I have been reviewing interviews, looking at discussion, and some of them I will share in the next few articles. However, for a solid representation of the state of our current dynamic, as it relates to the targeting of President Donald J. Trump, this interview below is a solid outlook from the detractors.
CBS News legal analyst Rikki Klieman and CBS News investigative correspondent Catherine Herridge join “Face the Nation” to discuss what’s in the indictment — and what it means for Trump. [Transcript Here]
Before getting to the video, it’s valuable to see Rikki Klieman representing the interpretation of the media outlook toward the indictment handed down by Special Counsel Jack Smith. It is also valuable to see CBS’s Catherine Herridge represent the defenders of the institutions, from the outside vulgarian personage of Trump.
Klieman buys the Lawfare narrative completely, including the framework of classified documents as opposed to documents containing classified markings. She sells the Lawfare outline as gospel and makes all assertions from that position. Herridge looks at how the bureaucracy responds to Trump, including how the institutions hold power of determination higher than a President of the United States.
As Bill Barr said emphatically earlier today, “The documents do not belong to Trump,” continuing with “The documents belong to the government who created them, not the man for whom they were created.” So sayeth the defender of the omnipotent Dept of Justice. This is where a sharp intellectual knife to cut through the chaff and countermeasures is needed, and notice no one brings up the visible and practical deconstruction point.
If the documents did not belong to President Donald J. Trump, then why did the government dump them in the parking lot of the White House and tell him to deal with them?
If the documents belonged to the government, and not to the man for whom they were created, then why did that same government give them to him and force him to take them to a location of his choosing? Can you see the obtuse argument fall apart when simple pragmatic questions are raised?
The institutions are presented, by the sellers of the Lawfare narrative, as higher than the authority of the President of the United States. This is how ridiculous our government has become.
Institutions are not omnipotent entities; they are buildings and networks full of people who facilitate processes that are an outcome of policy. Those buildings and offices are not the government. The elected politicians who we send to Washington DC are not subservient to the processes, norms and morays they determine within the bureaucracy that the politicians are in charge of.
The argument(s) against Donald Trump are akin to a business saying that all work product created during the tenure of employment belongs to the enterprise of the business and not to the employee. If you want to hold that line of thought, fine. However, you then need to reconcile that the business enterprise intentionally gave all the work product to the employee, dumped it in their lap, told them to take it and leave, and then comes back at a later date and says – we now need to review the stuff we forced you to take because some of it might not actually belong to you.
Does this happen anywhere else? Of course not.
The fact that the National Archives and Record Administration refused to take custody of the documents upon the end of the White House tenure, combined with the fact the NARA dumped those documents in the parking lot of the White House for Trump to deal with, is a direct statement the bureaucracy was telling President Trump these are your records. His records – not their records on loan to him.
The Presidential Records Act is the overriding legislative guidance for the flow of work product post term in office. These are essentially document arguments. The fact that NARA together with the Biden administration would weaponize the disposition of documents, they intentionally forced Trump to take ownership of, speaks to an intent within the bureaucracy that is transparently obvious.
Bill Barr’s entire mindset is based on a belief the institutions are of a higher power than the individuals we elect to control them. In essence, the President of the United States is subservient to the bureaucracy. This is nonsense. This is also why former AG Bill Barr was more concerned about preserving the institutions than stopping the weaponizing activity that flows from them.
President Trump could store his “presidential records” anywhere he wants to; they are his records.
Now, watch Klieman obscure the difference between classified documents and documents containing classified markings. Despite her pontifications to the contrary, the indictment is not based around any classified documents. The classification of the documents is technically and factually moot to the ridiculous point the special counsel is making.
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[Transcript] -JOHN DICKERSON: For more on the legal implications, we’re joined by senior investigative correspondent Catherine Herridge and CBS News legal analyst Rikki Klieman.
Rikki, I want to start with you.
You have been a prosecutor and a defense lawyer. So what stands out to you, now that you have read this indictment?
RIKKI KLIEMAN: I think what stands out, obviously, is the magnitude of detail in this indictment.
It’s not only that you’re dealing with 31 counts under the Espionage Act, which simply means the unlawful, willing retention of classified information, or even unclassified information that would hurt the defense of the United States and aid our enemies. It’s the detail of a speaking indictment.
We have to remember that much of this indictment, John, is to educate not only ultimately a court and jury, but it’s really to educate the public. Much of this indictment, in terms of the detail, may not even come into evidence, in terms of what’s admissible or not in the course of a trial.
What also strikes me, John, is, the overwhelming detail leaves the Trump legal team with real need to have powerful motions to dismiss, because, if this goes to trial, the way it reads, it’s rather overwhelming for anyone to be able to fight it on the facts themselves.
JOHN DICKERSON: And I want to get to that motion-to-dismiss question in a moment.
But, Catherine, you have been doing reporting about the risk assessment about just what was in these documents. Educate us on that.
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Well, what jumps out to me, John, is when you go to the section the willful retention of national defense information, by my count, there are 21 top secret documents, and the disclosure of top secret information has the expectation of exceptionally grave damage to national security.
