With the full support of President Trump working the members, House Speaker Mike Johnson won the speakership again on the first round of voting with only Republican Thomas Massie voting against Johnson. This was the first test of Republican resistance to President Trump and the DeSantis House coalition, aka the Freedom Caucus, conceded their first defeat.
President Trump called Texas opposition member Chip Roy personally, to put pressure on him to stop opposing the MAGA movement. It appears the pressure campaign was successful.
(Washington DC) – In a surprising move, Mike Johnson managed to tamp down a conservative rebellion and secured the support to remain speaker on the first ballot Friday, after two Republicans who initially opposed him flipped their votes.
After a long break, Reps. Ralph Norman (R-S.C.) and Keith Self (R-Texas) switched their votes to Johnson after initially backing others for the top House job. (more)
There’s a good background article on some of the discussions HERE. This is also a significant loss for the House Democrats and the left-wing of the UniParty apparatus. A prolonged speaker battle would have been good for their interests; however, President Trump intercepted the issue quickly and pulled Mike Johnson over the line in order to keep momentum moving forward.
Excerpt from the linked article: “This is not just a leadership battle. It’s a presidential succession battle,” said one Trump insider, who noted the havoc any delay would wreak on the Jan. 6 certification of Trump’s victory.”
It would behoove the House Reps and MAGA/Trump supporters to grow a pair and quit complaining over things not quite to their liking when in this instance the risk at hand was Trump not getting installed. R’s cutting their noses off in spite of their faces defeats the MAGA goals.
I’m not sure why so many MAGAs are quick to kick a topic around ad nauseum when it’s the wrong time to do so. Some people defy long-term logic and opt for short-term temper tantrums.
I remember in PT’s first campaign he played a song about one can’t always get what they want, just what the need.
Johnson needed to be named Speaker to avert handing the Marxists a talking point. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Johnson either shafted MAGA with his 1500 page giveaway to the Establishment status quo. If I were Trump I would say and do nothing until 2026 at which time I would make every effort to return the favor and back someone to primary Johnson and endorse and campaign for that someone. Remember how he got DeSantis nominated and then elected governor. He can do the same for a Johnson opponent. That is assuming Johnson hasn’t had a Come to Jesus moment and really has shed his RINO skin.
I don’t know how to edit. I meant to write Johnson either shafted MAGA wbthe 1500 pp giveaway or he got rolled. Either way not good.
After you post a comment you have about 10 minutes to hit the little cog wheel at the bottom right of your comment to edit your post!
i understand and agree with Sundance but I will take Massie over any of the other uniparty garbage in the house. watch the Tucker interview.
MAGA rule number 47:
….. You vote for your “issue” positions during the primary election
………..You vote for your party in the general election or the speaker race.
……………. You want to do something different, fine, resign and start your own “me” party.
So in your view, people should NOT represent their voters, but instead should be rigid oblivions doing what their majority whip says no matter what?
That’s how we got in this mess to begin with.
No thanks.
Always vote for the lesser of two evils .
Seriously? Wow. Why do you think our Party has been filled to the brim with rotten RINOS?
Us MAGA folks have to step up and get MAGA Folks to Run. Start Local and build to State Level.
MAGA from Bottom to Middle, MAGA from Middle to Top. Do a Scott Pressler.
THAT is a very good idea. Hopefully when we do, the quarterback doesn’t decide to pick someone from the other team…
In this case ie right NOW:
The Head COACH == President Trump (who was just re elected by voters in every district in every state to be that Head Coach.
President Trumps House Speaker QUARTERBACK == Rep Mike Johnson
A saying that I’ve found helpful when being tempted by worries about what could in an imaginary future scenario that someone else may find helpful too is…
“The past is history. The futures a mystery. Right now is a gift. Perhaps that’s why its called THE PRESENT”.
Which could be the last present we ever get.
How someone reacts to and uses their present reveals their current relationship with The Gift Giver.
Cozette: Mike Johnson is a water boy, not a quarterback.
Yeah, but he is OUR waterboy until we get someone better. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Now is the time for leaders. Mike showed he isn’t one during the last year. This isn’t a popularity contest or about party unity. Mike isn’t a good leader and can’t be trusted.
Totally agree, but, that ship sailed with Gaetz. We needed things to move forward in the new congress and Johnson was the quickest, surest path to new legislation, which is sorely needed ASAP.
Fun to watch hum F*** Trump the first chance he gets and the UNIPARTY tells him to do it
And it needs to start now because all these people need to be replaced period. Whether it is in 26 or 28. Same goes for the next president as Vance is not the one for MAGA.
“Vance is not the one for MAGA”
A puzzling comment.
Why?
DJT == THE man who copyrighted the word MAGA in 2012 to describe HIS Plan to Save America; a word thats used to describe those who have chosen to be on HIS team.
PDJT == the LEADER of MAGA
Who did MAGA’s Leader choose to be his VP?
Vance
Those who imply that they are an I-Know-Better by claiming to be speaking for MAGA rather than just speaking for themselves….
remind me of historian Paul Johnsons witty description of the famous “intellectual” and author, Tolstoy…
“Tolstoy acted as if he was God’s older (and wiser) brother”.
Johnson’s description of Tolstoy is also an apt way to describe the guy who PDJT fired and then referred to as ” Sloppy Steve”
and that guys followers who the guy refers to as his “posse” and who also claim to speak for MAGA when offering their personal opinion about something.
Hopefully they will all heed the many warnings about the dangers of pride before its too late to avoid their own fall.
Cozette, I guess you forgot that MAGA’s leader chose Mike Pence to be his VP in 2016. In all the years that I can remeber, the VP choice has been a political stratagem for both parties, and not a selection guided by moral character. I guess the better question is whether the fact that VP Vance was coronated by Peter Thiel BEFORE he was selected as the President’s VP choice is a major matter of concern. It may not be relevent to those “God Emperor” Tump accolytes who think that the President can do no wrong and that questioning any of his 4D chess moves is blasphemy, but to me, there is ample evidence to justify this questioning, including Project Warp Speed and two Deep State Attroney General picks in a row. I know, “he learned his lesson in his first administration and that will never happen again”. That remains to be seen. The “DC Swamp” abides.
MAGA is us, not DJT. DJT, going back to 2016, is known for being a poor judge of people. Vance is ok as VP, but unless he makes some major changes, isn’t someone I want to vote for as President.
Exactly what Libertarians have not done, which is why they’re not where they want to be. They’re like the recent undergrand that wants to start at CEO.
Your idea to grow the concept from local up (pick your issues wisely, locally relevant) will yield in the future. Otherwise it’s 1 (or 2) and done. I’ll be scattered to the winds by then but be nice if my grandkids could just enjoy some true peace.
RINOS will not let Conservatives or MAGA on the ballot anywhere. That is why another MAGA party is needed.
One word: Money!
We haven’t voted out the rotten RINOs. We have the opportunity in 2026 to out-primary McConnell, Thune, Collins & their ilk in the Senate & the chance every 2 yrs to oust those in the House. We have only ourselves to blame if we don’t fight harder than Trump to make it so every minute of every day. This is only a start.
