West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin was on every Sunday talk show today (CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox) responding to his reversal of position on the Build Back Better legislative package (Green New Deal spending) that is part of the senate budget reconciliation bill. There is something very interesting in his justification. [Do not skim read this, all citations included]
Fox News Brett Bair does the best job challenging Manchin on his prior statements saying there would be no spending deal without first seeing the August inflation data. [LINK]. Manchin never answered that hypocrisy directly but says there are two components of the deal, two parts of a new future legislative bill, that brought him to the agreement on the $370 billion current spend.
The current Senate bill is a reconciliation bill, meaning it involves taxes and spending – AND ONLY taxes and spending, because the bill originated in the House.
The constitutional framework for taxes & spending requires the House to originate all spending bills. If a desired additional measure does not involve taxes and spending (a budgetary impact) it cannot be added to a reconciliation bill. The senate must originate a new bill and then send it to the House.
According to Manchin the deal between himself, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden includes his support for the current green energy spending, in exchange for two new items in future legislation: 1) Streamlined energy permitting/regulation; and 2) Increased development of Oil, Coal, Gas. Both of these pieces of legislation have to be handled in a separate Senate bill.
According to Manchin, his agreement to the current spending bill was contingent upon a promise that: (A) Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer will generate a new bill for streamlined energy permitting and increased oil, gas and coal development; (B) House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will take up the Senate bill and whip enough of her House Democrat membership to join with Republicans in support of that Senate bill; and (C) Joe Biden will sign that increased energy production bill.
Here’s the important part. Senator Manchin claims he has leverage over Biden, Pelosi and Schumer to ensure a new bill with those priorities is created and advanced. Manchin further claims there are “consequences” for Biden, Pelosi and Schumer if they were to renege on the deal. He is quite emphatic about that point if you listen to the NBC interview.
Now ask yourself…. What leverage would Senator Manchin have over Biden, Schumer and Pelosi that would ensure they would not double-cross him?
There is only one Occam’s razor answer:
Joe Manchin threatened to switch political parties if any of them reneged on the deal.
The NBC interview with Chuck Todd questioning Joe Manchin is very interesting. It is actually the best interview of all five conducted, in part because it seems like Chuck Todd has full knowledge of the Manchin threat component.
Manchin was challenged in three of the five interviews about this promised future legislative component. In each of the interviews Manchin affirms and reaffirms there would be consequences if Schumer, Pelosi and Biden try to renege on the deal. However, it is the Meet the Press Chuck Todd interview that really gets in deeper and overlays some sunlight on this issue.
WATCH at 04:03 of the video below, Chuck Todd has knowledge of the “deal” in detail and pushes Manchin on his “consequences” statement. Then watch the very end of this interview (09:05) when Chuck Todd tries to pin Manchin down on the importance of Democrats holding the Senate. Chuck Todd knows the unspoken threat that Manchin outlines as consequences.
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Chuck Todd knows the “consequences”. He tried to pin Manchin down. Manchin obfuscated.
You put it all together and it starts making sense.
Senator Joe Manchin cut a deal for removal of regulatory roadblocks to current energy programs and expanded energy development. Schumer has to generate the legislation permitting faster investment in current oil, gas, coal. Nancy Pelosi has to pass it in the House. Joe Biden has to sign it and change EPA/Interior Dept policy. In exchange for that, Joe Manchin has agreed to the $370 billion green new deal energy spending programs.
If Schumer, Pelosi or Biden renege, then Manchin switches parties and the Senate flips into Republican control immediately. That’s his leverage.
Someone needs to ask Manchin: (A) what is the timeframe for the new legislative package; and (B) is this an accurate assessment of the “consequences” he outlined.
Here’s the other interviews:
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https://youtu.be/EL7SsWH3HgE
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Chuck Schumer to Joe Manchin: I will gladly pay you Tuesday for your vote today.
Hah! That’s a Wimpy comment.
Manchirian.
upChuck Todd knows but doesn’t blow it out of the water.
Hmm….
More proof that Todd is a political player and not a journalist.
Did you watch the video to the end? There was a big wave and it was exposed.
Just seeing the faces of the the interviewers makes me repulse with disgust. Toe Tapper most of all.
Nancy has a quantifiable history of screwing people over, even in her own party.
