[Part 1, understanding how the silos are used to deflect accountability.] In this #2 outline we give specific background examples of how weaponized Trump-Russia fraud worked and calling out names with examples of what they did.
On March 15, 2017, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes held a press conference announcing there was no specific evidence of “wire taps” at Trump Tower {HERE}. However, on March 22, 2017, Nunes held another press conference saying information was brought forth to the HPSCI showing the Trump campaign was under Title-1 surveillance by the FBI and former Obama administration {SEE HERE}. In between those critical six days, something happened that was important.
With the full backdrop of the Durham report as the baseline, we now know there was zero evidence of any Russian interference effort in the 2016 election.
The Trump-Russia narrative was created by the Clinton campaign, promoted by the FBI and Main justice and advanced in narrative construction by the Obama administration.
On March 17, 2017, Senate Intelligence Committee Vice-Chairman Mark Warner asked the FISA court for a copy of the FISA application used against Trump campaign official Carter Page.
This is not in doubt and was evidenced in DC USAO court records related to SSCI security director James Wolfe who was initially indicted for leaking that specific copy of the FISA application. The FISC stamp is also visible on the copy of the FISA that was eventually released.
QUESTION: Why did Mark Warner request a copy of the FISA application from the FISA COURT and not from DOJ Main Justice? The answer to that question falls into how insiders played the silo game against the Trump administration.
Warner didn’t request the FISA application from Main Justice because: (1) the DOJ insiders were going to fight the release of any toxic information that proved the Trump campaign was under active Title-1 surveillance; they were going to fight release to Devin Nunes. And (2) the legislative branch was part of the Trump-Russia attack construct and the SSCI membership were active participants with the DOJ and FBI (executive branch).
To weaponize the FISA in the effort to get a special counsel appointed, Mark Warner needed to work around the system that was being discussed in the media. Warner asked the FISA Court for their copy of the application. On March 17, 2017, a copy of that application was delivered by FBI agent Brian Dugan from the FISC to the SSCI. It was classified a ‘read and return’ Top Secret product with NO FOReign National access allowed.
Most people are unaware the declassified public version of the FISA application released by the DOJ was this Mark Warner copy. We know it was this copy again due to the FISC stamp on the document that eventually became declassified and public.
QUESTION: If the original FISA copy originated from the FISA Court, read and return, how did it end up in Main Justice as part of the eventual July 21, 2018, public release of the Carter Page FISA application?
Put another way, how did the 2017 physical copy go from the FISC to the SSCI and then end up at Main Justice for a 2018 release?
These are the awkward questions that cut through the use of the silo defense mechanisms.
The March 17, FISC copy ended up at Main Justice because the Washington Field Office case file against the leaker, SSCI Security Director James Wolfe, along with all the other evidence therein (which included text messages from Mark Warner), went back through the Mueller special counsel before Wolfe’s eventual indictment. This is when the Mueller team had to make a decision about releasing it to the public.
Weissmann freaked out when he saw the Dugan file against James Wolfe, and the looming probability that Senator Mark Warner would be caught as the person who told Wolfe to leak the FISA.
The FISA application was leaked. Mueller, Weissmann and Mark Warner knew that back in 2017, but what they didn’t know until the evidence file came in 2018 was that the FBI had proof the FISA was leaked.
Oh snap!
How to dilute that catastrophic issue?
The Weissmann team released the FISA application to the public on July 21, 2018.
Now…. Remember, both Michael Horowitz and John Durham destroyed the DOJ position on the predicate for the FISA application. In December 2019, IG Horowitz pointed out the missing ‘Woods File’ and 33 material issues with the application (one of which led to the criminal conviction of Kevin Clinesmith). Three years later, John Durham completely destroys the justification for the Trump-Russia premise behind it.
Notice how no one in the executive branch DOJ, FBI, ODNI, ever criticized Robert Mueller, yet we know to a demonstrable certainty the Mueller special counsel was likely more corrupt than the originating DOJ/FBI corruption the special counsel was protecting.
The origin of ‘Spygate’ was bad, but the totality of the cover-up effort in the Mueller-Weissmann special counsel was exponentially worse. More actual laws and policies within the justice department were broken by Robert Mueller than any preceding corrupt official.
♦ Amid a series of documents released by the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2020 [SEE HERE] there was a rather alarming letter from the DOJ to the FISA Court in July 2018 that pointed out the DC agenda, the “institutional cover-up.” [Link to Letter]
Before getting to the substance of the letter, it’s important to put the release in context. After the FISA Court reviewed the DOJ inspector general report (Dec 2019), the FISC ordered the DOJ-NSD to declassify and release documents related to the Carter Page FISA application.
In the cover letter for this specific release to the Senate Judiciary and Senate Intelligence committees, the DOJ cited the January 7, 2020, FISA court order:
Keep in mind that prior to this release only the FISA court had seen this letter from the DOJ-National Security Division (DOJ-NSD).
As we walk through the alarming content of this letter, I think you’ll identify the motive behind the FISC order to release it.
First, the letter in question was sent by the DOJ-NSD to the FISA Court on July 12, 2018. It is critical to keep the date of the letter in mind as we review the content. This letter to the FISA Court was sent nine days before the DOJ released the FISA application to the public.
Aside from the date, the important part of the first page is the motive for sending it.
The DOJ is telling the FISA court in July 2018: based on what they know the FISA application still contains “sufficient predication for the Court to have found probable cause” to approve the application.