Texas cannot get rid of John Cornyn till the GOP closes the primary and blocks the democrats from voting for Cornyn when challenged.. Cornyn is so intrenched the party of the ass doesn’t even run a challenger to his senate seat.. John Cornyn is the definition of a RINO
Sounds like you have identified your number 1 priority at the state level. 😉
There are already a sizable number of people in Texas who are counting down the days until they can vote for someone else in the primary. If Cornyn is re-elected again, it won’t be because he slid in without anyone noticing.
Wow. And seriously but without snark.
What do YOU imagine the words “RINO” and “rotten” actually mean?
Reason for asking:
From my 9+ years of daily observations on multiple online political sites, both words, but especially RINO, no longer conveys useful information (except perhaps about the user)
but instead has now become just a generic ad hom bomb trigger word.
Much like the many TDS triggers which are memetically summed up as “OMG Orange Man Bad”
I would agree with more often than not.
In this case he did vote for the lesser of two evils – and his vote didn’t prevent a RINO speaker (which IS better than a Democrat…most of the time).
Whatever happened to integrity? Yeah, I know, they are politicians and don’t have any, with the exception of Massie, evidently.
Massie is a a guy who illustrates what “integrity” looks like?
He’s an integrity pin up bro?
😂 😂 😂
Media Branding == Reality???
Perhaps this is a still duped (as intended) or someone who is not duped but hoping to dupe those who incorrectly assume that when a word like “integrity” is used it means the same thing to the word deployer as it does to their prey?
Either way, hopefully God will find a way to inspire a speedy wake up and savvy up recovery in 2025.
If you vote for the lesser evil, you are by your own admission voting for evil.
thick as a brick
“Vote for the lesser of two evils” == a common saying which conveys common sense advice around a common problem
“Vote for the lesser of two evils” == a theological treatise
However, the NT bible does offer the observation that “Only God alone is good” which anyone using the word “evil” to chastise others for accepting common sense voting advice will hopefully ponder until they have a change of heart.
Republicans in congress, by the ‘flip of their two-headed congressional coin’ keep changing their ‘evil’ so it never just one who can be eliminated.
You actually have to govern and not throw a hissy fit when you don’t get your way. If Thomas Massie doesn’t want to play ball with the Republican party, then he needs to run as a Libertarian. You are not going to get everything you want with slim majorities. President Trump and the GOP didn’t come this far for one aggrieved person to burn it down.
You made almost the exact same post down below Dan – I answered you there.
Bravo!
Or, Republicans should start acting like Republicans.
Seems to me like they are acting like R’s always act.
That’s why they are in this situation.
They don’t want MAGA, really and they don’t want President Trump either, they are just putting on a show, hoping against all hopes and dreams that in 4 years, they can go back to making the big bucks and screw MAGA!
Worst kind of politician, the Country-Club-Elitists with muh principles!!!!
The thing I can’t find any where is who were the challengers to Johnson? I hear all about muh principles and that Johnson is not good enough but I don’t recall seeing the good enough person step forward…
Maybe I missed something…
“or they can start acting like Republicans”
Obsrrvation:
No definition of “Republican” provided.
No criteria for judging whether someones actions conform with how a “Republican” acts provided.
Until provided, there’s no authentic way to engage.
Consequently no heart or mind engagement will be provided.
But prayers WILL be said for us all.
I do wish PDJT hadn’t raided the reps from the r side for his cabinet though!
but with “slim majorities” you can throw the votes and cause a whole bunch of things to happen.
think about how mcconnell has done it. used his position for a very long time in the minority to deny passage of so many things UNTIL HIS DEMANDS WERE MET. and when they were, he walks out takes the mic and declares, the votes were bipartisan.
what DOES MASSIE WANT?
you have to start thinking about it in those terms. this is how they roll in DC.
EVERYTHING IS NEGOTIABLE> there are no hard a fixed principles wrt to how you and I envision these people representing our interests. It’s only about using the leverage of a vote denied as a negotiating tool.
I suspect that President Trump probably didn’t even threaten Massie. Trump knows how this works.
MASSIE, what can we do to get your vote>? What do you need? Just tell me what that is and I will give you my word I will make it happen.
Massive…finally, we are getting somewhere.
lets not be nieve,…this is how they all do it. every single one.
and there isn’t really anything necessarily wrong with it, until you get to the point where DYSFUNCTION happens so toxicly that Congress can’t even dare to consider what happens when you stop balancing a budget and bam…you have a 36 trillion dollar debt…and a deficit causing interest payments that will soon be over 1 TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR…
Sooner than later we are really going to be in big big big trouble…and everyone will be to blame..
no one will be innocent. Congress will have no answer to this.
and then China takes over…
just
like
that
God Bless America
One thing of which you can be certain – what Massie wants has nothing to do with what his constituents want.
Thank you, Regitiger. You always sort the wheat from the chaff, and manage to make it intelligible to readers like me, who don’t have the life experience of others here who sound so knowledgeable about the inner workings and reality of our 21st C U.S. government.
There is nothing I can add to the discussion itself, other than to say that in my experience of roughly a half dozen years reading here, Sundance has always hit the bullseye.
Our returning President is taking on the gravest problems this country has ever faced: the enemy within, who works tirelessly toward the goal: the utter destruction of our nation as founded. That’s all I know. I’ll stick with Sundance, and with you and a few other names that have been around on these threads for a long time – always knowledgeable and always respectful of others.
God bless and protect you all. We have entered the tunnel, following our truly fearless Leader, and anticipating just how ugly this final battle for the soul of our nation is going to be. He’s going to make some decisions and do some things that may very well confuse us. I choose to believe that the objective is to confuse the enemy. I’m willing to get caught in this crossfire, believing that this is the right Leader to accomplish the mission – with all our help.
Thank you, Sundance, for your tireless efforts, your comprehensive analyses, and for not pretending. You have brought me through these last four years without sinking into utter despair for our nation and my grandchildren’s future.
God bless and protect you, and our President Trump.
I’m in your camp..😀👍..although I’m 89 my life was not spend sorting out politics..when I came on CTH, back several years, I was impressed with SD’s analysis..with the receipts…
Trump has my back as an American..I don’t pretend to understand all his movies but I trust him and his judgement..👍
🇺🇸💪😀👍
China has got it’s own massive economic problems. I doubt China takes over anything.
Massie does the nation a service by demonstrating that this is STILL a democratic Republic with free speech and capacity to disagree.
He also does us a service by bringing out a different view and remaining in Congress to vocalize it. THIS is how Congress is supposed to operate, with reasoned debate and considerations.
A Congress of factions walking in lock-step is only authoritarianism.
Possible PDJT floated his “support” for MJ, exposing “go along to get along” folks & highlighting the principled, in this instance only Massie?
❤
Bravo for these “Reality Bites”.
Hopefully they will help those who are still fast asleep and still believe that their Media programmed dreams are real
to wake up and start savvying up
before their time runs out and its too late.
62.1% of Kentucky voted for TRUMP.
Massie did NOT represent his voters’ interest in the SOH vote.
NONE of them voted for Johnson. They DID vote for Massie.
