Treeper Question:
ICTHEMATRIX – […] “Related to the topic of discerning alignment via a question, I would like to sincerely ask you your thoughts on a very real possibility:
What are we to make of President Trump’s possible choice of Marco Rubio as his VP?
In many columns and pages, you have chronicled the multiple failure points of Senator Rubio…his service within the corrupted Intelligence committee, and his non-MAGA compromises. I fear this could become another massive moment of fatally poor judgement.”
The direct issue of the vice presidential pick of Donald Trump is a fun topic often discussed, because it can easily engage everyone.
The issue of Rubio, or ‘fill_in_the_blank‘, is not really that important to me; and before your jaw opens, I’ll explain why.
My personal preference is Dr. Ben Carson, for all the reasons I have previously mentioned {GO DEEP}. In this election, GOOD is going head-to-head against EVIL.
When I say GOOD -vs- EVIL, let me give context. These are the stakes.
Given the nature of potential nuclear weapon use, three simultaneous global conflicts (likely 4 with Taiwan), a looming World War III, hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of slaughtered people, the likely elimination of the dollar as the global reserve currency for around half the world, a dollar-based central bank digital currency created by the United States Treasury if Biden wins, the catastrophic consequences in the lives of ordinary Americans, and essentially the end of projected USA power and the economic security that goes with it, there may not be a familiar tomorrow if the election goes the wrong way. With that in mind, the lowest possible consideration in my mind is 2028.
Next up, put this thinking cream into your coffee as we sip through the thought processes.
They crossed the Rubicon in 2020 with 51 high ranking Gov Intel members purposefully and specifically lying to the public. Does everyone realize the scale of that, and what it meant when they took that position on such an openly visible lie right to our faces, using our highest-ranking government intelligence members? They don’t exactly come back from that; it was an all-in position…. and they did it. What does that stuff in 2020 tell you about 2024?
What they will do, based on what they have already done, is the stuff we should be thinking about.
Look at what they have done.
This doesn’t even touch on the forced vaccination and COVID madness where people literally stood outside of buildings while their husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, grandparents and children died alone, ALONE, because government people – the type who torture beagles for a living – said that isolation was what we needed to do…. because that was part of the predicate for manipulating an election.
Lawfare? Heck, that’s the least dangerous poison arrow in their death to the republic quiver.
That’s the 2024 context.
So back to the VP possibility and Marco Rubio.
I don’t have any idea who President Donald Trump will select. However, I can see him liking Senator Rubio, because Rubio is articulate, clean, relatively young, bilingual, has a family, is polite and well mannered, is cultured, is seemingly not in trouble, and he gives a good impression when he walks into the room and engages the guests. Rubio outwardly checks boxes that make him appear like a safe legacy consideration.
The downside is that Rubio is a manipulative liar, untrustworthy, speaks with forked tongue, fulfills the role of Brutus, or the “scorpion” perfectly, and seemingly has done stuff early on in his life that may have created the origination compromise. Beyond all that, the cherry on the corruption cake is his relationship with the Intelligence Community. Any SSCI Vice-Chair who can sit with SSCI Chairman Mark Warner as a “friend across the aisle,” can never, not for a single moment, be trusted. It’s just the reality of it.
That said, I genuinely don’t care who Trump selects as vice president. I have my preference (Carson), but I’m situationally ambivalent to the issue, because I view my preference for Trump’s mission as something totally different than most.
WE THE PEOPLE need to take back the power from our government. I want President Trump to operate every lever from the limited office of the presidency to give us the tools to take back that power. WE need to be the vice president, and WE need to be the force in 2028 that determines how the deconstruction of our oppression continues.
President Donald J. Trump is our weapon, our wrecking ball to start this MAGA process. We the People are the entities who need to support Trump, while keeping him fueled and fearless as he does it. Depending on how much deconstruction demolition Trump is able to achieve, the next phase of operational leadership will need a different skillset.
Last point – I don’t believe that President Donald Trump has “massively failed” at anything. I’m not going to backbite, judge or criticize the man in the arena, because he wears a different sandal or chooses a different weapon to fight the enemy. Look around, he’s all alone.
Go back to what I wrote in July, 2015, about Donald Trump. “Why I Support Donald Trump“… Long before anyone thought he had a chance, I explained the reason I would support him in 2015. [Part 2]
I said in 2015, if Donald Trump showed up to the August Fox debate in five-inch heels, a Carmen Miranda hat and started twerking the podium of Jeb Bush, I would vote for him even harder. …. Because Trump was the only one different than the set of characters organized to help Jeb.
President Trump isn’t the cause of the GOP problems; President Trump is the result of the GOP problems. President Trump is our weapon. From that perspective, there is no alternative. And yes, he is the ONLY alternative. Whether he makes mistakes or not is a moot point against the reality of him being the only alternative to a completely corrupt system. Think about it.
There are quite enough high-horse riders and keyboard warriors who do not understand the DC system criticizing Trump. They don’t need my help. I cheer our glorious bastard every day, because every ounce of his thinking and effort comes from a place of good intention. I do not doubt this fallible, flawed and simultaneously decent, strong, purposeful and resilient man.
Beyond 2024, Good is going to have to battle Evil, and at the same time our nation will need stability, optimism and a resurgence of faith. In short, no one is winning this political war without putting God, righteousness and prayer at the forefront, as the DC tables are overturned.
