Not surprisingly, a few people viewed my research presentation of JD Vance through a prism of negativity. [SEE HERE] We have many new readers who are not as in-tune with the details of how the bad parts of the DC surveillance state work. So, let me take you behind the scenes a little and expand for context.
Nothing written about the data set, the facts within the JD Vance storyline, is incorrect. Everything is cited, accurate and factually true. However, when you get into the intent and consequence part, that’s when people start to become emotional. Some clarity is needed.
Commenter Freedom Ring provides a good example. FR says, “JD has an association with Theil [sp?] & Musk; this could be worded to be a positive or negative, but the article paints it as a negative.”
This is correct. The research article positions the relationship between JD Vance and Peter Thiel as a serious challenge, here’s why.
Since his original endorsement of Donald Trump in 2016, a good thing, billionaire tech executive Peter Thiel has expanded his company, Palantir Technology, to be the leading edge of a data-processing system. The Palantir tech is designed to use artificial intelligence (AI) to crawl through massive sets of surveillance data, phone data, facial recognition data, metadata (writ large) etc.
In essence Palantir Tech is receiving government contracts (Defense and Intel) to use the Palantir AI tools to analyze/filter a massive amount of electronic data, and take action based on results from the data, or what might be called SIGNIT (Signals Intelligence). There are billions at stake in this relationship.
In short, Thiel has a vested financial interest in providing AI surveillance filtration tools to the U.S. government.
Ok fine. That’s just a simple acceptance of what Thiel’s company does now. And Thiel recruited JD Vance back in 2012/2013 while at Yale law school, and personally financed JD’s entry into the world of politics in 2020/2021. I won’t repeat all the citations but suffice to say, without Thiel there is no Senator/VP Vance. Thiel leveraged his relationship with Donald Trump to get JD Vance the Ohio primary endorsement in 2022, and the rest is history. Fair enough. Nothing disputed.
Here’s where things get sticky….
Thiel’s company Palantir Tech provides the AI metadata analytic tools used by the U.S. government in their national security efforts. The government access to that metadata comes, in part, as an outcome of the legislative FISA authorization. As a consequence, eliminating, say… FISA(702) surveillance processes, is against the financial interests of Peter Thiel. If the U.S. government cannot access the dataset, the U.S. govt doesn’t need Palantir’s AI filtration tech. That’s just the nature of the relationship.
Again, this is just a cold, factual acceptance of the situation.
Would JD Vance support the elimination of FISA(702), FISA Courts, or the National Security Division of the DOJ (something that forms the foundation of removing the worst elements of the Deep State), knowing that action would be adverse to the interests of his benefactor and mentor, Peter Thiel?
Again, just a question. Perhaps he would, perhaps not; however, a review of history shows the odds are not in our favor.
I mean, there is a reason why Thiel recruited, financed, supported and guided Vance to the position he is now in, correct?
Elon Musk’s entire business model, sans X (maybe – lol) is contingent upon government contracts and policy.
Regardless of his altruistic disposition, or lack thereof, Musk’s enterprises, Tesla and Space-X, do not exist without direct government funding or indirect govt support via policy. Peter Thiel is essentially in the same position with Palantir Tech, unless the U.S. Government gave him permission to sell his services to foreign adversaries. Not likely.
Many are looking at JD Vance as the guy, maybe one of the ‘guys’, who can finally confront the worst elements of the Deep State. However, the worst elements of the Deep State, the surveillance and control silos, are in a synergistic relationship with Vance’s benefactors. Will Vance willingly tear apart the surveillance state, that will create a negative financial outcome for those who put him into office? My note of caution is ‘don’t get your hopes up.’
I mean, seriously think about it. Musk puts up USG satellites that monitor stuff. The low-earth-orbit monitoring results (data signals) are returned to the USG. The data signals are then analyzed by AI tech created by Thiel.
Another way to look at it…. Musk puts the camera on your face. Thiel tells the govt where you went.
♦ BIG PICTURE – Are the newest group of billionaire Silicon Valley tech leaders currently supporting MAGA Trump/Vance, really a modern assembly of the Green Dragon rebels in Boston, plotting the next Tea Party rebellion. Or are they simply just the other side of a new modern Technocratic control system, aligned with and dependent on government?
The Obama-era ‘Technocracy‘ was based on public-private partnerships with social media. This was the origin of the surveillance state that now scours, controls, filters, censors and ultimately monetizes your social media data profile. The operational and business model is cemented into the process now. Everyone accepts it. Terms and conditions apply, and if you don’t agree, you can’t use.
Is the pending Trump-era ‘Technocracy‘ a rebrand, pushing social media off to the side (that part is done) and bringing data processing control agents, artificial intelligence software designers, big money venture capitalists, banks and those who are creating digital id systems. Does Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Ackman, David Sacks, Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg and Vivek Ramaswamy, now occupy the empty chairs around the table of Technocracy?
Was the 5/10-year business model in the mind of tech billionaire Peter Thiel what led him to recruit JD Vance in 2013. Was it a financial decision blended with ideology to guide, finance and support JD Vance all the way to 2022 and 2024? Was JD Vance an investment?
Truly, I suspect our gut knows the answer.
That’s why my approach is to say, “here’s the factual data – trust your instincts.”
[SOURCE]
Around this time someone will snark, saying my assembling this perspective indicates President Trump is an idiot, or something.
NO! President Trump is not stupid, or naïve!
CTH has painstakingly outlined how the silo process within the Deep State works. You have more information about that process. You have more knowledge about that process.