We do NOT live in a dictatorship – which is something a lot of you seem to have forgotten.
62.1% voted for TRUMP who had an opponent unlike Massie.
We need SMART, team players to have an effective President.
We do not need bandstanders. There is a time for a rep to fight for his constituencies on relevant bills.
A Jan 3rd SOH vote is NOT the time to rant over a SOH candidate when Jan 6th is looming for when the election needs to be certified so PDJT is inaugurated.
Massie selfishly ranted and stopped his feet like a self 2-year old. If he doesn’t know when to be a team player and when to fight for his team, he needs to quit as he makes himself worthless as a team member.
When people show you who they are, believe them.
As for you, learn the difference between a dictator and a team player.
Bravo!
“As for you”, maybe learn the difference between a President and a dictator – as well as the difference between a vote for president and a vote for a congressional member, as well as their respective jobs.
Then learn the difference between a vote that matters and one that had no effect on the final outcome.
ps. January 6 isn’t until Monday and ultimately it’s an arbitrary date that has no significance unless the task scheduled to start on that day isn’t completed before January 12th or thereabouts.
Asked and answered.
You aren’t a team player either.
Ok. We get it.
I’ve been on quite a number of very successful teams, playing an integral role in all of them, including leading a number of them (am currently in fact).
There’s a vast difference between a team and a dictatorship, as there is between a leader and a dictator. Our views on that and the nature of successful teams of varying kinds is where our main disagreement comes in.
‘Tis okay – disagreements are part and parcel of life. If you never disagree with someone, you either aren’t being honest or have no thoughts of your own. Further, discussions of differences help both parties to examine their own thoughts if they have an open mind and are honest with themselves.
A thought for you to ponder in closing (no need to answer) – if PDJT decides that he doesn’t want to make any necessary changes in “legal” immigration and instead wants to increase it, be it with removal of caps on certain visa times or higher numbers for various types, do you think all of the Congressional members should simply vote for it – being good team members and all that? What about continued large scale funds for Ukraine?
On some teams there are players that are poison in the locker room.
That is true – and such teams aren’t very successful…
…on the other hand, every successful team needs members who have original thoughts and input and aren’t afraid to speak up, as well as a leader who is willing to listen and openly consider such input. No human is infallible or thinks of everything or doesn’t make mistakes. The key is not making mistakes at critical moments or ones that aren’t able to be recovered from – which is why top leaders listen.
Ok but Johnson is the best you can do? He seems compromised. There’s not a better candidate? Gosar seems pretty good. Trump says Johnson ok but I still don’t like or trust Johnson. Why do all the speakers have to be lying crapweasels? Ryan, Mccarthy, now Johnson. All terrible. All sellouts. It’s maddening.
Irrelevant on Jan 3rd, day of voting, 3 days before election certification, that “they” didn’t prepare for another successful option. “Best I can do”??? Burden wasn’t on me.
if the Republicans had a super majority in the house (2/3) mathematically, the speaker would not have to be a “weasel”.
or would anything actually change? (it’s sort of a trick question…meaning we aren’t actually focusing on the right questions..and those our answers are mostly out of line to what actually happens in congress).
every SINGLE member, repu, democrats or demon possessed has only one single agenda:
how can I use my vote to make myself Rich, more influencial an pay back my campaign sponsors’ IOU’s.
sure you voted…sure you have every right to be ticked off these people are corrupt and refuse to do the things they promised…but the reality is they just don’t really care..they got your vote and that is behind them. thanks and aloha.
they work for the rich people who funded their campaigns..and for the new sponsors in lobby who slather them with more and more money…all of that is IOU deals….and wait for it…perfectly legal.
We can call it wrong..and it is…but that is how they operate…money talks.
no imagine what would happen if you and your fellow state voters had the power to recall your congressional member?
read that again…a couple of times.
some say it’s a far flung idea. and while that is true…isn’t it the remedy we are all really searching for.
if your member felt the heat of consequence by failing to do as promised, it would forever alter the agenda.
it’s something to think and pray about…
I’ve been looking at this particular solution for a very long time. you can recall your governor, your state legislator…
but not your congressional member?
Houston we have a problem.
God Bless America
Typically it’s who can fund raise for races the best is the Speaker. They raise and distribute campaign cash. You can’t continue the grift if you don’t support the Speaker, or have a Speaker that can’t raise cash.
It’s all about $$$. The system is designed to co-opt and protect the system. WE dont factor in to it.
Seem to recall Johnson being a team player, doing tur right thing not that long ago. That was before he had a meeting in a SCIF with members of the Deep State. He changed 180%.
Massie wasn’t the one trying to ram through a crapnibus.
Mike Johnson was.
Irrelevant the day of voting for SOH, 3 days prior to election certification.
Wrong timing.
If he can’t come up with a successful opponent, then he’s either a team player or he isn’t.
Need a SOH on Jan 3. He had zero backup plan, other than possibly electing Jeffries.
So, he stood alone, always to be remembered as the non-team-trump/MAGA player.
the one who got played, left holding the bag, was Massie.
Dumb.
Massie was the one who let McCarthy’s omnibus out of committee so it could be voted on. He could have killed it.
Massie is a problem child. We will see a lot more of this from him.
would not surprise me to see TM chuck it all – newly widowed, independently wealthy, relatively young… who needs this crap
Possible PDJT floated his “support” for MJ, exposing “go along to get along” folks & highlighting the principled, in this instance only Massie?
Sundance likes to draw a distinction between money and power, but for me they are so interlinked that they can be seen as two sides of the same coin. Politics is about yielding power, and will always be. “Mr Smith Goes to Washington” is great as a Capra-esque take on politics, but we need to live in the late Rush’s Realville.
Thank you. When compromise is his only stock-in-trade, what do you expect from a politician? Corruption is on a pedestal. We need a better system, but those drawn to politics are a special breed, and it ain’t pretty.
I think you’ll find everyone in the West has gotten into the same mess you guys in the US are currently in, by being enormously and wilfully ignorant about what evil people in our respective govts were doing to sabotage our children’s futures and Western civilisation generally. Most Americans like most Westerners generally – my estimate is 95% of us – are not just totally ignorant of every single thing these evil people have been inflicting on us for, literally, centuries, but most of us, are not just guilty of that, most of us resist the very idea of becoming educated in those issues. Instead, most of us insist there is nothing to see, democracy will win in the end, they hate us for our freedom, you name it, 95% of us Westerners, believe in that total fantasy. Ignorance is the root cause of our problems, but it’s not JUST ignorance, it’s WILFUL ignorance, which makes it so bad.
So when you talk about the majority view being the correct way out, you’re dreaming, it won’t happen. That 95% need to be FORCED to pay attention before their vote is EVER going to be worth anything at all.
It appears you misread or read into what I said. Never said anything about “the majority view being the correct way out.” That’s democracy, which my country is not – it’s a Constitutional Republic with a representative form of government. Democracy is 2 wolves deciding the sheep in their group is dinner.
I DID say members of the House are suppose to represent the people of their district. That isn’t necessarily a literal “always do exactly what they say” – it also includes “look out for their interests in spite of themselves.” What it isn’t is “do exactly what the party whip or even the president says to do”, much to the chagrin of some, or do whatever you want (which IS the way some of any of our nation’s congress/parliament members think).
