This is an interesting aspect to the latest school shooting in Georgia, and I’m not sure exactly what to think of this new approach. The father of the 14-year-old shooter Colt Gray, has been arrested and charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children.
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced the arrest of Colin Gray, the father of Colt Gray, the 14-year-old boy accused of opening fire at Apalachee High School, resulting in the deaths of four individuals including two students and two teachers.
Colin Gray, aged 54, faces severe charges including four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder, and eight counts of cruelty to children, highlighting the escalating scrutiny on parental responsibilities in safeguarding firearms. (more)
Arrest warrants said he caused the deaths of others “by providing a firearm to Colt Gray with knowledge that he was threat to himself and others.”
(Via CNN) – […] “The key issue in the case against the father here will be: recklessness, foreseeability, how he handled the gun in relation to his son,” Toobin told CNN on Thursday night.
Colin Gray could face up to 180 years in prison if convicted on all counts, state Judge Currie Mingledorff said during a Friday hearing.
Central to the case against Gray will be an interaction the father and his son had with law enforcement more than a year before Wednesday’s mass shooting; the teenager’s access to the weapon used in the attack; and what the father knew about the boy’s mental state, experts told CNN, as a portrait of the teenager’s tumultuous family life emerges.
In May 2023, law enforcement questioned Colt and his father about online threats “to commit a school shooting,” the FBI has said. Colt at the time denied making the threats, and his father told authorities his son did not have unsupervised access to hunting guns in the house.
Just seven months later, the suspect’s father purchased the firearm allegedly used in the mass shooting as a holiday present for his son, two law enforcement sources told CNN. The AR-15-style rifle was bought at a local gun store as a Christmas present, one source said. (read more)
On its face, this does seem like the action of a reckless parent in purchasing a firearm for his son just after there was evidence linking the son to online threats of violence. And yes, factually there are several precedents for parents being held criminally responsible for the actions of their minor children. However, I’m not sure about the criminal justice system being consistent and charging a parent with second degree murder.
There are hundreds of non-school fatal shootings that could be tied to the reckless action of parents, either by willful blindness or complicity; some in gang related killings.
Is it just the venue, the school shooting aspect, that suddenly draws the attention toward the father Colin Gray?
What about the youth shootings in Chicago, Los Angeles or Baltimore that are carried out by underage teens and yet the parents are never charged. What happens in those cases.
What are your thoughts about this new accountability model being placed upon the parents?
Bullshit.
This is where it goes Sundance, when the FBI “owns” these kids’ atrocities just because they’d been intercepted or observed a priori.
There is no solution via this method of assigning blame to third parties. None, but the trivial: no more rights for anyone. If no one can make a decision anymore, then no one can take blame; the perfect State of being for totalitarianism.
Safety is everyone’s business, and it starts with understanding that Nature is an inherently dangerous place to live. It matures when one understands that pragmatism wins the day and extremism is understood to be NEVER satiable.
Who gets charged in a drunk driving fatality when pops gave the keys to the kid?
The FBI should shadow all Tansgenics in high school. They are few but commit most of the school shootings. The FBI is good for nothing.
How about simply expel?
How hard is that?
Even better, eliminate the problem altogether by eliminating public schools. The proprietors of the private schools that become the only venue remaining can deal with the matter any way they wish.
Too simple. What if the children’s parents are unable to afford private school?
Public funds for education should follow the child period.
That is a red herring. The money is government money and the strings follow. The strings they attach is the problem. The Federal Government and State Governments desperately want to control home schooling. Private Schools that take Federal Money through their state can be no different than the public schools. Ask Musk how his kid got transitioned. There are other Billionaires that have had their kid transitioned
in a private school.
Who said it’s govt money?
If the public school charter is defunct, the funds are no longer collected. Parents then have property tax rollbacks and have to find private venues for education.
No govt involved at any step.
Any public funds would not cover private school tuition. Maybe a charter school IF on existed nearby.
REMOVE EDUCATION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
Return Education to the States.
Remember the California Achievement (or Standardized) Test ??
As I recall, the California Public Education was determined to be THE excellent example … and became the “Standard” for all/other States.
They’re paying property taxes via own/rent regardless, so they already afford it. When public education ceases to be the domain of the county, then the property taxes are slashed profoundly.
Ever heard of a voucher or charter schools?
Point being, a true educational venue would be mostly devoid of the trans/woke/PC crap and largely focused on teaching rather than grading.
A kid like this would be unlikely to progress to such a mental state if in a reasonably healthy educational setting with boundaries known and enforced.
I’m not disagreeing with you.
How is expelling the boy going to stop him from coming back and doing what he did? See the Nashville shooter.
He’d have been expelled at the time of his first boundary excursion–the one that was so egregious that the parent had to be charged for it.
In essence, he’d get a restraining order with respect to the school.
Want a perfect world? Dream.
Want a decent world? Take reasonable acts and deal with root causes.
Would it make your world better if the tragedy occurred at a bus stop on the main street instead of a campus?
The FBI could tell these shooters to “Knock it off”.
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Did the dad know his kid drinks??
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Yeah, but not propensity; rather, was the kid drunk when father gave him the car keys.
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Angels, head of a pin.
We DO need public discourse on this, but I do believe parents are negligent and they are as responsible as the perp for many crimes.
If I give my keys to my kid knowing he has alcohol in his system I am complicit .
If I give him my keys knowing he has a habit of going out with his friends and drinking, I AM COMPLICIT.
There once was something called responsible citizenship.
Growing up in the same town in which I live now, just 7 decades later, I recall cops arresting adults for the crime of “contributing to the delinquency of a minor” and if you used vulgar language in public, a cop could arrest you. What often happened was that the adult was warned and a record of it was kept. A second offense and you were arrested and put in front of a judge.
I’d have to hear the details in a court of law, but if that father bought a gun for kid he was told likely was threatening to do violence, yes, that dad is complicit. I don’t know enough about the law to say what the degree of the crime should be, but hell yeah, he’s guilty of contributing to the mayhem.
The last person who sold/gave the alcohol to the perpetrator can also be charged, evergreen. Dram Shop laws make the purveyor of the alcohol to the perpetrator responsible as well.
Same as a bar over serving. I.E. bartendet
Really? Guy stops off at friend’s house, sneaks his dad’s beer from the fridge, and the other dad and the shopkeeper who sold the beer to the other kid’s dad are all complicit?
You stated “sneaks”….that’s the difference.
Why? Not all alcoholics commit crimes. Someone can be an alcoholic and call a cab or spouse or friend. There has to be an inflection point where someone knowingly gives alcohol to someone he knows is planning to commit a crime. Otherwise transferring our outrage at the acts committed to third parties who could not unequivocably know that person was planning a crime is no better than “red flag” laws or the scenario in the Minority Report film.
