I have been reviewing interviews, looking at discussion, and some of them I will share in the next few articles. However, for a solid representation of the state of our current dynamic, as it relates to the targeting of President Donald J. Trump, this interview below is a solid outlook from the detractors.
CBS News legal analyst Rikki Klieman and CBS News investigative correspondent Catherine Herridge join “Face the Nation” to discuss what’s in the indictment — and what it means for Trump. [Transcript Here]
Before getting to the video, it’s valuable to see Rikki Klieman representing the interpretation of the media outlook toward the indictment handed down by Special Counsel Jack Smith. It is also valuable to see CBS’s Catherine Herridge represent the defenders of the institutions, from the outside vulgarian personage of Trump.
Klieman buys the Lawfare narrative completely, including the framework of classified documents as opposed to documents containing classified markings. She sells the Lawfare outline as gospel and makes all assertions from that position. Herridge looks at how the bureaucracy responds to Trump, including how the institutions hold power of determination higher than a President of the United States.
As Bill Barr said emphatically earlier today, “The documents do not belong to Trump,” continuing with “The documents belong to the government who created them, not the man for whom they were created.” So sayeth the defender of the omnipotent Dept of Justice. This is where a sharp intellectual knife to cut through the chaff and countermeasures is needed, and notice no one brings up the visible and practical deconstruction point.
If the documents did not belong to President Donald J. Trump, then why did the government dump them in the parking lot of the White House and tell him to deal with them?
If the documents belonged to the government, and not to the man for whom they were created, then why did that same government give them to him and force him to take them to a location of his choosing? Can you see the obtuse argument fall apart when simple pragmatic questions are raised?
The institutions are presented, by the sellers of the Lawfare narrative, as higher than the authority of the President of the United States. This is how ridiculous our government has become.
Institutions are not omnipotent entities; they are buildings and networks full of people who facilitate processes that are an outcome of policy. Those buildings and offices are not the government. The elected politicians who we send to Washington DC are not subservient to the processes, norms and morays they determine within the bureaucracy that the politicians are in charge of.
The argument(s) against Donald Trump are akin to a business saying that all work product created during the tenure of employment belongs to the enterprise of the business and not to the employee. If you want to hold that line of thought, fine. However, you then need to reconcile that the business enterprise intentionally gave all the work product to the employee, dumped it in their lap, told them to take it and leave, and then comes back at a later date and says – we now need to review the stuff we forced you to take because some of it might not actually belong to you.
Does this happen anywhere else? Of course not.
The fact that the National Archives and Record Administration refused to take custody of the documents upon the end of the White House tenure, combined with the fact the NARA dumped those documents in the parking lot of the White House for Trump to deal with, is a direct statement the bureaucracy was telling President Trump these are your records. His records – not their records on loan to him.
The Presidential Records Act is the overriding legislative guidance for the flow of work product post term in office. These are essentially document arguments. The fact that NARA together with the Biden administration would weaponize the disposition of documents, they intentionally forced Trump to take ownership of, speaks to an intent within the bureaucracy that is transparently obvious.
Bill Barr’s entire mindset is based on a belief the institutions are of a higher power than the individuals we elect to control them. In essence, the President of the United States is subservient to the bureaucracy. This is nonsense. This is also why former AG Bill Barr was more concerned about preserving the institutions than stopping the weaponizing activity that flows from them.
President Trump could store his “presidential records” anywhere he wants to; they are his records.
Now, watch Klieman obscure the difference between classified documents and documents containing classified markings. Despite her pontifications to the contrary, the indictment is not based around any classified documents. The classification of the documents is technically and factually moot to the ridiculous point the special counsel is making.
.
[Transcript] -JOHN DICKERSON: For more on the legal implications, we’re joined by senior investigative correspondent Catherine Herridge and CBS News legal analyst Rikki Klieman.
Rikki, I want to start with you.
You have been a prosecutor and a defense lawyer. So what stands out to you, now that you have read this indictment?
RIKKI KLIEMAN: I think what stands out, obviously, is the magnitude of detail in this indictment.
It’s not only that you’re dealing with 31 counts under the Espionage Act, which simply means the unlawful, willing retention of classified information, or even unclassified information that would hurt the defense of the United States and aid our enemies. It’s the detail of a speaking indictment.
We have to remember that much of this indictment, John, is to educate not only ultimately a court and jury, but it’s really to educate the public. Much of this indictment, in terms of the detail, may not even come into evidence, in terms of what’s admissible or not in the course of a trial.
What also strikes me, John, is, the overwhelming detail leaves the Trump legal team with real need to have powerful motions to dismiss, because, if this goes to trial, the way it reads, it’s rather overwhelming for anyone to be able to fight it on the facts themselves.
JOHN DICKERSON: And I want to get to that motion-to-dismiss question in a moment.
But, Catherine, you have been doing reporting about the risk assessment about just what was in these documents. Educate us on that.
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Well, what jumps out to me, John, is when you go to the section the willful retention of national defense information, by my count, there are 21 top secret documents, and the disclosure of top secret information has the expectation of exceptionally grave damage to national security.
But what out — stands out to me is some of the classified codings, like TK, or Talent Keyhole. You don’t see that very often. That’s about intelligence from overhead imagery. For example, if we’re looking at a terrorist target, do we have such good visibility that we can count the hairs on their head? Can we see what they’re eating for breakfast on their terrorist patio?
Those are capabilities that we don’t want our adversaries to know that we have. And then also Special Access Programs, or SAP, these are highly restricted programs because of the sensitivity of the intelligence and the technology, such as stealth technology, for example.
Think of classified information like the Pentagon. Special Access Programs are these handful of rooms where there are just a limited number of keys to control and restrict access to that information.
