When I read the New York Post article proclaiming that President Trump supports the fraudulent system known as H1B visa hiring, I knew something was amiss because we previously looked at Trump’s various business hires and use of the visa process.
Apparently, the NY Post called President Trump to get him to weigh in on the controversial subject that has been triggered by Elon Musk saying he would “go to war on this issue” to maintain the H1B visa system -and subsequent foreign employment for tech skilled workers- his various companies depend upon.
Here’s the topline takeaway from the article that has triggered many:
(NY POST) President-elect Trump told The Post Saturday he supports immigration visas for highly skilled workers, appearing to side with Elon Musk in the roiling intra-MAGA debate on the issue.
“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them,” Trump said by phone, referring to the H-1B program, which permits companies to hire foreign workers in specialty occupations.
“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” added Trump, who restricted access to foreign worker visas in his first administration and has been critical of the program in the past. (more)
However, if you go to the Dept of Labor website, search or download the database of H1B employment, specifically filtering to Trump’s various companies, what you will discover is that Trump Inc doesn’t use the H1B visa system at all. [Check for Yourself Here]
How does this reconcile? Well, having previously looked at the visa use by President Trump in his various companies {SEE HERE}, I can confidently assert (Occam’s Razor) that within the interview President Trump conflated H2B temporary worker visas, which he does use in his service industry, with H1B visas which he does not use.
The H-1B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as workers in specialty occupations of distinguished merit and ability. At least that was the intent of the program before it was abused by companies who saw the opportunity to avoid domestic market wages and find alternative cheap sources of skilled labor in the tech sector. That abusive ‘labor diversion’ process has now expanded to find H1B claims in other sectors. So much so, there are now a myriad of companies requesting H1B status employees for their various interests.
The H2B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as “temporary workers” mostly in the service industry where extreme seasonal fluctuations in business make it challenging to hire from a very limited market base. H2B workers are found in hotels, resorts, restaurants and service companies anywhere you find big seasonal shifts in service businesses, like Trump resorts.
As previously noted, Does the word “Snowbird” ring a bell? Florida has a “tourist season” which runs from (generally speaking) just after Thanksgiving to Easter annually. January, February and March are the peak. The first Monday in February is the absolute peak as almost every time-share and hotel unit flips that week.
The volume of work within the service and hospitality industry doubles during the tourist season, and those businesses who hire within the general labor market struggle to increase their labor in relationship to the increase in business. In addition, local workers looking for employment are reluctant to take temporary or “seasonal” jobs, and prefer longer term -more stable- employment.
Many businesses need to double, or in some cases triple, their workforce in order to meet the business demand. As a consequence, many companies, including Trump owned resorts, have used H-2B visa workers to fill the gap between large fluctuations in business and the needed staffing shortfalls. From my own experience, many of the workers are students from South America (Argentina, Brazil, etc) who take the seasonal jobs Nov/Dec – March/April between their college seasons – and then return home.
Bottom line – President Trump is referencing H2B visas which he does use, and not H1B visas which he does not use. Whether President Trump conflated the issue, or whether the Murdoch owned New York Post intentionally constructed their questioning to create a clickbait controversy, is entirely up to the reader to determine. I think it’s likely a combination.
♦ All of that said, the issue of H1B replacement workers displacing American workers is not going away regardless of how uncomfortable it makes the Silicon Valley crowd. Many highly skilled Americans have been impacted by the issue of H1B replacement, and the inherent fraud within the special interest employment system is a critical issue for a large percentage of the MAGA base.
In fact, for context you might remember the 2017 Trump suspension of visas from Muslim countries. In response to that suspension, the state of Washington filed a lawsuit against President Trump seeking an injunction to continue the visas. The main subject of their opposition was the financial impact to Microsoft and the H1B visa use.
BYRON YORK, 2017 – “Why is Washington State mounting such a vigorous challenge to President Trump’s executive order temporarily suspending non-American entry from seven terrorism-plagued countries? Of course there are several lawsuits against the president, and there are lots of motives among the various litigants. But Washington State’s is the suit that stopped the order, at least temporarily. And a look at the state’s case suggests that, behind high-minded rhetoric about religious liberty and constitutional protections, there is a lot of money at stake.
Judging by the briefs filed by Washington State, as well as statements made by its representatives, some of the state’s top priorities in challenging Trump are: 1) To ensure an uninterrupted supply of relatively low-wage H-1B foreign workers for Microsoft and other state businesses; 2) To ensure a continuing flow of high-tuition-paying foreign student visa holders; and 3) To preserve the flow of tax revenues that results from those and other sources.
[…] Washington State argued that its residents have suffered from the Trump order, or might suffer in the future, because some of the state’s biggest businesses rely on H-1B visas, which are often used to bring foreign workers to U.S. companies at lower wages than their American counterparts.
“The technology industry relies heavily on the H-1B visa program,” the Washington State lawsuit said. “Microsoft, a corporation headquartered in Redmond, Washington, is the state’s top employer of high-tech — or H-1B visa holders and employs nearly 5,000 people through the program. Other Washington-based companies, including Amazon, Expedia, and Starbucks, employ thousands of H-1B visa holders.” (link)
Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks, Elon Musk (with his influencers) and the tribe in/around Silicon Valley, have placed their flag of influence on this H1B hill. They are willing to do whatever it takes to retain this system, much to the angst of the MAGA supporters who have been victimized by it.
When a system has been so thoroughly corrupted as to now create harm, there should not be a great deal of controversy in suspending that system until the market can correct itself. However, losing control of the H1B visa system is viewed by the Silicon Valley tech group as a non-starter position.
♦ It will be interesting to watch how Silicon Valley’s ally, JD Vance – a political entity wrapped in the cover of Hillbilly values, reacts to this H1B visa and immigration debate.
As we watch the arguments inside the H1B debate, it is worth remembering the group who promoted, pushed and ultimately influenced the JD Vance nomination consisted of: Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Ackman, David Sacks, Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg and of course, Vivek Ramaswamy. On the inside of the Trump orbit, the network had Donald Trump Jr also promoting JD Vance.
JD Vance was then invited to be an attendee at the June 6th San Francisco fundraiser for President Trump, hosted by Sacks and Palihapitiya, and that’s likely when the first one-on-one running mate discussion between President Trump and Senator Vance took place.
Usha Chilukuri Vance, the wife of Ohio Senator J.D. Vance, quit her job as a corporate litigator at DNC-affiliated Munger, Tolles & Olson, within minutes of hearing that JD had been selected as President Trump’s Vice-President nominee and running mate. Usha Chilukuri-Vance worked in Washington DC for the firm.
The American workers who Silicon Valley advocate for replacing with foreign workers, are the proverbial “Saxons, with nothing to lose.”
The Big Tech group may not have initiated the background; in fact, the offshoring and replacement cycle was started many years before. However, when you strip a group of Americans of their value, label them, ostracize them, ridicule them, belittle them and then denigrate them for failing to support your abuse, think “rust belt”, you create a group of Americans with nothing left to lose.