The relationship between parents and children is even more problematic because parents usually try to see the best in their kids and very very often discount their children’s shortcomings and even dangerous propensities while giving them non-objective credit for overcoming those shortcomings. How many parents would be willing to recognize and admit to themselves that their child was capable of murdering innocents in cold blood based on the kid simply mouthing off?
What it does is, scare parents from allowing their children to have guns, or they themselves from owning one, just in case!
Digressing slightly. A 9yr old boy is allowed to have his penis chopped off if he so desires, and any parental descent is not allowed.
If a 14yr old boy deemed as mentally ill cannot have a gun. What of the mentally ill 9yr old who goes Online and tells everyone he’s a girl, or a cat!?
if a parent can be held accountable for the actions of their children… then Judges should be held accountable for the actions of the criminal murderers they set free…
And every politician that voted for sanctuary should be crimi ally responsible as well
I’ve long held that belief!
Are you saying that judges should be so bound, or are you declaring that both are absurd?
I would like this comment 1000x if I could!!
You realize no judge would ever let anyone go, ever?
I believe what Apple Not Far is saying is that the leftist judges, who continue to release people with MULTIPLE felonies with nothing more than a slap on the wrist, who then go out and re-offend, OVER and OVER again, should be impeached and removed from the bench, and/or be held criminally liable for the actions of the perps they refuse to hold accountable!
Here is an example of a local municipal judge in the Seattle area who openly brags about being part of the “resistance”. This story was from 2019 and the number of violent felons that she has released has only grown in the intervening years. Everyone wants to bash the cops for not doing their job but it is the judges (along with weak SJW DAs) who are causing much of the massive increase in crimes, IMHO!
https://mynorthwest.com/1495507/dori-judge-veronica-alicea-galvan/
The DAs must have studied there law at the “Night Court” School of Justice.
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But the judges are already held to account by the citizens that install them into office.
What’s your solution? Take the vote away from the citizens?
The point above makes no sense, because they already CAN be held to account.
But many judges are appointed and not elected so the citizens have no say in that process. And quite often, the media will not report on the activities of social justice judges so many voters do not realize how leftist they are – and very few of them are going to put their real intentions in the voters pamphlet, are they?
Unfortunately, just like politicians, many of the people who run to be judges have an agenda, and it usually isn’t the safety and security of the average law abiding citizen!
Well, judges are 3 or 4 degrees removed from the citizens’ abilities to raise the next generation. Judges can only act upon those who have already acted. Here’s an instance of a first act, and everyone is outraged, so a second or third is moot.
How to prevent first acts? Judges don’t factor into that calculus. So, you’ll need to find the answer elsewhere. But, it feels good to rip on judges when society serves them up regular meals of nastiness.
Whence the nastiness? What creates these creatures? Look there for answers; don’t cheerlead for having others take the wrap for bad actors, especially when society’s custodians are the ones who created the monster in the first place.
I never suggested judges should be accountable for first acts. But fourth, fifth, 20th…
You know as well as anyone that citizens can’t hold judges accountable by “voting them out”. That doesn’t work any more. The only judges, DAs, or Prosecutors who ever face any consequences are ones who get too big for their own chairs and bite the hand that feeds them.
“Society’s custodians” are the same people who put them all in place or buy them off once they get there.
And? Make em serve 100% of their sentence, then they can be freed.
Right on!!!
An excellent point!
That sounds good except adults are responsible for their own actions. Minor children have parents who should be responsible for their children.
If the parent buys them the gun despite the kid making threats of violence like that(or seeming to), it’s kinda hard to not see them being partially responsible for the crimes of the kid – not because of the kid aspect so much as the fact that they literally gave them the tool to commit the crime knowing the kid might be a psycho.
How do you square the idea of a justice system that is supposed to lead with the idea to assume you are innocent of a crime. Yet make the claim while you did not do it you should of known they where going to do it? Should we charge the FBI under this idea since they know about the shooter being a threat?
This approach is a legit question of due process. As it is forcing parents to argue that they are innocent to an assumption they are guilty by negligence and have to make a case as to why its not their fault.
Agreed…So after the FBlie went to the father and told him about the “supposed threat”, father sat down and spoke with his son, son denied he meant any such thing, and father believed him over the FBlie…Dad got him a gun (kid was a hunter too) because he believed his son over the FBlie? This entire thing is not sitting right with me…it is believe the “state” over your own son? sounding too commie to me…
The FBI has stated they did not interview the father or the son. They referred it to the local law enforcement.
The problem in this case is that it more than most, it appears like the father is effectively an accomplice here. Even if you don’t believe law enforcement about him making those threats, getting your kid a gun so shortly after that is, at best, incredibly negligent and stupid. At worst, it’s intentionally helping the kid commit the crime. There’s some in between here but every option there’s a case against the father here. Overcharged some, maybe but still pretty clear that there’s something there imo.
Do you have kids? Teens in particular.
My kids are now all over 40 none of them in jail none of them have committed crimes beaten their spouses or their children BUT
More then once each of my kids Boys and girls came home from work or school ready to kill someone or themselves for an interaction that they felt was unfair and unforgiveable. They were not able to amplify on line at that time but they would share with friends. some of these nemeses lasted for years.
As a parent my job was to comfort them, contest their over reaction, and contain by monitoring or controlling. Monitor was more important then control. You wanted them and waited for them to regain self worth and self control (one does not exist without the other). In many cases the effort to boost self worth means increasing the level of trust you place in your child. ” that was hard but in the end you handles it well I think its time to let you use the car more often”.
Being a parent is tough teens are easily influenced by other teens. Their emotions run the gambit of 12 year old school girl and 30 year old rough neck and I am not being gender specific. They have brain disconnects where their sense of self is not reflected in reality. Illusions of grandeur and deep depression can happen in moments of each other.
Yes living with a teen is like living with a manic depressive sociopath who loves and usually respects you. You have to show me some mal intent on the part of the parent before I am willing to try father for the sins of the son.
I agree.
I also wonder if we will ever find out if Colt was on any anti-depressant drugs. If a parent can be held liable, then “Big Harma” should be held liable for lying and covering up for years, the effects of these drugs.
If this was an actual straw buy (which it doesn’t sound like), then I can see the father being liable.
What I actually see is another very slippery slope.
Seems there are several aspects here.
1) technically you cannot purchase a firearm with the intent to immediately gift it to another person period. So legally the patent was still the owner?
2) were one or both parents convicted felons?
If so then they were not supposed to have access to firearms……
3) if there was drug use in the home then perhaps someone lied on the background check form and it was an illegal purchase?
Not saying yea nor nay but are we looking at the full picture?
