Not surprisingly, a few people viewed my research presentation of JD Vance through a prism of negativity. [SEE HERE] We have many new readers who are not as in-tune with the details of how the bad parts of the DC surveillance state work. So, let me take you behind the scenes a little and expand for context.
Nothing written about the data set, the facts within the JD Vance storyline, is incorrect. Everything is cited, accurate and factually true. However, when you get into the intent and consequence part, that’s when people start to become emotional. Some clarity is needed.
Commenter Freedom Ring provides a good example. FR says, “JD has an association with Theil [sp?] & Musk; this could be worded to be a positive or negative, but the article paints it as a negative.”
This is correct. The research article positions the relationship between JD Vance and Peter Thiel as a serious challenge, here’s why.
Since his original endorsement of Donald Trump in 2016, a good thing, billionaire tech executive Peter Thiel has expanded his company, Palantir Technology, to be the leading edge of a data-processing system. The Palantir tech is designed to use artificial intelligence (AI) to crawl through massive sets of surveillance data, phone data, facial recognition data, metadata (writ large) etc.
In essence Palantir Tech is receiving government contracts (Defense and Intel) to use the Palantir AI tools to analyze/filter a massive amount of electronic data, and take action based on results from the data, or what might be called SIGNIT (Signals Intelligence). There are billions at stake in this relationship.
In short, Thiel has a vested financial interest in providing AI surveillance filtration tools to the U.S. government.
Ok fine. That’s just a simple acceptance of what Thiel’s company does now. And Thiel recruited JD Vance back in 2012/2013 while at Yale law school, and personally financed JD’s entry into the world of politics in 2020/2021. I won’t repeat all the citations but suffice to say, without Thiel there is no Senator/VP Vance. Thiel leveraged his relationship with Donald Trump to get JD Vance the Ohio primary endorsement in 2022, and the rest is history. Fair enough. Nothing disputed.
Here’s where things get sticky….
Thiel’s company Palantir Tech provides the AI metadata analytic tools used by the U.S. government in their national security efforts. The government access to that metadata comes, in part, as an outcome of the legislative FISA authorization. As a consequence, eliminating, say… FISA(702) surveillance processes, is against the financial interests of Peter Thiel. If the U.S. government cannot access the dataset, the U.S. govt doesn’t need Palantir’s AI filtration tech. That’s just the nature of the relationship.
Again, this is just a cold, factual acceptance of the situation.
Would JD Vance support the elimination of FISA(702), FISA Courts, or the National Security Division of the DOJ (something that forms the foundation of removing the worst elements of the Deep State), knowing that action would be adverse to the interests of his benefactor and mentor, Peter Thiel?
Again, just a question. Perhaps he would, perhaps not; however, a review of history shows the odds are not in our favor.
I mean, there is a reason why Thiel recruited, financed, supported and guided Vance to the position he is now in, correct?
Elon Musk’s entire business model, sans X (maybe – lol) is contingent upon government contracts and policy.
Regardless of his altruistic disposition, or lack thereof, Musk’s enterprises, Tesla and Space-X, do not exist without direct government funding or indirect govt support via policy. Peter Thiel is essentially in the same position with Palantir Tech, unless the U.S. Government gave him permission to sell his services to foreign adversaries. Not likely.
Many are looking at JD Vance as the guy, maybe one of the ‘guys’, who can finally confront the worst elements of the Deep State. However, the worst elements of the Deep State, the surveillance and control silos, are in a synergistic relationship with Vance’s benefactors. Will Vance willingly tear apart the surveillance state, that will create a negative financial outcome for those who put him into office? My note of caution is ‘don’t get your hopes up.’
I mean, seriously think about it. Musk puts up USG satellites that monitor stuff. The low-earth-orbit monitoring results (data signals) are returned to the USG. The data signals are then analyzed by AI tech created by Thiel.
Another way to look at it…. Musk puts the camera on your face. Thiel tells the govt where you went.
♦ BIG PICTURE – Are the newest group of billionaire Silicon Valley tech leaders currently supporting MAGA Trump/Vance, really a modern assembly of the Green Dragon rebels in Boston, plotting the next Tea Party rebellion. Or are they simply just the other side of a new modern Technocratic control system, aligned with and dependent on government?
The Obama-era ‘Technocracy‘ was based on public-private partnerships with social media. This was the origin of the surveillance state that now scours, controls, filters, censors and ultimately monetizes your social media data profile. The operational and business model is cemented into the process now. Everyone accepts it. Terms and conditions apply, and if you don’t agree, you can’t use.
