When I read the New York Post article proclaiming that President Trump supports the fraudulent system known as H1B visa hiring, I knew something was amiss because we previously looked at Trump’s various business hires and use of the visa process.
Apparently, the NY Post called President Trump to get him to weigh in on the controversial subject that has been triggered by Elon Musk saying he would “go to war on this issue” to maintain the H1B visa system -and subsequent foreign employment for tech skilled workers- his various companies depend upon.
Here’s the topline takeaway from the article that has triggered many:
(NY POST) President-elect Trump told The Post Saturday he supports immigration visas for highly skilled workers, appearing to side with Elon Musk in the roiling intra-MAGA debate on the issue.
“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them,” Trump said by phone, referring to the H-1B program, which permits companies to hire foreign workers in specialty occupations.
“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” added Trump, who restricted access to foreign worker visas in his first administration and has been critical of the program in the past. (more)
However, if you go to the Dept of Labor website, search or download the database of H1B employment, specifically filtering to Trump’s various companies, what you will discover is that Trump Inc doesn’t use the H1B visa system at all. [Check for Yourself Here]
How does this reconcile? Well, having previously looked at the visa use by President Trump in his various companies {SEE HERE}, I can confidently assert (Occam’s Razor) that within the interview President Trump conflated H2B temporary worker visas, which he does use in his service industry, with H1B visas which he does not use.
The H-1B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as workers in specialty occupations of distinguished merit and ability. At least that was the intent of the program before it was abused by companies who saw the opportunity to avoid domestic market wages and find alternative cheap sources of skilled labor in the tech sector. That abusive ‘labor diversion’ process has now expanded to find H1B claims in other sectors. So much so, there are now a myriad of companies requesting H1B status employees for their various interests.
The H2B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as “temporary workers” mostly in the service industry where extreme seasonal fluctuations in business make it challenging to hire from a very limited market base. H2B workers are found in hotels, resorts, restaurants and service companies anywhere you find big seasonal shifts in service businesses, like Trump resorts.
As previously noted, Does the word “Snowbird” ring a bell? Florida has a “tourist season” which runs from (generally speaking) just after Thanksgiving to Easter annually. January, February and March are the peak. The first Monday in February is the absolute peak as almost every time-share and hotel unit flips that week.
The volume of work within the service and hospitality industry doubles during the tourist season, and those businesses who hire within the general labor market struggle to increase their labor in relationship to the increase in business. In addition, local workers looking for employment are reluctant to take temporary or “seasonal” jobs, and prefer longer term -more stable- employment.
Many businesses need to double, or in some cases triple, their workforce in order to meet the business demand. As a consequence, many companies, including Trump owned resorts, have used H-2B visa workers to fill the gap between large fluctuations in business and the needed staffing shortfalls. From my own experience, many of the workers are students from South America (Argentina, Brazil, etc) who take the seasonal jobs Nov/Dec – March/April between their college seasons – and then return home.
Bottom line – President Trump is referencing H2B visas which he does use, and not H1B visas which he does not use. Whether President Trump conflated the issue, or whether the Murdoch owned New York Post intentionally constructed their questioning to create a clickbait controversy, is entirely up to the reader to determine. I think it’s likely a combination.
♦ All of that said, the issue of H1B replacement workers displacing American workers is not going away regardless of how uncomfortable it makes the Silicon Valley crowd. Many highly skilled Americans have been impacted by the issue of H1B replacement, and the inherent fraud within the special interest employment system is a critical issue for a large percentage of the MAGA base.
In fact, for context you might remember the 2017 Trump suspension of visas from Muslim countries. In response to that suspension, the state of Washington filed a lawsuit against President Trump seeking an injunction to continue the visas. The main subject of their opposition was the financial impact to Microsoft and the H1B visa use.
BYRON YORK, 2017 – “Why is Washington State mounting such a vigorous challenge to President Trump’s executive order temporarily suspending non-American entry from seven terrorism-plagued countries? Of course there are several lawsuits against the president, and there are lots of motives among the various litigants. But Washington State’s is the suit that stopped the order, at least temporarily. And a look at the state’s case suggests that, behind high-minded rhetoric about religious liberty and constitutional protections, there is a lot of money at stake.
Judging by the briefs filed by Washington State, as well as statements made by its representatives, some of the state’s top priorities in challenging Trump are: 1) To ensure an uninterrupted supply of relatively low-wage H-1B foreign workers for Microsoft and other state businesses; 2) To ensure a continuing flow of high-tuition-paying foreign student visa holders; and 3) To preserve the flow of tax revenues that results from those and other sources.
[…] Washington State argued that its residents have suffered from the Trump order, or might suffer in the future, because some of the state’s biggest businesses rely on H-1B visas, which are often used to bring foreign workers to U.S. companies at lower wages than their American counterparts.
“The technology industry relies heavily on the H-1B visa program,” the Washington State lawsuit said. “Microsoft, a corporation headquartered in Redmond, Washington, is the state’s top employer of high-tech — or H-1B visa holders and employs nearly 5,000 people through the program. Other Washington-based companies, including Amazon, Expedia, and Starbucks, employ thousands of H-1B visa holders.” (link)
Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks, Elon Musk (with his influencers) and the tribe in/around Silicon Valley, have placed their flag of influence on this H1B hill. They are willing to do whatever it takes to retain this system, much to the angst of the MAGA supporters who have been victimized by it.
When a system has been so thoroughly corrupted as to now create harm, there should not be a great deal of controversy in suspending that system until the market can correct itself. However, losing control of the H1B visa system is viewed by the Silicon Valley tech group as a non-starter position.
♦ It will be interesting to watch how Silicon Valley’s ally, JD Vance – a political entity wrapped in the cover of Hillbilly values, reacts to this H1B visa and immigration debate.
As we watch the arguments inside the H1B debate, it is worth remembering the group who promoted, pushed and ultimately influenced the JD Vance nomination consisted of: Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Ackman, David Sacks, Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg and of course, Vivek Ramaswamy. On the inside of the Trump orbit, the network had Donald Trump Jr also promoting JD Vance.
JD Vance was then invited to be an attendee at the June 6th San Francisco fundraiser for President Trump, hosted by Sacks and Palihapitiya, and that’s likely when the first one-on-one running mate discussion between President Trump and Senator Vance took place.
Usha Chilukuri Vance, the wife of Ohio Senator J.D. Vance, quit her job as a corporate litigator at DNC-affiliated Munger, Tolles & Olson, within minutes of hearing that JD had been selected as President Trump’s Vice-President nominee and running mate. Usha Chilukuri-Vance worked in Washington DC for the firm.
The American workers who Silicon Valley advocate for replacing with foreign workers, are the proverbial “Saxons, with nothing to lose.”
The Big Tech group may not have initiated the background; in fact, the offshoring and replacement cycle was started many years before. However, when you strip a group of Americans of their value, label them, ostracize them, ridicule them, belittle them and then denigrate them for failing to support your abuse, think “rust belt”, you create a group of Americans with nothing left to lose.
Calling people “racist” and “nativist” who voted for President Trump specifically on this issue is not going to work. Musk et al should be very aware that this H1B debate is targeting the “nothing left to lose” American team.
If they think their immigration position is both zero-sum and survivable, think again. There is much for them to lose. The true zero-sum position is already held by a much bigger tribe of American workers who truly do have nothing left to lose.
Silicon Valley ends up fighting an army that will never concede because they have already been stripped of everything they hold dear.
Beware the wrath of the angry Saxon. This immigration topic is Musk, Ramaswamy and Sacks’ first trip into what they call ‘flyover country.’ They are experiencing strong MAGA pushback, something very new and uncomfortable for them, likely for the first time; hence, their emotional reactions.
We understand the UniParty is smiling as they see us debating this issue; however, if Making America Great Again doesn’t benefit working Americans, then what exactly is the point.
IMO, the reason Elon, Vivek and Sachs went out on this H1B limb is because behind closed doors they made the case to Trump: “… this is the price of our support”. And (again, imo) Trump’s response, classic Trump, classic Apprentice: “Go for it, make your case in public, see how it goes, perhaps you’re right, we’ll just see”.
And he knew all along exactly how this was going to go. As he has said before: “sometimes you can’t just tell them” (in this case Tech oligarchs) “sometimes you have to show them”. Now they know. This plan of theirs will *NEVER* fly.
That is the best case scenario at the moment.
“Trust The Plan”
Trust God cuz the plan changes every day.
So they need to make the case as to why this is in the best interest of the American citizens, now.
If not modify it until that is the case in the near term.
In the long term major policy changes in education must be made, starting with DEI and anti Western values.
A good first step would be to collect data on all those who have H1B Visas and ensure that all return to their home country when their Visa expires. Also halt issuing new visa until the number of employees with H1B visas goes below the 85,000 cap which appears to have been ignored.