When it gets ugly, and it will get extremely ugly, something just inherently tells me, we will need Ben Carson.
Vivek. He’s spoken about large Fed govt layoffs.
Or Byron Daniel’s.
Please, not Tim Scott.
Look up the fraud Vivek committed regarding an Alzheimer’s drug. Also look at the quotes he copied from Obama. Vivek is a snake. He’s also not a natural born citizen. His father is still not an American citizen.
Vivek is pushing for a Constitutional Convention, very dangerous
How and where do we start this conversation on the constitutional convention? There is so much false information and fear about it, and I think its irrational. Change my mind.
Vivek is not eligible. No more Indian Mafia.
Vivek is not eligible.
Both parties have already destroyed this rule. We can not continue to confine ourselves by rules and laws but must fight within their arena. Until we win our country back….it is no holds barred. I am not endorsing Vivek….I am for DB . Paxton or possibly Vance. I like Carson but is he too old to go 2 terms? Or will he be dynamic enough to win the votes that PT has to continue in office?
See my post up top. Vivek IS Indian Mafia. Cannot be trusted. The US will go the way of South Africa if we are not engaged.
Anyone who understands the power of the US buying power and economic warfare, home manufacturing and the like, would be a great choice.
Paxton, Vance and Carson know nothing of this.
It is not a ‘rule.’ It is a constitutional requirement under Article 2.
No party is legal in terms of federal elections. They are private incorporated clubs. Let’s start there.
They are interfering in federal elections.
>No party is legal in terms of federal elections.
Title 52 USC does in fact define “national committee”, “State committee”, and “political party” and goes on to define what these entities (regardless if they are “incorporated”) can do with respect to “Federal election activity”. Note in the context of Title 52 “state” includes DC and the territories.
Don’t make stuff up.
Title 52 USC has nothing to do with The US Constitution.
And if you must…
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title52/subtitle1&edition=prelim
Vivek…..smells like a rhino but given time he may ascend, too early to tell.
If you are MAGA, you are in it for the long term. The many passionate responses we are seeing on this thread are evidence that the choice of Donald Trump’s VP matters a great deal to the MAGA movement.
My personal preferences, in order, are Kari Lake, Ben Carson, and Devin Nunes. General Flynn should be reserved as Special Presidential Assistant for Deconstruction of the IC.
We should not be too surprised that if Donald Trump somehow manages to enter the White House in January 2025, the maneuvering for 2028 will begin immediately and will include the likes of Marco Rubio, Tulsi Gabbard, plus the usual RINO-globalist suspects.
If you are MAGA, you are in it for the long term. Actions speak louder than words. The MAGA vote in 2028 will go to a candidate who has a strong track record of delivering on his or her MAGA promises in the four years prior to the 2028 election, and who can demonstrate through past performance a clear intention to carry on with the MAGA program post 2028.
2028 – regardless of who is VP- will be another big primary season, like 2016, with multiple competitors. No guarantee Trump’s VP will become the R candidate in 2028.
Kari needs to win her Senate race to advance to VP or higher IMO… or hold a cabinet position in Trump 47’s administration.
If MAGA doesn’t pull this off in 2024, then 2028 might not even matter.
True, it probably won’t matter.
If Trump loses (successful election fraud) then either the USA will be a full-on totalitarian state by 2028 and we Americans just accept our slavery/indentured servitude OR there will be another Revolution/civil war
… so we need to pray … and work to get out the vote for Trump and IMO for Rs down ticket too in order to give Trump SOME leverage and possibility of success… which will be totally impossible w/a Dem controlled Congress.
Why can’t we just focus on 2024 instead of a bunch of future hypotheticals?
Or, is that the intention?
I’m not fond of Rubio, and I think it’s smart for Trump to Trust No One in Washington – the corruption is too deep and systemic to think otherwise.
That said, I agree 100% with Sundance – we are in a “Trump or Die” situation. Either Trump wins and we have a chance at saving America, or the Marxists-Swamp partnership wins and America as we knew it ends.
I’m really puzzled when fellow Conservatives seem to get put off or offended by Trump’s mannerisms. I compare this to WW2 and Patton chosen as General for the saving of Europe. Patton was (by some accounts) bombastic, arrogant, and quite often could be a “jerk” to others, but he WON BATTLES. That is the only priority that mattered, we’d win the war or lose, and people who GOT RESULTS were picked to lead our forces, their mannerisms be damned. We’re in the same situation now, realize it or not. I don’t care if Trump picks a hamster for VP, Trump gets my vote.
Then it will be a 4 year band aid with someone else it could last 12 years
It matters a lot that Trump’s election not be a four year band aid –> If you are MAGA, you are in it for the long term.
exactly as i stated
Repeal the 22nd. It is not Constitutional for the Congress to determine a restraint against the Executive Branch of Government.
Agreed.
I agree, Mike. President Trump’s mannerisms are PERFECT!!!!!
Because they are using “mannerisms” as an excuse in some cases. In other cases the voter is that stupid and lo info.
Pussies versus common sense spoken words.