I won’t disagree at all about a significant portion of the population being unaware of may things.
I will always disagree with dictatorships and blind following – which is also one of the things which occurs when people are unaware, even in groups of people that may be generally aware or even much more aware than on average. There is no such thing as “a little totalitarian”, just as there isn’t such a thing as being “a little pregnant.”
While it’s generally true that more people will tend to pay attention the worse things get, there is absolutely no way to “force” everyone to pay attention (as should be evident from the state of multiple nations today). No matter how bad things become there will always be those who simply go along, others who rationalize it away, and still others that will remain oblivious. The most you can hope for is that enough pay attention and are aware enough to keep it reasonably good. Part of that equation requires good leaders at multiple levels – which is another part of the issue in many countries, which often have none or only 1 or 2 at a single level.
You wrote: “I DID say members of the House are suppose to represent the people of their district. That isn’t necessarily a literal “always do exactly what they say” – it also includes “look out for their interests in spite of themselves.”
Do you or do you not think PDJT’s agenda is the one best aligned with the “interests” of the People? IMO it must be because I believe that is why he got elected. It is certainly why I voted for him with both excitement and hope.
So has Massie presented a way that his stance on Johnson can move forward constructively and not stymie PDJT’s agenda?
Since he has not, I see him as a grandstander. Being a grandstander might be a laudable position in some situations where that position does not support such destruction to the “interests” of the People. The vote for Speaker was not such a situation.
IMO that is the non-pretending reality we voters and the MAGA movement must recognize and make plans to defeat. Victory in the future will not be possible if we obstruct or handicap the current general while there is no counter-measure available and we then lose a critical and decisive battle that hands victory to our mortal enemies.
The people just spoke, they said what they wanted:MAGA.
Try and get a swimming pool or a new bridge for your district, but they were voted into Congress to support the RNC platform. Got that? MAGA, MAHA, MAWA, MASA.
So what part of MAGA, MAHA, MAWA, MASA do you consider Johnson? He doesn’t fit ANY of those viewpoints.
Who was the MAGA, MAHA, MAWA, MASA alternative that could actually win???
Harrison…maybe he fit a viewpoint of ..M I G A ……..
dude it’s over – horse is dead
That isn’t what he said, nor implied.
But having said that, a famous quote that I cannot find states that a politician does not stick his finger in the air to see what the will of his constituents is. He was elected on the positions he held and voiced in the election. He is to remain true to those positions, and himself.
It was a question, not a quote.
I would agree with the concept behind the quote you can’t remember – to a degree. So has Massie EVER indicated he was happy with Johnson? Was his position to do whatever he is told by others in government? I don’t think either of those was one of his positions. For that matter, is his action any different than some that he made during the previous 2 years, before he was re-elected by his constituents?
I say to a degree because of the reality that no politician covers every topic during their campaign that comes up during their term in office or even all of the ones they were involved in. When such things come up they most definitely should not simply ignore a strong voice from their constituents on the matter, especially when it is against their best interests.
Too, politicians should remember that most often they aren’t elected because their voters agree with all of their positions, but because they agree with more of them than they do the person they are running against.
The whole time, I was wondering: Was Massie, et al, representing their constituencies, or their own egos?
I never was sure?
That’s a very good question.
For myself, I can’t think of many instances when I read, heard, or saw anybody talking about how great a job they thought Johnson has done or weren’t often slamming him with a passion. Then there are all those memories of things he has done, including his recent attempt to shove through that 1500 page Democrat continuing resolution that was the opposite of MAGA.
I would have to say there was at least as good as not that they were representing their constituencies, even more likely than not.
Doesn’t the OT bible offer words to the wise about “a House divided”?
Is a ” no thanks” response wise?
Perhaps instead any view agitated feels around this as an invitation to ponder more after opening oneself to a Holy Spirit refresh that manifests as Christs like:
love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness and self control
Those who voluntarily choose to be on a TEAM, in this case the DC House Republican team, and are then are elected to be on that team,
are expected to, once that teams COACH, in this case, President Trump, tells the TEAM which play he’s finally chosen, to help successfully execute that play….
rather than being an I-Know-Better prima donna
As the OT bible warns “For everything there is a time and season”
There are times to advocate for your position. And there are times to help execute your coach leaders final decision….
or retire from the team asap and find something else to do that doesn’t require the ability to be part of a team
Then you end up with what we have….. entrenched RINOs that are more damaging than just having a straight up Democrat in office. I will not throw my vote away on RINos anymore.
Yes to rule number 47! It’s a corollary to Party trumps politics.
I learned 47 the hard way as a State Convention Delegate years ago when I was talked out of voting for my issue Candidate by a friend who assured me that they couldn’t win. If others like me had voted their issue, he would have won.
Booo
Never Party first and blind
Massie endorsed Mcconnell over Bevan back in 2014. https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/election/article44517705.html. He mocked and denigrated PDJT while campaigning for DeSantis as well.
So you think people stay the same, that they never learn or never improve? In this political climate, a decade ago feels like half a century. I know I’ve changed a lot in the last 10 years.
He might have changed from 10 yrs ago, but he campaigned for DeSantos and mocked PDJT 1 yr ago.
When people tell you who they are, believe them.
Rand Paul also endorsed Mitch or Bevin
I think Rand Paul is a phony too, however in the 2014 Republican primary race I am referring to, Paul endorsed McConnell when no one else was running. Bevin jumped in afterwards. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/02/10/why-rand-pauls-campaigning-for-mcconnell-he-asked-me-when-there-was-nobody-else-in-the-race
Paul single-handedly destroyed Trumps health care reforms in 2017. Rand can rot in hell.
He also voted against allowing PDJT to use the emergency designation to allocate the money needed for the wall that Trump was asking for.
Because McConnell controls the Kentucky RNC. If you don’t endorse McConnell, the RNC abandons you like they did Kari Lake.
President Trump endorsed McConnell as well.
Your point is mute.
Mute? Or Moo?
Or did you mean Moot?
Massie is actling childishly at this point. Anyone with any sense would know that if he succeeded in defeating Johnson or stopping him momentarily, it would be perceived as a defeat for a newly elected POTUS before that POTUS ever took the Oath of Office.
In other words, Massie’s actions would have weakened Trump.
With that, I am NOT happy.
I also took note that Massie was sporting the fashion of not shaving. Ordinarily, I wouldn’t think anything of this (although I don’t like it–either grow a beard or shave) and I wondered if maybe his wife’s sudden death was affecting Massie’s behavior. I felt very bad for him and his family. It’s always hard to lose loved ones, especially at her age, but the shock of a sudden death is really tough.
I’d forgotten his wife died. Five stages of grief. Sounds like he’s in the anger stage and going to rant and take out his issues on PDJT, which is us/MAGA. He and we would be better off if he resigned and he went through the grieving process in a healthy, healing manner. Then take his life from there instead of doing so much damage where he is now.
What is this overwhelming damage he did yesterday?
