The specific level of GOPe misinformation; a constructed narrative currently advocated by Karl Rove; surrounding the release of the FBI affidavit justifying the raid on President Trump’s home, is very telling.
I’ll have more on that later; suffice to say, it’s clear now the republican wing of the DC UniParty knew the plan all along, and yes, the downstream consequences align with the instructions to the created Trump alternative, Ron DeSantis. This is all organized.
Review Techno Fog article for the legal perspective on the affidavit [SEE HERE]. From my perspective it becomes important to talk about the bigger picture of what lies behind this entire operation.
First, as to the documents themselves, the general public is clueless about how classified documents exist. Some even believe classified documents are never copied, which is stunningly false. All source material is held at the originating agency in its original form. All versions of documents that are provided to stakeholders in government, including the President are copies.
A well-known example of multiple copies of classified documents -as assembled- is the Daily Presidential Brief. The president is never given the originating source classified document of anything. The president, like all other users of classified material, would receive a copy for review. Declassification is done by declassifying the copy and then the declassification directive travels back to the originating agency for them to change the classification status of the original.
We know now, with direct information from both media and the shape of the DOJ/FBI statements, that the documents held by President Trump in his Mar-a-Lago home are documents showing malfeasance and targeting by the DOJ and FBI surrounding the false accusations of a Trump-Russia collusion case.
[Jan 19, 2021 – Presidential Memorandum Declassifying Trump-Russia Documents] In essence, the documents are the evidence behind the Trump targeting operation, and the collusion network between Main Justice and U.S. media. This should not be a surprise.
As a result, the DOJ/FBI main justice operation from Washington DC was centered around retrieving the evidence of their own corrupt -and generally illegal- activity against Trump.
This motive explains the need for main justice to use the presidential records act, coordinated in concert with the national archives, to justify the document retrieval mission. Main Justice is trying to throw a bag over the trail of documentary evidence of their own misconduct. That is the underlying nature of this effort.
President Trump, his advisors and his lawyers, have stated unequivocally that during his administration President Trump declassified the documents in question. [SEE HERE] He declassified them from the copy he was provided to review.
However, as noted in the January 20, 2021, memo above from the office of the president, the agencies, specifically the DOJ and FBI, held a motive to not follow through on the declassification order itself.
This conflict between President Trump declassifying the evidence of DOJ and FBI misconduct, and the DOJ and FBI refusing to declassify the evidence – for obvious reasons, is the originating source of the issue. Inasmuch as the DOJ may attempt to stop Trump by using lawfare against him, ultimately in a court of law this conflict should come out.
In the biggest of big pictures, President Trump has no legal exposure. However, the FBI and DOJ need to leverage the appearance of illegal conduct in order to continue their ongoing targeting operation, which, as you can clearly see, has a very specific agenda behind it. Charging Donald Trump with any form of criminal conduct will ultimately fail.
The sunlight upon the background of the conflict is averse to the interests of the officials making the criminal accusations. The truth has no agenda and the best defense President Trump carries is just that, the truth.
It is important to remember, the presidential records act –the presented pretext for the document conflict– is not a criminal statute. An FBI raid cannot be predicated on a document conflict between the National Archives and a former president.
The FBI affidavit, which leads to the search warrant and the subsequent raid on Mar-a-Lago, could -by its very nature- only be justified if it related to records the U.S. government deems “classified” and material vital to national security interests. Hence, DOJ National Security Division involvement, and all of the documents and affidavit are framed around this pretext.
Main Justice could not conduct the operation to retrieve the evidence of their corruption, if they did not shape the operation as an investigation giving the impression that national security was compromised. The baseline is the ruse. The predicate behind the retrieval operation is false.
♦ So, what are the DOJ and FBI so desperate to retrieve?
In broad terms there are two sets of documents that intermingle and are directly related. First, documents that highlight the activity of Hillary Clinton’s team in creating the false Trump-Russia conspiracy theory (2015/2016). Second, documents that highlight the activity of government officials targeting Donald Trump within the same timeframe (Crossfire Hurricane), that continued into 2017, 2018 and 2019 (Robert Mueller).
Think of the two sets of documents as evidence against two teams working in synergy. Team one (Clinton) was outside government. Team two (DOJ/FBI) was inside government. The documents pertain to both groups but are also divided. That helps to explain the wording of the memo above.
The documentary evidence against the outside group (Clinton et al) would also involve government documented evidence as the DOJ/FBI inside group interacted with them. Notes from interviews, materials provided, FBI 302 summaries of interviews, etc.
We can extract a lot of information on the first sets of evidence from the lawsuit filed by President Trump in March of this year, mostly against the outside actors. [LINK HERE]
The lawsuit was filed against specific persons and most of those persons were interviewed by the FBI as part of the originating investigation. Within the subjects of the lawsuit we find names and groups including:
Hillary Clinton, Hillary for America Campaign Committee, DNC, DNC Services Corp, Perkins Coie, Michael Sussmann, Marc Elias, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Charles Dolan, Jake Sullivan, John Podesta, Robby Mook, Phillipe Reines as well as Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson, Peter Fritsch, Nellie Ohr, Bruce Ohr, Orbis Business Intelligence, Christopher Steele, Igor Danchenko, Neustar Inc., Rodney Joffe, James Comey Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Kevin Clinesmith and Andrew McCabe.
In addition to being named in the lawsuit, many of those names were interviewed by the FBI as part of the origination of the Trump-Russia investigation, and/or part of the ongoing investigation of the Trump-Russia fabrication. Each of those interviews would carry an FD-302 report summarizing the content of the interview, the questions and answers given.