In essence, in July 2018 the DOJ (now with Mueller in place) is defending the Carter Page FISA application as still valid.
However, it is within the justification of the application that alarm bells are found. On page six the letter identifies the primary participants behind the FISA redactions:
As you can see: Christopher Steele is noted as “Source #1”. Glenn Simpson of Fusion-GPS is noted as “identified U.S. person” or “business associate”, and Perkins Coie is the “U.S-based law firm.”
Now things get very interesting.
On page #8 when discussing Christopher Steele’s sub-source, the DOJ notes the FBI found him to be truthful and cooperative.
This is an incredibly misleading statement from Main Justice to the FISA court, because what the letter doesn’t say is that 18-months earlier the sub-source, also known in the IG report as the “primary sub-source”, informed the FBI that the material attributed to him in the dossier was essentially junk.
Let’s look at how IG Michael Horowitz framed the primary sub-source Igor Danchenko, and specifically notice the FBI contact and questioning took place in January 2017 (we now know that date to be January 12, 2017):
Those interviews with Steele’s primary sub-source, Igor Danchenko, took place in January, March and May of 2017, and clearly the sub-source debunked the content of the dossier itself. In May of 2017, Weissmann and Mueller were in charge. This is when the special counsel attempted to pay Danchenko $300k to throw a bag over him.
Those Danchenko interviews were 18-months, 16-months and 14-months ahead of the July 2018 DOJ letter to the FISC. The DOJ-NSD, with the instructions from the Mueller Special Counsel, says the sub-source was “truthful and cooperative” but the DOJ doesn’t tell the court the content of the truthfulness and cooperation. Why?
Keep in mind, this letter to the court was written by AAG John Demers in July 2018. Jeff Sessions was Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein was Deputy AG, Christopher Wray was FBI Director, David Bowditch is Deputy, and Dana Boente is FBI chief-legal-counsel. Robert Mueller and Andrew Weissmann were at their apex.
Why would the DOJ-NSD not be forthcoming with the FISA court about the primary sub-source? This level of disingenuous withholding of information speaks to an institutional motive.
As noted by Durham, from the outset the FBI and DOJ knew the Trump-Russia stuff was nonsense. By July 2018, the DOJ clearly knew the Steele dossier was full of fabrications, yet they withheld that information from the FISA Court and said the predicate was still valid. Why?
It doesn’t take a deep-weeds-walker to identify the DOJ motive.
In July 2018 Robert Mueller’s investigation was at its apex.
This letter, justifying the application and claiming the current information, would still be a valid predicate therein, speaks to the 2018 DOJ needing to retain the validity of the FISA warrant. The DOJ needed to protect evidence Mueller & Weissmann had already extracted from the fraudulent FISA authority. That’s the silo motive.
In July 2018, if the DOJ-NSD had admitted the FISA application and all renewals were fatally flawed, Robert Mueller and Andrew Weissmann would have needed to withdraw any evidence gathered as a result of its exploitation. In essence, Main Justice in 2018 was protecting Mueller’s poisoned fruit.
If the DOJ had been honest with the court, there’s a strong possibility some, perhaps much, of Mueller evidence gathering would have been invalidated… and cases were pending. The solution: mislead the court and claim the predication was still valid.
That motive clarifies why the FISC would order the 2020 DOJ, now headed by Bill Barr, to release the letter they received from Main Justice.
Remember, in December 2019 the FISC received the IG Horowitz report, and they would have immediately noted the disparity between what IG Horowitz outlined about the FBI investigating Steele’s sub-source, as contrast against what the DOJ told them in July 2018.
The DOJ letter is a transparent misrepresentation when compared to the information in the Horowitz report. Hence, the FISC orders the DOJ to release the July ’18 letter so that everyone, including congressional oversight and the public can see the misrepresentation.
The NSD silo inside Main Justice wrote this letter to the FISC silo – never intending for it to become public.
The court was misled. Everyone can clearly see it. However, no one in the legislative or executive branch touched it because the court was misled by Robert Mueller.
The court was misled by the special counsel. Reflect on this for a moment.
The content of that DOJ-NSD letter, and the subsequent disparity, points to an institutional cover-up; and as a consequence the FISC also ordered the DOJ to begin an immediate sequestration effort to find all the evidence from the fraudulent FISA application – the proverbial fruit from the poisonous tree. In hindsight, the FISC was covering their own ass.
Two more big misstatements within the July 2018 letter appear on page #9. The first is the DOJ claiming that only after the application was filed did they become aware of Christopher Steele working for Fusion-GPS and knowing his intent was to create opposition research for the Hillary Clinton campaign. See the top of the page.
According to the DOJ-NSD claim, the number four ranking official in the DOJ, Bruce Ohr, never told them he was acting as a conduit for Christopher Steele to the FBI. While that claim is hard to believe, in essence what the DOJ-NSD is saying in that paragraph is that the FBI hoodwinked the DOJ-NSD by not telling them where the information for the FISA application was coming from. The DOJ, via John Demers, is blaming the FBI.
The second statement, equally as incredulous, is at the bottom of page nine where the DOJ claims they had no idea Bruce Ohr was talking to the FBI throughout the entire time any of the FISA applications were being submitted – October 2016 through June 2017.
In essence, the claim there is that Bruce Ohr was working with the FBI and never told anyone in the DOJ throughout 2016 and all the way past June 29th of 2017. That denial seems rather unlikely; however, once again the DOJ-NSD (Weissmann) is putting the FBI in the crosshairs and claiming they, the special counsel, knew nothing about the information pipeline.