Is the pending Trump-era ‘Technocracy‘ a rebrand, pushing social media off to the side (that part is done) and bringing data processing control agents, artificial intelligence software designers, big money venture capitalists, banks and those who are creating digital id systems. Does Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Ackman, David Sacks, Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg and Vivek Ramaswamy, now occupy the empty chairs around the table of Technocracy?
Was the 5/10-year business model in the mind of tech billionaire Peter Thiel what led him to recruit JD Vance in 2013. Was it a financial decision blended with ideology to guide, finance and support JD Vance all the way to 2022 and 2024? Was JD Vance an investment?
Truly, I suspect our gut knows the answer.
That’s why my approach is to say, “here’s the factual data – trust your instincts.”
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Around this time someone will snark, saying my assembling this perspective indicates President Trump is an idiot, or something.
NO! President Trump is not stupid, or naïve!
CTH has painstakingly outlined how the silo process within the Deep State works. You have more information about that process. You have more knowledge about that process.
All of us, courtesy of dozens of brilliant researchers here and in lots of other places on the internet, have a far more comprehensive understanding of how the systems within the DC administrative state work than any subset of professional politicians or their staff.
Are you stupid or naïve? No. None of us are.
However, many of us are sick and tired of having the virtue of our patriotism weaponized against us. For reference see DHS, ODNI, CISA, TSA, The Patriot Act, or any other of the myriads of crisis-created legislative solutions, later turned into tools by bad actors that inevitably diminish freedom.
I was sitting at dinner with a good person, who happened to be the head, the tipy-top, of one of the most connected IC silos in Washington DC, and that person laughed recalling situations where they walked into their office many days and frustratingly shouted at their staff, “who the f**k is leaking information to this guy,” meaning me. No one was leaking anything, and the entire organization was just as surprised as the leader of it.
My point is that many ordinary Americans know far more about the interconnectedness of DC silo operations, than the people within the individual silos can fathom. They are stuck inside a purposefully created system of compartmentalization; we are not.
The overwhelming odds are that you know more than your federal representative. That fact doesn’t make you smarter than President Donald J Trump, it just means you have a different set of researched datapoints that create a different understanding.
Additionally, President Trump doesn’t “vett” anyone, someone else does the “vetting” for him. That vetting helps him to make decisions, it doesn’t exclusively determine the final decision.
No one is stupid in this discussion. No one knows all the information. The fact-finding is a process of information assembly, that permits guidance to decision making. That’s it.
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) might have been a good decision at the time, until it starts getting weaponized later on.
Given the nature of the political landscape, Senator JD Vance was a good selection for Veep. A candidate for the office of the vice-presidency that will hopefully position President Trump and the people around him to be able to start putting countermeasures into place that will stop this government weaponization, a seemingly out of control surveillance state.
Senator JD Vance helps to unite the various Republican clans.
Perhaps more valuable, his selection reduces the possibility of the Silicon Valley Technocrats to work against OUR interests – as we look to control THEIR influence.
More importantly, Senator JD Vance makes winning in November of 2024 more likely. That’s the key value in his personage.
Perhaps Vance is a tool, perhaps he’s an ally, who knows. However, we must understand the context of everything that comes with him, nothing more.
Trust God, and for everyone else – watch them like a hawk, while you live your best life.
If we win in November, we then have an opportunity to start putting countermeasures and guardrails into place that will seemingly impede the efforts of the bad operators within each IC silo. Simultaneously, we need to identify who each bad actor is.
This mission then becomes the reversal of weaponization we desperately need.
I am optimistic about victory in November. However, I am also comprehensive about the nature of the enemy we face.
I recently suggested, partly tongue in cheek, for congress to enact legislation that simply says:
If any president dies during his term in office, all actionable authorization within agencies of the CIA, FBI, DNI and DHS is immediately revoked, until such a time as new legislative authorities can be debated, assembled and reauthorized by congress.
Daisy… Daisy…
Love to all.
Thank you, Sundance!
Love you, MAGA Brother!!!
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I guess my hopium is that the Big Surveillance State won’t shut out 1/2 the population from the political process. That’s not likely – so it’s hopium.
Kind of like the Green Dragoners didn’t want to eliminate 1/2 the population (Tories) from their new political process? Don’t know my history well enough – just looking at the post-Revolution / Constitution set up: didn’t seem to eliminate Tories.
