When I read the New York Post article proclaiming that President Trump supports the fraudulent system known as H1B visa hiring, I knew something was amiss because we previously looked at Trump’s various business hires and use of the visa process.
Apparently, the NY Post called President Trump to get him to weigh in on the controversial subject that has been triggered by Elon Musk saying he would “go to war on this issue” to maintain the H1B visa system -and subsequent foreign employment for tech skilled workers- his various companies depend upon.
Here’s the topline takeaway from the article that has triggered many:
(NY POST) President-elect Trump told The Post Saturday he supports immigration visas for highly skilled workers, appearing to side with Elon Musk in the roiling intra-MAGA debate on the issue.
“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them,” Trump said by phone, referring to the H-1B program, which permits companies to hire foreign workers in specialty occupations.
“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” added Trump, who restricted access to foreign worker visas in his first administration and has been critical of the program in the past. (more)
However, if you go to the Dept of Labor website, search or download the database of H1B employment, specifically filtering to Trump’s various companies, what you will discover is that Trump Inc doesn’t use the H1B visa system at all. [Check for Yourself Here]
How does this reconcile? Well, having previously looked at the visa use by President Trump in his various companies {SEE HERE}, I can confidently assert (Occam’s Razor) that within the interview President Trump conflated H2B temporary worker visas, which he does use in his service industry, with H1B visas which he does not use.
The H-1B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as workers in specialty occupations of distinguished merit and ability. At least that was the intent of the program before it was abused by companies who saw the opportunity to avoid domestic market wages and find alternative cheap sources of skilled labor in the tech sector. That abusive ‘labor diversion’ process has now expanded to find H1B claims in other sectors. So much so, there are now a myriad of companies requesting H1B status employees for their various interests.
The H2B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as “temporary workers” mostly in the service industry where extreme seasonal fluctuations in business make it challenging to hire from a very limited market base. H2B workers are found in hotels, resorts, restaurants and service companies anywhere you find big seasonal shifts in service businesses, like Trump resorts.
As previously noted, Does the word “Snowbird” ring a bell? Florida has a “tourist season” which runs from (generally speaking) just after Thanksgiving to Easter annually. January, February and March are the peak. The first Monday in February is the absolute peak as almost every time-share and hotel unit flips that week.
The volume of work within the service and hospitality industry doubles during the tourist season, and those businesses who hire within the general labor market struggle to increase their labor in relationship to the increase in business. In addition, local workers looking for employment are reluctant to take temporary or “seasonal” jobs, and prefer longer term -more stable- employment.
Many businesses need to double, or in some cases triple, their workforce in order to meet the business demand. As a consequence, many companies, including Trump owned resorts, have used H-2B visa workers to fill the gap between large fluctuations in business and the needed staffing shortfalls. From my own experience, many of the workers are students from South America (Argentina, Brazil, etc) who take the seasonal jobs Nov/Dec – March/April between their college seasons – and then return home.
Bottom line – President Trump is referencing H2B visas which he does use, and not H1B visas which he does not use. Whether President Trump conflated the issue, or whether the Murdoch owned New York Post intentionally constructed their questioning to create a clickbait controversy, is entirely up to the reader to determine. I think it’s likely a combination.
♦ All of that said, the issue of H1B replacement workers displacing American workers is not going away regardless of how uncomfortable it makes the Silicon Valley crowd. Many highly skilled Americans have been impacted by the issue of H1B replacement, and the inherent fraud within the special interest employment system is a critical issue for a large percentage of the MAGA base.
In fact, for context you might remember the 2017 Trump suspension of visas from Muslim countries. In response to that suspension, the state of Washington filed a lawsuit against President Trump seeking an injunction to continue the visas. The main subject of their opposition was the financial impact to Microsoft and the H1B visa use.
BYRON YORK, 2017 – “Why is Washington State mounting such a vigorous challenge to President Trump’s executive order temporarily suspending non-American entry from seven terrorism-plagued countries? Of course there are several lawsuits against the president, and there are lots of motives among the various litigants. But Washington State’s is the suit that stopped the order, at least temporarily. And a look at the state’s case suggests that, behind high-minded rhetoric about religious liberty and constitutional protections, there is a lot of money at stake.
Judging by the briefs filed by Washington State, as well as statements made by its representatives, some of the state’s top priorities in challenging Trump are: 1) To ensure an uninterrupted supply of relatively low-wage H-1B foreign workers for Microsoft and other state businesses; 2) To ensure a continuing flow of high-tuition-paying foreign student visa holders; and 3) To preserve the flow of tax revenues that results from those and other sources.
[…] Washington State argued that its residents have suffered from the Trump order, or might suffer in the future, because some of the state’s biggest businesses rely on H-1B visas, which are often used to bring foreign workers to U.S. companies at lower wages than their American counterparts.
“The technology industry relies heavily on the H-1B visa program,” the Washington State lawsuit said. “Microsoft, a corporation headquartered in Redmond, Washington, is the state’s top employer of high-tech — or H-1B visa holders and employs nearly 5,000 people through the program. Other Washington-based companies, including Amazon, Expedia, and Starbucks, employ thousands of H-1B visa holders.” (link)
Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks, Elon Musk (with his influencers) and the tribe in/around Silicon Valley, have placed their flag of influence on this H1B hill. They are willing to do whatever it takes to retain this system, much to the angst of the MAGA supporters who have been victimized by it.
When a system has been so thoroughly corrupted as to now create harm, there should not be a great deal of controversy in suspending that system until the market can correct itself. However, losing control of the H1B visa system is viewed by the Silicon Valley tech group as a non-starter position.
♦ It will be interesting to watch how Silicon Valley’s ally, JD Vance – a political entity wrapped in the cover of Hillbilly values, reacts to this H1B visa and immigration debate.
As we watch the arguments inside the H1B debate, it is worth remembering the group who promoted, pushed and ultimately influenced the JD Vance nomination consisted of: Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Ackman, David Sacks, Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg and of course, Vivek Ramaswamy. On the inside of the Trump orbit, the network had Donald Trump Jr also promoting JD Vance.
JD Vance was then invited to be an attendee at the June 6th San Francisco fundraiser for President Trump, hosted by Sacks and Palihapitiya, and that’s likely when the first one-on-one running mate discussion between President Trump and Senator Vance took place.
Usha Chilukuri Vance, the wife of Ohio Senator J.D. Vance, quit her job as a corporate litigator at DNC-affiliated Munger, Tolles & Olson, within minutes of hearing that JD had been selected as President Trump’s Vice-President nominee and running mate. Usha Chilukuri-Vance worked in Washington DC for the firm.
The American workers who Silicon Valley advocate for replacing with foreign workers, are the proverbial “Saxons, with nothing to lose.”
The Big Tech group may not have initiated the background; in fact, the offshoring and replacement cycle was started many years before. However, when you strip a group of Americans of their value, label them, ostracize them, ridicule them, belittle them and then denigrate them for failing to support your abuse, think “rust belt”, you create a group of Americans with nothing left to lose.
Calling people “racist” and “nativist” who voted for President Trump specifically on this issue is not going to work. Musk et al should be very aware that this H1B debate is targeting the “nothing left to lose” American team.
If they think their immigration position is both zero-sum and survivable, think again. There is much for them to lose. The true zero-sum position is already held by a much bigger tribe of American workers who truly do have nothing left to lose.
Silicon Valley ends up fighting an army that will never concede because they have already been stripped of everything they hold dear.
Beware the wrath of the angry Saxon. This immigration topic is Musk, Ramaswamy and Sacks’ first trip into what they call ‘flyover country.’ They are experiencing strong MAGA pushback, something very new and uncomfortable for them, likely for the first time; hence, their emotional reactions.
We understand the UniParty is smiling as they see us debating this issue; however, if Making America Great Again doesn’t benefit working Americans, then what exactly is the point.
Elon Musk Calls for Major Reform of Broken H-1B Visa Program — Proposes to Make it More Expensive to Hire Overseas Than Domestically.*
Y’all should have more faith in Elon Musk. My instincts, reading (and listening) between the lines) tell me that he’s one of the good guys.
This is opposed to how I felt about Barack Obama in late 2007. I knew instantly that he was a faker, begged everyone I knew not to vote for him, which most did anyway! 😡
* https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/elon-musk-calls-major-reform-broken-h-1b/
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Yes because we all know that paying more will hurt the likes of Musk. How about cutting back or making it only in certain circumstances such as not being able to get Americans for six months or more.
How about, if a company applies for h1b employees they also have to make a training program at their local community college for the expertise they are fishing for and promise to to phase out the h1b as they certify American graduates.
Or some other program that shows their immigrant labor is a temp fix, not a long term business plan.
That is a new idea that has merit that I have not seen! Privatize the education and and cut out the Dept of Education and get your moneys worth!
Great idea.
How about they prove to an objective committee, not one that is paid off, that they can’t find American workers at a reasonable price.
I have seen a few people comment that companies are paid subsidies of some kind for foreign workers. If true, eliminate that.
I have also seen comments that the recruiters of foreign workers get paid or the foreign workers are actually employed by an agency and that the agency gets paid attractive fees with less to the workers.
If workers are required to work more than 40 hours, why aren’t they getting overtime?
Lots of questions and hidden webs seem to surround the entire process. Par for the course with anything left to government to choose winners and losers.
Then why not hire Americans first and train them on the job?
Shenas Cleaning Services, Canton Ma. has/had job posted for H1-B.Janitor-30,000 yr….Hat tip -Joe Dan Gorman (intellectual froglegs)
Well, janitors are a very high skilled job that Americans are too culturally deficient to do it correctly.///
And the imported janitors are also willing to pick lettuce.