But what out — stands out to me is some of the classified codings, like TK, or Talent Keyhole. You don’t see that very often. That’s about intelligence from overhead imagery. For example, if we’re looking at a terrorist target, do we have such good visibility that we can count the hairs on their head? Can we see what they’re eating for breakfast on their terrorist patio?
Those are capabilities that we don’t want our adversaries to know that we have. And then also Special Access Programs, or SAP, these are highly restricted programs because of the sensitivity of the intelligence and the technology, such as stealth technology, for example.
Think of classified information like the Pentagon. Special Access Programs are these handful of rooms where there are just a limited number of keys to control and restrict access to that information.
JOHN DICKERSON: So it’s not just secret; it’s the top of the — top of the top?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Some of these are way beyond top secret, like, I said, Talent Keyhole, when you’re talking about Special Access Programs or SCI, sensitive, compartmentalized information.
These really are the crown jewels of the U.S. intelligence community.
JOHN DICKERSON: Rikki, let me ask you about a part of this indictment which seems to come — which comes from one of the former president’s lawyers.
Educate us on the crime-fraud exception, how it’s possible for a prosecutor to have this information. And is that a weakness? Because we know, from our reporting, that this is something that the Trump defense team is going to talk about, is the behavior of the prosecutors.
RIKKI KLIEMAN: We all believe that, when you go to a doctor, that there’s a privilege, that what you say and what your ailments are will remain confidential.
Same thing if you go to a clergyperson. And it’s exactly the same thing. When you go to a lawyer. You believe that, if you are a client, that what you say will never be disclosed to anyone, let alone in the grand jury or court of law. It’s called the attorney-client privilege. It protects all conversations relating to legal advice.
So, how did it get broken? That is, how did a court in Washington, D.C., a judge, and then an appellate court affirm the idea that you could hear, listen, read the notes and the voice memos of a lawyer to testify against his own client?
It’s called the crime-fraud exception. So what the court believed was, the conversations between Evan Corcoran, the lawyer, and Donald Trump were really in furtherance of a crime or a fraud, and he was ordered and forced to testify.
Now, one could say, well, that’s one and done. So now Mr. Corcoran is going to be a witness in this case, should it go to trial. But we have to remember that that took place, that decision, in the District of Columbia. Now we are in Florida. So can it come up to a new judge? Might a new judge decide that it is not admissible at trial? Yes.
Will that hurt the case? Not necessarily. There’s plenty of other evidence.
JOHN DICKERSON: Catherine, I have got two questions for you.
The first is, what happens if you’re just a regular old Joe and you have this kind of information? Legally, what happens to you? What’s happened?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Well, as one example, I have contacts who work in the nuclear weapons capability arena.
Let’s say you have a nuclear document, it’s on top of the photocopier, and you walk away, you leave it there. Your clearance is gone. You are out the door. There are immediate consequences.
JOHN DICKERSON: Let me ask you about a number of the president’s defenders.
Well, first of all, we should note, the current president is under investigation by a special counsel.
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Correct.
JOHN DICKERSON: We don’t know much about that. But Republicans have brought that up in defending the president. They have also brought the case of Hillary Clinton.
You have been looking at that. Give us a sense of the apples and oranges or apples and apples in comparison with what’s on the table here.
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Well, what strikes me, John, in this indictment is I think the special counsel, Jack Smith, specifically charged willful retention of national defense information in an effort to sort of blunt criticism that these cases may be the same.
If you go back to the summer of 2016, then-FBI Director James Comey said that they found multiple e-mail chains on Hillary Clinton’s private server that she used for government business that contained highly classified information, including these Special Access Programs that we just discussed, but, in his view, it should not be charged because he didn’t feel there was sufficient evidence of intent or willfulness.
Critics would say that even just purchasing the server was an example of intent. And then, finally, you have to look at just the scope of the information and also the timeline. But I think this charging of willful retention really is by design.
JOHN DICKERSON: Right, the facts of the case quite different. But thank you so much for that and for all your other answers.
And, Rikki Klieman, thank you.
And Face the Nation will be back in one minute. Stay with us. (link)
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Lawfare: Anything that President Trump did on behalf of his Constitutional Right of defense is in furtherance of the crime.
Remember, according to Weissman when President Trump tweeted he was innocent of Russian Collusion that in itself was obstruction of justice!
Is Rikki transgender – she looks like this dude I knew back in college.
Yeah, I first thought it was that skinny dude on the bud lite can.
Rikki Kleiman was better looking in her younger days. Born in 1948 so she’s about 75 years old now.
She used to be an analyst on Court TV.
She has a really annoying speaking style, a few words with a strange tone at the end, pause, repeat endlessly.
Seemed a well practiced artifice, whose intent I cannot comprehend, it did not enhance comprehension, and it certainly didn’t mesmerize me though it almost seemed that might be the intent.
Leftists are weird.
Never cared for her.
I thought she couldn’t contain her glee!
“But thank you so much for that and for all your other answers. And, Rikki Klieman, thank you.”
The thanks are necessary. I’m sure all three of these collaborators were paid handsomely.