Acceptance of what is / not pretending: there is a surveillance state. Is it going to catch real bad guys; or call me a bad guy and severely restrict my freedoms?
It is not after bad guys it is all about the control of actors through Blackmail. I hope I am not right, but it sure explains why some people in office do the exact opposite of what you know what they would want to do.
The Glorious Revolution eliminated Catholics in England and New England.
“… Trust God, and for everyone else – watch them like a hawk, while you live your best life …”
Thank you Sundance.
Agree … and as I stated in another Sundance thread concerning Trump’s likely choice of Vance … “after what Trump has been through – BEFORE his assassination attempt – if he chooses Vance, it’s because he knows something we don’t … looks like Sundance is AGAIN helping WeThePeople to “connect the dots”.
The old adage applies:
keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
I posted this last night, but am posting again because it’s the visual.
That needs to be our hands in control of the snakes, via a restored Constitution and an unimpeachable, unhackable voting system.
Here is some research about Thiel/Vance along similar lines, with video of an interview with Whitney Webb about the subject
https://paulcollits.substack.com/p/the-peter-thiel-threat
Interesting article about seven people supposedly influencing Vance: Maverick Philosopher: Seven Supposed Influencers of J. D. Vance (typepad.com)
Vance was not my hope that Trump would choose for VP but the decision has been made. Of course others do the bulk of the vetting, but so does Trump. It is in his books and those that know and work with him say how he comes to making his final decisions. I don’t know why he chose Pence (never liked or trusted him) or Vance. Because of Trump choosing Pence, however, we found out the slime-ball traitor that we suspected and that he is and his political career is over. But Trump has his reasons for choosing Vance that we will find out in due time. IMHO, Trump gave Vance a warning on Thursday night in his speech that he is watching him like a hawk. That’s a very good thing.
So my guess is FISA reauthorization is a layup for the DS now?
Trump had an opportunity to push to end that program while President…He did not. Why I can only guess. Hopefully he will go after the Patriot Act this go around. I am sure he knows it will be a JFK moment. Like the “shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces” threat.
I’ll premise by stating I have not read “Hillbilly Elegy” or seen the movie.
I don’t understand how and in what way Yale Law student Vance was recruited in 2012-13 by Peter Thiel or how everything came via Peter Thiel and Eric Schmidt, but mostly Thiel.
“From this timeline we can see how JD Vance went from no money (student loans) in 2013, to big money in 2020. Everything came via Peter Thiel and Eric Schmidt, but mostly Thiel.”
Not necessarily the best source, Wikipedia, states Vance attended Yale Law on nearly a full ride scholarship. He allegedly graduated Ohio State in two years with a double major in Philosophy and Political Science. This means he would have still had two academic years of GI Bill left. And also post 9/11 GI Bill went into effect in August 2009, believe at the time could option to switch to post 9/11 even if already having received benefits under Montgomery. It is highly unlikely anyone could double major in those subjects and graduate summa cum laude in two years without entering with substantial relevant/pre-requisite transferable academic units, meaning he must have been taking courses while serving in the Marines and/or had a lot of AP credit from high school. In any event, it is unlikely he had much if any student loan debt upon graduating from Yale Law School.
Vance graduated from high school in 2003, served four years in the Marine, 2003-2007, attended Ohio State two years graduating 2009, and Wikipedia states that at the time worked for Republican state senator Bob Schuler. Then he attended Yale Law graduating in 2013, so am guessing Fall 2010 to Spring 2013. If so, not clear what he did 2009-2010, was he working for Ohio state senator Bob Schuler at that time?
Wikipedia states he clerked for Judge David Bunning, US District Court Eastern Kentucky, then worked for just under two years for Sidley Austin, a Chicago headquartered law firm whose alumni include Baraq and Michele Obama. He then moved to San Francisco working for Peter Thiel’s Mithril Capital 2016-2017.
I want to know if military intelligence immediately recognized that JD was obviously a genius and scooped him right up before anything or anyone else could else could.
If he’s a genius, how was this only learned in his young adult life?
Something isn’t making sense here..
If he was a genius, a whole lot of this would have shown up when he was a child.
They would have known this when he was in elementary school.
“Perhaps more valuable, his selection reduces the possibility of the Silicon Valley Technocrats to work against OUR interests – as we look to control THEIR influence”….thank you SD for drilling down to the nub of the matter and helping me understand this all better……..I may be making this too simplistic, but for me this is the easiest way for me to understand JD and getting in bed with the “technocrats”…
Of course you could have written a very similar critique of a certain Donald Trump back in 2016. Lot’s of ‘links” and ‘connections” and ‘associations” to assorted bad actors, from the Clinton’s to Jeffery Epstein. In fact Trump himself is connected to Peter Thiel.
