Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz and former Department of Defense Chief of Staff Kash Patel discuss President Donald Trump’s criminal case, the J6 targeting and the use of FISA-702 to conduct political surveillance.
I am prompting the video to 02:20 to focus one aspect of the interview on the Republican led FISA-702 reauthorization and extension. I agree with almost everything Mr Patel says about the ramifications of the GOPe House, led by HPSCI Chairman Mike Turner, and the FISA extension. However, there is also an aspect that 99% of everyone misses, and within that dynamic we become victims to our own willful blindness. First, watch the segment on FISA-702 (prompted):
OK, do you hear Patel discussing the horrible decision-making by the republican controlled House as it pertains to FISA-702 extensions.
Everyone agrees the version of the House authorization by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) is the worst possible outcome; it expands 702 abuse by expanding the surveillance authority. That reality is factually accurate and correct.
So, reconcile this:
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Wait, what?
If the 702-reauthorization bill that passed the HPSCI committee vote is as bad as Patel and everyone says it is (which it is); and if the bill completely ignores the reforms that were suggested and advocated for by Patel and Nunes (which it does); then how does Kash Patel reconcile his boss Devin Nunes supporting the bill per Mike Turner?
The reconciliation is found inside the issue I have recently written about.
Mike Turner is lying about the support from John Ratcliffe and Devin Nunes for the HPSCI FISA-702 reauthorization bill. Ratcliffe and Nunes do not support the Turner construct.
But wait, if that is true (which it is), then why are Ratcliffe, Nunes, and by extension Patel, silent about Turner’s false support claims?
The answer…. Institutional preservation of the HPSCI compartment, and a desire for access therein.
Yes, that is correct. They will rage against the outcome of the institutional endeavor, but only so far as the value of the institution itself must be maintained. Ratcliffe, Nunes and yes, Kash Patel are functionaries of the system. Their sense of identity is dependent on the system.
The CIA director, NSA director, ODNI, FBI Director, etc are not in charge of the compartments they represent. They are simply functionaries -middle men- who operate in the space between where the compass points are directed, where the data originates, and oversight of that data that is ultimately filtered and delivered to the functionaries, who then brief the representatives…. who then create policy… albeit flawed policy…. based on a very specific, controlled, compartmented and skewed information flow. (more)
The value of Kash Patel’s institutional currency is connected to his access, even with Republicans in charge. The same is true for Nunes and Ratcliffe.
The institutional leadership, those functionaries in control of the compartment (silo), can block access to the silo thereby devaluing the career currency of other functionaries. The DC preservation system is contingent upon this process being retained.
Nunes, Ratcliffe and Patel will not speak honestly about the Mike Turner outcome, specifically as it relates to the conniving manipulation therein (ie. it’s a f**king lie), because they would run the risk of being ostracized from the HPSCI compartment – from which their value is determined.
The institutional corruption is retained, yet they rail against the outcome of the institutional corruption. See the game?
If this were not the case, Mike Turner would be directly confronted, the lies and manipulations exposed, and a very serious battle would take place publicly.
Unfortunately, that public battle is viewed as too risky. As a result, the corrupt DC functionaries operate without any accountability, no corrective action takes place, no accountability is metered out, and WORSE…. the oblivious general public cheer on the people like Patel who give the illusion they are railing against corruption.
For those who choose denial and pretending over the brutal reality of the example expressed, your criticism of me is irrelevant. The truth exists regardless of your comfort level.
Accepting you are an abused victim to professional gaslighting, manipulation and Machiavellian deceit, carried out by those who claim to be your allies, is painful and unnerving. However, failing to accept the reality of the example cited only retains your status as a victim, a codependent enabler, a battered conservative.
It is a remarkable dynamic. Many people can see how the functionaries played against President Donald Trump this way, but they cannot see how they, themselves, are continually being played.
Want to break the cycle? Then publicly ask Patel in this type of forum, “if the House 702 reauthorization and extension is so bad, then why is Mike Turner saying your colleague Devin Nunes enthusiastically supports it?”