Calling people “racist” and “nativist” who voted for President Trump specifically on this issue is not going to work. Musk et al should be very aware that this H1B debate is targeting the “nothing left to lose” American team.
If they think their immigration position is both zero-sum and survivable, think again. There is much for them to lose. The true zero-sum position is already held by a much bigger tribe of American workers who truly do have nothing left to lose.
Silicon Valley ends up fighting an army that will never concede because they have already been stripped of everything they hold dear.
Beware the wrath of the angry Saxon. This immigration topic is Musk, Ramaswamy and Sacks’ first trip into what they call ‘flyover country.’ They are experiencing strong MAGA pushback, something very new and uncomfortable for them, likely for the first time; hence, their emotional reactions.
We understand the UniParty is smiling as they see us debating this issue; however, if Making America Great Again doesn’t benefit working Americans, then what exactly is the point.
Clusterfark…
60 % say basta!!!! https://www.infowars.com/posts/60-of-americans-say-no-more-h-1b-visas
This latest H-1B kerfuffle/issue is very solvable. I look to our nation’s past for guidance. In the late 50s, the Soviets shocked the world and briefly surpassed our space program as evidenced by launching Sputnik into Earth’s orbit (a first ever). In response, we Americans didn’t say lets import a bunch of Indians and other foreigners to fix the “problem.” No, we looked inward and reinvigorated our school systems’ dedication to EMPHASIZING science and math. We also prioritized the Space Program under JFK (a few year after Sputnik) to be the first nation send a man to the moon within 10 years.
PDJT launched Space Force in his first term and can now add another major priority to his second term which is fixing the shortage of skilled American citizens ready, willing and able to successfully work in our Tech Industry. This issue is very fixable using American citizens, not immigrants. And yes, certain amounts of immigrant tech labor is fine; just needs to be secondary to American born tech talent.
Psy-op to tear the transition apart. And it seems to be working. Thought this group would see that.
Not psy-ops real and problematic.
Trump stepped into it. He needs to fix this…
We need to not give in to the psyop and hold our ground.
“Calling people “racist” and “nativist” who voted for President Trump specifically on this issue is not going to work. Musk et al should be very aware that this H1B debate is targeting the “nothing left to lose” American team.
If they think their immigration position is both zero-sum and survivable, think again. There is much for them to lose. The true zero-sum position is already held by a much bigger tribe of American workers who truly do have nothing left to lose.
Silicon Valley ends up fighting an army that will never concede because they have already been stripped of everything they hold dear.
Beware the wrath of the angry Saxon. This immigration topic is Musk, Ramaswamy and Sacks’ first trip into what they call ‘flyover country.’ They are experiencing strong MAGA pushback, something very new and uncomfortable for them, likely for the first time; hence, their emotional reactions.”
They fear losing what they deem to be an inalienable right, which it is not.
Why immigration?
Why can’t they “code” from India or wherever?
Some specifications require the ‘code’ not leave the US borders.
in which case no foreigner should work on it, including foreigners “born here” who are “American”.
How long does a family of rats have to live and breed in an aquarium before the magic dirt of the aquarium spontaneously turns the rats into goldfish?
Common sense would dictate that an
American citizen should be writing it then.
A very good question!
That’s just as bad for the long-term health of a company. My husband’s company does this (fires Americans routinely and sends entire departments to India or South America) and it’s a complete CF. My husband spends most of his time now cleaning up the mistakes of the Indian team that’s replaced his IS-based contractor assets, the IT department barely functions, and HR, now based in Argentina, takes weeks to address issues that previously were handled in the same day.
I don’t believe you because companies like Amazon wouldn’t hire foreign workers at all, for instance, in customer service, if this weren’t working for them at least financially and if the customers were miserable and complaining. I’ve called Amazon CS on numerous occasions where I’ve gotten somebody who’s English I can barely understand, but who did things quite competently in writing.
Earlier, I routinely got blacks (obvious from their accents) Most (not al!) were dumb as dirt and I’d hang up and redial until I got somebody that sounded halfway smart. It was a real hassle for years. Lately, I haven’t had that problem. I get Indian accents all the time and only one of them (recently) was anywhere near stupid.
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Customer satisfaction is no longer a consideration.
Oh, believe me, we DO complain. But they don’t care.
I hate to use Amazon at all, but sometimes they are the only option- for example now when I’m in a hand cast for the month (5 days left) and can’t drive.
Yup.
I do believe you because I have seen certain contracted professional services that were previously done in the US given to in-house Mexicans and the Mexicans keep making mistakes that have to be cleaned up by U.S. personnel. It’s not personal, the Mexican personnel are great people and have similar values, but they just lack an attention to detail. Why is this? More difficult to manage from afar? Different education and training? Is it really cultural? Something is consistently different.
If it’s true that they pay cartel dues out of every paycheck they have job security more than just the government DEI requirements.
They can, but the unstated goal to date is to long term DRIVE DOWN THE COST OF HIRING AMERICANS. The goal is to keep Main Street poor. We willl own nothing and be forced to be happy about it. Musk and Vivek are MINOs…….. MAGA in Name Only
MINO !
Great tag !
No.
They just don’t like being undercut by unfair labor practices.
It’s all according to whose ox gets gored isn’t it?
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It’s not just the nothing left to lose folks.
It’s also the rest of us who are damn tired and
ready to go tribal on these bastards because
they have created a crooked system that caused
our brothers and sisters, fellow countrymen to
have nothing left to lose.
he sold out to it.
extremely disappointing.
did you EVEN read SunDance article above???? Extremely disappointing to see so many here simple give up. If you have not learned WHO Donald John Trump is after 10 years on the political scene then you don’t know jack. He will not sell out Americans. I would lay my life on that
Don’t confuse giving up with being a paid influencer.
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Nice try, Troll. There are many of you who have been dispatched to the Treehouse to inundate the comment section with lies.
At least you didn’t use the tells of “Donald” “Don” or “Trumpsters”.
Their tells are easy to spot.
“Disappointing” is their favorite word.
“Demoralizing” is the truthful word.
Agree . I am approaching this issue as totally ignorant ,learning about specifics in the last few days . Lena Renconvich has an article on American Thinker this morning that compares H-1B visas to the O-1A program ; if her information is accurate about purpose what is the fuss all about ? Either Elon / Vivek are as ignorant as I or there is an issue that needs more sunlight ( O-1A is specifically for those that excel in science, education , athletics , etc ) . Thank you Sundance for the continued education on this topic .
The purpose of the H1B is for companies to be able to bring in foreign help (temporarily) for positions where they cannot find anyone locally who can perform the job. And they are “required” to pay the same salary as they would the local person, i.e., the market rate.
Companies are routinely doing neither. When you lay off local staff that are already employed so you can give the work to H1B’s, you’re cheating. And the reason you’re cheating is because an H1B will work for a fraction of what local employees cost. The system is totally corrupt because enforcement of the rules is problematic. That’s why the answer is to tariff every H1B to ensure their salary meets or exceeds local salaries for the same job. Not what you pay to the firm the H1B works for but what you pay the H1B.