I had posted the English teacher job listings for 36k a year earlier in the thread
Maybe our colleges should focus on quality technical programs versus social and “woke” training. It is very difficult to remain objective about college programs and the real merits to society. The problem with technical programs is that they generally take knowledge, commitment, and hard work to complete and more work than many students want to exert. Community colleges are doing a better job of fulfilling technical jobs versus some 4 year institutions.
I really like your idea, but unfortunately… it would be abused. So long as corporations and “self made” brats like Elon feel they are entitled to whatever they want, at the prices THEY think they should pay (they would pay nothing, if they thought they could get away with it), there will be nothing but abuses of any fix.
The problem is, I finally now realize, not at all a logical or economic one, but a deeply embedded cultural rot, down to the very marrow. It started when the Baby Boomers reached their prime working years. Both my parents (Gen-X, here) were required to train their replacements — a foreign replacement, in my Dad’s case, a “temp, for now”, in my Mother’s case — only to then be told they were “over-qualified, we can’t keep you, BYE!”. And they couldn’t find any work until they finally reduced their pay requirements to roughly 2/3rd what they used to make. But, again, they became “over qualified, BYE!”, then found new jobs making half the pay they used to make (from the first job).
And as I was growing up, I could see the writing on the wall. I wanted nothing to do with the fields they were in (electronics engineering, for my Dad, and accounting, for my Mom). But I had friends, and I could see the same things happening in their families. Frankly, I was about to commit suicide, seeing no sensible future, no possible way to do half what my parents did, let alone even or better. See…
When there is no future, the psyche naturally sees the present as less. that’s where things like drug abuse actually come from, as well as the aforementioned suicidal ideation. It also happens because people no longer have kids… when there’s less future, the present becomes worth less, as well. So people tend to indulge in the most meaningless and oft-times harmful of things. Why live right, when there’s no future?
And all so some rich people can save a few lousy bucks on what they pay their employees. And now that I think of it, they want these Indians to come here, work 80+ hours/week for half the pay… so they can build their robotic replacements before sending them back into the trash heap, all their money spent here just trying to make ends meet!
I truly pity them, too. They don’t know yet. Well, maybe some of them do and that’s why they turn harder to left-wing Marxism. Raise the commie fist against what Big Capitalism USA is doing to them or has done to them.
I’m, not a Marxist. But I can no longer endorse Capitalism because, while Marxism is the literal Demon of Envy, Capitalism is literally the Demon of Greed. God has shown me how all this happened. We rebelled against the Church, Protested, and thought we were “liberated”, then “Enlightened”. Capitalism rose upon the Church-forbidden practice of interest on debt. But not long after, during the anti-Catholic French Revolution, the seed of Marxism was planted. Pride lead us to Protest, Greed to Capitalism, Envy to Marxism, normalization of divorce to Lust (and sexual revolution to LGBTQP)…
This is all the Devil’s work, and it ends only one way: WRATH!!! upon mankind, for he hates us with unquenchable passion. And that Wrath is, ultimately, Islamism (to be brought to us by woke-ism).
We need to STOP feeding the Demons — all of them! — and come back to the only place of safety against the Wolves: the Catholic Church.
I do really like your idea, though. It should work. But it won’t. I’m sorry.
Really thoughtful, thank you.
Money is a tool, and like any tool it can be used or it can be abused. When it becomes an end in and of itself then it also becomes a false god. Those who only look at what they call ‘the bottom line’ are not looking deeply enough.
In 2020, President Trump wrote EO 13843 to ensure the prioritized employment of US citizens at the TVA versus foreign contractors. Very similar concerns, expertly handled in the Executive Order. Part of the immigration program was designed to bring talented professionals into the nation, but we can see how that was distorted. Maybe our colleges should focus on quality technical programs versus social and “woke” training. It is very difficult to remain objective about college programs and the real merits to society. The problem with technical programs is that they generally take knowledge, commitment, and hard work to complete and more work than many students want to exert.
If, as Musk asserts, H1B is only to hire the top 0.1%, then there should only be several dozen or perhaps 100 H1B visas. There just aren’t many top scientists of Werner VonBraun caliber out there.
and when he called us racist and said F ourselves in the face, he did so with the best intentions.
I’ve rethought my previous negative comment expressing my stopping support of Musk & Ramaswamy.
Elon Musk isn’t the most astute commenter on social media, and Vivek also falls into “nerdism” which often includes insensitivity at the wrong times while trying to address facts.
Musk’s vitriol was likely in reaction to the myriad real racists who infest X every time there’s a hot topic involving Israel (jews), muslims, or other foreigners in some negative light, especially illegal migrants or H-1B visa migrants.
I read X a lot over the past year+ and have spent a lot of time blocking leftwing a-holes and also rightwing pro-Trump accounts that unfortunately and too frequently make ugly racist comments about non-whites. Yes the goons are out there in significant numbers. Elon ought to know better but he’s actually human and does get flustered.
Still, I think neither his nor Vivek’s influence on PDJT will cause PDJT to veer off course regarding MAGA / Main Street policies. But we have to watch closely.
We even get such commenters here, spewing rascist and antisemetic tropes.
My strong suspision is that they are like the Skinheads, etc.; a small but very vocal group of bitter, deluded idiots.
As for Musk, he is neither a White hat or a black hat, he is looking out, first and foremost for himself, and his championing of Free Speech has been shown to be less than 100%, in application long before he banned Laura Loomer.
I agree I am doubtful this group will cause PDJT to veer off coarse, my support for him is unwavering,…but still wish he had picked Kari Lake as his VP, instead of Vance.
Yep. Both Elon & Vivek are looking out for what benefits Elon & Vivek. There may be crossover in that it also benefits us, but that’s where we are going to need PDJT to filter out the suggested policies that don’t.
As for Lake vs. Vance…. Yes, Kari certainly did not have the wrong people and wrong $$$ behind her as did J.D., but it appears PDJT did not put much weight on that aspect of their background qualifications…
Time will tell.
Do you know if Sundance’s twitter account has been reactivated?
Didn’t know it was deactivated. I follow Sundance on Twitter. If that happened it must’ve been within the past few days. I’ll have to check.
Maybe he’s all hat and no cow
Some say he’s on the Asperger’s spectrum, has ADHD, a genius in his own right, and he smokes dope . If he had to pass a drug test for employment he would probably fail.
He’s volatile IMO, he and Vivek should ride off in a Tesla helicopter together and go back to what they were doing before.
Trump doesn’t really need this sh!!t right now.
I think some of those racist commenters are liberal trolls. They love the false flag.
I found that to be true, also FBI/CIA operatives to make us look bad.
Damn straight.
Agree. I’ve seen some of the same racist comments. Hate it.
OK…where it hurts…
What’s in the heart comes up to the tongue.
He’s lost all credibility as far as I’m concerned he’s dead to me.
Then again I am Sicilian.
You’re forgiven, having only two settings on your emotional thermostat – cool and hot. 😎
As for many (most?) of us nerds, that “heart-tongue” saying is often not true. For many of us, the heart* is too often suppressed during scientific/ technical or academic/ intellectual discussions….
*emotional intelligence
My experience has been the opposite. It’s that one moment, a word, deed that tells you everything about a person.
Elon is more trouble than what he’s worth. He put MAGA in his mental wood chipper and most are making excuses for him.
He’s dangerous to our movement, and he’s dangerous to Trump.
Musk does that. He’s not the wisest nor the most restrained. I remember when Musk attacked Alex Jones unfairly, even saying some typical falsehoods about him, when people called for his reinstatement on Twitter after Trump got his account back. Alex Jones on the other hand, even though he was viciously attacked by Musk himself, did not respond in kind, but rather turned the other cheek. But later on, I believe after Musk did some research and saw that none of what Alex Jones was accused by the left was true, got Alex reinstated.
Yes. Your points are valid.
Thank you, GB. I appreciate your comments.
👍👍😎
Hope you are right about PDJT on this GB. At any rate, praying for wisdom and discernment for POTUS Trump. There are lots of alligators out there lying in wait for him of all kinds.
Yes Lolly. I hope everyone is praying for our 47th President’s safety and wisdom.
Those alligators are too often big chameleons with lying tongues but sharp teeth.
You can take it. Lots of emotions on all sides. We’ve got President Trump and his team coming on board and we’ve got SD to keep them all honest. What’s not to like?
“and we’ve got SD to keep them all honest”
well, as much as WE appreciate and love SD, I doubt very much that he’s “keeping” many of that team “honest”
Sundance is certainly keeping US informed (and, of course, we find great value in that)
but until I hear that Don Jr has a couple full-time analysts summarizing Treehouse articles into bullet outlines and that a 1-page summary of each day’s Treehouse main topics and findings (with embedded hotlinks) is being passed out every morning at Presidential staff meetings for discussion …
… I’m not easily persuaded about the extent of Sundance’s influence at the Presidential level
no disrespect to Sundance
but I’m just sayin’
I just wish Sundance was involved in both the Trump Team’s personnel evaluations and the strategy sessions for dealing with both the back-stabbing, self-agrandizing Congressional prostitutes and wimps and the lawfare contingent of enemies.
I think we ALL do, thtk, I think we all do
Musk is more than a little “quirky” and a lot of memeing flies right over my head but after watching this I think it is possible that Musk was memeing.
https://x.com/stevenmackeyman/status/1872902613999731145
This. Good catch.
He said that to YOU?? Why so insecure?