President Trump should have declared Mar-a-Lago the Trump Presidential Library…
…and that would have been that.😎
I KNOW I should not feel confident of Trump’s vindication but honestly, I think they have crossed a Rubicon and jumped a shark that is going to bite them big time as I do not see anyway this will pass the court’s muster.
I want to be optimistic too, but then I read about all of the J6 convictions the DOJ has “won”.
Rudolph take heart – THOSE TOO ARE NOT DONE – the fat lady at the Supreme Court has not yet sung 🙂
<…the fat lady at the Supreme Court has not yet sung>
And I’ve heard Sotomayor has a terrible voice 🙂
I was speaking of Roberts
The J6 defendants did not have PDJT’s resources nor did they have “the eyes if the World” watching theur trials (unfortunately).
EVERY single time they have tried this, it has ultimately failed, and bit them in the butt while actually benefiting PDJT.
An Impeachment, while a POLTICAL not legal process, is the EQUIVALENT of an Indictment, with the House being the equivalent of a Grand Jury.
So, he has already been “Indicted” and aquitted, twice.
He’s in it to win it, and I am right there with him, to the end.
The more they hammer him, the stronger his support grows. His donations have exploded.
They’ve made a martyr out of him already. Did Garland, Wray, Obama and Co expect we’d all abandon him? Or consider that their Stalinist despotism is starting to bother even those who aren’t Trump supporters but whose own situations have been decimated by a corrupt minor attracted dementia patient and his handlers?
They are starting to sound hysterical now, and that is never a good sign…for them.
As this escalates, I fully expect to see more and more drawn to President Trump’s corner.
And as with you, dutch, and everybody else here, that red line which has been crossed will have us all standing immovable on it. We’re not budging…ever.
Let’s see how they deal with that.
I listened to president Trump’s At the annual Georgia GOP convention in Columbus Georgia.
He addressed the indictment brought down by special counselor Jack Smith.
I enjoyed President Trump’s defense.
He has handled the documents better than any of the previous Presidents.
President Trump will win the primaries.
the bad news:
I think he said he had a 5% lead over Joe Biden.
Is it true?
Maybe the polls are wrong .
45% of the country will cast a vote for whoever the DNC puts on the ballot?
The BEST President ever vs the WORST President ever .
Only a 5% lead , this can’t be true.
leik, I’m not the best person to put this to because a) I didn’t hear it; b) I think polls are rubbish, to put it bluntly; and c) I don’t trust any of them.
I view polls as I view government statistics. Not worth paying attention to.
There was a time I’d have said the only poll which mattered was the one on election day. But even that has been corrupted.
This morning (Monday, June 12) — here’s an article at yahoo.com: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporters-violent-rhetoric-defense-152907828.html
That seems to be how they will deal with it — an article about Trump supporters’ “violent rhetoric.” Their supporters actually use violence (Antifa, BLM, SPLC) — but they are fearful of rhetoric.
If they dis-qualify Trump (totally unconstitutional) then we can easily pull the plug on the republican party. That will eliminate one wing of the uni-party – the bird will be severely wounded. Then we can focus all our energy on destroying the democratic wing. It’ll be a much easier job than taking shots at a two-winged bird.
Then when we’ve pinned all the blame where it belongs, we’ll get help from the military. The sad thing is we’ll lose our Republic, but it will be worth it – we’ll never have total nit-wits running the country ever again.
Then I will write DONALD J TRUMP on my ballot because I will vote for only Donald J Trump and NO OTHER.
“I want to be optimistic too, but then I read about all of the J6 convictions the DOJ has “won”.”
According to the DOJ, about 335 people have received sentencing in relation to the January 6 attacks, and approximately 185 have been sentenced to time in prison.
I’m optimistic because none of the j6 people are the same as the former presidents of the United States.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/oath-keepers-leader-political-prisoner-stewart-rhodes-reacts/
The case is being handled in the court of US District Judge Aileen Cannon in Miami, not in the corrupt political DC courts which condemned the J6 political prisoners in betting well before any “trials”.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/leftists-apocalyptic-after-trump-appointed-judge-assigned-jack/
Every j6 trial outside of DC gulags has been won by the j6 defendant….something to chew on
I keep thinking if they can go after President Trump, then Obama, Clinton, Bush are all fair game as well.
Precedent opens many doors others would wish to remain locked. Wondering if these maniacal unhinged modern day Berias have thought of that.
Really? And exactly who with any power will be going after them?
Pendulums swing both ways, Bonnie. One never knows.
Don’t be naive – no offense intended – there is no pendulum in DC – do you think the TDS /uniparty / lawfare crowd is really afraid or nervous about THAT Ever happening? . They are institutionally responding to an outsider threat -PDJT / MAGA – Then , they hope , it will be back to the two wings of the uniparty kubuki style of governance that S talks about .
DC may not have one, joe. But I know Someone who does.
Yeah I know Him also! I pray He is with President Trump and U.S. District Court Judge Aileen! Hopefully she will have wisdom and courage to dismiss this shameful show trial! Godspeed President Trump!