You can’t just look at person X, say he is “linked” or “associated” to Bad Person Y, and therefore X is likewise bad.
Not remotely the same. Vance is groomed/owned.
A famous man in his 70s who literally met most well-known people over his many decades of being famous and living in major cities knowing or having met all kinds of people not the same as a fake hillbilly from lower class Cincy suburbs being found/funded/ and placed in office by a technocrat billionaire.
“Fake hillbilly”?!!!
JD Vance grew up in hillbilly territory and culture. So, why do you say “fake”?
I have no doubt that Vance is expert in Hillbilly ways, culture, challenges, +. I view that knowledge and his life experiences as assets.
26 + million people
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia
I was born in hillbilly territory as were my parents, and their parents and their parents… heck, , might be related to Daniel Boone (due to a marriage).
Yale is an hour from where I grew up and live now. I do know that even an uneducated (not book smart is what they call that) hillbilly has a unique quality of heightened instinct – they all do!
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Yah. To add, it’s completely possible to do college in two years if very motivated, and that once someone is in grad school at Yale or Harvard, they get into the networking thing. Also noting that Vance did actually work as a lawyer for a couple years.
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“JD Vance grew up in hillbilly territory and culture. So, why do you say “fake”?
This hillbilly territory?
Wright Patterson Airforce Base Dayton, Ohio, in Greene and Montgomery counties.
The Air Force’s National Air Intelligence Center (NAIC) the Space Force’s National Space Intelligence Center (NSIC) are also garrisoned there and are the Intelligence Community’s primary organizations for strategic air and space threat analysis.
I do believe so. And Vance was a civilian prior to enlisting in the U.S. Marines.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2024/07/16/with-trump-pick-jd-vance-is-first-post-911-vet-on-major-party-ticket/
IMHO, It sounds like Mr Theil has bought himself a puppet! A Puppet who is now the anointed nominee for VPOTUS… And therefore, President TRUMP is now ONCE AGAIN stuck w/ yet another NeverTrumper very close to him and his Family. My How Things Have Changed. And all the Congress Critters are still wasting and will continue to waste Time and Money on their useless, Nay, Impotent Hearings, Committees, and special Councils of Naught! What a Freaking CIRCUS we support! Nothing will change until We the People develope a spine and stand up in their way, evict, arrest, AUDIT, and prosecute each and every one of them. They are just Parisites on our Nation.
So Theil gave him the Senate seat – DJT *gave* him the VP seat and maybe chance to be a POTUS. So, one could say who gave him the better deal??? – Just sayyyiiinnn….
Whitney Webb has some good research:
Take, for example, the Thiel-backed Clearview AI – which claims to now be able to identify every person in the world using its advanced facial recognition system. As Unlimited Hangout contributor Stavroula Pabst noted in a recent report:
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2024/07/investigative-reports/the-man-behind-trumps-vp-pick-its-worse-than-you-think/
As its own CEO stated, Clearview AI was used extensively on January 6th and later boasted of its “potential for identifying rioters at the January 6 attack on the Capitol.” In a 2023 interview, New York Times reporter Kashmir Hill added that, not only was Clearview AI used at the Capitol that day, but also in the days and weeks that followed to identify alleged rioters:
Which totally explains why they found and identified both Scaffold Commander and the Pipe Bomber so quickly.
Oh, wait . . .
Only the enemies of the state are visible to the people running the tech.
“When the insurrection hppened …. ”
No need to read even one more word after reading that.
No, not really. Vance is hated by the globalist wing of the GOP, which is the majority of them in Congress. Vance’s value is that he makes it less likely that Congress removes Trump from office for opposing their number one priority … the war against Russia.
Sundance, I have a question. I know that many of Trumps picks, including Pence for VP, were dictated by others or limited by the vetting process. Did Trump freely pick JD Vance, or was his selection artificially limited? By the way, thanks for all the hard evidence. I was getting very frustrated with the color of ties, absence of tie tacks and kids’ names arguments. I can never win an argument by saying someone is a black hat because he wore a blue tie. I greatly appreciate the updates.
That must be a deep concern of many Americans .
Was PDJT ordered by the black hats to choose JD Vance?
Washer threatened by the Evil Ones?