All of us, courtesy of dozens of brilliant researchers here and in lots of other places on the internet, have a far more comprehensive understanding of how the systems within the DC administrative state work than any subset of professional politicians or their staff.
Are you stupid or naïve? No. None of us are.
However, many of us are sick and tired of having the virtue of our patriotism weaponized against us. For reference see DHS, ODNI, CISA, TSA, The Patriot Act, or any other of the myriads of crisis-created legislative solutions, later turned into tools by bad actors that inevitably diminish freedom.
I was sitting at dinner with a good person, who happened to be the head, the tipy-top, of one of the most connected IC silos in Washington DC, and that person laughed recalling situations where they walked into their office many days and frustratingly shouted at their staff, “who the f**k is leaking information to this guy,” meaning me. No one was leaking anything, and the entire organization was just as surprised as the leader of it.
My point is that many ordinary Americans know far more about the interconnectedness of DC silo operations, than the people within the individual silos can fathom. They are stuck inside a purposefully created system of compartmentalization; we are not.
The overwhelming odds are that you know more than your federal representative. That fact doesn’t make you smarter than President Donald J Trump, it just means you have a different set of researched datapoints that create a different understanding.
Additionally, President Trump doesn’t “vett” anyone, someone else does the “vetting” for him. That vetting helps him to make decisions, it doesn’t exclusively determine the final decision.
No one is stupid in this discussion. No one knows all the information. The fact-finding is a process of information assembly, that permits guidance to decision making. That’s it.
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) might have been a good decision at the time, until it starts getting weaponized later on.
Given the nature of the political landscape, Senator JD Vance was a good selection for Veep. A candidate for the office of the vice-presidency that will hopefully position President Trump and the people around him to be able to start putting countermeasures into place that will stop this government weaponization, a seemingly out of control surveillance state.
Senator JD Vance helps to unite the various Republican clans.
Perhaps more valuable, his selection reduces the possibility of the Silicon Valley Technocrats to work against OUR interests – as we look to control THEIR influence.
More importantly, Senator JD Vance makes winning in November of 2024 more likely. That’s the key value in his personage.
Perhaps Vance is a tool, perhaps he’s an ally, who knows. However, we must understand the context of everything that comes with him, nothing more.
Trust God, and for everyone else – watch them like a hawk, while you live your best life.
If we win in November, we then have an opportunity to start putting countermeasures and guardrails into place that will seemingly impede the efforts of the bad operators within each IC silo. Simultaneously, we need to identify who each bad actor is.
This mission then becomes the reversal of weaponization we desperately need.
I am optimistic about victory in November. However, I am also comprehensive about the nature of the enemy we face.
I recently suggested, partly tongue in cheek, for congress to enact legislation that simply says:
If any president dies during his term in office, all actionable authorization within agencies of the CIA, FBI, DNI and DHS is immediately revoked, until such a time as new legislative authorities can be debated, assembled and reauthorized by congress.
Daisy… Daisy…
Love to all.
Once you realize that Trump is the rebel agent, you understand that he along with us is “ in the fight” to take over the agency of government control systems . That system is the embedded bureaucracy.
One thing I’ve promoted for at least the last 10 years is term limits for government employees. 10 to 12 years max! We would rid ourselves of long term and expensive government pensions, plus break up much of the silos that show up as embedded. The problem we currently face is a massively corrupt system. Every system becomes corrupted as time goes by. Term limiting the time of bureaucracy employment makes the system easier to throw over and easier to checks and balance by the voter.
Now we just need a clean voting system and we can have so much better control of our government. That’s easy to accomplish, yet hard to achieve!
Term limits to “selfless service of government servants” to “our democracy”. Listen to the squeals.
It’s really “muh paycheck”, “muh benefits”, “muh pension”, “muh lifetime job security”.
I keep remembering it was a very small number of patriots who took the fight to the King and defeated him. Most of the colonists were very afraid to do anything.
Better yet, remove the funding by repealing the Federal Income tax; and eliminate all Federal departments and functions not enumerated in the US Constitution. Let the States run and regulate themselves.
Lie detectors for graft foreign agents disguised 🥸 intents
I realise that our esteemed Patron Sundance is batting for us realists, but when he keeps mentioning the Green Dragon, it should be made clear that was one of the first Masonic ‘temples’ in America. Mr Revere and his horse were probably fully paid up masons.
Nothing much has changed in the last several hundred years except ‘they’ have infiltrated all levels of government including the catholic church.
So tread carefully and don’t shake hands with strangers.
Probably.
But they were also concerned about the Adam Weishaupt group.
There’s more to that tale than we know.
The Masons weren’t “hijacked” until May 1, 1776.
And IIRC, they rented or leased the basement of the building that the GD was located in.
JFK signed ExecOrder#10988 in January 1962. The bureaucratic shxtstorm started then and is now CAT Five.
The Association of Administrative Law Judges (AALJ) is a labor union that represents federal administrative law judges (ALJs). The AALJ was originally organized as a professional association in 1971 and became a union in 1999. It is part of the International Federation of Professional and Technical Engineers, an affiliate of the AFL-CIO. The AALJ engages in collective bargaining, lobbies Congress, prepares statements for congressional committees and the news media, and organizes educational and social events for its members.
https://aalj.org/about-aalj
The very idea of Administrative Law is unconstitutional.
Generous valuable government benefits separate the deep state bureaucrats from the rest of the American middle classes and working classes.
And the bigger and bigger the albatross gets, it becomes all the easier to plant bad actors throughout
Our government currently is infiltrated and compromised
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WHY the hell wasn’t Fauci fired decades ago?
Could AI surveillance BY government OF government be feasible?