The totality of those 302 documents is a lot of evidence likely consisting of hundreds of pages.
For the government officials on the inside, in addition to 302’s (ex Bruce Ohr) there would be documents of communication between them.
Think about the full unredacted text messages between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok as an example. The DOJ publicly released over 600 pages of those text messages, and that wasn’t all of them. The text messages were also redacted, under claims of privacy and national security. We can assume any version of these text messages declassified by President Trump would not be redacted. Hence, you go back to the January 20th memo and see the notes about “privacy.”
We also know there are many pages of communication between DOJ lawyer Lisa Page and her boss in the FBI Andrew McCabe. Almost none of them were ever made public; but they exist. This internal communication is likely the type of material contained in both the “binder,” left for the DOJ to release, and the boxes at Mar-a-Lago to be used as evidence against the named defendants in the lawsuit.
Bruce Ohr has 302’s and emails relating to his involvement as a conduit between Fusion GPS and the FBI. Some of those were released in redacted form, and some of them were never released. Additionally, Nellie Ohr, Bruce’s wife, who worked at Fusion GPS invoked spousal privilege when called to testify before the House committee investigating the issues. However, it is almost certain the FBI interviewed her so there are likely 302’s on Nellie Ohr.
Chris Steele, Igor Danchenko and Rodney Joffe were also interviewed by the FBI. Those 302’s were never released. Presumably John Durham has stakeholder equity in that part of the Trump-Russia hoax, but the documentary evidence prior to January 20, 2021, that exists outside the special counsel could also be records at Mar-a-Lago.
Then we get to the big stuff…. The records and evidence in unredacted and declassified state, that would drive the DOJ-NSD to claim vital national security interests.
The NSA compliance officer notified NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers of unauthorized use of the NSA database by FBI contractors searching U.S. citizens during the 2015/2016 presidential primary. That 2016 notification is a classified record.
The response from Mike Rogers, and the subsequent documentary evidence of what names were being searched is again a classified record. The audit logs showing who was doing the searches (which contractors, which agencies and from what offices), as noted by Director Rogers, was preserved. That is another big-time classified record.
In addition, we would have Admiral Rogers writing a mandatory oversight notification to the FISA court detailing what happened. That’s a big and comprehensive classified record, likely contained in the documents in Mar-a-Lago… and then the goldmine, the fully unredacted 99-page FISA court opinion detailing the substance of the NSA compromise by FBI officials and contractors, including the names, frequency and dates of the illegal surveillance. That is a major classified document the Deepest Deep State would want to keep hidden.
These are the types of documents within what former ODNI John Ratcliffe called “thousands of pages that were declassified by President Trump,” and given to both John Durham and Main Justice with an expectation of public release when the Durham special counsel probe concluded.
In short, President Trump declassified documents that show how the institutions within the U.S. government targeted him. However, the institutions that illegally targeted President Trump are the same institutions who control the specific evidence of their unlawful targeting.
These examples of evidence held by President Donald Trump reveals the background of how the DC surveillance state exists. THAT was/is the national security threat behind the DOJ-NSD search warrant and affidavit.
The risk to the fabric of the U.S. government is why we see lawyers and pundits so confused as they try to figure out the disproportionate response from the DOJ and FBI, toward “simple records”, held by President Trump in Mar-a-Lago. Very few people can comprehend what has been done since January 2009, and the current state of corruption as it now exists amid all of the agencies and institutions of government.
Barack Obama spent 8 years building out and refining the political surveillance state. The operators of the institutions have spent the last six years hiding the construct.
President Donald Trump declassified the material then took evidence to Mar-a-Lago. The people currently in charge of managing the corrupt system, like Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco, Chris Wray and the Senate allies, are going bananas. From their DC perspective, Donald Trump is an existential threat.
Given the nature of their opposition, and the underlying motives for their conduct, there is almost nothing they will not do to protect themselves. However, if you peel away all the layers of lies, manipulations and corruption, what you find at the heart of their conduct is fear.
What do they fear most?…
…..THIS!
People forget, and that’s ok, but prior to the 2015 MAGA movement driven by President Donald J Trump, political rallies filled with tens-of-thousands of people were extremely rare; almost nonexistent. However, in the era of Donald J Trump the scale of the people paying attention has grown exponentially. Every speech, every event, every rally is now filled with thousands and thousands of people.
The frequency of it has made us numb to realizing just how extraordinary this is. But the people in Washington DC are well aware, and that makes President Trump even more dangerous. Combine that level of support with what they attempted in order to destroy him, and, well, now you start to put context on their effort.
The existence of Trump is a threat, but the existence of a Trump that could expose their corruption…. well, that makes him a level of threat that leads to a raid on his home in Mar-a-Lago.
Thank you Sundance. This is a very important article. We live in dangerous times.
Peter Navarro was hosting Steve Bannon’s WarRoom today and he threw Jared Kushner under the bus, saying he caused a lot of issues in the WH.
Lately I’ve been getting a bunch of beg emails from Jared and Ivanka promoting his book. Why does Trump let these two anywhere near fundraising? Do they really think they are popular in MAGA world?
I’m sure Navarro was telling the truth; however, discretion is the better part of valor and at times Navarro is just too upfront.
All he did was give folks ammunition against Trump.