Musk lashed out at MAGA for not embracing his position. His initial reaction was to call those who disagree with him “racists” and then sensor them. Sound familiar? It’s the left’s playbook when they don’t have truth or facts on their side.
I made a career dealing with deceitful, dishonest and unstable people. When someone tells me who they are I don’t pretend they didn’t. President Trump put these two knuckleheads in a very high position of trust and influence. How can Musk be taken seriously now after this juvenile outburst? Because he’s rich? Because he’s a so-called genius? He can be as quirky as a drunk squirrel running his own companies but that’s not who we need cleaning up our corrupt government. I would like to see more Buford Pusser than Auric Goldfinger
It’s been my experience that guys like this, especially software folks, are just a little bit out of phase; different in ways. Can be counted to say crazy things that make you think….” say what?”….A different breed.
The Asperger’s syndrome puts a different spin on what’s going on in his head, plus he is used to saying whatever he wants (to the people around him anyway) and no one checking him.
Don’t forget Musk’s Asperger’s, as well. And his use of illegal drugs.
If you are referring to marijuana, it’s legal in most states now.
Wall Street Journal article published this year reports that Musk does LSD and cocaine.
https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1
“Piss in my face fine, just don’t tell me it’s raining”
Talk about frustration, we never heard Trump who had every reason to go verbally into the wood chipper, say anything close that, especially to the people who brought him to the dance. The verbiage was juvenile, a spoiled brat tantrum if you may.
He’s not on America’s side, he’s on Elon’s side, he’s a fraud in the most Machiavellian way.
Oh for crying out loud
You used a link from Gateway that regularly censors the truth on a website that also censors the truth. Additionally, you support Elon who told “MAGA to go f_ck themselves in the face” and will use his money to go after those that don’t agree. Promising reform after four decades of impoverishing American citizens in their own country while they all lined their pockets with cheap labor,moved jobs overseas, while catering to illegals, foreigners and criminals with only 8 years until our country slides into the financial abyss of the greatest depression is like closing the barn door after the horses escape. No way I vote for any of these morons again as they displayed their true colors and denigrated my fellow Americans from a view point of total ignorance on the number one campaign topic in America.
The US put a man on the moon, invented the space shuttle all with American ingenuity and engineers, yet Elon Musk was only candidate to take it over. BS, many a smart American was bypassed and I don’t remember not one foreigner on the job or phone. Wake up and stopped being hoodwinked falsely believing things will get better. H-1B is only one type of visa they use to fool you. Elon got spanked, but dare not touch Trumps H-2B visas as college students can’t even pay off their loans.
Who is hoodwinked, you think the US actually put a man on the moon?
Amazing isn’t it they’ve not been able to duplicate the trip with more advanced technology. Hmmm
Duplicate? LOL America landed astronauts on the moon 6 times! You conspiracy theorists like to ignore the other subsequent 5 trips to the moon, because trying to “debunk” even the first moon landing makes you look ridiculous already.
It’s not just about advanced tech. For example, we have advanced building machines, but we are not capable of building cathedrals that would compete with the masterpieces created 1,000 years ago. Technology is not everything and rockets will always be difficult to build and expensive.
Which leads me to the second point. The USSR lost the race to the moon. They basically gave up. Why would the US waste more money?
Other countries have orbited the Moon with low orbit satellites and landers and they have high quality photographs of the various US Moon landers sitting on the surface which are charred on top from the Moon blast offs to return US astronauts to Moon orbit. The various moon buggies are visible and tire tracks can be seen. You honestly believe that the Soviet Union and Red China wouldn’t have loved the chance to call BS on “supposed” US Moon landings? You don’t think the USSR and PRC could tell if Moon to Earth radio transmissions were real?
Yeah sure. The conspiracy theory that man never landed on the moon is complete idiocy. Faking six moon landings and the gigantic number of documents and blueprints connected to those landings would be much harder than actually going to the moon.
And if you want to be consistent, tell us how the attempt on Trump’s life was also fake and staged.
There is this thing called the Van Allen Belt, not something you want to go through without some kind of shielding witch none of the crafts had, it would be like riding in a microwave oven. The simple fact is that the propaganda war against Russia was all it ever was and producing documents and such is much easier than actually getting there. Then there is the little known admission by Stanley Kubrick on his death bed about how he made it all happen on a sound stage in Hollywood.
As for the fake attempt on Trump, who takes a shot at a ex-president (running for re-election)and misses? The whole thing stinks of deep state and these type of things are done daily by the CIA and NSA, I have worked for the DoD and I know exactly how far they are willing to go in order to get what they want and nothing is off the table for these people.
Perception is everything, it defines your world and if your not looking for it you will not see it.
I grew up wanting to be an astronaut, truly believed I would be one of the first to go to Mars. Then one day while watching some old film of the moon walks I noticed that when one of the astronauts bounced past a flag that had been planted and was flaccid began to move as the astronaut passed it, he clearly didn’t touch it and there is no atmosphere on the moon so why was it moving?
You do know that the Van Allen Belts are not that dense right?
An average of about 100 particles per meter³. Hardly a death sentence with a short transit time of just a few days each way between Earth and the Moon.
Astronauts in Low Earth Orbit have racked up more accumulated radiation exposure with years long stays at the International Space Station.
Nope don’t know, never been there…
https://www.popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/apollo-rocketed-through-van-allen-belts/
FTA- It would be impracticable to shield astronauts against the high radiation environment of the inner Van Allen belt, they said, but a moderate amount of protection could feasibly protect a crew from the outer van Allen belt.
Yet they supposedly made it through with no serious effects? Propaganda is not just what you are fed but what you swallow.
https://www.epa.gov/radiation/radiation-terms-and-units
Nice link but how is this related to the thread? Try again…
Believe what you want.
American astronauts landed on the moon six times between 1969 and 1972 using then available technology.
So Corey Comperatore is in witness protection, and his family is in on it. The other injured are crisis actors. The ER in Butler doesn’t know fake blood when they see it, and the Redmond Funeral Home has been paid handsomely for the bogus service. That’s your PERCEPTION? Sure.
Nope, Mr. Comperatore is collateral damage, his family has nothing but grief in their hearts, the others who where wounded the same. I did not say that Trump was not shot but that any sniper worth his salt would NOT miss, thus my PERCEPTION is that he was winged and a patsy was shot and killed on scene.
I have known few actual snipers, Green Beret and FBI, they don’t miss….One Shot, One Kill.
Project Paperclip???
“Good guys” don’t calls Americans “retarded” for protesting their own systemic discrimination, and then declare that they are “going to war” to save their precious foreign labor. No, I do not have faith that the smug foreign billionaire who spent his Christmas vacation insulting Americans is ever going to be “America First” on any subject.
He’s not a good guy, he uses young children to bring up cobalt out of the sweltering hot mines in Africa for his precious electric cars that are not practical. IMO they are a Ponzi scheme all to go along with the other scheme global warming.
Shoeless kids..
They think this is dividing us. It isn’t. All it did was help Elon get on OUR wave length and get his mind right. We all good now? Elon? We good now?
I agree. I have faith in him as well
He’s lost all credibility as far as I’m concerned.
Dragon.
Wait…..
THE Flaming Dragon??
No, he did not.
He said that in reply to a X user, not to you, me, or MAGA nation.
Go back and look. Don’t be lazy.
Don’t bother. They are committed to their willful ignorance. This site isn’t what it used to be.
BINGO.
Emotionally manipulative PsyOp hate bait==
OMG y’all Elon attacked MAGA voters.
Many variations of this PsyOp hate bait are now flooding the internet since it worked to turn human beings into vicious online feeding frenzied piranhas.
This is a huge win for the Anti Trump PsyWar Teams whose earlier attempt to take out Elon with their “President Musk Op” which included flooding key sites with reddit tier awful memes, was a dud.
However, the Anti Trump PsyWar bros embraced the mantra “if at first you don’t succeed, try, try again”. And this time they are succeeding. At least for now. At least with some.
At this point, theres no way to know how much damage, or boomerang good, will come from this PsyWar Battle which the Anti Trump PsyOp bros deliberately triggered; a choice they will hopefully soon rue.
Consequently, my approach is President Trumps ” Lets see what happens” approach combined with trying to be Light Heartedly helpful while waiting.
Maybe. Elon Musk is looking out for himself (cannot blame him). Remember that. Also, Elon is a self proclaimed trans-humanist. In a nutshell, he does not want to be confined by borders, nation states, etc. So when he says “make America great again” it is not the same what you and I might mean which is “make America great again for Americans”.
H-1B visa thread on X was an unforced error on the part of Vivek and Elon caused by Vivek’s comment about the American culture and Americans. Unintentionally, they put a spotlight on heavily abused H-1B visa program. It literally took just a few hours for people to dig up statistics on how H-1B are used and who benefits the most. Tesla, by the way, is up there with the most heavy hitters on H-1B foreign labor force.
To have a starting point in the conversation let’s dispense with traditional “H-1B is for the geniuses” nonsense. The starting point should be: “H-1B is to help corporations to reduce their expenses and to pad their bottom line”. When you put it this way, they run away form this conversation because of the optics. You can no longer say that there is not enough Americans with talent and skill and that Americans are lazy. Why, because now you know the motive behind of H-1B hires. I know something myself about it. I was H-1B myself back in 1997 and saw the first hand how the process worked. Now I am a fully naturalized American citizen so I do have a stake in it.
Steve Bannon said it best: “if Elon and Vivek say they need more H-1B visas because there is not enough talent and skill in America amongst Americans, let’s audit them. Let’s find out who those H-1B geniuses are.”
