Devin Nunes was previously the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. In that very specific role, Nunes was a member of the Gang of Eight who are briefed on all intelligence issues at the same level as the President, the chief executive. The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman, is the #2 ranking intelligence oversight member within the national security oversight apparatus, exceeded in rank amid the Gang of Eight group only by the House Speaker.
As the HPSCI chairman, Nunes has a very granular understanding of intelligence language and the way the intelligence apparatus uses words within national security documents. When Nunes talks about national security documents, he is a subject matter expert on the administration side of the process. Why is that important right now? Because Nunes knows how to contrast the wording in the Jack Smith indictment against wording used to describe national security documents.
Pay very close attention to this interview, prompted to 05:06, for the Nunes part. You have to get past the paid to obfuscate Mrs. Hannity interruptus, as she tries to shut down Nunes from bringing sunlight on the indictment. However, what Nunes introduces in his comments is the origin of what I am going to explain after the interview.
This is a game-changing context for the Jack Smith indictment. Again, pay close attention. WATCH:
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What almost everyone in professional narrative engineering/punditry is missing, many of them because they are paid to pretend not to know, is that the national archivists gave sworn testimony to Congress about the Trump documents on May 17, 2023 {citation}. What I am going to outline below will explain the fraud that Jack Smith and his Lawfare crew are purposefully generating.
Some baselines are needed for you to understand what is happening.
First, the National Archives and the DOJ did not demand a return of Classified Documents. They requested a return of documents containing classification markings. These are two entirely different things.
Most documents containing classification markings are not classified documents; yet, most classified documents contain classification markings. Additionally, one of the documents used by Jack Smith in his indictment [COUNT #11] contained no markings at all.
Second, it is critically important to remember that throughout the legal issues in the aftermath of the Mar-a-Lago raid, the DOJ has viciously denied any responsibility to describe the classified documents they claim to have retrieved. In fact, the DOJ has fought against any entity, including the court appointed “special master”, from being able to look at the documents the DOJ *previously* claimed were either classified, or, vital to national security. {GO DEEP}
Because there is a very specific type of Lawfare taking place with words, it is critical to see the value in what Devin Nunes understands about the way the language is being deployed. Now we return to the testimony of the national archivist office, and here is where it gets really interesting.
♦ During testimony to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) officials were asked specifically about Trump documents and how they could *KNOW* fulsome return of documents had not taken place. The response from the NARA officials is enlightening:
[Source pdf, testimony transcript – page 43 and 44]
Notice that NARA had knowledge these documents were in the possession of Trump and were pertinent to their archive retrieval. It was interesting at the time that NARA would know the content of the President Obama letter, and further interesting they would know there was more than one piece of correspondence between President Trump and Chairman Kim [Jong-un]. CNN even wrote about it HERE.
[Irrelevant note: Mr Bonsanko got the name wrong, Jong-il is dead]
Reminder, keep in mind the DOJ ferocity in not wanting anyone to know what documents they retrieved and/or defined.
We know, from President Trump describing the letter left to him by the former president, that Obama told Trump in the letter that the number one foreign policy and intelligence threat perceived by Obama (at the time of his exit) was a nuclear armed North Korea. This is where you overlay the Jack Smith writing in the indictment of national defense secrets and nuclear security issues.
We know, from President Trump speaking publicly about his communication and diplomacy with Chairman Kim Jong-un, that the two leaders exchanged letters relating to aligned national security interests that centered around DPRK nuclear ambitions and status.
Trump and Kim formed a geopolitical truce, a friendship of sorts, based on respect and trust around the nuclear issue. Chairman Kim decreased hostilities; President Trump no longer used inflammatory language about “Little Rocket Man.” A diplomatic détente was created.
NARA was looking for the letter written by Obama that described DPRK nukes, and NARA was looking for letters between Trump and Kim that touched on DPRK nukes.
Now, does the wording in the Jack Smith indictment that pertains to “nuclear concerns” and “national security matters” make more sense?
Would all of this “nuclear national defense” hullaballoo really stem from President Trump not giving up personal letters written to him by President Obama and Chairman Kim? YES! Would President Trump even characterize those letters as government property? NO!
♦ The indictment accuses President Trump of withholding documents containing “classified markings,” a very specifically deployed obtuse wording intended to create the implication of something nefarious where nothing nefarious exists. It is entirely possible for a person, any person, especially a person who follows the news, to possess documents containing “classified markings.”
There is a big difference between a classified document and a document containing classified markings. As an example, anyone who has looked at the Carter Page FISA application, made public in July 2018, has reviewed a document containing “classified markings.” When a document is declassified, they do not remove the markings.
This language is the underpinning of the entire DOJ/FBI framework that predicated the raid on Mar-a-Lago. Specifically, neither NARA nor the DOJ-NSD requested President Trump or his team to return Classified Documents. The DOJ demanded the return of any documents that contained “classified markings.” [SEE BELOW]
Because the verbiage is so intentionally obtuse (ie. Lawfare), a fulsome production in compliance with this DOJ demand would include any newspaper or magazine articles that had a picture of the Carter Page FISA application, or any printed online article that might contain the same or similar elements. There is a big difference between asking for a classified document return, and asking for a return of documents that contain “classified markings.”
Can you see the way it unfolds? Of course, when you apply the Lawfare lingo, an approach entirely based on maintaining the targeting of Trump, then suddenly the seemingly innocuous becomes horribly nefarious.
In order to pull this off two things would be needed: (1) the DOJ would need to write about it in a certain way in the indictment√; and (2) simultaneously, the DOJ would need to stop anyone from viewing the actual documents, as they misleadingly described them√. Hey, wait… that’s exactly what they did.
♦ In a previous court ruling by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, the court ruled in favor of the U.S. Dept of Justice – National Security Division (DOJ-NSD), and blocked the lower court order instructing a Special Master to review the DOJ claimed, “classified documents.” [pdf Ruling Here]
Essentially the order of the appellate court was based on the DOJ defining Trump’s Mar-a-Lago documents as “classified” and “vital to national security”, and the court’s determination said they have no authority to question the decision of the executive branch when it comes to how they DEFINE matters of national security.