I read in the book that Jared called Navarro eccentric. Jared didn’t like Bannon at all because everything seemed to end up in an explosion around him and said Bannon and Priebus were in cahoots trying to get rid of Jared. Eventually Priebus apologized – according to Jared – saying that he came to realize that Jared was just trying to protect Trump.
tlhoward I disagree, I do not think navarro is giving ammunition against Trump. –I agree that we want to show Discretion about family ties, yes, but the people have right to object, descretion not warranted, when Jared treats the people’s white house as a family business like the Trump Organization is a family business, made more complicated because jared’s personality tends to offend people. I think Navarro is merely stating out loud, that which should have been stated out loud long ago, but people are afraid that Trump will retaliate against anyone who voices objections, because he is fiercely emotional about protecting his family, and rightly so. —bottom line is, when we elect Trump again, we will be electing the family again, not just him, and it is difficult for the voters to comprehend
Perhaps Navarro never knew the entire drain the swamp plan.
Perhaps Jared’s alleged bad behavior -as Navarro perceived-
was to disarm Navarro
so as to not interrupt or foil
President Trump’s plan.
-?
Ffs, please….Jared is a problem. Anyone who feels compelled to write a book that’s in Pres Trump personal inner circle(yeah a son n’law is just that), he’s a POS. Simple.
Bannon was the one who really stabbed Trump in the back. There was no excuse for him to use Breitbart to attack Trump’s family. I don’t care if he was right or not. You don’t do that to you boss and you sure as hell don’t help some left wing author write a hit piece on your boss. That was a very very bad look and I”m not about to forget what happened.
Having said that, I like what Bannon is doing with his Warroom show but I would not rehire him if I were Trump.
Ammunition? LOL
The “pew pew” kind from a pointed index finger, I guess.
Navarro was exposing Jared’s ties to making money with the CCP while working against Trump’s wishes. That exposure , if true, needs to take place if Trump.wants to be president again. Kushner should go on to Bannon’s show and hash it out if he has the balls.
We need more straight talking Navarros…
I heard it too.
Kushner’s book makes the same charges vs Bannon and Navarro and a few others. Who is telling the truth?
Everyone has a different point of view but the fact is that Jared did get a lot done.
I just saw a clip of Jared Kushner talking about going to the gym and staying in shape because his generation is going to be the first to achieve immortality.
Now, maybe that’s a deep fake, maybe it’s edited.
But if he really said that and believes it, the implications are enormous.
For one thing, if immortality is achievable, then if everyone has access to immortality and also has kids, you really will have an overcrowded planet within two generations.
Depopulation agenda explained, anyone? Maybe 1 million immortals with strict procreation limits, everyone else a sterilized, limited breeding program population of slaves. That is the only way that works out.
Actually I saw something about that yesterday. Interesting since he had thyroid cancer. But they do say that eventually some will break the age barriers we’ve known.
They will never extend life beyond 125 years unless they figure out brain transplants and how to download/upload to the new brains. Grey matter and midbrain tissues slowly start liquefying/shrinking by 90 years (assuming one is disease-free), and most individuals have hardly any immune system left by age 100. That’s why living beyond 110 is so rare. Human bodies eventually lose the ability to manufacture white blood cells to fight infections, and to regulate the size/stability of red cells. Once that process hits major organs, it’s game over.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature19793.epdf?sharing_token=GXoHn4Z1ugsM6-9s8nESc9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0NaeAfTo_8KPL7qkW5IHjfsgcOvp8jaXnaJfg2GBkTW11mT4zeFqifU2igEuAIH-wCnwnAinRfx5trUENHH8bg4ADEUFWqiZYjroCFuOTFmO40AFFfDliMNuOOiDAnWcOAXm6UCm2iR1BVaITa4BC7d-jqV5XGxElCVL1lIuhdvkg%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=www.livescience.com
Life expectancy for whites is falling. I expect that to get worse along with the heightened levels of animosity and discrimination toward white middle class and blue collars. Despair is a killer.
Sounds like something Elon Musk and his 6, 7, 8 kids would be into, doesn’t it? Not to mention Yuval Noah Hariri. Right up his alley.
There is only 1 technology in this world that would be more disruptive than zero point energy, and that is a restoration to some of mankind of the kind of lifespan the Bible says (and the list of Sumerian kings says?) existed before Noah.
He’s a fool If he believes that.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.
Exactly. Technocrats and trans-humanists scramble to find an escape from the inevitable. Judgment.
Immortality isn’t all good.
a. Parking fees at the mall will explode!
b. Its just a convoluted way of stopping the dead voter registration cleanup.
🤣 🤣 🤣
Anti-semitic much?
Transhumanism.
True. But I wonder – at what cost to the President’s teams’ cohesiveness and effectiveness?
PDJT managed to get some amazing things accomplished but I wonder how much more might have been done in the Administration without the immature ego-driven drama among his politically-inexperienced advisors.
but look where politically experienced advisors gets us
Civics 101, the executive branch has the sole authority to declassify information… Period.
We are watching lower level agencies with no authority dictate what a sitting president can and cannot declassify.
In a word.. Treason.
Right now, Rope manufacturing should be a good investment.
I have always favored firing squads. Quick and inexpensive. Move along to the next group of traitors. Volunteer sharpshooters abound.
YES. In a word.. just another day in The Swamp.
If you haven’t noticed yet, there is no longer rule of law. None of what is written down on centuries old parchment matters if there is no will or desire by those with power to enforce it.
The courts do not matter, ultimately, as the “left” and uniparty ignore them at will. The only people who respect the courts and laws (at their own peril) are traditional working Americans. Alas, they’re slow to catch on to that the game is now being played without a rule book at their expense.
The county has passed the threshold into some form of plutocracy wearing the drag of socialism.
As I said. The redacted affidavit provides NO probable cause. It only provides blabber we all knew or that is irrelevant to the actual probable cause. We KNOW no more today than we did yesterday. That much is right there to see. The next is my guess that we will not see anything relevant to anything until charges are filed. If charges are NOT filed, DOJ and FBI are in the doo doo soup.