You see, for Elon, in spite of the great service he did to America by buying Twitter and opening the debate, America is just a vehicle, a utility to achieve HIS goals, not yours. America to him is just a host he can grow in until he is ready for his next adventure, Mars. So let’s not be naive here. He picks and chooses what suits him.
There was a thread on X just today, where he was explaining his position on what political system he would implement for “Martians” (future colonists). His preferred choice is a “direct democracy”. This should tell you everything you need to know about his political inclinations and that he does not, probably, fully understand what the American experiment is all about. He is a great engineer, no doubt about it. But I will not be taking advice from him what’s best for Americans.
In the end, I will take the wins, I will appreciate his help, but I will strongly oppose his other tendencies which are not in the best interests of Americans.
Direct democracy, mob rule, on Mars where there is NO room for quirky ideas or emotional dessisions. Note to self-Do not go to Mars with Musk.🤔
Direct Democracy is basically Majority rule.
In a fledgling Martian colony it might be the most appropriate, i.e., The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Still…
One person holds the key to survival.
So, there’s that.
It seems…
Everything Elon has brought to market here on Earth, is also exquisitely suited for colonization of Mars.
A Boring company
(Tunneling/ Mineral extraction)
An Electric car company
(ESPECIALLY the Tank)
The Robotics
(No oxygen/food/sleep required)
The satellites
(Comms btwn Earth and Mars)
Big Heavy/reusable launch vehicles
(No oceans on Mars)
Starlink
(Comms to/from any location on the Martan surface)
X
(Public Square)
Elon believes if we (humanity) don’t become an interplanetary species we will (sooner or later, some way or another) self destruct.
He may be right.
More importantly…
He’s all in, but…
He’s not gettin any younger and he’ll need support and subsidies if he’s to pull it off.
Colonization of Mars would be Historic!!
I just don’t want to be another pebble in the tailings pile he leaves behind.
Dear Dragon,
Actions speak louder than words. “Good Guy” is as Good Guy does. Emotions, instincts etc. don’t pay the bills.
I just read Thread Readers analysis of five years of H-1B visa ap data and here are the highlights:
1) H-1B’s original intent of attracting the world’s most elite tech talent to the U.S. isn’t happening because the DOJ, in collusion with several major US and Indian companies, has corrupted the program and use it to recruit hundreds of thousands of lower-wage tech workers that rightly should be filled by Americans.
2)The H-1B program has a statutory limit of eighty five thousand visa approvals per year, but the DOL is disregarding it’s own statutes and in 2024 approved eight hundred and sixty eight thousand visas, more than ten times the level approved by law!
3) The bottom line is that our government, working in collusion with U.S. companies like Google, IBM and Salesforce, as well as Indian companies like Cognizant, Infosys and Tata, are openly flouting the law and have corrupted the good intent of H-1B and turned it into a very large middle finger held up to the faces of thousands of unemployed American tech workers!
The H1B visa program is deadly serious business – After shipping all the good jobs overseas this is how they extinguish even the crappy ones that are left – What’s an American to do? – Notice through the program the employers don’t have to pay Social Security or Medicare on the foreign labor – Even if an American wanted the job out of desperation he still wouldn’t be able to get it.
THEY MIGHT AS WELL FORCE US ALL DOWN IN A PIT AND MACHINE-GUN US:
I agree, H-1B needs changing in a BIG way or it needs to be eliminated!
Eliminate it. otherwise it will say oh well we are bringing in fewer and then it just explodes again..no…eliminate it.
“Eliminate it”.
” it” == ???
Fwiw…..
If “it” == the current network of government immigration structure,laws and policies
My response would be,” perhaps this would be the best aproach”
However, if “it” == NO Legal Immigrants/Immigration. Period.
Then my response would be a soberly Light Hearted implacable, “NO”.
Did you catch the part that said the largest amount of these H1b visas went to Indian owned Tech Consulting Companies that had USA Locations — they contracted out their Tech people mostly for A.I.
Wonder if any Campaign Donations were involved in that 860,000+ H1b’s that Biden issued waivers for.
I wonder about that as much as I wonder if any of the money sent to Ukraine ends up in the pockets of crooked pols here in the US…just kidding, we all know that’s where most of it goes!
Anyone in Tech knows about TaTa consulting and the like.
The data you’re referring to is for all LCA applications, not just H1b. And it also includes renewals, rather than just new applications. I posted about this upthread. H1b’s are renewed unless the renewal application is rejected, so this data includes the renewal applications of many visa holders whose visas were issued in prior years. Only new applications are included in the cap.
Also, maybe you know this and I’m just reading it wrong, but “thread readers” is just a tool for organizing multiple posts for ease of reading on X. I assume you’re referring to Robert Sterling’s posts. He self-identifies as a non-expert on the subject. He just downloaded a bunch of data and put it into charts w/o much concern for clearly identifying exactly what the charts reflect.
Robert Sterling
@RobertMSterling
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6h
When people on Twitter think you’re an immigration policy expert but you’re really just a chill guy who downloads government data and makes bar charts
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gf-qZwwWMAA7VFu?format=jpg&name=small
and? average salary figures are still damning.
and…I didn’t think people would want to be relying on wildly incorrect information. The entire second paragraph of the OP, including the “important” part in bold is wrong by miles.
you have rendered a service, thanks
“and?”
Kudos for responding by first posting a question before sharing the feels reaction.
A hopefully psywar survival useful fwiw….
Perhaps when viewing any “figures” that are posted during a PsyWar Battle treat those “figures” as an Appeal to Authority Logical Fallacy?
Trust the Experts.
Trust Dr Fauci.
Trust the Numbers….they’re “damning”.
Perhaps the PsyWar savvy response to not trust any graphs or numbers right now?.
And to instead take a sober, emotional toxin free, wait and see approach
Obviously this doesnt apply to those whove been programmed to crave the biochemicals triggered by outraged feels. For those people I only offer prayers and best wishes for a speedy recovery.
I was only looking to move the debate along. you are obviously out for blood. hunt elsewhere, savage one.
I am referring to Robert Sterling’s post, (not posts), on Threadreader. Sterling clearly equates his approval numbers with H-1B only and his data was posted on Citizen Free Press.
If you’re saying Sterling’s data is in error or misleading, you’ll have to take it up with him, as I’m not in a position to say which of you is right.
You posted it here as fact and with bold and superlatives stating that it was proof that “the DOL is disregarding it’s own statutes and in 2024 approved eight hundred and sixty eight thousand visas, more than ten times the level approved by law!”
You posted that here without having any idea whether or not it was true. It is not. So I’m taking it up with you. I tried politely. That didn’t work.
You have a penchant for putting words in my mouth that I never penned. Nowhere in my post was I “…stating that it (the analysis) was proof…”
I clearly said that I read Thread Readers analysis and here are the highlights, (from that analysis).
You further say that I posted “…without having any idea whether or not it was true.”
If that’s the case, then presumably your indictment of me extends also to Citizens Free Press, who saw fit to post the Thread Reader analysis with their editorial comment in capital letters that, “THIS IS THE BEST DATA WE’VE SEEN.” CFP is among the top 25 media influencers in the U.S. Are they also guilty of irresponsible posting?
I care little about your politeness, kathyca, but the irony of your numerous misstatements even as you call for accuracy isn’t lost on me.
Lions, tigers and bears….oh my!
Don’t forget Toto!
Quibbles about data in specific visa categories do not change the larger issue. Immigration has been used as a weapon against the American people for 50 years. The most recent assault was on an already open wound. Can you not understand this or do you have some personal interest in the H1 program?
PS I lived immigration policy and data for 27 years. Fraud, Lies refusal to enforce the law, failure by design.
It’s not a quibble about data. The OP made a gross, yet emphatic, misstatement about the “data” compiled by some rando on X. This site has previously been about truth and THAT is what I’m interested in. See the Comments for Guidelines (5):
Our Mission at The Conservative Treehouse is to be the premier assembly of freedom loving people. To that end we commit to:
* * * (5) The accurate dissemination of truth; without fear or apology, because ultimately the Truth Has No Agenda.
I have never disputed that there is visa abuse or that it should be remedied.
And since you passively aggressively mentioned it, I have zero personal interest in the H1 program and your suggestion that I do is also repugnant to what this site is (or at least has been) about.
If there is something wrong with the data and charts, why don’t you refute it with data that shows otherwise?
Believe it if you want. I don’t have the time or inclination to disprove that which has no credibility to start with. Just doing my part to make sure the Truth is what’s under discussion here.
Kathyca, I value your reasoned and measured responses.
Thanks, Hello. I’m feeling a little twilight zoney and appreciate your kind words 🙂
Our government hates us!
Until Jan. 20, I’m afraid you’re right.
The permanent administrative bureaucrats are still there after Jan 20th. They still hate us.
They have billions of $$$ reasons.
And so do our billionaires
To many corporations feel the same and many are owned by foreigners who aren’t concerned with the U.S. surviving as a cohesive American society since they, their children and kin are not part of it. They also have no concerns for the American worker. IMO if you run a company in America you should have to hire American’s even if you have to train them.
The result is many harmed Americans because of corporate greed.
Excellent summary. 👍🏻
Thank you, sir.
You’re welcome, but it’s 💃🏼. ☺️
Oops!
H1B Visa workers and their Big Tech employers are both exempt from paying Social Security and Medicare taxes which total 15% of their salaries!
That should be changed immediately and make them pay. It will help the Social Security system which is scheduled to run out of money in five years!
Wrong. Get your facts straight before opining.
Employers have to match the 7.65% that employees have to pay for Social Security and Medicare totaling 15%. A huge expense for both Employees and Employers.
nice analysis, Lion
thanks for that contribution
I appreciate it, nimrodman.