Bruce Ohr, whose wife was working for Fusion-GPS and assisting Christopher Steele with information, was interviewed by the FBI over a dozen times as he communicated with Steele and fed his information to the FBI. Yet the DOJ claims they knew nothing about it.
Again, just keep in mind this claim by the DOJ-NSD is being made in July 2018, six months after Bruce Ohr was demoted twice (December 2017 and January 2018). If what the DOJ is saying was true (it wasn’t), well, the FBI was completely off-the-rails and rogue.
The DOJ was claiming in the July 2018 letter the FISA application predication was still valid. However, if the DOJ-NSD (Mueller team) genuinely didn’t know about the FBI manipulation, they would be informing the court in 2018 the DOJ no longer supported the FISA application due to new information. They did not do that. Instead, in July 2018, they specifically told the court the predicate was valid, yet the DOJ-NSD knew it was not.
The last point about the July 2018 letter is perhaps the most jarring. Again, keep in mind when it was written; Chris Wray is FBI Director, David Bowditch is Deputy and Dana Boente is FBI chief legal counsel.
Their own FBI reports, by three different INSD and IG investigations, had turned up seriously alarming evidence going back to the early 2017 time-frame; the results of which ultimately led to the DC FBI office losing all of their top officials; and knowing the letter itself was full of misleading and false information about FBI knowledge in/around Christopher Steele – this particular sentence is alarming:
“The FBI has reviewed this letter and confirmed its factual accuracy?”
Really?
As we have just shared, the July 2018 letter itself is filled with factual inaccuracies, misstatements and intentional omissions. So who exactly did the “reviewing”?
This declassification release raised more questions than any other; and yet no one, not a single investigative body, asked questions about it.
Why?…
Because the letter itself was prima-facie evidence of lies directly from the special counsel of Robert Mueller and Andrew Weissmann.
No one in the executive branch, legislative branch or even judicial branch wanted to highlight the corruption of the special counsel.
Here’s the Full Letter. I strongly suggest everyone read the 14-pages slowly. If you know the background, this letter is infuriating… AND keep in mind, every single staff member in the House and Senate (those investigating the issue) said they never saw it. Why, because the DOJ was using silos to hide information.
That’s how badly broken the system of justice, and the system of checks-and-balances in Washington DC, really is. What we are seeing in the blatant targeting, silencing, and outright in-your-face behavior is a downstream result of the system knowing everyone involved is part of the corrupt operation.
We need to break through these created silo walls by questioning the participants together.
Still waiting for the handcuffs.
Yeah. Garland will clean this up for you. Sarc/
McCarthy seems to think so.
OH SURE!
I could reply to you Doc, but I know our conversation is being watched.
Scared?
EVERY conversation you have is potentially being listened to.
So what?
I do not think you will be wait too long…IT’S COMIN….
Buck tooth ain’t got a thing to worry about….he will become wealthier as Ryan and Boehner and the long list goes…
Congress is corrupt and corrupted….Intellegence is long past corrupted….the Supremes who aren’t corrupt are being intimidated…the executive branch is a corrupt nightmare
Our nation is corrupt….communists are taking it down
The end is near
Buh buh….buh bye…
Trump was our last chance….but the corrupt and the corrupted have won…..trump was undermined and every last one of the sorry bastards who did that to US know who they are….may they rest in piss
…the corrupt need to know who they are….and they do….
But putting it straight up and for all the world to see….
Y’all are the sorriest examples of human beings to ever walk this earth…
The deep state, the executive branch, the legislators and the corrupted members of the judiciary branch…but especially the intelligence agencies…the deep state…
Especially the intelligence agencies deserve to be spat upon and reviled for you have failed to protect this nation and our constitution…you have all failed in your oath to uphold our constitution.
dont be holding your breath
They investigated themselves, during the thousands of “ongoing investigations”, and found they did nothing wrong. Time (for Congress) to shut it all down.
The Republicans have the door wide open [question is will they walk through it]……There has to be swift & hard ACCOUNTABILITY for ALL those who took part in this fairytale investigation – If not it will happen over& over again…All I hear is talk – Talk – TALK!
Of course there is going to arrests! There WILL be accountability. Trump has everything. Durham exposed a lot. Believe Trump or not. You guys will have to wait until the time is ripe. It’s as simple as that.
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Either john dallas and paul1 forgot to put “/sarc.
at the end of their posts, or they are as naive as newborn lambs, or they are influencers.
Darned if I can sort it out, BK.
Or a new ‘set.’
Been a lot lately.
I’ve been here a while. Keep guessing.
None of the above. Try again?
Dutchman, I don’t here the line, bondo and spray paint anymore, why is that? Seems to me Durham was using clear coat. LOFL
*hear*
Sarcasm
I’ll take your word for it. Was confusing.
Oh brother.
Nope!
Q is that you?
Trust Sessions.
Greg1 is that you?
Beat it Paul.
LOFL!
military tribunals coming? hehehe
There is a lot of praying happening, but no preying!
While Sydney Powell might have her faults, her book ( License To Lie) about the total corruption inside the DOJ and specifically Weissman is worth the read. If there ever was a time to confront all of these pieces of human garbage together at the same time, that congressional body should bring Powell on board to drill them all under oath. She hates Weissman and has the evidence of his career of criminality
Sidney Powell is the # 1 whistleblower. Nothing was done even way back then. It is a pattern of denial.
