Stellantis is a multinational automaker contracted for the electric version of the Jeep Cherokee. Citing high costs to produce electric vehicles, on Friday Stellantis announced a decision to idle the Belvedere, Illinois plant starting on Feb. 28, 2023, and notified 1,350 workers of the layoffs.
(Via Fox) […] “This difficult but necessary action will result in indefinite layoffs, which are expected to exceed six months and may constitute a job loss under the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act. As a result, WARN notices have been issued to both hourly and salaried employees,” it said. “The company will make every effort to place indefinitely laid off employees in open full-time positions as they become available.”
Today The Daily Mail is reporting that production of the electric Jeep will take place in Mexico.
Hundreds of workers are expected to be laid off when automaker Stellantis closes an assembly plant in northern Illinois early next year, citing the challenge of rising costs of electric vehicle production.
The company, which employs about 1,350 workers at the plant in Belvidere, Illinois, said the action will result in indefinite layoffs and it may not resume operations as it considers other options.
Stellantis said the industry ‘has been adversely affected by a multitude of factors like the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic and the global microchip shortage, but the most impactful challenge is the increasing cost related to the electrification of the automotive market.’
The Belvidere plant, produces the Jeep Cherokee SUV, will be idle starting on February 28, 2023, Stellantis said. The plant in Toluca, Mexico will now produce the vehicles. (read more)
One aspect of this move that deserves additional attention is the U.S. and Canada focus on new energy policy, against the backdrop of Mexico telling the Biden administration the USMCA partner was going to continue development of traditional oil, coal and natural gas energy production.
Should Mexico continue to maintain a more traditional energy policy, they will likely create a greater cost incentive for all manufacturers. With electricity rates skyrocketing in the U.S. and Canada, any energy dependent manufacturer would see an additional advantage to production in Mexico.
It will be worthwhile watching this dynamic closely and seeing what type of pressure the Biden administration will apply to Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez-Obrador to fall in line.
Who will want an electric Jeep?
Well, how about the United States Army for starters!
hahaha!
BHummer…
Sorry Colonel, we cannot attack that objective until our vehicles recharge overnight.
No Sir, the enemy cut the power lines in this area so we are waiting for generators from the rear area. Should be here in an hour or so.
Yes Sir, I don’t know either who that idiot was who thought these pieces of junk were better than the standard gasoline fueled vehicles.
Yes Sir, we’ve setup a perimeter since we’re sitting ducks if the enemy decides to attack.
Thank you Sir. We need all the luck we can get.
I know who the idiot is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -_-
As a Army Vietnam era veteran this sheeeet scares the buh jeeeezes out of me…Lord help us!!!
Beautiful!
And where are the minerals found that are needed to power those pieces of crap?? CHINA!!
Biden:China::China:X= __
afganastan
Some in Sask Canada but like the oil when the government realizes mining requires fossil fuels they will shut it down.
POST OF THE DAY!!!!
Colonel, my apologies, but about those generators…
Yes?
Well, sir, they won’t make it, sir. The EV trucks needed to deliver the generators needed to be charged.
And?
Well, sir, they used the generators to charge the EV Trucks and the forklifts needed to move the generators.
Ok, and, did they get here?
Yes, yes, sir, just arrived.
Ok, then, soldier, what’s the issue?
Well, sir, they used the remaining gasoline and diesel, which the generators need, when they charged trucks. So, sir, um, the generators are here, but we have no fuel to power the generators, and now both the Jeeps’ and the trucks’ batteries are dead.
Right. More scenarios that reveal EV’s unsuitability for combat usage.
Exactly. And the liberals know this but don’t care.
Not to mention how vulnerable they would be to EMP attacks.
We should be running fully mechanical diesel engines with backup hydraulic starter motors operated off accumulators that can be pressurized by hand pumps for tertiary redundancy.
A truly “green” future would see vehicles powered by engineered energy dense liquid fuels produced with nuclear powered electricity sources. Some even optimized for fuel cells.
I would hope to see not only ubiquitous modular plug and play nuclear facilities but even ones with the liquid fuel production capability built in to take advantage not only of their electricity but as well of the heat they create.
How sweet would it be if all the post generation heat wasn’t wasted on cooling towers but put to work in concurrent industrial use?
Today’s Greens are utterly without imagination or hope and relentlessly tyrannical, rejecting the blessing of humanity in favor of its destruction.