President Trump has not stepped in anything. He hasn’t even been inaugurated yet.
President Trump surrounded himself with a very diverse coalition consisting of strong willed, powerful, wealthy people during his campaign. Many of those people (like Elon the corporate welfare queen) have a habit of running their mouths. Let them. They aren’t making policy.
President Trump is “The Decider.” I have every confidence that, come Inauguration Day, our President will come out swinging on behalf of MAGA.
There will be lots of fireworks. Bring it on. Enjoy the show.
Well of course it’s a psyop.
The enemy saw a misspeak that they could take advantage of, and they rushed to do so.
Respectfully disagree Ed. To me it seems more like the technocrats who’s interests temporarily aligned with MAGA have overplayed their hand. The data is startling (see this thread by Robert Sterling: https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1873174556606652425 ). My $0.02 is that they have taken this position based on their self-perceived ability to influence POTUS Trump toward preservation of their current practices. This is to the detriment of Americans, and thus, they are having a freakout as they realize that WE THE PEOPLE are on to them. We have voted for (among other things) an end to the nonsense of American workers training their Indian replacements. Musk (and by extension, Vivek et al) hides behind “meritocracy” but the H1b worker saves them tons of money. American advancement is not going to grind to a halt if we stop importing people who have the technical skill to grind through code.
Agree 100% Cletus – and similar (not identical) situation is happening in Canada!! I don’t mean to hijack
the topic but there is definitely something amiss?
The angle used here is to use the temporary student visa system. It is almost as tho’ the WEF embedded
types (Trudeau etc) have gone thru’ the immigration/asylum/student laws of both our countries looking for loophole opportunities to ‘legally’ increase our populations?
When Trudeau was elected in 2015 our pop. was 35 million and today it is 41 million.
WOW!
There is an article over at Revolver News that reports on the other visa scam: The F-1 student visa.
The thread and charts posted at the referenced X.com account of RobertMStering is not only startling, but as SD says, it’s the most “non-pretending” data set I’ve seen referenced in the discussion since Vivek/Musk decided to attempt to control the narrative. Thanks for the $0.02 Mr. Cletus.
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Dang, I really wanted to see this, but the link won’t work when the x.com is modified, and when it does work, it doesn’t show the mentioned charts.
And after the last two days I am reconsidering joining X!
Also, no one wants to address the elephant in the room; the Marxist ideology that has taken root in our schools, and is keeping our students from advancing and developing.
Interesting info
For those without a Xwitter account:
https://nitter.poast.org/RobertMSterling/status/1873174556606652425?
Wish this RobertMSterling thread had a CTH thread of its own. There is a crapload of shocking information in those graphs.
Actually, I never bought into Vivek at all, and while it was ‘nice’ of Elon to allow some semblance of ‘free speech’ on X, I can never unsee his self-portrayal in a Baphomet costume nor unread his business intent with ‘neurallink’.
Further, I am unable to unsee the picture that Sundance used in his article of Musk sitting on a couch in pink garb with a battalion of HB-1 imports standing behind him like ducks in a row in white tee-shirts and briefs. It was incredibly creepy looking.
I also think that in this case, the psychological profiles of Musk, Vivek, etc. made them easy dupes, as the IC also could predict their reactions to MAGA outrage to the period. Accurate? Maybe, but I would put nothing past the resources of the IC, and their ability to influence/guide the electronic public square…
Stop the gaslighting. No “psy-op” forced Elon to call Americans “retarded,” “subtarded,” and “racist.” No “psy-op” forced Elon to make an unhinged rant Twitter full of curse words and saying he’ll go to war for his foreign H1B labor. No “psy-op” forced Vivek to join in with insults calling Americans too mediocre to be employed. This is 100% Elon and Vivek’s fault. We do see them and are correctly assigning the blame where it belongs.
Bravo, CG!
Elon going full MAGA never truly made sense.
He’s always been sketchy as hell.
When I first saw him campaigning, Elon made it obvious that he was “Dark MAGA,” which I never understood, but other people found it “cool.”
They hurt our feelings? 😒
I thought we were above that!
They didn’t hurt my feelings or surprise me, but they did show their cards.
We MAGA champions, along with our courageous President, and Sundance, need to – emphasis: need to – keep our heads while the Deep State is dancing a victory dance.
A two-year old – or adolescent tantrum – cannot throw us off our game.
We are coming for them, the Deep State. We need to stick together even with our distrust of each other and prejudices.
American workers first, plus excellent workers, plus needed workers. We can sort this out together if we keep our heads. Remember who the enemy truly is and don’t let easily recognized Alinsky tactics divide us.
This brouhaha might turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
End abuse of all workers in the USA.
End the practice of splitting off hatreds and desire for vengeance and putting that venom into needed others.
End success of Alinsky tactics in the MAGA movement.
Seems that the we have stuck together. We’re the army standing in front of the oligarchs with a firm “No!”
Go to gateway pundit and read the latest.
You might change your view.
Strange that you “thought this group” should see things only as you do. This situation is not tearing the transition apart. Musk and Vivek have only the power that President Trump is willing to give them, and their roles in the Administration don’t concern immigration and visas.
Many of us in “this group” don’t imagine the end of the world every time a problem occurs.
AMEN … Donald Trump is PRESIDENT. These people are “advisors” and he listens, but rarely changes his original thoughts. Donald Trump has been America First his entire life. Does anyone here honestly think he could change his mind because two people with big egos would want it? Donald Trump has a huge ego, he knows about egos, he knows how to manage expectations.
If Musk and Ramy wanna leave …….so be it. They DO NOT have ANY power. Their jobs are to look for waste….period. Bring it to the bosses attention and HE WILL DECIDE.
A big thank-you once again to SD – actually digging for the facts and doing real reporting.
Found this too late to edit the post.
I wondered, “how many visa categories does the US offer?” and asked the Bing A.I. system that is free along with a Bing search.
The answer: 185.
185 categories of immigration visas that our government gives to favor foreigners over American Citizens.
Wow.
Our congresscritters have worked with their paymasters (lobbyists) and the America-hating “State Department” to create 185 ways for foreigners to get priority over American Citizens.
The psy op is telling us we can’t call out Musk and Sacks or we are falling for a psy op.
I see that, I don’t care what any group thinks.
The conservatives are too dense to figure these things out
the Democrats stick together like glue and get what they want.
The conservatives are full of self-righteousness and self-importance, always shoot themselves in a firing circle. They never learn and never will
Beyond stupid.
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🙄 Well shucks, here you are spreading Alinsky’s insults.
You’re to funny. This is exactly what MAGA is against. Now that it’s been brought to everyones attention, Front and Center, the issue can be resolved. The billionaire welfare recipients want to complain? Let them. Just shows how dependent they are on welfare and cheap labor. They are the problem. Makes me wonder if Trump purposely put them in this position to magnify their slavery efforts.
If you are correct, it would seem Elon and Vivek fired the first shots, that’s weird.