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What if the kid -IS- a psycho and has a history of saying that he wants to commit the crime.
Perhaps this might come down to what the father knew or reasonably should have known as the kid’s parent. That said, unless the father was directly complicit in a conspiracy to commit a crime, seems like it’s more like criminal negligence.
By the way, anyone know where is the boy’s mother?
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The report I read said that the mom(separated or divorced?) took two of the children and left Colt with his father.
What of the 8 counts of cruelty to son supposedly committed by Colt’s dad? If proven true the dad should be charged with that for sure which is in the filing charges.
It’s the venue and the purpose behind permitting if not provoking the circumstances of such shootings.
It lacks consistency. They constantly undermine parental authority at every turn. Now the parents are responsible. Emotion makes for bad law. I don’t see any consistency, and therefore I see no impartiality. I reject this approach. I might be persuaded in egregious cases of parental involvement. Like if the Father drove the kid there, handed him the gun, and told him to do it. But you can’t just pick and choose which parents are to be charged based on some unknown unwritten unquantified standard. Make one rule for everyone. Make it clear and precise. Or make no rule.
Inconsistency is the only consistency within the Criminal Injustice System.
Why are the Crooks parents protected? Why was their home allegedly scrubbed? The lack of attention to the alleged attempted assassin of President Trump is weird. It is almost as if the Dept of Justice and FBI are protecting the Crooks family. It seems to me their are two standards of justice.
More than two, more like a spectrum, a broad one at that.
You are spot on Marquis. It is so disgusting.
Good questions. Why, indeed? Maybe they are protecting themselves, not necessarily the parents…
Was Crooks of legal age? I believe so.
What about the FBI’s accountability in the dozens of other public shootings and other mayhem that they knowingly allowed or ignored or actively participated in?
Depends on why he gave the gun to the kid in the first place.
Sorry.. it’s NORMAL for a dad to buy his son a gun in most parts of the country. Back in the day…. most boys had guns and even girls. This no guns thing is a fairly new idea in our society.
Yes, but back in the day there were NOT 650,000 genders and schoolteachers who indoctrinated children to believe that anyone Disagreeing with it is evil.
It’s OK for kids to have guns, as long as they are trained and not mentally ill. We don’t know if the father trained him, but we do know the kid had mental disturbances.
The dad apparently abused his son (8 counts) so dad is a mentally disturbed case who enjoyed abusing his son====EVIL. Abuser and abused locked in a deadly relationship.
I know a number of parents who gave their kids guns, but none of them gave a kid with any inkling of behavioral issues a gun, and the kids all knew, without a doubt, that if they did one little thing wrong with that weapon, it was going to be taken away until theyproved they were responsible enough for it.
Distracted us from the troon aspect of this. Trans child goes crazy…AGAIN.
Yes, judging by picture…
Looks like Colt wanted to be a gelding 🙂
The shooter is a straight guy who hated trans people. So, your comment is incorrect.
Acknowledged to be gay and angry about what he perceived to be anti-trans sentiment online.
Didn’t you see the pic before they took it down off of X? Kid had a multi color shirt on with TRANS across the front. Now he looks fairly normal, but he claims to be a tranny. Even looks like a girl in the tran pic.
Schoolmates and golf coach said he was gay and dating a boy.
Golf coach said he shot a hole in one 🙂
What won’t be analyzed, so to speak, is what is behind, so to speak, the queer, so to speak, nature of the son’s relationship to reality.
His father whined to the cops about his son being picked on, even as he sent him to school with a flaming hair job and a Pride problem to match.
The young gangbanger shooters are overwhelmingly of a different race. Maybe that has something to do with it?
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They likely are not being given weapons by their parents.
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There is surprisngly little that parents can do when their children decide to start running with gangs.
The parents are in many cases legally responsible for their child until age 18 but don’t have any way of enforcing rules if their child does not want to cooperate.
Wealthy parents have all sorts of options if they think their kids are going to be getting into trouble and embarrassing them.
Are you kidding? They are in the house. Did you see the 6-year old who shot his teacher? Used the Mom’s gun, then she lied to police claiming it was safely stored. The child was not to be alone at school and she seems to have skipped out on those responsibilities. Yet somehow, she wasn’t charged as accessory to a murder.
What about the parents responsibilities when it comes to their deciding whether their minor children can have transgender surgeries without their consent as many courts now seem to be allowing. Or the schools taking away the parents rights by hiding their children’s transgender inclinations.
Either the parents are responsible for their children in all cases or they’re not. There should be no pick and choosing based on the politics of the day.
This father seemed to encourage his son’s aberrations.
We don’t know that. How many American parents are badgered and beaten into submission over “transitioning” their children.
Agreed.
This is exactly the first thing I thought about! They want the parents responsible/they don’t want them responsible. It must depend on what fits the narrative.
Wondering how it is that the state being able to remove a child from parents so they can trans but cannot remove a child from parents when they fear he could harm others in a shooting or ?
This same legal action was attempted in connection with the Parkland, Florida School Shooting in 2018, Valverde, Texas School Shooting and School in and the Sandy Hook, Connecticut School Shooting in 2012.
This has been building along side the efforts by States to add Gun Makers as well as gun vendors to the list of those culpable for these tragedies.
I can’t say I don’t disagree with the culpability of the parents … 2nd Degree Murder Charges likely due to the local authorities attaching premeditation to the crime if Parents knew of consequences of giving there son a gun.
Can the DA’s make it retroactive? The Columbine killers’ parents were very aware of their kids’ firearms in their room and their threats to certain kids at school when the parent of the threatened kid complained to police way before the murders.
Also, look up the Lucia Bremer case in suburban Henrico Cty Virginia. Black 14 year old shoots dead a 13 year old white girl and tries to shoot her friend who escapes.
His ‘guardian’ uncle who he lived with was charged because the gun was in his house and the kid had made threats before the shooting. He was exonerated and protected by the media.
The police chief and the Soros funded DA threatened anybody spreading rumors about the case on social media would face consequences.
The killer’s background in the Bremer case was never divulged unlike this case where the shooter’s dysfunctional psycho family’s history is out in the open.
Parents or guardians being held responsible for their minor child’s actions seems to be based on skin color.
I remember when I was in high school in the late 1960s, some of the guys would bring their rifles to school for show and tell.
Nobody got hurt. I think we were a little more mature than todays youth.
We weren’t confused about our sexuality. We didn’t have the Marxist curriculum that they do today.
The Sandy Hook shooter shot and killed his mother first. She was the person who gave him access to the gun. So that wasn’t an issue is this case as it is difficult to incarcerate a dead woman.
Fine with me but they will have to prove they are serious by going to Chicago and sending all the parents over there to prison.