ALL modern vehicles are vulnerable to EMP attacks….you know all the nice features that are interconnected throughout your vehicle operating system?…..they use ELECTRONICS
Well aware of that, not happy about it either.
Sounds nice. But you are kidding yourself if you believe it will happen. This nations ‘administrators,’ don’t give a rats patooty about what’s right and what will kill us all.
I’m not kidding myself I assure you.
Twenty five years in the Air Force has taught me about the penchant of leaders to chase the silly bells and whistles while the troops are muttering about the inevitable catastrophes to come.
I have been saying pretty much the same thing for over a year. Tremendous logistical nightmare. Unbelievable tactical disadvantage.
I am still waiting on the wind powered aircraft they have been promising us.
Long live fossil fuels!
no such thing as “fossil fuel”…it is all a part of the myth they developed
Right! Since they are full wit cool aid drinkers… that come from CA
These are Jeep Cherokees ……. NOT the Army kind…
Depends who’s driving or chauffeured, I bet.
With few REAL leaders in the Military, that’s a possibility. Bring back the ones with brass spines who won’t kowtow to political pariahs, regardless of cost!
I prefer Titanium Spines, but such might as well be Unobtainium in this debased culture.
Yeah, they’ll need something for the Pup Patrol to ride around in… Woof!
I’m afraid the Allies would have lost World War II if we had used electric Jeeps back then.
I don’t think the top brass in the Army will like the Jeeps. Those vehicles are difficult to get into and out of while in heels, I am told.
Someone who wants superior 4 wheel drive traction for off road use.
Until you find yourself 150 miles in the bush and nary a charging station in sight.
Who did Belvedere, Illinois vote for?
Yup, be interesting to know that
In 2020, Boone County Illinois, the county where Belvidere is located went 55% to 42% Trump over Biden. In 2022 it voted for the Republican in both the US Senate and House Races.
This 2020 presidential election map from the New York Times breaks down the election results by precinct.
The general area around Belvidere, IL voted mostly for Trump, but there were a few precincts that barely went for Biden.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html
Illinois is largely red. Chicago is the primary region of blue.
55% GOP in Boone County IL up N
Smart people don’t go past the range or the point of no return of their vehicles, whether boats, jeeps, or airplanes.
My point is the traction control systems for 4 wheel drive vehicles with a motor for each wheel can be far superior than current 4 wheel drive mechanical drives used by vehicles like a Jeep.
Your still a idiot! You just dont get IT.
LOL! Get what?
I get that you don’t have a clue about microprocessor controlled traction systems for electric drives. I’ve been around them for years.
Tie gas or deosel powered F150 to the new Ford eletric drive F150, ensure each wheel has the same load on each vehicle, and have a tug-of-war. I guarantee if the traction control system of the elecric drive is properly configured, the electric drive will drag the gas or diesel powered F150.
Do buy one. And may you & all the president’s lemmings be banned from shoving EVs, vaxes , & other totalitarian crap down our freedom-loving throats.
I would never spend the premium on buying an EV, even with a tax credit. I need range that only a gas engine can supply.
However, if I owned a business thst required vehicles with limited milage driven each day, say 60 miles around town for electricians or plumbers, that would be a business decision to consider. Everything has a place.
Now if someone wanted to give me a Porshe Taycan….:)
https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/fastest-electric-cars/
I suppose range doesn’t matter too much if they lock you down like Oxford England. You won’t likely be able to afford a truck or sedan anyway. I see a booming business in light vehicles the size of golf carts. I already see most rural areas using 4 person UTVs and coastal Carolinas I see golf carts everywhere.
Troll, please go home!
Not a troll.
I disagree with the fellow’s overlooking of the vulnerabilities and limitations of the tech, especially in military use, but that’s what conversations are for and where CTH excels like no other.
First, circumstances in the real world doesn’t provide that each wheel has the same load. Second, traction that does or does not occur is dependent on the contact that a tire, wheel, or track makes. Also, what the condition of the surface (wet, oily, loose, compacted, etc.) is that they make contact with. The device that drives or spins them does not create traction, only increases or decreases the spinning/rotation which can assist in obtaining traction.
His point that microprocessors and sensors and instantaneous torque can mitigate those huge variables you view are valid.
It’s only part of the full equation, and doesn’t outweigh the limitations and vulnerabilities in most military uses, but it’s not untrue.