Sundance’s thinking, and his contacts, is first rate. It’s almost exclusively why I come to this site.
I do have one major disagreement at the edges with some: my military background leads me to the same conclusion in all instances – the guy at the top (the CiC/Prez) is ultimately always accountable if it happens on his watch.
I support PDJT and will continue so because, in my ledger, the plusses far outweigh the minuses. But the accountability tag falls in the President’s lap. It can’t be forever “it was the people around him, advising him.” You can’t fix holes in the dam if you don’t admit they exist.
So since Thiel and Musk are putting all their eggs in the Trump/Vance basket one can only surmise that they are also aiming their AI and other technology assets at the democrats to thwart some of the cheating and malfeasance in the November election to ensure Trump gets elected so their Vance investment pays off for them.
That’s an optimistic assessment.
My guess is that PDJT selected Vance with a view towards improving his electoral potential.
I believe he is a poor choice for reasons other than mentioned here. I feel he is far too inexperienced to be able to rise to the requirements of the Presidency, which for me should be the prime determinant for the selection of a Veep.
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Inexperienced at what? His IQ is orders of magnitude above the usual politician, and he’s got military, law, tech, and business exec experience. It’s a combo way over every single other name that was floated for VP.
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Orders of magnitude? That ain’t saying very much!
If only the people who read what you are saying would actually comprehend what you are saying before making the hate filled emotional posts.
Hate filled? I see disagreement, questions and firm belief of certain points. But, hate? No.
I was turned on to Treehouse by a commenters at Breitbart in 2015.
In close to ten years I have been amazed by SD’s apparent prescience.
Rarely. Very rarely is he less than 100% in his work.
I couldn’t stand JDV after the way he trashed VSGDJT. As time passed I like many others was lulled into thinking he had realized the error of his way. SD lays out a bread crumb trail for us to follow and it looks like it goes right to a wolf.
If J.D. Vance is the WRONG choice for VP, are we to assume Donald Trump has flawed judgment?
Remember, Jesus chose men as HIS disciples who were flawed.
If we decide to TRUST NO ONE, are we refusing then to trust God Almighty? All men are God’s creations. Is there no room for Divine assistance to show us the way forward when we have grave doubts?
Is the person you married and love deeply without flaws? DON’T WE ALL FALL SHORT OF PERFECTION as human beings?
Jesus also chose Judas, knowing exactly what Judas would do.
That may turn out to be the better analogy. It certainly was the correct one for Pence.
Let’s see what happens.
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Pence has always been a midwit. Career politician with absolutely NO credentials (radio show?!) other than years of schmoozing. He was floated then chosen by Trump because his fake righteous hard-line Christianity mollified those conservatives who were leery of a divorced NY’er former Democrat, and might have supported Jeb! or Cruz instead. Whose fault is that.
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This may be applicable & it may not. It may have already been shared here, but since I have not had the chance to read all of the comments yet, I am commenting about it for the sake of , “Information” to be shared.
Peter Thiel made these comments & I just saw this:
https://rumble.com/v57se3p-peter-thiel-describes-his-experience-in-davos-says-wef-is-just-like-the-mob.html
Take it for what it is worth to ya.
This comment is not to dispute anything that Sundance has said in his article, or anything else. Just info.
( basically, “just for the record”content )
Can leopards change their spots. I do not think so. I am a Dog guy, but I respect a “Suspicious cat”.) 😉
GOD Bless~!
Thank you!
The learning continues and my appreciation for the insights increases daily.
Cheers!
I can hear our brains getting bigger!
China has issued a statement slamming JD for being against global economics or some chicomshit. That says JD may turn out OK.
He’s despised by so many of the right people.
I hope we soon learn what they know that we don’t
Yep. Not pretending.
Is this possible: the Palantir people see possible big profits in using their tech to find the illegals for the deportation force?
Then ongoing contracts to monitor border entry points to see if the dear deported try to re-enter?
A guy can dream …
I hope you’re right.
Yeah, there’s been a sales pitch made on Real ID on exactly that line of thinking.
My question is: Once we secure our borders and kick out the illegal aliens and bring the Cabal to justice, either civilian or military as appropriate . . .
Do the cameras and the hideous towers ever come down?
Or are we left, at the end of the day, with a more comfortable panopticon prison? Because, if so, that’s not liberty. That’s not freedom. And someone or some set of people are always going to grab that Ring of Power. Human nature is a constant.
I am a Palantir investor, and am very familiar with what they do. Their future growth is primarily on the commercial side.
