Pavel Durov is the founder, owner and CEO of Telegram, a communication platform used by 900 million people globally to text, chat and video message privately with encryption security. Telegram is an excellent tool for safe communication and has been used by me and others I know for several years.
In this interview Tucker Carlson discusses privacy and freedom in the modern era with Telegram founder and CEO Pavel Durov, a former citizen of Russia who was encouraged (under threat) by the Russian government to leave his country. Pavel now lives in Dubai and operates Telegram from the United Arab Emirates (UAE).
For me personally, this is one of the best interviews I have watched Tucker Carlson deliver. Part of the reason is the content of the discussion is exactly critical right now in the era of this global information war.
There is so much I could discuss from this interview alone it is remarkable; however, I want to focus on two specific points as highlighted: (1) the government interface, and (2) the geopolitical inversion currently underway. WATCH:
First, I am in Russia. I arrived a few days ago, and this experience is a visit through bizarro world. I will be sharing more, including an AMA on my experience in the next few articles. Back to Pavel Durov, first…
The BASELINE – The Durov brothers are exceptionally gifted. In reference to the principle of freedom and liberty that guides Pavel, he has my respect and I understand his value system with great clarity. Pavel Durov recognized very early, much earlier than most, that information would be fulcrum challenge, and without private communication the value of information is always eroded. Privacy is critical in order for accurate information to flow. That is the value of Telegram.
I continue to receive strong negative opinion for my cynicism of Elon Musk. However, pay close attention to what Pavel Durov says about his contacts with U.S. government officials and you will have a stronger baseline to understand part of why I do not trust Musk.
♦ THE TOUCHES – Durov controls Telegram. Durov is the owner and proprietor of Telegram. Durov talks openly about the *touches* from U.S. intelligence and government officials toward him and his communication platform. He is very open about the contacts by FBI and various intel officials, and notes those conversations were always unnerving.
Now, we ask ourselves: why have we never heard Twitter owner/operator Elon Musk talking about this issue.
Beyond the decade plus of independent research on these issues, we get a very good context for how the IC approaches and interacts with the communication platforms from this interview with Pavel Durov. What he shares does not have to be taken at face value because we have background with which to review it. Everything he said aligns with all the research on these issues we have previously discussed. Quite simply, he’s telling the truth as we know it to be.
That said, where is this conversation from Elon Musk? Where is Musk discussing the government contacts and intentions of the intelligence apparatus, FBI, DHS and various Intelligence Community institutions toward the Twitter platform.
I cannot overlook that Elon Musk was talking about the importance of user privacy and security at the exact same time he was secretly complying with the DOJ to give the metadata of all Donald Trump supporters from his platform. These things do not reconcile, and I refuse to pretend this conflict does not exist.
♦ The INVERSION – I call the change in freedom and liberty values West to East an inversion. Pavel Durov does not note this directly, but he outlines the basic issues within his discussion and experience.
For decades the USA and proverbial “west” transmitted messages of freedom and liberty into the “east.” We are all familiar with radio and television broadcasts, and specifically the content therein, from the free West that were blocked by what we called the oppressive East.
There are millions of stories, movies and books written describing how the west tried to send communication to the east showcasing the value of free markets, liberty, and freedom in general. However, in the past 20 years, since the advent of the internet something very curious has happened.
I can tell you from personal experience that now it is the WEST who are blocking the ability of the people from the EAST to receive the message. If you in the EASTERN zone (grey) and you attempt to engage in several communication platforms that connect to the WESTERN zone (yellow), you are more likely to find yourself blocked by the WEST.
Why would the USA or western alliance block the ability of those outside the west to engage with their platforms? One could make the argument they are putting walls around the USA/WEST not to keep the East out but to keep the west locked-in to a specific narrative.
In the example of Russia, I originally thought the blocking issue was exclusive to banking and finance; however, the restricted interface extends beyond those explainable by sanctions. In the modern communication era, some information is more equal than others.
What Pavel outlines about the Russian government asking him for data on users, is identical to what the Twitter files outlined about the U.S government asking the platform for users. Pavel refused to participate; Jack Dorsey willingly participated.
More to follow…
Musk did give us the Twitter Files.
outer world – look! see what the government has been doing!
insider world – Musk telling the govt that if they push him too hard be aware of the things he can unleash!