Congress was behind it ALL, expecting THEM to “get to the bottom of it” is like expecting Al Capone to “get to the bottom” of all those bullet riddled bodies on Valentines day.
What do you suggest doing?
Leave country.
And where is this that the globalists are not attacking?
I hate to say this but dutchman is correct. Might as well believe a Three Letter Club is going to do the job they were created to do.
There are mini Sundances in ever state, district, county and or city who have worked on all sorts of DD, only to face the same results as the big trade of 2020.
If my math and the depth of corruption is exactly on the local level as it is at the top, and it is. That would give us about 3200 green dragons, if you count them by county and territory of this nation.
You probably average 4 people that probably posses the receipts on the criminal and gross negligence, in their green dragon franchise’s district. Yes, lets call them Green Dragon Franchises.
Don’t know about anyone else, but I can drop 8 bankers boxes of DD in a room, roll in a couple of white boards, and 8 hours later show you how the players running amuck in my green dragon franchise’s jurisdiction tried to wreck as much havoc in the 2016 election, then through 45’s WH, only to jump back to the most horrific corruption at the local level and every point in between. All the while seeing how much they could steal along the way, including votes. Not to mention what they have done since.
That is before I even start skinning what is laid out in HB’s laptop that is woven into everything above.
45 can’t become 47 fast enough, because it is time for a Green Dragon Franchise convention.
Think about signing up for project2025.org.
Evidence for stolen votes?
Multiple websites are needed to explain all the evidence. Here’s one: https://causeofamerica.org/
But basically, if you think it shows we have a trustworthy election system when election officials, elected officials, and the media attack, censor, and cancel anyone who asks questions about elections, I can’t help you.
VERY GOOD IDEA!!!
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/05/kt_mcfarland_fbi_doj_and_cia_rigged_the_last_2_elections_and_they_will_rig_2024.html
The deep state was working to rig the 2024 election since Bidens first day in office.
Biden is not going to win.
I can agree with the rigging but it’s not in the way most people think it is. The rigging is done via the media and social media – pressuring people to get on board with the “right side” or the woke side, whatever. This constant hammering of the same tropes and the very loud minority of bots and paid shills is how the rigging is ultimately done. Elections stolen with votes is a red herring.
Bzzzzzz! Fail.
Thanks!
K. T. McFarland, a former Deputy National Security Advisor, says the FBI, Justice Department, and CIA will rig the 2024 U.S. presidential election, following their success in rigging 2016 and 2020, because they won’t allow any candidate to win that would hold them accountable:
“We now have black-and-white evidence that the FBI interfered in the 2016 election. When they failed to elect Hillary Clinton, they set out to destroy the Trump administration
Who pray tell can hold them accountable when trump was rendered impotent the last time around?
Who has access to ALL the silos? The reason for silos (Feds used to call them stovepipes) is to limit accurate, timely information to a select few. Those who have unfettered access are the people actually making the substantive decisions.
At this point a lot of it has been made public. There are some redactions, but a lot of it is already in the public sphere. I remember Sundance posting about getting subpoenaed, and the investigators thought he had a mole. He had to show them that all their coverup is found in publicly available materials. They’re just too stupid to realize what they released (silos) because they only knew the parts they were trying to cover up…but assumed people would be too stupid or in the dark to figure out the rest.
Hokkoda, spot on.
For those who don’t understand or pulled a TLDR:
They used the system to hide their crimes. But because they are silo’d each indiviudal silos report has the missing pieces from the previous released silo’d report. So on and so forth.
They believe, as Hokkoda pointed out, we are too stupid to connect the dots.
They don’t care if we connect the dots bc their asses are covered. Hats off to the military for coming up with this end-around on the constitution – truly remarkable work. And now we’ve essentially lost so they really got us good. I’m thinking we need to preserve this evidence to include in the next constitution. You know, after we become slaves for a while and then revolt. So like 200 more years from now.
Good question.
Obama, Rice, Monaco, Brennan, Haspel?
McConnell, Ryan.
Like regitiger figured out re:J6, in the end mueller was all an extensiin of the kabuki theater that is Congress.
They wanted to “Watergate” PDJT; THAT was the Insurance policy.
They hoped he would perjure himself to mueller (perjury trap) and FIRE the Mueller team (Friday nite massacre) which would then give them “Obstruction of Justice” and “Perjury” as grounds to impeach, and justification for Senate R’S to SAY theycwould vote to convict, if he didn’t resign.
THAT was the plan, and McConnell and Ryan came up with it, with Obama admin fully on board.
Getting the band back together, like when they double teamed the Tea party.
And Judge Roy Moore. And Herschel Walker. And Kelly Tshibaka (sp) of Alaska. And Gen Bolduc of NH. And…and…and. It is a well worn playbook
Good point. So should trump have fired mueller and then banked on the citizens recognizing there was no grounds for congress to impeach?
I thought after 9/11 they were all supposed to share information in order to catch the bad guys…just the opposite is happening
exactly. but now US citizens are the bad guys….
Well, they do share the information regarding foreign bad guys planning to do bad things here in the US. They just don’t stop it: Fort Hood, Boston Marathon, the Dallas shooting (FBI dropped him off right before), the various “lone gunmen” shootings recently, Las Vegas, the muslims in Cali in the mid 2015s, so on and so forth.
When it comes to going after us, the silos are needed to protect their targeting of Americans as outlined in these wonderful essays by Sundance.
I call them Piss Tubes.