JOHN DICKERSON: So it’s not just secret; it’s the top of the — top of the top?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Some of these are way beyond top secret, like, I said, Talent Keyhole, when you’re talking about Special Access Programs or SCI, sensitive, compartmentalized information.
These really are the crown jewels of the U.S. intelligence community.
JOHN DICKERSON: Rikki, let me ask you about a part of this indictment which seems to come — which comes from one of the former president’s lawyers.
Educate us on the crime-fraud exception, how it’s possible for a prosecutor to have this information. And is that a weakness? Because we know, from our reporting, that this is something that the Trump defense team is going to talk about, is the behavior of the prosecutors.
RIKKI KLIEMAN: We all believe that, when you go to a doctor, that there’s a privilege, that what you say and what your ailments are will remain confidential.
Same thing if you go to a clergyperson. And it’s exactly the same thing. When you go to a lawyer. You believe that, if you are a client, that what you say will never be disclosed to anyone, let alone in the grand jury or court of law. It’s called the attorney-client privilege. It protects all conversations relating to legal advice.
So, how did it get broken? That is, how did a court in Washington, D.C., a judge, and then an appellate court affirm the idea that you could hear, listen, read the notes and the voice memos of a lawyer to testify against his own client?
It’s called the crime-fraud exception. So what the court believed was, the conversations between Evan Corcoran, the lawyer, and Donald Trump were really in furtherance of a crime or a fraud, and he was ordered and forced to testify.
Now, one could say, well, that’s one and done. So now Mr. Corcoran is going to be a witness in this case, should it go to trial. But we have to remember that that took place, that decision, in the District of Columbia. Now we are in Florida. So can it come up to a new judge? Might a new judge decide that it is not admissible at trial? Yes.
Will that hurt the case? Not necessarily. There’s plenty of other evidence.
JOHN DICKERSON: Catherine, I have got two questions for you.
The first is, what happens if you’re just a regular old Joe and you have this kind of information? Legally, what happens to you? What’s happened?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Well, as one example, I have contacts who work in the nuclear weapons capability arena.
Let’s say you have a nuclear document, it’s on top of the photocopier, and you walk away, you leave it there. Your clearance is gone. You are out the door. There are immediate consequences.
JOHN DICKERSON: Let me ask you about a number of the president’s defenders.
Well, first of all, we should note, the current president is under investigation by a special counsel.
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Correct.
JOHN DICKERSON: We don’t know much about that. But Republicans have brought that up in defending the president. They have also brought the case of Hillary Clinton.
You have been looking at that. Give us a sense of the apples and oranges or apples and apples in comparison with what’s on the table here.
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Well, what strikes me, John, in this indictment is I think the special counsel, Jack Smith, specifically charged willful retention of national defense information in an effort to sort of blunt criticism that these cases may be the same.
If you go back to the summer of 2016, then-FBI Director James Comey said that they found multiple e-mail chains on Hillary Clinton’s private server that she used for government business that contained highly classified information, including these Special Access Programs that we just discussed, but, in his view, it should not be charged because he didn’t feel there was sufficient evidence of intent or willfulness.
Critics would say that even just purchasing the server was an example of intent. And then, finally, you have to look at just the scope of the information and also the timeline. But I think this charging of willful retention really is by design.
JOHN DICKERSON: Right, the facts of the case quite different. But thank you so much for that and for all your other answers.
And, Rikki Klieman, thank you.
And Face the Nation will be back in one minute. Stay with us. (link)
.
Sundance, From the transcript in your article: “But what out — stands out to me is some of the classified codings, like TK, or Talent Keyhole. You don’t see that very often. That’s about intelligence from overhead imagery. For example, if we’re looking at a terrorist target, do we have such good visibility that we can count the hairs on their head?”
This statement by Catherine Herridge could technically be charged as a violation of the Espionage Act based on SCI program information.
https://rumble.com/v2tb4ba-derek-johnson-huge-intel-if-nothing-matters-why-are-the-laws-and-orders-bei.html
…grab your popcorn, get relaxed and get educated…
I appreciate your analysis of the MSM clowns…but, none of these people have any authority or control on what happens..
The calculation is that they don’t need to fool 300 million or even 50 million people. Only the people on the jury, or a jailable felony plea.
Barr stated, “Trump is toast!”
I’m saying, “Barr is a big, fat mound of undercooked greasy hamburger!”
Give me toast over fat and greasy any day.
Barr is a cheeseburger bloated buffoon who presents himself in the worst possible manner on TV! You best not show up to a studio to do an interview if you are severely obese because he could BARELY FIT IN THE CHAIR ON THE DAMN SET! Plus he sounded like he had a couple of marbles in his mouth, he humiliates himself badly these days and really should consider sitting the rest of this one OUT!!! 🥴
Not a Barr fan or a Barr hater, however I do love truth.
What Barr actually said was that IF the ALLEGED evidence is true then Trump is toast.
Rather than biting on emotion triggering bait, I prefer to remain emotionally sober so I can pray for all involved and use each present God gives me DOING things to help President succeed while I wait to see what happens.
It’s like having the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, same tactic.
What “evidence”? There is no “evidence” presented in the indictment, only allegations that will need “evidence” to prove their merit. Trump is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Barr has nothing more than his own fat ego and his fear of compromising or criticizing the system that supports him in his retirement to base his opinions on. Its not a matter of “hating” Barr, it’s a matter of recognizing that he has always been a creature of the administrative state, and he would never see the over-reaching arm of the state with his professional blinders on. Frankly, I see him as irrelevant, and is simply picking up personal prestige from his appearances on the news. The chronological argument that Sundance has provided reveals the underlying weakness of the implied “evidence.” Mark Levin made an outstanding case in this regard by reminding us that the Revolution that this country fought England over is the same issue facing us through this indictment now. If Barr had been alive during that time, he would have stood up for the side of the British Crown, and opposed our Founding as a nation.