50 years of lies and betrayal regarding immigration, trade, monetary and industrial policy. This fight didn’t start yesterday it’s just come to a head.
Oh I see it now.
So musk never said, maga peasants in flyover country go f your faces !
Although he has yet to deny saying such………
He also definitely did not ban Laura Loomer, but a lowly h1b tech did…..
Yes, it all makes sense now.
Do I really need to add, SARC.
Seems more like a reasonable debate to have than a psy-op.
God is weaving his way in and out of all that goes on. I pray all the twists and turns expose all the wolves in sheep’s clothing surrounding Trump as soon as possible. We simply cannot survive if this evil continues……
WISDOM
DISCERNMENT of INFORMATION
and
PERSEVERANCE to ACCOMPLISH OUR DUTY to CORRECT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC that Was BEQUEATHED
to U.S.
So i PRAY
In Jesus’ Name, Amen!
Thank you Sundance. As a STEM professional unable to compete with H1B visa holders, and thus, working in a very different field from my credentialing, I appreciate your analysis concluding with ‘nothing left to lose’, because it’s so correct.
“We will have two simple rules when it comes to this massive rebuilding effort, buy American and hire American.”
President Donald J. Trump
April 18, 2017
Promise “made”…
Happening in Arizona NOW . . . read what’s behind the lawsuit and know this situation will soon be everywhere.
TSMC is currently being sued by a group of Arizona workers who allege the Taiwanese company illegally discriminates against American citizens through policies designed to attract employees who are of Chinese or Taiwanese descent, with the company’s foreign workers allegedly resorting to “verbal abuse, gaslighting, isolation, and humiliation,” in order to compel American workers to quit.
Ah yes, accounting the job Americans just won’t do. *eyeroll*/ sarc
Thank you for posting this.
The other CTH article on H1B now up to 2389 reader comments:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/12/28/a-highly-toxic-silicon-valley-meltdown-over-well-documented-h1b-visa-fraud-explodes/
1. It is true that skilled immigrants fill the deficit in skilled Americans due to education, training, and health and work ethic deficiencies in America associated with 60 years of socialist cultural degradations and loss of industry that accelerated over 40 years ago.
2. It is also true that elites exploit immigration as a supply of below-market-rate near-slavery.
This is one reason America and the EU are being flooded with immigration.
3. Also true that elites exploit everyone and everything. Including you and me, if we are not top-level elites “in the club” (re – George Carlin).
The Salary-Exempt corporate employee model is designed to coerce debt-serfs to accept gross overload and over-long hours, overworked until failure to be replaced with the next galley slave.
Space-X is an exemplar of this model. Elon “F* YOURSELF IN THE FACE” selects the Space-X galley slaves to be young and strong enough to hold up long enough to achieve outlandish goals, but this won’t last unless he can rotate replacements in over time as they get older and burn out.
4. This post will be buried in the reader comments blizzard, as all are. What good is posting, then? To feed Big Brother’s data collection?
Thank you for your comments –
I for one find I learn so much from reading comments!
Great post. I worked ‘salary-exempt’ many years ago and during projects related to onboarding new clients could put in 6 weeks worth of free labor for my company in less than a year. Besides being a debt serf because of my own student loans, the situation was also like a resource debt the company would take on — that the employees would then pay. It was justified as a ‘short term situation’ but it cycled repeatedly.
I read it, and I agree completely.
Maybe, if we can bring both heat and light to the debate and the abuse; we can TOGETHER protect American workers, cement a policy of American workers first, and also protect all excellent workers who come to our country – and this includes the necessary seasonal workers the President Trump uses.
This is the promise and truth of America. Hope and the possibility of a good life for oneself and one’s family.
Vigorous debate and angers being aired is essential. The number of people commenting is creating a greater MAGA movement. At the same time we can recognize the serpents’ agents who are trying to permanently divide us — just like in every election.
We can debate. We can argue. We can bear the heat, sometimes scorching, of the moment. And we can live with the possible in the present for eventual victory. Success might also necessitate some forgiveness if truth and justice can prevail.
President Trump is our model. Fight, fight, fight. Don’t let them divide “us”, US.
Perfect summation!
All workers foreign and domestic are exploited by multinational conglomerates whose CEOs and lawyers are paid millions of dollars to do whatever it takes to use us or remove us as the bottom line dictates.
And #4 may be Musk’s whole point – to trigger, collect, categorize and EXPLOIT us.
“Sniff it all, collect it all, know it all, process it all, exploit it all” (the NSA mantra)
My only question, What does Musk and his tech buddies have planned for us? Hmmm.
“then what exactly is the point.”
This is the real existential question.
Will the MAGA movement become diluted and compromised to the extent that it loses long term solidarity?
MAGA is supposed to represent a set of values and objectives that are intended to be implemented in real life. Not just remain rhetoric and talking points once in power.
Accepting some compromises is inevitable given the political and economic landscape. But where are the red lines that can’t be crossed drawn?
A lot of mixed signals till now. But we shall have to see how this unfolds once Trump is in office.
“The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer.”
President Donald J. Trump
Inaugural address
January 20, 2017
Ok, I get that their is abuse of h1b.
And I’m confident the Mitch McConnell, the Murdocks n their ilk are using this as a means to destroy MAGA similar to the Tea Party.
However, I would never be an MIT or CalTech valedictorian n neither would 99% of the US educated engineers. So 1% top h1b engineers knock over the engineering brickwalls which results in hiring 10 US engineers, 20 techs, 1K construction jobs n 1.5K factory jobs. IMHO – That’s America First!
When I see vids of SpaceX launches I see Americans. I doubt any h1b built the chopsticks or work to build, setup or maintain the Borings machines.
If I had Elon’s ear I’d ask him to reveal the makeup of his SpaceX, Tesla and/or X/Twitter employees.
You can view the make-up of Tesla and other companies here. As you can see, Elon is paying a great many foreign workers below market wages. In a fair system, these are jobs that would have gone to Americans at market rate wages. This is why Elon has declared that he is going to war to preserve his cheap foreign labor.
https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=tesla&job&city&year=all+years
Not just cheap, but amenable to overwork.
SpaceX is cracking the whip to drive 100 hour work weeks. That’s how it is achieving amazing things in amazingly short timeframes.
Elites love immigration for more than one reason.
Individual debt is another lever. Someone who loses everything if they lose their job is a debt-serf who can be overworked. (Also can be coerced to accept unethical medical experimentation, i.e. genetic manipulation injections that are not demonstrated safe, effective, or necessary – that’s what was exploited by US biowarfare democide 2021-present, according to some.)
What you hear from DOGE is manic hubris from prospering by these manipulations. They *apparently* think they can bring this model to coerce fear and overwork in government. Not gonna happen. What WILL happen is disruption, spread far and wide because the whole economy is so dependent on government spending now. That seems to be the *real* purpose of DOGE.
Either way it’s the taxpayers ox getting tired once again.