There is no doubt that their software has been used by the US government against its citizens. But to attribute intent to Palantir is the same as attributing intent to gun manufacturers in mass shootings.
Personally, I am more comfortable with Palantir being a Peter Thiel backed company versus a Bill Gates backed company.
Because Gates drinks young blood and Thiel only injects it?
I trust no man. Especially one who believes he can buy and raise children with no appropriate humility as to God’s good order when it comes to the creation of families.
I’ll walk this back just this far.
The Bill Gates drinking baby blood thing is hyperbole, and I have no actual direct evidence of that.
Thiel is on the record, however, doing young teenage blood injections, I believe.
“But to attribute intent to Palantir is the same as attributing intent to gun manufacturers in mass shootings.”
When a gun is identified as being used in the commission of a crime, it is confiscated by the police and destroyed (in honest departments).
When Palantir is used to violate U.S. citizens’ 1st and 4th Amendment Constitutional rights, no one de-commissions that license or deactivates that installation of the software. Thiel could make that contingency part of the product’s user agreement, but doesn’t.
Yes THE gun is confiscated. But (so far) all guns are not confiscated.
From what I know of Alex Karp and Palantir; I am certain that user access is blocked for someone who uses the software for illegal purposes. Unfortunately, section 702 searches are not illegal.
If section 702 was not reauthorized; the revenue impact to Palantir would not be as great as Sundance implies. Their greatest area of growth is commercial.
From what I read, the governments use of Palantir tech is significant in the collection & aggregation of data on US citizens, despite their claimed larger “commercial growth.”
“The Truth Has No Agenda”..
People tend to forget everyone gave Judus Pence a pass for almost 4 years. Maybe we weren’t looking closely at him or maybe like the Biblical Judus he fit in until the time of his betrayal. Where’s there’s smoke there’s fire. Personally think PDT will keep Vance at arms length until he proves himself under pressure. Not likely PDT makes many mistakes twice
Not everyone. A lot of posters here disliked pence from day 1.
I never wanted J D Vance for VP. And I don’t trust Mike Rogers for the US senate seat. But I am going to play the vote game again….
Great insight Sundance, as is usual :>)
I have viewed Sundance’s posts about Vance as a warning shot, not an absolute. Something to be aware of that needs watching and checking. I only ever questioned the timing of the posts because we are in the middle of a necessary battle to win the election.
Sundance is more cynical than I and his gut instincts being true most of the time is why.
I always look for silver linings. The article someone posted upstream by Eric Weinstein drew my attention because I have noticed similar connections.
Theil, Musk, etc are not one of us, but have aligned with us on the issues Sundance pointed out above. There is a sense that the progressive Marxists/Globalists have gone too far for them and they are looking for more balance to be inserted.
Cont in comment….
Silver linings cont…
Musk started backing electing Republicans in the 2022 midterms (wanted divided governnent to put the brakes on Democrat agenda). His support for free speech seems authentic by his actions globally. His attacks on George Soros (to the point of saying Soros is against humanity) has been an educational experience for many of his millions of followers and angered the Democrat power players to the point of government harassment and lawfare against him.
Vivek wrote the books, Woke Inc a year ago about the negative wokism influence on corporate America. He wrote an article highlighting the problems with Big pharma (On a podcast episode of The Shawn Ryan Show, Ramaswamy cited concerns about inefficiencies, inconsistencies, and ethics in the pharmaceutical industry):
Vivek – big pharma is a problem
https://www.shortform.com/blog/vivek-ramaswamy-big-pharma
In one of the rally speeches given by Vivek’s wife, she specificalky mentioned how they became disillusioned, concerned, and upset with some things going on with big pharma.
Peter theil back in 2013 after attending a WEF meeting:
“Peter Thiel: I went to the World Economic Forum in Davos the last time in 2013, and of course, they have the same ideas as the mob. And in some ways, it is a mob. And people are there only in their capacity as representatives of corporations or of governments or of NGOs. And it really hit me: There are simply no individuals. There are no individuals in the room. There’s nobody there who’s representing themselves. And it’s this notion of the future I reject. A picture of the future where the future will be a world where there are no individuals. There are no people with ideas of their own. There’s nobody to say, this is wrong. This doesn’t make sense. And I’m going to think differently. I’m going to think for myself.”