Seriously though, this sounds like precedent-setting behavior:
If parents go to jail surely gun manufacturers would be liable for civil or criminal penalties.
Same for pro 2A politicians, NRA, etc.
In Chicago, amongst many other similarly situated locales, many of the kids aren’t exactly sure who there parents are.
The adults they live with don’t buy them guns for a birthday present though.
They already did this in Michigan. Ethan Crumbly was sentenced to life in prison. Both of his parents were given lengthy prison sentences also.
Something of the Minority Report here. Commission of a future crime in the past.
To be fair, Gray gave his son a gun after learning he had issues.
He must have been aware that the kid was troubled even before that.
What issues exactly did the father know about?
On its own it’s reasonable but I can totally see it unreasonably expanded and selectively unforced. Will families be forced to keep guns under lock and key at all time if someone has mental health issues or risk being charged for recklessness etc?
Responsibility is a bitch … responsibility comes attached with the exercise of ones rights.
Something has to be done to remove access, in the scenario you describe of owning a weapon with a person experiencing mental issues living in the same home.
The same responsibility attaches for situations where children live in the same home as well.
I abhor the thought of gun control being implemented through blanket confiscation, confiscation without due process and outright denial of rights to own a weapon without due process, et al … but … Rights do not equal a free lunch with respect to responsibility one assumes when exercising those rights.
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I tend to agree. If parents can be held responsible for not having a fence around the pool in which a kid drowns, or leaving dangerous poisons within the easy reach of a toddler, then actually giving a firearm to a kid with known mental health issues doesn’t seem to be a stretch.
Second degree murder might be an overreach, but criminal negligence doesn’t seem to be.
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Georgia apparently has a criminal law that says that grossly negligent or otherwise criminal conduct that causes the death of a child can be prosecuted as second-degree murder, even though there was no intent to kill the child, which is an essential element in most state’s second-degree murder penal statutes.
Yet another slippery slope….I have had a bad feeling about this from when he was charged….something isn’t sitting right with me here…every slope started like this…
Like it or not … after reading many of the responses here and on other sites …. the 2nd Amendment advocates are their own worst enemy, even if not their intention.
Not a single response advocates any kind of responsibility that comes with exercising the right to own a weapon. That omission undoes all the other arguments made in those responses. All the arguments made boil down to … I can own a gun if I want to and you can’t take it … sounds nice here in sterile thread but looks heartless and clueless when added to thread attached to the article describing the tragedy.
thedoc00: Responsibility is built into the 2nd Amendment, from the very first words: “A well regulated militia…” No one on this thread is advocating the right own a firearm without the responsibilties that go along with that ownership.
I believe that for most gun owners, 2A supporters, responsibility is understood.
The discussions here are not focused on the responsibility of gun owners, because this case is focusing on everybody else’s responsibility- in this case the father. And actually, it’s not everyone else’s responsibility – it is looking to blame someone, a fall guy. Today no one is responsible, so they have to find someone to blame.
The left wants to take our guns. Period. There is always a slippery slope involved. They pull out their “blame throwers” and aim them at everybody in the vicinity – gun manufacturers, bartenders, retailers, parents.
As Demon Slick and Beth02 mentioned – they are trying to pull parental authority away from actual parents and towards the schools.
I feel quite confident in pointing out that we will never see them blame the anti depressants, ADHD drugs they put these kids on, nor will they ever blame the schools who indoctrinate them into crazy bs and mess with these kids heads every single day.
Exactly my thoughts. Slippery slope and something smells.
It will be used as a new weapon against whom ever the government wants to go after.
A few thoughts:
• Teens spend more time at school and with friends than their parents at this age. If you start blaming the parents, shouldn’t teachers and friends be included.
• Will he be tried as an adult? If so, then how can anyone else be at fault.
• If the teen was on the FBI radar as they say, why aren’t they equally at fault since they see way more online content generated by the teen than the parent does.
• As an aside, why are we so quick into this conversation when we haven’t even had the conversation about the parents and background information of the murderer and attempted murderer of a former president and current front runner.
The FIB is distracting us, yes.
Excellent thoughts! Our country needs a million more like you.
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Who gave the minor the gun? His friend at school, or his parent?
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I suspect plenty of kids have access to their parents guns… most of them do not shoot up their schools.
The real question is – what is the root cause? None of these discussions ever get to the root cause. We also don’t get enough information to get to the root cause.
Was this kid taking any kind of drug? What is the drug for? What are some of the side effects of the drug? We need a lot more information before we willy-nilly put parents in prison.
If this catches on, it will be an encouragement for people to not have any kids at all, least they have what used to be called a “bad seed” and they end up spending the rest of their life in prison. Maybe that’s the idea – save the planet and all!
It also seems like a form of ‘collective quilt’ that is not so far different from holding people responsible for what their ancestors did. Reoperations anyone ?
And trying a 14 year old as an adult? Is this equal application of the law?
State law. Different jurisdictions will be different. A feature of federalism.
I don’t want a national federal law. Different states will come up with different solutions for the epidemic of mental illness of the nation’s youth and the increasingly negative consequences of MSM culture, drug use, and federalized public schools.
It fits the gun-grabber’s longterm strategery, not to prosecute just a shooter, but also parties connected to the shooter. Eventually, they’d hope to expand to gun sellers, then manufacturers.
It’s transparent. Lawfare in another arena, basically.
100% with you. Gun-grabbers have tried MANY TIMES ALREADY over the last decades to prosecute sellers and manufacturers in order to obliterate those businesses.
They have continued this egregious harassment even LONG AFTER the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) was passed in 2005.
railer: Exactly, although, in this particular case, there may be some specifics involved with the charges under Georgia law.
When questioned, the son denied posting the threats and claimed his account had been hacked. Most parents want to believe their children. Sadly, the son was lying.
We have millions of dysfunctional families in this country. We have millions of parents struggling against the odds to get their children through the toxicity of our current society. It is hard and many parents are losing. Schools also bear some responsibility through their “zero tolerance” policies, where the victim will be punished just as severely as the bully if he or she fights back. Public education is a toxic Lord of The Flies environment.
We also have decent people who hunt and it is a family and community norm. Some people hunt for food as well as sport. And we also have an increasingly large number of people who are completely disconnected from our national traditions of hunting and fishing and believe all guns are just lurking in the corner waiting to shoot someone. The New York Post published a picture of the shooter with a deer he had shot hunting with his father. The comment section was dominated by people who were horrified anyone would take a child hunting and viewed it as evil.
The complete facts aren’t publicly known. But I can guarantee one thing, the anti.2nd Amendment people will push for parents to be incarcerated over school shootings. In cases where a parent knows a child wants to be violent at school, where the parent knowingly supplies a gun to be used violently against other people, it is appropriate. But you know the Left will want this punishment to be meted out regardless of the parent’s foreknowledge or lack of it.