You’re acting like it is the equivalent of what McCain did on the fricking Obamacare vote…
Calm down…perhaps reread the Comment Guidelines.
As calm as can be Ad rem.
No offesnse, but what exactly did Harrison say that required an admonition to calm down? I don’t get it.
I would surmise my colorful description of DopeyCare was the main trigger for the incorrect perception, as well as what led to the reference regarding posting rules. Text can be a very tough communication medium to extract various types of cues from, especially emotion, and it’s easy for there to be misunderstandings as a result – particularly when you haven’t ever had face-to-face interactions with someone.
It’s a non-issue for me. Ad Rem and the rest of the moderators have a tough job to do, particularly when there is a “viral topic” and there are a large number of discussions taking place simultaneously. They do their jobs very well day in and day out IMO and am thankful for their willingness to do so as their hard work is one of the key things that makes the treehouse so comfortable.
As the old saying goes, no harm, no foul 😉
The more I watch Massie the more I catch the mask slipping, he appears to be an actor to me. Desantis / Bush faction imo.
Perhaps MaineCoon is right. Could be onto something. Maybe Devin Nunes can talk with him?
From afar(Massie is from KY, I’m not), he’s always been a bit schizo; some might say, “that’s politics,” it’s not to me.
he’s my rep – I generally like him but he is off the charts smart and self made independently wealthy. Hard guy to give advice to.
I agree, I like Massie alot
Yes, yes let’s support Massie who protected election fraud by vote in 2020
I have never been a fan of Libertarian Thomas Massie and today proved why. He was the only Republican who voted against Speaker Johnson. Some may say that he is a principled conservative, but he was so far out on a limb today, it seems that his only goal was to embarrass President Trump and the GOP. I hope Massie gets over his TDS and works with his Republican colleagues to pass tax cuts, spending cuts, the border wall, deregulation, mass deportations and energy dominance. If he just wants to ruin Trump’s agenda and destroy the GOP for 2026, maybe he can do us a favor and run as a Libertarian.
to think that libertarians are somewhat republican like is foolish
I agree. Massie obviously hates his Republican colleagues and is more aligned with the Libertarian party. He should run as a Libertarian and stop grifting off the Republican brand.
I responded to Amjean because he brought up the Libertarian issue, therefore it is not repetitive.
To think that Republicans are somewhat conservative is foolish.
to think Republicans are somewhat Republican is equally questionable.
If he is going to be a MAGA enemy, then we need to accept his choice and act accordingly.
When people show who they are, believe them.
I don’t agree with this association of Massie with Desanctimonious, who has a huge baggage, ranging from temperament and character issues to sketchy donors and very suspicious executive orders. You could write a novel.
Massie backed himself in the same situation as Gaetz, because both of them vowed to NOT vote for the sitting speaker even in the face of torture. Stop acting so virtuous from your couches. Besides, Massie knew his vote wasn’t needed for Johnson to be selected speaker – the other ones had less of an ego to lose. So it didn’t matter in the end. It went as I expected. I believe that if Johnson’s speakership rested on Massie’s vote alone, he would have relented eventually. And didn’t he vote for Johnson the first time?
I don’t know why he voted for Emmer now and not for someone like Byron Donalds, but Thomas Massie has proven to be an honest man. And just like Bannon, Massie is man enough to not hold a grudge against Donald Trump, although both were blasted by him publicly, and I’d say probably unfairly. I want to clarify that I’m 100% behind Trump and his decision. He is the greatest living American, but I also understand when he errs, because he’s human. I extend that courtesy to Massie, because he hasn’t shown deal breaking flaws. Johnson has, because he is a liar and a pathetic coward.
Massie mocked PDJT KEtlw.caa.mp4
Anything else? Because you have to have more than that. Thomas Massie made a mistake. You have to know the difference between him and a snake like Johnson.
Massie has proven himself to be a MAGA person.
Massie joked about writing in Ron DeSantis right before the election. He is no friend of MAGA.
Did you watch the clip?
Has PDJT ever mocked anyone on the campaign trail or threatened Congressional members with oblivion?
Did you watch the clip?KEtlw.caa.mp4
Did you answer my question?
Do you have a clip of PDJT ?
That isn’t an answer – but you knew that.
That was really awful. Cements my dislike of Massie.
Wish people would watch the clip. Its an eye opener. What a narcissist !
A voter can look at things more than one way too, based on circumstances.
To THIS voter, 1) once the President Elect backed Johnson and 2) no other Congress creatures had come forward earlier to present their plans/strategies for the future, any person voting against Johnson was not just casting a “No” vote for Johnson but a “no” vote to Trump and his power.
Therefore, THIS voter sees Massie as voting against me and my wishes and I won’t forget it.
Libertariansim is easy and has never produced a functioning society because of the nature of man.
Libertarianism is the “conservative” version of “liberal” progressivism.
Massie would not be the Congressman from Kentucky unless he had McConnells approval IMO.
Johnson owes his speakership to Trump. I’m no fan of Johnson, but he is going to do the president-elect’s bidding in the House and help push his agenda through knowing what will happen if he doesn’t.
Neither McCarthy or Paul Ryan had any allegiance to Trump. We’ll see if Johnson can develop some backbone with Trump support. We have got to say no to the spending PERIOD.
And a loss for republicans who overwhelmingly despise the speaker
I don’t have to be happy about eating a schit sandwich. But here goes….
Libertarian Massie needs to stop sabotaging the GOP. If he cannot get over his TDS, he needs to stop grifting off the Republican brand and run as a Libertarian.
Progressive Johnson needs to stop sabotaging the country. If he can’t get over his hatred of the nation, he needs to stop grifting off the Republican brand and run as a Democrat.
219 Republicans voted for Johnson. Massie voted for Emmer. President Trump and the GOP didn’t come this far for one aggrieved person to burn it down.
218 Republicans voted for Johnson.
Did he “burn it down?”
Bit melodramatic there, don’t you think? His vote didn’t even matter.
Two other people also voted against him initially. They had a conversation with PDJT and no doubt got a personal guarantee about something in exchange for their vote change.
And the world continues to spin.
He tried to burn it down. MAGA will watch what Massie does in the future. If he plays ball with Republicans, then he is good. Yes, he needs to move the conservative football even though it won’t be perfect.
Emmer is despicable. Massie supporting Emmer reeks of McConnell.
Perchance the message there isn’t McConnell or even actually supporting Emmer – it could be a way of pointing out that Johnson is despicable as well.
Naw, nobody would ever do that. Too much non-pretending.
Now that is a real stretch to make excuses for Massie.
Massie and DeSantis??
I admit to being shocked at seeing this alignment. I have doubted Sundance before, only to be wrong before.
I expect that the next several weeks to months will confirm that Sundance is correct yet again.
DeSantis is a has-been now and anything but a rising star in the Republican Party. Why would Massie align with Ron D when President Trump is closer to Massie’s political philosophy anyway. DeSantis is just Democrat-Lite like most RINOS.