The court (judicial branch) openly stated they defer to the DOJ (executive branch) regarding any/all claims of harm to national security that may be caused by a review of documents the DOJ-NSD determined, on their own authority, to be identified as classified or matters of “national security.”
In the prior opinion of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, if the DOJ states sharing the “classified documents” with a special master may harm national security, the court must accept that position without challenge and stop the special master review.
The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals did what the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) does with the DOJ-NSD and any matters defined by the originating Main Justice officials as “national security.” The 11th Circuit is deferred to the DOJ.
The DOJ was granted legal benefit of the doubt on all matters of national security, which puts the DOJ-NSD in ultimate control over the star chamber they operate.
This ridiculous ruling meant the DOJ could define any document as a document of “national security interest” and there is no countervailing review of their definitions. As soon as this decision was reached the DOJ then moved to appoint a special counsel. Can you see how this works?
With this ruling in his briefcase, Special Counsel Jack Smith could now define the Mar-a-Lago documents according to the legal intention of his targeting. That’s exactly what he did. The case against Trump is not a case about classified documents, it is a case about the DOJ defining unilaterally what documents are considered “vital to national security.”
With the DOJ getting to define those documents, the special counsel then moves to claim national security threats created by Trump’s ownership. The overlay of “vital to the nuclear capabilities of the defense dept,” can then be shifted to include letters from President Obama and Kim Jong-un about DPRK nuclear capabilities.
But wait, it gets better….
♦ First, ask yourself why would President Obama write about the DPRK nuclear threat in his letter welcoming President-elect Trump to the White House? It always struck me as odd, even years ago, when Trump would talk about this issue. It never made sense why President Obama would memorialize that type of an issue in writing, until today.
Normally that type of national security policy and leadership challenge issue would be part of a conversation. “Mr. Trump, as I depart office the number one issue you might first want to deal with on a national security basis is the nuclear ambitions of North Korea, here’s my opinion“… and so it would go.
Why write it down?
Why memorialize the nuclear threat of North Korea in a letter welcoming Donald Trump? Well, if the Obama intention was to create a written record that would always mean his letter was going to remain hidden from public review, then writing about DPRK nukes would be a way to make that happen.
Lastly, who would know about the content of the letter that President Obama wrote to President-elect Trump, specifically as it centers around a national security issue? Who would know what Obama wrote to Trump?
Lisa Monaco would certainly know the content of the letter written by Barack Obama to Donald Trump; she, Susan Rice and Kathryn Ruemmler might have even assisted in the writing of it. Remember, it was Susan Rice who wrote the January 20th “by the book” memo memorializing the FBI targeting of Trump, and Kathryn Ruemmler represented Susan Rice as her lawyer when investigators made inquiry.
Lisa Monaco was previously President Obama’s senior advisor for national security. Monaco is now the Deputy Attorney General to AG Merrick Garland.
Deputy AG Lisa Monaco is the head of the DOJ operation that was targeting the Trump Mar-a-Lago documents and framing the legal issues for the DOJ to use in court. Monaco would know that any production of documents that did not include the Obama letter would mean a “national security document” remained in Mar-a-Lago.
Special Counsel Jack Smith also reports to Lisa Monaco.
Things making sense now?
♦ There is also a letter from lawyers representing President Trump to the chair of the House Intel Committee that is very interesting [pdf available here]. The letter was written to the HPSCI prior to the testimony by officials for NARA
The letter is written to HPSCI Chair Mike Turner and copied to the other seven members of the gang-of-eight in the Senate and House. The letter outlines the details of the documents that became the contested issue between the DOJ-National Security Division (‘NSD’, important distinction), specifically a DOJ-NSD official named Jay Bratt, and the attorney for President Trump, Mr. Evan Corcoran.
The letter is fascinating because it outlines how the process of moving documents from the White House was weaponized by a politically motivated National Archives and Records Administration (“NARA”), and the letter also gives fulsome context to the types of “classified materials” that have been insanely over emphasized by media.
[…] “Tim Parlatore and Jim Trusty, two of the undersigned counsel for President Trump, reviewed all 15 boxes at NARA earlier this year and based on that review, it is clear to us what happened. The boxes contain all manner of documents from the White House, are loosely grouped by date, and include newspapers, magazines, notes, letters, and daily schedules. Following its review of the materials, NARA inserted placeholder pages where it had removed documents with classification markings. That allowed Messrs. Parlatore and Trusty to discern what the documents were, as well as what other materials in the boxes were in the proximity of the marked documents when the White House staff packed them. The vast majority of the placeholder inserts refer to briefings for phone calls with foreign leaders that were located near the schedule for those calls.” (page 3, pdf link)
Additionally, get this part… despite the standard process that has been in place for the prior four administrations, the NARA refused to participate in the collection of any documents from the White House during the transition phase following the November 2020 election.
The NARA refused to assist in the collection of the Trump records for national archive holding and review, and then the NARA triggered a sequence of events that led to the DOJ using a reference from the NARA, to weaponize a process they refused to engage in. The NARA refused to do their specialized bureaucratic job, and then the NARA used what they defined as an incomplete job as a reason to refer the outcome to the DOJ. The details are quite interesting.
The letter details how the DOJ-NSD then weaponized the process, fought with the FBI investigative and supervisory agents who were saying Trump was doing nothing wrong, and then culminating in a documented lie to the Florida magistrate, in order to get a politically motivated search warrant.
The DOJ will not release the documents they used to convince the judge to obtain the warrant. Additionally, the DOJ will not release a list of the documents, or even describe the documents, they later claimed are classified. To this date, the Trump defense team is being told President Trump held classified documents, yet the DOJ will not describe to the lawyers who represent President Trump, what specifically those classified documents are.