Which is what my last sentence states without all the equation variables.
You mean the F150 Lightning that couldn’t drag a trailer 85 miles? And they had to slow down to conserve the battery after 50 miles, then turn around to find a power station. That F150?
You mean the F150 where Ford recommends using the heated seats and steering wheel as your primary heat source (rather than the HVAC) in cold weather, to save battery range? That F150?
I own a 2015 Grand Cherokee diesel, that gets 33MPG on the highway, loaded. A 6-cylinder that has the same towing capacity as the gas V-8. And I love it.
For the first 30 feet or 30 seconds! Whichever comes 1st. Richard Cranium
Good one!
That’s very true. Plus added traction will come from the half-ton battery pack it’ll have to carry to give it any meaningful range. 😁😁
And where will the worn out batteries be dumped? Think ocean, land, pollution, toxins, while repeating the hypocritical “climate change” mantras of “do no harm.”
Throw ’em at the enemy with a trebuchet, they’ll burn for days!
Especially when towing.
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/ford-f150-lightning-electric-truck-towing-test/
PS- don’t forget the 20 grand or so to replace the battery in a few years.
No surprise there! A simple matter of physics. It requires a certain amount of energy to move 10,000 lbs. The total amount of energy in a battery is no match for the amount of energy in a tankful of gasoline or diesel fuel. Instantaneous torque is electric motors advantage but the energy consumption rate is where electric power falls far short.
Shhhhh, GB, you’re speaking of things that make a liberal’s brain hurt.
Until you have to drive across a deep creek and the electric motors and electrical system short or you get electrocuted!
EV’s do not like water, they tend to explode in flames when that accrues.
After the most recent hurricane in Florida, people’s electric vehicles caught on fire because of the electrical systems and salt water. I saw video of a Russian cargo ship with electric vehicles. The ones exposed to the ocean salt water all spontaneously caught fire. In all of these cases, the vehicles were parked and not even in operation.
Would you want your home or your neighbor’s home (think attached housing or very close together) burned to the ground because your electric vehicle spontaneously caught fire?
C’mon man!!!! That’s just the casualties of progress.
Since traction motors have been around for about 100 years or so, a good interim measure for proof of concept would be something similar to a hybrid except with traction motors instead of a mechanical drivetrain.
There are currant bushes, maybe they can get a charge from one of those/s
No prob, mate! Just carry a spare generator along with the usual spare jerry cans of gas.
Ain’t that a conundrum. Electrification of all these vehicles means fewer taking hard roads to isolated locations. People will work around that to some degree, but the weight of the vehicle will be a net loss and the money for that activity will be prohibitive. As intended.
Precisely.
All the limitations of EVs are a feature, not a bug.
No recharge stations in da wilderness
Not even plugging them into a currant bush……?
That’s a joke, right?
of course it is a joke – no one on CTH could be that silly
No
Yes
Troll!
Differently opinioned yes, troll no.
We’ve been cautioned not to through that label around too freely.
Differing opinions, sometimes especially offbeat ones, generate illuminating conversations that are often extremely valuable, especially to those many many lurkers to whom we should be directing much of our attention as we engage each other.
Not that I don’t curse and pass by comments on a daily basis, but it takes something willfully and nastily egregious to get me to type those curses.
Better than an old-fashioned ICE Jeep?
Hahaha electric
Lol!! Dream on!
You can manage wheel slip better with four electric motors (1 per wheel) than any mechanical drive currently used by Jeep.
Electric vehicles excel in traction control and have great torque. Those are facts.
The limit is what you can do with a full charge.
Only way to really do it…
ICE powers a generator that powers the motors at the wheels.
Electric motors do have better control and low end torque… it’s the battery as a power source aspect that is shit.
Been doing this on locomotives and ships for decades…
You correct. The battery is the limit as I stated.
I was around diesel electric locomotives for decades.
Sadly some of the people her think electric cars are like golf carts. Some of the best will blow past most cars in the quarter mile. Tesla says its Model S Plaid has a top speed of 200 miles per hour and can go from zero to 60 in 1.99 seconds. How many gas powered cars can do 0-60 that fast.
https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/fastest-electric-cars/
Unfortunately personal vehicles have nowhere near the internal space required to accommodate an ICE, a sufficiently sized generator, power dissipation unit, and all the additional equipment needed to complete the platform. Railroad locomotives and ships have no such limitations.