Yes sir. The pressure is on now for her to recuse because she was Trump appointed. I pray she’ll stay strong and not be a Jeff Sessions redux.
Prayer, prayer, and more unremitting prayer, my friend. I am with you in asking for His protection of our President. And that He will cause the feet of the godless forces in evil’s employ to stumble. We mustn’t lose hope or faith while the Ship of State is in peril in turbulent waters.
PDJT, in 2025.
And Betsy, I keep thinking of what would come up, if they ran 702 about searches on ALL of the miscreants!
We KNOW they had phone calls emails and text messages as they conspired to soft coup, steal elections, etc.
ALL of the evidence, of ALL of their criminality, is RIGHT THERE in the NSA database.
Yep…all of it, dutch.
It might be there, but who is going to get it out?
And ….There is another pendulum and it goes Tick Tock back and forth ….so I’m just slightly cynical about any precedent blowback from the persecution of PDJT – there is more of a chance of a UFO landing in Central Park at Lunchtime than anything happening to those named above . And if Biden goes down < you know it is NOT because of that ‘no one is above the law’ cliche , it is because They WANT to Dump that old used up potato peel .
exactly…while the republican establishment was stuffing their pockets(and the pockets of their defense and corporate donors for decades),the democrats,like busy little bees were one by one picking off every major institution in the country and winning the culture war….
now they have total control…..
we
re sending billions to ukraine and trump(with a republican congress blocking him) couldn
t build a border wall…How about “We the People”….?
“And exactly who with any power will be going after them?”
THIS
I think the entire thing is/was a setup. If the archives dumped them in the parking lot and then complained he had docs he should not have, that’s a conspiracy as far as I’m concerned. The national archivist is the one who should be on trial. Why would they deviate from past presidents where they rented space to store the docs. Maybe because it was a UniParty conspiracy to “get” Trump.
I am appalled that the person in charge of our founding documents is of such low moral character as to set a president of the usa for political purposes. Why does this person still have a job.
I saw a comment on another article here were the commenter stated that he knew of the processes used by the National Archives. He mentioned that they “red flagged” the Declaration of Independence as a malicious document, or something to that effect. That sums up the people that staff these bureaucracies.
you trust roberts/coney-barrett and the coward kavanaugh?……
i sure as hell don`t…
This has to end up in the laps of SCOTUS whether they like it or not. I can’t imagine this trial not ending up in the S. Court and they denying to hear it !. There is no way they could find him guilty. Well there is but it would be the end of every shred of respect of them by anyone in the world.
Barr is an idiot.
The documents are the property of the People.
The government is to serve the People.
We The People created the government to serve us.
And the deep state managed to weaponize an institution no one ever paid any attention too – NARA. If NARA was doing its job, they would have ferreted out the classified documents Pence and Biden held years ago. Not to mention, they haven’t raided Obama’s warehouse – they wouldn’t dare.
Deep State has connections in all agencies. NARA has custody over tons of classified documents. Many of those have conveniently “gone missing”, from time to time. Nothing to see there.
And, of all of the elected positions, there are ONLY TWO that are elected by the American people, and so can be said that the AMERICAN PEOPLE are their constituency; POTUS and VPOTUS.
Here’s what the DC Federal Court said in 2012 about Presidential Documents:
From Clinton Case: The Judges ruling in that case in 2012 should exonerate Trump from any alleged wrongdoing. The Judge said a couple of important things. Amy Berman Jackson, the judge in that case said that the President had an absolute unreviewable right to take any records or documents that he wants when he leaves office. She said no one can come back and second guess or double think or ask questions about what the President elects to take with him.
In her ruling, Jackson wrote that the President enjoys unconstrained authority to make decisions regarding the disposal of documents, although the President must notify the Archivist before disposing of records….. neither the Archivist nor Congress has the authority to veto the Presidents’s disposal decision.
Thank you CJ.
Very nicely put sir 👊🏻
Barr is not “an idiot.”
The GOP is not “Stupid.”
They are not “cowards.”
People still have trouble distinguishing between “stupid” and “complicit.”
RM,
THANK YOU for making this distinction, as only by constant repetition will we disabuse the lie that has been repeated so often, to excuse the Republicons behavior as OTHER than complicit.
On a side note, “STOOPID” and “Complicit” are not mutally exclusive 😉
Add a soupçon of arrogant self righteousness and two huge scoops of hubris to those then we’re speaking of a recipe for major screwups. Here’s hoping.
The problem with smarmy, indignantly self-important neo-aristocrats is they are smarmy indignantly self-important neo-aristocrats.
Barr is trying to cover his own fat ass. He knew everything that was going on and did absolutely nothing. He knew and still knows everything Trump has been accused of was all lies and he knew all about the Bidens’ treasonous dealings all over the world and did nothing. He knew about tons of other crimes committed by his DC swamp friends and did nothing. He knows his buddy Epstein didn’t kill himself and knows who killed him and did nothing. I wouldn’t doubt if Epstein had some videos of him in compromising situations involving him committing some pedo crimes.
Best handle I’ve seen so far.
