One of the things about big lies is the sheer weight they create, and the effort needed to maintain them. Everyone of reasonably intelligent disposition knew the Russians did not blow up their own Nord Stream gas pipeline last year; they had no motive to do so. All indications were always that the U.S. government conducted the operation and then obfuscated blame toward Russia.
Investigative journalist Mr. Seymour Hersh now writes a comprehensive outline showcasing just how the Biden operation to destroy Nord Stream was conducted. [SEE HERE]
[Seymour Hersh] […] “In December of 2021, two months before the first Russian tanks rolled into Ukraine, Jake Sullivan convened a meeting of a newly formed task force—men and women from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the CIA, and the State and Treasury Departments—and asked for recommendations about how to respond to Putin’s impending invasion.
It would be the first of a series of top-secret meetings, in a secure room on a top floor of the Old Executive Office Building, adjacent to the White House, that was also the home of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB). There was the usual back and forth chatter that eventually led to a crucial preliminary question: Would the recommendation forwarded by the group to the President be reversible—such as another layer of sanctions and currency restrictions—or irreversible—that is, kinetic actions, which could not be undone?
What became clear to participants, according to the source with direct knowledge of the process, is that Sullivan intended for the group to come up with a plan for the destruction of the two Nord Stream pipelines—and that he was delivering on the desires of the President.” (read more)
As the article notes, initially in the planning stage, Joe Biden and his administration were all in for the operation, assuming of course the resulting action -essentially a declaration of war- came with plausible deniability.
What is unclear, despite all the details revealed, is whether in the final decision-making Joe Biden actually had anything to do with it; or whether the dark handlers running his covert administration from the Intel and State Dept., felt they had enough prior approval to just carry out the order without him.
As a reminder, in late September 2022, Joe Biden denied the U.S. involvement…. He lied.
(Via CBS) – […] President Biden called the damage to the Nord Stream natural gas pipelines “a deliberate act of sabotage,” rebuking Russia’s claim that the West was responsible for the explosions. The president said Friday that divers would eventually be sent to the pipelines, which were designed to bring gas from Russia to Europe, to determine what happened.
“It was a deliberate act of sabotage and the Russians are pumping out disinformation and lies,” Biden said.
“At the appropriate moment, when things calm down, we’re going to be sending divers down to find out exactly what happened. We don’t know that yet exactly,” he added. (read more)
For the U.S. to deliberately attack the Nord Stream gas pipeline, that is a direct act of war against a sovereign country, Russia.
The coverup of this story is going to make the coverup of all prior Obama/Biden stories pale in comparison.
Let the games begin. Die, Biden admin.
Sure.
As long as the rest of the world doesn’t have to die with him.
What evil clowns these are, Godless and dark.
He already admitted that would happen should Russia invade.
Russia invaded and a section of the pipeline was destroyed.
the beauty with dementia is that most patients will blurt things they hear from the past or recent present.
He has been giving us tips all along.
Including if you want to take down the govt you need F15s. Clearly this item was discussed.
When he is off script he is most important in finding out nuggets of his presence at meetings with the shadow govt people.
An important part of this long story:
Several of those involved in planning the pipeline mission were dismayed by what they viewed as indirect references to the attack. […]
Biden’s and Nuland’s indiscretion, if that is what it was, might have frustrated some of the planners. But it also created an opportunity. According to the source, some of the senior officials of the CIA determined that blowing up the pipeline “no longer could be considered a covert option because the President just announced that we knew how to do it.”
The plan to blow up Nord Stream 1 and 2 was suddenly downgraded from a covert operation requiring that Congress be informed to one that was deemed as a highly classified intelligence operation with U.S. military support. Under the law, the source explained, “There was no longer a legal requirement to report the operation to Congress. All they had to do now is just do it—but it still had to be secret. The Russians have superlative surveillance of the Baltic Sea.”
..we know what he said about (s)election…….in the summer 2020….
Not that I don’t think his sources are most likely legitimate and this story correct, I will NEVER trust anything Hersh has to say.