While I think it’s an excellent idea in principle to shake things up and start to weed out the laxy, entitled, overpaid DC swamp critters, after Mysk, Ramaswamy and company tipped their hand as to what they really think of Americans we should at least slow down and proceed with extreme caution.
BTW, Elon has been meddling in Germany’s politics lately too.
Thank you for that information.
The fundamental principles involved here is equality before the law and the rule of law. Native born Americans have every right to expect adherence to the rule of law by their government, which, according to the law, prioritizes the interests of the native born citizen over any alien person. These principles have become subverted by the confused manner in which civil rights laws confers special extra-legal status to every other category of persons, excepting white men. This blatant and completely illegal discrimination has been allowed for so long that many people, like Musk and Ramaswamy, are committed to it’s continuance. Which is a problem for Trump and MAGA. If Trump’s DOGE team can’t even objectively evaluate the illegitimacy of the H1B Visa issue, then how the heck will they properly evaluate any other malign government program for elimination? And, frankly, it’s disheartening and sickening to see the invectives and racial calumny spewed by Trump’s people in such a knee-jerk manner. Native born Americans who claim their legitimate rights over non-native aliens are not driven by racial animus.
I haven’t heard any “invectives” or “racial calumny” coming from anyone here in Trump’s camp. Unless maybe you think sticking up for one’s own race equals “invectives or calumny”?
I believe he is talking about Elon and Vivek.
Yep
“racial calumny spewed by Trump’s people”
I seems like only a week ago that it was Hillery and Barak that were calling me a racist retard.
I was just thinking the same thing. Why would we MAGA adherents put our trust in the very people who turned on us?
Aren’t there some “tried and true” individuals who are not also globalists with conflicts of interest to analyze and identify the waste of taxpayer dollars on redundant, obsolete and/or dictatorial practices and even entire agencies?
I think DOGE should be spearheaded by new leadership, not by those who disrespect Americans whose government has colluded and continues to collude against them while favoring the globalists.
Dr. Norman Matloff from the University of California, Davis, has studied the issue extensively. His high points:
– the H1B Visa is defacto AGE DISCRIMINATION
– younger workers cost less, and their health care is less
– they are essentially INDENTURED SERVANTS
– they are tied to their employer for 4, 5, 6 years, until they get their Green Card
I have seen employers use the H1B Visa for a Business Manager position – not hi tech – which allowed the defacto Chinese shop to hire a minimally experienced Chinese national- what some would consider racism.
– American techies are just as savvy as Chinese or Indian coders – they just may jump ship in 2 years for a better offer (free market)
On your twitter feed you comment on Elon saying ‘just raise the cost of H1B to a similar level that you would pay for an American and the problem is solved’.
One problem:
Elon and Vivek believe THERE ARE NO SMART AMERICANS to fill the jobs. They will hire the H1B applicants anyway, no matter the cost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps cost was not a reason to hire the H1B people.
They think H1B is an easy method to hire compared to all the landmines in hiring Americans.
They think H1B is easy because the employees are easy to fire, unlike the landmines in firing Americans.
They think H1B are still indentured servants, working 80 hours per week with NO benefits.
The cost of hiring an American can be irrelevant because businesses can pass along the cost to the customer.
Never trust anyone that lost an argument and proposes a ‘fix’.
It’s not like they all of a sudden changed their philosophy of life and beliefs, they are just proposing a new way to do the same thing!
This is the continuing problem with many hyphenated non-native Americans. They do not always think like an American.
Total cost. Including employer contributions to social security/Medicare.
Greedy Billionaires need to squeeze out another 20% profit – and to hire from their own Clan.
This should jog Vance’s brain:
https://youtube.com/shorts/1HtXxpK9su0?si=lO-MhaGJfCjC-tf3
Sean Spicer opinion poll open for voting if you have an x account:
22 hrs or so to go, just over 59K votes:
H1B Visas:
33% Pro, I’m with Elon
67% Con, Bannon is right
59,405 votes • 1 day
Dec 29, 2024 · 1:14 AM UTC
I would have liked to see just a straight poll, pro or con, with out the “personalities” attached.
H1B to teach English in America
https://x.com/ChiefTrumpster/status/1873082696530055322?t=1as3qF1GzvIheLWeWe_-rA&s=19
I’m guessing this translates to teaching English to the children of illegal aliens from a dozen different countries.
The pain of the H1B issue on Americans is deep and far-reaching. Almost everyone has either directly experienced job loss to H1B or knows someone who has. If you managed to stay employed during this upheaval of off-shoring and H1B, then you are still at the disadvantage of working for suppressed wages and competing for housing with H1Bs. Elon and Vivek laughed, insulted, and blamed Americans for this pain, and then told us they are “going to war” for the H1Bs instead of for us, the American worker.
No amount of gaslighting telling us that’s it’s all some “shadowy” psy-op is salvaging this. Pleading for “party unity” with people who despise us because we are obstacles to their infinite foreign indentured service class is not going to salvage this. The damage is done. Elon and Vivek have nobody to blame but themselves.
Well said.
I resent Ramasmarmy trying to use his amateur psychology on me.
Given what I now know about how much federal government work is contracted out to H1B foreigners, I don’t want Elon and Vivek anywhere near the federal work force.
Americans shouldn’t have to worry about losing their jobs because two men who are biased in favor of Indian foreigners decide they aren’t needed.
THIS^100%. I have an unemployed tech husband at management level and he has interviewed for countless jobs. He has impeccable skills with a Masters in Engineering. There is absolutely no reason for him to not get a job…companies have to advertise and interview legally to show they have “tried” to find a qualified US Citizen prior to hiring an H1B. We all know what is going on here. I watch it play out routinely with my husband. And from the inside. I am a recruiter in the accounting world. Most of the stuff is now outsourced to the Indian compliance desk. More and more I see “referrals” come in GC or Visa Indian referrals that are getting hired. So I see and live it daily. Having Elon and Vivek call us retarded and to go F yourself hit me very hard this week. Until I see some type of response from DJT I will continue to feel very upset. It will hurt even more to see Elon and/or Vivek living it up at Mara Largo on New Year’s…I truly hope someone in MAGA world will advise DJT against that visual….
What is GC from your statement “…I see referrals come in GC or Visa referrals that are getting hired”?
Green Cards. People who have gotten GC’s via our firm or current Visa holders working there. They ALWAYS get priority consideration for hiring. Started noticing this about a year ago and with all this happening over the past week it is all coming into place. They get priority hiring over US citizens…
By the way, Kirk and Citizens Free Press are shilling for Elon. Dodgy.
They all have gotten $ from Elon. TPA has gotten a BOATLOAD from Elon….and I would expect Thiel…
Kirk, who suppoorted DeSantis, is a putz, so there is that.
Is an Elegy a kind of a dress?
Anyone read The Art of the Deal?
”The Art of the Deal?”
You ARE absolutely right !
Let HIM, first, be sworn in and, then…’eat the elephant(s) one bite at a time’ !
This.