Lastly, the absence of that question showcases why Maria Bartiromo is considered a “key influencer” by those in DC who rely on key influence. Oh wait, you’re thinking maybe Bartiromo just doesn’t know what question to ask. I mean, she just interviewed Mike Turner, so she probably forgot. Yeah, yeah, that’s the ticket.
Well, crap. I do not like this additional info about Kash Patel. And I will struggle with seeing things as they are rather than how I wish them to be as regards him. Another huge disappointment for me. Huge. Although some of the names put together on that letter coalesce with my current beliefs (Pompeo, Barr, Ratcliffe).
Lately I’ve been feeling like I’m being taken by the shoulders and shaken. This is happening a lot. I interpret this as a positive. I so often wish I could shake others by the shoulders. I try but some will not open their eyes and minds. I don’t want to be like them. Some days are very difficult. But every day I thank you, Sundance, for shining the light.
Gut wrenching reality spoken with immense clarity. The 4th branch of Gub’t comes to mind.
Thank you, LSM. Yes, the deceivers are very skilled indeed. 🙏❤️🇺🇸
Janet Ossebaard, the filmmaker known for her documentary series “The Fall of the Cabal” has tragically been found dead after being reported missing for weeks. They say cause of death was suicide. I recall her saying once that if anything happened to her she is not suicidal.
She was a big voice in exposing child trafficking/Pizzagate
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/ws4fMTn6yNc7/
Well done, Janet Ossebaard.
God rest her soul.
Thank you for sharing this sad news.
SHE DID NOT DIE IN VANE!!! IT WILL ALL START TO COME OUT IN THE NEXT YEAR!!! 🤔
RIP JANET!!!🙏
All too convenient for my taste.
Wow. So sad. Does anyone else who followed her think this is suspicious?
ANYTHING supported by Barr is bad juju. It’s like recommending iodine for salad dressing.
What do you expect from a fattie who has no problem filling his pie hole with fattening foods. It is a character flaw, just like Christy. And Pompeo, when he lost his weight, left MAGA too. All of them are traitors. The world was a better place when Trump was president, and none of them can deny it!
“THE” World was a better place for us….However…since their focus is myopically self centered, “Their” world may have been better at the specific moment, but in this current moment, their trade in the “access” described puts their personal benefit at odds with “we the People”
Its really (All of ) us vs Just-us. That’s why the Justice(Just-us) department fits so neatly in the Deep State…a few million functionaries scratching, clawing, and backstabbing their way to a gated Estate in the Swamp…
Per 2019 Washington Examiner article: 6 of the 10 weathiest counties in the US are in Suburban DC.
All of humanity has always lived in duplicitous world. The people who have power and the people who people who never know what the people with power are scheming to do to entrench themselves among the powerful. Our Constitution was a political document and it purported to include all of us. In reality, it never did. Now we are seeing the inevitable results of that duplicity. But it was the greatest run in the history for the rest of us.
I believe there will come a time when we will win outright. God will see to it. Just not in our time. Almost everyone is in the same boat with Patel, Nunes, and John Ratcliffe. We have no room to point the finger at them. The evil is on the other side. We have to learn who are the real enemy before they can be defeated.
I concur with your assessment. It’s not the people in the forefront as much as it is the reptiles in the background ordering which levers to pull.
I am replying to my own comment because I cannot edit it and I did not proof read it before I hit the go button. 1) The second “people who” in the convoluted second sentence should be removed. 2) The second “the” in the last sentence of the first paragraph should not be there. I compose and type very poorly these days and I did not correct these errors. I will keep trying to do better. Occasionally I have good ideas but my mind doesn’t keep up anymore.
FISA works both ways.
We need it to continue spying on Obama and the other traitors for now.
Very possibly.
Two hops from Hunter and Joe and you have all of DC and most of NY and Hollyweird.
Think mirror.
However, I still want to know when all those cameras are coming down.
