Lots of people are talking about U.S. FBI Director Christopher Wray discussing the agencies “partnership with the private sector” as it relates to modern FBI activity. However, I’m just that random oddball in the crowd who just wants to point out something, well, kind of a big picture issue.
I notice in all of the discussions surrounding the FBI activity, and there are a lot of discussions – including admissions and outlines from the FBI itself, there appears to be an element of the subject matter being overlooked. Here’s a segment from Wray at the World Economic Forum {Direct Rumble Link} as a precursor to what few are noticing. WATCH:
The FBI is a criminal investigative agency. Meaning, a crime is committed, and the FBI mission is to investigate it, solve it, and bring the information to the justice department for pursuit. At least that was the customary role of the FBI as it was/is commonly discussed.
However, please note that in Director Wray’s remarks, every element of the FBI mission is framed around “prevention” of criminal activity, or what we would call pre-crimes.
Stop for a moment and rewatch it if needed, you’ll see what I am talking about.
Um, please excuse my interruption.
While it might seem like an unusual thing to notice, this is not a small issue.
In the era following the 9-11 attacks, there was public outcry around the issue of “how” and “why” did law enforcement, specifically the FBI, not PREVENT the attack. In just about every conversation following the attack every framework was about how to prevent an attack.
The 9-11 commission itself was focused on learning lessons from the attack; thereby the direct and implicit message was to construct systems to prevent another attack from happening. Essentially to move the FBI from a reactive footing in the aftermath of a crime, to a proactive footing to prevent crime.
Now, what I am asking readers to do is to realize when the fundamental mission of an investigative agency changes from investigating the aftermath of criminal activity, to the prevention of criminal activity, we as a society open ourselves up to having severe restrictions on our liberty. After all, just about everything that we now see as an infringement on freedom, is some form of a proactive action by government.
Change the mission from the investigation of crime to the prevention of crime, and the entire apparatus of the mission fundamentally changes.
Criminals are no longer the target when you are preventing crimes. Criminals are only targets in the aftermath of crime. When you are preventing crime, everyone that could commit a crime is the new mission target. Everyone, regardless of their connection to – or association with – criminal activity, is now a potential criminal. Potential criminals must be monitored.
Potential criminals are now the target. You are a potential criminal. As a result of your potential ability, you are a target for pre-crime investigation. Within the process of pre-crime investigation, your archaic views of freedom and liberty are dispatched.
The office of the Director of National Intelligence was created to turn the terrorist radar internally. Every American is now a potential “domestic terrorist.” Thus, you see FBI Director Christopher Wray sitting on a stage and openly admitting the FBI partnerships with the private sector are key to the mission; a mission of pre-crime targeting.
Can you see how this rolls along?…
As soon as the FBI changes from investigating the aftermath of a crime committed to intercepting the potential criminal conduct, things get very opaque, sketchy and weird. When the FBI is investigating crimes, you have rights. When the FBI is preventing crimes, those rights are impediments.
Our entire legal system is structured around criminal accountability. An event takes place, and we hold the criminal accountable. Judges, lawyers, courts, systems, processes, protections, rights of the accused, fourth amendment, fifth amendment, etc. etc. Hundreds of years of rules and regulations within a criminal justice system.
We do not have a “pre-crime” justice system.
The current FBI mission is pre-crime enforcement.
Think about the ramifications; it shouldn’t be hard, because we are living them.
I will sit down now….
The thought police would get him just the same. He had committed would have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever.”
~Orwell~
“Criminals are no longer the target when you are preventing crimes. Criminals are only targets in the aftermath of crime. When you are preventing crime, everyone that could commit a crime is the new mission target. Everyone, regardless of their connection to – or association with – criminal activity, is now a potential criminal. Potential criminals must be monitored.” – Sundance
So the real reason We The People, President Trump, his supporters, his associates, MAGA supporters, America Firsters, Republicans, conservatives and Christians are all being surveilled, spied upon or monitored is because the FBI believes we have the “potential” to act like the J6 “insurrectionists” but BLM/Antifa don’t???!!! Good grief this is mind numbingly stupid/shocking!!!