And he knew and failed to address rampant election fraud.
Yes, “complicit” — the word!
“In essence, the President of the United States is subservient to the bureaucracy. ”
And the bureaucracy is as big as my belly -Bill “Bury It” Barr
BTW, I wonder if God is subservient to Bagpipe’s “bureaucracy” in his Bible study with
Herr Mueller.
That was PDJT’s crime – he was not subservient to the bureaucracy. This is why they are determined to teach him a lesson, a lesson for all to be forewarned. The bureaucracy has metastacised. The deep state has taken control, the bureaucracy is subordinate to the deep state.
It’s interesting PT is in NJ, not Florida. PT may be safer in Murphy’s New Jersey than Ron’s Florida.
😒
It doesn’t matter if they made up laws and rules specifically to target DJT, but it should. It doesn’t matter if they obscure facts to further prosecute the man in the media, but it should.
What matters is this…they are trying to manipulate the 2024 election. Furthermore, former POTUS Trump has indomitable courage and strength. If they can beat or break him, what about everyone else? The mainstream media has always had a strong left bend, look at what they did to Richard Nixon, or for that matter Herbert Hoover?
For those who think they should move on to someone else because of the relentless persecution of Trump (which is what this is about, to disqualify him) think again.
I believe the puppet masters are creating this whole charade. You all know who that is. The same ones that put Biden in as President, but knew he was a nincompoop and would be happy to have the job…just not have to do anything.
now fast forward to 24. They hoped Trump would be tired of the crap or that the American public would have tired of him, and they could let Joe stumble into another term without much opposition.
But the polls shocked them. The Hunter stories were not going away. So I believe they have decided to take out Trump, knowing that Biden will have to go as well. But who cares in the scheme of things? Ole Joe was always expendable.
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Some of these are way beyond top secret, like, I said, Talent Keyhole, when you’re talking about Special Access Programs or SCI, sensitive, compartmentalized information.
These really are the crown jewels of the U.S. intelligence community.
Like the SAPs on Hilldog’s server ?
Yeah, I thought the same.
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Some of these are way beyond top secret, like, I said, —>Talent Keyhole<—
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If it’s so tippy-top-secret why are you talking about that spy satellite on broadcast TV?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE is a moron. Always has been.
When she would hand it back to Lou Dobbs on FBN…the way her mouth moved when she said “Lou” was so unnatural and creepy I swore she was a cadaver-robot.
“Lou-wuh.”
She’s obviously been to the re-education camp in the past year
She’s been off the reservation for quite awhile.
That was my first thought. then why are you talking about it on TV? It’s not a secret now, obviously. Does she have Security clearance. It seems that is handed out like candy on Halloween.
Lol, that was almost as bad as Biden pointing to a man behind him, while speaking on live TV, and identifying that man as the guy “who has the nuclear codes.” (This was when Biden was campaigning with Obama…)
OH, Herridge has turned for sure. I used to think she tried to be truthful and fair but I can see what she has become. She’s just disgusting!! And another one bites the dust….!
Haven’t you heard the stock Left reply that these are two different cases and nobody is above the Law. The memo went out, listen to them repeat these two slogans.
They are just working up to the chorus;
“this may be,…the beggggggiiiinnnninngg of the eeeeennnnndddd of Trump!”
lol.
They say any advertising is good, guess we will see. Trump lives in their heads rent free.
Well, Dee.
I see your in Fla., how many heaslines have you seen with “DeSantis” in them, as oppossd to “Trump”.
They SAID they wouldn’t “fall for it” again, but they just can’t resist giving him mountains of free advertising, lol.
“But, its NEGATIVE press!” some say.
Yeah, and I can see that, by looking at his poll #’s and campaign donations, lol.
Amy Berman Jackson:
Watch roberts and kavanough change precedent well because.
The Institutions are obviously captured….But by whom?
He knows
The Great Awakening
WATCH:
https://rumble.com/v2s0gp8-plandemic-3-the-great-awakening-full-unedited-movie.html
We are standing in the way
Beautiful to see.
Thank you for the links.
There are so many laws, if they assigned a team of lawyers to pursue any individual and scoured the law, they can find crimes to charge.
“3 felonies/day” is what the average adult “commits” without knowing it.
But, if you own a business, it jumps to 11, IIRC.
NO ONE can tell you, how many laws, rules and Regulations are IN the Federal register, cause its constantly growing.
Trump signs executive order requiring that for every one new regulation, two must be revoked
Need something like that for laws.
Test:
‘Ray Epps’
Can everyone see this?
I can see its just fine, Mass Psychosis.
Test affirmative, but do you have any idea what hubbabubba is babbling about?
Lets try another,..
Chemtrails,…
Bolshevik,..
How about Pfizer Covid vax is poison, the 2020 election was STOLEN.
Can you hear me now?
What a nutjob.
See what?
(kidding)
not to mention that all evidence they have was gathered under fraudulent predicate
The DOJ case is already falling apart. Supreme Court Drops Roadblock On Trump Prosecution with the Navy v. Egan, a 1988 case 9-0, and Bill Clinton vs Judicial Watch case! President Trump will be the next POTUS again!