Manchin may think he has leverage, but Nancy knows he really doesn’t.
Manchin switching to R is no different than people on Fox changing to CNN.
In the end he will end up despised by everyone.
It will be interesting to see if he can get the Dems to cut regs and encourage oil companies…. And will the oil companies trust it… and invest anyway… At this point they will have to throw some type of incentives in for them to go whole hog in…
But yeah, Manchin is running for President… not sure which party
Petroleum exploration is expensive, time-consuming, and HIGH-RISK. For a business to invest in that needs BUSINESS CERTAINTY/STABILITY.
These dumbasses act as if all this is just moving the pieces on the board, which can change overnight.
Will not help ANYTHING.
He can vote with Romney, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowsky, Ben Sasse, John Cornyn & the rest of the RINOS & feel right at home voting w/Democrats.
Right. Manchin would at best just be another RINO “Republican’.
Me thinks he might run for POTUS in 24.
Manchin has no chance to be President, dems don’t like him and repubs think he is two-faced.
He’s saving his seat while appealing to centrists – hence the mention of this new party for centrists.
It appears there is a belief that most dems are not radical. Appearing more centrist pulls people away from the D party, but that is the same collection of people who have been working for decades to get us to this place.
He can not become a Republican but become a member of this new centrist party and still have leverage and position himself as the centrist for president.
Doesn’t end the WEFer program, just minimized pushback.
Might be. Listening to his deflections and public servant rhetoric – I thought the same thing.
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How many days did it take Manchin to come up with this attempted damage control campaign?
(Doesn’t Chuck Todd resemble something you might catch in a snap trap?)
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I had heard from an Energy insider that Manchin was promised pipelines that would get W.Virginia fracked Natural Gas to Market. This report seems consistent with that.
He is trading make believe energy for real energy.
This make believe (green) energy is too expensive and still unrealistic.
Senators make lousey presidential candidates.
And worse presidents.
They left out Sinema from these negotiations. Isn’t she going to feel slighted?
Have to admit that Joe is saving us from the globalists’ suicide mission to end fossil fuels before we are ready, tho I do not care much for the price WE are paying
He wants to run for president
He’s a slippery little eel.
In the last part of the interview, Chuck asks him if he wants Democrats to win, he doesn’t answer.
He’ll end up as the RNC’s presidential favorite
Everyone who believes this West-By-God-Virginian is PRESIDENTIAL material, raise your hand.
Lucy and the football trick.
Recall Dims promised border security in exchange for Regan signing amnesty bill. How’d that work out???
The Reagan Amnesty Of 2.7 Million Illegal Immigrants Was Paired With The Promise Of Controlling The Border
“The Reagan amnesty of 2.7 million illegal immigrants was paired with the promise of controlling the border and penalizing employers who hire illegal immigrants. The legislation was better known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, named for its sponsors, Simpson and then-Rep. Romano Mazzoli, D-Ky.
The problem with the 1986 law was that the promised enforcement didn’t occur, but the amnesty did…”
https://religiopoliticaltalk.com/reagan-regretted-trusting-democrats-regarding-amnesty/
Wasn’t there another bill Reagan signed, based on a Dem promise to do more to cut spending? Then they went shopping at Super Pork City, while the Dems started blaming Reagan for the spending increase.
He better get a food taster and a bulletproof jacket
That’s what I was thinking.
He votes for it but doesn’t live to trigger the consequences when Schumer & Pelosi don’t follow through on the agreement.
It’s also not an impossibility Manchin is hustling here and doesn’t intend to flip.
The whole idea of voting for the bill without the permitting and other relief for realistic energy production codified upfront in the legislation is crazy.
As previously posted energy exploration and production is an expensive and time consuming endeavor.
If you Green Light / Red Light that industry every election cycle pretty soon the money is going to walk and so too is the labor that makes it happen.
Maybe Joe should look again at the Clinton accidental death count.
Now that he has made the deal, he is just in the way again.
He makes me puke.
Manchin is not getting anything. He knows it, and the other three stooges know it, because Senate will flip. There are never any timelines to the bills in the senate or the house. They will find a million ways to stall it. The progressives got what they wanted. Whether Manchin switches the parties or not, he’s a Democrat (like most of the senators with an R next to them). Progressives got what they wanted by front-loading the GND stuff. They won’t let anything remotely resembling
If there is a red wave, Manchin will switch parties like Richard Shelby and work against America from inside a different party like Richard Shelby.