Yet the FBI fails time after time to prevent a foreign terrorist here on US soil and on the FBI “Watch List” from killing Americans why is that? How does that fit with Wray’s WEF bullsh*t???
No need for a FISA warrant. Because I think you have the potential to commit a crime. So we will set aside your privacy and the laws and rights guaranteed under the Constitution.
Consult the Pre-Cogs
Exactly what came to mind.
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I think the answer to your last question Bubby is that, for the most part, the FBI quickly transitioned from “preventing crimes” by viewing ALL people as potential criminals, to viewing their ideological opponents as the only criminals…
The criminal mass murderers are on the FBI “radar” … they just don’t stop them.
Supreme Court Leaker Not Found!!!!
Since we’re discussing federal law enforcement… investigators asked 95 staff who work at the Supreme Court if they leaked the abortion decision to the news media and ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES said NO!
Okay, I guess that closes the case!
Ace of Spades have nearly pinpointed the leaker:
https://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=402809
Question to anyone:
Can Court employees be compelled to take polygraph tests?
Presume they have this capability in the intelligence services to identify double agents and such
How about Court employees?
Is it wrong to proactively think that the FBI is a criminal organization? In the interest of preventing FBI crime, everyone in the FBI that could commit a crime is a mission target. Perhaps the American mission should be FBI pre-crime enforcement.
When my ‘archaic views of freedom and liberty are dispatched’, I dispatch the FBI’s modern lawless views.
I will sit down now….
If it walks like a duck (check) and quacks like a duck (check)…and attends a satanic, totalitarian forum (check)…
How about the pre-crime of trying to start World War III.
Will the FBI monitor and investigate those trying to do that?
What is that asshole even doing at the WEF?
My sentiment exactly! The majority of big tech companies are based out of California and Texas.
He’s just avoiding FOIA.
Exactly! What is this asshole doing in Davos at the WEF? You just asked the billion dollar question!
Auditioning
That’s where his types go.
See Kemp.
The fib can’t/don’t operate on the honor system so they expect no one else can/will either..
Those people sure are impressed with themselves.
The Dunning-Kruger effect. 100 percent accurate!
Trouble is they are the loose nut holding the wheel.
I listened to the clip twice. Wray is discussing foreign cyber threats and cites an example of disrupting an inactive Russian bot network to prevent it being used. We know the FBI is doing the same thing domestically against the political enemies of the regime, as the Twitter files reveal.
I didn’t hear anything about pre-crime in the context of domestic law enforcement. Did I miss something?
That’s one giant leap for international cyber-crime prevention…
leaving one small step to domestic thought-crime punishment.
Exactly. It’s a leap.
disrupting an inactive Russian bot network to prevent it being used.
Answered your own question. The US domestic investigative agency acted against a foreign, inactive bot network that might be used ….
There was no crime being committed by the bot network, but the FBI took action.
Then there is the part where the US and Russia are not in a declared war with each other.
I hardly think taking action against a potential (likely) foreign cyber threat is the same thing as taking action against US citizens through domestic law enforcement.
“We know the FBI is doing the same thing domestically against the political enemies of the regime, as the Twitter files reveal.
I didn’t hear anything about pre-crime in the context of domestic law enforcement.”
What you missed was the part that SD has mentioned often: Obama / Holder subverted the intent of the Patriot Act to redefine terrorism to include potential domestic terrorism, and thus opened the door for what we now have which is political enemies being looked at as potential domestic terrorists.
Obama / Holder didn’t subvert the Patriot Act: They simply made it into what it was inevitably going to become. Under Bush there was at least a pretense that it was only to be used against foreign terror threats, but that pretense was dropped under Obama. In fact, they gleefully deployed it against their domestic political enemies. But the Patriot Act is what it is.
President Trump’s first act when he returns to the White House: End the State of Emergency declared after 9/11, and end the COVID emergency. Both are being used to abuse the powers of the state.