Regardless, if Elon’s powers of persuasion and “diplomacy” is to tell his opposition to go “f your face” , he’s already lost the argument. That might work on defenseless slaves, but not on free men and women.
Agree.He says he champions free speech, and welcomes debate.
“Jane, you ignorant slut” is a funny line on SNL, but it is understood that free and open debate, as the only path to TRUTH, should not be cluttered up with personal insults or threats.
I strongly suspect if anyone else had posted what he did, they would have been put in time out.
And I see he tried to walk back his statement, admitting the system needs reform, and focusing in increasing the costs, so H1B workers cost more, which is not really addressing the issue.
“increasing the costs, so H1B workers cost more, which is not really addressing the issue.”
But it addresses the reality of abuse of H1B visas which is to hire lower priced labor. If you can hire someone for the same job and don’t have to pay market rates (most of these high tech companies are in major cities) by questionable practices (such as virtually impossible job requirements – oh look, we can’t find any Americans for this position), who wouldn’t find that tempting? Not only are their salaries lower, but they don’t receive benefits. If you have to pay more for a foreign employee, then that abuse goes away.
There is a different visa that addresses the best and brightest. There are plenty of capable Americans who are being laid off or not hired at all because companies are hiring H1B visa employees instead.
“He tried to walk back”
Attempting to help an “ignorant slut” by offering clarifications and corrections of his actual thoughts that the “ignorant slut” got wrong =/= a “walk back”
Additionally, changing ones mind after getting new info then vetting and thinking about it =/= a “walk back” or a “flip flop” ie something negative..
Instead, to Light Hearteds, people who are willing and able to engage with people who have different ooinions and to change their opinion based on new information are ADMIRABLE.
People like PDJT. And Elon. And .any other Light Hearted members of Trumps MAGA Team.
F-Your-Face will not be forgotten.
We have long memories.
“F-Your-Face will not be forgotten. We have long memories”.
❤ those who have ” long memories”
They can help those who don’t have long memories who are being intentionally emotionally manioulated, triggered and mislead that actually
“F-Your-Face” is a vary famous, still commonly used, comedic movie line.
People who still believe that “Snowflakes” and “Meltdowns” are exclusively a left wing/democrat phenomenon are obviously very mistaken.
Ditto “Crybullies”, Karens. Kens. And Rage Mobs.
F-Y-F is not a famous line to me. No matter famous or not, no matter the reasoning behind EM wanting to say it, it reflects extremely poor reasoning to do so, elevated far beyond pre-7.13 timeframe, as co-chair of DOGE, he represents first and foremost PDJT. It reflects on the man who selected him for this non-senate-confirmation position. Thirdly, he represent MAGA patriots & all other citizens who will see the necessity of his task at hand.
At the very least, his comments were extremely bad judgment and will taint and make questionable his determining judgments at DOGE.
Just a consequence of his actions/words. I think he will do much good there, but he has now quickly learned that MAGA patriots have nothing else to lose, particularly after stealing 2020 and the downward slope thereafter, and we will not let him determine H1-B visa policy based on extreme insults and threats of war.
He shot himself in the foot on this one.
So did Vivek.
Personally, I’m very free and consequently I am now freely sharing my current feels….
I have always loved the way Elon communicated on his personal Twitter account. Like now President Elect, DJT, he was one of the earliest Twitter users. And from the early 1990s both Soon and Musk were known as Twitters most famous Light Hearted Trolls who communicated using savage humor, cultural references and memes in ways that confused and/or triggered surface dwelling, Screen World trusting normies.
❤ PDJT and Elon.
On the other hand, I am NOT a fan, of people who are emotionally manipulatives who prey on peoples naivete to inflame poisonous feelings so their trusting followers believe being part of a vicious lynch mob hate mob is the virtuous, patriotic, MAGA thing to do.
People like the person PDJT fired and referred to on his personal Twitter account as “Sloppy Steve”.
Bottom line, especially during these vicious PsyWar battles, perhaps the most Light Hearted reaction to outrage and hate bait temptations is to pray rather than PREY
It’s not that hard to understand, “I’m not going to give up this thing that benefits me, and I will die on this hill to gaslight everyone else that my narrow benefit, benefits everyone else!”
Noticing
Quotation marks used.
No source link provided so the quoted could be vetted.
No /s “quote” ending to indicate the “quote” wasn’t actually a joke.
These choices create reader confusion.
Intentionally, or unintentionally for unknowable reasons.
I think Sundance’s theory was that all these MAGA tech oligarchs were out of touch, had a sense of entitlement.
Wrong.
Imo, I don’t think they are/were out of touch. I think there are times when talent should be grabbed from any part of the world it can be found. As long as the H1 system is not abused, and there exist no financial incentives to abuse it, it’s all good.
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Then there’s the self proclaimed leader of MAGA who claims the right speak for all MAGA voters; the person PDJT fired and referred to as “Sloppy Steve.
Both he and his still trusting followers are definitely in my prayers. Again.
As are their current targets.
He’s also the man who went to jail instead of breaching executive confidentiality. He unselfishly put the President first, executive branch second and the country before his own immediate needs.
You tell a very one-sided story which glaringly is obvious and one doesn’t have to be a WarRoom viewer to discern it.
God‘s word says to pray for our enemies, and this is exactly what Bannon says on the war room when clips are posted. So his faith is evident, so you have that in common with him.
He has found his niche. It just wasn’t in the White House, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have value and purpose. As a Christian, you should know that.
Nice! 🤠
… And so it will come to pass, as many refused to believe.
First Details Surface – Fox News Owner Rupert Murdoch Paid Ron DeSantis at Least $1.25 Million For Election Effort Book Deal
I remember
What does that picture prove?
A picture by itself doesnt prove anything
Exactly my point.
which is why I added some context to go along with the pictures. The Musk, Murdoch, Desantis connection is one of several examples that demonstrate their non pretending position towards MAGA.
All you added was a picture with no context.
Context provided:
From two + years ago.
Two one word answers
in response to two questions he was asked on his personal Twitter account.
Like many people, he continued over the next 2+ years, to wake up and savvy up until he ultimately put everything on the line to endorse President Trump then spend his money and his time to help President Trump win.
Since ALL humans are imperfect or as Christ said, according to the NT, “only God is truly good”….
hopefully more people will be Light Heartedly praying for him rather than preying on him from now on.
And also praying for all imperfects. Including themselves.
There is an old saying about ace ping information at face value.
Needs to lose 5 stone.
😂
“Need to lose 5 stone”
Slyly worded timely advice..
Hopefully,self described MAGA patriots, who are currently acting like the piety policing Pharisees who ultimately had Christ tortured to death for His unrepentant blasphemy, will heed this advice.
And repent.
And become less like Saul and more like Paul.
So someone got a talking to
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/elon-musk-calls-major-reform-broken-h-1b/
Daddy Trump called him down? Good! ;8->
Big Daddy.
He had to meet with the Commander in Chief.
“He had to meet with the Commander in Chief”.
On the other hand, isn’t I-Know-Better “Sloppy Steve B” still claiming that title and authority?
If so, hopefully hell decide to embrace this 2nd American Revolutions General George, PDJT, and the Chain of Command discipline needed to win this War, rather than continuing to be a General A Benedict 2.0
Did he apologize for and remove his tweet declaring war on us ‘racists’ or telling us what we can do to our faces?
Anything short of that is worthless bee ess.
Don’t worry about it, I’m sure President Trump worked it all out. Media Promotion and PR are his specialty.
Mr. Trump has to fix Elon’s mistake, but it’s still a mistake. It’s not going to be a perfect fix.
“Mr Trump”
“Mr”????
A very odd title to choose. for President Trump.
Perhaps ” a mistake”.
Or perhaps intentional.
Either way, a self revealing choice that helps explain the rest of the words that came after President Trump was referred to as “Mr Trump”/
Agreed.
However, the Elon Musks of the world never apologize or make amends. To an evil bastard, an apology is a weakness.
There’s a lot more involved here than just an apology. Trust President Trump, I’m sure he’s the one working THIS ALL OUT!
no, Nicole Shanahan did. Musk just regurgitated word for word what Nicole said was the solution. A good face save for Musk or this ruckus was pre-planned to get attention to the H1b.
In the business/corporate world, it is the same. Was once told saying thank you at the bottom of an email was considered weakness.
Some react to Screen World news about someone’s supposedly “evil” imperfections by preying on them.
Preying often involves pretending to be able to read the preys mind.
Others try to react by praying for the psywars prey du jour.
Words possibly worth pondering right now….
“Only God is truly good”.
” There but for the grace of God go you or I”
“Love one another as I have loved you”
Don’t talk to me dipshit.
“Did he apologize for and remove his tweet …”
If he did, that would indicate a desire to limit the damage. It would not necessarily indicate a change in his perspective.