President Trump’s mannerisms have never bothered me. As a matter of fact, it is refreshing to hear him not pay lip service to the Cabal and TDS sufferers. 😊😊
The reason “they” care about manners is that it is an old convention, Marquis of Queensbury Rules. Act as gentlemen, even when you lose. Well, I am tired of “losing” to a bunch of traitors. Times up, gloves are off. Try your rules during battle and see which end of the bayonet you are on.
Sorry, couldn’t let this go:
>Patton chosen as General for the saving of Europe
No, Patton was not chosen “for the saving of Europe”. He was chosen to take over First Army in North Africa after the defeat at Kasserine Pass demonstrated the US Army was incapable of armored operations.
Dr. Carson has always struck me as the kind of quiet man who just wanted to be left alone.
What happens when the man who just wanted to be left alone, isn’t?
Whole lot of strength beneath that quiet exterior, available when required.
We used to call this “character.” And true character can be ferocious when protecting what one loves.
He’s a wolverine in disguise:)
Carson has no understanding of world economic warfare.
Neither did we until Trump showed us….
True. And neither did, nor does, the entire fed govt pre- and post-Trump. They all did an outrageously incompetent job with our trade and domestic economics.
A bunch of HS seniors could do a much better job then the degreed econ “experts” sitting in positions of power throughout our govt -Fed and state.
That is painfully obvious now. The hubris, waste, graft has saddled us with a 35 Trillion debt and nothing to show for it.
+ Carson is a quick study.
Yes, and now we must demand that understanding. It works better than the Military Industrial Complex.
This was always just an excuse for kick-backs.
Well, there was a big whiff of “Why the Hell are we not manufacturing anything anymore.”
I saw with my own eyes Bethlehem Steel going down. Did not take a lot to see what was happening.
Really? I distinctly remember Dr. Ron Paul raising the economics aspect a raising tyranny, going back to late 1980s.
Agree but there is no time for on the job training.
Have you asked him personally? Please, share what he said that allows you to make such a definitive statement.
Carson is a surgeon. Donald Trump was an economics major. Feel free to interview each person.
If you have seen each man interviewed, you might come to a similar conclusion.
And yes, I have met Donald Trump personally.
That can be easily learned.
If he could develop the procedures to perform fetal heart surgery then he is certain smart enough to learn the basics of economics and economic warfare.
Thus far our “elite” have done an excellent job of proving they don’t understand world economic warfare.
Learned and having a fire in the belly are two different things. When each person speaks, each conveys their fire.
You tell me which one conveys what.
PS
Our elected officials do indeed understand economic warfare…against their constituents and for their own wallets.
Two different things. Being a surgeon is like being a mechanic or doing one of the trades.
+ Carson did run for POTUS in 2016 so he wants the job… and believes he can do it. He wants to devote the remainder of his life to saving the Republic… however he can be most useful.
For Carson this is not about praise, professional success, etc. He already did that. He is now committed to the cause of MAGA/America 1st Agenda.
Ultimately, whoever Trump chooses as his VP will be the right person. We need to trust Trump.
The time of all of us not just being left alone has came and gone, for Ben Carson just like the rest of us. My opinion, he’s a nice guy. Being too nice is what’s got us in this predicament. We need someone as tough, quick on their feet, and willing to punch back as DJT is.
I can’t think of any.
I respectfully but vehemently disagree. We didn’t get here by being timid. If we’re being totally honest, we got here because we got lazy and lost our fidelity to the Constitution. A Representative Republic demands we participate by regularly communicating our opinions to our elected representatives. For too long we’ve believed the crap that elected officials ignore constituents. They might be able to ignore a couple, but if only 10% are engaged, those 10% become 100% in their minds. Remember, above all, a career politician that makes it to DC soon becomes intoxicated by power. Heck, they’re human! We simply need to constantly remind them by whom that power is granted.
Doesnt matter when they are bought off. They retire with their millions from their special interests and dont give a tinkers damn about the “citizens” they represented.
My daughter graduated from high school in 1996. Dr Carson was the guest speaker. He did a wonderful job.
I know EXACTLY what happens to the man who simply wanted to be left alone. He further strengthens his faith, tells his family that he unconditionally loves them, learns to articulate to others what he knows to be true and, frankly, finds himself blinking less when describing evil to others. And in the face of known evil, exposes them by remaining true to his principles in the life he lives.
We are not afraid of a good fight because only we and God know what imperfect people are capable of when our families are threatened. I pray it doesn’t get to that stage but I know that good will prevail.
Ultimately yes, but there are sometimes long interludes when evil runs rampant.
Dr. Ben Carson is a great choice. My preference is Dan Patrick, Texas Lt. Governor.
Rubio as VP means Trump has learned nothing. Would still vote for Trump, if course but any complaints about back stabbings, etc, will fall in dead ears.
Is Rubio also being from Florida an issue?
Someone explained that it only applies to the FL electors. Rubio isn’t a natural born citizen.
He is not? Looked at his bio. Born in these uSA. SCOTUS ruled he is “natural born.” It is time for the term to be defined in an amendment, right along with elimination of dual citizens, prohibiting elected/appointed/employed persons from any government office/position that are members of a foreign government or foreign military, only USA citizens voting in elections in any level, only USA citizens counted in census, only question in census being # of citizens in household. And others.
So much cleaning up to be done.
Get Rubio off these darned lists and out of Trump’s mind.
Yes I believe “natural born citizen” needs to be defined. Rubio is a “native born citizen” – born in the USA. These are 2 separate terms with, obviously, different definitions.