Good catch. They are playing fast and loose with language to make these things sound awful in media soundbites. So, since they mention controlling NKorean nukes, that is the basis of saying that Trump was being irresponsible with “nuclear” information. That is an extremely malicious leak.
The letters to Trump WOULD be his to keep according to the presidential records act.
The letter is interesting. Makes great points. But, man, I hope that is not the lynch pin of his legal defense- well, it’s not Trump’s fault, it’s NARA’s.
I get it. And it does outline the language games being played but….man, please, I hope their legal defense is a tad more robust and pointed than that letter.
It is a good thing (though I don’t believe it) that “The Big Guy” has been proven to be FJB.
However, everything since 2015 Trump announcement can be traced back directly or shadow-handedly to Obama and Obama office (i.e., his handlers).
God bless you SD. MAGA
” The NARA refused to do their specialized bureaucratic job, and then the NARA used what they defined as an incomplete job as a reason to refer the outcome to the DOJ.”
Kind of like when Nancy Pelosi refused extra security on January 6 but had her camera crew around to film it all.
Link to live coverage at the Miami Federal Courthouse. RSBN isn’t live yet.
I do not see how the case against Trump can go forward when the DOJ refuses to identify the documents at issue or even list them. Can you imagine a prosecutor coming into any criminal court and saying that the defendant committed a serious by doing X, but he can’t tell you what X is, it’s just too much of a secret? This is absurd, well beyond the right to confront your accusers and cross examine witnesses and evidence. It is the basis of our entire judicial process.
Hmmmm, curiosity here based on a reader comment. What if their plan is never to have this go to trial and have “discovery” or equivalent, but rather have a judge dismiss the indictment on procedural grounds? Now unless the judge dismisses with prejudice and actively expounds Trumps innocence then every talking head can say he is guilty and the judiciary is just protecting him based on some legalistic typographical error Jack Smith made, etc, etc. Now the commie idiots will hound Jack Smith and others but for all intents and purposes……Trump is still….”guilty”……and we can’t have someone with questions around him in the white house Yada Yada Yada.
They still get to hide all their “back up” that led to all this…..ya know to protect people and methods……
I mean someone posted Joe Scarborough screeching about Trump gave away nuclear secrets and 80% of people say noone should give away nuclear secrets, etc. That 80% right there does better than what any trial would do and they dont have to show any of their 3rd grade crap that led to all this.
Trump allegedly held on to the personal letter outgoing Obama sent to incoming Trump, stating #1 issue was avoiding nuclear armed North Korea. Those are your “nuclear defense documents”.
Trump handled that with breakthrough dispatch – and met NK leader F2F, in Singapore no less.
Kim Jong Un had to go home after visiting this highly successful Asian nation, knowing what he had done to his own Asian country. Location choice alone was a brilliant coup for Trump.
No. The document in question is basis of count 19 of the indictment.
see how they get us debating the details of their bullshit.
they spied on him illegally, they falsified impeachments etc.
the narrative people fighting this should be you are attacking a President as an insurrection and Coup on the United States of America.
Because it’s just simple…the pedo in chief said it back in November…not a fan of Mace but it’s out there.
The purpose is to further harass Trump and interfere with his re-election campaign 2024.
–Covid was not a thing.
–Climate change is not a thing
–Trump selling nuclear secrets is not a thing
–Russia gate was not a thing
–Classified documents in bathroom was not a thing
Yet everything single one became a “thing” to throw at Trump.
the reason is they HAVE ATTACKED your country. and they cannot stop, because quitting lines them up as a TRAITOR and a enemy of this country.
read that above – closer.
They thought the Globe State – the new Constitution was inevtitable. so usurpring was just good and the way cause a new AGREEMENT for this country and is sovereignty was being made (merging into a North American Union, then merging the EU and the NAU to eventually get the Globe State)
Then PDJT showed up and said no Traitor, this is America. and not America Last.
they will not stop throwing things at him. including your WORST imagination.
That answers to Aileen Cannon being appointed the presiding Judge.
Certainly is possible, the moonbats are already howling about that.
Hope she is not compromised…without repercussions…they will not stop at anything…
think about it.
you got a war ahead of you. there is no win coming to us via a court.
its gonna be a standoff, and they are submit and go hide, or they are going to burn us all down with the country.
Interesting question as “discovery” would be opening a Pandora’s box. UNLESS the judge limited scope of evidence to the bogus “charges”, attorneys would have a field day.
I suspect that a loss in FL is built in to make it look like DJT was treated fairly when convicted in DC. Remember there will be two federal indictments, and two state indictments (NY, GA). I expect DJT to go W1 L1 in both contexts.
https://rumble.com/v2tq6su-breaking-donald-j-trump-arraigned-in-federal-court-in-miami-6132023.html
I’m watching RSBN now and they will be streaming President Trump’s speech later in New Jersey.
Again, what pac can I foster to president Trump only?
Judicial Watch is doing a lot of heavy lifting against the law fare now used against Trump, and anyone else who becomes a victim of the government deep state..
Buy an autographed copy of his book 400$ you will get the book and the signed bookplate later …he is kinda busy.
I bought 1 I am considering buying more for Christmas presents.
Currently there are 22 million government employees living solely off our tax dollars. They vote as a Democrat block, they answer polls, they write on the blogs and get interviewed by MSM.
Their government employee unions amass huge archest and spend it exclusively on Democrat causes.
These are not the voices of the people; they are the voices only of their own self-interests.
I worked for a government agency and I and one other voted Trump and I know my fellow employees hated me.
Hang in there!
Subterfuge. Must be real big what Big Gov is hiding behind that $31 Trillion dollar curtain.