I’m saying, “Barr is a big, fat mound of spoiled, undercooked, greasy pork after it’s been digested by a diseased monkey and sprayed out his hemorrhoid-ridden keister!”
FIFY
Barr wants to preserve institutions, well I would like to preserve him in an institution.
I hope Barr visits and reads this aticle. The comments about him are priceless.🤣
Fat and Greasy! Fats Waller, Ain’t Misbehaving
Watch Him while he’s Sitting There
Chunks Of Fat Hanging Over His Chair
Oil Just Oozing From his Hair
Fat And Greasy as a Grizzly Bear
They Say That Sweet Perfumes Are Made From Fat
But Not The Kind That comes From This Greasy Cat
There’s Fragrance In His Clothes
Seems Like Nothing you Ever smelled in a Rose
Those documents do not belong to the government, they belong to the people and their ELECTED representatives, not appointed bureaucrats.
The bureaucrats are supposed to be 100% subordinate to the elected. Bagpipe Barr, is an ignorant slob who did more damage by inaction than the waste of space Sessions.
That hasn’t been true in DC since at least the Wilson administration.
According to Robert Barnes, they belong to one person, Donald J. Trump.
Barnes discusses this at length in the link I gave to above. Makes great sense.
After listening to Barnes, you realize that the press hasn’t any idea what the hell Presidential docs are and aren’t.
After listening to Barr, I know he knows what Barnes says is true, but Barr’s job is to make Trump look bad.
Remember, all these docs still exist in the the hands of the gov’t in digitized form.
The ones Potus has are HIS AND HIS ALONE, unless he wishes to share them with others which he may.
Attny Robert Barnes Discusses Why Trump Indictment Is Crap. President Trump had total ownership and legal possession of all the documents that he took from the White House. There is no bureaucrat who can veto or second guess what documents President Trump could remove from the White House or what he could do with the documents once he left.
Excellent legal Analysis-
https://rumble.com/v2tn4ac-get-this-video-to-trump-barnes-breaks-down-federal-indictment-viva-frei-liv.html
Thanks for sharing. This needs to be seen by everyone.
Bill Barr has three family members working for the Feds.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/13/politics/barr-family-justice-department-moves/index.html
The Mossad is very clever.
Interesting handle you’ve got there. MQ-1C or coincidence?
I have no idea what you’re talking about, honestly. It’s just a name I gave myself.
There is no analysis here. It’s just a bunch of parrots repeating the talking points they got from the FBI.
That’s the intention of the indictment. They know they likely won’t get a conviction. It’s not designed for that.
Well it certainly isn’t harming his poll numbers.
PRAY FOR JUDGE AILEEN CANNON and her husband Josh and their two kids they are subjected to overwhelming pressure, harassment, defamation and threats. Pray for her to stay STRONG and absolutely NOT recuse under the pressure. God bless Aileen, Josh and their children. Pray for him to protect her and be her refuge as she cries in private in his arms. Send your angels to watch over them, protect them and keep them resolute and strong. In Jesus name, Amen!
See their wedding pic from 2008 here:
https://www.theknot.com/real-weddings/aileen-josh-a-traditional-wedding-in-coconut-grove-fl-album
I am sure she has augmented her security situation and even has armed security at her residence and accompanying her most of the time now that she knows she is the presiding Judge! Plus, Florida isn’t DC or New York! The people down there won’t hesitate to break or crack open an Antifa or other insurrection’s head if need be!!! 🤔
Do NOT mess around in the CUBAN-AMERICAN back yard. They KNOW what is going on and wwwwwill defend Americanism.
Amen!
David Petraeus shared classified documents with his “biographer”, Paula Broadwell:
The journals contained classified information regarding the identities of covert intelligence officers, war strategy, intelligence capabilities, diplomatic discussions, quotes from and deliberative discussions with high-level National Security Council meetings and Petraeus’ private meetings with President Obama, according to court documents.
The Former CIA director and retired Army Gen. David Petraeus was sentenced to two years of probation and a $100,000 fine after pleading guilty Thursday to a federal misdemeanor charge that he mishandled classified information.:
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-petraeus-plea-deal-20150303-story.html
Politico (23Apr2015):
Joseph Robinette Biden, the presumed 46th President of the United States may as Vice President have allowed access to CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, which he was not permitted to possess, by a drug addled son for the purpose of illicit deals with FOREIGN ENTITIES!!! That is the type of stuff that people are EXECUTED FOR!!! 😑
Yes, I have been sharing him as an example since this news came out. He got probation and a teeny fine, $40k.
He lied to his former employers and the FBI. 8 volumes shared w/his biographer lover.
THE Ultimate difference with ALL examples people bring up is Pres Trump, Obama, Clinton (Bill), Bushes, etc have the authority to declassify documents and or keep. They are the ONLY special people to be able do this…the Pres Records Act further solidified which has always been around and known since George Washington.
VP/Senator Biden, Cheney, Hillary, Gore, Quayle, Harris, etc do NOT have ANY declass authority over any documents or intel reporting. FACT
A Destructive Trump Indictment
Do prosecutors understand the forces they are unleashing?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-indictment-classified-documents-jack-smith-mar-a-lago-biden-justice-department-81591082?mod=hp_trending_now_opn_pos1
Read the comments. Most are pro Pres Trump
“If the documents did not belong to President Donald J. Trump, then why did the government dump them in the parking lot of the White House and tell him to deal with them?”
Curious. When, specifically, did this document dump occur? Were there any news stories about Trump having to gather his own personal effects as he left the White House? Any video evidence, or would that have been scrubbed, like-ya know…with a cloth-from the internet?
Shortly after the President left the White House in late January I believe! There are actually several photographs that show them stacked up! I saw it with my own eyes, but don’t know if it has since been scrubbed or censored! 🤔
Photos in one of the story from yesterday. The caption might answer your question.