The envelope surrounding all government efforts targeting PDT from 2015 until now center on protecting the criminally corrupt Kenyan. Pervert Weiner’s laptop contains mountains of evidence of criminal conduct by the evil hag with the blue dress staining husband, however, that laptop also contains evidence of the kenyan’s criminality. He obviously emailed the evil hag therefore he was just as guilty as she was/is in using a private email device. My guess is there’s far more evidence of criminality by the Kenyan on that laptop than a few emails. He was/is a criminal. All of the targeting of PDT ultimately comes back to protecting the Kenyan
Kenyan? Why LFW is no more Kenyan than you or I. His mama was American and so was his daddy, frankie davis. LFW= little f*cking weasel.
Follow the Rico suite. That is the Genesis, and the Achilles heel, and “The Art of the Deal”. Popcorn is good investment I hear.
Sundance tweets….
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1563249787389878272.html
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20 years per EACH copy
Calling Rove a “Knucklehead” is REALLY being charitable….
“Oh, don’t be such a Karl Rove” needs to start “trending”, as the kids say.
I hate to tell the armchair quarterbacks here bu comments and our opinions don’t mean a thing to people who want power despite what you think. We have a way out of tyranny and we won’t use it. Heck we don’t even get in the streets. Remember the three kinds of people. Those who watch what happens, those who make things happen and those who wonder what happened! I am fairly sure the road is paved with good intentions but we fall into the last category!
Without the “hothead”of Sam Adams and few others, the intellectuals of the American Patriot movement in the prelude to the AR of 1776 would still be intellectualizing and the average citizen would still be cowering to the anyone in a Red Coat or friend to the Crown.
Say hi to Ray Epps willya?
Tell that to all the conservative parents who just flipped half a dozen school boards to conservative in FL.
And they straight out won more seats on already conservative boards in about 20 states.
Hey, I agree, why dont you start the movement to get us out of our armchairs and marching with you. I’m all in.
Are you familiar with the hundreds of political prisoners being neglected and basically tortured in the DC jail? They are being made an example of so others won’t be so bold.
If we had only 10% of the 74 million plus that voted for President Trump that think like you, we could turn this fiasco around. God is watching us, and I wonder what He wishes us to do. Perhaps we should pray for the answer.
Sounds like you’re trying to imply / suggest using violence.
Go back to your bosses in the FBI and tell them it won’t work here.
Ditto … just what the Feds want, violence; we are too smart for that bait.
I guess you could use your firearms to commit suicide rather than submit to tyranny.
There is a difference between advocating for the defense of Liberty and advocating for the overthrow of government through revolution. The framers of our constitution understood human nature well and knew that Liberty must be defended at all costs. No one I know advocates for violent revolution. They do, however, advocate for a return to the rule of law and a much more streamlined government that truly represents its citizens. We no longer have a representative Republic. What we have now is an all-powerful, omniscient, administrative state. I don’t think that’s what the framers had in mind.
When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
Are you talking about me again😎
I love PDJT as much as anyone, but…
Why didn’t PDJT give a live press release WHILE he was President announcing his legal right to declassify on command, then release to the public all the documents on RussiaGate? Instead, he waited until his last day in office to act on perhaps the most important thing on his to-do list?
And, I must have missed all the security video that Jr. said was going to be released. Tik Toc.
Eric Trump just said on Truth Social that video would be released at the right time.
#twoweeks. Like everything else.
Asked and answered
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/part-3-why-did-the-doj-and-fbi-execute-the-raid-on-trump-a-culmination-of-four-years-of-threats-and-betrayals/
Damn you’re good!
Worth rereading the above link by Sundance.
If for one minute you believe DeSantis,
or ANYONE, could’ve withstood the
barage of attacks by 99.9% of the Uniparty
as Commander in Chief – you are DELUSIONAL.
Only one man could handle the concentrated
artillery bombardment, 24/7/365 x 4 years in
office – and his name is President Donald J. Trump.
He did not wait, his Chief of Staff did. Ask him that question please. President TRUMP Gave orders to Bill Barr almost Day 1 to declassify these docs.
Why do people still second guess Trump and his tactics after he’s fought off 6 years of attacks from the the most corrupt and dangerous people in the world and government and they’ve not laid a finger on him yet? He knows what he’s doing, just let Trump do Trump and we will eventually get some comfort and victory.
because most people either fail or do not wish to use the brain God gave them….they are reactive and think themselves deep thinkers when they do so
I doubt President Trump wants to be openly visible at the most since Herrick said if they can’t get him to not run fir President their next plan would be to kill him. Constant prayers and excellent physical protections are much needed for the Trump family. CIA murdered JFK so they are not above murdering anyone.
President Trump probably didn’t anticipate the ridiculous accusations and the raid. No one did. Obama has 33 million records sitting in a storage facility near Chicago.
The US Civil Code Titles 22 and 18, presidential records act of 1978 ( Carter a democrat) and Obama’s executive order # 13526 all basically state that presidents and EX presidents can classify anything they want and keep any records they want.
Tom Fitton from Judicial Watch also brought suit against Bill Clinton a decade ago for some tapes that were classified, yet retained by Billy Boy after he left office. That case is practically identical to the situation with Trump, and it was summarily dismissed by the judge. It’s now precedent that all records taken with a President when he leaves are PRESUMED personal presidential records, even when the documents / materials are classified.
The fraudulent 2020 election adjudication and the Mar-a-Lago raid are playing out on the American public stage at the local outdoor summer theater.
