This is an interesting aspect to the latest school shooting in Georgia, and I’m not sure exactly what to think of this new approach. The father of the 14-year-old shooter Colt Gray, has been arrested and charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children.
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced the arrest of Colin Gray, the father of Colt Gray, the 14-year-old boy accused of opening fire at Apalachee High School, resulting in the deaths of four individuals including two students and two teachers.
Colin Gray, aged 54, faces severe charges including four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder, and eight counts of cruelty to children, highlighting the escalating scrutiny on parental responsibilities in safeguarding firearms. (more)
Arrest warrants said he caused the deaths of others “by providing a firearm to Colt Gray with knowledge that he was threat to himself and others.”
(Via CNN) – […] “The key issue in the case against the father here will be: recklessness, foreseeability, how he handled the gun in relation to his son,” Toobin told CNN on Thursday night.
Colin Gray could face up to 180 years in prison if convicted on all counts, state Judge Currie Mingledorff said during a Friday hearing.
Central to the case against Gray will be an interaction the father and his son had with law enforcement more than a year before Wednesday’s mass shooting; the teenager’s access to the weapon used in the attack; and what the father knew about the boy’s mental state, experts told CNN, as a portrait of the teenager’s tumultuous family life emerges.
In May 2023, law enforcement questioned Colt and his father about online threats “to commit a school shooting,” the FBI has said. Colt at the time denied making the threats, and his father told authorities his son did not have unsupervised access to hunting guns in the house.
Just seven months later, the suspect’s father purchased the firearm allegedly used in the mass shooting as a holiday present for his son, two law enforcement sources told CNN. The AR-15-style rifle was bought at a local gun store as a Christmas present, one source said. (read more)
On its face, this does seem like the action of a reckless parent in purchasing a firearm for his son just after there was evidence linking the son to online threats of violence. And yes, factually there are several precedents for parents being held criminally responsible for the actions of their minor children. However, I’m not sure about the criminal justice system being consistent and charging a parent with second degree murder.
There are hundreds of non-school fatal shootings that could be tied to the reckless action of parents, either by willful blindness or complicity; some in gang related killings.
Is it just the venue, the school shooting aspect, that suddenly draws the attention toward the father Colin Gray?
What about the youth shootings in Chicago, Los Angeles or Baltimore that are carried out by underage teens and yet the parents are never charged. What happens in those cases.
What are your thoughts about this new accountability model being placed upon the parents?
He’s white, therefore guilty of any and all crimes that can be brought to bear. The parents in Philly, Chicago, and Baltimore are primarily black, and thus oppressed, so no matter how complicit they are in their children’s crimes, will never be charged with anything. Can’t mess with the narrative.
I was going to say this but didn’t want to sound ‘racist’.
Has nothing to do with race.
everything does in a DEI society
That, plus it’s a new/backdoor way to go after guns and the 2nd Amendment; and Winder is not that far from Atlanta, don’t neglect Atlanta’s influence on the rest of Georgia.
More people die from hands, fists, feet, than rifles.
I’m not the one in need of convincing.
Amplifying and agreeing with your point. Not directed at you.
And one more thing… arrest every single parent in America who has a kid who shot someone with a gun… Here’s looking at you liberal blue cities filled with “gun violence”.
You can prove a lot of parents see their underaged kids with guns and don’t turn them in for that illegality.
Do unto them.
My first thought was legislators have whistled away at the Rights of parents to discipline their children.
That said, this case will be interesting once the state’s evidence is presented. It is one thing to allege irresponsibility and negligence, it is another to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt through the evidence the state presents.
I am not a lawyer so any thoughts I have are from a pedestrian perspective.
The social sciences of the 1960s, when all this stuff went off the rails, were wrong about many things. Idiot courts soon followed, blaming social and racial problems of the society for personal failings.
We have to go back to holding individuals responsible. Period. I am not saying the father is guilty of first degree murder, but he’s damn complicit in the death of those innocents.
Yes.
To really make an impact, such standards of accountability MUST be upheld across the board, regardless of ethnic group or social class, else it will be merely a ploy to go after guns.
Would like to see this same accountability for parents of children regarding other crimes, such as theft, graffiti, drug use, etc.
If parents won’t voluntarily discipline their children, then the parents need to be penalized for shirking their responsibility.