Source:
And an insightful post by Cynical Publius into what he thinks could going through the mind of JD Vance after his experience in the tech and investment field:
Excerpt:
He was inside the “elites” but never became one, and with the knowledge he has he can now effectively combat them. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure JD is solid. ”
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Robert Barnes who has had discussions with JD Vance posted in reply an agreement with that thinking saying that he sees “his criticism of the snobbery of that crowd in many places”.
Cynical Publius’ full post on that thinking can be read here:
So, these guys are friends with years of connections. Many reasons to have concerns. However, perhaps they had their own awakening within their industries and see an element of concern, corruption, evil even. Perhaps they see a need to purge at most…correct or reform at least. It may not be totally aligned with us. It may, however, be a start….or touch on expising and purging the worst.
We should be cautious. We should take the info Sundance shares with serious concern. We should watch with open eyes (not emotional hearts). All true.
However, I look for silver linings with hope and positive thoughts. Maybe it is not as bad as all that. Maybe something good could come out of even our biggest worries.
I pray for divine guidance in all who surround or influence President Trump.
👉Thanks Troublemaker10👍👌
👉I don’t usually finish longer comments but this was helpful 👈✅️
🤔Plus ➕️ some of these “techno-elites have clearly seen 👀how fast they become loose strings ✂️✂️ if they become crossways with the I C/antiConstitutional bureaucracies and aren’t “needed” anymore. 💀
I’d like to add, that it could be more personal for Musk.
One of his children, raised by his ex-wife, was indoctrinated in to the trans cult. Xavier Musk became Vivian Griffin.
This appears to be the beginning of his ‘awakening’ and I doubt you could put a price on what it might mean for him to help defeat these commie swine.
God bless you for sharing all this information along with your own insightful opinions.
I have to belief that Mr. Mata Hari (AJA: PDJT) has selected JD for very important reasons and hopefully one day well learn what they are.
I don’t like Thiel.
Never did.
Never will.
“We should be cautious. We should take the info Sundance shares with serious concern. We should watch with open eyes (not emotional hearts). All true.”
Perzactly!!! As I posted earlier many who are responding to Sundance’s posts do not understand what it he is saying/pointing out. The vitriol, insults and emotional posts are quite discomforting. Its becoming increasingly difficult to engage.
Leopards never change their spots.
Who said he was a leopard? Humans have a mind and can change it.
I make my own decisions and find Sundance’s analyses to be very informative.
Welcome to SkyNet
The world’s second-oldest profession, like the poor, will always be with us. In question is only the ends to which it will be deployed, how, and by whom.
I think Sundance is a bit DC-centric in his focus here, and generally ; DC, for my money, is an administrative level, not the boardroom. He’s very solidly on point about the compartmentation, though. Were it not for compartmentation, the workforce would be unable to remain unaware of the effects of the policies the workforce is tasked with implementing.
If I was forced to either work in the dc swamp, or perish, I would ask Him to be merciful with my demise.
Quote:
”Perhaps more valuable, his (Vance’s) selection reduces the possibility of the Silicon Valley Technocrats to work against OUR interests – as we look to control THEIR influence.”
👆As best I can determine, this comment seems completely unsupported by everything that comes before it, including previous SD posts on this topic.
If Vance is who the worst fears represent, then there is little reason to believe the above comment would be true. In fact, the opposite would be true, as the Silicon Valley Technocrats would have advance knowledge of any initiative, measure, or plan to control their influence, thereby giving them opportunity to thwart, avoid, or counter such efforts.
Even worse…
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IT ACTUALLY INCREASES THE ODDS THAT ANOTHER J13 ATTEMPT WILL BE MADE TO ELIMINATE PRESIDENT TRUMP!
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A possibility that, amazingly, Sundance does not mention or address. Which is stunning comsidering we are only 7 days removed since the unthinkable almost happened.
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Welp, it is true that Vance increases the probability that Trump won’t finish his term, but that goes without saying.
One thing that can be very difficult to control over long stretches of time is body language.
Go back and watch video of the RNC where the crowd is chanting “USA” or “Trump”.
Luminaries in the VIP box very enthusiastically join with the crowd, but Vance is observably just going through the motions in most of those instances.
Don’t take my word for it, look at and watch for it yourself.
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THE #1 REQUISITE OF PDJT’s RUNNING MATE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THAT HE/SHE WAS AN INSURANCE POLICY AGAINST ANY FURTHER ATTEMPT MADE AGAINST PDJT’s LIFE.