Some in this country will always have something petty to cry about.
I have to agree , do not trust him by a Long shot , source(s) a little too pat and convenient in what they are feeding him – Only thing that is clear is that Russians did not blow up their OWN pipeline , that is obvious BS., like the 3 balloon tale. If Joe’s handlers “read him’ to a plan, it was only to make him the fall guy …. IMHO
Several commenters at ZeroHedge are saying the same. Hersh was fed information conveniently published after the SOTU speech, and now the Deep State is ramping up efforts to get rid of POTATUS.
If that idea is legit, it is an absolutely insane way for them to do it.
POTATUS – LMFAO
Well played.
This story is getting a lot of play in the “alt/media” including our most trusted source- Sundance. So I tend to think Hersh’s story is accurate.
Obviously the senile degenerate in the White House has no idea what happened let alone enough brain cells to even come up with a plan in the first place.
Most likely this is part of the DemonRat push to get rid of Biden ASAP and to force him not to run again.
With these scumbags, timing is everything.
Agree … Biden does not know the difference between a lie and a truth … he is a braindead Prop who reads words his Soros handlers put on his teleprompter.
Biden is not in charge. Removing him will make ZERO difference. It’s the people who control the teleprompter.
It will be a damn good start. But I’m of the thought that when dealing with a snake(NWO) you sever its head
But would they take down Blinken, Sullivan and Nuland too?
They would not be unscathed in this.
Which if this was a way to get rid of those 3 and Biden…
I’m all for it!
I thought Pres. Biden, Jake Sullivan, Victoria Nuland, the CIA, and the Navy were environmentalists. Yet they conspired with others (before they provoked Russia into war) by blowing up the Nordstream pipelines off the coast of Denmark. The explosions released the largest release of toxic methane gas. Yikes!
Setting up coup for open dictatorship in the US?
They are almost there with the treason of Gen Milley and the overthrow of President Trump.
Why??
Two officials STATED PUBLICLY that we (the U.S.) would take out the pipeine:
FTA:
“What came next was stunning. On February 7, less than three weeks before the seemingly inevitable Russian invasion of Ukraine, Biden met in his White House office with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who, after some wobbling, was now firmly on the American team. At the press briefing that followed, Biden defiantly said, “If Russia invades . . . there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Twenty days earlier, Undersecretary Nuland had delivered essentially the same message at a State Department briefing, with little press coverage. “I want to be very clear to you today,” she said in response to a question. “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.”
You cannot argue these facts – Biden and Nuland are both on video saying this. The rest (how the sabotage was planned and carried out) is just details. But it also exposes several other nations’ significant cooperation with the sabotage plan against Russia. Let’s see which nations object to the details in the story.
I have no doubt Roosia will get it’s revenge, I ust hope they don’t take it out on we the people, but directly on the perps.
By saying what they said they left themselves open to plausible accusations.
Got that 3 letter smell to him. “Broke” the story of the my Lai village in Vietnam. Something about that always seemed contrived to me. Just an impression.
It was also a direct act of sabotage against German interests.
It is Germany that has suffered most from this act.
Some would day it was a war crime. I will gladly pass out blindfolds made of lace
FJB AND F THEM ALL
“For the U.S. to deliberately attack the Nord Stream gas pipeline, that is a direct act of war against a sovereign country, Russia.” and Germany.
I read article and it doesn’t appear Germany was complicit in the operations. Were they even told? Is the US now launching infrastructure sabotage on allies? Don’t the jerry’s care?
Not so sure about that.
“What came next was stunning. On February 7, less than three weeks before the seemingly inevitable Russian invasion of Ukraine, Biden met in his White House office with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who, after some wobbling, was now firmly on the American team. At the press briefing that followed, Biden defiantly said, “If Russia invades . . . there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.””
To me, this is just malicious vandalism. Scheming malevolent leftist overlords obviously want to create energy scarcity, misery and suffering for people all around the world…as well as devastating levels of inflation.