Below is link to Attorney Robert Barnes who explains in detail the Trump indictment. Didn’t mark it – so fast forward (maybe 10 mins) to Trump segment. Barnes is the real deal and gives explicit information as it pertains to the *Constitution*. Watch it, you’re gonna love it!
I posted here as it’s about CBS discussion of the indictment.
https://rumble.com/v2tkpjq-ep.-164-trumps-federal-indictment-and-other-law-stuffs…-viva-and-barnes-l.html
Yep – it really is great – everyone should check this out. I have posted about this above as well. 51 mins in discussion starts.
Was there willful intent to destroy blackberries, iPads, iPhones etc on a Sunday afternoon by the Hillary gang?james comey can’t see willful intent.
“then why did the institutions dump them in the parking lot of the White House and tell him to deal with them?” Wait, wut? I don’t think your readers are aware of this, Sundance. I’m not, and I read here pretty much every day. Can you elaborate?
The photo has been posted on several threads.
I don’t want to know about a photo. I want to know what happened. I don’t think President Trump was in the driveway packing boxes by himself. This is the kind of stuff that’s done by staff in every single case. And probably with zero supervision from the president himself. We know this whole setup stinks from the get, but who put these boxes in the driveway? Who makes these decisions? This is rotten as hell
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And.
Our VSGPDJT relayed the story in his recent (yesterday!) speaking engagement.
And.
NARA is the party that broke ‘tradition/precedent’ by not doing the only duty they have during a transition period.
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Which leads to the conundrum I believe President Trump has them in:
If NARA’s dereliction of duty is defended due to ‘well, Trump has never conceded, so we did not know if it was the proper timing to do our duty’, then;
a) they need to be made to answer what, exactly, and when, was the impetus for them to decide they had a duty wrt the Trump Administration in order to, now, be involved, or;
b) explain why they are still not apprised of the legitimacy of transition such that their duty did not toll on or around, January 20, 2021.
I haven’t been paying attention of late. When did AG Barr produce his December 2020 legal memo to President Trump advising President Trump to leave all records at the White House? I believe it’s one of the jobs AG Barr was paid by the taxpayers to perform, give legal advice to the President. Now corporate media is paying Barr to give President Trump rather useless advice.
Bill Barr is a snake. His role in this is to protect the institutions he helped build,
‘and not to protect PDJT.
It’s impossible to imagine how President Trump is coping with being attacked at every turn. How can supposedly intelligent people spout nonsense with a straight face. They must really fear PDJT. God help him.
For some reason, I thought your last sentence was going to read, “God help them.” 🙂
There won’t ever be a covid amnesty & there won’t be a coup d’état amnesty either.
They all love to claim “there is plenty of evidence” of wrongdoing on behalf of President Trump without ever having to cite even one of those “plenty”.
Its a common tactic, known as “the voice of authority” IIRC.
You say something as fact, with absolute “conviction” as if it is such an obvious FACT, that only an idiot would question it.
A “tell” is if you hear the word “CLEARLY”; WHAT does “clearly” actually add?
“I am tired”
“Clearly, I am tired”
It adds nothing but intimidation, as it implies a greater degree of certainty, without as you note offering any evidence, logic or even rhetorical substantiation.
See people post comments here, all of the time that ASSERT something as if it was fact, and then provide NO supporting arguments.
No doubt someone will point out that I have done this, even tho I TRY to provide SOME support for assertions I make, which is one of the reasons my comments are long.
The “appeal to authority” approach, a logical fallacy.
It’s the pencil neck schiff approach. Speak the lie often enough and you eventually believe the lie. Schiff still believes he’s seen actual proof Trump colluded with Russia. Wonder what Clinton has on him.
Heads up: Tucker Carlson’s producer (he worked with him at F0x) has posted on his own account that Tucker’s next probram is tomorrow and his topic is The Indictment of Trump.
Hope Tucker reads Sundance, and gets it right!
He probably read our comments and has prepared something that he knows we want to hear.
Like team DeSantis during the covid hoax.
It disappeared in an instant.
I thought I had entered “The Twilight Zone.”
Tired of the DOJ”s grand jury attacks on President Trump with no counterattack?
Oh, there is plenty of jousting going on amongst the wordsmiths and…… as important as that is, it is clearly not a threat to the bad guys roaming around in their DC swamp enclave, inside the “evil bubble of doom.”
When the feds become outlaws, then they immediately relinquish the responsibilities and controls that they have been given by “we the people” under our Constitutional Republic. We gave it to them, we can take it back.
The need for citizen’s action is clear ….. the responsibilities and controls have to be “clawed back” from the treasonous traitors operating within the DC based criminal organizations.
They can’t keep what is not theirs and which they have forfeited the use of by their treasonous actions.
The Citizens Grand Jury will be the preferred “clawed hammer” doing the “clawback.”
There can be multiple Citizen Grand Juries spread across America. Each Citizen Grand Jury will start with the crimes, criminals and evidence from the Durham Report.