In the meantime, pray that God gives him the wisdom to deal with this situation and hundreds more. Can you even imagine the burden? To handle a single day will be challenging, but seeing the big picture and knowing how to best navigate it and who to trust to help you…..impossible without God’s help.🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I dare write that God gave him the wisdom many-many decades ago, when he (and some friends) decided, that the purpose of his life had to be to save America (and the World), by becoming President of USA. That’s why he followed a way of life, by which he became a household name all over the States. When 2015 came, he spent peanuts for his campaign. He was recognizable by eveybody. I believe that he was really annointed to become the new Andrew Jackson, the President who ‘killed the (Second) Bank’…!
There were assassination attempts made against Old Hickory for his opposition to a central national bank. William McKinley was assassinated for precisely this reason.
We understand the UniParty is smiling as they see us debating this issue; however, if Making America Great Again doesn’t benefit working Americans, then what exactly is the point.
Exactly! Thank you, Sundance!
Continued solid work on this important topic, Sundance.
This issue has sussed the underlying H-1B data to the surface. Given how fond the “Tech Bros” have grown of the “nativist” slur, a Saxonist retort would be to rename the H-1B visa as the “Indian Caste System Expansion” visa, since damned if it ain’t.
If we can keep our heads about this issue, bringing a caste system into focus, being emplaced on all workers brought into the American environment by the elites, we are touching essential issues that need to be aired.
Now also bring in that a very large number of former students of so-called American education system do not know the meaning of dedicated hard work; do not know the meaning of low pay and long hours at first as one earns one place; and we might be able to talk to and negotiate with each other.
One’s labor must bring hope for recognition of skills attained and hope for a better life. No discarding after use and abuse.
Americans will not abide a culture based on caste. Keep defining this value.
American know-how and git-er-done attitude, the trademark of our American Constitutional Republic, cannot come from a narcissistic culture either.
Lots of changes and repairs needed on all sides.
No one gets through an engineering degree in the USA without working super hard. We may know lots of lazy kids who don’t care but our STEM people are not those kids.
Interesting to note that in 2016 President Trump was surrounded by those praying for him. This time around he seems to be surrounded with people preying on him. Hold tight President Trump, your base is here to help.
Nice comment.
Nativism is good. Nativism works.
Thanks Sundance!
You were trying to tell us to beware of some of the players supporting Trump.
Seems like Trump is surrounded by many Enemies of the USA. Like Wack a Mole game. Wack one head that pops up and 2 others immediately pop up.
Trump treated Musk like royalty … and was singing his praises. Oh gee, don’t know what a “wise” response is.
The “Enemy is inside the gates”, it seems. What is a correct response to this development? Much prayer and mediation , step back and let GOD lead the way forward? I hope so. 🙂
I was a .Com’er. Indians did the coding while Americans got the shaft. It’s always been that way, they’re cheaper and coding requires time.
This whole thing is just a distraction at this point.
Start with the 40 million illegal invaders and then work on this problem.
There is definitely some good in giving some of these visas for work put the process has been abused and corrupted by government officials.
Those of you acting like the sky is falling right now because of this then at least be consistent and be upset with President Trump as well.
President Trump uses even more unskilled slave labor from other countries.
Trying to swallow a camel but straining at gnats is what this whole thing is.
Start with the 40 million and go from there. Stay focused.
America is perfectly capable of removing the illegal immigrants AND removing all of the H1Bs that arrived via visa fraud AND crafting government policy that protects American workers. Don’t foist your low expectations on the rest of us.
Seasonal positions on a resume harm one’s ability to get another job or a serious job because employers think that the employee will ditch them once the season starts again. That’s why Americans don’t go for those jobs. We’ve been screwed from top to bottom.
When your corrupt government fixes the easy things like closing the border, building a wall, deporting the criminals and all other illegal alien invaders then get back to me on “expectations”.
Until then you’re welcome to try and swallow a camel. 🐫
Didn’t you read what Sundance said?
Yes every word.
It doesn’t change the fact that infighting over a smaller issue isn’t wise and prudent.
We need to deal with the main problem first (40 million illegal invaders) then deal with the smaller issues.
Yeow…. If the only way we can solve the problems that America currently faces is in a serial fashion – first one problem then the next – 4 years will seem like a day compared to eternity.
Multiple problems provide multiple attack vectors.
We can walk & chew gum at the same time.
You can but your corrupt government can’t.
When has your government exceeded your expectations?
In life you ALWAYS fix the biggest and worst problem first.
The Visa problem is small and minor compared to the other illegal immigration problems.
It’s small and minor IF you aren’t one of the American workers getting the shaft.
I’m going to go waaaaayyy out on a limb here and ‘assume’ you are aware the government has more than one employee. So… I’m thinkin’ Tom Homan can be solving the immediate border issue. Kristi Noem and the USCIS(United States Citizenship and Immigration Services) can be addressing the H1B issue.
See how that works?
I’m quite sure Mr. Tom Homan (sp?) has got illegal foreign invaders squarely in his sights!
If one has ‘nothing left to lose’ then it can’t be ‘zero sum’ as the other party (viz. Musk, et.al.) certainly does.
Is Trump having one of those 2B or not 2B moments?
nothing like a little humor to lift the mood. Thanks
I like to leave relentless seriousness to the SJW crowd. It’s one of their less endearing features.
Oh Frank.
Elon, Vivek and Vance are not MAGA, they just know which cause to hitch a ride with to further their ambitions. Vance will do best by remaining quiet as a mouse in a church while Elon and Vivek construct their own ego driven demise from the MAGA universe. Those two are weakening their positions before they even get started. Not the brightest bulbs in the MAGA chandelier.
This is a debate the country needs.
Talent, like minerals, is a resource.
Entrepreneurs will always look for the least line of resistance to their best return.
That greed, opportunistic approach, if left unchecked, will move to exploitation.
It’s the representatives of the people’s job to ensure “human” exploitation is punished and stopped.
What has happened across the world and in the west, for too long, is that money bought influence, influence guided policy, policy weakened liberty, liberty was eroded, exploitation of human resource took hold.
There is little upside for the people marginalised nor the ones exploited into cheap labour.
PJT has the roadmap. Time to execute it.
Bye bye Elon (etal), is was good while it lasted.
I think we need Elon, too, after he gets over his temper tantrums. Change him. Persuade him. MAGA absolutely needs high tech and needs to get to know, integrate, high tech, AI, etc.– or elites will continue to encircle us in their silos or snake-like constrictors. We need lots more SpaceXs — but without a caste system – or there will be no more.
Actually, no, we do not need Elon, his Teslas, and ABSOLUTELY NOT his ‘Neuralink’.
Seems to me this article opens another question to be addressed and that is for those people who say Americans don’t want to work seasonal or can’t. MY question has anyone tried by using want ads in other states. Personally, a job in Florida during the winter season for some people would sound ideal. Or someone in warmer/hotter states would like to visit while earning in colder states.
President Trump is making decisions on an important issue while not understanding the issue in the least.
Why has no one close to him gotten a firm grasp on what we are even talking about here, in the last few days?