Well, malicious vandalism plus an act of war.
yep
1530: Without sovereign nation states and clearly defined national borders, the term “act of war” is now obsolete. The new term is “Whoopsie! My bad.”
Macron was complaining we are selling them gas at 4X higher. After the sanctions and the pipeline blowing up.
I can’t unsee what I have seen. Evil, inept, and godless are the people making these decisions.
With the likes of the rhino GOPes right behind, in lockstep!
Prove me wrong.
Not possible to prove you wrong, because you’re right.
In fact, IMHO the RINOs have been at the forefront of the war drum beating, because it is their big defense corporate benefactors who profit from the need to supply war munitions.
So I guess the question is, what do we have that Russian special forces can destroy?????
Tell them to look in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. They might find something there.
I shouldn’t upvote this. I will probably be put on a terrorist watch list simply for admiring your humor. Hey Deep State Lurkers: I’m just kidding. I just like the joke.
The Deep State drones making such lists are themselves on a much more consequential list. Before the Almighty.
Never fear truth. Truth is where God dwells.
Yes. Me too. I was viewing it from a Biblical perspective. They can take it up with God. I quoted Him.
Yes, reaping what one’s sown seems appropriate – for all involved. I didn’t support blowing up that pipeline. Roosia is long-suffering. Out riding in an antique Mustang with the top down not a good idea.
With China, an EMP
So nice of us to set the bar that it’s perfectly OK to attack and destroy a nations infrastructure.
A lot.
Saw recent Douglas MacGregor interview on YouTube last night.
Russia and China have intelligence agencies (spying)………
In Mexico.
The problem with the imposter resident of the white house, is that he is a pathetic pawn used by the puppet masters. There are more criminals, besides the white house occupant.
The WH occupant has a lifetime of lying, accepting bribes, groping little girls, doing God-knows-what to his own family members, and selling this country out. I do not care if they frame him for a crime. Karma is Karma and he has a ton of bad karma headed his way. As long as he gets severely punished for something very bad then I am good with that no matter if he is the mastermind or he is the stooge.
First wife and daughter died prematurely. Oldest son died prematurely. Youngest son-well, you and everyone on the planet knows about him. Daughter in law from dead son sleeping with other son. God only knows what son did to granddaughter. Reviled by his countrymen. Makes a fool of himself in public. He has betrayed his religion and is widely condemned by co-religionist believers. He already has been/is being punished. It will only be total corruption or Presidential pardon that keeps the law at bay for his and his son’s many crimes. But it sure doesn’t feel like justice yet.
“All indications were always that the U.S. government conducted the operation and then obfuscated blame toward Russia.”
A good indication of that was from all the usual suspects in the media helping to push the lie.
What’s also interesting about this reporting is it makes clear this was being planned long before Russia ever went into Ukraine.
That’s why it is bad that congress passed legislation in 2013 that allowed for the US govt. to use propaganda through US media to the US public. It was the Smith-Munda Act changed and turned against us and snuck into that year’s NDAA.
We should ask Ted Cruz what he knows about it all.
He was really unhappy about the pipeline being built. Then Nuland recent comments to him at recent hearing about being glad the pipeline was laying on the ocean floor.
Yes, and anyone with a brain today knew it wasn’t Roosia and was fairly certain it was FJB. They actually think they are fooling people. This story seems like yesterday’s news, except it has more definitive details. But the storyline? We already knew it along with the rest of the world. They aren’t fooling anyone anymore. Just remember…eyeball lurkers…Roosia makes it to the end of the Bible. USA doesn’t.
What is truly insane about all of this, President Trump from day one pointed out how dumb Germany was as a NATO country paying Russia for gas. That the Biden admin would come in behind, after mocking PDJT about that stance, and blow up the pipeline to force Germany off Russian gas is again, insane.
really good point. another indirect confirmation of Trump’s policy stances.
First things first, to stop the fighting in Ukraine there needs to be a cease-fire agreement immediately. As for offering up terms and conditions I’m willing to “sacrifice” the entire Biden administration and all those with ties to it. Let the Russians do with them as they wish. Then lets all get back to peace and prosperity. Details about who controls what in Ukraine can be worked out later. First order of business is to stop the madness.