Maybe large trucks or buses can be adapted but the hybrid vehicle technology has proven to be most efficient and adaptable to small passenger cars, SUVs, and light trucks.
Hahahaha
Until you high center over a rock and tear your battery array apart which bursts into unextinguishable flames.
IDIOT! Just surrender!
https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/fastest-electric-cars/
I never bow to ignorance.
Look in the mirror and take a bow!
Soit genti.
The same people who would want an electric “Mustang” SUV??
https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/fastest-electric-cars/
I was going to say: What on earth can you do with an electric Jeep? Absolutely nothing.
You will.
But it will have a US Postal Service sign on it.
And when the USPS gets the electric bill for all those vehicles, they’ll go farther into the red.
The military have always been subjected to the dems destructive policies and their social engineering strategies.
Actually our neighbor has one, for his kid. He rides around it their lawn in circles.
Exactly.
Vehicles produced in Mexico generally have many more quality control issues than ones produced in the states.
Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin? The Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade?
https://readovka.news/news/97074
“Sobyanin announced the production of electric vehicles at the Renault Russia plant in Moscow
16.05.2022
Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said that the plant, which has passed into the state ownership of the Russian Federation, will resume production of cars under the Moskvich brand.
“KAMAZ will become the main technological partner of the revived Moscow Automobile Plant Moskvich. At the first stage, the production of classic cars with an internal combustion engine will be organized, and in the future – electric vehicles, ” Sobyanin said.
On May 15, it became known that after the transfer of the plant to the state ownership of the Russian Federation, 100% of the shares of Renault Russia CJSC will be owned by the Moscow government.”
https://sevastopol.su/news/v-lipeckoy-oblasti-nachalos-proizvodstvo-elektromobiley-evolute-v-lipeckoy-oblasti-nachalos
02 October 2022
The Lipetsk Motorinvest plant has officially launched the serial production of electric vehicles under the Evolute brand. Back in March, the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Lipetsk Region and Motorinvest signed a special investment contract (SPIC) on “the introduction of technology for the production of environmentally friendly urban vehicles based on traction engines.” The contract implies the organization of production of electric vehicles and lithium-ion traction batteries, and investments will amount to more than 13 billion rubles over eleven years.
…
Official dealers of the Evolve brand will soon open in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod, Kazan, Voronezh, Lipetsk, Krasnodar, Rostov-on-Don and Sochi. According to the special investment contract, more than 242 thousand electric vehicles will be produced during the implementation of the project.”
Imagine driving thru 3 to 4 feet of water and getting the batteries soaked. I’m sure they try to protect them but I would not bet on it.
Water is like gravity, it always wins.
Exactly. Some of my relatives think Jeep is an American owned company. They are beyond help.
That was the first question that came to my mind, too! I can’t imagine the hassle involved to retrieve a dead battery car from a tiny two track road somewhere up in the mountains. It couldn’t even be done if your cell phone battery is also dead. All crap comes from the top.
Illinois voted for Biden as did Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Those union auto/steel workers can say ADIOS ME TRABAJOS! I have absolutely no sorrow for them!
Union yes!
Union Si!
Imagine still believing that the 2020 election numbers are legitimate. No, PA did NOT vote for Biden. It was stolen. Trump won.
some are still ignorant or just too lazy to learn the truth
The union to the worker is as the CDC to the healthy person
Established a long time ago with some particular “protective” purpose, but today doing exactly the opposite of what they are supposed to be doing.
The only Unions that count anymore are are Teacher Unions. Teacher Unions are college, high school, elementary, preschool. The Unions that control children are everything.
Most people in Illinois are normal, practical, down-to-earth Christian conservatives. The Chicago area (Cook County) controls the state, politically. This has been true for DECADES. I remember my dad telling me that Cook County controlled everything years & years ago. In addition, it’s widely believed that there is a LOT of corruption in the elections (dead people voting, etc.)–especially in the Chicago area. No matter how hard people in central & downstate Illinois try to vote for change, the state stays blue. 🙁 I’ve been reading about a push for parts of Illinois to break away & form the state of “New Illinois.” I pray that it happens–and FAST!!!
Remember Joe & JFK election.