I was taken by surprise by the enormity of this issue, but I knew it was a big issue.
However, I am not a highly paid advisor, so I think I can be excused from not knowing.
The only ‘psy op’ going on here is the gaslighting by Musk, Sacks, et al, that anybody who notices what they just pulled off is falling for a psy op to divide us.
How easily we take up the slogans in place of thinking for ourselves.
Perhaps President Trump should rethink his latest lousy staff pick until someone brings him up to speed on the issue.
If you think Stephen Miller does NOT have a grasp on this issue then you are WRONG!!! Stephen Miller helped STOP the abuse in the first term. Do NOT for one minute think President Trump would value Musk or Ramy over Stephen Miller’s advice. Not for one nano second.
Let them blow off steam. President Trump will do what he wants to do regardless of whether Musk or Ramy hang on. He won’t give a crap about them. He is a one termer and he’ll do what he can do to keep his promises. They might think they are important but in the long run, Trump knew what he needed to get back to the oval office, he did it, and he’ll get rid of them asap. He’ll give them strict orders on their job, which they even said only lasted till July 2026 I think
By then the next election will be in full swing. Vance will be scrutinized and he’ll be found woefully inadequate IMHO, and another #MAGA will step up.
Agree. I think it is doubtful that Vance would be elected President, but we have four years ahead to see, IMHO.
When President Trump is making remarks that show me he doesn’t understand what visa issues we are talking about, that tells me he has not been brought up to speed on the issue.
This has gone on for too long.
Not going to believe an article from the NYP. Doesn’t Murdoch own it? I will wait for him to post on Truth.
Agreed.
Always MAGA
👊👊🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️
Elon’s reaction to the negative reaction to the tech lords abuse of H1b reminds me of an article in National Review authored by Kevin Williamson. Kevin stated, and I’m paraphrasing, “ White working class communities deserve to die.” I was born and raised in a rust belt community. My father was a steel worker, my extended family worked the Pennsylvania oil fields. The “white working class communities” of this nation BUILT THIS COUNTRY. To denigrate and try to make them second class citizens is so shameful and offensive to me that I am struggling to tamp down some very unchristian thoughts towards these self proclaimed “geniuses”. Underestimate pissed off MAGA Americans at your own peril.
I remember the article, National Review took its mask off for a moment.
that is what hateful Rick Wilson said about coal miners. God that guy is insufferable. Dumb, drug addict and HATES white working men. Literally HATES them. And word on the street is he is hooked into some seedy stuff with juvies and underage kids. He actually is ONE Of those that I hope POTUS does have the screen pulled out and looked at.
Dumb so and so’s ; the left thinks the taxpayers will keep on funding their grift projects while being targeted by their abuse . They still don’t understand who pays the bills in this country .
Hmm…
Now I’m wondering if Elon even knows what he’s talking about.
Back peddling, Elon? We have our eye on you.
oh yeah. I’m sure Stephen Miller had a nice lil chat with him. And POTUS as well.
Clear as mud
hahah…definitely stepping off his ledge there. He was told to step down by the boss without a doubt!!! I love it
hire American and forego the yearly cost of maintaining
Huhhhh???
The major reform THEY WANT is MORE H1bs.
However, I said much the same thing yesterday about this program in terms of wages:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/12/28/a-highly-toxic-silicon-valley-meltdown-over-well-documented-h1b-visa-fraud-explodes/comment-page-9/#comment-11424129
Well, at least he blinked. Way to backpedal, Elon.
We will keep pounding you with FACTS until you agree that bureaucrats issue H1B Visas like candy (or bribes).
Hiring an H1B foreign indentured slave should be so expensive that you decide to open up Tech Schools to teach Americans to do the jobs that you and your fellow travelers need.
These costs include: Paying the H1B twice as much as the going rate, giving them a signing bonus upon LEAVING the USA, no chain migration, no government benefits, AND they train their American replacement after their 1 to 2 year contract expires.
That is a starting point for me.
Did someone have a little “Chat” with Elon?
H1B visas are just one more diversion. Close the damn border. Deport millions of illegals and then worry about visas. Is everyone in this damn country nuts?
If we’d worried about it sooner we wouldn’t be faced with this crisis now.
I’m not going to ignore the suffering of my fellow Americans any longer, I knew it was bad but I had no idea how bad.
Closing the border is not contingent on visas, nor vice versa.
Visitor for business/pleasure (B1/B2) and Visa Waiver overstays are a giant problem. It’s not just the between the ports illegal entrants. I estimate the categories are near equal in size. The recent wave of Chilean home invasion and burglary crews are entering on visa waivers.
Kudos for urging people to avoid becoming PsyOp duped toxic “nuts”.
Fwiw, hopefully good news….
President Trump will be rolling out many transformational operations and reforms SIMULTANEOUSLY which will attack the NWOs massive systems on multiple fronts, using an array of strategies and tactics.
Anything NWO could receive an Inaugurate Day blitzkrieg attack from CIC POTUS 47, DJT. Repurposing what Oprah famously used to say, ” You get a blitzkrieg attack!! And you!! And you!!. And you too!!”
Then adding a Sun Tsu Troll Trump savage twist, “But some of you will have to wonder whether you missed out or are next.
Buckled up?
Got popcorn?
Ready, willing and able to help out?
Hopefully the answer, at least to the last question, is a soberly excited and profoundly grateful, ” YES!”.
“Close the damn border. Deport millions of illegals”
Upward of 42,000,000 illegals to be deported ……. combination of self deportation and forced deportation …….
Illegals include “illegal border crossers” and “illegal student and worker visa holders”.
Most quotes of illegals are just covering the last 4 years of the communist biden administration…..22,000,000.
The current number in country as of 1/20/21, estimated at 20,000,000, has to be added to that.
When they go, their costs and crimes go with them.
And Americans shouted: “It’s ’bout time!”
We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Or are you saying that Americans are too stupid to be able to tackle multiple problems at once?
Nice attempt on diverting the topic away from H1B Visa abuse.
We have talked about the border and illegals non stop. Now we are talking about another “work around” for importing foreigners into this country, taking jobs from Americans, and then chain migrating their families here to mooch off of our safety nets.
agreed…this is a huge distraction and being used by the MSM and Democrats. They need to be focused on deportation of illegals and bringing justice to the scum who targeted Trump and the J6 and others who supported Trump. This distraction was not needed at all at this time.
Thank you Sundance for the clarification.
This debate happening so early, and no matter how nasty it is, I believe is going to only benefit the MAGA movement.
Call Elon and Vivek out and don’t give an inch! But do NOT despair. As someone said here, the role of these two in the next admin doesn’t concern immigration or visas. And don’t forget Stephen Miller, an immigration hardliner, who is advising Donald Trump.
I think Vivek and Elon picked a fight they cannot win. Because on the other side of the issue you have not just the MAGA core like the Bannonites, but even the squishy NY Post and DailyWire crowds and Nicole Shanahan, who, just a few months ago, was RFK Jr.’s running mate. So it’s basically Elon/Vivek vs the entire Trump electorate. I’m confident that in the end Trump will not betray his supporters.