Do you think we could get them to take all the 3 letter agencies I would be.willimg to sweeten the deal and toss in Hawaii.
Easy there son. Don’t give away all the farm just yet. The three letter agencies are part of the second, or hopefully not needed third round of negotiations. We need a little bluff here, so pretend we need those agencies in the beginning, then dump them.
Bet they’d do it if they got Alaska back.
After Merkle and Hollande comments about the 2014 Minsk agreement and that they only did the agreement to be able to build up Ukraine Army,etc…….
Russia understandably does not trust anyone in the West. Cease fire would only be looked at as a way to resupply the Ukraine troops.
If governments would quit funding the proxy war- it would be over in a no time.
Zelensky is too strung out and appears to be incapable of rational thought.
Ukraine is now having 16 year olds register for the draft. The age is now 16-60. Average age of troops is 50.
And as long as we keep funding it more people will die.
Registered? Or getting yanked off the streets? One of the MoA posters linked a video earlier this week that seemed like the lader.
True. I don’t know if any of the 16 year olds have made it to the front yet.
There will probably be pictures and stories next week of the 16 year olds killed. I think they just started the 16 year olds registration/conscription last week.
They are probably still getting them suited up and showing them which end of the rifle to point and where the trigger is.
Sheer madness!
And so very heartbreaking.
Yes, a cease fire is a way to re-supply the troops, on both sides. However, it does put an end to the loss of life, and it also interrupts the momentum of the war. Negotiations may take years, and there may continue to be artillery pointed from both sides, but the bloodshed stops.
Yes, Zelensky is too strung out. When he agreed to be a puppet for the money masters I don’t think he foresaw this in the job requirements. However, as long as he can cash in on the money, he will continue to happily play along.
The average age across the globe is rising. At some point we’re all getting too old to be doing this shit.
Zelensky was in England today meeting with King Charles and Rishi Sunak.
Then he went to see Macron in France.
He is asking for jets.
I have been saying for quite awhile…..Mission Creep.
“For the U.S. to deliberately attack the Nord Stream gas pipeline, that is a direct act of war against a sovereign country, Russia.”
No more so than for the Japanese to deliberately attack Pearl Harbor was a direct act of war against a sovereign country, America.
BTW, this pales into insignificance a Chinese balloon.
That “direct attack “ by Japan was because we had attacked Japan first with crippling sanctions. FDR knew he would push Japan to its limits. And he did! What are sanctions but “soft war?”
“What is unclear, despite all the details revealed, is whether in the final decision-making Joe Biden actually had anything to do with it; or whether the dark handlers running his covert administration from the Intel and State Dept., felt they had enough prior approval to just carry out the order without him.”
When you think about it, it is truly scary if this is the case because these evil vermin have then acted as if there will be no consequences. The specific actors might not face any, but certainly innocent citizens will.
I also am now wondering if several of these food processing fires, chicken farm fires, electrical grid attacks, etc., are from retaliatory strikes.
Not that our FBI would ever find out.
It would still serve their purposes to instigate it.
Retaliatory attacks just spread the misery around quicker. Escalations to kill off the useless eaters around the world is something the WEF types would want with their depopulation goals.
“………..whether in the final decision-making Joe Biden actually had anything to do with it;”
Seriously?? This is a guy who doesn’t have anything to do with what pair of socks he’s wearing.
This blatant act of aggression could only be carried out by those who will never be held accountable or personally responsible for their actions. Therein lies the greatest danger to the rest of us.
They don’t care, especially they don’t care about us. They all have bunkers to hide in filled with food and supplies for years.
More likely, is that the incidents you highlight are (at least some of them..) the work of those of the WEFian persuasion, of which there is no short supply in the West. Then perhaps, there are those Fine Boyz Incognito and their nudged useful idiots..
We’ll Prime Minister Lettuce had something to do with it.
The attacks against food processing facilities began long before the Nordstream sabotage.