Was Demers siloed from the lies in the Page FISZ application when he signed the letter?
If not, his book deal should be forthcoming.
Why else sign the letter know the underlying FISA lies
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Remember this story? Whatever became of this.
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/06/02/fbi-response-to-having-secure-workspace-at-perkins-coie-raises-more-questions-than-it-answers-n574005
What happened? Just like all the other exposures, Memory-holed. With so many fraudulent people to watch it’s hard to keep focused.
Wow
After Mueller/Weismann are called to testify live in front of Congress, the next witness should be Durham. Odds are that Weissman takes the 5th. Mueller might be too brain dead to answer questions and Weissman was running the scam anyway.
it’s comin..soon
Have Mueller and Weismann actually been called to testify?
They need to all be called to testify at the same time, and the questions need to be on target, as Sundance has outlined, otherwise they can continue their game of kick-the-can down the road to the other agency.
What you describe an propose doing about it is why many if not all of the Government bureaucracies are stock pilling guns an ammo. Any attempt by Congress or the Judiciary to hold these people accountable for their criminal activity will be met with an armed response from these people.
You act like someone’s gonna try to hold them accountable. That’s cute.
Seems to me some very public hangings (ie firings) need to accompany the debt ceiling negotiations…starting with FBI Director Wray.
I prefer Brennan first.
Slowly…. over a few days.
You brought out the first chuckle I’ve had in a few days.
Thanks
Indeed! S’mores.
Brennan Barr…BarrBrennanSessions.
HRC Obama Soros Schwab.
All Rockefellers, Rothschilds.
So many lists.
Brennan was the ringmaster. He should go first.
Same here.
I would not be surprised if the FBI or CIA assassinated Seth Rich to protect Hillary and keep intact the “Russia hacked the DNC emails” lie.
Despite Hillary’s preference for a drone strike, Julian Assange was most likely locked up in a British prison to protect the same lie.
Contracted out to ms-13, so easily eliminated cut outs if anything goes South.
Uh hmm. Exactly what happened.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing these miscreants could do that would surprise me.
I hear Gitmo is nice this time of year–plenty of room, too!
Somewhere purpose built and farther south then say… McMurdo Station.
Everybody was covering their ass, including the FISC, Colyer and Boasberg. However all of them had a duty greater than covering their ass, they all had a duty to inform the general public of the seditious conspiracy and attempted coup against the President of the United States. All those who knew and did not blow the whistle and inform the public are guilty of the same crimes. For this all of them should be executed for treason.
Also, those who financed the coup should be executed and every penny confiscated leaving them penniless. Nothing less is acceptable or just. For me, this should be the priority of anyone getting my vote.
We need a few convictions with long prison sentences, or a hanging, and then offer amnesty to the next 5 people who come into open session of Congress to testify and confess. Rinse and repeat.
No amnesty.
At the minimum loss of govt job and all benefits including retirement, if an attorney then disbarment, no working for any company that does any business with government at any level, no lobbying or working for any lobbyists, no working for any foreign governments or businesses that have any contact with government. And Pariah tattooed on their foreheads.
And this would be only for lower level conspirators. Those at or near the top should be put to death or jailed for life with no parole.
Execute them AND leave them penniless ☝️😉
Sedition, not treason. There is no war; at least declared publicly.
Look man, it’s obvious they were taking orders from the military. The military is in control, they’re the ones feeding the fbi and congress all this bs. Whatever corruption we think they’re doing is offset by the fact they think they’re doing the right thing for the preservation of the country, because that’s what they’ve been told.
They’ve done the math and the whole democracy and republic thing is not going to work – they need totalitarian control and they need it by any means necessary. Otherwise the country unravels into chaos with the economy and we lose status as the global hegemony.
And if you or I were in their shoes, we’d do the same thing bc there really isn’t any other way.
“And if you or I were in their shoes, we’d do the same thing bc there really isn’t any other way.”
Huh????????
Good grief. After this comment you should change your handle to mcass, more fitting.
More treasonous behavior omitted from the Durham report:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/john-durham-ignores-role-u-s-u-k/
Conspiring with foreign powers to interfere with a United States election and to aid in a coup against an elected president. If that is not treason then what is?
This is why Barr did not declassify the Info information implicating foreign governments in the treasonous plot.
Actually, there is no specific law against what they did.
These are lawyers; what they did is not “treason”, and no violence so not sedition, many crimes in the subsequent cover ups, which is an ongoing conspiracy to obstruct justice, subporn perjury, destroy/suppress evidence, etc.
But, just as its NOT what happened, but what you can PROVE happened that matters in Court,..if there is no law written outlawing an action, its not illegal.
What they did does not fit the legal definition of either sedition or treason, sorry but no matter how much we WANT it to, it doesn’t; look up the Federal Statutes.
RICO
… lots of $ was spent
and made
Okay, but Hitler generally operated within the law too. The point of the Nuremburg Trials was to say that there is a higher law (God’s law, but even unbelievers can see there are universal things that work and don’t) which man’s law cannot set aside. We need to start focusing on what is right and wrong, not what is legal and illegal. (Remember, ripping babies limb from limb is legal in Colorado, as long as you do it inside the womb.)
You think these corrupt officials think they’re doing evil? That they are choosing the wrong path? No they think they’re saving the country.
They can think what they want, and like those convicted at the Nuremburg Trials, we can arrange for them to shortly be explaining it to God.