The audience is made up of mainly MAGAs from all 50 states but surprisingly there are numerous members of the judiciary and the military in attendance. Absent are the democrats / GOPe and XX.
We are just about to start the first act. You still have time to grab your popcorn.
Gives new meaning to the sobriquet “Bull Durham”…
“Inch by inch everything’s a cinch”
That’s a favorite of the left but it works both ways. MAGA is an infant as far as a political movement. It’s going against entrenched political forces that have a 100 + year head start. This is not going to be corrected by one man in 4-8-12 years no matter how awesome. It’s going to take time.
Again for me this is an ultimate display of desperation. If they won 2020 with the corpse and his 81million votes, “ABSURD”, they wouldn’t give a damn what President Trump says or does.
Normally people that go up against the swamp go away one way or another, if you get my inference, but this brash New Yorker just will not quit. It’s making the swamp freak out. I believe we are getting the upper hand, if you look at the frauds aka swamp rats, enemy MSM, sorry for the redundancy, they just drone on and on about whatever the most recent swamp gas is and every day, more people are seeing it and waking up.
“The best is yet to come”.
MAGA! …again and keep it that way.
Stan, your the Man.
You get the most flak when you are over the target.
Spot on Stan. Only critics of pdjt are the ones that have no understanding of where we are as a country and the challenges he’s faced since June 2015. He’s remarkable, and I can’t begin to fathom what he’s endured. He almost makes it look too easy.
Anyone at CTH knows, the questioners are the ignorant (respectfully). I’m referring to copies, timing, releasing, not releasing, pressers, shouldas couldas etc etc. we are now finding the covid “leaders” flat out lied to not only pdjt but lied to the American people. The only question is “why”. Why did they lie to pdjt and why did they lie to us? Instead, some focus on the pdjt response. Staggering. What an incredible time in our history.
I think Ben Franklin said the REPUBLIC requires moral people in government. These people are not moral. It’s that simple.
Here’s an interesting–possibly related–tidbit. The KKKlintons are at it, again!
Jeffrey Epstein business partner Steven Hoffenberg presumed dead at Connecticut home (msn.com)
This dude is literally wearing a Clinton/Gore baseball cap. Hahaha.
“Epstein worked with Hoffenberg at Towers Financial, a debt collection agency that was later exposed as a Ponzi scheme. Hoffenberg spent 18 years in prison for running the scandal, which federal authorities described as one of the biggest in history prior to Bernie Madoff’s scheme.
Epstein got off scot free and became a notorious sex trafficker of teenage girls. He was eventually charged with several sex crimes and died by suicide in Manhattan federal jail in August 2019. Many people theorized that Epstein acquired some of his expansive wealth in the Towers Financial scandal.
In 2016, Hoffenberg sued Epstein and claimed that he was a “co-conspirator” in the Ponzi scheme. In 2019, he said in an interview that the two worked side-by-side every day.
Hoffenberg also briefly owned the New York Post in 1993, but his reign lasted only three months before the house of cards collapsed.”
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All true, plus it was not necessarily retrieval of ALL copies of materials that was the objective of the raid. It is just as important to create a list of materials actually held by President Trump is compiled to help with “Political” Damage Assessment.
A quick word on declassification via copies of a document. The cover sheets of any Classified Materials lists declassification instructions and part of those instructions is the a phrase Declassify OADR … or
Declassify Originating Agency’s Determination Required.
Given the President of the US has overall “ORIGINATING AUTHORITY” for ALL classified materials, President Trump could ORDER declassification of material based on a copy he has in his possession. Now it comes down to EVERYBODY holding the original and copies of materials ordered declassified FOLLOWING the correct process to document the decision as well as to link it to the PRESIDENTIAL ORDER. This is where Document Logs and Cover Sheets enter the process as crucial to the matter of the warrant/affidavit. Portion markers are also a key technicality but the Cover Sheet and Log are the critical required parts of the documentation as they list declassifying authority, level of new classification (if any) and date of declassification a well as any special disposition instructions.
Actually … “none of this ‘obligatory paperwork’ is required” of exactly one(!) person: “The President.™”
If “The President™ orders,” then his order stands … period.
The President™ does not have to “document” anything. It also does not matter whether any government minion did their job correctly if he did “document it.”
If he says that he did it [while in office], then: “he did.”
The Supreme Court decision, Navy v. Egan,¨ made the matter perfectly clear: that none of “the rules or procedures” apply to The President.™
Furthermore, “former Presidents” retain the very-highest level of “security clearance.” And, “all of their self-deemed ‘personal papers'” retain that same level of clearance.
FLAT WRONG his word is just a DECISION TO ACT.
Navy v Egan DOES NOT EXEMPT the president from following the requirements in Federal Codes to properly exercise authority.
The narrow question presented by this case is whether the Merit Systems Protection Board (Board) has authority by statute to review the substance of an underlying decision to deny or revoke a security clearance in the course of reviewing an adverse action. The Board ruled that it had no such authority.
In Department of Navy v. Egan, 484 U.S. 518 (1988), the Supreme Court recognized that the Executive Branch has exclusive authority to determine the fitness of individuals for security clearance.
Egan actually stated the Navy Followed their process with respect to clearances as there was zero mentioned about NOT FOLLOWING procedure.
… but the United States Constitution did. As the Supreme Court itself was very careful to point out in Navy v. Eagan.
“The President of the United States” is(!!) “The Executive Branch.” In its entirety. Every “executive branch department” derives its authority from: “him or her.”
“The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.”
The President is the only “diplomatic face” of the nation, albeit with restricted powers: (Article 2, Section 2):
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, […]
In other words, this single(!) person has prerogatives that absolutely no one else on earth has, for the entire duration of his tenure.