Thanks. I didn’t pay too much attention to the President’s final days in office. I guess, unlike with other administrations, I wasn’t concerned about him walking off with the (our) furniture. Documents are his to keep. I would expect him to take those.
If the government dumped those documents out on the parking lot, then shouldn’t those “officials” be the ones accused of careless handling of classified documents?
The beginning of the set up.
This is a not a legal problem. It is politics of the most ugly and dangerous type played out in a legal-looking venue to obfuscate the politics. It is not politics of deliberation and compromise. It is the politics of the destruction of political enemies.
President Trump finds himself in a very difficult position. The venues chosen for this destruction favors the destroyers. The cases make no sense as they are political arguments and not legal ones. The opposition has spent decades preparing the venue to favor themselves and weaken those for whom they have targeted for destruction. The DJT trials are J6 style political enemy trials done large.
The destroyer’s success of the J6 trials is due primarily to secrecy. No one could talk without threat of increased persecution by law. The media was compliant. Most people know what something happened, but the facts of what happened have been constructed to fill a narrative and only marginally represent the truth.
The political destruction of DJT enters a different and more difficult stage. The media is going to be happy to talk about it. People will be talking about it. It will mostly be lies, but lies can rebutted if the lies are first put into the public discussion. With the J6 trials, this was not allowed to happen.
Take heart. Don’t trust the courts. The legal system is complicit. The trial of public perception has just started, the body of evidence has just been begun to build, and the enemies do not control the places we talk to our friends. At least not yet. As this is a political destruction, the battle will be won politically from the bottom up.
Some good points. They are going to take him out of the 24 election. We just don’t know how yet. I think we need to start thinking about what we are going to do. Are we going to still vote? Are we going to take to the streets? I doubt it. If we vote, who are we going to vote for? Don’t be surprised if they kill him. That will be their last item. They are that serious and desperate. What are we going to do if that happens?
Wait for Marshall Law
Need to disagree on one point:
the Media was NOT compliant.
The Media was complicit.
I had a conversation with a leftist friend this weekend. He asked me where I thought Trump was and would he be nominated? I told him what I thought about the Uniparty, (DNC & RNC main goals) he had not heard the word Uniparty, but tended to agree with my outline.
The two walk aways I think where he is starting to feel something is not right. He agreed we are no longer a Representative Republic.
And his asking me the first question gave me pause to think there many who are starting see our country is in deep do do. He is very certain of his political position and he knows mine and we do not spend much time discussing politics because we are friends.
I think they have completely jumped the shark or even worse of a mistake. We are much further along becase God has given us great discernment. We need to use that discernment like I was able to this weekend to take that small seed planted by their mistakes (Biden is the biggest one they have made) and help it grow. Biden is such a Buffoon even the most partisan hack are starting to wonder.
Lastly we have way more power in our prayer than they have in the their lawfare!
Let’s get to work!
The National Security Act is unconstitutional on its face as it violates Article IV Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States.
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
What this means is that the records belong to the people as the government lacks any sovereignty. The only thing in the US that has sovereignty are the people and that is by design.
Furthermore, the SCOTUS has already confirmed three separate times that both the President’s employees(!) and both other Branches have no powers of “determination” versus that of the Executive Branch himself. None.
If the President, while President, took documents with him, “he could.” It doesn’t matter what anyone else thought, or now thinks. There is literally one person on this planet about which everything this hapless prosecutor is now saying cannot, by Constitutional definition, ever be valid. Ever.
You don’t encounter the word “plenary” very often in the law, but here you do. Exactly one person holds all the cards and is answerable to none. Every power and system of “classification” is defined and delegated by him.
Furthermore, former Presidents retain the highest possible level of security clearance forever. He had the right to possess and examine them, and he still does. Senators, Vice-Presidents and FBI Agents don’t.
BRAVO ZULU…
EXACTLY!! All the talking heads on TV, Social Media, and local barbershop or bar are only trying to confuse Americans who don’t follow the every day doings of the gov’t or rules of the Constitution. The Executive Branch is really ONE person – the POTUS.
Does anyone think they would bring someone on to discuss this case that would say it’s basically BS? That’s why I’m glad SD watches these programs so that I do not have to.
Another awesome article, SD.
You bring reason to dispel chaos.
Thank you!
there’s that photo of boxes outside WH but you are first place where I read the whomevers made Trump staff take all the boxes, wow! i feel better now thank you and Blessings to all of you 🙂
Did you see the picture of B.Barr toting that single box labeled top secret to the pile from his car??? Maybe you missed it. It WAS there !!
I have stopped watching FOX. However we are at friends home and they have it on. Even Shannon Bream is out there following the FOX line. Everyone on there is bashing Trump except for the mayor of Miami and Bream is challenging him! It is truly disgusting. What will happen to this country if they try to jail a former president and the leading candidate for 2024?
Bream is horrible. I stopped watching her years ago and I haven’t turned on fox since TC left.
There is not any comparison to ILLary’s docs on a private bathroom server that can be hacked by anyone vs paper in a box in a storage room in a fortress guarded by the Secret Service.
Everything that Illarry erased is saved on a government server. Isn’t THAT what the NSA does ????? COPY
The deep state may not be scared but for some reason they brought out every big gun they have to fire volleys at President Trump today.
I am sure they are winning just like the Ukrainians are destroying the Russians.
Thank you.
This matter is headed straight to a very swift Constitutional smack-down based on already-settled law. Here we have Executive Branch employees “determining” that the Executive Branch committed crimes worthy of a hundred years’ imprisonment by doing things they didn’t approve of, with regards to documents which they “determined” to be sensitive, and thus to violate the terms of a law as they “determine” such violations to be. In other words, the President rules at their pleasure.
Article 2 doesn’t say that. And in at least three notable and settled cases, the SCOTUS has confirmed what it does say.