I think lots of folks get a guilty vote without sufficient evidence. I would be happy to see the approach tried on these treasonous bastards.
It all depends on the jury’s opinion. Trump gets indicted on baloney so why not them?
My jury vote says it fits the definition.
Are you sure about “violence” being a condition of a “Seditious Conspiracy”? Take a look at the wording and placements of the word “or”. –
18 US Code # 2384 – Seditious Conspiracy
” If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. “
Are we expected to believe that the FISA court could be lied to and all we got from it was a letter? That’s it? They don’t want to get together with the House Republican and raise hell! Get in on questioning how they were lied to so blatantly. The Supreme Court has nothing to say about this abuse? Then the Republic is over. They are supposed to revere the Constitution at the Supreme Court, not watch while the administrative state uses it as toilet paper.
Again, the Congressional leadership, both parties, both Houses were IN on the Coup.
No law against us taking back our government either.
You stick your neck out first.
Exactly this! For too long I have wondered why the FISC never went apoplectic for being made schmucks. Unless, of course, they are otherwise compromised or, willing participants
Warner had a serius challenger, until, you guessed it, the late night ballot drop happened. The entire commonwealth voted for his challenger, but there’s more population in the Virginia bedroom community around DC, than there is every where else, so our votes don’t count, we didn’t want him or Kaine but they were shoved down our throats
Every election the NVA counties wait until all the other votes are in from around the state, and then, finally, there release their numbers.
They learned from Chicago and Miami-Dade.
Similar practice in PA, the middle of the state has their numbers reported first then the Philly and Pittsburgh areas follow on.
We should all send Warner Christmas cards on behalf of James Wolfe
When the judiciary is corrupt, remedies will be extra judicial.
If only it had worked,….
If only PDJT had played his scripted role, and fired Mueller team, hopefully after falling into a “perjury trap” by agreeing to be interogated by them.
The media would have screamed “Friday nite massacre, JUST LIKE NUXON”,…”Lied to Special Prosecutor under oath, COMMITTING PERJURY, and is now Obstructing Justice, by firing Mueller and his team.”
The Impeachment would have moved to the Senate, and Graham would have gone to PDJT and informed him “there are enough R votes to convict, Mr. President,..for Party and Country you must resign!”
THAT was the script, but that darn “Trump” just didn’t follow the script!
I think you have it right. The default was ‘obstruction’, but President Trump was smart enough not to play along.
It would have been McCain with that “message” for Pres. Trump, but he had assumed room temperature by then, so, yes, the “job” would have fallen to his eunuch, Lindsey.
Interesting that in these specific instances the left hand not letting the right know what it was doing left an evidence trail.
The transition to the Special Counsel , next special counsels, IG , the FISC and the heads of FBI/DOJ left evidence hanging such as the infamous FBI lovers texting. I wonder if there is further material evidence hanging out there with this poor coordination of effort? If there was a point man or point office leading the coop they failed miserably in coordinating efforts.
It’s already been mentioned but even though info especially classified info is compartmentalized…..the heads of departments can access anything. The heads need to roll.
There is an article in the Epoch Times, and the last paragraph says the statutes of limitation have now expired – Question: can these evil people still be prosecuted?
ANALYSIS: The Biggest Revelation From the Durham Report
https://www.theepochtimes.com/analysis-the-biggest-revelation-from-the-durham-report_5283157.html?utm_source=open&utm_medium=search
On a final note, while we may never know why Horowitz determined that the FBI’s investigation was properly predicated when there was no basis for making that determination, the delay in disclosing how the FBI’s investigation really started means that most, if not all, statutes of limitation have now expired, meaning that it’s no longer possible to charge anyone within the FBI with any criminal offenses.
Is there a statute of limitations on treason?
Bro, go look up treason and then come back with your hat in hand.
“…In speaking with many witnesses, Durham was dealing with some potential crimes with expired statutes of limitation. If witnesses lie to Congress, they could also face charges under a new statute of limitations…”
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/05/18/the-immunity-option-how-congress-could-have-the-final-say-on-the-russian-collusion-scandal/
Another reason for the panel of perps to be called together and add Elias. As per Sundance, sunlight still the goal, not handcuffs at this time.
Boasberg is the Federal Judge in Washington DC who promised his daughter that he’d shutdown The Dakota Access Pipeline after environmentalists sued the Army Corp of Engineers to revoke the Pipeline’s permits after the permits were issued and the Pipeline was completed and operating.
The Pipeline also replaced the 700 mile railway owned by Warren Buffet which had been transporting 550 thousand barrels of oil each day. According to Boasberg the railway is more environmentally friendly than a pipeline that is already completed.
Sure, ask anyone in Palestine, Ohio. Those railroads are really safe. /s
Seems all the train derailments have already been forgotten.
factual accuracy is not the same as truthful and falsifiable accuracy.
these are the legal words games that “what is the meaning of ‘is'” corruptors have been using for a very long time.
in fact, if you read a random act or statute, you will find the use of language is intentionally general and vague and creates subjective variable to avoid THE SPIRIT AND ESSENSE OF THE MEANING..
this is why I have always supported originalism and contextualism as a legal practice to interpret law.
it seeks to FIX the law on the intent…and does so by understand the specific concerns and matters of mind …not necessarily what was being said and written verbatim…but of the core tension of the issue.
words have meaning…in a modern society of legal corruptors, our return to a restored constitutionally legally correct path must be based on principles so certain there are no other explanation for interpretation.