Gateway Pundit published a list of damaged facilities this past June. The food facility attacks apparently began early 2021 and have continued steadily since then. Nordstream II was blown up in November of last year.
Ref. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/updated-list-us-based-food-manufacturing-plants-destroyed-biden-administration/
Blowing up Keystone and blowing up NordStream. Resident Biden is the ultimate cut-out. The strings that are attached to his lips have brought $Billions into the dirty hands of the backroom boys.
Too bad the risks taken are born by the U.S. nation and not by the Profiteers and Warmongers in Dunghill city on the Potomac.
Seymour Hersh’s article needs to be shared everywhere. If MSM won’t cover it, alternative media will.
Any government that would violate its own countries laws would have no trouble violating international law.
Thank You offcours this fact is allways on the forefront of my mind . be well stay strong
R.D.
Seymour Hersh
A casus beli created by the Uniparty.
This is a Slav vs. Slav conflict, that the US should have no involvement in, other than to supply defensive weapons, which PDJT did after Obumbles gave them blankets and bandaids.
Ukraine is the biggest money laundering operation involving the Dems in the history of our country, and given what they do with union money, that is something.
The Uniparty stuck their foot in it with a nuclear adversary where no direct US interest is involved.
Tough figuring who has the more corrupt government, the US or Ukraine.
Hardrock, I’d say the U.S. leads the pack with corruption, intimidations, clandestine murders and instilling unrest in the world.
The District of Corruption is rife with a roiling mass of maggots…who call themselves the elected leaders of this nation.
Maggots die when exposed to sunlight.
The fake war needs to be extended and/or escalated as long as and when needed to usher in the new world order age of the Green New Deal. Therefore, Russia must pretend to not defeat Ukraine too fast.
Dont just blame Biden, hes just as guilty as Zelensky, Putin, and all the other globalist actors in this symbiotic relationship which will diminish the USA’s dominance in the world.
You think Putin is not aware that everything the West is doing is beneficial to himself and his allies? Why would he not play along?
Putin is not a globalist. He’s a nationalist, just like Trump.
OK….but you didnt understand what I wrote. The suicide of the West does not apply to Russia, China, and BRICS but they see whats happening.
If Brandons handlers were to approach Putin with an offer that would diminish the USAs standing (as is the case with all the Western countries push to reduce energy) and strengthen Russias (which is clearly happening as there energy becomes more valuable and the petro dollar dies), based on that logic alone, Putin would gleefully play along.
get it?
And that is why both are despised by the Globalists.
I dont pretend to be a Putin expert like you but I do know Brandon like the back of my hand…
If Putin is so despised why is Russia (China/BRICS) getting stronger and stronger with every move the globalists make? You think the globalists are simply making strategic mistakes?
Both sides are getting exactly what they want. Being despised never felt so good.
The longer the hoax continues, the better for all involved as the great national transfer of wealth known as BBB continues.
The Swamp, Globalists and WEF hate them.
They stand/stood in their way of establishing their 2030 agenda, NWO and unipolar dreams.
I am not an expert….just someone who is following what is happening in Ukraine and Russia very closely.
While I always thought the Biden regime did blow up the pipeline, before believing Hersh, I’d like to see some proof other than his reporting. I’m done believing anything that comes out of the leftwing reporting years ago without verifiable proof.
I’ll lend you my goggles and fins so you can see for yourself!
Thanks so much Cali Joe. I’ll wait for the proof to come to dry land.
So who is spilling the beanz?
“Sources” in the “intelligence community” and the Pentagon.
It’s not an act of sabotage, it’s an act of war.
SoldiersMom: Underwater diplomacy.
“For the U.S. to deliberately attack the Nord Stream gas pipeline, that is a direct act of war against a sovereign country, Russia.”
It is also an attack every single European nation which relied on Russian LNG, particularly on Germany. While the German government might be ok with that, I imagine Germans who manage to bypass the censors will be angry with the US. They should be.