Gens XYZ are slowly catching on they have to pay off the debt Democrats are running up right now, to stay in power. Gens XYZ will be paying for this long after this current crop of corrupt, vote-buying Democrats are long gone.
and the limited school loan debt bailout has been a flop that most students realize they have been hoodwinked.
again.
as much as we see “woke” younger generation, they are not immune to the reality that their pocket books are pretty light on opportunity and heavy on debt …both are attributed the the white house squatter, joe malarkey.
this is not lost of these people.
nor is it lost on the hundreds of thousands (millions) who were given boat loads of covid money and dark money which they spent like drunk sailors and for antifa like demonstrations.
all that is gone..and this administration and it’s dark money suppliers have abandoned those “street soldiers”…so now they are scratching their heads realizing: what did we actually accomplish..it looks like we just shot ourselves in the foot and EVERYONE hates us. Which is deserved. It was a stupid cause latching on to that corrupt wagon.
the awareness that continues in stage 4 -transfer of power is not limited to morally conscious people who are persuaded to change their minds and hearts…It’s also those formerly part of the anarchy who realize their actions had no meaning and there was no prize captured. So the defeat which is real, also becomes an awareness
also noting: people who “voted” for joe malarkey…are waking up to the reality..at least the possibility of it …that they did not actually vote and elect joe malarkey…that their votes did not actually get him over the line. This might seem like a small matter…but it isn’t…Imagine “your team” won the superbowl..but then you watch the tape again…and there is little doubt the the game was won by referees that threw the game? There is a certain reaction to that…couple this with “buyers remorse” (joe malarkey did not deliver his promises and everything is far worse than President Trump) and you get hearts and minds that are not just a little upset…but very much disenchanted with the rainbows promised…but never materialized.
God Bless America
>light on opportunity
You must be bleeping kidding me!
At no time in my long life has there been MORE opportunity for young people than now! My engineering firm could hire TOMORROW another TWO DOZEN qualified engineers for the contracts we are CONSTANTLY turning down because we don’t have the warm bodies to do them!
We get resumes every day from college grads who have no experience (never did an apprenticeship or internship or had a job), no work ethic, nothing but theoretical book learning and an inflated sense of their importance–because they rented a college/university seat, often via debt, for X years. And don’t give me this thing about what victims they are with college debt. My father had only an 8th grade level of schooling but he sure as hell knew how the exponential function of a fixed rate of increase (interest) worked, he taught me when I was 10, and I stayed out of trouble with debt my entire life.
How could anyone be allowed in college who DOESN’T comprehend what used to be 7th and 8th grade arithmetic!
We generally end up hiring men who have worked in the field for decades who can be trained in the higher-thinking/technical skills, but who arrive with ample comprehension of what it takes to get REAL WORK done in the REAL WORLD.
That is the main reason I voted for DJT in 2016 and have consistently supported him. He is a man who knows how to get things done. He has been a builder, a creator, a manager of people and processes. Which is why THEY are hostile to him–all the grifting professional victims in their lifetime scammy sinecures they call “careers.”
This republic is falling apart because the Ed Biz for too long has replaced Accomplishment and Excellence with academic grift and victimization culture. The media have magnified and echoed that over and over. And people have been IDIOTS in believing what they are told rather than turning to ACTUAL SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE and saying, “So, how did you accomplish what you accomplished? Tell me more!”
What younger people have now is nearly 40 years of glutes-sitting and expecting to move from job to job to job because they have a degree, or attended some boot camp training thing. They are perpetually on the maternal teat psychologically. They are soft skinned, weak armed, noodle necked, perpetual adolescents who are used to whining and having someone service their tantrums.
And I speak as a mom, grandmom, former university teacher, business owner, and civic-involved woman.
Excellent take. My father was a high school principal, one of the founders of the Maine Teachers Association and a devoted fan of public education. Before he died in April 2007 he was t0tally disgusted with what public schools and publicly funded universities had become. He said we need to burn it all down and start over from scratch. I have been an elected small town public official off and on for over 40 yrs. I agree with him totally. Public employees are destroying our nation!
Jack Smith lives in the Netherlands?? WHAT??? He was also former Chief Prosecutor at the Kosovo Specialist Chambers in the Hague, the Netherlands. As a result, Smith has seldom even been in the United States in recent years, opting instead to live abroad.
https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/06/12/who-is-jack-smith-bidens-special-counsel-lives-abroad-married-an-obama-devotee-linked-to-soros-clinton/
newtreeperPA: Typical of the JoeBama team, none of them have any particular attachment or loyalty to America. Most of them want a communistic, one-world gubmint.
thats standard for an insurrection and a coup. to use their operators (that live Globally, since this is the GLOBE state versus the USA)
Like the Mob, they sent him there after his cases against John Edwards and Bob McDonnell blew up. Needed somewhere to chill out of the US media sight.
Check out Lee Smith interview of Richard Grenell last week, about the indictment against prevous Albanian president Smith whipped up, who remains in orison at The Hague. The Epoch Times or Locals.
Oh yeah Jack Smith has quite a history.
Check this out, Sundance & everyone . . . .
Leo Donofrio, Esq. (@LCDLAW1) – Twit.
1/3 DONALD J TRUMP WAS NOT THE SUBJECT OF THE SUBPOENA:
It appears Trump was deceived by Corcoran (akaAttorney#1) into thinking he had authorityhttps://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f447.svgto authorize acceptance of a Subpoena not addressed to him. Had it been addressed to Trump, he could’ve asserted his 5thAm right…
2/3 The Indictment is EGREGIOUSLY MISLEADING at par. 52:
“On May 11, 2022, the grand jury issued a subpoena…to
The Office of Donald J. Trump”
The subpoena was directed – NOT TO TRUMP – but specifically to the “Custodian of Records”. And it says in caps: “YOU ARE COMMANDED”
3/3 Corcoran’s search of 80 boxeshttps://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f447.svgin 2.5 hours seems impossible & HE drafted a certification claiming THAT was a “diligent search” on behalf of NOT TRUMP – but the Custodian – aka Attorney 3 – who then signed it. This cert means “any and all” docs found IN THAT SEARCH were sent.