Remember Fauci gets $400k per year in pension too,
Absolutely ridiculous amount!
💥
Humbled I am my friend.
*Yep*!
Too bad Zbig was also the original implementer of the neoconservative madness, and all the suffering, waste and death it’s brought us. Coupled with the constitution destroying surveillance state, it has left us to live under tyranny today.
Top pic’ is *absolutely* *bang-on*, Colkitto…
…This isn’t difficult, peeps – clue’s in the name: Palantir.
In point of fact, didn’t Thiel originally get Palantir up and running back in the immediate post-Patriot Act/GWoT era, cutting deals with Dubya’s admin. for contracts within the context of/laying the groundwork for the ‘Total Information Awareness’ paradigm, IIRC?
(- As a glib, gallows humor aside, I’ll note in passing that ‘ol Elon seems to have quietly amassed for himself, down through the years, a pretty darn respectable fleet of ICBM’s, were he ever minded to repurpose them as such, and *reusable* ones, at that!… – Yet, strangely, no-one in .gov/.mil brass seems to have a problem with any o’ that… 😉 )
Excellent piece, as always, Sundance, and thankyou. – One minor critique though:…
…- We don’t need ‘seemingly impede’. – We *desperately* do need ‘actually impede’, this late in the game however, or else we’re all *royally f-worded*.
Ty friend.
BK & Maquis, hint hint.
Thankyoumuch Colkitto
…- I’m unfamiliar with the picture: – Inaugural meeting of Skull and Bones?…
Milner’s Kindergarten
They were at Oxford with Tolkien & Lewis.
…- Colkitto, thanks for informing me.
My take is that the *Oxford* ‘Inklings’ were an earlier iteration of MiniTru’s script/screen-writing deptartment…
(…- This is by no means to impugne nor denigrate their *obvious* literary talents – That’s the entire point of MiniTru’s script dept. – They recruit *the very best*. – And yes, I remain an admirer of Tolkien, *to this very day*, if not an out-and-out fan anymore… – Lewis, I never managed to get into, by sheer accident of happenstance, though I hear he had *a lot* of very sensible things to say about Christianity, spirituality and much else besides.)
…- Feel free to knock me on this, anyone…
Lewis’s “That Hideous Strength” unread by most, you should take a look at. My more recent rereads of them both is with the knowledge that they were warning us because they were with these Globalists while at Oxford. I won’t knock you, in fact I like you. I think your a great addition to the Treehouse. Nice to meet you friend.
Thanks for the info, Colkitto! I come to Treehouse daily and learn so much. I will check out “That Hideous Strength.” Goodness, what a time to live. It’s all coming to a head and we are blessed with Trump.
Great observations.
…- Thx BK… – Further thoughts, and contesting Sundance’s take here, re: ‘Technocrat pivot’: – Yeah, on the surface it will be made to appear so, but *think* ‘Jack’s Coffee Shop’: – When ol’ Elon ‘inherited’ TwitX he *evidently* din’t clean house and is, equally evidently, no champion of free speech/liberty, etc.,…
…- Then you’ve got Zuck crawling out of his spider’s lair with “OMG!!!1!11!! – Trump’s such a *Badass*, I just wet myself!…”
…- As one aspect of the panopticon advances to front of stage, the other is, *necessarily* exuant, stage left.
…- So, periodically, as with each wing of the ‘Uniparty’…
…- Wash. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
…- Point is: – *Whichever* wing of the panopticon complex is currently apparently ‘in retirement’, they’ll still continue to build it out and consolidate it quietly, in the shadows.
‘Front-staging’ any aspect of it, at any given time, is basically a necessary PR sell and co-option campaign/psyop on the rest of us in order to fish as many of us in as possible and normalize it…
…- Either part still gets built out, regardless.
Aw…Mika’s daddy. Ugh!
In politics NOTHING happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was PLANNED that way. Occam’s razor too.
The “accident” that DID happen …their bullet missed Trump
Sundance, slight fix needed:
Thiel leveraged his relationship with Donald Trump to get
ThielVance the Ohio primary endorsement in 2022, and the rest is history.Salute Maquis,
Salutations, Brother Colkitto
Wheels within wheels!
Coulda swore I see…George Soros…or Jabba the Hut. 😂
“The Spice must Flow”
The data must flow… 😉 Slainté!
Great point
Well penned, but I envision unlawful search and seizure fundamental right issue under Trump to test the IC surveillance silo, under AG Paxton. But first, just win baby.
Another deep dive is by Webb at Unlimited Hangout
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2024/07/investigative-reports/the-man-behind-trumps-vp-pick-its-worse-than-you-think/
The obvious thing to say is that Trump and Vance and Thiel will be in the room with this Palantir ecosystem
big tech would either be working against MAGA or working for it, or at least being ridden by Maga like a wild bull
X absolutely is biggest customer is government
The Snowden leaks showed the Patriot act requires all the platform data goes to the agencies AND is paid AND the platforms are required to lie about it
Not only a pull or read of data
But via the API a push
Can anyone say Prescriptive Analytics?
Using data to make you do stuff
Palantir’s technology does not require the current system of surveillance in which a giant data base is constantly added to in real time from multiple streams of info (your emails, credit card transactions, surveillance camera photos/video, etc etc). this is Poindexter’s “Total Information Awareness”. There were in the NSA opponents of the current monstrosity described well by Sundance and they have shown how intel agencies can obtain data about legitimate targets without invading everyone’s privacy (legal interception, with normal warrants). Then maybe we would not have such things as the workstation at Perkins Coie that accesses the NSA database. You would still need Palantir’s (or similar) technology to search/analyze the legitimately-acquired data.