It is a very slippery slope.
A lot of people’s first exposure to guns is being the victim of an armed criminal.
Throw in the anti-2A slant of pop culture and the news, and it’s little wonder support for gun control is so high.
Don’t the Feds hoover up all online data? Won’t Utah be able to know where exactly the suspicious comments originated?
Won’t they know exactly when the comments were typed? They were probably looking at him through the video camera?
apparently the fib ran across some maga paraphernalia when searching their home
In this case, the father was aware of the prior threats… promised his son would not have access to guns… and then bought him one at age 14.
The kid was obsessed with school shooters. He had a terrible home life and was being bullied at school. A recipe for bad to happen.
IMO, the father SHOULD face charges because he was aware of his son’s prior threats.
HOWEVER, the FBI, the local law officers that interacted with the kid should have done a lot more than paying a visit to the then 13 yr old. The kid should have received structured help.
Was he on SSRI’s or other mind altering prescriptions? If yes, then this is a huge conversation that needs to happen in this Country! ALL of the school shooters have mental issues and are on some kind of prescription drug.
Was he on Tik Tok? Apparently, there is an algorithm running that shows teenage boys violent videos constantly (BBC just did an investigation). They are being desensitized to violence by the damn social media platforms!
There are lots of people to blame. But the father, who was closest to the son, should bear the most responsibility.
I also think that the more parents are put into the blame mix and face charges, maybe the upshot will be better parenting!
The kid was on the Rainbow Spectrum.
An increasingly relevant predictor.
And why? Because of the pressure at school – from teachers and peers.
I feel really bad for kids today. They are being psychologically abused from all directions…
This kid was salvageable if someone had just paid attention and done what was needed.
Just incredibly sad.
Hmmm, a determined and creative DA could criminally charge the medical/psychological doctors who prescribe the SSRI’s that make these kids homicidal with Second Degree Murder, too, under this theory of law enforcement. AmIRight?
Why not? The drug makers, doctors and chemists fulfilling prescriptions for Oxycontin were prosecuted and bankrupted…
It strikes me as an exercise in virtue signaling by law enforcement, which is visiting the sins of the son upon the father by charging the man immediately without any indications of a thorough investigation beforehand. Just because the father bought the kid an AR-15 does not necessarily indicate guilt, especially if it turns out that the kid broke the lock to the gun rack and grabbed the weapon against the express wishes of the father. Stay tuned on this case.
*8 counts of child cruelty charges committed by the father. Something wicked was going on there.
This is a link from Colion Noir’s channel, and the first two minutes are the audio recording from 2023 where law enforcement visited the Gray home, responding to information that the son had made dangerous threats about shooting up a school.
IMHO, this father is NOT the sharpest knife in the drawer, and certainly bears SOME responsibility, regardless of not pulling the trigger himself.
However, the law enforcement AND psychiatric communities probably should have been involved by “keeping an eye” on this family to at least diminish the possibility of this horrible tragedy occurring.
Oops, forgot the link.
How about the schools failing to protect the kids?
Thank you!
hello
I’m completely opposed to the idea of prosecuting the father for three reasons:
1. The Bible condemns punishing parents for the sins of their children and vice versa (Ezekiel 18:19-20).
2. Government at all levels in our nation has corrupted our children and neutered Godly authority in the lives of our children in a thousand different ways. The nanny state, no fault divorce and the state-sponsored war on Christianity have all decimated the nuclear family. Government-supported Big Pharma pushes an ocean of pharmaceuticals on our children, destroying their ability to make rational and moral choices. Prosecute them, not the parents.
3. If prosecuting parents becomes SOP it will NEVER be done with any concern for “equal justice under the law.” Black parents of black children in gangs will never be prosecuted. Suburban and rural white parents will be prosecuted. Laws enforced unequally in that fashion are by definition immoral.
This prosecutor should be removed from office.
I disagree with parents of Black gangbangers not being charged.
Today’s “soft on crime” Democrats easily become tough on crime when it’s politically convenient.
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So uhm… if a parent gives a toddler a loaded weapon, and he shoots himself or the baby… okay?
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Really? Infants and toddlers? That’s what you’re going with in a story that doesn’t involve infants or toddlers?
“A fool has no delight in understanding,
But in expressing his own heart.” Proverbs 18:2
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You didn’t specify a new age of legal adulthood in your statement saying that parents should not be prosecuted for what their (presumably minor) children do.
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Ezekiel 18:20
Our nation was founded on the Judeo-Christian legal ethic. A son should not be held liable for the sins of the father, and vice versa. If the father indeed sinned by grooming his child, then he should be an accessory to the fact, just as the person who hires a hitman. But I think the FBI is conflating issues here because they claimed they didn’t have enough evidence a year ago. So how would the father know the allegations were indeed true? Now they cry “he should have done something” when our mental health/psych ward admittance laws have been changed in the last 40 years that you can’t get any help as a parent until AFTER a violent crime is committed and a judge deems the kid insane. If a parent denied tranny drugs to their kid which is often a factor in these cases (see Nashville), the parent would have been charged with a hate crime. This seems like a “lose if you do, lose if you don’t” report your kid. I think the FBI is deflecting from their own malfeasance in GA and their grooming of the kid in Butler. Inconsistent justice is not justice at all.
I think the difference between Colin Gray’s situation vs those of parents in crime-ridden cities such as Chicago, to name just one, is one of venue: Rural GA is run by conservative Republicans that, however Pro 2A they might be, however Pro 4A and 5A they may be, they have no patience with parents who KNOWINGLY put firearms into the hands of children whose potential for murder and mayhem are both very great and well known to those parents. That Colin Gray would purchase and give to his troubled and troublesome son such a weapon suggests that he had a reckless disregard for the dangers such a gift posed. That, combined with his apparent inability or unwillingness to control and constrain his son are aggravating circumstances that will weigh heavily against him. Ultimately, it will be up to the jury. If convicted, I suspect his chances of winning on appeal will be limited, at least at the state level.
You weren’t in that home. You are assuming an awful lot.
“That Colin Gray would purchase and give to his troubled and troublesome son such a weapon suggests that he had a reckless disregard for the dangers such a gift posed. That, combined with his apparent inability or unwillingness to control and constrain his son are aggravating circumstances that will weigh heavily against him. ”
How about this scenario… dad tries everything he can think of to combat the education and media brain washing that is destroying and troubling his son, like taking him hunting… He may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I refuse to accept that the evil is all on the dad until evidence is shewn. In which case, the kid would’ve shot his dad, right?
This whole thing stinks to high heavens.
These crazy kids think changing genders will make them normal but it does the opposite and then they want to kill people.