What do you call the raid on Maralago, targeting of school board parents, talking in chat rooms with the likes of the Buffalo NY shooter, et al. They knew pre-crime in the instance of the shootings that have taken place, and they did nothing. They raided Trump’s personal home, looking for a crime.
Exercising your 1st Amendment is not a crime, because you exercise your 1st Amendment does not make you a would-be terrorist…but, yet, here we are.
Neither does exercising your 2nd Amendment right. And that may turn out to be far more important.
You are willing to give them the benefit of all the doubts (considering the evidence of the last twenty-plus years not useful…)…
Wray probably isn’t going to say, “The FBI is going to be empowered with policies and procedures designed to punish United States citizens for what they are thinking, who they talk to, and how they spend their time.”
Over the many years here, Sundance has repeatedly and simply played out the continuum: in other words, if they behave consistently with their history of behavior, and we extend the line(s) of (1) what they have already done and (2) what they would like to do, where will that take us?
Like Confucius say, funny how we always end up where we’ve been going for a long time.
Back in the late 90’s some not-so-bright local law enforcement in the south held a type of LEO Halloween Party. I think some dressed up in black face and somebody made a stupid sign with the words “Good Ole Boys Club”. Video or pictures were leaked to the media as if it was a real club of backwoods KKK members. Holding such a party was clearly stupid because alcohol often makes things only seem temporarily funny.
Anyway, I worked in a neighboring state, never heard of the Good Ole Boys Club, never attended a Good Ole Boys party, didn’t know anyone who did and wasn’t familiar with any of the neighboring state LEO except my own agency.
Following the media circus, everyone in my office had to sign an affidavit stating whether we had ever attended a “Good Ole Boys Club Party”, were or were not a current member of the Good Ole Boys Club or had ever been a member of the Good Ole Boys Club. It would have been laughable, but DOJ and my agency was serious.
Now we have the director of the FBI attending a conference held by an unelected world body whose mission is to overthrow our country and he’s openly bosting to them how the FBI is knowingly violating the constitution they have all been sworn to uphold? This is treason.
Sundance, I am the oddball just behind you and to the left. I stand with you. Yesterday’s fiction is today’s reality.
Did the article fly right over you?
The devil has to tell you his intent, as others have said see: “Minority Report”
This emanates from 9-11 as Sundance said look at all the goodies that these swamp rats got with that one event, DHS, Patriot Act, etc. There are no coincidences. Just look at Bush in general, Hanging Chads, “something must be done” the public cries, enter Diebold, electronic voting a Bain Capital holding (Mitt Romney).
We have been maneuvered into this spot that we find ourselves, screaming for swamp solutions to “problems” and the demons are more than happy to accommodate. By extension, to steal our humanity.
Wray is just a functionary in a system that has been foisted on us for many decades.
(WEF) Wicked, Evil, F_uckers!
It would seem in some cases the FBI has gone a little further. The case of the attempted kidnapping of a governor, where they convinced a few fools to participate in said crime. All the while organizing and funding, while holding themselves above the law.
When they couldn’t get a conviction on the remaining two bozos they had the federal judge changed to an Obama judge so they could railroad the goofs!
They did that to a lot of disaffected teenagers and bragged about catching ‘lone wolf terrorists’. Meanwhile, they knew about every real terrorist that has committed mass killings. Watched them, doing nothing to stop them. And even helped one or two.
But they sure do like to brag a lot about stopping those nasty Russians that they keep framing as ‘the evil of the world’ that ‘interfered’ with Hillary’s crowning.
Now if they could only solve real crimes.
‘interfered’ with Hillary’s crowning
Thank goodness for small blessings
That that b#tch didn’t get in
They even tried a major push in media leading up to the election to prohibit the use of the word b#tch in media or public use
They knew it was coming and would be used relentlessly in any context with Schmillary
And that devious set-up was not just done on a whim.
It was deliberately timed to influence an upcoming election.
This week my bank up in Canada shut down my account. My first reaction was that I had been locked out by the fascist Trudeau for giving to the Treehouse.