They can hit the ground running with specifics objectives. Multiple Citizen Grand Juries can split up the list of criminals to avoid different juries working on the same criminals.
Respectfully, Cactus.
My first preference for “clawing back” is the Political approach of PDJT attacking from the Top down, and MAGA from the bottom up, to destroy the RNC and State R party leadership, finally evicting the Whigs and making the Republican party as intended.
If THAT doesn’t work, I have several Eastwing claw hammers, both framing and finish, that I intend to employ, as I am a skilled carpenter, and can built a functioning gallows.
Just as Diplomacy is war by other means, Politics is civil war, by other means.
For me, putting a veneer of legality on the process by having citisen grand juries is a pretence, but if somebody wants to hold one while I am bending nails,…have at it.
“For me, putting a veneer of legality on the process by having citisen grand juries is a pretence, but if somebody wants to hold one while I am bending nails,”
Respectfully, dutchman,
You have missed the two prong purpose of the citizens grand jury, for whatever reason.
That is not my problem.
MEGA MAGAs can provide all out support for President Trump’s 2024 train and open up a second front at the same time because the MAGA movement has the numerical, economic, moral, intellect and armed majorities in America. Volunteers are at the ready.
We are proud to have you bending nails in the service of America.
Keep up the good work!
MAGA isn’t just our MOTTO, it is our duty.
“Let’s go Brandon and the democrats and the GOPe, especially the DeXX and Pen-cXX gangs!”
“So sayeth the defender of the omnipotent Dept of Justice.”
Which raises the obvious question.
What is the difference between God and the “Dept of Justice”?
Answer: God doesn’t think He is DOJ.
yup, I SEE it! lol.
Ask “Maquis”….the slimer returns. LOL…
IIRC, when a known,…*hole sneaks ba k in and posts a comment, that is then deleted the whole “thread” i.e. comment and responces is deleted, hence it disappeared.
Fast work and kudos Maquis and Ad rem, and thanks!
To post my oft repeated refrain Ad rem ROCKS!!!!!
😘
Right….all comments that are “inset” to the comment being deleted are also deleted. Just the way the algorithm works….so the thread makes more sense. 😀
When we get a “cleanup on aisle 3” we get a total clean up!
I’m a golfer; I love golf. And Sunday’s are my golf day. But today, was a rain out as storms last night and into this morning made my tee-time a washout, so I decided to read….and read….and read.
The indictment of PDJT for document mishandling is a red herring–it’s a ruse. The government has no case, but it does have unlimited funds and resources to use in wearing down not only President Trump, but We the People.
However, in my five or six hours of weather-imposed reading this morning, I became alarmed at very similar themes from trusted (mostly) writers and sites. I will not spoil or unfairly characterize the theme or message of these articles, rather, I would leave that up to those who read my post and decide to make their own decision.
But I will give you a hint; we have passed into a phase of current events that is both historical and unprecedented. What transpires next will effect every man, woman and child in this country and will be very consequential. I hope anyone who takes the time to read my comment will read ALL the articles.
You WILL be informed.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/10/on-trump-and-everything-else-the-regime-has-gaslighted-america-into-oblivion/
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2023/06/12/they-will-turn-on-you-n2624342?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=cbe941bada2405dc22b10b28e4488ad17ad57dd4ff14f01c641a26083bdd54d4&pid=2624342
https://americanmind.org/salvo/welcome-to-your-new-country/
https://americanmind.org/salvo/revolutionary-necessity/
https://amgreatness.com/2023/06/10/can-trump-clean-the-augean-stables-on-the-potomac/
They are soooooo full of crap! I do not need them to educate me. They are banking the everyday joe has no idea what is going on. they think we are stupid.
Well, Lunch Bucket Joe sure doesn’t.
Yes, you are right and that is what makes it sad.
They bank on the true every day joe being larger than our numbers.
The thing is, I am “outgoing, gregarious” whatever. When out in public, I TALK, and more importantly LISTEN to total strangers.
Both fellow shoppers, and the cashier at stores, etc.
NOT finding any “lunchbucket joe” UNinformed people.
In fact I am amased at just how informed “people” are, even tho when asked, most don’t read here.
Robert Barns just went on a rant!! They are Trumps Documents! Viva Frie on UT
Great show! Ep. 164: TRUMP’S FEDERAL INDICTMENT!!! and other law stuffs… Viva & Barnes LIVE! (rumble.com) Starts at about 51 minutes in.
The Future For All Western Countries With Lax Immigration Policies: Murder, Rape, Arson Of Churches, Child Molestation, Women As Chattel. You Know…The 7th Century!
—CBD
As stated before ..here , the DOJ is hoovering up anything President Trump has that pertains to Russia Russia Russia. Because everyone in D.C. has their fingerprints all over it. And as an additional measure, getting him unelectable.
Well, no. Best you can say is they are TRYING, and it ain’t working ,…its “grasping at straws”.
Pathetic.
Serious question:
How many people are still drinking this Kool-Aid?
Gotta be way less than half the voting population!?
Someone get to the granular about how all Presidents have been blessed or saddled with these documents. For the last 50-60 yrs.