Perhaps Massie got squeezed for his reveal? Strangely his wife died around then. Eric Bolling ran into a series of coincidental bad luck right after he announced his wanting to run for Congress as a PDJT-MAGA. Coincidences that form patterns are not coincidences. Joan Rivers had some real bad luck after revealing Obama was a homosexual and Michelle a tranny. Coincidentally she was given the wrong medication that caused her to die and her daughter to win a wrongful death lawsuit against the hospital. Coincidentally of course. Seth Rich was also no doubt a coincidence
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Evening Joe. I tried to answer your query yesterday – not sure you saw it.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/01/03/january-3rd-2025-presidential-politics-resistance-day-1446/comment-page-1/#comment-11441646
Got it. Thank you! 😉
A RINO in my view is NOT a Democrat light. They are actually the MOST dangerous DEMOCRATS in Congress.
RINOs are our biggest enemy.
Sometimes it’s hard to hear Sundance’s perception of things – but I have yet to see him truly wrong.. remember when he first came out against DeSantis? Way before many of us could see it. Very hard to believe so I just started watching DeSantis much closer and saw the clues til obvious that Sundance was right. That’s how I feel about what he’s saying regarding the Freedom Caucus – gonna watch them like a hawk.
I would suggest watching EVERYONE in Congress like a hawk, especially those whose voting records show them to be against the people (like all those voting FOR Ukraine aid).
Sundance was right on the money about DeSantis, and don’t get me started about the so called Freedom Caucus.
Any time an establishment tool like Sean Hannity lavishes endless praise on those people I know we need to be wary about them too.
Sundance has since 2009 admitted error once and it was because of some very unexpected and confusing elements
He provides insight AND details.
This is the same methodology as Dr Thomas Sowell. Professor Soeell’s detractors are routinely defeated by the comprehensive bibleographical material that support his stances.
I have since 2009 been impressed by both the source work AND the sources that contribute to this site.
freedom caucus.
the same people who voted to expand surveillance powers that avoid that silly little thing called probable cause and a court warrant?
that caucus.?
tomorrow they are going to change names to “liberty caucus”…you know because it seem more likely to fool even more people into believing this is what they are about.
I have zero faith in this double double republican majority in house and Senate.
the corruptors have all the means to furnish what they have long been after. and it’s not about defeating the democrats…
we need to seriously contemplate how we gain the power of recall to our congressional members and start that plan
pronto
36 trillion dollars in debt, with interest payments that will ellipse 1 trillion dollars annually for the deficit…
and there is no discussion from Congress on what to do about it.
not one single discussion.
pack it in, if you think things will just work itself out by having a majority. we ain’t in that club and it’s time we stop pretending we ever were.
we are just voters…the means to gain officer…there are no consequences and no real threats to change.
I have been consistent about my evaluation about where we are at with stage 4, revolution, transfer of power. This is where we ARE…but also that stage 4 brings with it a high potential for that power to become perverted away from the origins that fueled it.
and I think we have to take stock of where we are headed …what effects that Congress will have by not attending to the most critically national security threat this nation faces: our ability to climb out of debt.
I’m not confidence this revolution is going to produce what we had hoped for.
I’ll change my mind when we have votes in the floor to start cancelling spending, eliminating federal agencies and programs and people in mass and immediately diverting ALL of our national priorities to lock down borders, developing a fast track for re-shoring critical manufacturing and production at large scale, and putting really bad people in prison.
Until that happens, we are heading to a predictable collapse.
then we will argue what kind of Chinese language is the easiest to master…because that right outside the gate, preparing and licking its chops.
we have so many extremely important things to accomplish and meanwhile we have Congress literally re organizing deck chairs.
not good.
God Bless America
You aren’t wrong.
Meanwhile the tech billionaires are trying to position themselves to rape the unconstitutionally held federal lands, instead of the fed’s using those resources to pay the debt.
Massie’s got a really bad look on this one.
Career is over, the Uni-Party must really pay well.
All financed on the National Debt.
I doubt most people will remember within a few day who Thomas Massie voted for as SOTH except some members of this site.
Massey will be respected by Trump but Trump is the boss.
Next story.
Thomas Massie joked on X about writing in DeSantis’ name for president. I wonder how many of his supporters followed his lead. Also, if he were serious about the Speaker’s race, he would have made an impassioned speech for Tom Emmer, but Massie didn’t even do that because he knew it would look embarrassing. Instead, he just threw out Tom’s name during a roll call vote. Notice that the few Freedom Caucus members never have a plan to actually govern. They just want to derail Trump’s agenda and pose for the cameras.
That definitely is a signal he is owned. The Speaker position is very important as shown by Council On Foreign Relations Newt McConnell Gingrich, singlehandedly destroying the Republican Revolution of 94, and facilitating his fellow CFR comrade Billy Boy Clinton’s sordid crime spree against Heritage America. Next up Speaker Dennis Hastert, Podesta buddy and pedophile, then Lyin Ryan, and the Kings McCarthy. Rino -fabian traitor after traitor. PDJT needs MJ to certify his election.
9 questions about Kevin McCarthy’s downfall and House GOP chaos, answered
https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/10/4/23903781/kevin-mccarthy-speaker-house-chaos-questions-answered
So important that a speaker who has done more damage than most democrats is left in the position CK? THAT important?
Harrison I get it, Tara Servatius points out every morning on my drive to work how much damage MJ has done.
I believe PDJT needs him so he can get certified to be President. If PDJT is supporting this guy than I believe our real President & statesman PDJT has good reason for it. You of almost all people here I would hate myself for getting into an argument with here.
I watched the Mockingbird Fake News gaslight us that CFR NAFTA Newt was his Frenemy CFR Clinton’s biggest enemy while Newtie was helping China owned Billy Boy pass every treasonous trade attempt they could get their traitorous hands on and do nothing about Pat Buchanan’s Border Wall, and finally “fixing” the Immigration problem they really do not want to fix, per the Mark Dice video I posted today on the PT. So every CFR managed Mockingbird media outlet was telling their Plato Cave’s TV watchers how much Newt opposed Clinton, while the opposite was the case.
We need to get PDJT into office first and foremost. With respect to you my friend
My friend, no two people on earth are going to always agree and there is really nothing wrong with discussing those differences 🙂
One thing to keep in mind is that sometimes there are particular points or concepts that I think are important that my comments are about and they don’t necessarily indicate general disagreement on something (nor that there is any emotion involved, contrary to apparent perceptions at times, other than perchance a touch of mirth).
As far as getting PDJT into office – we are far from there yet and even if the vote takes place without issue Monday, we still won’t be there. I’m sure you realize that.
With that said, up to and until House events prevent his inauguration on the 20th, they aren’t…i.e. if it took until the 12th to get everything sorted out, it would still be sorted and the House events wouldn’t have prevented it. The mad, headlong rush to meet arbitrary deadlines is often what has caused enumerable problems.
Sorry if this shows up late – I’m apparently in the doghouse.
Gosh Harrison, I am realizing you are the one that has provided so much incredible information from Western North Carolina and Tennessee after Helene–you have my utmost regard and respect. I am no fan of Johnson either –just gotta get PDJT in the White House !
Thanks, but no worries Righted. Disagreements or discussions about differences aren’t bad things. Always be willing to voice your viewpoint and as long as you feel it’s correct/good, defend it with an open mind. 🙂
You are just like Massive. Read article again. Trump is well aware now of weaknesses, but renegades in a tiny majority are worse than a weak speaker.