Furthermore, the burden of replacing Russian LNG has fallen on the US, another reason energy prices are so high here. So it was also an attack on US LNG customers, who are now paying higher prices because exports to Europe have reduced supplies.
Wonder what it will be like to be a us serviceman in a bar?
And Macron has voiced his displeasure at having to buy US gas at 4X what they were paying.
Sounds like very convenient timing, to suppress this from getting out quickly.
FJB should be drawn and quartered! We The People did not authorize such action to be taken in Our Name!
Holy Moly this is how World War Three will start and Biden and all those 81 million traitors who voted for him should pay the price of tyranny.
81 million my ass
Hurry hurry….sombody wind up Mr.Tick Tock . This is the end for Obama, Biden, and hell let’s include Clinton while we’re at it..yep we gots em now!
and blinky,nuland,kagan,sullivan….
The attack on the pipelines was also an attack on Germany…
On one hand they blow up the pipeline to hurt Russia and then on the other hand, they do all in their power to ruin our domestic oil production, energy independence and drive up the price per barrel of oil, which in turn funds Russia’s war effort.
Definite act of war! Just outrageous and beyond despicable.
The man most to blame for the Ukraine War, and over 100,000 Ukrainian troops killed, just so far, is John McCain. In second place, Lindsey Graham. They were setting the stage for all this about a decade ago.
Victoria Nuland and Jeffrey Pyatt…..
There were lots of US players in the 2014 Maidan.
And according to the leaked call of Nuland during that time we know how she feels about Germany and the EU…..
Her words…F–k the EU.
And then her most recent comments to Ted Cruz during the hearing about being happy the pipeline was laying on the bottom of the ocean floor……
She would be first on my list.
That a$$hat is going to get us killed. I formally protest. Can’t we just throw ’em outta here?
…the arrogant miss calculate, brush that off as collateral damage in their selfish pursuits…
( see examples
jab$ injuries…
illegal border crossers ( fentynol, crimes ) …
keystone pipeline ( higher fuel prices / inflation )…
etc. )
Then point out their accomplishment
( balloon went down )
( not mention a week late, nor the preplanning / tacit approval…) )
Imho
It is also a direct act of war against Germany. It is Germany who has had to import the most LNG from the US at a premium price that has significantly impacted their economy and improved our GDP. It has affected German industries and manufacturing and we were calculating that these would move operations to the United States to improve our GDP further because energy costs in the US would be lower.
It is also an act of war directly against Russia. I am thankful that Russia is led by someone who is cool-headed and has not retaliated YET for that. Russia has borne all the sanctions the west has put on them and has kept to their original plan.
Thank you, God, for Vladimir Putin. I am completely disgusted with the United States government under Biden…..for this and many other reasons.
I am disgusted with the US government, period.
Biden only factors into the equation in one way. His lack of control and isolation from the decision-making process are so transparent they expose how little power the current Presidency has. The people actually running the country are the members of the permanent bureaucracy who cycle back and forth between public and private every few years.
Who is President does not really matter much under such a system, because the system decides who is President. And if a Trump somehow manages to become President, the system will fight as hard as possible to prevent that person from working against its interests. That is not a knock against Trump himself, who managed to accomplish more than anyone else against immeasurable odds. But it is reality.
The scale and scope of illegal and immoral acts may be slightly higher under Biden, but they are part of a long-standing continuum. We are merely seeing the continuum more clearly because there is nothing between Biden’s ears to bock our view.
I absolutely agree with the whole of your comment Keeler, but is there room to figure he fits into this equation in another way in that he was VP before and during the Maiden Coup, giving him a wedge to launder our money and his son? (what’s a crack addict and a flailing old politician to do?).
Likewise, disgusted.
We already knew the US was involved somehow.
What do they not want us talking about? Before balloon gate we were talking about hunters laptop being real…
Well, who’d thunk it: The liars are lying again!
Their father is the “father of lies” and the truth is not in him (nor in his children).
The whole world had worked out whodunnit, why, and had a pretty good start on how, so this wasn’t really unexpected. Denials have already been issued, but not plausible ones.