I am a man. I am a man, not because my birth certificate says so…because I have a XXXX and not a XXXXXX. period. And that this has ALWAYS BEEN THE CONTEXTUAL ORIGINAL MEANING OF WHAT A MAN IS>
simple…straight forward…unambiquous…certain…dependable..falsifiable.
like great journalism SHOULD BE.
as is found right here and is produced by SUNDANCE and enhanced by many great minds here at THE LAST REFUGE.
God Bless America
When do the arrests begin??
They’ll begin when all 8 major planets line up on the same side of the sun.
To see when that will occur, read this…
https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-resources/astronomy-questions-answers/will-there-ever-be-a-moment-when-all-eight-major-planets-are-in-a-straight-line-on-the-same-side-of-the-sun/
Very much never Clyde. Didn’t you get the memo?
So in the end what’s the point?
They did it, got away with it, and tells everyone to pound sand.
Three branches of government colluded to null our choice for president, then stole our election.
And somehow this wrong will be righted…billions in that pile of Trillions will be used to null our voices again.
Not three, but four branches of government, including the unconstitutional Administrative State, led by the ‘Intelligence’ Community.
To expose thIs as much and as wIdely as possible so that people understand the government lies and has lied to them about EVERYTHING. Maybe more people will then start to vote for change instead of believing the anti-Trump liars (the entire government and government-controlled MSM).
Exactly GB- Sunlight is THE critical success factor at this time.
Everyone already knew the gov lies. They don’t care. As long as they get left alone, no one cares.
Respectfully, No, unfortunately everyone DOESN’T know the government lies ALL the time. If they DID know, President Trump would be in the White House in the 3rd year of his 2nd term.
Everyone HERE on CTH knows, and many others know, provided they follow the news from honest reporters and truthful sources on websites like Gateway Pundit, Revolver, Breitbart, Just the News, Epoch Times, The Federalist, Daily Wire, Daily Caller, Western Journal, The Blaze, American Thinker, PJ Media, Newsman, Newscasters, etc.
But tens of millions still think they’re getting facts from ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, CNN, New York Times , Washington Post, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, Miami Herald, Atlanta Journal & Constitution, amd every other legacy newspaper and TV program.
Therefore, people like us who have been awakened to the treachery and deception by the U.S. government (and many state governments) have a responsibility to keep spreading truthful info and links the truth-telling websites and blog sites onto every social media and online news or blog site that we can access.
Perspective: Watergate, where the Nixon campaign sent five men to burglarize the Democratic National Committee headquarters in the Watergate Hotel, and then tried to cover it up, a crime that so pales in significance to what has been detailed here it is in a different universe, led to 69 officials being indicted and 48 going to jail, including the Attorney General (John Mitchell).
Sundance cut thru all the lies and obfuscation. I remember reading his articles in the moment during this nightmare we have lived through.
It is surreal that we are just expected to FORGETABOUTIT and move along…
Godspeed Sundance.
I hope Sundance and (attorney) ShipwreckedCrew are on better terms. I believe they compliment each other.
FTR, SWC is a former DOJ attorney and is now defending multiple J6 defendants. He could use moral and financial support.
Trust Sessions.
We need to break through these created silo walls by questioning the participants together.
THIS NEEDS TO GO TO WHOMEVER YOU, SUNDANCE, THINKS MIGHT BE THE ONE (or ONES) TO GET IT DONE!!!
Let them KNOW you have a BIG BUNCH of MAGA republican voters DEPENDING on them to get it done, And will remember come voting time!
This country would be in great shape if they enforced the law half as hard as they tried to evade it.
DOJ “special” Counsels do not investigate criminal offenses of the DOJ and the FBI.
DOJ “special” Counsels do not investigate criminal offenses of OTHER DOJ “SPECIAL” COUNSELS.
that is what makes them so “special”.
so, how to solve who watches the watchers?
where IS the solution…think big…be creative. Think boldly.
I am asking everyone here to be PRAYING ABOUT THIS and to come up with ideas.
I have my own. I have shared them …I do not pretend these are the ONLY solutions. They are simply my best effort (to date).
Here at The Last Refuge, we have assembled a very intelligent and HIGHLY motivated group of American People. Who are unafraid to consider and contemplate very awful subjects. But we do so, because NO ONE ELSE IS DOING THE JOB. It is, in my own opinion, A DUTY.
I am urging everyone that reads here to commit at least to prayer for solutions. Direct, moral, and ethically positioned solutions. We can argue about the legal matters all day long. What we need to do, in my opinion, is beging to start to understand OUR ROLE…OUR DUTY.
WE ARE THE WHITE HORSES COMING TO SAVE US.
Once you fix this in your mind and in your heart…pray on it. Fervently.
What can I do. Then begin. Then solve one problem…the the next problem and then the next and the others.
THEN YOU CAN COME BACK HOME.
I do not intend on spending the rest of my life as a spectator, pointing a figure at other people expecting them to do what needs to be done. Obviously, we are in this problem, precisely because these so called representatives are not doing what needs to be done.
WE CAN CHANGE THAT.
God Bless America
It never hurts to make a donation if you’re able.
A lawyer died, and a letter surfaced, a body was exhumed, murder had been committed, and silence ensued , and still remains. So were are the peoples representatives, and what are they doing for their pay checks?????