I was listening to Attorney Robert Barnes podcast today. He was very animated when stressing the point that once Trump takes ownership of all those documents, they belong to Trump, doesn’t matter about any classifications, and he can treat them any way he wants.
Someone else may have posted this below. But I can hardly stand to read what supposed humans are doing to a very special human. Donald J. Trump.
The words they speak seem to be oozing evil. Probably because they are. But to them it all makes good sense.
I don’t know if a pig starts to squeal before it is slaughtered ( I will have to ask my farmer) but Bill Barr speaking these days is what I imagine that might sound like.
Given what is happening, do I need to apologize for posting this video? I hope not. It is from a Gateway Pundit post I read to today. I don’t think I’ve laughed this hard since 2020. Cheers my fellow Treepers.
81 Million Votes my *ss
The media has worked hard to create a special idiot public ready to vote against any faceless bureaucratic corporation, “McDonald’s coffee is too hot! Give that poor customer a billion dollars!”
Now they want that same special idiot public to side with a faceless bureaucrat institution against an individual and say “I don’t care if he was the President and had the right to see classified documents. He should be hanged for daring to cross the unelected bureaucrats!”
It’s not going to work.
Mrs. Liebeck was served coffee that was between 180-190 degrees Fahrenheit. It was so hot that it caused third degree burns on her legs, butt, and lady bits which required skin grafts to heal.
Back when this happened the car, 1989 Ford Probe, she was a passenger in didn’t have any cupholders, so she had to hold the coffee cup in her hands. They were parked when she pulled the lid off to add cream and sugar while her legs held the cup between them. The coffee cup tipped towards her and the boiling coffee went down her legs.
Her case followed 700 prior cases where people had been burned by the coffee served by McDonalds. Coffee is served in those days by other coffee sellers normally had their coffee between 165-170 degrees F.
The court ruled that McDonalds was 80% responsible for the incident and she was responsible for 20%. This was after she had asked them to cover her medical expenses for being in the hospital for seven days. McDonalds refused which is why she sued.
She was awarded $640,000 as a result. The lawyers took their cut.
She should have also sued Ford for the lack of cupholders!
It wasn’t her car so she had no standing. The car was owned by her grandson. I take it you don’t mind McDonald’s serving coffee that’s so hot that it causes third degree burns in 3 seconds.
Having somewhat researched this issue this afternoon, have come to the conclusion that the Presidential Records Act works for 1)one term presidents who do not seek a second term and 2)for presidents elected to a second term.
The Presidential Records Act does not work for presidents who seek a second term and are unsuccessful. It particularly does not work when the outcome of the election is being challenged. And even more so when the election and its challenge take place during a pandemic.
The Presidential records act states….
(1)Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.
(2)The Archivist shall deposit all such Presidential records in a Presidential archival depository or another archival facility operated by the United States. The Archivist is authorized to designate, after consultation with the former President, a director at each depository or facility, who shall be responsible for the care and preservation of such records.
(3)When the President considers it practicable and in the public interest, the President shall include in the President’s budget transmitted to Congress, for each fiscal year in which the term of office of the President will expire, such funds as may be necessary for carrying out the authorities of this subsection.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/2203
All sections of Presidential Records Act:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/chapter-22
A one term president not seeking a second term and a two term president would know to budget for the interim depository of his records in the budget for the fiscal year his term ends.
Checked the FY 2021 Budget and could not find anything budgeted for an interim facility for President Trump. See NARA budget at pg 1289…
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/oia_fy21.pdf
Then checked the FY 2017 Budget to see if any amount was budgeted for an interim facility for President Obama and could not find anything in the NARA budget. See NARA budget starting at pg 1306…
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BUDGET-2017-APP/pdf/BUDGET-2017-APP-1-31.pdf
Also checked the FY 2013 budget for an interim Obama depository and found nothing. See the NARA budget starting at pg 1359.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BUDGET-2013-APP/pdf/BUDGET-2013-APP-1-31.pdf
And checked the FY 2009 budget for an interim “W” Bush depository and found nothing. See NARA budget starting at pg 1193.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BUDGET-2009-APP/pdf/BUDGET-2009-APP-1-30.pdf
Also checked the NARA budget for each fiscal year of Obama’s two terms and found nothing related to funding an interim depository for his records.
FY 2010, see NARA budget starting at pg 1247.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BUDGET-2010-APP/pdf/BUDGET-2010-APP-1-31.pdf
FY 2011, see NARA budget starting at pg 1287.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BUDGET-2011-APP/pdf/BUDGET-2011-APP-1-31.pdf
FY 2012, see NARA budget starting at pg 1255.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BUDGET-2012-APP/pdf/BUDGET-2012-APP-1-31.pdf
FY 2014, see NARA budget starting at pg 1272.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BUDGET-2014-APP/pdf/BUDGET-2014-APP-1-30.pdf
FY 2015, see NARA budget starting at pg 1333.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BUDGET-2015-APP/pdf/BUDGET-2015-APP-1-30.pdf
FY 2016, see NARA budget starting at pg 1287.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BUDGET-2016-APP/pdf/BUDGET-2016-APP-1-31.pdf
Notwithstanding the above, in a Chicago Tribune article found that in February 2016, the General Services Administration leased a 74,000 sq ft former furniture warehouse near Chicago for 11.3 million for six years. Also learned that there will be as many as 120 employees brought in by NARA to sort through materiel from an expected 40 tractor-trailer trucks.
Also stated that it took eight C-5 flights to transport the Clintons materiel to their interim depository at a former Oldsmobile dealership near Little Rock Arkansas.
And President George H.W. Bush, had an interim depository in a strip mall space previously occupied by a bowling alley and a Chinese restaurant.