If the parents are not wealthy they will most likely plead. See the shit show that was Michigan’s School shooting and the Parents being treated like fugitives because they spent the night away from home while their lawyer was arranging their surrender. They were simply afraid of the neighbors not what you will see on tv.
The mother has not been charged.
See her past on ZH article yesterday about parents.
The mother’s past will blow your mind.
Thanks BK Going over the thread again and came across your amazing testimony. Still absorbing it actually.
Rarely do we get first person insights.
Think this is a message to keep guns out of kids’ hands. If I were a parent it would certianly make me think twice, whether my kid was normal or goofy.
my .02
Gun safes.
Or your .22
Face the hard truths: people of all ages have been getting away with dangerous behaviors for decades.
1) local police should be the topic. not FBI. The reach of the FBI is insane.
Also… if we are going to play this game… then Lindsey Graham is responsible for the murder of millions being the warmonger that he is.
This is guilt by association! Sorry, they can’t strip parents of all their rights and then throw the bag over their head when the kid does something horrible.
Good point. My older sister used to say that we don’t have business sitting in the sunshine of things our children do well if we aren’t willing to take the blame for the bad things.
I don’t know how old you are, but do you recall a time when a parent would NOT have bought his troubled kid a gun?
I do.
Do you remember a time when parents who locked their kids out of the house were brought before a judge and publicly humiliated?
I do.
BRING BACK SHAME.
Bring back the stocks!
We are probably going to find out that the father and mother abused these kids and CPS should have removed them from the home long ago.
The mother is a drug addicted felon!
That apparently has never served time.
May not be a felon.
Was arrested mulitple times, but nothing stated about convictions. 👀
I say that the MOST guilty parties here are the FBI and the Globalists. This is just the latest in a decade-long string of these kinds of events that THEY engineer so scare the hell out of the population.
Hmmm, a determined and creative DA could criminally charge the medical/psychological doctors who prescribe the SSRI’s that make these kids homicidal with Second Degree Murder, too, under this theory of law enforcement. AmIRight?
Yes, the doctors and maybe even some of the lib/progressive parents, schools, counselors, psychologists etc, etc. being pushers of sex change hormones.. and strange secrets that has created in American culture.
Then there’s the MKUltra type situations.. those gov ‘agencies’ always ready who take advantage hoping we the people will never figure it out. Snakes in waiting.
MK Ultra , CIA, and all the other Deep Intelligence Agency derivatives are behind this mess.
They of course will call this explanation “right wing conspiracy hockey”
But it’s true.
Virtually all these kids get seen by a psychiatrist at some point. Virtually all these kids are described as sad by somebody at some point. The psychiatrist will be considered negligent if he doesn’t offer the kid an antidepressant. That’s the reality.
Odds are that this kid was not taking the prescribed medicine, even if it was prescribed.
The problem is that this kid was in that school, physically. In the past, Americans acknowledged that the schools simply cannot be all things to all kids at all times under all circumstances.
Every single American teen in every public school today interacts with at least one very troubled schoolmate. A lot more frequently than you would want.
You will never be told just how troubled any of these kids are. Why? Because of myriad confidentiality laws and policies.
The cold, unfortunate reality is that every single American middle school and every single American high school is a lot more dangerous than you’d think.
………. BECAUSE almost all troubled teens in America are kept enrolled. Side by side with all the “normal” teens.
If I had a teenager, there’s no way that I’d permit my child to be enrolled in any American high school.
Troubled kids do not belong in a school with untroubled kids.
Everyone cannot thrive or survive in the normal situation.
I agree.
And btw , I’m no defender of Pharma— but it’s become fashionable to blame SSRIs for these tragic events. Think about it—the fact is: SSRIs are incredibly widely prescribed all over the world, in other settings — without mass shoutings …… amongst nursing home residents, amongst prison populations, amongst long term drug/alcohol residential treatment patients, suburban housewives, every conceivable subgroup of humanity..)
As long as schools are forced to keep these kids enrolled, these incidents will continue to occur. Over and over again.
Every single school district in America has some extremely disturbed teens enrolled.
That’s the problem.
No one will stop this.
So it’ll continue.
Which is why you oughtta rethink the pros vs cons of where enrolling your teen vs alternatives.