Although I never knew the exact situation in Illinois, I never thought it could ever go Republican… I just knew that once the Dems controlled the electoral process, forget ever going back to normal. I’m also familiar with the Richard Daley political legacy… and that, since I was very young. About Dem election control, it also has a lot to do with GOP complacency…in fact, it wouldn’t be possible without it… as for the media… well… you know!
requires permission from Springfield INCLUDING Chiraqland……NOT going to happen
Someone from California throwing insults at any other part of the country? Maybe if you had done 5 minutes of research you would know, that Boone Cty Illinois has been reliably Republican for years and went for Trump in both 2016 and 2020. They even voted for Romney. But hey, you proudly fly the California flag, so ignorance must be a point of pride with you.
Okay, tell me about Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?
Michigan went for President Trump.
Voter / ballot fraud.
Legitimately there is a good chance that so did CA in 2020 if an HONEST count was done of the legal votes there
Illinois probably did, maybe.
The rest, not so much.
I do agree concerning the crooked, marxist uaw / teamsters unions.
This 2020 presidential election map from the New York Times breaks down the election results by precinct.
The general area around Belvidere, IL voted mostly for Trump, but there were a few precincts that barely went for Biden.
Looking at Illinois at a statewide level, you will notice that Illinois is very much a geographically conservative state.
I can attest to the accuracy of this fact given that I’m a lifelong conservative Illinoisan.
Notice that Illinois is even geographically redder than the so-called red state of Mississippi.
Illinois is only considered to be a blue state because of the Chicago area, which is nothing like the rest of the state.
there are more conservatives in CA than in any OTHER state than TX…..look at an electoral map of CA and you see red all but the coastal areas of SF to LA and the San Jose – Sac corridor….ALL of N CA and Inland CA are conservative
Zapata would be proud…Lopez-Obrador is not going to cave on this…..
Brandon is truly a chump. he stops fairly inexpensive energy production in the US and US companies flee to Mexico because Mexico still produces energy. what a maroon.
It’s a feature not a flaw. These Bolsheviks know what they are doing!
Step #1: Destroy what exists.
Who is going to work in the factory in Mexico? Seems like everyone is from Mexico and Central America are lined up at the border waiting for Title 42 to end.
Most of Mexico is in the US. I just pra.y they have the family values WE used to have
Hoping Mexicans have US values to shore up the values that have gone down the crapper, as I sit here listening to Christmas songs. My head hurts.
For off road use, an electric jeep would be a good application. Peak torque at zero RPM, silent running and 200 mile range off road is a long way. You don’t have to get 10mpg in first gear, you use only how much power you need. It has real advantages in this situation. On road applications are different, a 200 mile range with 45 minute “supercharging” if you can find it is hardly appealing. Additionally, initial cost is about 50% higher, use cost is also high if you use fast charging and if the batteries crap out you are left with a $40,000 bill.
The environmental consequences of mining rare earths are severe — for every kg of molybdenum, for example, about 2000 tons of material need to be processed. If you need to destroy the earth to “save” it, what the hell do you think you are doing? It is as Neil Oliver has said, the plan is that we are not going to make due with electric vehicles, we are going to do without vehicles all together. The mad greenie proposals won’t work and they know it, they just want to think that they have everything worked out.
We can spot the electric Jeeps as they burst into flames after piercing the battery on a rock. The good news is the rock doesn’t care about heat damage.
Take an electric Jeep to Moab Utah for a little rock climbing and you’ll be laughed off the planet.
Would like to see actual “off road” use statistics for Jeeps in the US.
I would bet over 90% of Jeep miles are highway or street miles, not off road.
The majority of people buy Jeeps because they think a Jeep is “cool”, not because they want to go off road with them.
I am a McIntosh Electronics aficionado. A great (formerly) American company … although their new Japanese owners haven’t moved their manufacturing out of Binghamton NY. But for the life of me I cannot understand WHY they would exclusively partner with Jeep … of all the shitty car companies in America. As the Bible says … it’s like a fine gold ring in a pigs snout.
Jeep is a cult (I own one) much like McIntosh Electronics.
Your suspicions are spot on. For 4 wheel drive pickup owners, the only time they go off road are during parallel parking maneuvers. The statistics at GM were over 95% is on road, occasionally a dirt road or logging road and almost never rock climbing. That being said, the vehicles themselves are very good, even the RAV4 from Toyota is amazingly capable off road and it is not the best one.
Commie chinks rode bicycles for decades.
Yep, and the defibrillator paddles are stock if you took the jab.