IF your father is a foreign national, not a US citizen… and u r born in the USA but live a chunk of your life in your dad’s country (eg Russia), then return to the US and live here for 14 years b4 running for POTUS … is such a person a “natural born citizen?” Such a person, like Obama, would also be a citizen of his father’s country – dual citizenship.
If so, then there really is no reason to refuse to permit naturalized citizens from being POTUS. At least they must swear allegiance to the US and go through a process.
The point of NBC requirement — required JUST to be potus/VP– is to create distance from and legal allegiance to foreign countries. Born in the USA to a foreign father/parents and living in a foreign country for many years ….should not be a person eligible to be POTUS and c-in-c.
I know the difference re. natural vs native- SCOTUS is wrong but has a say in the matter and I am a nobody.
If it was up to me, immigrants would not become natural born until 3rd generation, at the earliest.
Any USA citizens that:
1) votes in a foreign election, or
2) becomes a soldier for a foreign government, or
3) takes any office in a foreign government
forfeits the USA citizenship.
His parents were not born in the USA, and were not even naturalized.
https://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/natural-born-citizen/
Very good people already in place at the state level should remain there.
I agree but we also need someone that also knows Robert Rules and how to use it for the benefit of us, and not the sewer rats.
NO RUBIO
I probably shouldn’t even say this, because it may not have occurred to many people, but Rubio may just be a bright lure on a fishing line to attract big GOP donor groups who had previously identified as Never-Trumper.
More than ever before, the ground game of chasing ballots and the legal strategies for policing elections will require enormous funding, and Trump will need record-breaking amounts to win. Dems will bring their best game. WE KNOW THAT!. AND their best game has always been world-class CHEATING, and LITIGATION.
This time we have to outrun them on the field of play, and out-block them in court. Many platoons will be moving at breakneck speed.
WILL, GUTS AND PLENTY OF MONEY! That is what will make the difference, and if Rubio being on the ticket is the price, then that’s what it will have to be.
Lastly, we won’t just be facing a weakened Biden, but rather the entire international fund of anti-Trump dark money, and dirty trick brigades of WEF deep staters.
I oppose Rubio as VP but will accept Trump’s choice. Trump will know exactly why he chose his VP (including Rubio) so I will just accept that Trump knows what he’s doing and why. After all, his own life is on the line… and he knows that.
Rubio is a shorter version of Pence. I would be a hard NO.
Bravo
Pence comes to mind when I think of Rubio,only he sweats more. My pick has been Ben Carson from day one…
Rubio for VP, that’s a great idea!
Did you forget this – ‘/sarc’ – ?
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This would be a horrible move on President Trump part…PERIOD –
There would only be 2 people that I would chose at this point –
One being Dr carson the other being Harriet Hageman –
Am I going to say this…With out President Trump there is no Maga
With out President Trump Mega will fade or be diluted to the expectations of the deep state and Rubio.
We need someone who can take over the movement If something god forbid should happen to president Trump or for when his 4 years are over – Rubio would never and will never fill that roll for the people who elected Trump.
I believe having Rubio as VP makes it that much easier for them to remove Trump anyway they see fit…
This time around, PDJT is fully aware that he will have at least 1 “handler.”
Forearmed gives him the opportunity to pick “handlers” that he will place where they themselves will be handled.
Interesting perspective. And probably true… but I hope not.
What does this even mean? Handler? so the VP will be his Handler?
no RUBIO ever….EVER…. not even for this so called handler – not a inch near the campaign- if that was the case he would be better with rand paul please
Ben Carson is a good man. A man of faith. Did he go into the projects and revamp the peop;e and set them free? No, maybe it can’t be undone? But all’s we heard is he or his wife bought an expensive table. It was twisted but what did he do to drown this out?
Also: He is in his 70’s Trump needs a young VP. I like Vivek. Especially over Rubio or Romney in heels tricky Nikki.
Vivek isn’t a natural born citizen. Look up the fraud Vivek committed with an Alzheimer’s drug.
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None of those three (Vivek, Nicki, Rubio) is a natural born citizen.
IMO, this is what is wrong with America. Too many UNnatural born citizens in high places. we need patriots everywhere. Probably not possible now that FJB let all the hordes in.
Wasn’t the table ordered long before Carson became Secretary of HUD but the Bolshevik news media tried tagging Carson for the purchase?
I would think Carson would have this sewn up. He’s already served in the admin and proved himself. Trump loves loyalty and that’s in place. He helps retain the Faith vote and the black vote. As far as I’m concerned it’s Ben… and needs to be.
No. More. Pence’s.
Plus Rubio is from the same state as Trump. I didn’t think that was allowable.
I believe this area is the point of contention in the process. I don’t believe it’s been tested before. ‘
‘The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate’
One interpretation is if the electors, say of Florida, ballot for PDJT, they would be disallowed from balloting for Rubio, negating his electoral approval from Florida. I believe that is what the contention surrounds.
Basically, in a contested and close race, in electoral college, selecting a VPOTUS from the same member State as the POTUS is like shooting yourself on both feet.
😄 Yes.
Which could, in theory, send the election of VP into the Senate.