A promise of future legislation??? Seriously???
Did he also buy a bridge in Brooklyn?
WTH is the timeline on this?
How long does it take for the Senate to do anything?
How long does it take the House to do anything?
And how long can it sit on Joementia’s desk before he has to do anything?
After all that it is next February and Chuckie, Nanzi and Jomentia are laughing their aßes off because they just had Manchin’s cajones for breakfast.
Well, maybe not Joementia. He is still waiting for his pudding.
Oh…this will get rammed through in lightening speed.
Watch.
Manchin will fit right in with the current elected Republicans. Still cannot figure how printing $370 billion reduces inflation.
I wouldn’t think Pelosi-Schumer are worried. McConnel can easily provide the votes [D]s need if his price is met. Manchin just wants off the hook here.
Would have just preferred him to stick to his original refusal. This is unnecessary and unhelpful.
This Joe better have a lot of arrows in his quiver to shoot this monster down when his Dem colleagues renege on all of his demands. And they will, because that is what Dems do; LIE!
Hardball would be not to sign until Manchin’s desired bill is passed. This ‘promise’ is as hollow as the democrat lies. Once Manchin gives them what they want, they go on vaca and then are flipped to red before passing the deal. That is my prediction.
They can keep Manchin, he’s not MAGA.
Trust factor for Manchin goes way down after this stunt, and he doesn’t have too high of a level to begin with.
You know why? Manchin said ‘it” (i.e., his further cooperation) depends on Democrats not reneging their promises in the future. He thinks he has the trump card, but ….. we shall see.
A betting man wants to know the odds of Democrats not reneging.
My favorite kind of regulation is “streamlined” regulation.
Right up there with intentional gross negligence.
Does anyone have any confidence at all this guy would carry through on his purported threat? If, in fact, there is any threat at all. Why would Manchin not insist that these “future promises” be implemented/enacted first? What’s the rush gus???
Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, Manchin…….what’s their average age? How many years in Office? How much wealth have their families accumulated during their time in office? Is AOC and Squad going to go for this?
Isn’t the Senate change going to happen in January anyway?
Manchin is no dummy. He knows what’s coming.
Career parasites in Congress might have created cracks in their respective campaigns. I am getting a sense that Americans – red and blue – would prefer new blood. Or am I just misreading the vibe nation wide?
Is Manchin on drugs?
“Someone needs to ask Manchin: what is the timeframe for the new legislative package” If switching parties is Manchin’s “leverage,” that tactic will expire in January, when Senate leadership will flip anyway. So what is the deadline for Manchin’s add-on bills? If the congressional Dems just slow-walk it, he will have sold out for nothing.
what difference would it make?
Not much of a consequence… If Manchin flips R, then one or more of the three “traitors” (Romney, Collins, and Murkowski) will flip the other way and cancel it out… This was a stupid move on Manchin’s part and accomplishes nothing except getting the country saddled with crushing new taxes and idiotic climate policy in the midst of a recession…
Nonsense. Who has what hanging over who???? The Pedo dollar of blackmail runs DC and the rest of the world for that matter. Pass it before you read it Manchin. You will never get your side of that deal.
I watched the interviews and decided that Manchin is a weasel of the worst kind. He believes his own lies and expects others to believe them too. The more he pontificated, the faster we counted our spoons, our knives, our forks AND checked our wallets..
We don’t want him, he is a SNAKE, he is out for himself 150%. Always has been and I cannot figure out why the people of West Virginia have not seen that. STAY WERE YOU ARE WE ARE TRYING TO CLEAN THE SWAMP.
Manchin’s leverage only exists until in several states’ key districts, the next senate elections shut down overnight while almost everyone goes home.
Next morning? Dems have a 2 or 3 vote majority and Manchin can only tilt at windmills.
Oh, so he’s a turncoat that is only looking out for himself? We don’t need no stinking RINO’s.
Typical Democrat ploy, promise to do something later, if you cave on what we want now.
Problem is, they never follow through on their end of the bargain.
Manchin got played. What good is switching parties after November? They probably threatened his wife’s job, IMO.