4/4 “The Office of Donald J. Trump” listed on Subpoena refers to an official GSA office under the Former PresidentsAct-not to his personal office. Custodian of Records is an official position and Trump is NOT legally responsible for the Custodian signing Corcoran’s nebulous cert.
“isnt that interesting”
Curious…
The instant Judge Cannon tries to force DOJ to produce the documents, DOJ will move to have her removed as the judge, and again move to have the case transferred to DC.
This whole thing – just like the Flynn persecution – rests on their ability to hide the documents.
And Cannon is already not happy with the DOJ, they played games with her the first time.
Yes, that’s my read too. Unfortunately, the 11th Circuit has ruled that the DOJ-NSD has to be given the benefit of the doubt on issues IT defines as national security based. Where do we go from there?
I can’t tell what is the update!
Me too, LS.
I’ve read all this already 3-4 times.
Please Sundance: write your update in blue, orange, yellow, purple or some NEW/different color than your original posts on this topic.
In fact — First post, black; update, green; second update, purple; third, etc etc. This leaves red to use for underlining, as is your practice.
My time like yours is not limitless.
Cheerfully yours,
h
I’m guessing Sundance doesn’t know the meaning of free time. I don’t even think the guy sleeps! 💞 keep up the awesome work SD
Second Biden Removal Leverage Deployed and Timed to Coincide with First – Prosecutors Near Decision on Hunter Biden Indictment
Just a reminder if your wondering why the media and uniparty have been pushing harder then usual to expose Bidencrimes.com
Think about how mandatory it must be for the cabal to stop Trump at all costs and then imagine what the enemy would do. They hoaxed a pandemic already, dont forget.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/03/second-biden-removal-leverage-deployed-and-timed-to-coincide-with-first-prosecutors-near-decision-on-hunter-biden-indictment/#more-246305
imho
Deflect, deflect, deflect.
🙁
Watch the other hand!
So for the 64 – thousand, million, billion, trillion, gazillion dollar question – Any predictions on how this goes down????
Tossed by the Supreme Court
jury finds President Trump not guilty on all counts except for “making false statements”….he wins that charge on appeal.
The timeline of the entire trial to it’s predicted victory moves past the 2024 election cycle, upon which the determination of the appeals court is based on his status as POTUS. So the radicals can claim this appeals was illegitimate and they will continue to falsely claim him an illegitimate president who only escaped a criminal conviction because he is immune to prosecution.
Congress will then strike for an impeachment.
we should not look at this current trial or the next in georgia in isolation..there WILL BE a continued effort to throttle him, in or out of office for the rest of his life.
Because the corruptors cannot allow YOU TO DECIDE WHO HAS POWER!
it is just that simple.
the entire mission behind all of this corruption is to establish the STATE…as the POWER BROKER…not you as the voter.
this flips the constitution on its head…and it inflects the hearts and minds of citizens to recognize the state as an overlord, that is unchallenged in the voting box and shifts your power to influence your representation as subjects…peons…obedience to overlords…
President Trump has stated it in the most succinct and truthful full throated way anyone can understand:
they are not after me…
they are after YOU
I am just in the way
God Bless America
Attention please
The cover sheets in the infamous “gotcha” photo from MARLARGO scattered over the floor…….”contain classified markings”. The cover sheets themselves are not classified but serve to cover the document or materials underneath.
By a (lawfare) stretch you could name/describe the cover sheets as “documents ” and thus have “documents with classified markings.”
The actual classified material itself must be STAMPED top and bottom with the proper security classification. This stamping is crossed out or lined through when the material is no longer classified.
Technically “unclassified” is a security stamping. “Unclassified/Noforn” is another for non release to foreign entities.
All classified materials properly stamped have to be secured in a SCIF or a safe when not in use or on a classified secure computer system.
If the NARA people dumped marked and coversheeted classified materials in a parking lot then they are responsible for improper handling! Those materials had to come out of a SCIF or safe or a couriers briefcase!
The remainder of materials President Trump already declassified……..but would have still had their stampings which may or may not have been lined through.
This is an entirely bogus cooked up BS legal scheme.
It stinks to high heaven.
Persons trained in handling classified materials should see this.
I think it’s pretty clear the white house staff was pretty loose with handling classified material. That’s on the Chief of Staff. I’ve heard from the rumor mill that things went downhill during Clinton and my guess is it became “that’s the way it’s always done”. Keep in mind in DC, having access to “secrets” is a token that you are an “important person”. As far as storage and courier requirements, that’s an administrative thing that varies by agency.
why go with the words – they were loose?
why buy into this bullshit?
why
this is true….it is also true that certain materials are considered “closely held” even without classified markings.
for instance, lets say my CO wants to take personal notes after reading classified defense marked material…lets say these materials are defense security related.
his notes, while not marked and not added into the “system” would still be “closely held”..In no circumstances would this CO be allowed to have these notes in an uncontrolled environment. Most CO’s understand this and follow the rules. And do their subordinates. They would be secured in the same manner of security as the marked classified material upon which those notes were derived.
what IS different here are a few notable exceptions:
And of course, there are other considerations…like nara…whether a sitting President (joe malarkey in this instance), has a primacy of authority under the same laws OVER a former.
and of course, there is the question about what authority that DOJ has at all over these matters, as they related less about a legal question, but one of political…meaning: congress has a role…which is has decided not to flex…which is transparently obvious this silence…(Congress at large, does not want to support President Trump…They do not want to get involved because they are corrupt cowards)
these are solely my own opinions
note: we will still beat their asses!
God Bless America
Exactly on the exception of the president! He is the authority and any materials in his possession (or anyone he designates to hold for him as his), are his and his alone to do with as he will, whenever and however he will period. Doesn’t matter if they’re marked or not they’re his.
No other branch of government can tell a president what to do in this case!
The executive of the government is the government in this case!
Correct.
Which is why I believe this devolves to another “process crime” machination.