So whether or not he “apologizes” and “removes” is irrelevant to me.
We have seen his thinking. In his own words.
When people show you who they are, believe them.
I agree that he has shown us who he is and you’re right that an apology won’t change his stance.
My point was that unless he admits that he went too far, he can spare us any further insults. Let him tell it to Sweeny.
Elon is undoubtedly correct in assessing the need for a certain number of H1 in his businesses.
I don’t see he had anything to apologize for
Instead, I see that y’all leapt to the conclusions about his statements that you wanted to!
Get back to me when you can do what Elon Musk can do, business and science-wise.
Are you really, really sure that Elon Musk (who owns 20+ companies) knows more about Tech, Science and Business that Steve Bannon and Laura Loomis?
Perhaps you are correct, but it sure isn’t popular around some places.
I just as soon let it stand so we never forget. Also, because he believes it to be true. This way we can all stop pretending.
Frankly, it’s too late for apologies. That would be like Zegler’s “apology” for attacking Trump voters, if you keep up on Disney’s dumpster fire of a “star”…
He won’t apologize
He believes it
He and vik
As .y dad used to say, “You can’t take back a finger,…once flipped, it stays flipped.”
Musk should perhaps learn not to take such a rigid position, or tweet from a place of strong emotion?
But who tells the Worlds richest man “your just WRONG on this.”
The Commander in Chief, perhaps?
“But who tells the Worlds richest man “your just WRONG on this.””
We the people who, via our taxes, subsidize his companies that don’t hire Americans!
That’s who!
Why does it matter he’s the world’s riches man?
He is not GOD, therefore anyone, anywhere, can tell him what’s what.
Sheesh..
Why should he apologize because you’re offended at his opinion?
Some people are NOT allowed to have an Opinion – surely you knew that.
Some people don’t want Musk & Vivek to do the DOGE investigations.
Leftist feel that way – maybe we have some crossover infection or something.
I shouldn’t dignify your hostile question with a reply, but…..
Because his“opinion” (practice) has hurt many an American worker, some of whom I know personally.
It has literally ruined lives and has been devastating overall to the American workforce and morale!
Unless this practice of his, for which he is willing to go to war over, – unless it is revised or reversed completely, the devastation will continue and only get worse!
THAT’S why!
“Did he apologize?”
For doing what people imagine he did, perhaps because people they trust mislead them, rather than what he actually did?
Hopefully not.
As President Trump has spent 9+ years trying to teach everyone, apologizing, especially to the psyop mislead and deranged, is not only futile, its sui-genocidally stupid.
Hopefully any currently psyop deranged human beings who got hate baited into joining any online lynch mobs and who were duped into believing that joining these lynch mobs is the patriotic thing to do, will quickly recover their humanity and become, once again, Light Hearted, MAGA, President Trump supporters.
F….. Elon and Vivek. They laugh at MAGA while calling us racist hillbillys. Really. They can piss off. I’m tired of their kind. They have outed themselves as Liberals. Just because they got spanked doesn’t mean I have to approve of them.
I’m not directing my “bad” energy toward you, Mrs. Gonzales, but… Does he think that means we’ll forget this? He’s not one of us and he is here _illegally_! Seriously. He lied about his immigration status when he applied for citizenship (he never had an H1B, but said he did) and also lied about it when he applied for _security clearance_. I don’t care if Trump is holding him on a short leash, that mad dog needs to be “put down” (so to speak; I would NEVER condone murder, even for the likes of Musk!) and put OUT OF OUR country!
Elon Musk wasn’t against reform from the beginning.
He was against completely doing away with it.
There is a big difference in that.
President Trump is also against doing away with it.
He employs low skilled workers with those visas and wants it just as much as the two you folks have been demonizing.
H1B vs H2B, two different things..
Same thing in principle if you’re honest enough to admit it.
Incorrect: PJDT employs temporary workers via a different work visa. Read Sundance’s article.
It’s the same thing in principle.
Both foreign workers, both getting paid less than Americans.
yes, most in this message board are having a great time witch-hunting.
You can see why that was so popular in America in Salem back in the day.
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“Do not remove a border of ancient times that your fathers have made.”— Proverbs 22:28
Judging by Elon’s latest, it looks like PDT has stepped in and ordered a truce.
“Elon Musk to the Principal’s office. Elon Musk to the Principal’s office.”
Equal treatment is coming. And Justice.
Sincerely,
The People
James 2
Yes, Mighty Father!
Rest in the Vine: Elon-Gate Elongated
Says you.
Fools will be fools. Blinded by money, ambition and power. They do not realize what they’re up against. They also do not understand what we want. We’re not trading one bunch of a-holes for another. We’re getting rid of the a-holes all together and there’s no room for them where we’re going. We either build an American society that uplifts all within the framework of freedom or we cease to exist as America. Beware of angry MAGA Elon and team.
I think that the tech industry should be allowed to bring in an unlimited number of H1bs. We certainly don’t want one of our most important industries to not thrive and grow due to labor shortages and we most definitely do not want them to be denied access to the world’s best minds and talent (actually this is a different visa category). But, if there are really labor shortages then economics 101 informs us that employers should expect to pay more for the last marginal unit of labor. And, they certainly should expect to pay more for the world’s best minds. We need a structure that ensures that it is ALWAYS more expensive to hire a foreign worker than an American. I think it should be an employment tax (Call it a tariff on imported labor since Trump likes tariffs) and that the revenue should be directed towards propping up Social Security and Medicare. American workers first, Foreign workers second if they are really needed. We would soon find out if this argument was about labor shortages or if it was just about undercutting Americans with cheap imported labor.
I don’t know about “unlimited,” but I agree with the rest.
No not unlimited AND all other incentives ie Obamacare, children tax credits SNAP, in-state tuition and all the rest a hard No for this class. And any chance of a green card or citizenship.
It would still hurt the American worker.
The Companies would just pass on the increase to the consumer.
Plus they would more than likely find a way to deduct the cost of foreign workers from their taxes.
So, American IT workers would lose.
What is the value, the savings to the employer, of KNOWING, with absolute certainty that an employee is NEVER going to initiate a claim against them, under the harrasment statute, commonly mis-identified as “sexual” harrassment?
Such lawsuits can run inti the million, and of coarse involve discovery etc.
So much so that many employers will try to settle, to avoid the hassle.
Likewise, these H1B employees are not going to be complaining to OSHA, and are far less likely to cause any kind of trouble for their employers, no complaints of discrimination, unfair working conditions, etc. than a native American worker.
How do you put a dollar figure on that?
If they are going to reform the system, they have to somehow remove the indentured servant nature of the relationship between the visa holder and the employer.
Its not JUST about lower wages,..its getting far mor compliant employees, who will never, for instance Unionise.
That’s an excellent point. We are dealing with this right now in my workplace. We can’t fill staff positions partly b/c we can’t get valid references b/c no one can give a truthful bad reference. That, in turn, leads to people being willing and able to lie on their resumes with impunity. We had one person who, upon being confronted with the fraudulent resume, literally say, “oh well, I tried.”
Also, the dei hires take positions knowing they can NEVER EVER be fired w/o opening the company up to a lawsuit and they leverage that into doing pretty much what they want. We have one such hire who never comes to the office, in spite of our very lenient (read, ridiculous) post-covid WFH policy. I’m seeing things be ignored that would have gotten you fired on the spot even 5 years ago. It’s ridiculous.
The real solution is that white American IT workers need to up their game, not try to cut out foreign competition.
Obviously, hiring foreign workers should be a more expensive, not less expensive, than hiring Americans.
IMO.
Wut?? This is NOT about labor shortages. This is about suppression of (white) American workers, or as I like to call it, racist discrimination. A friend has a son in Georgia Tech for an engineering degree. The college is full of free ride Indians from overseas. He says they are arrogant and not nearly as bright as has been promoted to the public. I would not be surprised if GA Tech has an agreement with big tech companies to provide placement for these future workers.
Someone else I knew back in 2004 worked for a company that hired many young Indian engineering types straight out of college. The boss treated them like dirt. They were asked why they put up with it. They said that they will take the lower paying jobs, bunk up together to save money and send most of their salaries home. Then, most of them will go back to India and live well on the banked up money. Some will apply for a green card/permanent citizenship and move higher in the corporate world at another job. This kind of thing has been going on for 20+ years that I personally know of.
Supply and Demand dictates there are really no “labor shortages.” The problem is the logical conclusion of no barriers to labor across countries: wages equalize. Therefore, in the extreme case, by definition, YES, US wages drop and in this case, Indian wages rise.
This affects all Americans, not just Whites. Making it a racial issue only distracts us. If the tech bros were hiring tons of Hispanic and Black guys and no Whites, I might agree but that definitely isn’t happening either.