RIGHT?? Time is the test of truth. 🥸
The full power of the Deep State needs to be turned on the Obamas, Clintons and Bidens. After 2 years of the “Trump” treatment Congress will likely demand changes. Trump must put a hard-nosed MAGA political activist in charge. Maybe Gen. Mike Flynn who has also been victimized?
That won’t happen because they installed armies of Lois Lerners in all the key spots in those agencies. They know what to do, and don’t need to be told.
That would require corrupt, power-hungry, functionaries inside the Deep State willing to target the Obamas. But corrupt, power-hungry, functionaries in the Deep State are BY DEFINITION Democrats, which means they will NEVER attack their Leftist messiah.
Real change comes from without. The system is corrupted to the point where it cannot be fixed; it has to be replaced.
The question is whether the foundational documents/principles can still be considered sound; is the Constitution fundamentally flawed. If we were to start over and rerun the program would we inevitably end up right back in the same corrupt mess?
The biggest problem is when people will not enforce the laws. There solution is to pass new ones as they were never willing to enforce the existing laws. It is the same a parents who refuse to discipline their children. They want everyone to like them.
A part of human nature is we see something bad happen, and we say “There oughta be a LAW!”
First off,, often there already IS a Law,…secondly a LAW is NOT a tool the fixes every problem, and in fact usually creates more and/or bigger problem than it solves.
Never the less, even here on the CONSERVATIVE Treehouse, we see peoples responce to a headline is “there oughta be a law!”
Don’t know,…have you ever tried “going back”?
No, we would not. There were steps along the way to today, where we implemented changes to the original which were profoundly ill advised. There are a few changes that were made that were valid. At each of these junctures, people in power made the changes. One thing that could have been done differently is supporting McCarthy in his efforts to remove communists from the halls of power within our government. Unfortunately, this was not done.
Just went on https://fightwithkash.com/contact
and asked the question SD had proposed,
“if the House 702 reauthorization and extension is so bad, then why is Mike Turner saying your colleague Devin Nunes enthusiastically supports it?”
I won’t hold my breath.
Did the same on his Truth Social page.
The chat function on Gettr on Bannons show can also be used. And Rumble. Lots of us posting. I’m gonna go post on Gettr tight now. To Kash, too.
my heart is a bit sadder knowing this. I hoped Kash was legit, the real deal.
No, they all hate us- All of them. Even the “influencers.” They all hate us. You don’t adore politicians or people; rather, you should only love actions. Was the action good for you, me, our neighbors, and the country? Likey. If not, no likey.
Do not people worship.
Mike Turner is extremely compromised because of his big donors connections and investment in China and the CCP! Bannon on his War room show has presented the compromise that has its hold on Turner!!! 🤨
Bingo! As always SD you are the MVP of the internet. Just amazing as always.
Could this be more blackmail by the DOJ/FBI in order to take down President Trump.
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GWP – “The guards are paid to run domestic surveillance operations that are then funneled into the U.S. Justice System for official targeting operations conducted by the DOJ and FBI. These are tradecraft agents within quasi government agencies, most federal contract agencies, that target politicians and influential people with the specific intent on gaining leverage, blackmail, information etc, for use by those who retain and protect the system.”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/04/07/whos-they/#more-245273
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GWP – “Kash Patel: Republican Majority Rewarded FBI-DOJ for Breaking the Law – Approved FISA Process Through Next Election Cycle
Former Defense Department Chief of Staff Kash Patel joined Maria Bartiromo this morning along with Attorney Alan Dershowitz to discuss political hitman Jack Smith and his political maneuvers to take down Donald Trump.
During their conversation Kash Patel reminded the FOX News audience that Republicans just voted to reauthorize the FISA Program through the 2024 election that was used to spy on President Trump by the FBI in 2016 and beyond.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/kash-patel-republican-majority-rewarded-fbi-doj-breaking/
CTH – Ratcliffe, Nunes, and by extension Patel, silent about Turner’s false support claims? The value of Kash Patel’s institutional currency is connected to his access, even with Republicans in charge. The same is true for Nunes and Ratcliffe.
So is the blackmail the threat to remove access for Ratcliffe, Nunes, and by extension Patel the driving force.