Turned out I was locked out to protect me from identity theft.
We are not hovering on the verge of fascism. We are in fascism, children.
Pre-criminal activity means giving to Sundance. I hope the great man will not object to me stating the obvious.
I started thinking of the possible (few) allies I could turn to in Canada. Sundance (of course) and Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant (Rebel News) and ..? Being a voice for free speech makes you freaking Christopher Columbus, in Canada.
Never, never consent to censorship to protect us from terrorism. Better Bin Laden advocate for bombing than censorship. The older I get, the more I see the glory of free speech. Those who advocate for terrorism or pedophilia are simply confessing their crimes. So why censor?
This profound truth made me make another meager donation to the Treehouse. Please, instead of another trip to the liquor store, give to Sundance.
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Now you know as well as he rest of us, none of that is going to happen. Give it up we are too far gone it seems.
Not sure the upside for us to give up. See the upside for the WEF.
This is vital to understand for the survival of the USA and the West as a whole.
You want to correct those things you’ve listed, their cheat systems must be exposed and ripped out root & branch.
Good Lord!
The FBI is anything but a criminal investigative agency. The idea that the Madisonian institutional arrangements still obtain is a nostalgic fiction today—especially the idea of checks and balances based on the separation of powers.
Congress does not write, the executive does not enforce, and the judiciary does not interpret the laws.
Power and wealth are massively centralized in Washington, D.C.
Federalism, judicial review, executive authority, the legislative process, appropriations—none of this remains operational in a way James Madison would recognize.
And now, the country’s most powerful corporations are in active collusion with the federal security apparatus to enforce the regime’s authority. That’s practically the definition of fascism.
What is this clown talking about? Even when they are aware of “pre crime” activity, they don’t do anything to stop it.
how many American lives been lost because of the deliberate neglect of this agency? The agency needs to be burned down and the earth salted. Being figurative here but you get the drift. Threat to the republic is not an understatement.
The only pre-crime they’re interested in is that of people like us. Actual potential serial murderers they either leave alone or abet.
The FBLie is not just a corrupt institution. It is an unconstitutional creation of a corrupt Congress. There is no authorization for a federal police force in the Constitution. In fact, the Constitution is very specific in regards to what constitutes federal crimes.
The idea of a national police force with the power to target Americans because of their political beliefs would have horrified the drafters of the Constitution. The federal government has no constitutional authority over criminal law except for cases of piracy, counterfeiting, and treason.
I maintain that with the three exceptions noted above, the entire body of the Federal Criminal Code is not authorized by the Constitution.
That is essentially correct. Read Article III.
I was told years ago to be careful what you do online. I was told to treat it like it was going to broadcast on a JumboTron in Times Square.
“Here’s a segment from Wray at the World Economic Forum”
Before even getting to your question Sundance, I’m wondering why this little toad is there at all.
Its WORSE than what Sundance lays out, IMHO, MUCH worse.
What they are doing, at least in part, is CREATING crimes, or “attempted” crimes, that they can then thwart, in order to SHOW they are “preventing terrorism” in order to justify continueing the passage, without debate or amendment, of the Patriot act, i.e. justify their continueing to have legal authorities despite Constitutional prohibition.
We all SAW their M.O., when they ‘targeted’ Papa-D, Manafort, etc.
They find a dupe, that they can “get” something on, “in the muslim community”, tax evasion, traficcing in food stamps (perhaps he runs a bodega?) immigration status for his family, etc.
They confront him, and tell him they won’t pursue charges IF he becomes a C.I., and “finds some muslim extreamists” and helps the FBI make a case against them.
Hence, virtually ALL the “thwarted muslim extreamist attacks” in the U.S., and yet they were unable to stopSab Bernadino, etc.
Itsalla HOAX, of coarse, and with the Politisation, they just changed their targetfrom muslims, to Deplorables, and from setting up “operations” to THWART, to setting up operations to try to provide false evidence to justify their ludicrous claim of “White Nationalist DOMESTIC terrorism is the biggest threat to the country”, and from setting up crimes to thwart, to actual crimes, like J6 and kidnapping Governors.