Was the declassification process complete?
the prosecutor will argue not on the matter of declassification..that one is off the table for the prosecutors.
the angle here is to challenge a former presidents power to hold nation defense material, marked or otherwise (classified in the conventional sense or not), and THAT the president refused to comply with NARA and a lawful order to return them.
it will be the defense that will roll right over this argument: A president’s power to retain is absolute…period. AND that the President DID comply with the lawful order but that it was the DOJ that jumped the shark and made this a critical mass while ongoing cooperation was still very active. On the matter of the other charges, the defense will also win the case, because there is no substance to suggest there was every any intent to commit espionage and that the single instance the FBI claims discussion and viewing of the national defense material by a person not having proper authority and clearance is not only a minor issue, but that there was not substantial or even subtle damage to national defense or security. As Sundance has pointed out several times…right here at CTH, we routinely publish and make public marked classified material.
it is important to understand that what we do here at CTH is not perculiar or extraordinary either in that regard.
the FBI routinely has leaked highly classified national security material..and there IS intent to defraud the people and to influence elections and to manufacture criminal violations by doing it.
so declassification is not a subject angle the prosecutors will put on the table. What they are after is to establish that 1. the retention AND refusal to comply of these documents represent some threat that reaches and meet espionage 693…and all the rest of the charges rely upon the success (and failure) of that argument
they will lose…and lose big.
God Bless America
https://www.clintonlibrary.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2014-0948-m.pdf
memorandum from the clinton library. its classified conversations from clinton and yeltsin.
im curous if anybody can find if clinton took a copy or email(on server) with him on his way out of office. (i cant imagine they go back 10-20 plus years to print out a copy -once declassified)
can this be easily found out?
Probably not, but they could find DJT’s report card from 2nd grade on a moments notice.
The people that watch “THE VIEW” or watch the Fake News like MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc are the DUMBEST PEOPLE on Earth!!! Don’t be one of those Dumb People. Watch NEWSMAX because they will tell you the Truth about President Donald J. Trump!!!
Uh, no. They are Fox-lite.
Fox News is NOT like Newsmax! Fox News have turned Democrat. Only Newsmax is Republican.
Newsmax? You mean FOX-lite?
Fox News is NOT like Newsmax! Fox News have turned Democrat. Only Newsmax is Republican!
Perhaps Republican.
But not MAGA.
There is a difference.
Real America Voice News is more MAGA/Trump friendly.
I was just thinking, if the court deferrs to the DOJ as the supreme authority on what is classified and what is a national security interest, then the President as the Executive Power is the final authority.
That ruling then should help Trump.
It doesn’t matter what they think, it matters what he thinks. As the Constitutionally endowed authority on the matter, only his decision matters.
The Espionage Act itself is unconstitutionally broad in that it doesn’t reference any concept of “classification”. In my agency we had “distribution” statements on technical data, things like “releasable to DoD only, or releasable to DoD and DoD contractors only”. None was “marked” classified, but you could be indicted under the Espionage Act anyway if deemed to have unauthorized possession.
summary – GET TRUMP, then get scott S and whiteboard and every other American
I just got off Twitter dealing with a political partisan who thinks “cooperation” and “compliance” can get you off from an Espionage Act charge (“Biden cooperated.”). That’s laughable. Biden’s “inadvertent packing,” which might be true, wouldn’t fly, either. They would just fry him for both “gross negligence” (inadvertent packing) and unauthorized possession and storage.
When is Trump gonna start fighting back and reveal all the things he had plenty of time to find?
He needs to get to the Oval Office again, that’s the priority – not revenge regardless of how righteous or how good it “feels”.
He ordered the declassification of many materials evidence of corruption and criminal violations…the DOJ, FBI, STATE DEPARTMENT, DOD and DNI refused to act on his orders.
the materials that President Trump has in his possession was a very small amount of material ..but is still very powerful ….
If President Trump produces these materials now that he is out of office, and does not have executive authority, he would be put under the prison. Understand this.
When President Trump gets elected in 2024, there is every reason to believe he will continue to make these materials IN WHOLE for public viewing and also use them as justification for CLEANING HOUSE…
I believe this is the best we can hope for.
God Bless America
The foxes are again in the hen house. Sadly, it seems that an old fashioned 1946 Athens, TN-style house cleaning may be in order. Hardened WWII veterans came home from war to find political and LE corruption rampant, including election fraud. The criminals in power were using their government position against the citizenry. Sound familiar?
When state and federal government refused to do anything about it, these veterans took it upon themselves to clear out the rot. Both the corrupted politicians and the law enforcement doing the politicians dirty work were expeditiously removed at the end of a pointy thing and held to account. New free and fair elections took place and peace returned quickly.
When good men do nothing to stop evil, tyranny prevails.
I say again, IMO Sundance needs to be a key member of the Trump inner circle now and through 2029.
Yes!!! I come here to get the facts. No spin, no rumors, no click bait. Just clear concise analysis. Thank you Sundance!
WE ALL ARE…IT IS A CHOICE!
make your voice heard. take the time to send personal letters of support and provide copy.
TEAM TRUMP isn’t some anonymous group that acts in a vacuum. We THE PEOPLE have a duty to engage with them, even if that means simply taking the time to bang out an email, or showing up in force and supporting him in Miami and attending his rallies…
we also have a greater responsibility to make sure our VOTES ON THIS MATTER are known by our state and congressional members. ALL OF THEM. We have to be willing to BE HEARD.
God Bless America
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Hmmm.
1) So, that letter from Obama, mentions nukes. What else was included? Was that loser in possession of some ‘national security’ concern related to PDJT directly?
2) If so, then what was Obama’s advice to his predecessor? Open it all up, or leave it alone?
3) And if our VSGPDJT opted to not ‘open it all up’, then, upon leaving, and keeping that concern unknown to the rest of us, the DS are in a quandary because the timing now of ‘opening it all up’ may not result in the outcome that they expected.