Yes FF and the kindergarten teacher that he thought laughed at him when he wet his pants. Don’t forget the local convenience store that kept selling him hostess Twinkies and Pepsi. Probably his whole family facebook group should have known lets charge them too.
how long before gun mnfctrs will be held responsible, i dont like the precedent being set due to weaponized govt picking and choosing. one manifesto released against narrative and all hell breaks loose
Perhaps, at least at the moment, there is not enough evidence to understand the ‘tumultuous family life’, so I cannot make a judgment as to any responsibility for the father. However, I do question that, once again, the FBI is given notice as to a potential issue, and, once again, allow that issue to bear fruit.
1) 180 years sounds about right
2) now apply the same to all the other mamas and daddies
I don’t agree with charging others for a crime committed by someone else. Tort negilgence is one thing. Criminal is anothe and for me needs direct involvement in the crime itself. Just my opinion. This is not good.
“I don’t agree with charging others for a crime committed by someone else…:
Don’t know why not…it’s only a short step from being charged with what you/I are thinking at any given time, introduced in the language of hate crimes several decades ago. It’s already baked in, so you’re going to have a hard time preventing it. My opinion.
Good point.
If the father had knowledge of his minor son’s mental state and willingly supplied him with a weapon, whether gun or knife or automobile, then he shares in culpability.
But this standard MUST be applied universally, not because of someone’s ethnic group or social class.
SIMILAR Concept
to a GET AWAY DRIVER
Being Charged with MURDER IN COMMISSION Of A ROBBERY “Felony Murder Rule”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule
Not to long ago a couple in Michigan were held responsible for their son’s criminal behavior. Very similar.
https://apnews.com/article/oxford-high-school-shooting-james-crumbley-d13192e4057ec00836e4ce99c17bd375
Maybe they should charge the kid’s FBI handlers.
Or his mother’s handlers by local LE as a confidential informant. 😉
New Rules; eh?
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What does
“with knowledge that he was threat to himself and others”
and
“and what the father knew about the boy’s mental state”
mean ?
If law enforcement knew what the father knew
-law enforcement people should be charged the same as the father. No?
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-WHEN
“motive” verses “mental state”
and
“knowledge”
matters🤔
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How about
the attempted assassination of President Trump,
two wounded
and one murdered
—shooter’s father?
and the FBI
Interesting that this is such a “fast paced” story when there are still many outstanding issues involving the Crooks attempted assassination on President Trump.
Are Crooks parents being held/questioned? Where are the phone records, and the geo-location information on Crooks cell phone? Why is Crooks such a “mystery” (still no motive, how did he set up so many “invisible” foreign accounts, what about the bombs and bomb-making materials, etc.) and yet the FBI/GBI was “johnny on the spot” knowing everything about this father and son? Oh, and I forgot to mention he was on their radar before it happened.
Statistics are showing that these “kids” who are on gender altering drugs are more inclined to perpetrate heinous crimes. What about the “doctors” who prescribe these drugs? Why aren’t they being held responsible for crimes their patients commit?
I smell a rat.
Quite frankly, I can’t wait for these corrupt agencies to be dismantled! They do not serve American citizens and it’s time to scrub the planet of these shills. There’s an ulterior motive here, somewhere along the line. You can’t believe anything they put out. There’s no honesty or truth in them. It’s all about political games.
Oh, and before I let it go, has anyone checked to determine whether this father and son are republican or democrat?
No doubt they’re democrat, the party of no law and order.
an assassination attempt or a school shooting.
which will be in the headlines longer.
already forgot the assassination
Sounds like they are leading up to something more significant….like the gun manufacturers?
Horrific Right Wing Propaganda (but true) …
https://x.com/violetbfox/status/1279068981115129857
1) the crooks MAN was of legal age.
2) the crooks parents are being investigated and they are lawyered up.
3) unless there is direct evidence they assisted in some way other than just being the parent of an ADULT child who committed murder, they probably will not be arrested or faced punishment.
My thought is that this man is more responsible than a lot of parents, because the FBI had already visited him about his kid, and he went ahead and gave the kid a gun anyway.
My problem with this is, is there a specific law on the books to cover this, or are they just trying to bend the law to cover what they want it to cover?
FBI didn’t visit them. They referred it to local law enforcement.
Thank you.
So, the FBI referred it to local cops, who did not have the resources they would need for when the kid simply said “it wasn’t me”, and that was that.