Great Scott
These people are insane!
Educate the public? The public is always light years ahead of the media and gov’t.
CBS=Columbia Bull… Corporation, nothing but ignorant ‘rat hacks and partisans selling a narrative. Anybody who watches this garbage is a moron, and that’s being kind.
“If the documents did not belong to President Donald J. Trump, then why did the institutions dump them in the parking lot of the White House and tell him to deal with them?”
This is easy. To do exactly what they are doing right now and have done to him since him and his lovely wife desended the escalator, try to set him up.
Ep. 164: TRUMP’S FEDERAL INDICTMENT!!! Viva & Barnes LIVE!
https://rumble.com/v2tkpjq
Starts from 51 minutes in.
Barnes eviscerates the indictment – options for grounds to dismiss vast – great info and explanation of what nonsense this all is.
Backs up what Sundance has posted.
Barnes also makes an interesting observation at the end of the discussion to why ole Joe may have allowed this to go forward. I won’t give it away but it is just the sort of duplicitous nonsense you would expect from these evil doers.
Enjoy!
The Great Pretending™ has gone into overdrive.
OK, if there are half way decent judges in these courts (NY, GA (when it happens, and FL) and they get thrown out or the public presentations of them are patently laughable (assuming they don’t get some judgement that all is nonpublic due to ya know, sensitive issues and such) they are going to have some super pissed off commies on their hands.
What is their plan B when they begin their prosecution/opening statement with some lame document oration. If their opening statement is not, “we will show that Trump gave/sold national secrets to our worst enemies and he is continually being paid by them, etc, etc” their commie base will have a collective coronary (which will be nice).
I mean if their presentation is he was allowed 5 copies of each and he made 6 copies……..
The coup against trump/us citizens has been premeditated every bit of the way.
Look for a smoking gun pre-Mar-a-Lago regarding the presidential documents attack.
Outstanding breakdown Mr. SD. It really is ridiculous to give the POTUS docs and then say they aren’t yours.
I’m trying not to overthink this.
It just seems to me that if the Left really believed that Trump is not going to be the Republican Nominee, then they wouldn’t be doing this.
Everything that is going on with Trump just seem to have some corresponding link to Joe Biden.
Hush money resembles Hunters laptop. Rape case, resembles Joe sniffing little girls the documents resembles Bidens documents. Georgia would answer to Bidens new bribery problem.
Not that Trump did anything, it’s for soundbites in 24 to turn off the independents and undecideds so Trump doesn’t get 74M votes again.
It just seems to me that these are all more to blunt the damage to Biden in 2024 than to prevent Trump from winning the Republican nomination.
Just my 2 cents.
Start with a false premise, and you are guaranteed to go off coarse from divining the truth.
The false premise for you and so many, is continueing to think of the “left” or Dems as ONE entity, with ONE agenda, and the Republicans as a DIFFERENT entity, with an agenda in opposition to that of the “Dems”.
Can you not see the coordination between these lawfare attacks and the advancing of RDS as the “alternative” to PDJT?
Do you not “get it” that RDS being portrayed as “fighting wokeness” is BECAUSE of the enemies distorted view of US, as “Bible clingers” who vote on moral (“cultural”) issues?
The Reublicon leadership WANTED Obamacare, wanted Ukraine War, wanted to shut down energy, wants an open border, etc. The “leftists agenda” IS their agenda, they just LIE about it.
THEY were deeply involved in muh Russia, and all of the attacks on PDJT, including the 2020 steal.
They WANTED to vote to convict on Impeachment, but they knew WE wouldn’t “buy it”.
Do you get it,…now?
I know its a hard concept, many struggle with it.
Thank you for your reply.
I use the terms left and right when talking to people out of habit because most people that I speak with don’t understand the concept of the uniparty.
“Can you not see the coordination between these lawfare attacks and the advancing of RDS as the “alternative” to PDJT?”
I do, but I’m beginning to consider an alternitive that has only lately transpired.
I can’t put my finger on when, but recently, DeSantis has been shelved, Biden is being worked out and I think maybe we are looking at a 2016 rematch between Trump and Clinton.
I could be just over thinking things and seeing shadows, it’s these cases against Trump that bear striking resemblance to Trumps campaign issues with Hillery. The ferver from the other side to “Lock him up”!
The rape case and Trump bringing up Bills indiscretions in 16.
This documents case and Hillerys server. And whatever Georgia will spin theirs as.
Either way, I firmly believe Trump is going to rightfully be the Republican Nominee.
“If the prosecutor only proves half of the charges, Trump is toast.”
How many people have you heard drop some variation of this Uniparty line?
do you need more evidence the government has become the enemy of every American?
i’m not advocating any violence, i’m advocating ‘peaceful defunding’
and general shunning
“Sand in the gears”, dismantling the State R party RINO hierarchy, working with voter integrity groups in your area, doing whatever you can.
Get and stay right with God, see to your needs, and plan for the worst while hoping for the best.
Double speak—classified documents and classified markings!
Boy, that old bat is dumb as a rock. Why can’t Trump ever get any serious lawyers to just run these people over?