Getting sort of tired reading about how Musk says it should be overhauled. Yeah, so the rich can pay more which doesn’t actually affect the rich very much. No lessening or stopping.
I agree Drip, I don’t see that as an acceptable choice. Sounds like Trump talked to him so he came up with this not good enough for me.
They just shouldn’t be talking down to us, like we’re the ones that had the meltdown.
I like Elon, Elon’s got great potential.
But this has been a PR nightmare for him, and now his supporters are continuing it.
Given his Aspergers and the sheer number of his x followers, he should invest in a trusted advisor to look at his x post
before he hits send.
Or maybe Grok could help. “Elon, i cant’t let you send that. Just count to 10 and ponder weather the entire MAGA nation will be offended by you telling someone who they may agree with to ‘GFYS in the face’ “
Trump must have told him “no,” and no one tells Elon “no.”
All Elon needs to do is come down from his Ivory Tower and look at some of what was probably already posted to X, and see it as information to study not a critique of his opinion based solely on his own personal experience.
He could have also looked at other information on the internet from conservative websites like Breitbart. com.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2024/12/28/h-1b-uproar-obscures-vast-workforce-other-white-collar-migrants/
I have to say nothing he’s said or done has given me confidence he’s going to be of any value to President Trump when it comes to downsizing and cutting government spending. He seems totally unaware of how government works or how it’s supposed to work.
President Trump did reforms and limits in his first term – everyone “tired” and against that also?
no but reforms in the first term was pretty much slashed by Biden and his administration. I’m not attacking anything Trump. I’m writing about Musk, etc.
Corporations don’t pay taxes. Consumers of their goods and services pay it.
I’m sick of that MOFO! We didn’t for Elon we voted for the one and only Trump.
btw, there is already a separate program for super-gifted.
Bringing workers here is essentially no different than shipping all the jobs there–except chain migration causes endless costs here.
It’s called “Privatizing the Benefit, Socializing the Costs”.
Where that “super gifted” argument falls apart is that asians (Indian, Chinese) also come to the USA to avail themselves of higher education. If the American education system is so broken here, then why do foreigners desire it so much, and by extension, their US employers?
Maybe, just maybe, those who attend these programs are here to replace their American counterparts, who receive the same degrees from the same universities as the foreigners, except at their own expense.
Our gubmint does not “subsidize” American students nor the companies who hire them. Why not? And God forbid American students saddled with student loan debt expect to one day earn a living wage!
Two students can enter the same HS or American university and come out with polar opposite results. TPTB are letting American students slide by and they shouldn’t, even if students want to. Letting an illiterate obtain a HS diploma only degrades everyone’s HS diploma. That is partial evidence that the US public school system is broken.
I had a choice in HS to go for a general HS diploma or go for a NYS Regents diploma and I chose the harder path. I never submitted a paper that I didn’t write. I spent study halls and lunch time in the school library.
Indeed!
No moving forward until Elon and Vivek apologize for their insults, name-calling, and unhinged tirades.
That will never happen.
How about we make it simple for everybody.
No visas or invaders for at least 5 to 10 years.
I doubt anyone has done a deep dive economic analyses of what such a stark change would cause,..but I suspect no one would like the results…
Now I would like to see the data on the EB5 Visas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EB-5_visa
EB5 lawsuit: https://behringeb5.com/eb-5-groups-settle-lawsuits-allow-program-to-permanently-restart/
Thinking about this some more, this may be part of a Trump strategy. He’s put a major policy decision on the table, mobilized his electorate, educated them, put down our tech oligarchic enemies, taken a slap at corporate welfare, and he won’t be sworn in for another month.
He’s been laying down some markers elsewhere, too. Good.
He’s also sending a huge message to the bureaucrats and the cabinet McConnell will pick for him. “I have the people behind me, you have tech oligarchic behind you. Let’s see how it goes.”
President Trump will certainly make Lemonade out of a lemon. But this has been a PR nightmare for Elon, Mr. Trump would have never asked that from him, and Elon would have never agreed to it.
We’re just witnessing the growth of a man on a highly public stage.
It’s time to move on together that much more stronger.
I don’t think Trump asked Musk anything. He just wound him up and let him go, knowing how it’d turn out, when a couple mouthy Deep State blowhards went off.
Only Trump knew of the strategy, I’d guess.
President Trump is certainly shrewd enough to handle people in this fashion. But not Elon, Elon’s way to valuable to him, they’re friends now, Elon would know exactly what was done to him.
A younger man screwing up and his older Mentor fixing the situation is much more likely.
I totally agree the whole rigamarole is turning out highly beneficial to President Trump.
No, Musk is not valuable, he’s an enemy. Trump knows this, you may depend.
Musk did this to himself. Trump engineered it. The action went to Trump’s strategy, not Musk’s.
Suggest those in lust with Musk take note. He’s not very bright, after the Deep State and corporate welfare aren’t in play.
F*ck your face indeed, Elon.
It’s possible. You’re making some excellent points. I do think Elon’s been over-rated with Twitter.
If he hadn’t rescued it I think it would have been run over by Truth Social.
But Elon did some really good work on the campaign trail, hard long hours. And he’s highly influential with the younger generations.
I’ve noticed also the Silicon Valley gurus seem to have been handpicked (weren’t Gates’s parents CIA), but there’s some natural positioning that goes along with this, and Elon’s a bonified electrical engineer with excellent credentials.
He’s got to offer something or he wouldn’t be there, unless Trump has him there to be used like a tool, but then he wouldn’t be a very good enemy operative and we’re back to a younger man off the rails a little.
It’s called keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.
And Musk has been an 8 year enemy. Proven so. The data is quite clear on this.
One of the first things that was done after this whole H1B thing kicked off was the banning of conservatives on X, free speech my a**.
There’s plenty of reason to conclude from the results of all this that the VSG rides again. ☺️
Augustus: “Varus, where are my legions?
Saxons: “stay outta my woods.”
So true
So what is the solution? They will take Trump out by any means necessary.
JMO but it will all come down to major reform of the H1 program. Sundance was right …Musk and friends response was emotional.When explained they will agree to reforms and limits.
Living in a seasonal resort area I am aware of the seasonal hires using visas and there is abuse with this program as well. There is one large company here that built several condos on the beach and manages the rentals. Most of their hires during on season are visa hires.
While they profess to offer employment to locals they claim that most do not pass the drug testing. I doubt the foreign students are tested ….because what would they do with them if they fail…they are financially invested in the students. They house them in condos that they rent to them where there are 10+ per condo unit.
Students mostly clean condos and are paid a low fee with ridiculous expectation for cleaning detail instruction. The more units they clean in a day the more pay, this does not lead to a clean condo. I can tell you this, I would not stay in one of their condos. I personally know that it is entirely possible to find pubic hairs inside a refrigerator. Think cleaning rags that are not changed out. This is not an issue of “better workers” cause the locals are slackers. Sorry if I ruined someones future vacation plans.
Bottom line this company does not want to pay a fair wage and they get what they paid for.
The kids can’t pass a urine screen because they all got a Florida Medical Marijuana card for anxiety.. Don’t worry, the State is making a killing even if the patients are unemployable!!
Too little too late, the generation damage has already been done to Americans. This blog may not believe the truth or censor the truth, but it just let’s us know you are part of the problem, not the solution. Funny how some republican website are outing themselves as fake media. We are making a list, so we know who not to believe.
Could you put together a list of republican website that are outing themselves as fake media?
Thanks.
I’m finding a lot of nefarious attacks on my conn to this site the past week, as well as observing an increase of direct attacks on the character of this website. May be coincidence.
But I doubt it.
🎯 🤣
Do you have examples or sources?
And by “problem,” they mean “you’re throwing too much sand into the Uniparty machine.”
Hey IrishinTX, share the list so we can find some more sand throwers to join us.
Who is we? Be careful don’t let the mask slip too much….
alternate expression:
“What you mean WE, Kemosabe?”
If you have to train your replacement. Then they are NOT better than you.
The war against the White middle class continues.
#WAR
Makin’ that dang common sense again…
👍🏻
Genocide by visa.
A few related questions . . .
What is DOGE really about?
Why is Elon interested in government efficiency?
Is it about replacing D.C. workers?
Replacing them with Indian call centers?
Wouldn’t government be MORE EFFICIENT if the human workers are replaced with Musk’s AI?
With Musk’s imported HB1 visa workers?
With call centers based in India?
For example, when you call the IRS to get a form or with a question, why not have that call answered by a call center in India? Wouldn’t that save money and be more efficient . . . and make the owner of the call center rich?
Is DOGE about eliminating programs?
Or about making programs “more efficient” by privatizing the work and making Elon even more of a welfare queen?
DOGE is about getting rid of Musk and Ramaswampy. McConnell is going to laugh uproariously at them, much like his predecessors laughed at Hillary’s Health Care Task Force 30+ years ago.
If they come up with good stuff, it might stimulate some argument out here. Good, but McConnell will not care. His paymasters ain’t giving up their rice bowl.
That one picture of J.D. Vance?
Hill Billy “Hindu” Vice President to be…….(yeah I know he is probably not Hindu but why the red dot?)
Hindubilly
heh
Running for re-election in 2022:
J.D. Vance: New Congress Must Go After Corporations Replacing Americans with Foreign H-1B Visa Workers:
“…On the OhioHealth layoffs, set to occur early next month and continue through the beginning of 2023, Vance said federal law must be overhauled to ensure corporations like OhioHealth are not allowed to replace their American employees via third-party outsourcing firms like Accenture.