“Allegedy” given a gun by thr father is the way the media actually phrased it.
Same thing I was thinking and have asked what about…
IMO This is the lefts attempt to villainize guns and attack the 2nd amendment.
I also asked wtheck is a “AR-style” rifle?
“The AR-15-style rifle was bought at a local gun store as a Christmas present, one source said.”
One source? what?
If you or anyone has noticed-there is not 1 picture or ounce of information on the gun used-NONE other than the medias description. NONE!
It is the same thing that happened in Sandy Hook when they said an AR was used when it wasn’t-the rifle was still in the trunk of the kids car. I don’t think it was an Armalite Rifle either. In fact, Wikipedia 14 hrs ago just added – a definition of what a “AR (15) Style” rifle is. Apparently, they say it’s a “lightweight semi=automatic rifle based on or similar to the Colt AR-15 design” Okay that explains alot-eye roll.
The fact that all the media and hyper outraged anti-gun nuts immediately call the gun an AR just adds to the hype. They forgot the -15- part tho.
The fact that an AR “style” rifle can be any long gun like a .22 hunting rifle or sporting rifle. (Which I believe is what was bought)
It’s the words they use to conflate or obfuscate to promote their agenda. Saying the kid used a hunting rifle to commit a shooting doesn’t have quite the same impact as saying it was an ‘assault rifle & weapon of war’ to gin up the activists.
All over social media its said “we have to end gun violence” – make no mistake this isn’t about the shooting -its about getting rid of our guns.
This prosecution of the parents is one more nail in the 2nd amendment and ammo for their quest for ‘reasonable gun safety laws’ like we don’t already have those. pun intended.
With so few facts available I’m reluctant to comment on this case, but assuming that what little we have been told is true, I can see charging the father as an “accessory” to murder and manslaughter. There are probably child endangerment laws that the father is also guilty of. But I can’t cross the mental chasm of blaming one person for the violent physical actions of another person. We are all responsible and accountable for our own actions, or at least we should be.
The only “facts” we have are from the media-and often much of that is mostly fabricated. There’s all kinds of stuff going around.
I’m going to use the Bongino rule – wait 48-72 hours. Story always changes.
The March to remove children from their parents has begun. Tennessee has opened a boarding school for at risk children. NY Post had an article this week with Teachers blaming parents for not preparing their children for school. They have a long term plan to indoctrinate not educate and make them good little proles that do not question their betters. Just like them removing us by importing new “citizens”; they are going to remove the children from us.
Completely agree.
If at all humanly possible, get your kids and grandkids out of public schools, and don’t feed them processed foods.
Good questions, Sundance. I’ll add one more, “Why aren’t they charging the father of Trump’s shooter?”
When I first heard about charging the father, I immediately felt this was a CYA. It feels like a distraction. It feels like a scapegoat. The father knew, but so did the FBI. In this case, they didn’t drive the shooter to school that day, but they didn’t do anything to stop him either.
Now that the father is charged, nobody is asking about why the school wasn’t locked down when they received the call about being one of five targeted schools for a shooting that day. Nobody is asking about the security protocols that were broken or ignored to let this happen in the first place.
Everyone is talking about the father.
i laughed when i read that.
we do good at mocking. there has to be a step after that where we are just done wording it out
And NOT the mother.
Why?
The GBI arrested a retired police detective and his son when they confronted a Black jogger surveilling a house under construction in Glynn County on their street. While waiting for the police to arrive the “jogger” grabbed the barrel of the rifle pointed at him which discharged and killed him. Gov Kemp has the case removed from the local DA and had the DA arrested because she refused to prosecute matter. The retired officer was a DA detective in her office. There was evidence that the retired detective had arrested the “jogger” several years earlier for carrying a concealed handgun at a high school event.
Anyway, that’s justice in Georgia which seems to be a pretty F’d up state.
He’s a 14 year old mentally disturbed kid that lives at home. Not only that, the father actually bought the weapon that killed 4 people. Of course the parent(s) are responsible. The kid didn’t and couldn’t buy the gun so his father did. Reports suggest the kid was being bullied AT SCHOOL because he was gay.