My gut is telling me it’ll be Youngkin, especially with the recent polls showing a tie in Virginia. The most important thing is victory and POTUS Trump! Youngkin has high approval ratings in Va, and if he can carry Va., it’s all over. I’d prefer Mark Robinson of North Carolina, just to see him and Trump on stage together. He can bring the fire!
Youngkin is Carlyle Group – CCP.
Ben Carson because he can be TRUSTED and checks all the boxes- Detroit, Johns Hopkins, Christian, moral code, example of up from poverty, good fundraiser, etc. The other possibilities are tossed out there to see the responses and show he is open to a range of candidates.
Johns Hopkins is just as corrupt and degenerate as NIH. They torture owls not beagles. They are full on Woke.
Most institutions are full on Woke. Carson brings integrity and loyalty. Trump needs at least someone he can trust in his inner circle. He’s a safe choice.
Carson’s drawback is he has no skills/experience in pushing legislation and being a whip to get Repubs in Congress in line. Maybe a guy like Sen Vance could bring that.
You are spot on.
People need to realize that Senator Rubio won’t stab President Trump in the back out of self-preservation. The only way Rubio becomes President in 2028 is through Trump. If Rubio undermines Trump as VP, then Rubio’s political career is cut short (see Mike Pence). Rubio brings the Establishment into the Trump fold for a unified ticket. Hopefully, Rubio has enough connections in the IC to stop the election steal. President Trump will easily right the ship in less than four years, but he needs to win with the least amount of resistance from the Establishment and IC. Rubio provides the political cover that Trump doesn’t have now. I can live with Trump fixing everything in four years and the Establishment maintaining Trump’s policies for infinity.
Given the reach of the Communists and the power of Branch 4, anyone being turned to the dark side is a possibility, not to be confused with a probability.
One posit is retire young and wealthy and die an old man in one’s bed. Politics isn’t everything. We likely don’t know the full contours of who has done exactly that in the last decade, at least, across all branches of government.
That’s like saying LBJ knew he could only be President in 1968 after two JFK terms, so he would have to have been loyal to JFK out of self preservation.
We all know how that turned out.
And LBJ was so flipped out and heart-attack ridden he never DID run again. Really wonder if the CYA got to him?
Vietnam debacle.
LBJ created the Vietnam debacle. Nixon got us out of there. However, you would never know it from the staged hippie
Antifamovement, right?Right.
Americans were innocent back then and didn’t have the alternative media. It would be obvious if Rubio worked with the Deep State to do something similar. I don’t think Rubio is an assasin.
Agree with DK that Rubio would unify the RINO and MAGA groups and is connected enough to the IC and their dirt to possibly thwart an election steal 2.0.
Trump, sadly, is a stay of execution for America. Barring a national spiritual revival, after his term, the US will return to its course of moral destruction which leads to the destruction of everything else. It’s biblically inevitable. The time of the Gentiles is drawing to a close and the period of Jacob’s trouble is on the horizon. There’s a reason the WEF is pushing hard toward Agenda 2030. The 2030’s will be a wild time in human history.
BS.
No true MAGA would ever trust a known IC controlled asset.
Rubio in there is exactly what the IC would want to take down Trump.
Doom and gloom on America’s future is not certain and more and more are turning to God.
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Would you believe in someone who is not a “known IC controlled asset”, but an asset of the IC nonetheless— with control having been bartered for that asset as a minor, giving that asset no control over being categorized as an asset . . .?
Not Stabbing President Trump in the back wasn’t even a momentary thought in Pence’s brain!
General Flynn checks my three requirements for PDJT VP.
1) A true MAGA patriot with attacks from the Marxist police state to prove it.
2) A VP that the Marxist police state fears more the PDJT.
3) Is capable of being PDJT’s hammer in removing the Marxist police state.
Should We the People somehow overcome the epic level of election and voter fraud I fear the Marxist police states final move will be assassination.
This is why he can’t pick a ‘typical’ VP.
PDJT very life, and by extension the fate of returning to a Constitutional Republic, depends upon it.
The process of super-securing the new elected president until the VP and incoming staff can remove the CIA threat is key in my mind. PDJT represents a far greater threat to them than JFK did.
As Sundance has said, there are trillions at stake. Not to mention serious and legally legitimate jail time for many members of organized crime syndicate pretending to be a legitimate government via rigged voter and election systems at the Federal, State and corrupt blue city levels. This Marxist rot goes far beyond DC. Just look at what is going on in ‘conservative’ AZ and TX.
I thought General Flynn was/is a Democrat, his family seems to be democrat-leaning, though he showed as non-partisan because of his military ranking and service.
What he was put through speaks to my fear of a real hard-liner wanting to destroy instead of fix if given the chance to go after those who went after him.
Rubio isn’t a natural born citizen. His parents weren’t citizens when he was born here.
That argument keeps coming back up.
It is baseless.
It’s not baseless. This false interpretation of “birthright citizenship” and pretending not to know what “natural born” means needs to die in a SCOTUS ruling.
The 14th amendment was for ONE reason only — to give citizenship to former slaves. Just as in the specified case in law, where ambassadors and embassy employees have children in the US, the children are NOT US citizens.
Either the Constitution stands corrected, or the Ambassadorial law is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to deny citizenship to Children born in the US to Ambassadors and/or embassy workers.