Negotiations, big business style.
Think about the Twitter files closely.
To me, what the Twitter Files did was slowly release EXPLOSIVE information about what the govt was doing with social media. It was a controlled release. To me the Twitter file release was a way for the govt to escape accountability for a much bigger story on what was actually being done….
The Twitter File release, and essentially the entire purchase of Twitter and what took place in the aftermath, only served to water down the intensity of what really took place and totally eliminated any accountability from govt, or private sector, about the collusion therein….
From the outside the Twitter files looked like a revelatory story…. But in the bigger picture, what was revealed and what changed as an outcome? Nothing!!!
Again, think about it…. If you wanted to eliminate risk for prior conduct, the way the Twitter files was discussed, filtered, released, etc was exactly the way to eliminate risk to govt.
Modified limited hangout
After the Twitter Files Maga rushed back into X like patriots walked into the Capital on j6
Musk has massively increased the data mining operation of x and killed TruthSocial
musk plays both ends of the market. Frontstage he is a red pilled patriot sharing Maga memes daily
Backstage he is required by patriot act to secretly (and deny it’s happening) sell the Maga social graph he himself creates to the weaponized agencies he criticizes
If he was such a big reveal why does he keep his existing and keep winning government contracts and permits?
The flying car permit for example, also globally, if he was a big problem for globalism why is he getting new factories in India and China?
Telegram is the Russian version of Twitter
Modified Limited Hangoits
Platforms for surveillance, data mining
Data analytics, predictive analytics and most of all PRESCRIPTIVE analytics
So Mac, you are saying telegram is compromised just the same way twitter is? It’s just by Russia? So you think everything Pavel said is not the truth? He seemed pretty creditable to me.
What’s your thoughts on tic toc Sundance?
To me It’s good and bad
Not true, the Twitter File release put color into a story that many suspected was true but lacked details.
As for what changed, we are still middle of what is going to be a very long story (To soon to tell).
This is a war on the people of the world by the governments of the world. Sometimes I think all of the “conflicts,” “tensions,” “proxy wars,” etc. are just theater to throw off all the masses. We saw China’s government attack their own people over COVID-19, and our government do a softer version of the same assault on the American people.
I’ve posted here, and on Twitter and elsewhere, about the very long time (1990s) exodus of Chinese, mostly from Fukien Province, to the United States and the network of Chinese restaurants and other facilities here to service them in the United States, from teaching them English and getting them jobs to setting up their own businesses in other towns. This went on with the connivance of both governments. We took the Fukieners, the Beijing government financed many of our deficits and got more of our manufacturing base which made them a military-industrial Superpower and financed the neo-colonial “Belt and Road Initiative worldwide.
Our “Climate/Engery Policies” under Biden are more subsidies for the Communist Chinese ruling class. China, in turn, subsidizes Iran by buying all of their oil, and Iran is Russia’s Number One ally in the world, making Iran an ideal means to launder subsidies to Putin’s regime while Biden and the DNC pretend to hate them.
It’s the governments of the world against the peoples of the world. It is a necessary phenomenon in a “semi-secret” drive to WORLD GOVERNMENT by a global financial elite.
Anyone who is significantly invested in Communist China is dependent on the Chinese Communist Party for the stability of their investments, and the CCP always has strings attached. Therefore, Sundance is right. Musk is compromised but not entirely controlled by the CCP. That explains why he occasionally will be on the right side of truth.
Very succinctly put. Musk’s minute conscience tells him if he wants to survive and keep his wealth he needs to play both sides of the aisle.
What’s musk’s financial outlook with Twitter at the present moment, shouldn’t it have gone under by now ?
We all must remember that Musk depends on the government for many of his contracts that support his businesses. Just a thought!
Found in the bin… 🙁
@sundance, this question is for you. Since you think that it takes the government to fund and run X (formerly twitter), because of servers, bandwidth, storage, processing power, etc. how do you reconcile that with telegram? They have double the monthly users (900m vs 500m for X).
shouldn’t telegram have even greater problems?
I’m NOT saying or suggesting that twitter/X wasn’t/isn’t corrupted. They clearly are by the government. But, the notion that only the government CAN run it never sat well with me. After your reporting, I never doubted that it was compromised.
personally I don’t trust Musk in fact I don’t know that the real Musk even exists. Way too many out points!