“W” Bush had an interim depository in a warehouse in Lewisville Texas.
https://archive.vn/TPmtL
In a Dec 2022 article it is stated the “General Services Administration, which manages federal properties, sank about $5 million into the building, spending it on humidity-control systems, special lighting and bringing it up to Level 4 security standards.” And that the building has been further leased the warehouse through Dec 2025 at a cost of 1 million per year.
https://archive.vn/88jof
In a September 2016 article titled: “Feds at Work: Helping make presidential records accessible to the public” it is stated…
“The Presidential Records Act of 1978 charged the National Archives with finding homes for presidential records, which become public property the day after the inauguration unless the archivist of the United States, the incumbent president or the appropriate former president requests the records be kept private.”
https://archive.vn/haTmC
Since could not find anything in the NARA budgets for the years Obama or “W” Bush left office, that does not appear to affect whether GSA can lease space for an interim depository. So why was an interim Depository for President Trump not leased?
Also, the amount of documents at Mar-A- Lago does not appear to be anywhere near the 40 tractor-trailer loads of Obama or even half since Trump had only one term or half the eight C-5 loads of Clinton. Is this because original documents he receives are now in digital form? And were the paper documents President Trump had his personal copies or original documents he received?
What is considered the original document, the document in digital form, paper form?
IS NARA transferred a copy in digital form of presidential records as they are presented to the President; is this why Trump had far fewer Presidential Records than past presidents and why it has been stated the two documents NARA was seeking were the letter left for President Trump by President Obama and a letter from Kim Jong Un to President Trump?
Again will ask, why was an interim Depository for President Trump not leased by NARA?
Short answer – NARA (Administrative hacks) never wanted to work with Pres Trump and they also were fine with “setting” him up for this very clown show we’re watching now. Serious answer.
So true.
https://captainconvey.com/importantlinks.html
Strykr007, thanks for the effort you put into that … much appreciated and copied to my file
Welcome, also might want to read what was just posted below.
Wow what great research strykr007
This powerful information needs to be reposted as much as possible.
It exposes the corruption in the NARA and biden/obama – doj/fbi.
https://captainconvey.com/importantlinks.html
Thanks…And now have answers to some of the questions posed: 1) with regard to far fewer Trump records and 2) what is considered the original document or presidential record.
Numerous documents named in the indictment are referred to as “White House intelligence briefings.” Believe these are also known as Presidential Daily Briefs(PDB.)
Last week on the War Room, Bannon remarked how this all started because NARA wanted the letter President Obama had left for President Trump and Kim Jong Un’s Love Letter to President Trump. I wondered why only those two documents/presidential records? And then seeing the stark differences in volume of presidential records between President Trump and recent prior presidents and even discounting for a 4 year versus 8 year term, began wondering if NARA already had all the other documents seized in the MAL Raid such as the PDB in digital form.
Here is what I found on a govt intelligence website, Believe it is an ODNI website…
“In 2014, the Presidential Daily Brief transitioned from a print product to electronic delivery at the request of President Barack Obama.”
https://www.intelligence.gov/publics-daily-brief/presidents-daily-brief
This appears to mean for instance, a PDB was received by President Trump as a digital document and then a paper copy was printed for President Trump’s “convenience of reference.”
The Presidential Records Act states starting at sec 2201(2): “The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President….”
And further down: “….but (B)does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) [1] of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/2201
The digital document, say a PDB, was received by President Trump and then a paper copy was printed for his “convenience of reference.” The paper copy PDB is not a Presidential Record of concern to NARA. And this is why NARA was reportedly originally concerned with the Obama Letter and Kim Jong Un Love Letter which were received in paper version by President Trump and therefore Presidential Records they did not have. PDB ‘s and other paper documents which were received digitally and then paper copies made were President Trump’s personal copies and not Presidential Records as the paper copies were not “received”by President Trump, they were “extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.”
And yes they were “clearly so identified” by being in paper form when it is known by all there is electronic delivery in digital form.
Was also not quite sure of this: “(B)does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) [1] of title 5, United States Code);”
For starters, there is no section 552(e)[1] of title 5, United States Code. Believe 552(e)[1] must be the definition of an “agency.”
Take this to mean that the original PDF/Word file and working copies of the PDF/Word file of a document at the agency is the official record of the agency. Then the final form PDF/Word file of a document the agency electronically sends to the President when received by the President is a “Presidential Record.” And the paper copy produced for the president’s “convenience of reference” is the president’s ‘s personal copy and not a Presidential Record.
If anyone has more information regarding or a different interpretation of…
“(B)does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) [1] of title 5, United States Code);”
…please post it.
Below is the section of the Presidential Records Act discussed above….
From Presidential Records Act Definitions, 44 US Code Sec 2201
(2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term—(A)includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President’s staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but (B)does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) [1] of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/2201
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/chapter-22
I appreciate those who linked the Robert Barnes discussion with Viva Frei on Rumble.
Here it is again: Ep. 164: TRUMP’S FEDERAL INDICTMENT!!! and other law stuffs… Viva & Barnes LIVE! (rumble.com)
Robert Barnes is the guy I WANT TO BE TRUMP’S ATTORNEY ON THIS CASE.
At the end of the discussion of the indictment (EXCELLENT), FREI asks Barnes if he were asked would he take the case and he said there would be no shortage of excellent attorneys who would love to be on the legal team and yes he’d love to be part of it.
I hope all of you listen to how Barnes enumerates all the things wrong with the prosecutor’s indictment and how he’d argue the case. (BTW, all of you who know Barnes well knows that he criticizes Trump’s proclivity to hire wussy attorneys.)
I think the pertinent part runs about 45 minutes, very, very much worth your while.
I hope Donald Trump or Jr. gets to hear Barnes and that DJT calls Barnes.
Everyone needs to listen this dissertation by Barnes. And yes, Barnes needs to be PDJT’s lawyer.
Agreed. Well worth the time. Barnes’ explanation was epic. I pray he joins President Trump’s team.