Thank you for your sane response. 🇺🇸
If the manufacturer’s mileage is as accurate for electric 4-wheel drive as it is for real world use of an electric pickup truck then you better be carrying a high wattage fossil fuel generator to provide power for the 2nd mile climbing up inclines.
Those EV pickups are great for show while running around town going to the doctors office and the super market. Put a load in the bed or even hook up an empty ‘feather weight’ trailer and the mileage drops to 1/4 what is listed. Put your jeep into all fours crawling up a mile long slope and with slippage it will definitely be less than 1/4 what is listed. Never mind adding a couple of thousand pounds of bars, winch, plates, etc.
mileage cited is for the best case….moderate temperatures with level terrain….hot or cold or changing elevations will lower mileage expectations……so will age or number of recharges on the battery pack
First of all you can’t construct or even retrofit a factory plus train workers to be productive in less than two months so this move has been planned for some time.
Second, Maytag another company that had plants in Illinois and Iowa then moved to Mexico never lowered their prices after the great savings of moving and betraying the workforce that made their reputation.
I don’t think Jeep’s are going to be a dime cheaper either for the consumer after this move.
they’re not looking out for the consumer… never have, never will
Just like the so-called shots for any and all diseases, they don’t work, cause harm, and nobody cares.
I drive by that plant every week and it has been under-utilized for some time. Now I know why.
Again, a post mid-term knife in the back of America. This follows the presidential primary upheaval., history be damned . Another in a long train of abuses and usurpations. What’s next: a full pardon for the corrupt first son?
Bubye.
I am certain the Bidinh Admin. Jeep. And the media. All trumpeted the start of this ecar operation in Illinois of all the Gawd forsaken States to build things. America FIRST! High taxes and high inefficient energy costs FIRST! High UNION labor costs FIRST! Massive regulations FIRST!! Green bullshit FIRST!
But they will all be completely silent about this epic FAIL on so many levels
I think you’ll find that Stellantis own the Jeep brand, so they are not contracted.
And here in CA … where my house temp. is set at 61 deg. F. except for two hours a day when we raise it to 66 deg.F. Last months PG&E bill was $459.00. And we have just remodeled the house with 2” of spray foam insulation + R-38 attic insul. And all walls R-21 insul. OVER State mandated insul. Standards. A 97% efficient furnace and 97% efficient tankless water heater.
Our so called eco-elites are trying to force all of us into energy poverty. Nobody will afford to drive … any car … let alone a wildly expensive e-car. Perhaps I need to immigrate to Mexico for my retirement … cause CA sure does SUCK now. This 4th generation Californian is just about DONE.
Some of us left several years ago.
Rose Bird Court started my doubts about “justice.”
Good book about CA “favors,” is “Last Mafioso.” It’s old. So’s the plan now in place.
left in the height of the “plandemic”…..CA was stolen politically during the Davis reign and continues so to this day…no one with a brain believes Nanzi’s nephew won his recall vote
We have got to be the dumbest country on the planet.
They are, I’m not
How do these electric jeeps handle off-road stuff like a deep creek crossing?
It’s a bit hard to put a snorkel on a battery.
One Tesla owner I know of tried it and has some video of it too. He also took his Tesla on a couple drag (race) and drive events, one time towing a generator behind it. Car ran mid-low 9’s in the quarter mile at about 145 mph. Here’s a screen capture from one of his videos.
The hollowing out of America continues unabated.
Bass 💩.
Consequences of…..
Landscapers call battery powered blowers “Hair Dryers”. Great story sir.
Lack of sufficient grid will kill the electric car….By design. 😒
Princeton U did a study indicating only 25M of capacity on the grid for EV PASSENGER vehicles for a system that took over a century to develop…..CA alone is calling for more EVs than that…..then we could talk about the shortage of raw materials to manufacture said EVs to begin with worldwide
Choice is what this is all about. Keeping choices alive.
Personally don’t care if people use roller skates to get about, as long as the GreenNuts aren’t forcing them on people’s feet!
EVs are another “Climate Change” mandate from self-serving power brokers.
Better quality is expensive but I’m in my third season with ego mower and blower 56 volt .
I am only cutting a clearing a quarter acre lot but mower is light self propelled and the blower works great at the end of my lawn manicure batteries are at 25%
I bought it for ease of use and noise . Left most of my hearing building ships back when America made stuff
Manuel Lopez-Obrador to fall in line.