What part of Proper Execution of Authority DO YOU NOT GET???
The Court clearly states has the authority or power TO ACT ONLY.
The Constitution and associated FEDERAL CODES define proper execution of Authority and POWER and the Court DID NOT exempt the Executive Branch from proper execution per the Constitution and LAW.
Because: “the Constitution” is one thing, and “the Federal Codes” are another.
Like it or not, “the Office of the President,” and therefore its then-present occupant, is(!!) “a Branch of Government.” The Constitution, in any and in all of its “Articles,” specified a separation of powers while never ranking them.
And, while both the Legislative and the Judicial Branches consist of multiple people, the Executive Branch literally consists of one. While this one person’s powers are Constitutionally limited, they are ultimately vested in only one person. (As “Eagan” unquestionably confirmed.)
“Federal Codes” are a Legislative Branch work-product. And they therefore apply to every person in this nation except one, when he or she stands in the Constitutional exercise of The Office. (Which duties include: “classification and declassification of sensitive information.”)
FEDERAL CODES are LAW and no where is the President Exempted from the LAW.
The president is not a dictator but is subject to the Constitution that also obligates him to follow the law. The courts decide if the law oversteps.
In this matter the courts have not ruled if related codes are an over reach.
I was just about to say the sane Mike- all executive branches derive their authority from the President. The President per the Constitution is the Executive branch.
we have discussed this ad nasuam and your failure to recognize the OBVIOUS does not mean it is not obvious just your failure
How have I failed??
It is yourself and the other hopium smokers who utterly fail to realize that the Constitution and Law DEFINE proper execution of authority and power. The President is NOT EXEMPT from those definitions.
Hopefully President Trump has lawyers with more than the thimble full of brains you have or he’d better order his designer orange jump suit.
And that’s how you know you won the argument, personal insults, LOL. I refuse to put the sarcasm tag at the end so lighten up Francis
Dear Ad Rem, I long for a block button. Life is too short to have to put up with wind up merchants.
Is that you LawFare?
Having a clearance means zero … it is how Authority Exercised under than clearance, which is the very real legal question.
The Executive, that is the President, derives his power as explicitly stated in the Constitution.
If the legislative branch decides to try to restrict those powers as enumerated in the Constitution, then the SCOTUS decision Navy v Eagan speaks to that conflict and the ruling favors the Executive.
Is that clearer?
Seems pretty clear to me…
Thanks ..
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In the Mike Davis thread, PreacherPatriot1776 had some fun with thedocoo. You might say thedocoo was not so chatty as a result.
Every village needs an idiot. Thanks for performing a vital service.
Durham is there permanently, so the government can say it’s an on going investigation and if Trump releases anything they can again prosecute him! I hope they didn’t find anything!
Sundance’s assertion , which I have no doubt is accurate -that GOPe / Old Crow etc, all in on the plan ( not unlike billy bush tape during election -Remember ratzo Ryan’s claim he made that Thursday or Friday “May have a new nominee after this weekend “ )… Anyway that explains Ron’s basic – silence – they told him to stay quiet -and he did …Anybody who doesn’t see that Ron’s play is to surf on this and see where it goes is kidding themselves – ambitious but not innocent by a long stretch
Can someone please try to answer what I think is an obvious question?
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If, in fact, the documents SD is speculating ARE at the root of all of this DOJ/FBI malfeasance are docs that expose the corruption…
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and IF, in fact, Trump declassified them before leaving office….
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then WHY doesn’t Trump just release them all and expose the corruption?
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Or in other words….why keep them hidden from wethe people?
asked and answered….
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/part-3-why-did-the-doj-and-fbi-execute-the-raid-on-trump-a-culmination-of-four-years-of-threats-and-betrayals/
Thank you!
Your post brilliantly covers the history during PDJT’s presidency better than anywhere, but L4’s question still stands. Trump declassified on Jan 19, 2021. Why didn’t PDJT release them in the last 18 months?
Anytime would have been good, but certainly the same day Trump’s legal team filed the RICO suit against Hillary et. al., would have been prudent.
The uncomfortable reality is that PDJT:
If they are after the Russian collusion documents to see what Trump has over Hillary and everyone else in his lawsuit, it would be pretty stupid for Trump to keep those documents in his personal residence.
They would have to raid his attorney’s office which they can’t do because there is no special counsel investigating him this time.
Rudy and Eastman would beg to differ
Why didn’t Trump release all these documents? To me he waited too long.
asked and answered MANY times
If the Democrat Party’s DoJ-FBI arm indicts Trump, the documents/data the indictment is based on has to be produced as evidence and be put on the record. If as Sundance asserts, the documents are the proof of DoJFBI RussiaGate plots and malfeasance, the DoJ-FBI can’t release it and their case dies. Therefore, they are not going to indict him and this is all cheap PR tricks, exactly as Trump just said.
I am dying for Trump to reveal that the Mar-a-Lago episode is a plot to hide the government’s prior coup against a President and to interfere with our Presidential elections AGAIN. We can’t have a free country and partisan political police operating in secret. NSD has got to go.
Thank you, Sundance.
I believe they will stop at nothing to prevent President Trump from exposing them and from running again. I believe they probably already have and will again attempt murder if that is what it takes.
The federal government in the construct that it is now in, is evil and an enemy of the people.
I would assume all these docs have been attorney reviewed and most likely supporting evidence in his big RICO case. A lot of eyes have probably read these DECLASSIFIED documents.