They assault society for not pretending to believe a twisted reality they can’t convince themselves to believe.
I prefer to say “these poor kids” who have been manipulated and groomed by evil doers and whose hope for normalcy is destroyed at a young age until they go mad in frustration due to the evil influences and drugs.
This logic is vaguely similar to the radical left allowing victim’s parents to sue gun manufacturers. Their motive here is just more intimidation of those believing in the 2A. The fix is completely illogical.
We strongly agree that parents should face consequences for lack of parenting, but that’s tough to do when Jabba Da Hut Gubbermint insists that gubbermint owns and controls the kids instead of parents. Jabba Da Hut seems to be setting up yet another cognitive dissonance situation (see above). Still, parents should pay a hefty price of some sort.
Ultimately, we think the problem can be quickly solved by public executions like firing squads and hangings (preferred) and not voting for or hiring democrats because they always create more problems than they ever solve (never let a crisis go to waste.) We’re not kidding / joking about public executions. Has to be consequences for bad behavior and right now there are no consequences for any bad behavior. Instead Christians, Catholics and Trump Supporters are wrongly targeted, harassed and persecuted.
We think watching your child be executed should be more than enough of a price to pay for parents of screwed up kids.
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Father isn’t being charged because his mentally-dubious kid went out somewhere and got a gun, and father somehow didn’t raise the kid right.
Father is being charged because father promised to lock up father’s own firearms because his mentally-issued kid had made threats, and then actually gave the kid his OWN rifle. There is just no excuse.
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hopefully you know most folks these days keep guns locked up. Kids with guns usually have to ask for them to be able to take them.
My end conclusion is…..
It is a hot mess! 🔥🔥🔥
I have the gut feeling that this is
going to be used by the gun grabbers
to try and strengthen their talking
point library…along with possible
new lawfare shenanigans.
No emphasis on the child, mental
health, family situation, possible
medication/drug use by mother when
pregnant or if Colt was ever on
medications or was taking medications
at time of shooting….🤷♀️
They are going to be focused on
gun grabbing….🥴😵💫🥴😵💫🤬
Again, a hot mess….and the father is
just one part of it all…but the easiest
for them to focus on.🤷♀️
What happens if a 16 year old has gotten into several car wrecks that have damaged property and the parents buy him one more car again and then the 16 year old kills others by plowing into them with his new car provided by his parents?
https://komonews.com/news/local/renton-car-crash-family-washington-18-year-old-driver-arrest-charged-killed-fatal-deadly-vehicular-homicide-reckless-driving-children-woman-multi-vehicle-traffic-safety-driving-road-speeding-seattle-king-county-sheriffs-office-investigation
Happened just outside Seattle earlier this year…a mom and three children were killed by an 18 year old going 112 MPH – it was the THIRD wreck he had caused in less than a year, ALL involving excessive speed. Many people feel that his parents, who were the ones purchasing the cars, should also be charged as accessories. Prosecutors have not made any official decision yet, as far as I know.
We knew a family that bought their kid vehicles he should not have had, and he ended up being killed in a crash, thankfully it was a one-car crash and he didn’t take anyone else with him.
Everybody saw this coming except the parents.
That’s a sad lesson and I’m sorry they had to learn it the way they did but I am thankful no one else was killed by him.
Back in the 1930s, when cars were still a luxury, my aunt was killed by a drunk driver, whose father happened to be the mayor of the small town where they lived. No charges were filed and it appeared that he got off scot-free. But many years later, he contacted my grandmother, who was then in her 60s and living in another state, to apologize and ask for her forgiveness. He had evidently had another accident, on his farm, and had backed over and killed his own grandson….
Yes. I tried to find this story in the news but I could not remember what city it was in.
The shooter hadn’t shot anything besides a deer so not a good analogy.
However, it is always wise to keep guns in a safe children don’t have access to. Especially if you have a child you know has “issues”.
That’s the part that bothers me. The dad knew how bad the kids environment was, whether the dad was taking any of the blame or not, so why would he get that kid a weapon?
Then there is the part where the dad says his kid was being bullied. I would expect a parent whose kid acted out violently to say that in their child’s defense, but it shows that he knew the pressure the kid was under, and he handed him a gun.
Definitely terrible decision-making on the part of the father with tragic consequences. There is no good defense for that part of the situation. I haven’t read anything that says the boy was violent prior to the shooting, but just as a reasonable precaution any firearms in the house should have been in a gun safe which the boy or any other child didn’t have access to. In fact, any household with firearms and children should have a gun safe.
I was not advocating for either side. I was advocating for a discussion about parents putting a tool that can be BOTH useful and deadly into the hands of a minor.
What about having knives in the kitchen drawer? Or a baseball bat?
Is it okay as long as the parent does not hand the gun over to the minor? If the gun is locked up then has the parent done the best that they can to not be prosecuted? If the parent locks up the keys to the car then is that enough?
Is it legally okay to merely have kitchen knives in the drawers but not locked up?
If this 14 year old murderer had brought knives, bats, and acid then would the parent be liable?
If we remove the issue of the school and the murderer waited to do this at a school bus stop then what is the liability?
Should we talk about metal detectors, eliminating backpacks/large bags, and searches of lockers?
I think that there are a lot more people beside the idiot parent who dropped the ball on this murderer who need to be investigated.
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The parents get sued for negligence. If, as may well be the case, they also weren’t able to get insurance on their cars with this permitted driver in their household, they also get criminally charged.
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JD Vance was raises largely by his grandmother who swore a lot and had a dozen ? guns around the house. If (hypothetically) when he was 14, he had done something like this would his grandmother have gone to prison (for what likely would have been her life)?
I imgine the GA gun ownership laws come into play…
I think if his grandma heard he was making threats and then went out and got him his own gun, she might be.
SINCE THE KID WAS “KNOWN TO THE FBI”, DOES THAT MAKE THEM LIABLE ALSO?
They are not liable by reason of the known fact of their incompetence.
There may be more to this story than meets the eye.
The interaction of Jackson Co Sheriff’s Dept is not the county where the youth was in school at the time of the shooting.
That indicates that the child was probably living in Jackson County at the time of that interview, presumably with his mother.
Barrow County, where the school is, borders Jackson County.
The child was 14, which means in Georgia, in a broken divorced home, the child can choose which parent to live with.
I know this is going to be some speculative, but I’m going to throw some things out for consideration.
IF the child was living with his mother, the year before, then consider that the child was trying to escape from a crazy woman, and snapped before they could get him help.
Perhaps the father knows what I’m going to proffer.
The mother (per Zerohedge yesterday) had a 17 year criminal crime spree over 3 counties charged with possession of methamphetamine, DOMESTIC ABUSE, fraudulent checks, DUI, on and on, but never seems to have served any time.