Johnson has just seen the power of Trump. This contributes to his understanding that the TDS are routinely falling like dominoes. More importantly, MAGA has united the people as TDSers have been terrified of seeing, because it exposes the attempts to divide and damns the renegades, not Trump.
Trump lives by MAGA but WE are ALL MAGA.
It is different and the swamp is panicked.
Trafficking and importing criminals is linked to swamp and uniparty.
If Johnson is uniparty, like Lindsay, he has to choose to either bet on the derailed swamp or Trump.
Or he gets treason conviction by the people, far more powerful than kangaroo justice..
Don’t know who “Massive” is. No need to re-read the article, I have very good comprehension and considered it before commenting.
My question was for CK, who is a friend, and about something very specific he said. Thanks anyway!
If it’s that important, why didn’t Massie run for the job and take Johnson on mono a mono?
Or more like don’t stand a chance to govern because of the uniparty “Republicans”.
If Massie were serious about the Speaker’s race, he would have run for the position and taken Speaker Johnson on head-to-head. Republicans could have held a closed-door election like a primary. Winner runs unopposed for Speaker and gets 100% Republican backing in 1st round.
Instead, Massie grandstands, talks to the media, and causes a bunch of unnecessary drama that only benefits Democrats.
Massie claims he is standing on principle. It’s telling that his principles do not include getting his party’s President-elect through the Electoral College certification process without any issues.
time to face the facts
they are mostly all in this political farce
for one reason only
for themselves only
money and power
You can’t take the libertarianoids out of Libertarians just like you can’t take the DemocRAT out of the RINOS. Live and learn.
Rinos likes to play minority because it enriches them. Making a stand based on principles or actually working for your constituents are harder. The grift that McConnel initiated works.
President Trump, MAGA and the American voters didn’t go through four years of hell just to allow one aggrieved Libertarian to destroy our America First movement and destiny.
It’s a win; take them when they show up.
Speaker Johnson, have you released the J6 videos and the House hush money list yet?
If not, what are you waiting for?
So no more non balanced budgets and smaller government.
That’s what the folks need.
The sky is falling! the sky is falling!
Speaking of DeSantis, he and his young daughter were courtside at the Ky vs Fl basketball game. He was near the Ky bench. Fl was winning in the first half but he didn’t look like he was enjoying himself. It struck me as odd. He had the best seats in the house and never applauded or showed any emotion. Because of his position on the court, he was on TV a lot. At the end of the game the UK coach bent over and shook hands with him. Wouldn’t you be smiling at least some of the time??
Probably disappointed he didn’t sabatoge Trump in the Speaker’s race.
The Trump Administration could not proceed with its agenda without a Republican speaker. There was no upside to dragging this out and there was no alternative candidate for speaker. The Republicans in the House need to start distinguishing between when they must stand together as the majority (barely) voting bloc and when they can object on principle.
The Democrats ability to always vote in Unison is one of their most powerful weapons–Unlike Republicans that sell their vote to the highest bidder.
Because there are consequences for Democrats that stray off the reservation after the agenda is gamed out.
If Massie were a Democrat and a constant contrarian, Pelosi would have ended his political career long ago. No committee assignments for you, Massie.
AOC was like that early on; she got reined in real quick.
Dems are criminals and Republicans are whores.
Would be nice if the Republican Party would either get on the MAGA train or get out of the way. Yes, we vote but then does anyone ever make a phone call or physically visit their congressman’s office? These people need to feel the voice and presence of their voters. Republicans are either RINO’s/Democrat or Republican. Democrats are always democrats! No emails, no letters….phone calls and get into the offices. Take a group of people with you.
I call routinely, and donate where needed.
But all I usually call are offices in other states, because in blueMA I have nothing but DementoRats to call.
I did call my congresscritter once recently – to advise her to be smart and shut the government down.
I get so tired of having to watch President Trump, in addition to having to fight back hordes of vicious, corrupt Democrats, having to drag weak kneed sister RINOs across the finish line.
While these same weak kneed, whiny RINOs he’s having to help simultaneously trying to trip him up. And after he’s dragged them across the finish line, they show their gratitude to him by trying to stab him in the back as soon as they’re strong enough to get back on their feet. Rob “Meatball” DeSantis is a prime example
I am pleased to see that the House was able to conclude this bit of “administrative business” in a timely manner.
But, in the future, I think that both Chambers should re-define the role of “speaker.” Reduce the power of this position to a basically administrative one. Set a schedule to regularly swap Speakers so that no one is “stuck” doing the boring stuff for very long. The Constitution merely says that both Chambers will set their own rules. It says nothing as to what those rules must be.
It is interesting to me that the appointment of Johnson was the very first time in our nation’s history that the House actually fired(!) its Speaker. I wish that this could become “the new normal” for both Chambers. The “traditional ways of doing business” are not necessarily the best ones. “You serve at the pleasure of your Peers,” and you should simply carry out your duties with the clear understanding that you might be replaced at any time. For any reason, or for no reason whatsoever.
Government is rebuilding the Tower of Babel. Every one of them speak a different language according to the interests of their benefactors, who in turn enriches them for their service.
I saw a short video of Chip Roy taking a phone call and figured it was from PDJT.
My two-cents: Thomas Massie is by far the best Congressman in the Congress, not a close 2nd. He was also right for vocalizing his opposition to Johnson. In my opinion, Sundance’s dislike of Massie is one, weird, and two, comes from two things; Massie’s insistence on voting on the inflation/corporate bailout bill during the lockdowns instead of letting the bill not be voted on by anyone, yet becoming law. For someone to actually and correctly call for the Constitution to be followed during this time ticked a lot of people off, including Trump, who threatened to primary Massie because of it. Obviously the other Massie’s support of he and his wife’s friend, Dessantis, during primary. I did agree with his support, but I get why he did it. He wasn’t going to support Trump after Trump wanted to primary him due to his wanting the vote to happen during the lockdowns.
Disagree. Massie is weird. He opposes President Trump at a critical juncture right before the inauguration. Not acceptable. He’s a fly in the ointment. BTW. Has the cause of his wife’s death ever been revealed? I could be wrong but I don’t think it has. That is also VERY weird.
Hope DJT has someone frequently reminding Johnson to whom Johnson owes his speakership.
OK.. made some lemonade with these lemons
The Art of the Deal. Mike Johnson owes President Trump. And that is leverage.
Sorry, I don’t see the ‘leverage.’ PDJT will be gone in four years, maybe sooner if 2026 elections give back majorities to the Dems. Johnson will be around for a long time. The first six months of his term will be slow-rolled by House and Senate RINOs.
So, any thoughts on what exactly happened with Matt Gaetz? He was nominated for AG, resigned his seat immediately, then dropped out of contention for DOJ with no fight at all, made all kinds of threats/promises about coming back on the 3rd to fill his seat, vote for Speaker, demand the release of ALL payouts from the Congressional Slush Fund, and then resign on the 6th, after the Certification of the Election….