I had the Chief Technology Officer for a fortune 50 company I worked at tell me to my face that outsourcing to China was done because he could hire 3 PHDs for the same amount of money as I was being paid. He went further by saying I had to be right and productive 100% of the time, while only one of the workers who was my competition in China had to be productive to match my output. However, what he failed to consider was the fact that the other two chinese workers were stealing all our IP and selling on the black market. In addition, as soon as these workers got all the knowledge they could steal they went across the street to another american sucker company for a $0.50 / hour raise to repeat the process. This was such an issue that our genius leaders were responsible for losing several multi-billion dollar businesses to the Chinese state who built duplicate plants and flooded the global market with product at a cost below the manufacturing cost.
Why is this relevant, because this mindset also pursued the H1B scam in the U.S. where all you had to do in core R&D was wait until after all the managers went home at 5 pm and then all the H1B hires planted themselves in front of a copier for the next 3 hours copying all the documents they could get their hands on, so network restrictions was no barrier at all. These H1B hires were so brazen that their official company business card had the company information on one side of the card and their side business information on the other side.
This was happening even while the FBI had come to the company leadership with information that the Chinese government had compiled a list of IP technology to acquire from the company through espionage. For those of us further down the food chain, it seemed leadership was extremely naive at best.
I finally opened my eyes to the only conclusion that was left. This was being done intentionally and it really did not matter how hard I worked and how significant my contributions were to the bottom line, business personnel decisions were not being made based on merit or contribution. I finally saw the windmill I was fighting in front of me and the one obstacle I was unwilling to remove: “ETHICS”
Why is India the go to source for H1B talent: Read the inside view from an actual indian immigrant (hint: no ethical inhibitions) https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/
Combined with “Civil Rights” law, H1Bs are DEI. It’s about numbers, and immigration, like government spending, is out of control.
They are allowed to go way beyond the limit: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1873174358535110953
These statistics include other types of applications and also include renewals. Once an H1b visa is granted, the person stays in the country unless the application is not renewed. So these numbers include all renewals of previously granted applications and all new applications. The caps still apply. This poster, as he acknowledges, is just a guy who takes data and puts it in graphs and charts. He’s not being super careful or specific about exactly what the data shows. A lot of his posts have community notes pending to clarify what these numbers actually mean.
I’m not saying there isn’t abuse. I know there is and that it’s likely out of hand since the gov’t is involved. However, these numbers don’t mean what people are thinking they mean — which is that the number of H1b visas granted each year far exceed the cap.
“We certainly don’t want one of our most important industries to not thrive”
You mean the industry that is the backbone of the surveillance state? Assassin of the 4th amendment, that important industry?
I don’t need or want smart appliances or cars. The important tech forces me to pay extra to be spied on and renders the devices unrepairable. We don’t need armies of foreign born given the keys to operate our digital gulag. If the business plan demands a steady stream of feudal serfs, it’s a bad plan.
You are clueless as to the country you live in and what has happened to your fellow Americans that do have the talent. But you will soon find out. The damage has already been done.
Elon proposed exactly that, and it makes sense to me. The abuse was hiring mediocre foreign tech workers because they could pay them less.
The large Companies seem to always get around some tax, when we cannot.
It should be unlimited, not doled out by government, but for sure it should be more costly.
You know why this the H1 issue getting a white hot response from MAGA?
We have personally had our jobs lost to foreigners.
We have seen it happen to family members.
We have seen our children get ZERO job offers after graduation as corporations of ALL TYPES have used H1 to hire instead.
Think ‘Potterville’ in It’s a Wonderful Life. This issue will not go away with a few reassuring words.
Remember we voted with immigration being the #1 issue.
^^^THIS!!!
Decades ago, construction crews were mostly Americans but now you can’t find a construction crew that speaks English let alone any Americans.
Look at the corporations running medical depts, food processing plants and who they hire like the Haitians in Springfield, Ohio.
Americans should be in ALL those jobs.
Americans don’t want to work those jobs, not in the numbers needed anyway. I’ve seen it up close.
FYI
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2019/08/12/ms-ice-raids-koch-foods-job-fair-forest-who-how-many-applied/1976033001/
The people who spoke to the media were Americans happy to apply for jobs that paid 12 per hour. Let that sink in. It kills the all the narratives IMHO
$12. per hour… As would I, were I not so far removed from the job market… at 89
Claims of any labor or resource shortages should be appended with “at this price”. Supply and demand is dynamic.
Frames things in a whole other perspective.
Go spend a month in Texas. The Mexicans own every job category except jobs that require degrees.
Go to a bank, a post office, a hair salon. Go to the mall in Waco or Mesquite or even Galleria in Dallas. They have all the jobs.
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY THE “AMERICANS” ARE NOT ON THE CONSTRUCTION SITES?
THE MEXICAN FOREMEN PROACTIVELY AVOID HIRING WHITES.
IT HAS ZERO TO DO WITH WORK ETHIC.
THE MEXICANS ONLY WORK HARD WHEN PUSHED BY AN AGGRESSIVE MEXICAN FOREMAN.
That’s the way all jobs were before the great depression and labor laws came into existence including overtime pay and worker’s comp insurance.
Read the book “The Jungle” by Upton Sinclair.
Do you want America to go back to subsistence wages working daylight to dark 6 days a week and 5 men willing to replace every worker for lower wages?
It’s already getting that way in Atlanta and Miami according to a Mexican superintendent I know.
$18 an hour and 10 men show up for every job.
A new truck $ 60k, rent an apt $ 2k, house payment over $2k per month with $ 50 k down and $300plus a month home insurance.
And the second & third generation Mexicans are the laziest workers own the planet.
Ah, yes… “A new truck $ 60k, rent an apt $ 2k, house payment over $2k per month with $ 50 k down and $300plus a month home insurance.”
ALL of those things you list are NOT necessities, but possibly “desires”… what ever happened to ‘sharing upper rooms’ in a homeowners’ building, saving a portion of income towards a “future” possible home, and foregoing the cigs, beer, and non-necessities that so many immigrants did “back in the day”… (as my wife and I did). “A new truck” is hardly a ‘need’. Baby steps, not ‘immediate gratification’…
“Americans don’t want to work those jobs…”
That was John McCain’s favorite refrain when someone wanted to limit Ag workers from Mexico.
Nobody ever asked him why Ag doesn’t pay them more.
His obvious reason was lettuce prices would rise.
But, would they? What about holding lettuce prices the same and cutting the profit margin of big Ag?
Oh no! Can’t do that. Where would McCain get his election “contributions” from?
What a scammer that guy was.
That is a great point and also applies to tariffs and other things the GOPe says will raise prices. If these businesses could just raise prices anytime costs increase, why wouldn’t they do so before costs go up and earn a higher profit margin? Price Theory economics says businesses are already charging a profit maximizing price for their products. If costs increase, it’s not a certainty that prices will go up by the same amount or at all. They may just have to accept a lower margin.
And relevant here is that big tech has very healthy profit margins. Getting rid of H1B visas would affect those margins somewhat but not by enough that anyone not running a tech company should care.
Bullcrap. It’s an old lie you need to stop telling.
The old Democrat lie comes out. People will work a job and enjoy it as long as they are fairly compensated.
It was in 2008 that I dashed over to the nearby Lowe’s (La Quinta, California) to buy a hammer that my boss needed – looking around for someone to direct me to the hammers, there was a fellow walking along who was wearing a Lowe’s uniform (blue shirt) and I stepped forward to ask him where are the hammers – he did not speak English, apologized in Spanish that he did not know what I needed – I made a gesture like someone pounding a hammer and then he told me the aisle number – I thought that was pretty awful at the time that Lowe’s was hiring people that did not speak English!
So true and the same happened to me at walmarts the other day the girl stocking the shelves said no English when I couldn’t find the salt.
Usually, salt is in the condiments section…lol
😎
No, salt is with the spices…
Look at tape meaures, they have changed over the years, with the fractions being called out, instead of just a mark, and metric on one side, “American” on the other.
Your first statement seems a bit too ‘general’ to me. The few construction people I know are not inundated with non-Americans. Mind you, these are small construction firms.
Yes, several decades ago, it was all our manufacturing people that lost their jobs to ‘competition’ from China etc. Now, it has been tech folks getting F***ked. When will our POLS end this?
Not sure when. Is this needed?
H1B immigration job reviewing H1B
https://x.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1872766676162289752/photo/1
Exactly! And it’s not just tech jobs.
From my experience dealing with customer service/support, I’ve come to the sad realization that American workers are a tiny minority!
My edit…
We voted TWICE with immigration being the #1 issue, ….
and, we have long memories.
EXACTLY, I have seen all this up close and personal too.
Well, this is interesting.