To be a natural born citizen, one may NOT be subject to another jurisdiction. If the parents come from, say INDIA and were Indian Citizens at time of birth, then they inherit their citizenship from the parents and are THUS subject of another jurisdiction.
The ONLY possible 14th amendment loophole would be if the foreign state did not recognize or grant citizenship to children born of their citizens in another country. I know of no such case however.
This perversion of the US Constitution needs to end. It’s an INSANE way to create fake citizens.
“While some constitutional issues are truly difficult, with framing-era sources either nonexistent or contradictory, here, the relevant materials clearly indicate that a “natural born Citizen” means a citizen from birth with no need to go through naturalization proceedings. The Supreme Court has long recognized that two particularly useful sources in understanding constitutional terms are British common law3 and enactments of the First Congress.4 Both confirm that the original meaning of the phrase “natural born Citizen” includes persons born abroad who are citizens from birth based on the citizenship of a parent.”
https://harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-128/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/
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Naturalization literally means to convey citizenship to an alien.
The Constitution gives the power of ‘naturalization’ to Congress.
Congress, in 1790 and again in 1795, conveyed citizenship to certain classes of people to be ‘like’ a natural born citizen — to wit, citizens at birth — with no requirement that such people go through a ‘naturalization proceedings’.
That Congress made a naturalization act giving citizenship to people who do not have to go through the naturalization process is confounding to some due to the misplaced attempt at equivalency of the term ‘citizen at birth’. People who are citizens at birth due to the naturalization law are separate and distinct from natural born citizens.
This distinction is also in The Constitution, whereby ‘citizens’ are eligible for public office, whereby only natural born citizens are eligible to be president and vp.
To be a citizen at birth, thereby, is a canard that many (e.g., Ted Cruz) try to conflate with being a natural born citizen, when, in fact, citizen at birth is a closed set which includes both those who gained citizenship through a naturalization law and those who are natural born citizens.
Thus, all natural born citizens are citizens at birth, but not all citizens at birth are natural born citizens, as that designation is, itself, a closed subset of the whole set of citizens at birth.
Not to mention not properly ratified. The history of its ratification is … interesting.
but, here we are.
You could argue the theory as to the meaning of “natural born” prior to Amendment XIV, but since then it’s been mooted. Continuing to harp on what’s now a completely losing argument just diverts from more important issues.
Though Rubio has had exposure to the potential of POTUS twice, in 2012 and 2016, it appears plenty of criticism and dirt were thrown at him but that didn’t loom large among it nor inhibit large donors backing him.
I posit the Commies who post such biographical material would’ve covered it if it was important to their mission, and accept that any hypocrisy, e.g. Zero, is normalized for them. They would’ve attacked Marco with anything and everything.
Young skeletons.
Obama’s presidency is why NBC is moot/irrelevant.
You don’t even need to be born in the USA to be a NBC and eligible to be POTUS and c-in-c.
You could be born in the USSR to a US citizen mother and a Soviet KGB father, grow up in the USSR… and still be legally eligible to be POTUS.
The NBC requirement to be potus is meaningless and ignored now.
Thanks Barry.
AND the fact you were born in the USSR, grew up there and your dad was a KGB agent CAN be successfully hidden from the American people who would only know the “approved narrative” re EVEN the identity of a potus. Hard to believe that is possible but it is.
Thanks Barry.
Technically, if we were to interpret the term “Natural Born Citizen” to be equal to that of the source law documents in British Common Law, then citizenship may only be conferred by the status of the FATHER and not of the mother which was not recognized at that time.
Daniel,
I give you this to chew on…
https://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/natural-born-citizen/
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There is not one shred of credible ‘official’ documentation that identifies the ACTUAL biological father of Obama, and I would say, or his biological mother . . .
I take great comfort in an analysis like this one. This past week Trump said we have to get rid of the Facists and Communists in our government. Trump cannot allow himself to win the election and then be tied down like Gulliver for the next 4 years. As Joe Dan Gorman said we are at War. Trump must unleash the ” the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword”.
In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free
While God is marching on
Bad Idea.. JFKesk
Sundance right on all counts. Especially about the Republicans and conservatives that whine things like “I just wish Trump would act more presidential….” or “if only Trump wasn’t so brash and Tweeted nice thoughts”
It’s like having armed robbers in your house pointing guns at you, and wishing the cop that responds and saves you doesn’t use a loud gun or talk rude to the robbers.
Republicans and conservatives *need to get rougher and tougher* on liberals, not “nicer”!
This is a ruse by whining RINOS. President Trump is plain-spoken. Stop being pussies.
President Trump speaks American.
The mean tweets idiocy was created by clowns to be consumed by lesser clowns.
“What are we to make of President Trump’s possible choice of Marco Rubio as his VP?”
What we are to make of it is that it’s Trump’s choice and not the choice of those who think they are so much smarter than him.
Whiff.
Seems like Sundance is trolling the deep state with this article!
For VP…. I think it should be Hillary.
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Made you look!!
/s
Somebody find Buckman, launch him out a torpedo tube.
https://clip.cafe/down-periscope-1996/ok-somebody-find-buckman-launch-out-of-a-torpedo-tube/
Better yet, President Trump have Bbbbiden as his VP choice. 🤣🤣🤣
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Why not Que-mala?
Then he could investigate her credentials and replace her with whomever she pilfered same from . . .