4) But, to not ‘open it all up’ leaves them with ‘plans’ they cannot execute until they KNOW that PDJT knows, hence the ‘hope’ to try to compel PDJT to reveal (‘open it all up’).
5) The supposed DOD plans for an attack on Iran document seems to be a decoy, and ploy, to supplant a ‘national security’ concern in the whole proceedings, rather than some ‘handwritten note written decades before for Donald Trump’s eyes only’ that they are just clamoring to see — as if some clandestine operation has been hatched to have this whole scenario come to fruition.
Remain.BRAVE.y’all.
Was Obama’s note an original copy or had he written a rough copy draft before, perhaps on computer?
Should NARA not assume he did write a draft?
If so, does NARA possess said draft?
If not, should they not conduct a search of Obama’s myriad houses and offices to find it–after all, it is a national security document and not in NARA’s possession?!
THINK ABOUT how stupid and insane the logic of this is.
Doesnt the mentioning of a DAMN POTENTIAL ATTACK on iran destablize peace? risk security?
they made in PUBLIC. they obviously arent worried of the national security.
this is a joke
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Yes. Exactly. Joke, or scared sh//less . . .
But here are the biggest two problems:
First, a SITTING President is the sole authority as to what is to be restricted and what is not. (Navy v. Eagan) His powers and discretion are “plenary.” You don’t hear this term very often used, but here is one. These powers derive from Article 2. Likewise, he alone(!) is entitled to walk out of the room with anything he likes. “Thus saith the SCOTUS.”
Second, a FORMER President retains the very highest level of security clearance forever. He is entitled to receive classified national security briefings every day for the rest of his life. If he decided to keep a copy of a letter written to him by his predecessor, versus tearing it in half and throwing it in the trash, that was his prerogative and certainly no crime.
Therefore it does not matter what an EMPLOYEE of the Executive “determined.” He has no legal power to “determine,” and even if he did, it doesn’t matter. Because he is not The(!) Executive Branch.
I agree….in my view the arguments of this case cannot be challenged legally…In fact, the way I look at it is that this a decision matter involving congress. And even then it’s limited. Congress has already created the law that explicitly narrowly confines the authority of POTUS wrt to these matters. Congress cannot simply chose to retroactively walk back those laws, because at the core of these matters are constitutional bedrocks…powers of the executive, commander in chief are ultimate.
That congress stays silent is telling. Congress, if it had courage and authenticity and even a pebble of integrity would be involved in this case…literally FORCING THE COURTS TO BE HEARD. But we know that congress will not…and that needs to be understood for what it really means: Congress does not want President Trump to get elected…
God Bless America
the bald lawyer that always is a guest on Fox news (forgot his name) – said the presidential records act doenst apply to Agency records.
straight face.
This 10 page letter makes it clear of what was going on in a non partisan way. Look at the list of Congress that received a copy and then try to remember any of them saying Anything. That’s very telling right there.
That 10-page letter by Trump’s lawyers at Parlatore Law firm sure paints a different picture from what the mainstream media has been spouting for so long!
“From the inception of this matter, rather than working cooperatively to ensure the return of all marked documents and correct any procedural failures, the DOJ team chose a path of aggressive combativeness. In doing so, it compromised the evidence, constitutional rights, and, in many instances, the professional ethics of its prosecutors. It has sought to criminalize a civil matter, pursue an unprecedented investigation of a former President while bristling at transparency, and is desperately seeking to justify its abominable conduct. History will not be kind to DOJ or the administration that supports this assault, while excusing much more serious conduct by the current President. ”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Trump-Classified-docs-response-to-hpsci.pdf
I found this. Figured it would make good supplemental viewing.
It all leads back to Hussien
Exhibit A:
who poses like that
whats the purpose? message?
Now that everyone can clearly see the marionettes, watch Nimarata on Fake News fulfilling her Uniparty role. Total Uniparty coordination to attack MAGA.
Nikki Haley Rips Trump Over Docs Case on Fox News: ‘Was Incredibly Reckless With Our National Security’
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/nikki-haley-rips-trump-over-docs-case-on-fox-news-was-incredibly-reckless-with-our-national-security-if-charges-are-true/
Tim Scott Changes Tune and Calls Trump Indictment a ‘Serious Case With Serious Allegations’
Kevin McCarthy Argues That Trump Hoarding Documents Next to the Toilet Was Sufficiently Secure Because ‘A Bathroom Door Locks’
Losers. All of them.
Nicki is a phony and always was. And she’s not that bright. Not to mention her backstabbing Sarah Palin, the people of SC, etc.
She also appointed Tim Scott, who himself was at the anti-Trump Sea Island meeting and is either a homosexual who is lying like Lindsey or just a 56 year old with no reason to give a crap about the future of the country as he has no family.
There’s one core problem with all of these claims. This is the elected president of the United States.
He determines whether documents are classified or not. He determines whether a document is secret or not. He determines whether it’s a government document or not. Congress can’t do that. Justice Department can’t do that. The intelligence community can’t do that.
This is an indictment saying Donald Trump used his own documents, kept his own documents, liked his own documents, and didn’t want to give his own documents back. That’s his constitutional right. So the problem with this case is the entire case is bogus.
Instead, this is an attempt of the deep state to overturn our constitutional democracy, to say that they can tell the world when their secrets get to be disclosed. That’s what this case is premised on.
the president who is vested by the second article of the United States constitution with all executive power. That means the president decides what if any information that comes in is classified. That information is for his benefit and his alone.