I watched the Rove interview shortly after the document was released and I really wanted to throw my tv out of a window when he said “No other President in history took such documents” (paraphrase), did he forget the Clinton docs and the Obama docs? Come on, the Establishment idiots are not even trying to cover up anything any longer. They just create the narrative they want and spew the lie in hopes it sticks
Rove oozes GoPe and he is probably still smarting over ,in effect , being bitch slapped by seeing Liz. Cheney’s wipe out and he HATES President Trump even more , if that is at all possible ….
weren’t there like 3M pages of digital data removed from the WH by the Kenyan usurper?
Rove selectively forgot that when he spoke today. It’s frustrating
Yes, the purple lipped creature from Kenya.
Like his fat ass personally knows all documents taken by all previous presidents. F’ing little weasel needs to be kicked right in his pussy.
I hate him in case it wasn’t obvious.
I believe there are some 6,000 documents that W took in dispute.
Then Obama said hold my beer and took everything, millions of documents
Rove knows this, he is simply hoping the viewing audience doesn’t.
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Now we know what this is all about! Page 7 of the affidavit, under 18 USC 2071(b), “and be disqualified from holding office under the United States. The same unit that investigated the Russia Hoax wants to keep 45 from running for President again!
Reading the statute and revisions, I’m sure they would try to apply that standard but I’m not sure it would apply to this situation other than trying to stain his candidacy. Of course that’s the goal and judge shopping might make it a legal battle to try to tie Trump’s hands while making a 2024 run.
I have a feeling there are too many of us MAGA folks now to allow that to fly.
I’m still convinced that investigations and a possible indictment late in 2023 are the goals right now to try to wear Trump out in order to keep him out, but God Bless his soul, it seems the more they attack him, the more fuel it gives him to fight for us and us for him. Let’s hope that continues for next couple years.
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The Constitution delineates the requirements to run for President.
Congress cannot pass a law that changes the Constitution.
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If the national archives wants these documents all they have to do is call the DOJ and FBI and ask. No need to involve Pres. Trump at all. Easy Peasy.
This. I’ve said this before. Trump does not hold the single copy of any of these documents.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/fox-news-runs-hit-piece-warning-trump-raid-justified-just-one-reason-network-helped-install-joe-biden-continues-dominate-ratings/
This sounds like the Eff-Bee-Eye is trying to seize the evidence in the case or raise a ruckus/bring charges against Trump to try to stop the case against Hillrotten Clinton and Øbastid and Comey – regarding the spygate/fake Russia collusion scheme.
They and their fellow schemers are guilty as H-LL!!!
MidTerm elections – DEMS want rid of Trump and all of his semi-fascists, chumps, Deplorables, Gun toting, Bible thumping voters at all costs!
It ain’t going to happen.
It’d be interesting to know Grenelle’s advice/role in all of this.
Well what did they think was in POTUS safe? Since they didn;t find anything
there..will they now go to have a look at Bedminster and Trump Tower
I would assume POTUS must have safes in both of those residences.
I can;t believe POTUS really did
leave his only copies of whatever at MAL. then left then attended while
he is away from home for months? He wouldn;t really be that naive would he?
To think they would be safe in his double locked room while he is away from
his residence for months..
Learn to parse gubmint speak, folks.
The affidavit’s readable parts assert that documents “marked” Confidential, secret or top secret were found. The affidavit DID NOT say that they were in fact confidential, secret or top secret. It is nearly a tacit admission of the President’s powers to declassify and take.
The 5th Amendment Right against self incrimination applies only to individuals. Not government bureaucratic agencies.
They are scared. Very scared. This will get nasty.
Prayers for our valiant President and our Republic.
We shall see. EO 12356 (originated with Pres Reagan in 1982) covers the landscape for classification. The key players are Original Classification Authorities (OCAs) when it comes to declassifying. The President is not the only OCA.
There is this interesting qualification in the EO:
“(a) In no case shall information be classified in order to conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error; to prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency; to restrain competition; or to prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of national security.”
This doesn’t get stated nearly enough.
This DOJ/FBI cover up looks like a mountain. Watergate looks like a grain of sand in comparison.
Mike Davis’ interview on Fox regarding the Affidavit. He lamblasts and cuts DOJ, FJB and WH off at the knees. Davis was an aid to Grassley and a law clerk for J. Gorsuch.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6311442348112?playlist_id=938973798001#sp=show-clips
This analysis gave me one of those “Aha!” moments: Trump declassified the copies of certain, and the order trickled down to the FBI and DOJ who refused to comply with the order by declassifying the originals. This then gave them the pretext to go before a judge and claim that Trump was keeping classified documents at his residence.
Such a dirty business.
You know you’ve reached the point of tyranny when those charged with prosecuting the crimes, are also those committing them.
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If I were President Trump’s team, I would make the Pelosi wraparound smear video a nationwide advertisement played over again and again, including the affidavit segments that refer to media stories involved in the affidavit.
I hear expert comments that the Justice Department used media stories, in some cases, as grounds for the raid.
The Wraparound Smear Affidavit if true. So very sad.
My main question to Sundance or anyone else:
Does John Durham have a copy of these documents?
As far as I know John Durham was provided a copy of all of these. In fact Trump declassified the documents, but ordered they not be released until after Durham’s investigation is complete. I presume that was based on advice from Bill Barr.
“… the documents held by President Trump in his Mar-a-Lago home are documents showing malfeasance and targeting by the DOJ and FBI surrounding the false accusations of a Trump-Russia collusion case.”
Why in the world would Trump believe he could “hide” documents that could bring down the deep statge in his home? Makes NO SENSE!
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“This should not be a surprise.”
It’s way more than a surprise. It’s idiotic!