Elon Musk Calls for Major Reform of Broken H-1B Visa Program — Proposes to Make it More Expensive to Hire Overseas Than Domestically
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/elon-musk-calls-major-reform-broken-h-1b/
I hold to the idea that H1 is another government program that should be on the list that DOGE needs to eliminate.
I agree.
As PDJT always says – let’s see what happens!
Someone got F’d in the face and it wasn’t us.
The boomeranger got boomeranged.
Musk got schlonged
Musk got Cheneyed!
Thanks, I like that.
He’s not even walking it back, he’s just pretending his position is actually something different than what he freaked out about for 2 days. He’s lying.
The important thing shown by sundance in this article is that President Donald J. Trump #47 was not lying!
Yep. We all should follow Bongino’s rule of 24 hours or so… even Musk.
Don’t worry about it, I’m sure President Trump worked it all out. Media Promotion and PR are his specialty.
I am beginning to wonder whether he might have purposefully confused H1 and H2 to cause the storm to spread further.
It got H1-B corruption out into the open and showed Elon/Vivek what MAGA supports.
After all – it’s the result we see, right?
That’s what liars and frauds do. And Elon is consistent in that.
He’s also busy on X threatening to ban Sundance. Free speech savior that he is..
Really? Got a link? I’d like to see that post…
Sundance is referencing it today, Steph.
See one of his last posts here on his feed.
https://xcancel.com/TheLastRefuge2
Everything shows as x cancelled .
I use it all the time to read Sundance’s twitter / X feed.
Maybe try another browser?
Great info – I don’t do Twitter or any Social Media, so I normally can’t read threads unless they have been unwrapped.
Funny, I was able to read the thrrad, or whatever its called.
Thanks – just read the posts from today there.
Looks like sundance was blocked by David Sacks. Figures!
But didn’t see a statement that his entire X account was blocked. Does the fact that his posts show on this cancel web site mean that it was?
I’m not on X so thanks for the extra information!
It’s not “blocked” – that’s why you didn’t find it.
Even the Blue Check Verification (which is a monetized thing) is not suspended or anything like that.
White House Advisor Blocked Sundance from re-tweeted his tweets.
A bit embarrassing, but not a X ban or block – just a personal block for some reason.
Subtle like a brick through the window, Musk is.
https://nitter.poast.org/TheLastRefuge2/status/1873425027036819655#m
I didn’t read any “threat” – Blue Check verification is in place, with plenty of posts.
I did see that David Sacks has BLOCKED Sundance retweets and that Elon explained what that meant. Interesting
For those who don’t know who David Sacks is – Bloomberg has an article about his Trump Appointment on the Presidential Council of Advisors on Science and Technology as well as his A.I. “Czar”.
https://archive.ph/20241206025658/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-06/trump-names-david-sacks-as-white-house-ai-and-crypto-czar
The threat is there even if you pretend it isn’t.
https://nitter.poast.org/elonmusk/status/1872464643266089067#m
Nice deflection over to Bloomburg however.
Always about the money, isn’t it from the pages of the rich? Be more impressed with a sorry for saying you can do that to your face and we need to cut back drastically H1B usage.
To reiterate (do I sound like a broken record?)
Even if we institute the reforms Musk now says he supports, any employer would STILL rather hire an H1b, than an American citisen.
Because they are effectively indentured SLAVES, bound to that employer.
At a certain point, I learn how to get a raise.
Go to my employers competitor, apply for a job, ..
They would of coarse offer me more $, to work for them.
Then, go back to my employer, and offer to stay if they will match the offer.
An H1b employee CAN NOT do that, they are BOUND to their employer, and if they leave their employ, must leave the country.
Even more than loss of medical insurance before they had to pay for pre-existing conditions, the employer has a tremendous advantage over these employees.
And, unless you eliminate that advantage, which is REALLY what Musk etc. are fighting for, you are not addressing the problem.
Bottom lind is, if you were the employer, looking at it from the employers point of view, you would rather have an illegal alien, or H1b, than an American citisen worker.
More compliant, less complaining, etc.
And if employers don’t want to hire Americans, they shouldn’t be doing business here.
These programs should be abolished for unskilled jobs until all citizens are employed and welfare and unemployment are no longer needed.
Michael, we assume that all this is organic and just happenstance that India produces so many engineers.
IT’S NOT!
John Taylor Gatto wrote a book, “Weapons of Mass Instruction:…”. He spent a chapter covering the program instituted in India a few decades back.
The Indian government set up these STEM schools for Indian students. It’s very competitive but if approved the kid gets a free ride through school and college including board.
It’s what we do for top football players.
Gatto also told the story of Germany setting up a top notch education system in the early 1800’s. By the late 1800’s to early 1900’s Germans led the world in most fields.
Color TV ten years before America, Invented the car, (Mercedes), invented the diesel engine (Rudolf Diesel).
I don’t know if America is being intentionally sabotaged but Germany and India intentionally created programs to enhance their citizens. It didn’t happen by accident.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3429724-weapons-of-mass-instruction
Thanks for info. I was speaking more to unskilled. Living for awhile in California mountains, I saw it at ski resorts and of course, agriculture. Both provide housing. What’s wrong with sending inner city welfare dependent to do these jobs?
China has similar programs, seeking out their best and brightest in various fields, and putting them in challenging classes.
Meanwhile, America gives scholarships to athletes, a few to chess club champions, and reviews what was taught the previous year, boring the piss out of the intelligent students, who NEED to be challenged.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a conservative from another country that *truly* embodies the MAGA Republican mindset
Don’t get me wrong, there are some very good ones that I’m glad are on our team
But you usually start to see the cracks emerge when it comes to guns, immigration, and the incorrigible American spirit
Being an unmovable as*shole is part of who we are and it’s why our imperfect country is still the freest in the world
Belligerent defiance of tyranny is the best way to stay free and it may be uncomfortable to watch at times, but it’s necessary
When you grow up in a country that drills into your head how this country was founded upon firepower, sacrifice, liberty, and God, it molds you
We love many of our foreign conservatives fighting for MAGA, but don’t try to inject your pacifism into this brawl
Sometimes you just gotta sit back and let us do our thing
https://truthsocial.com/@DC_Draino/113736695026987414
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Yep.
I just commented on previous page how neither Elon nor Vivek had ancestors who fought in a civil war largely due to slavery.
What skin in the game do they have as far as allowing slavery to take a stronger hold in this country?
Dang I forgot to include DC_Draino on my tags on Truth Social.
He’s one of the good guys.
Updated: Just tried to point him to this sundance article as well, hope it worked.
Yep, defiance is in Americans DNA just like our can do spirit.
Elon and Vivek are surprised by the slugfest that followed their putdown of Americans?
LOL
They think that quiet, tolerant, polite Americans are not seeing, understanding, and ready to squash them.
They have mistaken civility for weakness.
Oh, well.
Their mistake.
That is a very apt description, Sharon.
Interesting in the case of Musk is that the “F-You Money” dynamic associated with Musk and his “independence” is now observably breaking with the MAGA ‘Saxony’.
“Politics makes for strange bedfellows” but the love of money exposes the truly high-priced bedfellows and can undo coalitions. “Resistance” actors will, of course, distort and amplify these stressors, if not inventing them outright.
If governance is, in part, the management of interlocking and frequently-opposed interests, VSGPDJT appears to be governing. Hallelujah!
Musk’s “F you” outburst reminded me that he comes from a home where the father was abusive and his mother had to leave – Musk’s outburst makes me wonder if the abusive trait is latent within him and it erupts in moments of extreme anxiety.
Something to keep an eye on as more sunlight begins to shine on those Silicon Valley fellows, all of them, since neither he nor Ramaswamy have apologized or walked their words back and Sacks is quietly deleting old tweets.
It’s the autism not an abusive home environment.
Great thought, Bessie. It’s a possibility. Trauma tends to reproduce across generations. Despite centuries’ worth of propaganda wealth does not indicate wholeness.
I’m not American, but I agree with that statement. Although I think DC Draino forgot about Sebastian Gorka 😉 I know a few other naturalized US citizens from different countries, as well as people not living nor originating in the USA, that truly embody the MAGA spirit. But yeah, they are rare indeed.
Gorka isn’t America First. He’s Israel and Ukraine First.
Farage may be the exception that makes the rule,…but yes its hard to see how someone raised in a different culture COULD truly grasp that rag tag, can do attitude that Sundance so eloquently describes in his write up on the chilean miners trapped, the kuwait oil field fires, etc.
Don’t worry about the UniParty, this is a very healthy debate.
I mostly concur. Vivek stated his opinion and many don’t like it. I believe everyone is allowed to debate that opinion and maybe change his mind. He had some show on FOX where he had dinner with a group and discussed an issue. Let’s see Vivek do a debate about this issue.