Agree…Trump needs a first rate political attorney for this one. As Barnes said…the usual white collar lawyer isn’t going to cut it this time. He and (We) are fighting for the salvation of our country now. No time for gentlemanly lawyering.
It is horrendous to see and experience how far Democracy and Justice in the US has fallen and in such a short time.
I consider it very naïve to think that Lawfare had not already set in motion plans and set the scene with regards to the location of the trial and the selection of the Judge to oversee it.
I would be extremely surprised if this is not part of the setup
I am reminded every time I listen to attorney Robert Barnes that he is the guy who could go toe to toe with any news anchor or hit job person in the media.
I know he’s a big shot attorney, but a communicator like that who worked only for POTUS could sure have won over a hell of a lot of Americans, both his substance and his manner of delivery.
Re: presidential records indictment
Does the weak silence sound deafening ?
( from Carter, Clinton, Bush, Obama…)
What is in those taxpayer funded ‘libraries’ etc.?
hmmm…
The President says to watch FoxNews, Mark Levin coming up on a re-broadcast from earlier this evening. 11pm Eastern. He says it’s a MUST WATCH.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump
For those who are used to pretending about themselves and their values, it’s easy to hate Trump. He forces them to make a choice.
Continue the pretense, or face the truth.
We will win. The timeline is an illusion. We will win.
Thank you so much for sharing this link to Viva Frei and Barnes podcast so I could listen to Barnes give his mind cleansing and heart strengthening take on this latest Deep State attempt to get Trump, gut the Constitution and destroy us all.
#2015MAGA
#2023ULTRAMAGA
Post it n Truth Social.
Article II Section II of our Constitution: he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices. and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
Does that sound like an individual that is subordinate to an executive branch official or office?
They said people are worried if he gets back in the WH our democracy will be in danger. Anyone who thinks that is a brainwashed retard. What they should be terrified of is the Marxists who are trying to take him out. That is why our democracy has been in danger for the past several years and these Marxists and globalists have been plotting against our democracy for over a hundred years. Maybe they are not brainwashed. Rather they are trying to gaslight and brainwash us! I remember when Trump got in office in 2016. The America haters were clutching their pearls and absolutely freaking out that Trump would start a war with North Korea! We now know all they do is talk shit because no wars were started under him but they keep pushing that narrative now. Nothing will stop their lies. Like Jesus said, their master is the devil and so they will never believe the truth because their father is the Father of Lies and they follow this liar everywhere.
As a Vet, I’ve never seen a POTUS bring home so many MIA’s or kidnapped Americans. I’ll always hold Pres Trump in a high regard on this alone! Bravo Zulu
Aren’t these commentators lawyers? How come the info is never complete? There is a helluva difference between classified documents and documents with classification. If a document gets declassified, it no longer is a classified document. The markings are NOT removed, they become documents WITH classification. The media is not truthful at all here, it’s called gaslighting! The 800 lb. gorilla in the room is why did NARA dump these supposedly classified documents in the parking lot of the White House? Because they were only documents with classification! This is looking more and more like a smoke and mirror deal to cover for something else! Maybe what the Dems accuse the R’s of, they are guilty of themselves. Maybe slo’ Joe is the issue being covered up, no? He was VP and documents at his garage, and he had no authority to declassify!
#81MillionVotesMyAss is #1 on 2 billboard charts & is about to be #1 overall!
Let’s keep it there & send a message to the swamp
https://music.apple.com/us/album/81-million-votes-my-ass-single/1690675501
Barr is likely a big fat character of perversion.
I have lately been horrified by involuntary imagining of deep state terrorizing and molesting innocent children, drugged and helpless.
I no longer have any reason to doubt that these embedded in deep state, inarguably aware of child trafficking for decades and yet doing zero to stop it, other than media optic moments of token opposition, have either knowingly protected or profited from or engaged in the perversion.
Pizzagate was never about one pizza parlor, it was code for trafficking that Haiti among others had been trying to expose as tied to the Clinton Foundation for decades; but the reporters ‘disappeared’, the media lied that it was just one place and they scoffed at it and convinced the disinterested public to believe them.
Only one female reporter vowed to keep pushing the narrative after Hillary lost and the media buried the scandal that would have blown deep state wide open….but with the hijacking of Trump’s presidency by the witch hunt begun before he was even elected, I have not seen this reporter.
We are in a race.
Trump Indictment vs Biden crimes, deep state and Clinton Pizzagate and WHO and globalist infusion of the DELIBERATE genocidal Covid vaccine.
Including Zelensky’s involvement and the reason behind our lunatic gift of billions in dollars and weapons to him.
It is called panic and socialists/communists/dictators only gets more vicious and hysterical when they panic.
I got kicked off Linked In for tying this to Gates…forgot Microsoft bought it.
some have suggested that people like barr, wray, garland, smith, durham etc….just don’t have the complete picture…that they are simply uninformed..that they are just “following the law”.
this is preposterous. What this kind of reasoning promotes is that they people are incompetent…that they have no real world awareness..that they do not see the finer details. This reasoning expects YOU to accept that these people are immune to what everyone and I MEAN EVERYONE WHO EVEN GIVES TWO SH$%’s WORTH OF EFFORT CAN EASILY RESOLVE FOR THEMSELVES. The truth reveals itself to the person willing to find it..to blow past the narration…simply to investigate and to make a larger picture judgement.
the reality is that these people KNOW EXACTLY AS MUCH AS SUNDANCE>..AND LIKELY MORE>>MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE.
WE are on the OUTSIDE…and yet are capable of finding the bigger truths…the facts…the evidence..the pattern and the motive.
we are dealing with the night police…a secret police spy state…that has acquired unchallenged power.
I ACCEPT THIS CHALLENGE.
they will fail…and severely.