Keep in mind that Hersh’s anonymous sources in the Pentagon and in the “intelligence community” are not necessarily on our side.
They may be trying to salvage The Manchurian Marionette by getting the story out now and then down The Memory Hole and/or preventing worse, even stupider ideas from taking place.
Joe is a coward
Not that I think the cabal wouldn’t do it, but Hersh is a highly unreliable source.
Curious about Seymour Hersh on this…his dubious NYT stories of the Vietnam War specifically Lt. Calley and the My lai Massacre and others over time with a distinct leftist bent.
However…if true about Nord Stream…I’ll differ in that this is part of the leftist agenda as payback to their lefty green donors…especially after last night…destroy anything related to the oil and gas industry…no matter what the repercussions are. “They” are committed to their cause and will do anything possible regardless of laws, economic, diplomatic, act of war etc.
They don’t care what happens as long as “they” fulfill the leftist agenda.
His stories on the Vietnam war were pretty much spot on.
Really, all those operatives behind the scenes – advisors, think tank personnel, appointed lackeys, media enablers, WEF, big money elite etc. need to be put on trial at the very least.
Like the insane Japanese leaders were acting before the release of atomic bomb, our leaders have the same negative possession of their minds. They are destroying this country and are burying us and the world. We must fight like hell.
I’m thinking that this is related to the MH17 investigation just announcing that it was likely Putin that provided the SAM that shot down the airliner.
Curiously coincident timing.
It was Ukraine!
Well…I seem to remember Biden threatening to blow up the NORAD Stream. I believe they all were in lock-step cahoots.
Fascists act out, because they must.
It was insane for Hitler to invade the Soviet Union.
He did it.
China has pivoted from Marxism to fascism.
Economically, they are now better off.
As fascists, they will soon stumble into war.
The balloon seems comical, but they are craving a war with somebody.
Blowing up Nordstream is our new fascist rulers at work.
Fascism, from its inception in the 19th century, has been a belligerent ideology.
Why on earth does America want to go to war over the Ukraine? Because fascists crave war with somebody, anybody.
Fascism is a return to feudalism, and Europe existed in a state of war or pending war for many centuries under feudal kings and queens. America, even more than democracy or economic growth, supplied an escape from the feudal mindset of belligerence. As American democracy fades, the war mindset of the the fascist/feudalist ascends.
It’s only legal to sabotage utilities if you are the US government.
Agree.
Honestly, I’m embarrassed to be a citizen of the country that is being ruled by these monsters.
I am not embarrassed to be an American, I am proud!
But I’m not sure this has been America for decades.
I’m skeptical. This story isn’t a lead that’s been/being investigated, it’s the entire story, soup to nuts. Far too pat for my liking.
260 feet is too much for your average recreational scuba diver, but not for commercial divers. I have a hard time believing the planners would involve the Navy Diving and Salvage Center in something like this, when they could find commercial divers from anywhere to place the charges with minimal instruction and then “disappear” them. The Norwegian plane dropping a special sonobuoy to trigger the charges is pretty fantastic too.
My level of confidence in this story is a weak maybe. Possible, but not plausible. I could believe an operation like this if the CIA alone did it, but there are way too many moving parts and too many people in the know, in our government and in other countries.
Huh?
Just spent the past hour reading this article to my other half who is post surgery drugged up. Our government is out of control and does not give two doo-doos about anything but destroying Russia, dividing Russia, controlling resources, and getting the rest of us blown up. We are controlled by the OUN.
Let us not forget Ted Cruz, in one of his first podcasts, said everyone was in Ukraine for the Maidan. Cruz included. These people are dangerous and are in the open.
Side note/question. Call it gallows humor if you like since the entire world has it head in a noose right now:
If person A doesn’t give a doo-doo
and
Person B doesn’t give two doo-doos
Which one cares less than the other one?
This is SD (Sicherheitsdienst) grade stuff.
In yet another example of historical rhythm, the SD false flag campaign directed at Poland was codenamed Operation Konserve.
Thanks Mopy. I learned something today.