He will do what the Mexican citizens demand. Fossil Fuels are Mexico’s future!! American energy policare insane .
What they are REALLY telling the American people, is that they MUST work for less money.
Cheap goods = lower wages
What’s old is new again. The 80’s are calling and China smiles. How are their holdings in Mexico doing these days? Given the rise of China’s working class out of abject poverty, Mexico brings them a good, inexpensive work force too.
Can’t keep up. Did anyone mention Switzerland banned Electric Vehicles as a drain on the system and damaging to the environment????
The Swiss are smart.
IDK that they’ve banned them but they do have some published guidelines for this winter in case of extraordinary electrical demand. The documents are on the internet. Given the country’s demographics I doubt such bans will cause citizens to rise up in protest. Standard of living is pretty high there. It’s where the elite come to discuss world domination.
Ted Koppel’s “Lights Out” details the frailty and vulnerable state of our electric grid. Wasn’t there a major grid outage due to sabotage this month? Stick with gas, just like our adversaries are doing.
Substation attacks in North Carolina if memory serves.
I would expect the electrical infrastructure to be early targets in any direct action. Given the enormous volume of citizens who work in critical infrastructure and possess systems and security knowledge, I would count on things getting pretty dicey in adverse action.
WA and OR had an additional 8 of their own
Tsk Tsk tsk… and just think of all this union folks who just voted straight Democrat in the midterms. Well good luck to you. You’re going to need it.
The Dems will screw them over six ways from Sunday.
The traditional blue collar unions haven’t figured it out yet – Dems want all those jobs to go off shore, and only have local, state and Federal unions in their pocket as they are much more reliable because their jobs depend on continued government growth. Those “smelly” workers who sweat laboring are suckers compared to the perfumed government office workers.
Correct! I told my wife the only good jobs our kids will be able to get, not being some special protected class, are ones that rely on export controls where you can’t have a foreigner on a VISA do it cheaper.
Here’s a short video from 2012 accurately named
“if I wanted America to fail”
It explained the stated goals behind the democrats destructive energy policies and the damage they will cause.
Unfortunately, after 10years, instead of stopping the Insanity, the GOPe has publicly accepted their flawed climate change premise and joined in the libtards agenda of cashing in on America’s demise.
Now we get to witness the results of Congresses
Implementation of their re-imagined green
Energy security scam.
https://www.bkconnection.com/bkblog/jeevan-sivasubramaniam/if-i-wanted-america-to-fail
Well…so much for all those jobs that EV manufacturing was suppose to create in the US (according to the current administration)!
And Jeep has been the most profitable brand among other duds in their portfolio. So you can just imagine the fate of the rest of the brands. The irony is that the electric vehicle manufacturer cannot afford the electricity to make them. What, then, about the eventual customers?!
Send Jeep electric cars to Mexico & sell them there.
Put Brandon in first one made & keep him there along with his EVs & DPs.
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Any bets as to how many of the disenfranchised workers voted for Beijing Joe; also known as the Toluca douche nozzle?
In my time in union manufacturing 40-50 years ago, it was an easy bet that the average worker voted Democrat. That was easy to tell being at odds with that philosophy. Any more? IDK. Seems like a lot more conservative widget builders out there, regardless of union leadership. Service unions are a different ball of wax from factory workers at an auto plant. We saw an inkling of it with PDJT’s focus on industry and worker response, including at the voting booth.
Electric vehicles are little more than a huge con job. How do you think that the electricity to charge them is generated? Fossil fuels…..Aside from the fact that they can be dangerous, are totally inappropriate for serious travel, etc., the batteries that run them are anything but ‘green’. This is most probably another effort to keep you in that ‘15 minute city’.
no such thing as a “fossil fuel”….part of the created myth
One must ask oneself if AMLO was elected in Mexico with some help from Dominion? He really didn’t make trouble for Trump. He was compliant, very compliant. Maybe he knew what was going to happen in 2020
FJB
Elections have consequences, stolen elections doubly so.
This is what unionization gets you. High wages and benefits that can be easily avoided by moving operations out of the country.
Jeep and electric go together like oil and water.
& the march out of Illi-Noise continues [I’m always embarrassed to say I live in this state…wish I could set myself free from this Hell Hole]…God have mercy!
But – but – but, no “mean tweets”!
It was H. L. Menkin who wrote: “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”
The vehicle produced in the Belvidere plant, is the Jeep Cherokee, not to be confused with the Grand Cherokee.