Unfortunately some people don’t debate this but merely criticize or demean foreigners and those who advocate H1-b. If anyone has a well reasoned argument, for or against, I welcome it.
As an example of extremes on this issue, imagine a foreign company with thousands of workers builds a major factory in America. Would anyone expect they can only hire Americans and can’t bring any of their own employees? What would you think of some company in New York hiring cheap labor from down south rural areas versus expensive local labor? How about hiring only college grads from cheaper colleges because they work for less?
There is a solution and it will work it’s way out under Trump. Under the leftist establishment we would be told how it is and that’s that.
This is not what is going on at all.
Would one be able to get a word in edgewise in a ‘debate’ with Vivek? Asking for a friend.
Just posted this article on TruthSocial and tagged Raheem Kassan, Jack Posobeic, Revolver News (Darren Beattie), and the warroom. And of course PDJT.
Raheem may actually see it because it was number 8 in responses to a post of his.
President Trump’s Executive Order of April 18, 2017 titled Buy American / Hire American was issued to protect American’s against foreign employees.
https://www.uscis.gov/archive/buy-american-and-hire-american-putting-american-workers-first
Elon Musk Calls for Major Reform of Broken H-1B Visa Program — Proposes to Make it More Expensive to Hire Overseas Than Domestically | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft
Good summary article about the last few days. Things starting to settle already. MAGA cat herding may even become unnecessary in the next few days. 😀
It will also be easier to pick out the trolls who pretend PDJT has bad intentions and is somehow betraying us.
Whoa Nellie!!! Don’t pretend for a minute that outrage and doubt expressed by people like me and others in this forum didn’t play a role in making Elon swallow his tongue.
The Let’s work with him crowd was far more to his liking than the massive GFY messages from people like me.
Oh, I didn’t say that.
I think the kerfuffle has been excellent in pouring sunlight on all the various visas and the corruption level and differences between them. The more heated and detailed, against HB-1 in particular, the better. Expose it all! Elon and Vivek definitely went off half-cocked.
I was only talking about the many posts beating up directly on PDJT, reflexively, without waiting for facts to emerge. Sundance really came through with the salient fact in this article.
I agree. Sundance usually does do that. I don’t have the actual ‘stats’ to show “always”, rather than “usually”. lol
BINGO
In the next Superman movie, I nominate Donald Trump to play Superman and Elon Musk to play Lex Luther.
Just thinking a few articles ago re this subject that it probably is a good thing both Musk and Ramaswamy were to be temporarily hired only until June 2025.
Catturd is absolutely right about our American workers.
https://gab.com/Frankperrewar/posts/113732094455600434
Catturd, as usual, goes to the heart of it and while there he gets it right: time to stop caring so much about “tech” and the foreigners who write code and start caring more about real workers producing real things … roads, plumbing, construction, cars, trucking, shipping (etc).
Put tariffs on H1Bs. Use the proceeds to aid suffering Americans in getting practical skills.
I hold to the belief that H1 should be ended like a lot of gov programs.
Thats when America will be great again, when companies on American soil hire Americans.
I wonder if Musk and Vivek were going to try and use the inside knowledge they might have gained, thru DOGE, to circumvent or strengthen, surreptitiously, these worker visa programs.
Trump uses tariffs to advance American interests. You can shut down trade with China (for instance) or you can tariff it, focused on specific performance. Either way is fine. Which way is better? That is a worthy and satisfying debate.
In a similar way, H1B visas – end them or tariff the fire out of them to change the economic calculation. Either way can advance American interests, assuming the one deciding has America’s best interests at heart (Trump does).
I know that the “tech” thingy is here… but have always preferred to work alonsode tje ‘real workers’.
Walkin’ it back a bit….
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/elon-musk-calls-major-reform-broken-h-1b/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily
Enfant terrible:
a: a child whose inopportune remarks cause embarrassment
b: a person known for shocking remarks or outrageous behavior
Remind you of anyone?
I had a cousin who was like that at about 12 years old. Tiresome.
I voted to stop this insane immigration and kcuf’em if they try to block us.
No compromise
I keep checking Trump’s Truth Social page and nothing about this issue. Just 2 big pictures of him, with no captions.
I am sure behind doors there are meetings and phone calls being made. Elon’s torpedoes at Trump/MAGA goes un-answered! I’m sure Trump’s mouth is opened and wonders where did this betrayal come from.
Trump team I’m sure is going back to check the history of Elon and his views and relationships with others to get a feel for how “stable” Elon is. Trump can NOT have these Traitors in his admin. Who are the people that recommended these people to Trump. Have their background checked too.
Elon and company knew Kamala was not going to win, so they made a plan to infiltrate the MAGA team, and fooled Trump and others.
What now?
True, nothing on his page yet.
But I am doing my best to spread this sundance article there.
Hoping someone will pick up on it.
Also just emailed the article to Jack Posobeic, hope it goes through and he reads it.
IMHO, exactly the right thing to do, which is NOT weigh in, yet.
This is a DEBATE, in the modern public square; and its far from resolved yet, hence let it continue.
PDJT shouldn’t weigh in, just let the debate continue, until a concensus is reached.
So far, I am the only one pointing out the real advantages to employers, of H1b visas, which must be addressed in any reforms, as people keep the focus on “lower wages”.
Musk, in his attempt to walk back, keeps the focus on wages, which is where employers would want the focus kept.
You have made the case of the real advantages for the employers that no one needs to add to it. Well done and quite true! The indentured servant part of the H1b debate is the part the employers do not want people to realize!
History is the engine of the future, true history that is. Following Sundances discernment of issues going forward, this interview starting at minute 19 is most important to support return to American intelligence. Apologies for the commercial –
Then from 1946 & UN imposed education with only three principles: Eugenics, Human-ism ( species over humanity ) and Global Governance ( pure tyranny ) have been the American education.
While carefully skirted, aware or not, literally every University Graduate has the theory of Marx the pedophile inculcated. This has created a lack of the structure to gain our previous intellectual strength.
In 1965, as I entered the military ( draft ) this came into social humanity in the US: 1965 – Ghosts in the Machine: by U.S. Army-psyop-division known as “mindwar”
https://vigilantcitizen.com… the-u-s-armys-psyop-division/
The ultimate goal of MindWar is to make people willingly do what they’re supposed to do, while not realizing they’ve been pushed towards that decision at every step of the way.
“For the mind to believe in its own decisions, it must feel that it made those decisions without coercion. Coercive measures used by the operative, consequently, must not be detectable by ordinary means. There is no need to resort to mind-weakening drugs such as those explored by the CIA; in fact the exposure of a single such method would do unacceptable damage to MindWar’s reputation for truth.”
Authors NOTE: Reputation for truth is directly relative to ( Whose Truth ? )
The Department of Education must be liquidated, and the American History Association noted in the Interview above, must be exposed as the fraud it publishes, and our true history returned.
Be blessed everyone.
I found the Dodd interview extremely interesting & at the same time disturbing. I thank you for this link, and will attempt to pass it on to others.
Thank you Sundance for clarifying this regarding PDJT. It makes sense that what he was talking about was the guest worker program. He’s praised that before.
And highly likely they truncated his quotes, took it out of context, or framed the question so as to set up a misrepresentation.
We have his clear, unequivocal quote from 2016, which WAS specific to H1bs and mentioned American workers training their replacements.
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And, we have 20-30 years worth of video clips, showing PDJT has been consistent in his positions.
So the seasonal workers provision makes sense as a ‘benefit’ to America.
Agricultural is also a classic example of seasonal work.
What has happened is the Cyrony ‘Capitalist’ Cartel has exploited this for full time employment with a green card as the reward for slave wages.
This is what needs to end.
That and DEI.
I’m a +35 year minority Engineer (ie European Male) at a major aerospace company, and I can tell you first hand that not hiring the best is very bad idea.
I could care less about your gender or who your parents are. All that matters is who you are.
You’re not wrong.
But priorities matter too.
For example, chain migration is ahead of HB-2 in my opinion.
Why do you think SD frequently uses this image of Vance fake smiling? some people cant see it.
Two people smiling and clapping. That’s where the similarity ends. One person is fake. The other one isn’t.
IMHO
I suspect that Vice President J.D. Vance DOES “get it”.
President Trump is no fool either — So he probably also “gets it”.
Thinking of staring an X account just to say: Hey Elon, we Fkd YOUR face! “War” huh? Unconditional surrender or get OUT!
I decided elon would NEVER get $3 a month from me and opened an acct on Gab out of sheer orneriness.
If I would have had an x acct I would have cancelled it after what he said about Americans.
No, Treepers are better than that classless member of the billionaire class.
Sundance is going to love this data…….
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1873174358535110953
Agree! I hope his next article covers it.
I posted it hours ago and Sundance has it on his X account.