Remember all these documents are digitally stored. So this is only about the president having rights to his documents, they’re not classified and that’s a matter of constitutional law. These are all his documents. The Presidential Records Act merely reflects that. I mean, I had these people saying, oh, he can’t do this. Congress says otherwise with the national security. Imagine if Congress passed a law tomorrow that said we hereby declare that if the president executes any of his second article duties, that is hereby a crime and goes to prison. That would be patently unconstitutional. They have no authority to limit the executive branch under Article Two. They are given zero executive enforcement powers. The unelected bureaucracy is given zero constitutional powers. They only have any powers at all because the president gave it to them. So consequently, the entire charge is nonsense. All the alleged crimes are gibberish. They are a direct attack on constitutional government in America. It is an attempt to say we the deep state get to tell you what is and isn’t a secret. We the deep state. We, the deep state, get to tell you what is and isn’t classified. We, the deep state, get to tell you what is and isn’t national security information. And even your elected president can’t tell you our secrets or he goes to prison. That is how dangerous this criminal prosecution is.
This goes way past Trump. This is the deep state war on democracy such that if this crime is upheld, we don’t have a constitutional democracy anymore. We have a deep state run government that has killed the constitution in America.
source : Robert Barnes
Meanwhile the GOP does nothing and stay silent. All this information is great and we know most of it already but unless the GOP does anything about it, it means squat. We got the house and we are not getting any victories.
The intelligence and injustice agencies, both created by Congress, are now the highest law in the land, above the Constitutional entities that made them. Sounds like a coup to me.
And to add icing to the cake, if Trump wins the election, Biden on his way out the door in Jan. 2025 will pardon himself, Hunter and all involved and for the sake of appearances and ‘for the good of the nation’ pardon Trump. What a cesspool.
Couldn’t “classified markings” include the marking “de-classified”?
And of course the grand jury has not seen the documents so all they know is they are “important” documents.
I and many treepers don’t doubt for a second that this whole thing is a set up. If they get a conviction, it’s icing on the cake. If not, another fake investigation will be started right before the election as insurance. Then, any action or statements from Trump as president will be met with more lawfare calling it obstruction and you know they will have judges to enforce it.
A Trump 2nd term won’t even be allowed to fire Wray or Garland or any FBLie/DOJ employee because they are part of the “investigation”. Nobody will testify and all the left needs is the senate because they will not approve appointments because “obstruction in an ongoing investigation”.
Sounds crazy but it may turn out to be a way even political appointees can’t be fired. Anybody at IRS investigating Trump taxes, permanent job! Any FBLie agent investigating any of the Trump family, permanent job! DOJ, permanent job. And on and on it will go.
This is why I think the left wants all these multiple state and federal investigations and indictments. They are setting up a permanent catch 22. Any action or words from Trump will cause an investigation and any investigation will prevent Trump from any action or statements.
If I remember correctly from months ago, if one reads between the lines of the government’s garbage, one sees that their case will ultimately rest on between 1-3 documents, that were found in 45’s desk drawer.
I assume those are the North Korean ‘material’: ie Obama’s valedictory letter and Kim’s correspondence.
At this point, Obama and the Lawfare folks are simply punking 300 million Americans and saying, ‘whatcha gonna do about it, suckers.’
If the Garbage Party Republicans had any balls they would use thire own Lawfare to go after scumbags like Smith. But…oh oh oh no we mustn’t stoop to such lowbrow uncouth doings.
The Newsmax bimbo is such an embarrassment. So rude and disrespectful of Senator Nunes.
She’s so far out of her depth…embarrassing.
No bond
No travel restrictions
poinless, he is America’s Fist.
Like SD, I always wondered about that letter Obama wrote to PTrump. Very odd.
They wish they had more time then stop talking over people when you are a talking head with no clue.
BE QUIET BIANCA!!!!!!
Did they find what they were looking for or does Trump have copies for his proof. Maybe like FJB Trump has second set of books to prove the crime of the century.
Devin Nunez did a god job clarifying this.
The 4th State – will not stop or surrender.
There will be no sunny ending to this where PDJT wins the 2024 and this all just dissapears.
The end of our country, or a huge interal cancer cutting is our only Fate now.
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they went to far, and as a result they doomed this country. In the positive case, just the cleaning out of this crap will destroy this country.
dont do something – country destroyed
do do something – country destroyed.
people are so invested in their cognitive biases based off of FORCED SWallowing of propaganda and disinfo – that theres no chance those people wont panic and think they are being treated like Trump supporters (the way we currently feel now)
Was at the gym watching cnn and msnbc breathless coverage of Trump being driven to the courthouse and ‘arrested!’ The coverage sure did bring a lot of people out of the closet who I had no idea loved Trump! Don’t get upset or discouraged folks, this is a wonderful gift given to us! TRUMP 2024
Article 2 of the US Constitution … The President isn’t like you or me. His powers are pretty much … absolute. He is the Commander-in-Chief of our military … and the Top Executive in every way shape and form. Take your politicized indictment and shove it.
Isn’t it surprising that JAG Officer … highly educated … Harvard educated … Ron DeSantis isn’t screaming about President Trump being UNCONSTITUTIONALLY harassed by his political rivals. JAG Officer? or JAG Off?
so some idiot on FOX – said the issue was docs were told to give back, and PDJT said no. as in thats the crime.
what the hell did he refuse to give back? document of spying on him illegally?
Kevin Klinesmith !!!!! GOT NOTHING. the DOJ masked their CRIMES via him making an OOPS, and that OOPS was the only way to get another spying lane on PDJT.
they can all go to hell
I have always suspected there was some EMBARRASSING document that the leftist deep state wanted … disappeared. But PDJT insisted it be retained and revealed to the American public when the time was right.
I agree.
he is basically SAYING F IT. I’m keeping it, and I’m going to get it public through the trial to show they tried to take this country out.
Refr: https://jonathanturley.org/2023/06/13/doj-fatigue-is-special-counsel-smith-singing-to-an-empty-room-2/#more-206244
Does Turley’s column today sound discouraging or Lord forbid – am I getting PDJT fatigue?
I’m still MAGA all the way.
The whole point of the raid was to take the declassified crossfire hurricane docs proving treason.
This is just the coverrup; a conviction would just be gravy.
Remember the SC has already refused to uphold the rule of law with the PA vs TX case; there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t repeat their criminal action again.