So, either Trump has all these documents still and is still waiting to release them after two years and all while the country reels from oppression and economic collapse, or he never had them, or he just lost them.
None of this makes any sense. Pretty much par for the course.
The Dems used force to take the Presidency in 2020. Politics works like that.
This story has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime. Would be more profitable to go chop some more wood than to follow this never-ending Trump saga any longer.
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“Dems used force to take the Presidency in 2020. Politics works like that.”
force = politics?
force = jail
Here we go again…. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11149921/FBI-probing-Ukrainian-immigrant-posed-Rothschild-heiress-Mar-Lago.html
There is a amended lawsuit filed against Hillary on June 21st…https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.610157/gov.uscourts.flsd.610157.177.0_3.pdf
It’s stunning the stupidity of Karl Rove, the GOPe, and Fox News – after 6 years of DOJ and FBI fraud and malfeasance, fake news, and gaslighting people are oh so wise to their manipulation.
How does Trump and his team not have all of these de-classified documents at a hidden, neutral site to be organized in written/documentary film/digital form, for the MASSES to consume? TELL THE STORY already!
Another president was of the people and would draw a multitude to hear him speak. So Democrats plotted, got Abraham Lincoln to run on a unity ticket with a Democrat as his vice-president. Then Democrats murdered him and took back the presidency. The problem is not the FBI or the CIA or the IRS or how the evil genius Obama remastered their corrupt uses. The problem for the last 200 years is the Democrat party. You can can get rid of the FBI or the IRS etc and the Democrats will create and fund other corrupted institutions. The target is to get rid of the Democrat party and they are handing out the tools to their own demise while they have the opposition focused on the trees and not on the forest.
Does PDJT have copies of Comeys “Memos to self” he wrote as a self-serving insurance policy, should TPTB ever try to throw him under the bus?
ANY explanation for HOW these *sshats could have discussed, planned, mulled and made the decision to execute this raid, and from their responce, fully confident that PDJT woukd not make the raid public?
Such a major tactical and strategic error can not be explained by stupidity or “inside bubble thinking”.
It is absolutely clear, from how they responded when PDJT did make it public, that they were unprepared.
In all those discussions and deliberations, did nobody say “WHAT IF PDJT announces the raid?”
Or, shouldn’t we have SOME kind of “cover story”, just in case it becomes public?
By their actions, it seems they were 100 percent CERTAIN that it would NOT become public.
Is it not than logical that that same mindset would be in play, when they wrote the affidavit and warrant, and picked the magistrate?
All true , they were probably going to leak “Raid in progress” to CNN camera crew for breaking news big event etc , But President Trump announced raid from the get go and the opened empty safe etc . Plus I think they were caught off guard when President Trump refused to turn off cameras , they probably had to call back to DC for instructions as to what to do next and if they could still go into Melanie’s closet (sarcasm)
I.e, let the MSM run wild with the story if they had leaked while in progress … can you imagine the hysteria If all the networks broke in on that story ? no need for any explanation /discussion – ongoing investigation blah blah all the rest would have been taken care of by water carrying MSM breathless reporting . President Trump fortunately stole their thunder by boldly announcing raid and how crazy it was – hence all the ongoing/changing modified limited hangouts by DC for a week …
Judge Bruce Reinhart Who Is Overseeing Trump Raid Suit Slapped With Ethics Complaint
https://resistthemainstream.org/judge-overseeing-trump-raid-hit-with-major-complaint/?utm_source=telegram
So they have three options at this point: 1.) indict, prosecute, and convict Trump, 2.) make Trump so politically toxic that his support falls off a cliff, or 3.) “remove” Trump.
And Options #1 and #2 ain’t gonna happen. In fact, #1 and #2 been their only two non-lethal options for a very, very long time. Since the beginning, of course. And they’re out of runway on #1 and #2 at this point… this FBI Panty Raid is their last chance to criminalize and stain Trump.
Or #4 perpetual ongoing investigation, just to conceal the documents.
Right… but with the specific intent of achieving Option #2… which has not worked for many years now. Trump’s support today as probably higher than it’s every been, if you factor in Black men (and hopefully a goodly chunk of women), Latinos across the board, other minorities, and… when it comes right down to Trump being the GOP choice against ______________ [fill in the blank]… those infamous White Suburban College Educated Women.
$1.85/gal gas is $1.85 gas. Simple as that.
responding to j x, I agree with you. if they press charges/indict then they must show trump the evidence against him to protect his rights under disclosure clause of the 6th amendment… by keeping it as perpetual ongoing investigation without charges, they will just try to insinuate and leak and smudge his reputation; however, this has backfired. I think that those pages and pages of blackouts are enough to outrage the world. the PR game has backfired on the DOJ; Trump is winning in the court of public opinion. all he has to do is flash copies of these blacked out pages at his next rally and the crowd will roar
option #2 has backfired. in my opinion, it is the DOJ/FBI, not Trump, which has made themselves so politically toxic that their support has fallen off the cliff. it is a joke now! design t-shirts
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/president-trump-releases-one-best-shortest-statements-yet/
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Oversight, Oversight, Oversight.
Secrets in government are poison.
Have to say… was thinking earlier… this post may be Sundance’s best summary-level outline to date. It ties everything together from 2015 to last week.
Trump has had these incrimination documents at his home for 18 months. Why haven’t they been made public to expose the criminality of the DOJ/FBI, Obama, Hillary etc? The longer they remain hidden the greater the likelihood they are never made public and the bad guys get hold of them and destroy them. I don’t get why Trump has done nothing with them.
So the Durham probe was simply part of the bag thrown over these documents so Biden could later overrule Trump’s declassification order before release.