Would you take the car keys from your senile parent?
kid would have found a way.
something was tormenting that child so much that this was the only thing he could do (in his mind)
bullying was bad and just part of life – I can’t imagine what its like with social media (framing you in some way and sending it everywhere humiliating you), drugs (adderal, xanex), this endless genders and hypergay (not balanced) environment
Sorry to be so hostile but, if it was your kid or parent shot and killed by this adolescent you might feel a little different!
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Is there a divorce/custody case pending? If so, there may be a lot of facts as well as allegations (true or false or just exaggerated stuff) that might shed light.
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How could the kid have been being bullied at school when it was a new school and the shooting occurred on his first full day there?
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If I had my way the son would be hanged and the father would go to prison.
We had a school shooter in my little hometown a few years ago.
The guy shot two people as they left the high school prom. A police officer shot him dead.
President Trump honored him and some other officers at the white house.
What happens to the fib liars, they were aware of the youth, but did nothing for 13 months are they held accountable?
Yep.
The supervisor on this case ought to be charged with aiding and abetting.
Now Sundance,, you know they’re not going to start changing members of a certain color, for the acts of their kids.however,in this case, they’re a different hue,,so,, they’ll throw the book at the guy. The real question is, should the government be enforcing parental rights?if so, how long before you get charged for your son or daughter dieing because of obesity? A strange thing to be sure
Rights and responsibility are two sides of the coin of individual autonomy.
To me a lot would depend on the type of gun. For that age I may purchase a 022 rifle of a 410 shotgun. The kid could use My deer rifle for hunting or My hand guns for target practice on My property (yes, I have a small pistol range marked off in the orchard). So I guess my answer would partially depend on the type of gun for that kid and what was his age. As for being questioned by the fbi? Well they would have to show me some pretty good proof it was my kid and their believability here is pretty much nil.
Sorry, should be a .22 rifle not 022. Just lazy typing on my part.
The police had already visited the father because the boy made death threats online about the school. Buying the kid anything beyond a water pistol was reckless.
please clean up your grammar….Really !
people on this site are interested in your view, but don’t want to wade thru crap to read it…
The injustice system in this country is a revolving door business. The criminals are in and out, over and over. And the police, lawyers, bail bondsman, judges, etc., are guaranteed a job.
It’s welfare for criminal defence lawyers who are almost exclusively Bolsheviks! There’s no way you could do the job otherwise.
The sign over the Public Defender’s Office entrance in Chicago says…
“Doesn’t everybody deserve an 11th chance!”
This is nothing more than the lawfare approach to ending the 2nd amendment. Imagine you allowed your child to drive your deadly weapon, I mean car and they killed someone. Should you go to jail for life?
If the child was an underage kid who you knew to have an alcohol addiction and you knew the police already picked him up for DUI, and you handed him the keys?
Yep.
…only if it’s an IC car. If he kills someone with your Tesla it’s okay!
I think they’re going to have a very hard time proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in the case of the father. He purchased a legal weapon, which his son was legally allowed to possess.
How is he supposed to know his son is disturbed enough to commit a school massacre? Even the FBI thought he was harmless.
This isn’t a situation where the parents failed to secure it and then a minor accessed firearms they aren’t legally allowed to possess (i.e. a handgun)
Total BS.
Dad knew his son was disturbed as do you with a limited amount of info !
Not saying he wasn’t. But proving it is another matter.
My thoughts exactly, Sundown.
Smell Check strokes again!
strange, but parents have no rights when their child wants to transition to the other sex, but give a gun to a young teenager, then the parent(s) is an accomplice.
They want a scalp. But the kid is gay and was bullied relentlessly supposedly, so he probably will get a victimhood pass to some degree. Therefore the dad, who is a hunter, and White, must pay the price.
I think parents SHOULD be held responsible for their kids, but I also think the father is going to get a harsher punishment than his son just because the son is now a “victim class” citizen in the eyes of the culture. What a screwed up society we now live in.
I thought the kid looked kind of fruity
If your 8 year old shoots out a neighbor’s window with the bb gun you just bought him, you have to pay for the window. It’s up to you to teach responsibility to these kids. Ultimately, the parent is the responsible party until age 18. If the kid does something so horrible that he needs to be locked away for the safety of the public, I’d say the parent played no small role, and does bear some responsibility. Second degree murder sounds about right in this case, to me. But, the same thing should apply to the parents of all the little “gangsters” that are out there killing people. This should be common sense. But, I guess it’s just one opinion.