Important info in that Data, might not be the kinda data appreciated.
EXCELLENT thread posted on CFP on the H1B Visas. It’s short, simple to read with all supporting data, analysis and conclusion.
PTDJ should read this. Seriously.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1873174358535110953
To Bogey and Maine Coon, I just read this. Shocking numbers. Everyone go to the link and read. Just like many federal programs, especially in the immigration area, H1B is way out of control.
Supposed to be limited to 85,000, currently at 10 TIMES that amount.
THAT DIGHT THERE, alone screams there is something wrong.
The worst part? That is only the H1b visas. There are a bunch of other visa programs with shockingly high fraud rates as well.
OH YEAH….A classic. the cat is out of the bag, and once again, were were getting goat%$%^&$. Don’t miss this read…send it around.
…’The truth will make you free….’
Kathyca’s comment from above applies to the 10 times comment.
Yes, system is corrupt but need to understand the data being presented.
……….Kathyca…..
These statistics include other types of applications and also include renewals. Once an H1b visa is granted, the person stays in the country unless the application is not renewed. So these numbers include all renewals of previously granted applications and all new applications. The caps still apply. This poster, as he acknowledges, is just a guy who takes data and puts it in graphs and charts. He’s not being super careful or specific about exactly what the data shows. A lot of his posts have community notes pending to clarify what these numbers actually mean.
I’m not saying there isn’t abuse. I know there is and that it’s likely out of hand since the gov’t is involved. However, these numbers don’t mean what people are thinking they mean — which is that the number of H1b visas granted each year far exceed the cap.
Everything should not only be in the table, but everything the government does, even private businesses use of government programs should be scrutinized. To have a DOGE team that in turn says H1B audits is off limits is ludicrous. Scrutinizing, Checks and Balances, auditing, logic and pragmatic review of everything government does is mandatory. Vivek, Musk and DOGE saying H1B is sacrosanct doesn’t fly.
Yeah I’m thinking the 1st step of an apology from Elon and Vivek would be DOGE to eliminate H1.
Until then, I don’t even hear your voice… The pair of them have lost all credibility and political power.
Is it possible they proposed this whole DOGE idea, SO THAT they could protect the prigrams they like and benefit from, while making a bigbshow of attacking others?
Kinda like the Foxes volonteering to guard the henhouse?
Excuse me — but what part of DOGE do you not “get”.
It has nothing to do with Immigration OR H1b visas.
Elon and Vivek gave a personal Opinion or something they have no Authority over.
That may be the first time in History that a Citizen has ever given a Personal Opinion
JD is not trustworthy. He has been some many different characters in his life I doubt he knows which one is the true one. I would never vote for anyone for president with an Indian family, ever.
You should have written to President Trump and made it clear you could not support him because of J.D. Vance because his wife has an Indian Family.
I’m sure he would have been moved and impressed.
Is there and H3B for “a political entity wrapped in the cover of Hillbilly values, reacts to this H1B visa and immigration debate.”?
Hey uncle Jed, can I talk with ya out at the cement pond for a minute?😂
Trump stepped in it.🦨
There’s a Judas in the MAGAverse
https://pjmedia.com/scott-pinsker/2024/12/28/theres-a-judas-in-the-magaverse-n4935483
Remember, in 2017, Elon Musk quit two of President Trump’s advisory councils to protest his decision to pull the U.S. out of the Paris climate agreement:
“Am departing presidential councils,” Musk tweeted. “Climate change is real. Leaving Paris is not good for America or the world.”
Y’know… if I sold electric cars for a living, splitting from MAGA in an ugly, public dispute over its environmental policy would be a pretty clever way to remind your (left-leaning) EV-buying patrons of your Earth Day bona fides.
Of all the people in the MAGAverse, Elon Musk is most likely to be the Judas.
So enjoy Musk while we’ve got him in the fold, because it’s unlikely he’ll remain in our orbit very long. It’s probably a 50-50 shot he’ll be gone from MAGA by the end of 2025 — and then, if he’s willing to bankroll the Democrats in the 2026 midterms, the liberals will welcome him (and his Teslas) back with open arms.
And they’ll offer him a lot more than 30 pieces of silver.
Back in 2016 I also believed that withdrawing from the Paris Climate accord was bad, although I have supported Donald Trump since 2015. But with time I got more informed and changed my position. I think a great awakening started in 2016, not just in the USA, but globally.
This is from a link at CFP and has H1B data for the last 5 years and it’s not a good picture for an American worker.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1873174358535110953
This jumped out at me, from the above article:
“Contrary to what I expected, the average salary for an H-1B is relatively low—slightly under $120k this year.”
I have never made close to that…ever…
So I go off to Christmas vacation and MAGA is celebrating putting a stop to illegal immigration. I’m out of touch for a few days and all I see right now is that the MAGA coalition is a dumpster fire and wanting to end legal immigration. It sounds like Trump has lost all control of his message. I simply don’t understand.
Keep reading.
“celebrating putting a stop to illegal immigration. ”
Visa fraud is illegal. The whole H1 program is fraud. A back door left unlocked. Willful misrepresentation of a material fact when the Indian owned body shops lie on the application that NO US workers are available.
MAGA is fighting one another and the dems are laughing at us. They wanted a MAGA fracture and they got it. Some MAGA folks hate/despise Elon despite the fact that without him we’d be looking at a Kamala presidency since we still haven’t gotten control of the stolen elections (e.g., AZ, CA)
Don’t forget the “Foreigners, the Indians and so forth”, not to mention Don JR, Ivanka
YEP – the Left is dancing a Happy Dance and appreciates the help from Bannon, Loomis and CTH.
Elon said he wanted a war over h1b visas and to go fk yourself in the face.
Then he got a war over h1b visas.
It was educational. We now know more about the h1 b visas and the fraud that surrounds them. We also know more about the tech holes surrounding Trump and their priorities.
No Problem, you will work it out if you read enough of this Dumpster Fire here.
Vivek, Musk, and Sachs are not the immigration policy makers. That’s Steve Miller who will be handling that to restore the restrictions Trump had during the first term. This controversy will blow over.
And………..Miller’s wife was put on board committee of DOGE.
In the beginning was H1B.
Think Albert Einstein, full time +1%.
Then came H2B, seasonal workers, not 1%, but ok.
Then came the full time combination of both.
All it took was less the 10 million dollars of bribes to cause trillions of dollars of damage.
‘Elected’ Triators are not expensive.
‘Unelected’ ones are even less expensive.
Here’s an article about the recent (like 2 weeks ago) Biden rules “modernizing” h1b. Keep this article in mind when Trump is being castigated for betraying MAGA when he doesn’t do away with h1b on day one b/c Musk/Vivek.
From the article:
Impact of the Rulemaking. The rule holds both strategic and political importance. By enacting the rule, the Biden Administration intends to cement its legacy of reshaping the H-1B program—and, due to administrative rulemaking requirements, create procedural barriers for the Trump Administration if it wants to make changes to the terms of the H-1B rule.
More specifically, a president can easily rescind, modify, or replace executive orders and administrative policies without requiring public input or a lengthy procedural process. However, regulations, such as the H-1B Modernization Rule, are formal rules created by federal agencies that have the force of law and require agencies to go through a formal rulemaking process to make changes.
The rulemaking process typically takes at least a few months and includes drafting a proposed rule; publishing it in the Federal Register for the public to review and provide comments; reviewing the comments; submitting the rule for an assessment by the Office of Management and Budget; and, finally, issuing the final rule.
Alternatively, Congress may take action under the Congressional Review Act (CRA) to overturn the rule by passing a joint resolution of disapproval that is signed by the president.
Both methods are time-sensitive and procedurally complex for the Trump Administration to pursue, with the CRA offering a more expedient but potentially politically challenging route.
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The source is a renowned international law firm that principally practices in banking and finance, government, corporate and securities, etc.
https://www.mayerbrown.com/en/insights/publications/2024/12/h1b-modernization-bidens-final-move-trump-first-challenge
Thank you. It will take a while to undo the damage that the demonic un-American Biden regime has inflicted on Americans and around the world.
If I recall correctly, the SCOTUS recently weighed on whether gummint agency rules actually have the force of law.
They don’t.
Of course the JoeBama regime is trying to pretend that never happened.
Extra Constitutional Agencies writing their own rules.. how bout way fewer extra Constitutional Agencies??
“Free trade” is a failure, and is inextricably linked to free immigration. Honest libertarians will tell you: “you can have free trade, you can have a welfare state, but you can’t have both.”
I have zero trust in Ellen Vivek.
The best data piece I’ve read thus far on H-1B, showing the top 50 companies that use this program, avg salary of an H-1B worker and all other relevant data to EOL this monstrosity: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1873174358535110953
A house divided against itself cannot stand. ~ Jesus
Just remember children, destroying those helping MAGA isn’t helping our cause, it’s hurting it.