God Bless America
Regitiger – love your posts. I agree with you on your thought 99%, however, there may be the stovepiping going on as the 1% and some MAY not know…but you’re very likely correct and they know exactly what they’re saying and doing.
the people at the very top who make the decisions and who delegate authorities to division heads, like FBI NSD, absolutely are read in….the pretending to not know for sure is a conscious decision, that has morphed into a lawless corrupt and biased and politically motivated night police. I don’t think anyone disputes this reality.
In order to form ALL of these corrupt acts..it is important to understand that they KNOWN FULL WELL THE DETAILS OF THE CRIMINAL ACT THEY HAVE COMMITTED…This IS WHY they have developed these night police efforts to manufacture crimes against President Trump and many others.
if they would not be aware of the details of their crimes…if silos or being incompetent was the reason for the actions these people have taken…we would see evidence of those two excuses…the timing and the conspicuous nature of exactness of targeting and coverup would be much less “perfect”.
they know…and they KNOW ALL OF IT.
this is how they are able to form such well organized orchestrated operations to cover their tracks and take aim at dissenters and take out powerful people who KNOW.
God Bless America
Son: Dad, Do you think I can be attorney general of the Department of Justice one day.
Dad: anyone can…all you have to do is tell very big lies…and often…the bigger the lies, the bigger your chances are.
Son: why didn’t you want to become Attorney General Dad if it’s so easy?
Dad: the thing about lying is you can’t ever stop doing it. One followed by the other and soon all you will ever be is just one big lie.
Son: That’s weird Dad . Why would someone want to do that?
Dad: They did not have GOOD Parents.
Barr, is a bitter disappointment. I believed the man had integrity, but obviously he is controlled by his masters in the Deep State. At this point, having sold his soul for thirty pieces of silver, he is just hanging on to his handlers. I am conflicted by alternating feelings of disgust and pity for this POS.
I would simply direct you to actually look at his long and illustrious career of doing some very very bad things…over a long period of time. if there is one consistency about bill barr is his devotion to protecting criminal activity and EVEN MURDERERS in the FBI. I think many people never come to learn the skill of verifying someone’s integrity and corrupt nature until much too late. Then it seems like disappointment. As a general rule, never ever trust ANY OFFICIAL IN USG. THEY MUST EARN TRUST BY DEMONSTRATING UNIMPEACHABLE CHARACTER.
Bill Barr has never demonstrated that character. EVER!
Let the BILL BARR EXPERIENCE change how you evaluate your government officials.
God Bless America
This is what several pointed out when he was brought in as the AG there were people screaming, NOOOO, Not Him!!
Instead of discussing the legal ramifications facing the sitting US President, Joe Biden, and his direct involvement in receiving a $5 million bribe from a foreign business for political access, we’ve taken the Justice Department’s distraction bait to concentrate on the latest fabricated charges and indictments of former President Trump.
What a freakin joke this whole clown show is…as someone who has written and classified documents in the IC. The POTUS DOES have authority to declassify. I know Sundance has written in the past that he doesn’t have declassify authority but he does. The PRA also gives the POTUS almost carte blanche with records, documents, etc…
ALL intelligence reports are written for one person in the United States and that is the POTUS. Even the insurgent implacing an IED in Fallujah though not likely THAT report makes its way into a PDB but it could if it had some national affect on the blast or person(s) killed i.e. politician, GEN/ADM, etc…
The pundits…..
They speak as if they have seen
the documents.
Have they?
So…for them to make such statements….
I would call them in to testify.
Subpoena time.
I did see the humor in their frustration.
They just can’t understand why
President Trump is still leading by
double Digits!
My answer to them is that….
We are not stupid.
—- like they obviously
think we are!
Thanks for the Transcript !
Bureaucrats and politicians believe the Process is the End Product.
Private companies, working to make a profit, KNOW that the Process is but a means to achieve the End Product.
This is why the Deep Estate claims the “Government” is more important than the President and Elected Representatives.
The problem is when those elected Representatives are also life long Deep Estaters.
This was a total set up. How is this any different than Comey sending a couple guys down to interview Flynn, knowing it was the first few days of a new administration, they were unorganized and he would not have recieved permision in other administrations without legal council. Not being honest to Flynn what the visit was about, hiding the fact that the FIB had a transcript of his call or sharing that with him, all to set Flynn up on a process crime.
Here is the deep state setting up Trump, planting records, dumping them on the street and saying to Trump you take care custody and control of them in order to charge Trump in future process crimes. No different to the Flynn case.
DC is totally corrupt, complete rot, Big Government needs to be rooted, burned and salted.
Barnes is on fire
https://rumble.com/v2tkpjq-ep.-164-trumps-federal-indictment-and-other-law-stuffs…-viva-and-barnes-l.html?mref=71v3&mc=bp3oa
I thought the power of the DOJ & FBI (being in the Executive) derived from the President of the United States who sits at the Head of the Executive and delegates this authority to the DOJ & FBI at their convenience – but can obviously take it back at any time.
If the authority of the DOJ & FBI does not derive from the President – where does it come from?
“If we could get back to personal names, it would do a lot of good. Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and the process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people. If people were in the habit of referring to ‘King George’s council, Winston and his gang’, it would do a long way to clearing thought, and reducing the frightful landslide into Theyocracy” (The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 1995, p. 63.)
From: https://mises.org/library/tolkien-v-power
The part about the bureaucracy being bigger than the President (to whom it is answerable to) has only applied to President Trump. Every accusation and proceeding against him has always been a diminution of the power of the office of the President but the deep state and the unelected bureaucratic class have always treated Trump exclusively that way- not the presidents before or after him. And at this point they are so desperate they don’t care which laws they break as long as the end goal of ‘getting Trump’ is achieved.
They won’t succeed. But we will get at best one chance to clean this up with Trump 47. No guarantees after that.