What does that indicate? <<<<<<<
And how, under these circumstances,could she have retained custody of that child until he could choose to live with his father?
CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANT for law enforcement. That's how! No time and her handlers go to bat for her on custody matters! 💥 💥 💥
It's the most logical explanation for that.
Appalachian REDO – GBI regional drug enforcement office. Barrow and Jackson Counties are a part of that REDO. How likely is the 3rd county the child's mother was arrested in was also in this REDO????
My belief is this child lived in pure hell with his mother witnessing all kinds of depravity with her and her handlers.
See the mother's mugshot on ZH yesterday from prior arrest. She's smirking, as if she knows nothing will happen to her.
The father's mugshot, on TGP,shows a man that looks both defeated and relieved.
How much does the father know about the mother's potential involvement with LE? And if so, what kind of bad PR would that create for local and state LE to have been protecting this mother and allowing that child to live in that environment.
If he were to testify to what he knows about her past, what would that reveal about government actors contributing to this child's mental health???
What if I told you I have first hand similar experience from 24 years ago with this type of situation with a child in a bad environment with a bad woman protected by the authorities?
What if I also told you I was acquainted with this father from about 10 years ago in the business world and that he had high reputation as a professional commercial construction superintendent who told me once that he had a crazy drug addled woman to live with that kept getting trouble but the authorities would do NOTHING to her but he was trying to stick it out for the child's sake?
He was known as Coley Gray in the construction industry in the Atlanta area. He was a senior superintendent for Leapley at one time and Van Winkle, an old and prestigious Atlanta construction firm at another time.
Whatever you may think about my musings, I'm telling you something is rotten with the mother and the authorities and it is a wonder that child had not already snapped.
And it's possible with this tortured mind, he was probably on government mods (dope) for his mental state.
Just sayin
BK,
Thank you for your information.
When I read some of the things
that were appearing in the news regarding
comments from neighbors, past landlord,
family members —I kept thinking….how
did this child remain in the mother’s custody
for so long?
And with a rap sheet like she had, why wasn’t
she in jail?
I also saw her mug shot —and the smirk.
And why there is/was no emphasis on her
raised other questions. 🧐🤔🧐
I figured someone with your inquisitive mind would catch that!
Long rap sheet, but no known convictions nor time served, and I DID check GA Dept of Corrections which would show time served on felonies. NOTHING!
I’m sure also noticed that all of the media attention is on the father, but NOT a single word about his mother, her past nor interactions with the child in media accounts. Info in the mother is silo’d, black balled, buried, not spoken of.
Who the child was living with and when specifically is obfuscated.
And while the father MAY have bought the gun, the media description of that allegation is framed with “allegedly!”
Red flags everywhere on this with the mother’s culpability in this matter from a lifetime of abuse, neglect and depraved indifference to her xhilds welfare, and potentially government actors covering it up for her all along so they can use here for their ‘investigations’ and quotas. <<<<< DON'T LOOK here, squirrels!
And now framing a narrative and charges on the father to distract from the mother and potentially the authorities. <<<<<LOOK here squirrels!
Yeah…💁🤷♀️
Well —I am known to be a
Royal PIA when it comes
to asking questions.
🙃 🙃 🙃
And calling BS when needed, or
going down rabbit holes in doing
further research.
This child didn’t have half a chance
at life.😪 If he would have made it
in life—it would have been a case of
—in spite of his life as a child.
Stories like JD Vance are not as common
as many would like to admit.
So many lives needlessly lost or ruined
because of what I see revolve around the
actions of…his mother….and perhaps those
she was involved with.😎😎😎
And with a rap sheet like she has….
made me wonder if she was on first name basis
with authorities …🤷♀️💁😉
That’s what I’m saying.
A protected, paid confidential informant who is allowed to commit crime, keep custody while strung out and known to be strung out, just so her LE handlers can gather intel and make cases.
Believe me, I know this occurs and has for a long, long time.
Great info from BK and convo with you sir. Going after our 2nd has been a long range and important step by the cabal.
😲 😲
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My understanding is that previous interview with law enforcement involved the father, and that the father subsequently gave the kid the rifle. Please correct this is I’m wrong; I think it’s an important point.
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The interview did involve the father.
What if the father was called or interviewed but the child was living in Jackson County with his mother and the father had to go see about it, as any concerned divorced parent would.
That social media threat came from Jackson County or they would not have been involved, or from an account where the billing address was located.
Not taking up for the kid, but he denied making that threat and said his account had been hacked. What if the mother made that threat on his account?
Jackson County was notified because the alleged threat came from there.
Maybe the child was living there then. Maybe he wasn’t.
AND, if he wasn’t living there at the time of the threat made from there, them maybe someone did access and use his account.
The media and the authorities are only releasing the ‘facts’ they want the public to see and use as their narrative for the legal cases.
I agree.
Only what “facts” are
deemed necessary are being
released…….and those “facts”
are the ones everyone are accepting—
without further questioning.🤷♀️💁
As I just posted above….
Was the weapon gifted and only given to
Colt under the supervision of his father?
And then placed in a secure safe when
not in use? And some how Colt was able
to access the safe?
Questions! I have further questions!
😉 🧐 🧐 🤔 🤔
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Is this one of those “high-conflict” divorce/custody cases? Hard to know sometimes exactly what’s going on.
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I see your point….
Question I would also
ask….did the father gift the weapon
to Colt, but Colt was only given the
weapon to use when under the supervision
of the father? 🤷♀️
And when not in use was the weapon secured
in a gun safe?
And did Colt find a way to get access
the safe?
Case in point….. I bought my first
vehicle before I had my permanent
drivers license.🤷♀️ My father kept the
keys and only under the supervision of
a licensed driver could I get behind the
wheel and drive on my own.
😉 😉 I knew where he kept the keys😉😉
If Colt was clever enough he may have found
a way to access the safe.
To answer your question…we don’t really have
enough information…perhaps by design…to
know exactly what happened.
How about making parents fearful of owning arms.
That is the goal.
Under Obama, many physicians began to ask as part of the mandated “ health assessment” whether there are firearms in the home.
That’s probably part of it.
Yes, this is why this situation is a slippery slope. If parents think they could go to jail for one of their offspring shooting and killing, some will get rid of those guns faster than you can say sassafras tea. Well, that’s “their” hope.
They are trying to create a catch-22 for gun owning parents. IMHO. If they make it illegal to take charge of your own child on the one hand, and make you liable for whatever the child does, the parents can’t be successful. The State will step in and finally have their way with the children of Americans (Hitler Youth).
“What about the youth shootings in Chicago, Los Angeles or Baltimore that are carried out by underage teens and yet the parents are never charged. What happens in those cases.”