But he sent a letter yesterday saying he was not going to serve, even one day…and other than that, crickets! If he had been there and cast his vote for Johnson all the drama with Massie wouldn’t have mattered but evidently he gave it all up for an OANN gig? Really? Something else going on but I sure can’t figure out what it is!
Be glad all this happened when it did, his self-disqualification.
That is what I was thinking but also wonder when “the rest of the story” will come out, because there is surely more to it…
Nothing Massie did mattered anyway – Johnson was elected without his vote.
Starting off there were 9 GOP members who didn’t vote for Johnson. Eventually 6 of the 9 voted yes, leaving 3 that didn’t and had all voted for someone else. Two of the three had talks and then changed their voters, lifting Johnson to the speakership.
No comment on Gaetz.
Could this possibly have been some quid pro quo connected to the Speaker votes?
agree with Sundance. momentum 100%. once again, this vote was NOT about principles of any kind. this vote was totally 100% about forcing the Senate to certify the electoral college vote. THIS was 100% about getting us to 20 Jan. AFTER that… “Nessun Dorma” bitches. (nobody sleeps)
I Consider Massie A RINO not MAGA, but Johnson is a RINO too based on the 1547 page leftist drivel he put out for a vote before the 118 pager that passed to fund the government. He constantly relies on Dems to pass legislation. Why any R would vote for him mystifies me. Johnson’s leadership record is pure Paul Ryan and John Boehner. He should be primaried and removed from the Party. Why Trump backs him makes me trust Trump less.
House Members and Senators do not consider themselves representatives of the people. They only drag out that old chestnut when they need the illusion of support in their struggles with others.
House Members and Senators are more properly thought of as courtiers, whose job it is to proffer obeisance to those people and global institutions above them while gathering power at their own level for the purpose of accruing “fiefdoms” and creating indebtedness in their fellow courtiers. Large spectacles, like the election of House Speaker is more about flexing this power, showing their loyalties to those who demand it and their contempt to those they can. These are games, only.
Their highest contempt is for the American people, whom they have left behind long ago and who are not even on the game board. Back when those whom the courtiers serve were not in complete control of the nation, there had to be some show of responsiveness to the American people, to ensure that the resistance only went so far and the game was protected. Sometime during the Clinton administration, the game was complete, the winnings assured, and there was no need to truly respond.
This is why we are now groped at airports before we are allowed to board, injected by force with pharmaceuticals that have already caused great harm, and threatened with the very real loss of our children for not accepting absurdities and lies about biology. The Americans that do push back are now considered enemies of the state and the courtiers understand that this really means enemies of the powers they serve. Sometime in the 1990s, the iron fist was finally able to discard its velvet glove and we became totalitarian subjects. Our last hope was an elderly reality TV star and real estate mogul whose personality corralled us and gave us a place to focus our outrage.
But remember, we live in a world of theater, a world of astroturf. The best way to have power over a real opposition is to create a fake one and allow it to contaminate the real one. That’s what was done with Occupy Wall Street and the recent college protests, funded by Soros and Gates. Real voices were silenced by the astroturf. The other option is to take a peaceful, legal action and make it an abomination. That is what they did with January 6. That is what they do with every person who defends himself or others against criminals.
Real Americans are having their voices threatened, stifled, clamped and used against them, while the voices of those in obeisance to the globalist controllers can utter the most illogical inanities and never even be mildly chastised. Apparatchiks can argue that setting fires is “mostly peaceful protest”, that the vaccinated are in terrible danger from the unvaccinated (utterly absurd in vaccine theory) and that white males are the most violent people in America (in complete contradiction to the actual empirical statistics). No one says a word because these are the lies they have been told to repeat.
And still we haven’t yet realized that we are living in their stage set, in their script, in their rabbit hole prison with a hookah smoking caterpillar and a Red Queen that is yelling “Off with her head.”
The Massie supporters can do MAGA a favor and join the Libertarian party. MAGA wants to get stuff done like tax cuts, border security and energy dominance. Don’t bog us down by sabatoging the GOP. If you wanted Massie’s vision of doing nothing, you should have elected Ron Paul.
The Freedom Caucus is very good at accomplishing nothing.
True
Unburdened and free from accomplishment.
‘President Trump intercepted the issue quickly and pulled Mike Johnson over the line in order to keep the perception of momentum moving forward.’
Nothing has happened so far, and the majority of congressional republicans have been silent.
DOGE is going to turn out to be a ‘shiny ball distraction’ for Trump supporters, I like to see Congress address how the left controls our ‘public airwaves’ suppressing conservative values and opinions.
Greenland is another distraction, kick China out of Panama.
The Massie bros sound more like democrats, i.e., more idealistic than practical. If Massie had his way, there would be no speaker yet and therefore no certification of the election on Monday. You have to keep your eye on the prize.
Mike Johnson is your typical piece of shit politician. He had his chance to prove his worth—and failed miserably. There are numerous occasions when he has betrayed us. The most recent two are the 1500 omnibus and not including raising the debt ceiling.
It also started right after he was elected to the speaker when McCarthy was ousted. For the record, another piece of shit duplicitous republican.
My only hope is that ‘47 stepping in and twisting some arms helps leverage the said POS SOH. Time will tell…
If we don’t get tax cuts and the border closed in one bill, I’m concerned. They’ll dally and want to negotiate more pork and it may never happen. I could be wrong. Time will tell.
If we don’t get the MAGA agenda promised—they are ALL talking a good game—burn it down and expose all those corrupt politicians. Johnson and his wholesome appearance is compromised. That’s how they got him to do a 180 after he replaced McCarthy.
I like Thomas Massie but he too can be vindictive and retaliatory. He voted for Tom Emmer for Speaker! Emmer is a Ryan/McCarthy/Boehner accolyte. For such a supposed principled person how does this square?
It doesn’t.
Emmer is the definition of the big wasteful spending sewer.
I most certainly agree that Ms. Pelosi needs to be committed. And if I may, I hear that Gitmo has some wonderful places where one can be isolated from the rest of society before they take their final plunge.
And I do hope that Speakah Johnson learns who butters his bread. He now owes President Trump bigly & had better stay in line lest he join the spineless former Speakah Kevin McCarthy on the unemployment lines.
For President Trump giveth & President Trump can just as easily taketh away Speakah Johnson.
Someone needed to state the case against Johnson and Massie did a good job of that. He knew there was no chance of unseating Johnson.. What do you bet people like Chip Roy and others who fell in line when they voted were willing to let Massie state the case against Johnson to let him know that if Johnson doesn’t fight for the MAGA agenda there will be a move to oust him in short order. I believe the way this unfolded was strategic.
Massie voting for Emmer was 100% sarcasm. Guy is brilliant, and nothing wrong with tweaking Trump and Johnson a little. Not an AIPAC lapdog either. Plus he just lost his soulmate.
Massie is my Rep KY4.
Congressman Massie is seldom wrong on issues
He articulates his voting record w his constituents – ALWAYS.
Considering the porkulus Continuing Resolution Speaker Johnson tried passing, I’m inclined to think Rep Massie is spot on.
If Rep Massie is correct, he will be the first to initiate Johnson’s ouster.