Trust Stephen Miller.
Those are powerful realities
The same kind that would tel you that foreigners who invaded our country illegally to drop their babies and then hubrisly claim a birthright citizenship for them does not exist and never did.
Take a look at the Biden admin and look at al the freaks and foreigners running the show. That is what it looks like across the country everywhere. The foreigners have taken over and infiltrated everything. They ARE ALL Special Interest Groups.
FYI, this is why Musk can never be President. Or Vivek, or any of the others born by illegals or non-citizens in our country.
This is a great follow…good solid commentary. Like the Treehouse I find I learn so much from solid discourse with…
Immigration Moratorium Now
article link…
https://townhall.com/columnists/joshhammer/2024/12/27/immigration-moratorium-now-n2649609
12/27
FTA…
” ‘ 71% of jobs in Silicon Valley have gone to foreign workers, while 74% of American STEM graduates have failed to secure jobs in STEM fields.’ Why, then, do we need to flood our nation – and our tech companies – with foreign, and mostly Indian, labor ? We don’t.”
BTW, for 2023, Musk’s Tesla employed 724 H-1B workers.
That wouldn’t be a new party, but the same old rino party.
Exactly. That’s why I say it feels like we’re having the same old argument with the Chamber of commerce and Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan.
Alex Jones had an interesting response, indicating that it has always been a policy of the US to ‘brain drain’ workers from other countries, and that Musk has ALWAYS supported H1B visas, so that his response to this current situation should not be a surprise to anyone.
The workers they are hiring in place of Americans aren’t brainier than Americans.
Nor should our position, as we have been clear for many, many years too. He joined us, not the other way around.
His is pure business laziness.
Business greed boosted by his own tribalism.
Devoid of loyalty to Americans.
That the nation’s largest gubmint welfare queen likes gubmint subsidized foreign labor isn’t a surprise.
His toddler-esque response was a surprise.
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Do not those countries — whose brains are being drained away from — have a say in whether these brains should be drained away?
What improvements are other countries supposed to attain if all their smart natives have gone AWOL?
“When a system has been so thoroughly corrupted” A great summary of Everything in DC. Under every rock is at least one snake. Nothing in that Sauron infested place is pure. We will know we have won when we see Senators retiring with less net worth than they had originally.
” if Making America Great Again doesn’t benefit working Americans, then what exactly is the point.” Probably the greatest one sentence summary of MAGA that has ever been created by the mind of man.
America First is about Americans First, and by that we mean legal citizens.
President Trump may not use, but he is not against the VISAs, see his All-In podcast interview, that was linked here, in June.
Remember when Trump nominated that woke Covid tyrant Sheriff to his admin and then asked him to withdraw a couple of days later because of the backlash from the MAGA base? If Trump sees enough of a pushback from the common folk, he listens. Keep the pressure.
He said he did it because of “my pastors”. He still hasn’t gotten rid of that horrible dancing doctor.
Yeah, he uses H2B Visas which are truly temporary workers who stay for a short time and then go onto the next gig in another country. Imagine if you lived in a economically poor country. Wouldn’t it be a great opportunity to work in the USA following ski season, surf season, golf season, and other high-fluctuating industries?
He does not us H1B Visas which are the ones that are abusing Americans.
So, yeah, he likes H2B Visas and NOT H1B Visas.
Do we know they “all” go back?
It appears no other visa group goes back in full (students, visitors, et al).
They have no idea of how this united us.
It doesn’t matter what Trump’s position may have been before on H1B or any other subject. Trump voters should be loud and firm about their position. Trump always listens to the people. The most recent example was when he forced that woke and tyrannical Sheriff out from consideration for the next admin, a couple of days after the conservatives voiced their outrage. Don’t lose faith and keep the pressure on.
Besides, we know what Trump adviser, Stephen Miller, thinks about this whole situation. To me it’s no coincidence that after Elon and Vivek insulted America, Stephen Miller posted this on X:
Transcript of President Trump speaking at Mt. Rushmore, on the eve of Independence Day, 2020:
“Above all, our children, from every community, must be taught that to be American is to inherit the spirit of the most adventurous and confident people ever to walk the face of the Earth.
Americans are the people who pursued our Manifest Destiny across the ocean, into the uncharted wilderness, over the tallest mountains, and then into the skies and even into the stars.
We are the country of Andrew Jackson, Ulysses S. Grant, and Frederick Douglass. We are the land of Wild Bill Hickock and Buffalo Bill Cody. (Applause.) We are the nation that gave rise to the Wright Brothers, the Tuskegee Airmen — (applause) — Harriet Tubman, Clara Barton, Jesse Owens, George Patton — General George Patton — the great Louie Armstrong, Alan Shepard, Elvis Presley, and Mohammad Ali. (Applause.) And only America could have produced them all. (Applause.) No other place.
We are the culture that put up the Hoover Dam, laid down the highways, and sculpted the skyline of Manhattan. We are the people who dreamed a spectacular dream — it was called: Las Vegas, in the Nevada desert; who built up Miami from the Florida marsh; and who carved our heroes into the face of Mount Rushmore. (Applause.)
Americans harnessed electricity, split the atom, and gave the world the telephone and the Internet. We settled the Wild West, won two World Wars, landed American astronauts on the Moon — and one day very soon, we will plant our flag on Mars.
We gave the world the poetry of Walt Whitman, the stories of Mark Twain, the songs of Irving Berlin, the voice of Ella Fitzgerald, the style of Frank Sinatra — (applause) — the comedy of Bob Hope, the power of the Saturn V rocket, the toughness of the Ford F-150 — (applause) — and the awesome might of the American aircraft carriers.
Americans must never lose sight of this miraculous story.”
Trust Stephen Miller. POTUS has also given Millers wife an admin job as well. They are a great team.
well maybe this will shut up some of the DOOMERS from yesterday. You either TRUST him or NOT. I didn’t work 4 years to help get him reelected, give $, phone bank, send post cards, wave flags, wear gear and talk to people daily to just GIVE UP. Yes, I’ve had my say on a couple cabinet picks but all in all …either trust him or not and wait and see
I know this. EVER interview he has ever done he speaks of America FIRST. Not America LAST.
I stepped back a few days when I was upset with a couple picks, got perspective and decided…….hey I chose this rider, now stay on the bull.
JMHO
How many new coders do we need?
With the amazing advances promised by the Artificial Intelligence (AI) revolution, we are being told that 90-95% of the code will be written for you and you’ just need tweak and test.
Difference is short term perspective vs long term. America has been overrun with short term perspective for decades now. Politicians have been that way forever but business started doing it more recently. Think quarterly earnings vs annual reports. Even annual reports are too short term when you are talking about building an institution. So Vivek and Elon are right about the short term needs of the economy but wrong about the long term needs of the culture. We need both perspectives . To win in the long-term, you must survive in the short term. But they should stay in their lane which is DOGE.