In Chicago absolutely nothing, Kim (Cabrini Green) Foxx will not charge the yutes or parents, only cops.
Here’s the stats as of this morning…
http://heyjackass.com/
Just hang out in Sinai’s ER…
This problem will not get solved until they look at the real problem that causes it.
The liability of parents for the torts of their children follows the liability of owners for injuries caused by their pets. If the parents have reason to believe their child may be violent with others, they have a duty to warn or prevent that violence from happening. Sort of like the first bite rule with dogs. Once they are on notice of their child’s violent tendencies, they owe a duty to the foreseeable victims to control those tendencies, including restraining and keeping them away from weapons. The degree of control varies with the age and mental capacity of the child. The older the child gets, the more difficult to hold the parent liable because the child may be held independently liable.
As for criminal liability, this is relatively new in the law, but the concept is the same. If the parent had reasonable notice that their child had violent tendencies and, particularly, violent intent, then they may be criminally liable for any violence perpetrated by their child that they reasonably and foreseeable could have prevented.
Here, looks like the father is charged with knowledge of his son’s threats due to the FBI interview which means he could or should have reasonably and foreseeably prevented the shootings by not giving his son a lethal weapon.
This is why Crooks’ father has lawyered up, but the fact that his son was an adult will make that prosecution, if any, much harder to prove. More likely to get a judgment of civil liability.
This is also why the psychiatrists at Vandy didn’t want the Nashville shooter’s manifesto released. The Tarasoff doctrine imposes malpractice liability on mental health professionals when they become aware of their patient’s intent to harm an identifiable victim but do not warn that individual.
At common law, third-party liability for the death of another did not exist. As with all developments in the law, reasonable conduct based upon foreseeable injury has now extended liability to third parties in limited circumstances.
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Good points.
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We need a GBI charging those in DC who like kamala and biden have provided the means for crimes all over America.
Lock them up and throw away the keys!!
I’m definitely not comfortable with this in the slightest. The father is on record saying that his son was mercilessly bullied at school, “called gay,” etc. He says he bought his son a 22 rifle as a birthday present, because it’s something he showed interest in, that they could do together.
None of this justifies what took place nor does excuse the father entirely, for not securing the firearms, once he was notified of his son’s threats to shoot up the school. Failure to act responsibly, under such circumstances, meets the threshold of a criminal IMO.
But that doesn’t make him guilty of 2nd degree murderer. At best, he’s an accessory or an unwitting accomplice. In my opinion, his culpability is more along the lines of willful negligence etc.
As others have said, the standard of the law should be clear and consistent, regardless of which party oversees the DOJ, the prevailing narrative, race of the offender/victim(s). And that’s what makes this decision & this case so problematic.
Everyday hundreds of black and brown youths go on violent crime sprees, without their parents and often themselves being held accountable. Incidents of black vs Asian and black vs white violence occur at a disturbing frequency without the news media reporting on it or the offender being charged with a hate crime.
The cumulative effect of the lawfare being waged against Trump, race based justice, narrative driven selective charging & prosecution etc are destroying our once, gold standard of equal justice for all.
Civil society will inevitably break down when the people lose faith & trust in all the systems that it’s built upon. The left is systematically dismantling every pillar right in front of us.
And, if he was was mercilessly bullied at school, didn’t the teachers have a responsibility to put a stop to it?
Other sources paint the father as the bully. After reading BK’s posts I’m going to just shut up. Think of all the crimes that never made the news and the ones that do have too many questions.
I was horrified when I read it. It is very common in many parts of the country for father’s to purchase their sons guns (younger than “legal age”). Boys learn to shoot young. They learn to hunt. They learn firearm safety.
This is a very bad precedent.
What I want to know is who was whispering in the boy’s ear besides his father???? Was he in “therapy”, taking any SSRIs, seeing a “counselor”, being “handled” by anyone else, anyone trying to “transition” him? Before they throw his dad in jail they need to do an exhaustive contact search. His dad didn’t pull the trigger. He shouldn’t be in jail.
This is a very dangerous precedent. Very, very, dangerous.
Before the father was arrested, I commented on this subject the other day:
“I think the law should be this:
If your kid is reported to the FBI for threats against others, and you fail to place them into a counseling program (which needs to be designed in a group effort by clergy, psychologists, teachers, and competent adults), then you are LIABLE for crimes committed against others until said child is 18. And you can be prosecuted for murder, too.
We have a terrible mental health crisis in our country’s youth. Parents are apathetic. I am sick and tired of my grandchildren being at risk because of it.
I have a counselor friend who has told me outright that she knows kids who are potential school shooters, and there is NOTHING she can legally do about it! The “rules” protect the disturbed, not their possible victims.”
I stick by my thoughts. The KEY to what I think is that the parent(s) are ACTIVELY addressing the child’s problems, not ignoring or even encouraging them.
Also, an appropriate type of program for these kids must be established, it must be widely and easily available for parents, and it needs to include God. Something akin to AA, but with more supervision. No more SSRI’s as a panacea. They are poisonous to young minds.
Hmmm, a determined and creative DA could criminally charge the medical/psychological doctors who prescribe the SSRI’s that make these kids homicidal with Second Degree Murder, too, under this theory of law enforcement. AmIRight?
Wouldn’t hurt my feelings any.
We have a terrible mental health crisis in our country’s youth. Parents are desperate. I am sick and tired of the public education system, secular counselors, seculor psychologists, a health system that will “transition” a child, and “clergy” who fly the rainbow flag, with zero respect for parental rights.
I don’t worry about my grandchildren because they are homeschooled. Their parents are armed. We all are. We will not allow godless people to interfere in our right to bring up normal, healthy, happy, safe, children.
Having said that, there are many parents who could use some help and that is the responsibility of the community and local church. My opinion is that when everything is outsourced to the State, parents become apathetic.
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Mental health counseling is largely bogus. While occasionally a “wise person” (mental health professional or not, and most therapists aren’t those “wise persons”) sometimes can mentor a kid to cope or overcome, there is little to nothing in mental health “counseling” protocols that can fix the harmful effects of a continuing bad environment, lack of inculcated good values, or just bad/stupid parenting.
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When I went to university many in that field of study were the absolute worst people bar none. One made an elaborate experiment targeting a Jewish student that got so crazy that the FBI was called in to investigate. Perpetrator landed a great paying position with large corporation with suspicious affiliations.
Son is considered adult. Why is father responsible for anything?
Good point.
They want it both ways: charge him as an adult and then charge the father for allowing minor son to have a gun.
They want to silence that kid for a long time?
Where is the law on the books stating parents can be charged with murder when their minor child murders???? I call BS
Chicago? We won’t go there….its a gun free zone/s
TPTB threatened to do this long ago…making good on their threats.