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In other words, that the MAGA agenda would inarguably and inexorably be continued and carried out by LOYAL, competent, skilled leadership. This was one of the reasons given by Sundance for favoring Dr. Ben Carson (which I agreed with 100% btw).
If the worst case fears of JD Vance ARE true, then his selection INCREASES this risk to PDJT, it does NOT reduce it.
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Thank you, Sundance. Hopefully, J D will earn our support. For now, we await confirmation of it.
Trump-Vance 2024!
Yeah, Vance is bought and paid for, by the wrong oligarchs. Trump knows this, obviously. But having these oligarchs liquidate Biden and squelch Zuckerberg’s vote theft operation is plenty worth Trump making Vance VP, so it’s a good deal. Now Trump just has to lock Vance in the same closet Kamala’s been locked in the last 4 years.
Without Musk, Thiel, Palantir and a slew of billionaire technology oligarchs on President Trump’s side there was no way to overcome and/or expose Clyburn’s ballot factories in Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Atlanta and Detroit.
No law enforcement agencies were willing to address Clyburn’s ballot fraud operations once Musk exposes their dereliction of duty things will change!
Only God can save our nation. Knowing this in my bones, I’ve thought about what can direct my prayer.
Both Obama and Vance were chosen and groomed. But the two men have a significant difference. Obama was dumb and very lazy. He was content with having other people make decisions and run things. He liked status and luxury. Vance is brilliant and he is a hard worker, determined man. He will want to be involved in decisions, want to know the details. He will (I pray) value family more than status.
So, Dear God, open his eyes, reveal truth to him, give him courage to stand for what is just and right. Reveal the evil to him. Give him Meemaw’s suspicious mind. In Jesus’s Name I pray. Amen.
SD, Excellent pair of background articles. Thank you for posting.
Sundance, I appreciate the clarification that was posted the other day with Tucker Carlson and Dr Ben Carson as to their perspectives of JD . Just one major catch for me… Skull and Bones. Is JD one of the select 15 members that was brought into that class? The quick rise to the top would indicate so. Lots of powerful people pulling strings up there.
The 911 / Patriot ACT/ DHS incidents that were forced upon us is something I will not forget.
I’ll trust Trump! and continue to pray for him.
I was really hoping for Kari Lake or Dr Ben Carson, but what can you do?
Skull and Bones is an undergraduate club. Vance attended Law School.
Don’t matter.
Any school that hosts any similar Skull and Bones “society” of elite bastards gets my total negative response too.
That disgusting brotherhood denotes an important Yalie tradition and at least hundreds of members are currently alive and presumably pushing political decisions which I would not agree with
Hoping the Crowdstrike glitch acts as a “stop stick” on approval for further surveillance and cbdc discussion…
Turn the clock back an hundred years for a wee bit of hope..
“We bought the son of a bitch and then he didn’t stay bought” – Henry Clay Frick on Teddy Roosevelt
Exactly 💯
You can only rent politicians.
Very true, friend.
Only until you are outbid, or the politician decides his soul is no longer for sale.
Smart bet is on option one, but there is always hope.
Kinda like gin..
Was the 5/10-year business model in the mind of tech billionaire Peter Thiel what led him to recruit JD Vance in 2013. Was it a financial decision blended with ideology to guide, finance and support JD Vance all the way to 2022 and 2024? Was JD Vance an investment?
This scenario reminds me of an old Hawaii Five-O (the original) episode which I recently just watched again. There was a Swiss underworld company that recruited a top student from high school, paid his way through college with perks like a car and plenty of spending money, and got him into the DA’s office as top assistant prosecutor. As part of this ploy, at the time of his entry into the DA’s office 3 years prior, a cop was set up with fake documentation proving he was the one to leak the knowledge of a secret crime boss’ letter outlining the crimes of another crime boss, which leak then led to the theft of evidence that was only known to the Five-O and DA office people in on the letter. When the two offices began investigating each other, one clue led to another and the Swiss company was uncovered, as well as the DA assistant who was recruited.
So just insert Peter Thiel in place of this Swiss company and you have a similar scenario, both of which are pretty far fetched. Not that Thiel is a member of the underworld, but the ploy is similar. I’m not buying it.
You framed this picture as charitably as you could.
I might add, Suspicious Cat sniffs some new felines in the neighborhood, they have a DC scent to them.
BWDIK?
OUT-BLOOMIN’-STANDING!!! Even I could understand quite a bit of it.
Essentially, it feels like a case of trading one set of overlords for another. Pray that Vance is truly a goodly pick.
Thank you, Sundance!!!