Stalin’s Secret Police Chief Beria ,
You bring me the man, I’ll find you the crime.
Alive and well.
When I returned to this country 15 years ago, something was off. It may sound preposterous, but nothing felt right. I was not returning to the land of my birth, but to a foreign country I simply did not recognize. I’ve spoken of this before.
Fifteen years later and that feeling has only intensified. I am a stranger in an alien country which has declared us all “enemy combatants”. That is what the odious Wray, the Heinrich Himmler of our time, is saying.
Biden’s satanic speech last year, Hollywood setting with appropriate sinister and disturbing light effects, was the opening act in this surreal nightmare, no doubt in the works for a long time.
They obviously now feel comfortable announcing that we all are in their crosshairs.
Consider yourself warned.
Ain’t nothin felt right since 9/11, Bet.
I was living abroad when that happened. We came back for our daughter’s wedding and returned to Britain on the day the Iraq war started.
We and the couple who came with us were treated at the airline desk as if we actually were enemy combatants. They hauled our passports off to show to other staff, and as they examined them, they would look at the passports , then at us, then back at the passports, then back at us. A lot of chatter going on amongst the three or four who were performing this absurd charade. It went on for about 10 minutes though it felt longer.
It was extremely unnerving and disconcerting.
I suppose we’d better get used to that sort of surveillance…guilty (of something, anything, everything) until we are pronounced guilty of it all.
Be well, my friend.
And it may be that most of those treating you that way on that day were basically entry level employees. Nothing worse than a goofball nobody with an authoritarian complex in charge.
Truth, Sharon. Officious little jobsworths.
Just “following orders”…
Now where have I heard that before.
(All four of us were the most unremarkable people you’d ever laid eyes on. A little worse for wear because of a cross Atlantic journey, tremendously jetlagged, then a week of nonstop wedding events. We had a jolly good time trying to figure out which one of us looked like a terrorist.)
Beria is exactly how our Marxist/Fascist swine think.
So where was this “pre-crime” assessment with the two mass shootings in Florida.. Both the night club shooter and the school shooter had complaints filed with the fib regarding firearms and mental instability..?Where was this pre crime agenda during the back ground check for firearm purchases when they allowed both the Texas church and school shooters to purchase firearms while one was an actual felon and the other lived with a felon..?
Minority Report, 2002 Steven Spielberg movie loosely based on 1958 Philip K. Dick novel. Pre-crime police arrest suspected criminals before a crime committed.
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Here is the kind of WEF elite, know it all, piece of trash that allows Chris Wray and the FIB to think and do “pre-crime” two tired “just-us” systems . None other than one of my illustrious “moderate 🤣 Senators; How low will you go Joe Manchin.
Here’s what that three faced liar said at the WEF to the other POS on that panel. Manchin faced so much backlash, he had to apologize (sort of sorry not sorry). He now claims he did not explain it right. 🥱🤔🙄 https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/18/joe-manchin-wef-davos-press/
Why was Manchin or the rest of the “U.S delegation there with Nazi era Klaus Schwab, unelected kind of the world? I don’t know about the rest, but Ill tell you why Manchin was there. Bill Gate’s has bought him, lock, stock and barrel.
Reading his sorry/not sorry, he made it worse! 🤣🤣. What an idiot.
Alrighty now, Minority Report and 1984 and don’t forget the numerous films on the sexual abuse of children that have moved from the screen to reality.
Next we will see the Hunger Games and the Divergent series to divide people into manageable groups.
Citizen’s arrest upon his plane’s touch down.
FBI mission is framed around “prevention” of criminal activity
Thought Crimes, Sonny
As I listen to this bureaucrat I get the feeling that he is a sophomore playing in the garden of giants. He has absolutely no knowledge of the things he is spewing. He is a midget put into a position of power to do the bidding of corporate interests that will discard him as soon as his usefulness is served.
Wray is a best a dupe.