“Generally speaking, a lot of the H-1B abuse we see is in the interests of the people hiring the [foreign visa] worker, who can undercut the wages of Americans, but is it in the interest of the 700 Ohioans who lost their jobs? Absolutely not,” Vance told Breitbart News. …
“My argument to [Tim] Ryan is the legislature creates these policies that allow these companies to take advantage of American workers, the only real solution is for the legislature to make different policies,” Vance said. “I really think we have to cut down on the abuse of the H-1B visa system.”
The outsourcing-offshoring business model has proven extremely lucrative for Fortune 500 companies like Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, JP Morgan Chase, and others as they often contract with “body shop” firms like Cognizant, Tata Consulting Services, Infosys, Accenture, IBM, and Capgemini to lay off their American employees and replace them with tens of thousands of foreign H-1B visa workers primarily from India.
While being laid off, Americans are often forced to train their foreign H-1B visa replacements. If they do not, in most cases, their employer withholds their severance package. There are about 650,000 foreign H-1B visa workers in the U.S. at any given moment. …
“The question when we allow a new person to come to America should be, ‘Is this in the interests of the people who live here? Or is this in the interests of some narrow, multinational corporate interests?’” …….
So far, Vance has been a Profile in Curtains.
Congress critters don’t write legislation, lobbyists do. Hell, most of them probably don’t even read it.
Thanks for looking that up and sharing it. I remembered the gist of it but hadn’t saved it so I could share it.
Das rassis.
Probably.
If there is one thing Sundance has taught us it is to see the way the ruling class has used LAWS to get around our Bill of Rights.
The #1 issue for voters was immigration.
Now they want to make the argument that it’s legal immigration vs illegal so the LAWS they have made to flood our country with ‘legal immigrants’ can be tweaked a bit and call it done. NO!
The corporations hire workers across all the industries this way, tech, medical fields, nursing homes, food processing, all of them. It’s not just the Indians, remember the corporate hires of Haitians in Springfield?
We know they just exploit all the laws which is why Americans no longer even have a dominance in any industries in America now.
They don’t even need laws…besides the open border policy and the “emergency fugitive” powers used for Haitians, there is the OPT:
It is okay go be white.
Thanks but I don’t need anyone’s permission to be what I am.
Didn’t basketball player Caitlin Clark apologize for it, and destroyed her fan base.
𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩: “𝐈 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐇𝟏-𝐁 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐰𝐞𝐥𝐥, 𝐈 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝𝐧’𝐭 𝐛𝐞 𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐢𝐭. 𝐖𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝𝐧’𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐢𝐭. 𝐈𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲, 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐛𝐚𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐮𝐧𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐫 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐛𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐝”
https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1873172920396382490
Just wondering why, in this age of technology, where we can see and speak to anyone anywhere and send message and information at a speeding pace, could someone explain why we would need to have immigrants come here to do their coding. If its physical jobs but these are people working in the tech field.
Remote may not be ideal as it is also being exploited.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-disrupts-north-korean-remote-it-worker-fraud-schemes-through-charges-and
This topic, this debate over H1b visas isn’t going away, any time soon, nor should it.
Witness the# of comments this and previous articles have generated.
And thats a good thing, Democracy is messy, as is the process of using public debate to find the truth of the matter.
There ARE other things happening in the World, Jimmy Carter died, and in Georgia, the Georgia Dream Nationalist party succeeded in fighting off the Nuland/Powers fake color revolution.
While the center of the fight between Nationalist/Populists and Globullusts is in the U.S , because our enemy are GLOBULLUSTS, who aspire to a One World Government, important to note this IS a major victory for our side.
R.I.P. Jimmy.
I hope you and the rabbit reconcile your differences in the hereafter.
That bunny showed good judgement!
Clarice Feldmen of American Thinker does a nice job on H1B debate. I suspect we’ll end with a happy compromise and a MUCH improved LEGAL immigration system. Something impossible under a Democrat or RINO administration. Maybe we do something about education too – but that’s a much heavier lift.
I see that Elon has moderated.
“Elon Musk to the Principal’s office. Elon Musk to the Principal’s office.”
“Cleanup on aisle 6-6-6.”
Monika Showalter has yet a different and refreshing take on the debate, also in todays AmericanThinker.
“H1b visas, Caution about importing “the best and the brightest”.
Making valid points, that “B&B” can also mean elitists, who in their rigid caste society, has accessto the best schools, etc. and, most importantly do not have American values.
Better to bringin poor immigrants who truly adhere to American values, we have too many elitists as it is.
I found both articles and agree, Monica’s is better. Clarice surprised me by wanting too much compromise, and evidently having no awareness of things like the body chop shops mentioned here over the last two days. She’s usually more on the ball…
Here’s the link to Monica’s article. Note that I had to add a return (enter) character after the final slash so it wouldn’t break the margin here. People who want to follow it need to remove that extra “carriage” return when copying and pasting.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/12/
h1b_caution_about_importing_only_the_best_and_brightest.html
I dissuaded my son when he was in high school from going into IT because of its workers losing their jobs to foreign H1B Visa holders.
Elon Musk can bite me.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1873174358535110953
RIP JC you were a better post President building houses for the poor than the disaster you were as President
Do we have any evidence that Jimmy didn’t screw up every house he worked in? I have these visions of Jimmy searching desperately for a metric straight edge or a left handed monkey wrench. I can see him throwing half the nails away because the heads were on the wrong end. He might have been a decent carpenter but who would tell us? Other bureaucrats or the media?
It’s H2B. Trump mis spoke. I bet he is up to speed now.
Half the thread is still getting that wrong. SMH.
The only reason for getting it wrong would be not reading the whole article and heading straight to the comments. 😆
(And yes, I’ve done that myself a time or two – I suspect many have. But it tends to trip a person up…)
well, we’ll know it when he comes out with a correction in the media, right?
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I don’t mind the wait.
If there was any doubt that Merrick Garland wanted Donald Trump in federal prison for the rest of his life…
Mike Davis on X:
“Team Biden admits to The Washington Post they waged lawfare and election interference against Trump. Now the Trump 47 Justice Department must investigate this. Conspiracy against rights (18 U.S.C. § 241) is a very serious federal felony.
Biden admits to The Washington Post that Merrick Garland waged lawfare and election interference against Trump.
Now the Trump 47 Justice Department must investigate this.
Conspiracy against rights (18 U.S.C. § 241) is a very serious federal felony. Article is here…
https://x.com/mrddmia/status/1873214144058671591?
And….. The band played on….
Isn’t this off topic for this thread?
Elon has stated plainly that he will ‘go to war’ over H1 to protect his business model but will now concede to a tweaking due to the pushback.
I still hope Trump will come out and reaffirm his 2016 promise to end H1 but unfortunately hasn’t done so.
If the expected financial crises from Trump’s 1929 reference is combined with all the corporations plans of continued ‘legal immigration’ then it would have the potential rapidly escalate to in the street kind of fighting over jobs.
The theme of ‘are you American or not’ would be a dividing line. Hoover in 1930 halted all immigration.
The only way we have half a chance of removing or encouraging self-deportation of the illegals is to halt all immigration. There is no other way to figure out who is who. The corporations are not on our side, most of their boards are a bunch of globalists. We must take all undocumented or illegal or non-americans off the welfare, social security and other freebee programs. They should not be given money for anything nor free education or health care (aside from emergency).
We are hearing extreme versions of arguments about using H1Bs, and usually the correct answer is in the middle. In 2020, President Trump wrote EO 13843 to ensure the prioritized employment of US citizens at the TVA versus foreign contractors. Very similar concerns, expertly handled in the Executive Order. Part of the immigration program was designed to bring talented professionals into the nation, but we can see how that was distorted. Maybe our colleges should focus on quality technical programs versus social and “woke” training. It is very difficult to remain objective about college programs and the real merits to society. The problem with technical programs is that they generally take knowledge, commitment, and hard work to complete and more work than many students want to exert.
Here is a detailed and lengthy assessment of the H1B visa controversy. This assessment was unavailable in all but one of my posts yesterday. Not sure if X deleted it or not. The H1B abuse has been exposed now but his figures are still interesting IMO.
https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1873174358535110953
Greta will be 22 years old on January 3rd. I wonder is she will ever come to think that her parents used her?
That’s a great question that might be asked of all those lefty teens and twenty-somethings when they reach 40 or whenever they mature into seeing truth as it actually is.
Electric car batteries need child labor to mine for cobalt. Children as young as four are beaten if they don’t bring up their quota. Elon has to know about this because Tesla was named in a lawsuit brought by the families of babies killed digging for cobalt. Yet he continues, he has a dream and the peasants be damned.
His outburst was not an anomaly, that is Elon.
Do you not think they are not using the missing children they smuggled over the border?
“Dell, Microsoft and Tesla also among tech firms named in case brought by families of children killed or injured while mining in DRC”
`The Guardian
Many of those kids come from parents who survived the Rawandan genocide in 93.
Elon doesn’t care, that’s cold. I hope Trump knows.
Elon got too close to Trump’s children and grandchildren. Scary!!
How many are being brought to the Congo while we are distracted by Musk’s crazy comments?
This whole thing strikes me as a tempest in a teapot…and a big distraction (perhaps a necessary one!) from the mass deportations that are needed. It runs the risk of taking our eye off the ball. The big prize here is the mass deportations. That HAS to get done.
Yeah, we can tweak the H1B visa program, and it affects a very small number of people in the grand scheme of things. But this country will be unimaginably better if we booted out 20M-30M illegals. I can’t even begin to describe the positive impacts of kicking that many people out who are just a massive drain on the taxpayers, criminal justice system, and even things like housing prices and food prices.