“Using data to make you do stuff” = PSYOPS.
Funny how that works.
funny how Thiel and Musk, two of the US governments largest contractors and subsidy seekers became such wild crazy anti-Establishment rebels during the most totalitarian and corrupt period in USA history
all the while expanding their businesses, getting new contracts and putting their constructed man, the avatar known as “JD Vance” into the VP slot
both these wild and rebellious characters, Thiel a “contrarian” and Musk “a genius industrialist” both run huge data mining and and control systems (X and Palantir) that just happened to work against the interests of the UniParty and Deep State by promoting this huge existential threat in the person of JD Vance
its totally not Thiel placing his former employee into the VP position, I am sure Vance would be totally capable of going against his former boss, his patron, the person who made him
I would also mention that Vance’s first job was Sidley Austin; Obamas, his wife and the weather underground all worked here
lastly, if Trump wasn’t so energetic and unpredictable, and God didn’t intervene, Trump would be dead, MAGA headless and in a rage against the Biden administration, and Vance (Palantir) and Youngking (Caryle) would be the beneficiaries of the sympathy vote AND bonus there backers in Palantir/Caryle would be running the Civil War
funny how all these crazy weird coincidences are lining up
as an aside, you can see how powerful X influencer cartels are becoming, Revolver, Citizenfreepress, many of the influencers LOVE Vance and Musk, they love them because they are MAGA Meme generators and quite possibly literally sources of cash
https://archieomichaels.substack.com/p/one-inch-to-global-civil-war
I hope Team Trump is able to surveil JD’s activities 24×7 to make sure he’s not stepping outside of his role as Trump’s wingman. All I require of JD is that he be loyal to Trump and Trump’s agenda. I am not looking at him to be the successor to Trump.
Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
One of my favorite quotations, Maquis – especially when I get a big bill that isn’t due for a while…
Reading all the opinions and information on Vance is like drinking from a fire hose.
Good thing I’m thirsty…
don’t you DARE even think Vance could be disloyal. You will be branded a outcast by some here lol. Be sure to keep your flame proof jacket handy. As SunDance put it, WE know more than many “politicians” in Washington, simply because we research and read. Nothing fancy. SunDance keeps us informed. As for successor, one could be a successor and be a Pence. Just think if the rightful election results were done in 2020….Pence would have continued on along his merry path of disloyalty. I trust NO ONE.
Or that his wife is stepping outside.
We will have 4 years to judge Vance. Let’s give him a chance.
Four years is a long time – but we don’t have a choice, do we?
It’s never what the people want
BULLSHIT POST.
It seems to me some relatively young guys who’ve achieved oligarch wealth have decided that insane public Marxist policies must be countered which in this case gives me some hope. To paraphrase Reagan maybe Trump can tear down these silos.
A chance for what? He’s bought and paid for in a way that even the most corrupt politician is not. He’s been groomed by a technocrat billionaire that wants global surveillance a blood transfusions from kids to extend his life.
Interesting piece published by Zero Hedge yesterday claiming that the Democrat Party’s Communism is causing Thiel, Musk and other tech moguls to now back Trump:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eric-weinstein-its-communism-stupid
My reaction to that, if true, is It’s about ******* time.
My reaction to you: ANOTHER PROPAGANDIST
Eh???
Ummm, maybe you need to go back to bed? Grouch.
OMG 😳
BREAKING: feeling strong revulsion towards communism is bringing formerly major Bribedems over to Trump.
But they aren’t really revolted by communism as a political philosophy.
Nope. It’s all about the moolah!!!
They don’t give a sh#t about politics, they care about money!!!
Makes perfect sense cuz they come kneeling to PDJT cause they wanna wanna wanna install !!!$*CAPITALI$M*$!!! as our state religion.
Hoo-whee!
Big Tech billionaires are actual scaredy cats afraid, horrified, that the installment into federal government of communism means they cannot all become multi-trillionaires by 2030
Boo Hoo!!!!!
Silicon Valley SUCKS
Wall Street SUCKS
Academia SUCKS
Hollyweirdos SUCK
Mass Media SUCKS
Big Tech SUCKS
Modernity SUCKS
Big Finance SUCKS
Corporate cartels SUCK
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God is in control.
God indubitably is pissed!
Whoah!
Let’s get on with the show!
I never ever ever ever dreamed that the materialists could EVER surprise or shock me again.
But this takes the cake!!!!
Filthy Rich Big Money crawls to the ORANGE MAN BAD!!! to make sure he wins.
W@W. 😳
What could possibly go awry with their self-serving schemes to use The Donald to protect their wealth?
You know, were you to make a movie with these themes, it would be a total flop. No one could possibly believe it!!! 🍿
Absolute MUST READ this article!
We are in for a ride!
I think the Never Trump RINOs believe themselves to be totally against communism. Yes they have deluded themselves
They are pro-corporatism, which is a corruption of democracy since they prefer rigged elections & endless foreign wars to preserve the Establishment Status Quo. Of course that status quo now includes Big Pharma as part of the Military Industrial Complex. Also they want to maintain control over the banking and money supply.
It’s not textbook communism but under their control it’s not a Constitutional federal republic either. Individual rights and freedom are sacrificed under either system.
Actually – isn’t that simple fascism?
Well almost.
It’s actually the reverse.
Corporate fascism.
Instead of the government dictating to the corporations, the corporations are dictating to the government.
Inverse fascism, as it were.