This whole thing is most definitely being flamed by deep state antagonists to try and destroy MAGA from inside out.
Sadly, most here are blind to that fact and you should know better.
President Trump hasn’t even taken office yet and you already have the knives 🔪 out for your Christmas wish list.
Come down to earth 🌏.
Yes, we want immigration fixed but trying to destroy Elon Musk or others over this issue is plain foolishness.
This whole issue is extremely minor compared to the other illegal alien invasion problems we have.
Mass deportations is where and what we should be focused on first, then deal with this issue.
I think this aggressive pushback was necessary. Look at the most recent TGP article about Musk and H1B. He’s singing a different tune now. Donald Trump probably talked to Elon Musk and brought him in line.
Could be. So much hair on fire about President Trump’s silence. But sometimes, the best diplomacy takes place behind the scenes. Elon and Vivek created this sh!tstorm, so they needed to clean it up.
Very possible.
Elon Musk never was against reform to begin with.
He was against completely stopping the program as some want.
President Trump is also against ending it. He personally benefits from it.
Their positions are the same and have been the same.
No, same tune, modified lyrics.
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This (H1-b) needs attention BECAUSE in the sweep of illegals in this country, more than a few will likely be those who overstayed their H1-b visas; letting people know that that system contributes to illegally staying in the country can brunt some of the butt-hurt that is sure to come about when Tom Homan gets to work . . .
I disagree, USA. I believe MAGA is in a strategic position by virtue of PT’s win of the popular vote to flex its muscle as a heard-from majority voice.
The cool thing about having influential people like Elon, Vivek, and Rfk Jr turn from the Dems and supporting PT and MAGA is that MAGA philosophy is supposedly what is bringing them in. They have money, influence, and a microphone, and they’ve been using it to help the cause of MAGA and PT. And yes, there will be differences — but the idea has been that PT is ultimately steering the ship toward what makes America great again — and that benefits all Americans, especially the working class. It has been like the opposite of the Uniparty.
But when those allies start acting like the Chamber of Commerce, WEF, or the Squad in trying to grab the rudder and steer us wrong, MAGA voters start feeling like it’s becoming the Uniparty again, especially if PT is being lured by wealthy special interests pretending to be MAGA. We already know how that ends. We saw the Tea Party infiltrated by the Uniparty. We don’t want anymore infiltration, or bait and switch. If you want to ride the MAGA train and help out because you believe in it, ride with us. But if you want to ride it only to control and subvert it, we aren’t playing nice. We don’t need to.
Finally, some wise words spoken!! Thank you.
Elon and Vivek have only begun to feel the wrath of the Saxons after the putdowns of Americans.
I wonder if this will cause an exodus from x in the wake of their condescending attitudes.
Everyone is jumping the gun.
Go to gateway pundit for an update on his way of thinking.
You will be relieved.
Exactly, the knives 🔪 our out without having all the facts.
I can’t say it’s not warranted though, we are sick and fed up with our government allowing our country to be invaded.
They’re jumping the gun because they are using emotions and feelings first.
Exactly and it’s a bit of a shock to find out that some MAGA don’t believe in a Private Citizen even offering an Opinion. It’s a bit of a Shock to find this DEMANDED “group think”.
It’s a bit of a shock to find this “bigotry” toward anyone who is from a Foreign Country or has a Family member who has an Foreign Background or is married into a Family that might be Jewish or Indian.
I trust in the President and hope he is able to navigate this strife.
I finding it incredible “sad” (as the President would say) to see what is happening.
The Federalist: What John Quincy Adams Said About Immigration Will Blow Your Mind–D.C. McAllister:
“In 1819, John Quincy Adams wrote a letter as secretary of State under President James Monroe to a man named von Fiirstenwarther, who had written a report about emigration in Germany and wanted the U.S. government to give him a job if he immigrated to the United States from his native country. The letter gives great insight into attitudes about immigration at a time when it was becoming a serious issue; the nation was in a financial crisis because banks were printing too much money, and the country was expanding at an overwhelming rate. Jobs weren’t as easy to come by as they had been in the past (sound familiar?). The idea of immigrants receiving government subsistence was nonsensical. The borders were open, but it was up to each individual to make his or her own way in the New World. Americans then valued personal responsibility and liberty more highly than security and public welfare.
…Let its wisdom be a lesson for today as we throw open our borders to the poor in an age of government largesse.
Sir—
–John Quincy Adams
ps; tell Elon to get a job.”
I quote from memory.
Rest in the Vine: American Prodigy: John Quincy Adams and the Nature of Citizenship
Oh, you make me laugh.
I read that with so much pride in our country my chest was fairly bursting.
And then the ps made me bust out laughing.
Well played.
I see Musk has attempted to walk bavk his position, now saying he is all for reforming the broken system of H1B visas, by raising wages, and fees so that it is more expensive to hire H1b’s than native Americans.
However, this does NOT address the biggest advantage of H1B’s, which is not just the lower wage, its that they have an indentured servant relationship with their employer.
They can NOT go to work for any other employer. If they leave their employer, fired or quit, they have 24 hrs. to leave the country.
Therefore, they are not going to negotiate for a raise, complain about working conditions, discrimination or harrassment in the workforce, and certainly not sue their employer for such infractions.
As employment harrassment laws hold the employer responsible for a work amptnosphere, and settlements can run into the millions, having to not concern themselves with such things is a considerable benefit to their bottom line.
Good points!
The only time I was even something of an indentured servant was ages ago when I was in the army.
Interesting data on H1B here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1873174358535110953
Private companies look for legal ways to improve their return on investments.
p.s.
The U.S. is about 2-3 decades behind in changing a corrupt / grifters miss education system (getting less smarts with the most $ spent and a circuitous pipeline of taxing people to miss fund teachers… bureacrat$…huge departments …pols… ) in the U.S.
into honestly improving its education system (getting more with less, i.e. more education (improved scores compared to the world), with less $)
p.s. Placing money, control in front of honest virtues….
the political grifters, the increasingly poor U.S. education $ystem, miss lead businesses into seeking foreign people.
So, look to the beginning of the problem($), to come up with an honest fix…
p.s.
some States are allowing parents to use taxpayer funds towards the K-12 school of their choice (public or private).
That in turn, can motivate the lower academic achievement schools to learn to compete to become better schools (not by faking it, or by being an expensive day care center).
The results will take time (decades) to accumulate, but, it has begun in some States (not all…) …
( yet, some resist because they want easy money, low results… not good for the children….nor the current adults which have grown up in a corrupted, miss motivated, educ a shun $ystem…)
People know…
imho
Rent-seekers are going to automatically resent anyone looking to reduce the graft.
The bigger the graft, the more fierce the resistance to do anything about it.
….Presidential Politics, Resistance day 1441… continues
[ plenty of work to do. More hands, make for less work… ]
And yes, there are exceptions,
some K-12 have done great with academic achievement and work ethic.
But, not everyone is an exception – far from it.
imho
People know
I don’t believe any MAGA supporters should be upset with Trump! I believe he is sincerely trying to get this country on the right track.
Now, Trump shouldn’t blame himself either. As Trump has said many times, the level of corruption and deceit in D.C. and with tech companies is higher than Trump was used to operating from New York. 🙂
Elon is the world’s biggest CON artist, a Master at it, and yeah it fooled Trump (maybe not, because Trump’s B.S. meter is pretty good, it is just that the up side to going with Elon’s Game is that it did HELP Trump to get elected).
The next moves are just a chess game, with traps and mis-leading the direction of the next move … planning something that is “new” to WIN THE GAME.
Elon’s move was to break apart MAGA and depress Trump. Elon planned this out for months, and carried out his plan. Trump played along with it. With the pictures of Elon and Trump family and Elon child in same picture (embedded into Family).
Elon was excellent at setting up Trump. The movie “The Sting” comes to mind. Elon and a number of players also near Trump to help “the Sting”.
Trump is SILENT and planning his counter chess move. Trump must take out Elon and Elon’s other Sting partners, and it goes pretty high up. Trump CAN NOT compromise with Elon or other Sting partners. They must be put down FAST! The “facts” must be explained in detail to MAGA , before this Elon cancer goes any further.
Don’t believe anything that Elon says or does now. Elon just stabbed Trump in the back!
“The Sting” is probably my favorite 70’s movie. A masterpiece.
Hey, ain’t this cute – NBC is trying to spread the NY Post poison now.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-h1b-visa-program-maga-elon-musk-rcna185656
One policy decision and the wheels are coming off. Promising start.
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is good policy making. /s
Then spend the next 4 years putting humpty dumpty back together again, and we’ll end up exactly where we are now. Knowing politicians, it will likely be in a worse state.
You are so right and unfortunately some folks are not thinking logically.