Putting a tax in H1B that says, “OK, you can hire an Indian programmer, but if you need it THAT BAD then you’re going to pay a tax for it which we’ll use to train an American Citizen to replace said Indian programmer so the Indian can go home.”
Oh and just take away the citizenship piece. Nobody on those visas should ever be eligible for citizenship or chain migration of family members here. It’s only purpose should be to hire somebody whose skills are not available from a qualified American citizen. Once that position is filled, the H1B holder GOES HOME. Period.
That’s how you back Vivek into a corner. OK Vivek, you can have your mathlete spelling bee champion software programmer so that “America can win” or whatever, but he’s GOING HOME and he’s not moving his family here either.
It is absolutely amazing how many people do not know who Les Grossman is (Tom Cruise character from the movie “Tropic Thunder”), and is only slightly less amazing that people don’t realize Elon was replying to a twitter user….and not MAGA….when Musk “went Grossman” on the user and told him to FYF.
Folks, the point of ANYONE referencing the FYF movie line is to invoke laughter. Musk did not tell you, or MAGA, to go FYF.
Calm down.
Chances that this “debate” is not organic but rather intentionally engineered by Team Trump, prior to inauguration and Day 1 Executive Orders, approaches 100%.
Less emotion, more cold, machiavellian calculations are required on (y)our part.
Fact:
Debate educates and informs. It causes people to research and fact check.
Immigration is a PRIORITY topic for the incoming Trump Admin.
Q: What are the odds that this debate was accidental vs. intentional??
Q: Does anything Trump is involved with happen “accidentally”?
****CAUTION****
CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS REQUIRED
Weren’t you the one saying the other day, without providing evidence, that Trump and Homan were walking back their rhetoric about deporting illegals?
Thanks for enlightening a whole bunch of folks. Many people, myself included, are not movie goers and would much rather read books. It shouldn’t be amazing to you that people never heard of Les Grossman or “Tropic Thunder.” I never did, but I do know about William Shakespeare and others like him.
What’s amazing is that the quote itself didn’t cause people to look into it. I’m also a reader and have never seen or heard of Tropic Thunder. But when I saw Musk’s post, my common sense kicked in and I looked into it. At which point I quickly learned that it was intended to be a funny post directed at a specific person he was engaging on X. Simple. If it seems absurd, it probably is.
I got curious and started watching the movie.
It’s all absurdist humor plus a lot of fake gore.
I knew when the pro-H1B advocates immediately started calling everyone opposed to them “raaaa-cist” they don’t actually have any counter argument.
Btw, a word about our athlete culture. Or, more accurately, several words, for math nerd Vivek Ramaswamy…
“On the fields of friendly strife are sown the seeds that on other days, on other fields will bear the fruits of victory.” – Gen Douglas MacArthur
We absolutely must encourage a warrior spirit in this country. Our current feckless ruling class just lost a war in Ukraine because they found out that bullets will defeat some State Department clown “owning” the Russians on Twitter EVERY TIME.
And I write that as a math teacher who also happens to be an athlete. We do need smart people. But we also need TOUGH MEN.
Trump should have got ahead of this
Maybe the F you in your face comment was meant for Trump because he disagreed with him about the topic at hand. No one tells Elon “no.”
Elon thinks he’s smarter than Trump, that Trump owes him. I didn’t vote for Mushy, he’s too loosey goosey.
He’s a disturbed genus, wish he would go do his space thing.
That Tweet was evidence of extreme weakness in his position. I immediately took it as a sign that they know how extremely vulnerable they are.
Unless you’re Elon, no one can honestly claim to really know what he thinks.
This dust up was a complete shock to everyone, including the people throwing punches at Trump’s DOGE leaders.
Sometimes people don’t realize how angry they are inside themselves on an issue, and then they explode. That’s what this reminds me of. On the other side, I think Vivek and Elon have literally NO CLUE how angry we are about immigration overall – they think it’s just an MS13 or TdA thing, and not illegals like Perla the hotel maid or Jose their gardener and their 5 non English speaking offspring who suck away education from the American kids at the local school.
They just found out the hard way that people are not just upset. They’re enraged. White hot furious rage about the demographic overthrow of our country by the enemies behind the gates.
There’s no way Trump saw this coming, or could have expected Vivek and Elon to embarrass themselves so quickly and completely. And I would bet Trump knew once things exploded that we can take care of ourselves.
Expect some half measure apologies and conciliatory language this week. They just learned an important lesson about MAGA.
We are not f*cking fooling around. We expect results. We expect loyalty. And if we don’t get it, we will act.
Totally agree-the new model is the “elites” get to do whatever serves them and theirs unbound by morality, ethics, law, tradition, community, and country-and hard luck for the rest of us who live with the consequences. They don’t even pretend or try to hide any of it. It’s basically push as far as allowed and since they control the moderating forces, there are no boundaries. They would replace every worker and then say it is market capitalism at work or good for our competitive edge or some such argument. They only will stop if they are opposed. This is why I think this kerfuffle is important.
Well said. I’ve had the same thoughts also. Can’t put the genie back in the bottle. We’ve lost everything, including a st*len election. We won’t back down. E&V threw this at us. We tossed a tsunami back with no hesitation.
The upside is E&V just put the H1b on the front burner with the rest of the immigration issues.
THAT is a blessing!!!
I would like to know what other incentives the emoloyers get for hiring foreign workers besides 1/2 priced labor? No FICA employer tax?? No having to pay Federal income tax?
What?
That is incorrect. Don’t parrot what you read from someone else who doesn’t have his/her facts straight. Both worker and company pay Fica taxes.
I believe RT was asking, not parroting.
Good questions.
The U.S.A. didn’t need H1B or H2B when we went to the moon.
Sadly, this isn’t 1960’s America. We aren’t in Kansas anymore, Toto.
You might have noticed the generational differences. For example, when I was in school we didn’t even have calculators yet, but everyone could do geometry, calculus, and trigonometry.
Today’s HS grads? Don’t make me laugh.
I’ve never been to Kansas and please don’t call me Toto🤣
very difficult to get past the ‘f you in the face’ and go to ‘war’. Also, Vivek’s put down of jock culture. These are some seriously arrogant comments. Vivek sounds like a racist. Neither one of them gives two hoots about AMERICANS!
Do you actually read the prior comments before you post or do you believe you are adding something new to the discussion without checking first?
Little Red Machine is 100% correct. Vivek is nasty, arrogant man who blamed Americans for their own systemic discrimination, and he needs to apologize.
Count me with the rustbelt folks even if I live in blue Oregon country. I and many have fought and donated millions to Trump team and we will let him know where we stand on this issue. I continue to pray for Trump’s discernment and this is certainly one issue he will need discernment and courage. Courage he does not lack I am sure. Hopefully folks like Navarrow will advice him well.
Have you folks seen how today’s teachers are forcing children in the public school education system to use “the new math”?
Do you realize how much of a JOKE it is? What a giant (and intentional, systemic) disservice it is to our young??
Vivik stands on a strong leg when he criticizes America’s education system.
When a parent ( having been taught in u.s. school )
offers to reinforce, to build confidence in a child about how to do a math home work problem …
and the child says ( in confusion ) …
‘ mom, but that’s not what the teacher said ‘
And the parent asks the child what the teacher said and the child goes ‘ I can’t explain it…’
[ that example is over 20 years ago ]
Yes, there is a problem
( and the answer is not more money.
The answer is more competence, its achieving verifiable results… )
And now, there is a generation of teachers that do not know how to teach verifiable math
and people running cash registers having problems counting change… etc.
And that’s just the math portion of overall k-16 education.
There is a verifiable fix and in some States, it has begun…but will need to be a consistent 10-30 year remedy.
[ the visa’s etc. are a partial consequence of the years of miss dept of Ed you cay $hun ]
And yes, there are exceptions. But whereas everyone is unique or special in their own way, and are a gift from God …not everyone is an exception that found a way to overcome the u.s. miss ed you cay $hun $ystem.
Imho
People know…
Do not blame teachers. It is the curriculum stupid
The teachers are not allowed to teach anything they want!
For example, in our school district They are not allowed to teach multiplication tables . (Which I memorized in 3rd grade back in the day)
Students cannot multiply a 3 digit number by a 2 digit number such as 324 x 28 without a convoluted discussion of hundreds and 10s and ones. . Not allowed to just start by multiplying 8 x4 and carry the 3.
To divide 7/8 by 1/2 you are not allowed to just invert and multiply 7/8 x 2/1. Instead you have to draw bars and line segments and other new concepts which in my view are not helpful.
The curriculum and daily lesson plans are dictated by the DOE admin downtown or in our state capital or in Washington.
The elected school board has no clue.
In my view it is not the teachers fault the kids can’t do basic arithmetic. It’s the curriculum that is the problem in my opinion. The teachers have no discretion.
Teachers are forced to teach from the prescribed math textbooks which are confusing in my opinion
Please Forgive me I did not intend to call Gymcy81 or any person stupid . Sorry for my rant!
I just think the math curriculum as well as much other curriculum imposed on the teachers by the dept of education is stupid and leads to poor outcomes making some of our American students less competitive with students from other countries.
But I agree that H1B has abused capable American workers unfairly.
And i think one reason some teachers tend to be left wing nuts is because the dept of education feeds them left wing dogma.
Eliminating dept of Ed is a start but not the final solution
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The “new math” is a stupidly misguided attempt to teach average kids patterns and connections in mathematics that the brightest kids intuitively grasp, invent, and/or rapidly figure out and use all by themselves — all taught by teachers who themselves didn’t hail from that set of students.