Wow! Thanks for this link. I have forwarded it along. It has given me a greater understanding, especially alongside Sundance’s post of “a new era…”
Nice details on the reality we’re living, but other than voting for Trump, I have absolutely no control over it and never will.
Here’s a required sequence for lasting reform which our dumbed down political idiocracy which can’t spell “Constitution” let alone know what’s in it that they’ve effectively lost would never consistently vote for anyway:
Only a Collapse and Total Reboot Can Fix Our Bloated Government System
NOVEMBER 14, 2016
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tony-corvo/2016/11/14/only-a-collapse-and-total-reboot-can-fix-our-bloated-government-system-n48938
Excerpt:
Conservatives keep voting for candidates thinking that they will fix the bugs, but let’s look at what this approach would take. In one form or another we will have to:
1) Elect at least a generation of conservative supermajorities in both chambers of congress. They have to be supermajorities because parliamentary rules allow for political minority actions to stop simple majority legislation.
2) We will have to elect a string of conservative presidents to work with the conservative congresses. We can’t have activist presidents who govern by executive actions in order to bypass congress.
3) True constitutionalists must be nominated and approved to the Supreme Court.
4) Conservatives will have to control at least 37 state legislatures, because sooner or later we will need to make constitutional amendments.
This is what my hindbrain has been chewing on for quite some time.
In NC I’ve witnessed a supermajority come and go, and I wonder at the chances of ever getting back there again. And state level is a far simpler thing than fed.
Nice details on the reality we’re living, but other than voting for Trump, I have absolutely no control over it and never will.
These are my thoughts, too. I’m ‘up there,’ don’t know how much time I have left, am living my best life. Other than that, all of this stuff is entertainment to me. That’s the only way I can stay sane. Otherwise, I just don’t care anymore.
Doubt is the Devil.
False
absolutely. Doubting is the GUT. Pretending everyone is your friend is the Devil.
Well, no. The gut and the brain actually communicate with each other. “Trust your gut.” Any time I haven’t in my life, every time I haven’t, I should have. The consequences of failing to trust my gut were extreme. You may want to google the gut/brain connection. Truly fascinating stuff:)
you made my point, just in a better way. Every time I have not trusted my gut I get burned big time too.
I appreciate everyone’s opinion. But my point goes deeper. Knowing what to do or say is one thing but when you’re doubting yourself, your soul has trouble.
Retired Magistrate here: No doubt is just using your common sense to view what is going on around you; does it make sense to you or not? Don’t look at what others are telling you; do your own research and come to your own conclusion. Use critical thinking skills.
Don’t doubt God. Question everyone else.
Amen, Let God be true and every man a liar.
Exactly! I was about to say something similar, but you said it perfectly!
I think you have “doubt” and “blind adherence and loyalty” confused.
In some sense yes, but it’s also called Know Your Enemy and Brace Yourself Accordingly. Reality.
“Reasonings… not built on the basis of experiment… cannot be decided ultimately… More facts must be collected, and more time flow off, before the world will be ripe for decision. In the meantime, doubt is wisdom.”
–Thomas Jefferson to General Chastellux, 1785
As always, thank you for bringing unparalleled clarity to our situation. The more we know and discuss, the less they can hide what future they’re planning for us.
Thanks Sundance…what a string of facts about Thiel. His “interests” could be looked upon with a positive spin as well as negative. Only time will tell how the “connections” will be used.
Question…could Thiel’s technology assets be utilized with Space Force? i don’t see too much written about this.
Sure they could, and I would think that some part of PDJT‘s Space Force would be a prime weapon.
20-year USAF retiree, technologist, fairly well connected (if loosely) for most of those 20.
As to how, it’s all in the connectors. Data is sprawled all over the landscape, and ether. It’s just a matter of gathering the expertise and strings to make it happen.
Makes sense and duly noted. However, if we every day citizens can acquire this higher level understanding, why couldn’t Vance?
Doesn’t want to maybe??? Doesn’t care to maybe??? $$$$$$$$$$$ maybe????? Pence was found out but it was too late, I think, thanks to SunDance we have more information on Vance than Pence.
I get that. To get more specific, couldn’t Vance avail himself of SD’s information as well?
Yes, he has an established avenue to $$$. That could easily drive his motivation to not seek further education on this stuff. Completely agree on that. But the opportunity is there – if his motives and values are what we hope they would be and what his words at least part lip service to.
Specifically, it comes down to whether, if he got our insight, Vance’s character is true enough to, pardon the pun, trump his loyalty to Theil/Musk and the potential wink, wink $$$ he could stand to gain. That’s a high bar, but has he shown he won’t meet it, beyond the fact that $$$ is such a powerful incentive to anyone in politics?
I want to be realistic, but not cynical- and that’s a high bar for me.
What do you mean? Vance knows what he’s supposed to do and who owns him – no one said Vance was stupid just owned like a Hollywood starlet.
If he does that means he is not loyal to Trump and America First, doesn’t it?
I want implying he was “stupid”, just that he was at the same level of understanding as the rest of them in the political system. He is not at our level of understanding, but has the same means we have (i.e CTH) to get it if he is sincerely America First.
Good point. We must be wary, but we should not write him off. Would be nice to sit down and talk with him about the doubts that Sundance raises. Maybe Tucker could do it.
Very well explained essay. Not easy to lucidly show the connections and relationships as they intertwine over time.
Ultimately there is a moral dynamic where ambition to acquire excessive power and money gets filtered through one’s ideals and conscience. Too many politicians and high end business people become corrupted along the way as they succeed in advancing in their respective fields.
Whatever they have is never enough. Which makes them easily lured into compromising and reframing their own values to justify dubious behavior. The real swamp masters understand every nuance of this process and use it unceasingly.
