here.
I’m so far beyond caring what any of the satanists
have to say, or justifications that they may claim.
They all need to face the gallows now.
If I was President Elect Trump I would immediately tell media that if Joe Biden can give blanket pardons for people that have not yet been charged with crimes than after the next four years of his administration and DOJ doing lawfare against the democrats exactly as they have done then he’ll give everyone blanket pardons as well at the end of his presidency.
That might be enough to make Biden and his cabal think twice before attempting to give blanket pardons.
Nothing from, or for them should be honored as they
are not honorable.
With purposeful intent, they seek our enslavement and destruction.
There is no forgiveness for that.
This includes the judiciary and legislature.
What’s good for the goose is also good for the gander.
What an embarrassment! Publicly inferring they committed a crime and now pardoning them for it. The recipient of the pardon is required to admit to the wrongdoing before the writ is finalized. Let’s see who ‘fesses up,
To paraphrase Mark Twain: “Better to be thought a criminal than to accept a pardon and remove all doubt.” President Biden is not a serious person.
Biden says he’s done nothing wrong and has no intention of pardoning himself…….ok so does this imply that there is no reason to pardon his brother James or his wife Dr Jill for knowing, aiding and abetting in his shakedown operations of foreign countries ?
I think the pardons will be somewhat meaningless. Crimes against the Government would be tried in DC, so the defendants would be let off anyway.
Those proposing pursuing them in state courts have the better strategy. Prosecute them in states that have functional courts, i.e.: red states.
Just move main justice out of DC.
Or military tribunals may suffice, as officers of the govt. they have broken their oath. So these crimes rise to a higher level than any local or DC judge should handle.
Can convene a special grand jury comprised of citizens chosen for their leadership around the country. Like public opinion but more structured.
Pardons only identify the perpetrators – they do not exempt them from being exposed and their dirty deeds made known – and then tried in the Court of Public Opinion!
Maybe that’s where Tucker and the MAGA journalists, investigators and podcasters come in. Tucker, Joe Rogan and the others have a huge collective audience of tens of millions.
Since it’s now widely acknowledged that he has been mentally incompetent for quite some time, shouldn’t anything he signed become invalid?
Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it,,,,
Now! What are we waiting for? The probable pardons of these scoundrels.
“Better to be thought of as a criminal then to accept a pardon and remove all doubt” . Amen.
The “now” part of the pardons?
Most likely the pardons will happen. After they do, the “Now” comes. Which is , saying,
basically, that if we, the people were having a police line up, these are the suspects we would be
bringing in.
You are judged by the company you keep, correct? Biden evidently feels great being surrounded
by murderers, rapists, officials who defrauded whole areas out of millions. Because that’s who he’s
already pardoned.
Step 1 (before now): publicize the worst , most blatantly harmful persons that Biden has issued
pardons for. Do it over, and over , and over.
Step 2 (NOW! phase) : Wait for the political swamp scoundrels to received their pardons.
Step 3: Bring up list number 1, and show list number 2.
Step 4: (Others may word it better..) Basically say if list one’s guilty scoundrels have been
pardoned, then it might be interesting to see what kind of crimes that list 2s pardons
have been doing.
Basically all of Biden’s political swamp pardons should be regarded this way:
“Excuse me officer, why are you pulling me over? I know nothing about the gas station that’s
just been robbed.”
The idea of a grand jury is a good one.
There’s always a trail. Put the whole puzzle together. Snare everyone who conspired.
Document it all.
Publish the…errrr…..truth! If what has unfolded constitutes high treason/sedition as many believe…..they cannot outrun that history.
At the least – ensure this cannot happen again without severe repercussions. No accountability equates to no rescue for the rule of law – period.
Nowhere in the PARDON issue is going to be a mention of “Insider Trading” and how Uni-Party hacks get RICH off of the information they receive. This is the path forward, every single American can get behind this, more importantly, we can rid ourselves of the majority inside 2 years! No SELLING the public on this one! Even the NGO’s get RICH off of stock deals, happens everyday!
Any person pardoned loses 5th amendment protection and, when subpoenaed, must answer any question truthfully under penalty of perjury. A deposition field day. Mountains of information not available previously.
Two things about this, which I’m sure others have considered .
1. No charges have been brought, so what is the pardon for ?
If their actions are/ were lawful, no pardon needed .
2. Bidung is mentally unfit to stand trial.
He is unfit to comprehend what he is signing /
doing as well.