…an empty suit auditioning for his next clown performance!
COVID was a dress rehearsal to see how far they could stifle our freedoms and measure how quiet we would be when things like freedom of assembly were curtailed, if not eliminated. The skeptic in me calls it a world-wide dress rehearsal and in the post-COVID world, we are seeing all the “players” using the same phraseology of “Build Back Better” to usher in the implementation of the new world order which fits into the plan .
In politics there are no coincidences.
Along with being a means to steal a presidential election; the Ronavirus Pandemic scam was a practice run for the globalists’ upcoming Global Climate Crisis.
He wants to turn us into terrorists.
Then his people will accuse me of a conspiracy theory.
That is their playbook.
It is quite obvious to see the whole picture nowadays.
During his interview with Tucker, Darren Beattie warned, “Everything in our politics will be fake and performative until we bring the national security state, including the FBI, to heel.”
Do you see Trump, DeSantis, or anyone else on the right trying to do something about it? I don’t. Trump is talking about “Big Rallies” and China. None of them seem to care about the phantom voters that will decide 2024 and the national security state that protects them. The phantoms are not voting Republican and our voting system is loaded with enough phantom voters to generate more than enough ballots for some candidates to never have to be concerned over the prospect of losing an election ever again. Think about it….
Cleaning up voting procedures is the specific responsibility of the individual states’ legislators.
What’s your proposal on what Trump should do?
Trump has talked about election fraud since November 2020…actually before that!
Better question is why are all our (s)elected representatives not talking about it.
Come on now, you know the answer.
I’ll ask this without reading the comments…..
Why is the FBI Director talking in a round-table forum at the World ECONOMIC Forum? Before reading Sundance’s post, when I saw the headlines that is the FIRST thing I thought: Why is Chris Wray, the FBI Director, at the WEF?
This World Economic Forum is what used to be called the New World Order.
Alrighty then!
Wray’s successes are promoting and implementing the left’s agenda.
Liberals used to be upset by “profiling” but now they are all in
Crime prevention/Crime creation/Crime covered up/
One of these isn’t going well.
“I will sit down now….”
Oh no you don’t!!! Keep standing young man. Just you keep standing and pointing to that ginormous gorilla in the room that the talkers are pretending is not there.
Goes back to Obama’s first term when the DHS Secretary Napalitano claimed vets returning from Iraq and Afghanistan were a threat because of their potential to become domestic terrorists.
As I recall, VP Biden was one of the first officials to use the phrase “domestic terrorist” at a press conference or some similar event.
Minority Report! Hollywood always says/acts the quiet part out loud!!!
Kind of goes hand-in-glove with this:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/01/19/wef-united-states-will-soon-make-hate-speech-illegal-says-eu-commissioner/
US to enact hate speech laws.
Lol. Yeah, we ain’t doing that.
Maybe the FBI can get the classified documents out of Hunter’s rented garage before he can trade them for hookers and blow.
That is an interesting discussion. The FBI has been terrible at pre-crime prevention. Over and over, the claim has been that a shooter has been on the FBI radar, but the FBI has failed to take action.
You are right, though. That shooter or criminal should not have been on the FBI radar before their criminal action. Only criminal acts should put someone on the FBI radar.
When someone enters the FBLIE radar, like Cruz, whom they knew about waaayy in advance, is a whole different story than a mom standing up at a schoolboard meeting, demanding porn be taken out of her child’s elementary school and now she’s labeled a would-be terrorist.
In many instances I see it as the Feds aiding and abetting a crime…knowingly
J6 was literally down the street from FIB headquarters. They, and Pelosi, etc. did nothing proactively to prevent what they are supposedly so terrified about. In fact they are the prime pre-criminal activity specialists, not as monitors but as participants.
We do have a pre-crime prevention system, “its called don’t do the crime unless you want to do the time.
They just assume everyone is corrupt as they are, so the big net casting to catch it all.
Impeach Wray Now!
It appears Wray’s “preventing crimes” remarks at the WEF is the only time he’s ever told the truth.
SAD.