Should anyone responsible for COVID-19 production or distribution be permitted to work for the government to include contractors?
Law Professor Dr. Francis Boyle, Who Drafted the 1989 Biological Weapons and Anti-terrorism Act, Claims COVID-19 mRNA Injections are Weapons of Mass Destruction in New Affidavi According to Dr. Sansone, the pleadings claim that the distribution of these injections violates several laws, including:
Jun. 9, 2024
Biological Weapons 18 USC § 175; Weapons and Firearms § 790.166 Fla. Stat. (2023);
Federal Crime of Treason 18 USC § 2381;
Treason § 876.32 Fla. Stat. (2023);
Domestic Terrorism, 18 USC § 2331;
Terrorism § 775.30 Fla. Stat. (2023);
Murder § 782.04 (1)(a) Fla. Stat. (2023);
and Genocide 18 USC §1091;
Florida Drugs and Cosmetic Act § 499.005 (2) Fla. Stat. (2023);
Fraud § 817.034 Fla Stat. (2023);
Accessory After the Fact § 777.03 Fla. Stat. (2023);
and Florida Medical Consent Law § 766.103 Fla Stat. (2023)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/law-professor-dr-francis-boyle-who-drafted-1989/
Rubio might be selected to shore up support with the country clubbers and the hispanics in the GOPe?
just a guess.
i think the psychopaths that covet power on DC have no limit to their desires of power abuse, but are limited only by fear for their own skins and what they believe to be politcally viable.
for example, Cliven Bundy standoff. my opinion is that obama and the atf would have liked to open fire and kill the 200+- Americans standing with Bundy, but they didnt because they thought theyd lose that PR battle and associated political battle.
Make no mistake. there are psychopaths that would push a button and kill us all without a second thought if they thought there would be no negative repurcussions to themselves. how many of these have wedged themselves into positions of power? by the look and feel of things, Id say entirely too many
Anyone who is well skilled in driving massive labor force reductions.
95% of the Federal government jobs have to be eliminated for this country to survive.
I can’t stress enough how displeased I and many will be if Trump puts Gunga din on the ticket. It would be so unnecessary. I’m okay with Carson. I personally don’t get the JD Vance worship. Am I the only one who finds it strange that the only woman on the 6 person short list that was published last week was Elise Stefanik?
Rudy said on a podcast last week that “there’s a strong argument within the campaign for him to put a woman on the ticket.” If she wasn’t running for Senate, most people would automatically think that would be Kari Lake.
Putting Nikki Haley on the ticket, Trump would have to get a food taster.
The only two that I could think of other than Elise are Sarah Palin and Sarah Sanders.
I think the people saying “Trump needs to pick a woman” are morons.
The American people are desperate for normalcy, not for someone who could be a closeted Karen to be our leader.
Frankly, the biggest winner right now for VP (meaning what would bring in the most votes from the most undecideds) would be a temperate man with a titanium spine and unswerving loyalty to the plan President Trump is laying out… basically reassurance that even if something should happen to President Trump, you could be sure his mission would continue and not be subverted by someone with a different agenda.
One potentially huge problem with choosing Rubio is Constitutional. Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution says that, when the Electoral College meets to determine the president, “the electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves.”
This clause has generally been interpreted to mean that if the presidential and vice presidential candidate come from the same state, the electors from that state cannot vote for both. They could vote for the president, but not for the vice president.
What this would mean in practical terms: Florida has 30 electoral votes. Many interpret the Constitution to mean that Electors in FL would be prohibited from voting for BOTH Trump and Rubio. Obviously, if so limited, they would vote for Trump. If the Trump-Rubio ticket wins by LESS than 30 electoral votes, then Rubio would not be elected.
What happens then? Lots of opinions, but most say that if neither VP candidate got the minimum 270 votes [assumption being that the FL Electors would NOT vote for Harris….they would just not get a vote for VP] then the election of the Vice President goes to the Senate — which is controlled by the Dems. Who would likely pick Harris!!!!
Obviously there are many legal and constitutional issues with all of this. But they can be avoided if Trump would just pick someone other than Rubio.
If he does pick Rubio — he better be prepared to fight some vicious legal battles to avoid having Harris as his VP!!
I am in Michigan and see how the dems are whipping up votes using abortion. Sundance, with respect, no way Dr Carson helps with a single vote here.
Pres Trump isn’t immortal. The SSCI angle and all we know about Rubio makes him wholly unacceptable to me.
“I said in 2015 if Donald Trump showed up to the August Fox debate in five-inch heels, a Carmen Miranda hat and started twerking the podium of Jeb Bush, I would vote for him even harder. …. Because Trump was the only one different than the set of characters organized to help Jeb.”
Ben Carson was one of them.
I agree that he ain’t perfect and makes mistakes but he runs like a willys jeep that keeps on going when the mud gets thicker.
The only alternative as a candidate.
He is the leader of the pack and i’m in the MAGA pack!😉
Good Lord, I do love me some Sundance! I still vividly remember reading his comments during the summer of 2015 which forced me to reassess who the Donald was and I’ve been on the train ever since. I am further reminded of the legendary “wild ride” posting of a Treeper many years ago, that SD requoted here:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2018/01/09/optimal-solutions/
Hear, hear.