Then who would have the power to access the NSA database whenever needed? And, who would benefit most?
Maxine Waters Confirms Obama’s role
“Obama is leaving in place a database on everything on every individual.”
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CTH – Bill Barr is protecting the weaponized institutions of the Director of National Intelligence (Bush/Cheney), the Dept of Justice – National Security Division [DOJ-NSD (Obama/Holder)], the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA Court), and the Dept of Homeland Security (Bush/Cheney). These institutions, according to AG Bill Barr, are now in full control of the executive branch, full control of government, and now more powerful than the Office of the President of the United States.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/06/18/sunday-talks-bill-barr-continues-his-crusade-against-trump-in-effort-to-protect-the-bush-obama-surveillance-state-and-doj-fbi-constructs/#more-247896
I was down on Nunes months ago after he was so against McCarthy being kicked out. Nunes quit after doing a good job to run a stupid social media company for Trump? What exactly is he doing to help Trump. Then Kash, I remember watching him talk after the horrid 2020 election, he was always grinning, wearing a jogging suit when he appeared on podcasts and giving out a web address for people to donate too. No one else thought it was weird but me. And now with this reveal by Sundance, if Trump is allowed to win, he should not rehash Kash or Nunes. They have completely gone deep state. The shocking cowardice and sell out by these republicans is truly sickening. Trump is the ONLY ONE that fights for us, the only one.
I agree with your assessment that Radcliffe, Patel and Nunes aren’t likely enthusiastic about the 702 changes. It’s easy enough to blame them for silence, but perhaps they are keeping their powder dry to fight another day without the public placing a cacophony of pressure on Turner, HPSCI and the rest of the House to back them up.
I wrote to my congressperson multiple times this year about not renewing or severely limiting 702, eliminating propaganda against citizens and dramatically cutting spending. Didn’t even get a response this last time. There have to be ramifications for the senators and congressmen responsible for these clear violations of the constitution. That is unless we’re in a post-constitutional era.
While not getting our representatives attention, one other option is to push state governments to sue the fed government at SCOTUS for broad violations of the 1st and 4th amendments to get both propaganda and warrantless surveillance laws overturned as unconstitutional.
Probably a snowball’s chance in hell of SCOTUS taking up the case or States actually suing the government, but it might be easier than removing and replacing every senator and congressman from office responsible for passing it by hook or by crook.
At the present time I have little confidence in getting any Republican governor to do anything to take back states rights. They all depend on Federal money to run things and they’re cowards. Democrat Governors totally wreck their states while Republican Governors think they’re doing a good job if they just hold the line. It would only take one good firecracker conservative Governor to show what needs to be done and we might start a trend especially with Trump as President again.
We all know what we’re gonna have to do. Athens, McMinn County, TN.
Get it yet…the RNC is the complete problem. They LIE all the time.
F Mike Johnson,
I don’t know how he can call himself a good Christian. A Christian knows right from wrong.
It’s people like him that bring reproach on the name of Christ. Disgusting. May God correct him harshly.
It is a little disingenuous Sundance, because you know that Ratcliffe, Nunes and Patel would never be able to impact the Committee votes, much less influence the house…..regardless of any pushback. For Trump to have a chance in ’24 while his supporters are being corruptly investigated through this new/old FISA oversight, those three need to in place and have a seat at the table. These are two facts of life the RNC created due to their corruption.
The RNC alone its elected representatives, funders and the propogandists (not anyone on CT ) is the COMPLETE problem, beginning, middle and end. They are worse than the Democrats. We know what the D’s will do. The R’s are intended to be the loyal opposition; but they are neither loyal or opposed.
“Unfortunately, that public battle is viewed as too risky. As a result, the corrupt DC functionaries operate without any accountability, no corrective action takes place, no accountability is metered out, and WORSE…. the oblivious general public cheer on the people like Patel who give the illusion they are railing against corruption.”
The Outrage Industry is thriving. (And lucrative! People have written books about it.)
The talking heads don’t want real solutions. That would make them obsolete.