Therefore, nothing he is doing is lawful, or valid
because of mental incapacity.
I would call a press conference, state the fact and
begin the process of getting justice for the people.
Which would be, they are being held for treason,
sedition, crimes against humanity and going to a
dark, hidden cell pending formal charges.
Enough with this nonsense of treating these bastards
as though they are not purposely trying to destroy our
nation and peoples.
I mean everyone, from the cop who held the door for
Grandma to enter the capitol, to Obama.
I would charge the dnc for domestic terrorism, etc.
All would face execution.
Some might escape it by cooperating and exposing.
Any activated foot soldiers get shot on the spot.
No quarter.
If President Trump does not answer this swiftly and
harshly, then forget maga, because it will not happen.
If nothing is going to be done, then President Trump
can issue all of us preemptive pardons so that we can
administer justice.
If preemptive blanket pardons are allowed to stand (I’m talking to YOU spineless weenies in SCOTUS), then ANY administration can commit ANY atrocity and dance away.
If they committed no crimes what is there to pardon, if they committed criminal acts how do you pardon them prior to accusing them of the crimes. I’m not sure who has the rubber stamp but somebody needs to take it back before it gets broken. Presidential pardons for undisclosed, unconvicted criminals is kinda suspicious, and at least a little hinky. I’m not sure pardons work like that, I believe you have to be convicted of a crime prior to be pardoned.
if this POS does this then trump needs to go after him legally for all the corruption and deaths and millions he took from china….hang him high….
POTUS’ pardon apply only to federal crimes and most federal crimes are also State crimes. Remember, John Brown was executed for, among other crimes, treason against Virginia.
But….is treason personable?
And if so……what if it’s proven that the 2016 election was in fact full of fraud, and foreign influence that was peddelled and allowed by the demonrats to install this incompetent resident of the White House?
TRUMP has said numerous times he has PROOF! If so….and is somehow delivered to the Supreme Court…..who in my understanding had told Trumps legal team that foreign influence and a rugged election would visiate everything
Would that not mean that everything the bumbling idiot did while serving as the resident would be nullified?
I look forward to seeing this proof Trump has. Not because I need it…I don’t. I already believe this, I want to see what comes of it.
I Am…..the curious cat when it comes to….this Supreme Court! There a a couple on there who pretended to be something they are not!
Are sedition and treason (i.e. being a participate in instigating a successful coup in 2020 and an attempted coup in 2024) time dependent or even pardonable offenses?
This may be the thing that puts an end to all federal pardons!! The fact that Biden alone has already pardoned more people than his previous 11 predecessors tells you something and he is hinting that there may be more to come in his last 7+ days?
How can a person be pardoned for something that they were not proven to have done. It seems unconstitutional.
Seriously… what in the world is a pre-emptive pardon or “blanket pardon”?????
This is absolutely NUTS!!
If you don’t pay a tax bill, they just garnish your wages or bank account! That is if you are just a regular American.
If you “parade” at the Capitol, invited in by Capitol Police, you get put in jail!! That is if you are just a regular American.
These people have done much, much, worse. Tar and feathers, in the public square.
It’s completely unconstitutional.
“…and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”
The power is to pardon offences, the power is not to pardon people.
So, if a person has not been given due process through a trial and convicted of an offense….there is nothing to pardon.
This is just like the 14th Amendment nonsense.
Dems and never Trumpers wanted to be able to just deem J6 an insurrection and Trump guilty of participating in said insurrection. Bypassing the cornerstone of our judicial system — due process.
That is not Constitutional….as courts correctly ruled.
Unless a person has been charged and convicted of an offense against the US, there is nothing to pardon.
biden is violating the Constitution, abusing the Presidential pardoning power, and obstructing justice by trying to protect these people from legitimate investigations. This includes hunter — that pardon was partially unconstitutional.
Can you imagine a newly elected candidate issuing a campaign promised blanket pardon for all his campaign workers, all his appointees, all his fundraisers, all his friends, all his party’s representatives, and all who voted for him, immediately upon taking office?
If you illustrate the absurdity by being absurd (Rush Limbaugh) the point gets made.
No, I can’t imagine that. I couldn’t imagine all the terribly destructive things biden did and is still doing.
(I miss Rush)
Our government is beyond redemption. How much evidence does one require, Burn it down.
When I first looked at the title I thought I read Blanket Party for Biden. I would pay top dollar to be involved in that