Wow! What a read Sundance! I did have to read it twice to absorb all of it. Most people ( not us here on CTH) have no clue how far our country has fallen in regards to “ justice for all”
I am not so sure about the metaphor of ‘Silos’, as the walls seem awfully permeable, almost fluid. They seem like bacterial cells, blobs which can fuse or split off at will, and trade chromosomes. But whatever, Sundance’s idea of lining up the Top Seven or so in a group inquisition is brilliant. I suppose it should be something like a Congressionally-mandated Select Committee, televised with counsels doing the interrogating.
Then at the end of it, when culpability has been established for all to see, the Judiciary should enable a Grand Jury to indict one and all for Seditious Conspiracy, a crime under Title 18 U.S.C. § 2384.
PS I came up with a call for a Select Committee to expose the anti-Trump cabal back in January, 2018, in a blog post, in which I relied heavily on Sundance’s analyses, and on Devin Nunes’s dogged investigations and revelations:
https://walkingcreekworld.wordpress.com/2018/01/08/a-select-committee-to-look-under-the-rocks/
Wishful thinking then, I guess; still?
That row of photos across the bottom, I’d bet all 7 of them hate each other. ‘Those bastards really screwed me over. What else can I do but cover my ass (and theirs)? Could be worse tho, I could be Trump! Hahahahahahaha. F that guy.’
I can’t help but think that all those huge egos will lead to someone breaking from the pack to act the hero and seek adoration. Matter of time I hope.
Keep the faith treepers, live your best life, smile.
The primary issue is there’s no accountability. No prosecution, no penalties for what obviously became a coup to overthrow President Trump. Who will prevent Democrats and their Deep State collaborators from repeating these crimes and rigging the 2024 election?
I’ve read SD’s post twice and have to reread it again. Its infuriating.
After reading the replies, I wonder: What happens next?
Emotions and anger aside, will anyone legally be held accountable or is it business as usual?
I like the idea of exposing the truth about our corrupt Intel community, our corrupt justice dept, the corrupt courts,our corrupt politicians etc..
I wonder if it’s too little,too late.
Today every facet of our government from the IRS to the dept of the interior from the post office to the CDC, every part of our government is under total unfettered control of overpaid, unelected, unionized democrat operatives that don’t need marching orders from like minded politicians to advance “the agenda”on their own.
These hidden cog’s in the system enjoy living inside the silos enthusiasticly created for them by the entire media complex, traditional or social, not to mention Academia and Hollywood.
There’s so much damning evidence against practically everyone in our government and it’s military leaders, not to mention our other once trusted institutions from our largest churches, charities,the medical community even our government watchdogs like the ACLU, the heritage foundation have long been corrupted.
How do you get 150 million people to admit THEY are guilty?
At least half of this country owes the rest of us an apology!
We can talk about reperations later!
i am a retired ses-level officer in foreign affairs. i knew in my gut that the trump-russia collusion narrative was a lie from 2016. i sincerely and greatly value cth’s expert work, but by all that is holy, this article needs serious and consistent, editing and rewriting. because, if a 32-year professional with t.s. clearances++ cannot follow this odious trail, how can john q. juror or jane q. voter do so?
on the other hand, fair trials and honest elections are fast being made irrelevant. “nuke ‘em from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure.”
SD, your assessment of the Wolfe arrest for release of FISA may be your finest hour.
And you’ve had many many such hours.
Job 5:12
He foils the plots of clever schemers, so that their hands achieve no success.
Father, we declare it so. Bring the clever schemers to justice!
Good luck getting any kind of congressional committee to question the participants of this together. There is not one faction of our 3(+) branch ‘checks and balances’ system that is not thoroughly broken and corrupt.
Thank you Sundance.
The letter is full of lies, one after another, building a house of cards. The FBI/DOJ do all they can to entrap innocent citizens into perjury, and then use this as prima facie evidence that the person is untrustworthy.
There is no way to fix this. The government is full of criminals who are being paid to lie every day and create “predicates” for surveillance out of thin air. This is the FISA court, people, the F means Foreign. It is to catch FOREIGN criminals not your political opponents, not AMERICANS. Obama poisoned our government permanently.
The criminals control the elections. They control the money supply. They forced Americans and now even young children to get injected with a bioweapon that is killing and maiming millions around the world. They are hoping to institute CBDCs to further enslave us.
I think it’s time for people living in Red States to ready themselves and their states for a national divorce from these lying traitors. Let’s create a country founded on our values, our morality, our belief in God, with a new constitution that will protect the hard working people and our life savings from rapacious global predators who want us either dead or living as slaves. Trump can be the President of our new democratic republic. Let’s leave the Marxist states of America to the Marxists.
I don’t see any way to compromise with people who are willing to use bioweapons on their own people using a fake pandemic as a ploy. They are already planning the next pandemic, and the next set of restrictions, and the requirements for digital ID and the next mRNA injections. The next bioweapons/”military countermeasures,” are called “self amplifying mRNA” meaning the chemical has the ability to amplify the amount of toxic spike protein throughout the body. This means it is completely unpredictable how much damage the spike protein will cause throughout the body.
Don’t comply.
Where is Rod Rosenstein, and what role did Jeff Sessions play in this sordid mess?
If everyone is corrupt, everyone is corrupt, not sure what you think we can do about that. One man can’t break through that.
Burn it all down!
You’re just a wealth of information today. Thanks for all you do.
In a logical and sane world where rule of law prevails all this analysis would make sense. I feel better use of our time is to organize locally for the storm that is coming. Spend the time you have securing food, shelter, communications (HAM and short wave), self defense for yourself, loved ones and like minded friends and neighbors.