While it apparently plagues those who are of the sort that used to get by adequately enough through required elementary and secondary school math courses with plugging and rote memorization, I’ve seen no evidence that it’s causing a problem for the math whiz kids who would in the future be pursuing fields heavy in mathematics.
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Dumping common core is a start.
Vivek is is full of it. America has qualified STEM graduates ready to go right now. Vivek’s Tech Bros just don’t want them. American students are being blamed for their own discrimination and your piling on doesn’t help.
https://x.com/USTechWorkers/status/1872773432573854044
Agree. If our highly qualified STEM graduates are not getting job offers bc the foreign people with H1B visa are getting the jobs instead, then I think that needs to be fixed urgently
There is much anecdotal evidence that regular non-whiz kid American workers in many less sophisticated industries are losing jobs due to H1B problems
In my town 100 workers lost jobs when a call center processing Medicare part D pharma mail orders was shut down. The call center lost the contract to Infosys. These were American high school grads making only $15. Per hour but Infosys found Indians here in this country willing to work for less..
I think Somehow Congress needs to systematically analyze the overwhelming evidence beyond anecdotal stories
True!!
Common core puts the cart before the horse in its approach to math. It tries to teach concepts before teaching how to do arithmetic. Young children need to learn arithmetic. Advanced children need to understand the concepts behind it but they do not need to learn that in elementary school. There has always been a large group of students who never get the concepts behind math or critical thinking, but, they all need to know the basics for financial survival in our modern world.
How could Trump and his team make such a glaring mistake?
Blinded by his willingness to help. There’s always a catch.
If it seems to good to be true it usually is.
What makes you think they made a mistake?
Might they have wanted this debate prior to inauguration day and issuing Day 1 Executive Orders?
How do you start a debate?
Do you say something intentionally inflammatory to get the fire started?
“Do you say something intentionally inflammatory to get the fire started?”
No, but that seems to be your method, along with personal insults.
If President Trump’s companies DON’T employ H1-B visa holders but instead H2-B, as Sundance contends …
… Isn’t it kinda important that Don Jr or Wilbur Ross or some other trusted advisor caution the Big Guy to speak accurately in public, given the propensity for the issue to ignite firestorms?
If it’s true that “I’m certain he knows the difference”, as one commenter stated,
… then ditto?
What am I missing?
Q: Given all the unholy complexities that Trump has successfully navigated to arrive at where he is now, is it plausible to believe Trump does not (or did not) realize the distinction between H1B and H2B visas?
Just asking.
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No. And who knows what he actually may have said. He’s not a lawyer and he doesn’t typically talk using precise language, let alone legal citations. Could have been “HB”. Or something else vague.
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oh, I dunno
what do you think?
I didn’t really opine in either direction
all I know is there’s a public relations uproar over the matter in the press, big enough it’s warranted 2 articles so far at Treehouse
Considering President Trump is about to take office within a matter of days, it somehow is understandable that his thoughts are more complex than the migrants working at his establishment. Fact is, a person(s) does that for him now.
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Isn’t it kinda important that Don Jr or Wilbur Ross or some other trusted advisor caution the Big Guy to speak accurately in public, given the propensity for the issue to ignite firestorms?
No. “Firestorms” are a way to bring issues into the public discourse, get people to air out their opinions, force public education about them, and gather information and bargaining power for future problem-solving and negotiations.
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astute, counsel
thx
quote I’ve seen is:
“America doesn’t MAKE anything anymore …”
“… America makes pizzas and pole dancers”
Here is an interesting deep-dive into the H-1B data by Robert Sterling:
https://x.com/tombszabo/status/1873390193669177751
And that tweet does not explain why or how the charted data is incorrect. Plus it sounds like the writer is trying to pronounce an excuse for the data and/or what it shows.
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Need a better URL. This link goes to no “deep dive”, only a citation-less paragraph on the twatx saying not much.
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Crap, thank you — copy/paste failure: here is the correct link:
https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1873175460752019844
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Thanks.
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This reference goes nowhere near the total analysis Mr. Sterling did on this subject. The entire analysis was referred to somewhere earlier in these comments.
I am not an X user but thanks to Sundance have learned how to access specific users.
Just FYI, you can see the charts and commentary here. It’s quite extensive.
https://xcancel.com/RobertMSterling
Drones Spray ‘Self-Spreading’ COVID-19 Vaccine for ‘Large-Area Inoculation of Humans’ in ‘DEFUSE’ EcoHealth/DARPA Project
https://jonfleetwood.substack.com/p/drones-to-spray-self-spreading-covid
makes ya wonder about all those drones in NJ.
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Nonsense and paranoia. That is not to say that DARPA might not be researching what to do were we to be attacked with serious bioweapons from an enemy country at some time in the future. Or that here or there some covidiot local governments or private agencies didn’t spray e.g. empty stadiums with chlorox or whatever from the air to kill viruses during the plandemic. Or that the DOD isn’t investing in drone research for all kinds of uses (it is).
But the U.S. government is not spraying the population with covid or self-spreading covid vaccines.
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I just watched a spraying operation like that on TV today
All the military soldiers stationed at Fort Knox keeled over unconscious
The planes doing the spraying were flown by an attractive blonde and fellow female pilots called Pu$$y Galore’s Flying Circus
What does this have to do with the original topic of H1B visas?
According to the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, the H-1 visa was created for “an alien having a residence in a foreign country which he has no intention of abandoning who is of distinguished merit and ability and who is coming temporarily to the United States to perform temporary services of an exceptional nature requiring such merit and ability.”The visa was called an H-1 visa because it had been made into law by section 101(15)(H)(1) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.
The 1952 Act was changed by the Immigration Act of 1990 and other Acts in subsequent years. It’s interesting that the original language quoted above is hardly being used today. The foreign outsourcing of our manufacturing and other industries is what brought in these visa changes in 1990 and later. Skilled people with years of experience and training found themselves on the unemployment line seeking new jobs in unrelated fields, many of which did not need specialized skills. So we ended up with a drain that Silicon Valley and their lobbyists took advantage of with the Congress. We did this to ourselves with the years of outsourcing our industries. And the H1B program became a way to bring in cheaper labor.
President Trump was given a mandate to deport ALL illegal immigrants out of this country…period.
Criminals first and then the rest.
Then, he talked about letting high caliber people come in legally.
We were told this is our country and government…not theirs…including all elites.
All of a sudden, we’re talking about compromise for H1B visas.
The elites are talking but what about the voters who want no part of this.
I read where California farm workers are going to be allowed to stay.
President Trumps talking about working a deal for the Dreamers to stay.
What was the mandate for? What were the promises for?
Are we still going to be paying for benefits, healthcare, education for these masses to stay?
Why did we even go through this exercise?
Does anyone know?
How did we fall so far so fast?
“He told us”
Sincere, snark free, questions.. ..
In your opinion, “Us” refersred to who?
Where did your opinion come from? Someone else you’ve decided to trust so you didn’t personally go to the primary source ie Elons conversation thread and take into account his long established conversation/interaction style on his personal account before forming YOUR own opinion
or deciding to NOT form any opinion at all until later…
which could be never?
Fwiw, especially during vicious psywars like this one, its survival savvy to remember that both foes and those who are seen as friends may want the power to tell YOU what to think about things rather than helping you to learn how to unemotionally research, analyze and think for yourself.
Notice how President Trump typically uses humor which triggers a Light Hearted laughter reaction when speaking about something as opposed to those who words that typically trigger Dark Hearted emotions that has the same effect on the brain as booze ie these “toxic” emotions immediately impair the part of the brain that does logical analysis of new data?
Notice how President Trump often offers real questions rather?
Notice those who instead give answers and who insists that the answer they’ve given you is the only correct answer ie theres no need to think about this just repeat this answer and you’ll be correct, trust me?
Notice how President Trump tends to speak for himself when he gives an opinion?
Notice those who instead claim to be speaking for a huge group when giving their opinion; a group, like MAGA voters, they have no actual authority to speak for?
Notice how President Trump encourages people to take a “wait and see” attitude when “fighting” erupts?
Notice those who instead use their influence to whip people into a violent vigilante frenzy?
Bottom line, President Trump is THE person I turn to when I want a guide who will no me safely navigate my way through a PsyWar Storm. And I evaluate everyone else’s guidance, ESPECIALLY those who claim to be a trustworthy friend, by how closely their approach resembles President Trumps. Or doesn’t.
❤ when each of us looks back and reflects on this jorney, hopefully, despite the storms, it is viewed as a very, very bon voyage
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”Us” refers to those of us who religiously listened to and followed every rally and speech that he gave.
“What do we mean when we say that first of all we seek liberty? I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon constitutions, upon laws, and upon courts. These are false hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it. And what is this liberty which must lie in the hearts of men and women? It is not the ruthless, the unbridled will; it is not freedom to do as one likes. That is the denial of liberty, and leads straight to its overthrow. A society in which men recognize no check upon their freedom soon becomes a society where freedom is the possession of only a savage few; as we have learned to our sorrow.”
– P. 190, The Spirit of Liberty (1944).
USAID has school programs in India. I wonder if we set up and financed those tech schools that feed the H1b pipeline? I am going to guess YES. USAID did the same thing when we off shored our textile industry to central America. They are awful helpful.
Education | India | Archive – U.S. Agency for International Development
An other analysis of the H1B issue swirling around the media and DC. The author does make the mistake of saying PTrump uses H1B in his properties so she did not get the update on that. A good article non the less.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/12/the_capital_is_like_em_brigadoon_em.html