“Do not let the Perfect murder the Good” is the lesson from that article you linked back to that we need to keep in mind.
Only God is perfect and our enemies did not put us in this situation with a single perfect master stroke.
One play at a time in the arena then, succeed or fail, making the next play is how the Left moved the ball down the field.
We must do the same. Right now making it to Nov 5, 2024 without WW3 starting is the current play.
With luck, cleaning up Biden’s mess ASAP will probably be the play after that… if we’re unlucky the next play on the field won’t even have the terms USA or elections as part of the discussion.
There are hundreds if not thousands of plays we have to fight through before the 2028 US elections are even on the horizon.
Personally, I’m just hoping we reach the Republican convention without some idiot starting a war that could see my niece and godchildren drafted by the psychopaths.
May God bless you, yes.
” In short, no one is winning this political war without putting God, righteousness and prayer at the forefront as the DC tables are overturned.”
Although a majority of Americans may be religious, to some degree or other, a majority of Americans, like Jefferson and Madison, do not want a religious party. Fusion of government and religion is for Islamic countries.
And Israel too.
Amen.
Dr Carson gives me hope for the future with a love for our Constitutional Republic.
Senator Rubio fills me with fear of a Rino and no love for the citizens of the Republic.
President Trump most likely has his VP picked.
He’s a great showman and knows how to start a national conversation.
Yesterday, he asked the crowd in Nevada: “Who do you like for VP?”
The crowd didn’t roar anyone’s name specific. He looked around and nodded.
Then he said: “Well, we’ve got a lot of great names out there.” …then something like:
“Don’t worry, we’ll pick a good one….”…and I paraphrase.
He’s taking the pulse of the people.
I will be happy with any VP, however, the one I am looking forward to is WHO he PICKS for 2028; if all goes well in 2024.
The next 4 years tells us more than we can imagine right now. We need to be focused on this moment and not borrow trouble for there will be plenty of turmoil and trouble to focus on as HE leads President Trump and his Cabinet to successfully dismantle the evil cabal within and make major moves to MAGA.
God has this and President Trump is the Chosen Weapon for right now.
Don’t get distracted and Stay Frosty.
Much is being made of the New York strategy being in play. Therefore I think President Trump’s VP choice will be — Rep. Elise Stefanik.
That’s a scary thought.
The only flaw in Sundance’s reasoning is we need a warrior VP just in case the IC thinks about JFK’ing Trump. Rubio would likely make that decision more palatable to the IC.
Not so sure about that one.
Trump/Rubio would be paralleling Reagan/Bush too much for my liking considering a close assassination attempt on Reagan and Bush’s IC background.
We need a Praying President and Vice President who will follow The Lord God Almighty rules and laws that are in The Holy Bible. It’s the only way. No compromise.
“You shall know them by their fruits”
No to Rubio, he’s a snake.
Ben Carson is my pick.
If little Marco is on the ballot our household will not vote for Trump. Learn the art of reading people President Trump, did you not learn anything?
If that’s all it takes; then you were never voting for MAGA Trump anyway.
SMDH!
Beware of the Election Integrity Project. They and their affiliates are already laying traps and snares.
With Rubio…is PT in the dark? Or did he pick him to appease the GOPe? Could it be the pick of Cotton and Rubio are the concerns PT has about China? I just don’t know. CL and Carson concern me when it comes to CHina. I have some doubs with DB when it comes to China. Vance , Paxton I do not have doubts. Very hard decision to make…..maybe everything points to DB, Vance, and an outsider Paxton.
sarah palin.
was my wish in 2016…still is.
TRUMP.
PALIN.
because the opposition deserves it….and this moment demands it.
and freedom needs it.
TRUMP.
PALIN.
you’re welcome america.
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LOLOL!!!!! I Like it!
I 100% support Ben Carson. He may be “slow of speech” (his only possible flaw), but his brain is firing on all cylinders. His soul is good and his intentions are good. He is methodical, logical, makes good decisions based on evidence, but of all those qualities, his Faith is what shines bright to me. I agree with Sundance. We need someone of metered disposition not a firebrand, to back up Trump. We need someone who is standing on The Rock, not quicksand. We need a man who can’t be bought and won’t sell his soul to the devil for fame or fortune. I hope President Trump picks Ben Carson, and then we pray over Carson and his family, as we have Trump and his family – for wisdom and safety.
PDJT’s VP needs to be someone that scares the hell out of the cabal, someone that forces them to eliminate both PDJT and his VP to get the results they want. Rubio is the opposite of that person and as mush as I like and admire Dr. Ben Carson, he isn’t that person either.
I have no doubts that they are willing to kill anyone, and as many as necessary, to achieve their goals.
My issue with someone like Rubio is it makes a Trump assassination much more likely.
Ben Carson seems an obvious choice…he’s not easily attacked and helps with a major constituency…
On the other hand, once again primarily voting their wallets:
“The public’s to-do list is little changed from the past two years, though it differs greatly from 2021, when dealing with the coronavirus ranked nearly as high as strengthening the economy on the policy agenda.”
Additionally, Marco Rubio may not be qualified per the requirement of the Constitution. This time there needs to be push back.
Follow the rule of law.
In my alternate 2016 universe, Dr Carson was voted in as President. In 2020 he won reelection. In reality, I voted Trump both years. Dr Carson is my VP pick for this year.