I concur.
The parents of under age gang bangers and thieves and drug dealers, etc. need to be accountable for their kids actions.
But this needs to be applied universally, regardless of ethnic group or economic status.
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Aren’t parents held responsible if kids are truant from school?
.
NOT
In CHICAGO
i KNEW an Employee of the Chicago Area Schools that ALSO Coached College Sports –
HE Told me that the Parents
” WOULD JUST LOOK AT ME, Say ” WHY THE HELL WOULD i KNOW Where So and So IS ? ” & SLAM the DOOR ”
He QUIT being a TRUANCY OFFICER after the SECOND Year. ( and ALMOST Get SHOT Several Times )
Was Lanza’s mom indicted for 2nd degree murder. She took him to the gun range all the time
No, because she was the first one he killed that day.
But she CAN still vote Democrat!
She still does vote I bet……
Wow, I had forgotten that
Remember, the mom hired a lawyer and psychiatrist then went to court begging a judge to have the kid committed because he was dangerous. Incredibly, the judge sided with the boy and mom was his first victim shortly afterwards. As it turns out the judge was wrong because the kid was dangerous but nothing went any further with the judge. It was the gun manufacturer who was sued into bankruptcy in spite of the law which provided immunity to gun manufacturers. On top of that the court refused to unseal the kids psychiatric records in the trial leaving the Remington Arms defenseless and filing bankruptcy when they had no culpability whatsoever!
I don’t recall a case where the killer and his father were visited by LEO after making dire threats and the father went out a few months later and bought a rifle for the killer. At the same time, it’s never about justice. From the DOJ point of view, it’s about gun control, whites, and the upcoming election.
No one knows their father in chicago, LA, Baltimore etc
not a democrat, I’d wager.
Unless the father equipped the kid, drove him to school and was waiting to drive him away, there should be NO charging the father. This is nothing more than the anti-gun lobby threatening gun owning parents to disarm. These anti-gun fanatics have required home safes with fingerprint opening, lockable triggers, etc. yet EVERY kid we’ve seen as a shooter has been programmed, on SSRIs and groomed for the task.
It’s time the anti-gun lobby is met with counter balancing propaganda and gaslighting. America has been on a slippery slope of eliminating personal responsibility to the point shoplifters stealilng under $1000 or organized/sanctioned activists who ravage through cities in violent protests burning everything in sight is held responsible for their own acts. And we wonder how illegals are left to rape at will, take over apartment buildings or scam govt relief programs…
My parents bought me a shotgun when I was 13 to hunt with. I was the sole person responsible for the shotgun.
Seeing gun racks in the back windows of trucks with shotguns/rifles in them was very common growing up.
Kids were bullied back then, but no one went on a killing rampage.
It’s a different world today , but to blame the parent for the actions of kids just rub’s me the wrong way.
It’s the politicians that have created the environment we now find ourselves in, not the parents.
violence couldnt be marketed.
our childhoods were very violent. but everything seemed to work out mostly for everyone.
Adderal is a problem. Very few get tired and normal while taking it. – meaning they dont need it
They both denied the posting on discord, but no parent would gift a gun to a child after a visit from the FBI.
Does this story make sense?
No.
They are charging him as an adult, and he’s the size of a 12 year old.
I agree with those above stating this would be a bad precedent.
In the source article it does state that this is only the second time this (charging the parent) has been attempted.
It appears they are attempting to shoehorn in the 2d deg Mur charges via “child endangerment”.
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2022/title-16/chapter-5/article-1/section-16-5-1/
You can find the law for Manslaugh here.
I tried to find the actual charging document, but the Warrant Link at the Sheriff’s website redirects to inmate lookup.
Anyway, bad idea.
Once the camel gets it’s nose under the tent you will soon have the whole camel.
I am, and always have been, a firm supporter of our Second Amendment rights. I received a 22 LR rifle as a Christmas present when I was eight years old. That was a different time and a different America. My family were all hunters, and the rifle was a method to introduce me to the proper use of a rifle. It wasn’t a toy, it was a tool and could be deadly if abused. In this day and time, especially in the case of what the father had to know was a disturbed youth, not only not having a locked gun safe, but buying an AR-15 for him as a present was inexcusable. The charges against the father might seem harsh, but he definitely was/is an “accessory before the fact”. Race, by the way, has nothing to do with it. The ghetto boys are frequently the sons of unwed mothers, who get their male role modeling from gang bangers, not fathers or responsible male adult family members.