Currently there is no electric Cherokee, nor any hybrid version. This vehicle was a good seller in past years, but has not had a major refresh since 2014. There was an update in 2019, but it’s still mostly the same vehicle as the 2014, so sales have slowed greatly.
There has been much speculation about the future of that model since it sits between the newly refreshed Compass and the Grand Cherokee. The Grand Cherokee was totally new last year, and the compass got new interior and infotainment updates, and also will have a new 2.0 liter turbo 4 cyl. engine that addresses the biggest complaint of the underpowered 2.4L version. My bet is that Jeep will have a short run of the 2023 model, and will be converting to something else at the Mexico plant.
I drive a 2019 Cherokee now, but I have no interest in the new “E” versions. This push to electrification is premature in my opinion.
As I posited upthread, an interim move to hybrid/traction motor technology could find a niche. I don’t believe there are any consumer manufacturers doing that currently but would have to check the SUV marketplace in detail.
By hybrid/traction motor, I mean something like a Prius but with traction motors at the wheels instead of a mechanical locomotive drivetrain.
In something like a Jeep that could provide improved traction control and unsprung mass plus redundancy. Apparently Tesla’s motors can work underwater, at least intermitently, a necessity in a real world Jeep.
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Our country have so much oil that Electrical automobile Doesn’t making any sense,
Gone now or gone tomorrow, EVs are not the future.
It is not just cars; they are steering everyone towards battery powered EVERYTHING. Power tools, lawn mowers, chainsaws. Stihl is pushing them nonstop on TV. They wish to control and limit everything we do. You cannot even cut weeds without them butting in.
My neighbor up the street had a battery powered leaf blower which landscapers call “hair dryers” I noticed this year he has a gas powered one
Im curious when those private jets & the big blue government one go electric powered.
They should be first since the users want EVs so much.
Why oh why are we living in such a back assward time. Screw the climate, drill baby drill!
Also, besides drill, mine. At one time, when I was younger, coal was a huge user of electricity as part of its mining operations. Some of the largest man-made machines on the planet ran not on fuel oil/diesel, rather electricity and they helped mine coal, coal that fueled power plants to provide that electricity.
Like petroleum, coal is essential to industry; very little we interface with on a daily basis does not have coal or petroleum as part of it.
Fortunately, it appears Treepers know the game and end goal. Unfortunately, large swaths of the population do not. Educate when possible, resist where possible. We each have free will and have the freedom of choice, including adverse action against enemies who attack us and our way of life.
“Who controls the Spice controls the universe” Frank Hebert Dune
(Spice is energy aka Petroleum)
Maybe some illegals will go back to Mexico for the jobs
FYI…I wouldn’t buy an electric anything. I’ll convert to running methanol first.
Well I wonder how all the liberal voters feel now that worked at that plant ??? I wonder if they signed up to learn how to code yet ?
Well, I certainly hope that the Mexican engineers do something that the previous engineers overlooked: design a battery that can come in contact with more than a few inches of rain without causing those cars to burst into flames.
I see. Hmmm. They’re blaming high energy costs. Hasn’t Germany caused their own energy cost increases? Labor has to be expensive too, much cheaper in China. If countries don’t have any principles all of the crucial products will be made in China … and China will eventually take advantage of it.
From some news article:
[CEO] Brudermüller said the European gas crisis, coupled with stricter industry regulations in the EU
Stricter regulations. As in the “green” crap. And conveniently China doesn’t need to implement any restrictions, so hey let’s just send all of our dirty smelly manufacturing over there, as if somehow their part of the atmosphere isn’t shared by the rest of the world. (smh)
I bought a new imported sailboat for a present when I finished my first graduate degree. I had no college debt. I had a new boat same brand years earlier.
They built a plant in Mexico because OSHA is tough on boat builders in California and every time immigration came around, the factory was vacated.
1 dollar an hour but it required more supervision because mexicans at the time not handy with woodwork and tools.
Lot of little mistakes not caught by inspection.
A Mexican can screw up a 200 dollar piece of teak. How does cheap labor save money?
All my boats from the North east showed fine craftsmanship.
A little pollution, dust and MEK evaporation are not an issue in Mexico. Maquiladora is duty free.
GM is doing the same exact thing. So much for the billions of US tax payer dollars spent on creating EV manufacturing jobs. No surprise here, I told folks this would happen.