All we can hope is that before it’s too late Vance and some of these other tech elites have the kind of conversion that Trump went through when he put the common good above all else.
It would seem President Trump never had or needed that conversion. I will venture a guess that Donald J. Trump was raised right by good parents.
Sundance…curious what you think about this question.
Is it possible that both Thiel and Musk, both billionaires, both working closely with the US Federal Government and the Intelligence and National Security apparatus over the years, can pursue their business interests and provide the Feds with certain “tools” and still be patriots?
I mean, why is it the default assumption that such powerful people would always use that power to the detriment of American patriots. I mean, yes, the 4th branch of government has been and continues to systematically abuse the technology and turning that technology against freedom loving patriots, their organizations and their institutions…but couldn’t these tools be redirected against the true traitors in this country and wouldn’t that be a good thing? Could that be happening in the near future…just as Obama redirected the surveillance state against us…couldn’t patriots redirect the surveillance state against the real enemies of the Republic?
My hope and dream.
Why? Because Power Corrupts.
Not always. Did it corrupt President Trump?
In total agreement with the assessment on the reasons why Vance is needed in the short term and interim issues; as well as the potential longer term concerns.
Intelligence- while correctly pointing Thiel’s and Musk’s value to be described by one of the 3 original areas of Intel, SIGNIT (the other being HUMINT and IMINT), it is equally accurate to describe it as Cyberspace Command, which is also Intelligence based.
In addition to Musk’s need for government assistance or participation with Tesla and Space X, that same need is required for Open AI 👀, xAI 👀, the Boring Company and Neuralink.
This realization by many in the past and current expounding upon by our host of Musk’s survival tied to the government DS IC has been advanced by several on these pages for a long time, to the chagrin and dismissal by many. I, for one, am tickled pink that SD has exclaimed this in full for all to see and contemplate.
It is what it is.
I just remember Rush Limbaugh’s thoughts on Elon. He seems rather “new-agey” and never risked his own money. What payback do we get? Higher internet and cable bills.
Interestingly, Vance did not vote at all (neither for or against) to renew surveillance bill.
I will remain under the influence of Holy Spirit to sift through the human intel that comes my way. So far, even though I may balk, Sundance brings the receipts.
Blessings to those who seek truth and understanding. Praise God for His goodness and wisdom.
was he absent or did he vote present?
Wouldn’t that be typical? Knowing that he was in the running for VP, he gets to play neutral. Doesn’t vote against Thiel’s interests, doesn’t vote against the base. Makes sense to me. I’m sure McConnell and Schumer already had the yay votes cooked up.
I made a reply with the vote count after reading the lead as well.
I haven’t seen anything further such as interviews, etc., though I didn’t do a rigorous search. There may be further comments available.
Nobody bothers with juniors when seniors are so prominently sought after for comment.
Being super smart is often as much of a hindrance as it is a blessing. But rare is the man who has an extremely high IQ, a practical mind, social skills to understand human interactions and God given wisdom.
Sundance has these qualities (on loan from God as our old friend would say). And thankfully he has the humility to share his understanding in a manner us regular folks can follow.
Unfortunately, it’s the continuing story of how the Republic was “murdered” AFTER it was “murdered” and with the perps in control.
Like Sundance said: Trust your gut. My instincts say that PDJT has spent the last 3/12 years planning out how he is going to defeat the DEEP STATE. That takes some serious planning, that is only known by a very select few. I also believe that he recruited Thiel to help him dismantle the Deep State. My biggest concern is PDJT listening to Don JR for advice.
And that is why he wouldn’t contribute to any candidate because they would be all over Thiel for doing so.
Sundance: Thanks very much for writing this piece on JD Vance. I asked for a bit of a breather and you gave me one and one for others at the end of it. I trust what you are saying. I will follow your sage advice by living my best life and staying alert for changes in the situation. You always come through for us!! ++++++++++++
Barb, I too have needed a breather. It is so awful to realize our government would kill a Presidential candidate. Actively set up his murder and then attempt a coverup. (I was too young to comprehend Kennedy) I read every posting and feel much like I did with the original Silo postings. Anger, shock and disgust and yet God has given us our third grandchild a week ago. I look forward to Trump-time! Eyes wide opened and defiantly trust your gut. One more question, please. Why does Vance have three last names?
Mother kept remarrying. Read his Hillbilly Elegy.
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2024/07/investigative-reports/the-man-behind-trumps-vp-pick-its-worse-than-you-think/?ref=unlimited-hangout
Just and added aside:
Musk’s Tesla hasn’t received govt subsidy in a decade. He said that a few times, and Biden’s electric subsidy excluded Tesla. Biden regime didn’t even include Tesla in the electric vehicle conference.
As to Space X, yes it puts satellites up for the gov. Why? They’re the cheapest in the industry.
So, Sundance is correct about SpaceX but not in context. SpaceX develops cheap rockets with NASA grants the same as other companies. If they succeed, they get more grants. It’s why Bezos is so upset his Blue Origin isn’t getting enough.
Also Sundance was correct about Tesla a decade ago. There are no subsidies now. Why? Tesla are considered Luxury Cars and thus get no subsidies while Ionic or whatever are not “luxury” thus they get subsidies.
Also.. as I remember Thiel was a supporter of Trump in 2016. What changed?
Sundance’s research is unmatched. But, am I wrong in what I said?
Let’s see here:
NASA grants aren’t taxpayer funded government funds?
And Tesla, what about tax breaks for consumers that helped Tesla make unit sales goals? That’s not an indirect subsidy? Or government purchases or grants to local and state agencies to buy Teslas. Those aren’t indirect subsidies either?