So I point to the case of Biden/Harris who intentional actions lead to violence, murder, rape, sex trafficking, and drug problems and deaths.
Their toll is much greater than what the Gray family has produced.
As a parent, grandparent and great grand parent of many, I think it is about time that those who become parents, no matter how that may have happened, need to take the blessings seriously!
Many parents are NOT good parents, reckless, selfish and simply too drugged up to be healthy for any child. I think the killer’s mother should be arrested for not being there when the killer was younger. She was a selfish witch doing HER thing, leaving her children unattended and without structure because she is without structure.
Yes both parents are responsible for the attitude of this 14 yr old. I do believe his dad is responsible. The boy had serious allocations made against him…he is obviously a disturbed kid (just being around his mom takes care of that) should have never been allowed to handle fire arms. His dad is not much better than the mom. The dad bought the rifle AFTER the cops interviewed them…why? You do not try to get a kid to be more rational by making his primary interest weapons and h0w to kill deer. The dad is not bright.
Also, I don’t necessarily think the kid was bullied. The father is the one carrying that story. He is covering for his kid. By the way, it is said that the dad was severely beaten and abuse all through out his own childhood. Does anyone think he perhaps abused this killer?
The 14 yr old knew what he was doing. He festered on it. His dad enabled him to carry out his original threats…yeah, arrest his ass. Maybe not the murder charges, but he is partly responsible. Parents may be forced to take care of their kids…and that includes the more well to do parents. Money and stuff does not equal good parenting.
I’m always so sad when I see kids in an environment where I know the they have very little hope of coming out healthy and well adjusted. Too many psychopaths bringing children in to the world who won’t love and cherish their gift.
From the perspective of one who lives within the county and was out (with my wife) in close proximity of the school where this senseless and evil act occurred, I am staying as much informed as I possibly can with this.
Reports that have come out so far indicate that the father did not act as responsibly as he should have.
Nothing has been stated publicly by any media so far, but I have a very good inclination to believe there are some problem issues in the life of that teenager which the media does not wish to make public. I know from seeing Sheriff’s Office reports that there definitely were some Father and Mother issues.
I pray for the teen, his father, and every person in Barrow County, Georgia because this is an event that is having a profound impact (both negative and positive) upon the entire community.
I can only thank my Lord that I taught my son proper respect for firearms when he was growing up.
I find the go after the parent criminally to be a bit much Here in Michigan the waters were tested. No change of venue and dad and soon mom with be imprisoned with the hopes of the Mob that they will be gang raped and killed there.
I am disgusted with the Mob. When I began openly questioning the wisdom of of making parents responsible for the actions of their children and to be able to psychically predict when there child would suddenly live out homicidal thoughts. It was as if I was pulling the trigger on those children. The Mob wanted blood and the school district wanted to hide their obvious mishandling of the case.
This is a slippery slope. the first thing that will happen is those children who parents feel they may not have full control over will start being dropped into foster care. A system where they are more likely to encounter triggering events. The righteously indignant will continue to demand blood and legislation. Red flag laws will include all family members and then friends and then friends of family members.
We will see what this young mans access to guns really were. As the left gleefully rubs their hands and begin the discussion about how unchristian it is to buy a gun for Christmas ask a few questions.
If you had a child who had homicidal tendencies who saw the gun as an extension of power?. Would you want to increase the mystery and power of the weapon or would you do as we have done with fire and children for hundreds of years “tools not toys”.
If you had a homicidal teen in your house would you give him a gun to keep under his bed or would you restrict his access for his and your own safety if nothing else.
This case, as the Michigan case was, will be blanketed in emotions. Few will ever find out the truth. Each “progressive” case will become less and less about parental action, and more and more about daring to have a weapon in the home that someone might steal from a locked drawer or a safe.
Another question: If the FBI shows up at my door and asks me about my guns and how they are stored I will go out the next day and buy more guns. That would be my organic boot strap reaction.
One last quick question? Has anyone suggested charging the mother and father psychologists of Trump’s shooter? As Arte Johnsons Laugh in Character use to say ” Interesting isn’t it”.