Or tax breaks for relocation or grants for R&D??
Puhlesse.
Yes, you’re wrong. A government mandated requirement to sale electric cars, with purchaser tax exemptions, is a near direct payment to Musk. He’d dry up and blow away without it.
Teslas were specifically excluded from the tax breaks for EV purchases (as the OP pointed out).
Complete falsehood!
Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, implemented 1/1/2023 specifically mentions several Tesla models eligible for a $7500 tax break.
Okay, I recall it specifically excluded them when it passed. He even reduced the price to cover the denied tax break. So, I guess they made some changes between then and implementation.
The OP is wrong and so are you. Tesla sales come with a tax break, and that grifter would disintegrate without it.
https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/taxes/ev-tax-credit-electric-vehicle-tax-credit#which-cars-qualify-for-a-federal-ev-tax-credit
I disagree that he is a grifter. Look at SpaceX and what he has done to bring the USA back to the forefront of space. Look at what happened with Boeing’s attempt to do the same thing!
Frankly, while Elon is very quirky, I am in awe of his ability to make things happen. He should be celebrated, not vilified (which is what the left do).
Just think back in time to people like Tesla, Einstein… Musk is in the same category. GENIUS!
SD made it quite clear today, as several of us have been saying for 2 years, that Elon cannot survive without USG government financial assistance. He did not bring space to the forefront. Space brought him to the forefront regarding Space X.
And Musk is not an inventor or anything like Tesla or Einsten and never has been.
He takes emerging technologies and inventions of others and capitalizes on it with taxpayer assistance.
Agree to disagree 🙂
No, those other guys did their work without government cash. The parasite Musk is not of their cloth, and you should be ashamed to compare this grifter to them.
This grifter as you call him is planning to support Trump in the amount of 45 million a month for his campaign. Are you suggesting or inferring that Trump should turn him down?
“The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) might have been a good decision at the time, until it starts getting weaponized later on.”
No, it was never a good idea.
The biggest problem is that no one is held accountable. There are no penalties because there are no rules, just suggestions.
Failing upwards is a feature in micro-managerial technocracies.
just suggestions
There’s a traitor somewhere in the Secret Service or DHS
https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2024/07/21/theres-a-traitor-somewhere-in-the-secret-service-or-dhs/
I agree with you, as I’m sure many of us here do. But I thought Sundance did a great job of framing it in such a way as to let the reader decide.
Fusion Centers, like the USSS, under DHS, may have been a bad idea if your name is Donald J. Trump.
In the United States, fusion centers are designed to promote information sharing at the federal level between agencies such as the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the U.S. Department of Justice, and state, local, and tribal law enforcement. – wiki
ymmv
Sundance has enough visibility and credibility to get his question asked and answered by PDJT and JDV. Clearly ask the question: will you shut down the surveillance state, beginning with FISA? Call for that question to be answered, and continue until we get an answer.
Yes, the question has to be asked over and over until we start getting answers.
I’ve said it before, and I will say it again, (and perhaps this makes me a naive rube), but IMO, without tech, Trump WILL NOT win in Nov. His campaign doesn’t have the manpower, experience or tools to stop the steal. It’s simply impossible without the help of Silicon Valley. And if Trump doesn’t get elected, none of it matters. This election is for all the marbles.
I’ve thought that too, and Zuckerberg’s backing off his massive vote theft operation the other day is likely related to this sudden support from these oligarchs. A quid pro quo for their boy Vance.
I agree.
The foundational problem is still Big Government. The solution is downsizing Big Government.
How can supposedly Smart people like Thiel, and the other Software Welfare Queens miss the heat of the fire of the foundation of the country burning to the ground. Oh, yeah, private, offshore bunkers.
“foundational problem is still Big Government.” Yes “solution is downsizing Big Government.” Yes.
Reduce the Spending of Big Government. Drain the swamp of its money.
The problem with bunkers is you have to be able to get TO the bunkers in order to be able to use them.
If you can’t get there then you’re just as exposed as everybody else.
Due in part to Compartmentalization (Mushrooming), via keeping them too busy/distracted/polarized to put the right pieces together and/or accept what they hear or read away from the job.
Beat them at their own game? Bring an actual gun to a gunfight? Know your enemy, and when they let loose with howitzers, give the same, or more, right back.
Just trying to see Possibilities.
Agreed. There needs to be a swift, decisive slap-down action of the alphabet agencies. Listed them many times here at CTH. State of emergency called and top 20% arrested and confined until trials have been completed. PDJT wouldn’t (hardly guessing) have any problem taking this required action. Hell hasn’t he been dragged through the manure enough already? The DOJ would continue to operate just fine. The other two CI & FB need to be abolished period. This is what bold, decisive action looks like folks. Parcel tongue it all you want. SD never does and some of us can see the tree beneath the bark as well.
JD will get his breaking in under fire in this scenario. You won’t have to wonder if PDJT made the right decision.
“The wicked scheme against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them,
but the Lord laughs, seeing that their day is coming.” Psalm 37:13
Thank you SD for this article. It always makes light 💡 in our own paths.
2001 or Soylent Green? Perfect.
there is a reason why Thiel recruited, financed, supported and guided Vance to the position he is now in, correct?
I remember back in the late 80’s early 90’s during the Keating 5 scandal, when the congressional committee asked Charles Keating Jr. if his contributions to five senators was meant to buy influence, Keating’s response was basically: “Of course, why else would I do it?”
Yeah, that was a spectacular admission. They should have gone to prison with him.
John McCain…weaseled out of it!
I love President Trump but he has zero chance to beat the deep state. He will save us from financial ruin for a while but the globalists are firmly in control and merely will wait him out. The only way out is to control Congress with MAGA reps in majority in both houses and we are no where near that. I just hope that they even let him win in November. After watching what happened in Arizona in 2020 and 2022, I am not hopeful.
Great post, Sundance.
Now, how do we see to it that the nomination of Kamala Harris, “WOMAN OF COLOR” doesn’t ramp up the CHEAT? We know that as soon as she’s nominated, polls will be “fashioned” to show her steadily climbing upward.
I really don’t know how black voters will respond to her, esp black women.
The irony here is that voters who’ve never voted for Trump before have been asked to vote for policies rather than persons, yet the guy who is trying to get others to vote for POLICIES is the guy with a personality so large that it’s hard for that particular subset of voters to see past that personality to the policies.
I’ll be surprised if we win in November. The election fraud will be out of control this time around, including millions of ballots generated from every illegal alien to cross the border. Like Sundance has said, its the ballots not the votes.
From right now through Election Month we need the alliance, however unholy it ends up.
Correct me if I am wrong, but despite Thiel’s money and backing, wasn’t Vance lagging way behind until he got Trump’s endorsement?
Yes, hence Thiel took Vance to Mar-a-Lago to gain the endorsement.
They went there together?
I’d like to read about that.
Got a link?
I think you may be correct.
As I previously posted on Sundance’s earlier post/thread regarding those who currently think JD is a threat to PDJT & MAGA,… Perhaps,… but have more faith in PDJ Trump: “Who’s ZOOMING Who now?”
Winning on 11/5 is the first Prize now. Musk/Theil have made their calculations before ponying up their $,…. and so has PDJ Trump in receiving their support and JD as his Veep.
As Billy Joel sang it: “I am Keeping the Faith!”
“Biden Goes Down!” Reports are that Demented’s corner has thrown in the towel on his reelection run,… just this AM..
I have been saying for years that the Human Race is flawed. God should have started his rest period on Saturday.
A tiny positive: with Vance out of the Senate, he can’t vote directly for FISA renewal, nor can he veto a FISA repeal. Yes, he can vote as VP as a tiebreaker; and can exert influence.
Bit of wash since Gov. DeWine will be appointing a replacement to fill the seat (I assume he gets to do that).
DeWine isn’t exactly MAGA.
Is there even enough political will to get rid of FISA for that to even matter I wonder? To this day Crossfire Hurricane is something that only exists to those deep in the weeds and I daresay its too convoluted for even most of our Congresscritters to fully understand. Though eitherway I reckon they’d still vote in favor of whatever the intel agencies tell them will save us from those scaaaaary Russians. What more will it take to dismantle blind institution-worship?
We seem to moving on from the Euro-globalists to the the Globo-techies. We must always fight for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Good point. It’s a schism amongst the oligarchs, for sure. A civil war, imo.
More importantly, Senator JD Vance makes winning in November of 2024 more likely. That’s the key value in his personage. Perhaps Vance is a tool, perhaps he’s an ally, who knows. We must understand the context of everything that comes with him, nothing more.
In short, eyes wide open. Good advice. Hold his feet to the fire and keep him on a very short leash.
Now we can better understand why the FISA keeps getting authorized even though we send people to congress who campaigned on shutting down FISA.
wvvet: Agreed. FISA is a worth trillions to the titans of the tech industry and Wall Street.
One easily disproved lie after another.
Biden, over and out.
Hugs Sundance.
I hear you.
Would those who diligently work to take away our freedoms, exploit our information for personal gain and track us on the phones we bought from them, these people, with an unprecedented ghoulish love of money, is it likely (certainly possible) :
They’re switching sides, donating millions to Trump. ‘They’ appear to be: using Trump to put JD Vance into the White House and Trump is not ‘Their’ man? Is it possible it isn’t long after Inauguration Trump is assassinated so Vance becomes the President you didn’t vote for. AND the VP Vance chooses you also won’t be voting for. Name the names who would solidify Globalism in the US by the President rewriting our Constitutional protections by executive orders.
AI is a house of cards upon a hollowed out economy. Built upon a “services based economy”, their technocracy is being created at the price of abandoning manufacturing, surrender of intellectual property, means of production and tangible technologies – all which produce real goods and true efficiency.
To compound the loss of a production economy, America’s debt to build the globalists’ utopia will soon be 10x our GDP.
AI and robotics replacing us “useless eaters” has long been the ultimate dream of the moneychangers. These are the forces that create wars and genocide. AI will not deliver. It is going to get real ugly.
Just because a mule worked for the union army does not mean it cannot be used by the rebels when the time comes.
Interesting & astute analogy.
GOD Bless~!
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This is exactly right.
We have to get our guy elected, and that’s just the start of a lot of work. There are a lot of slippery threads to be navigated and negotiated in the seamless web.
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We are screwed. The beast system is almost in place and most people – worldwide – will happily sign up for it because they love their phone and their comfort more than freedom.
Look how happily people acquiesced to TSA, COVID lockdowns, social media censorship, etc.
If this is actually the “beast system”, I for one am certainly NOT screwed! Jesus is coming back!
Sundance provides us a path through a Huge Maze. There is only one way out of a Maze. Sundance drops breadcrumbs along his path for us to connect the dots and find the way out. We can either follow him or continue to wander around until the country is lost.
Hopefully, our oligarchs are better than their oligarchs. Nothing has.changed in thousands of years of history. Well one thing about 2,000 years ago.