Someone just said that FOX has declared Pence their candidate, not Trump, so for the registered Republicans who have donated money for Trump, what exactly does that mean? Are they just going to steal the donations that come in for Trump or what? Then spit in the faces of the voters? I realize that Paul Ryan sits on the board at FOX now.
This really looks like Manchin is setting himself up for a presidential run in 2024.
Manchin has clearly rehearsed his response about the midterms in preparation for his presidential run. Perfect soundbyte for his upcoming ads.
Interesting about the new party forming as a “centrist party.” Great place for centrist dems and never trumpers to collect.
Chuck Todd is a hyper-partisan little weasel.
I feel better already….
Well, rumor has it that Billy Gates gave ole’ Joey Manchin a ringy-dingy to encourage MO-SPENDING cause that’s the only way they can collapse the economy in time before the Congress turns over to Republicans in January. And God forbid they be Trump Maga people and put their foot on all this debt . That is not in Soros, Gates, Schwab plan.
Or sometime Joe Biden and the Democrats have been signaling something by their behavior: what they have been signaling is that they have no fear of the November elections this year. That can only mean they do not expect them to be real. Do everything possible you can to make sure elections in your state are real. But be aware, that the people in power in Washington do not expect you to succeed. Be prepared for the consequences and what that might require of the population. Senator Mansions power rests on him being the decisive member of the Senate. That situation is transitory.
Close, but no cigar, GM Burns,…dam close tho.
The UNIPARTY doesn’t ‘fear’ the Senate flipping R, they EXPECT it.
Remember, these people don’t think about elections every 2+4 years. This is their occupations, their careers.
They think politics 24/7/365.
Like Archtects start planning a building, years before the ground is broken, and lawyers prepare their case long before the Judge calls the first witness in the case, those in Congress begin thinking about the NEXT election, as the results are announced for THIS one.
And, when you talk about Leadership, they are thinking longer term than THAT.
THEY KNEW the policies of Biden admin were going to be unpopular, and that Congress would change from R to D, they don’t “fear” it.
The plan is this will give the R wing 2 years before the 2024 election, to try to repair the damage to their “Brand” that the combination of MAGA, and the accurate perception of the Republican base, that Congressional R’s have faccilitated the Biden agenda.
Think the 2 years from 2010 to 2012, Obama in WH, R majority in both Houses. Remember 50 votes to repeal Obamacare?
And has there ever been a better example of “methinks thou protesteth a little TOO much!”
FIFTY votes they KNEW would go NO WHERE, because Obama wouldn’t sign it.
1 or 2 would have made the point. Those fifty votes were ALL FOR SHOW, to try to decieve the base that R’s in Congress didn’t want Obamacare, when they did.
Remember the Goudy hearings, during THE SAME TIME FRAME?
ALSO a deception, aimed at trying to decieve us, and to conceal that R leadership were deeply involved in ALL the “scandals of the Obama admin”.
So, they anticipate R majority after the midterms.
They plan to have meaningless hearings, to create/bolster the illusion its a two party system, and R’s are opposing D’s.
They will even pass legislation they know Biden will never sign.Seeing that the big MAGA issue is election integrity, they WILL have hearings. They WILL have testimony from experts on the various ballot fraud methods, with D’s fighting it every step of the way, to reinforce the lie that it is D’s that cheat.
They will perpetuate the same myth that “while we DO see irregularities, we see nothing that would have changed the outcome; Biden won.
However, confidence in our elections is essential for our Republic, and the loss of confidence, with nearly 50 percent questioning the results of the last elections is a threat to our Democracy!
They will then put forth Federal legislation to Federalise elections, implying that kind of like Jim Crow, it is local corruption that is the problem, and only Federal
control can clean it up.
In addition, they may have hearings on Afghanistan debacle, economy, etc.
All designed to bolster the illusion of a two-party system, and create and exploit “wedge issues” designed to gin up BOTH bases, while strengthening the perception of differences between the two wings of the one party.
Anf, the one “fly in the ointment to this plan, is any MAGA candidates getting into Congress.
Respectfully, a Jim Jordan will play his assigned role, probably chairing such hearings.
A MTG or Boerner will NOT be chair, or even on the committee, because they will call*BULLSHIT*, and expose the farce.
So, they will be relegated to talking on the steps of the Capital, to mostly hostile media that will either not air the clips, or will edit to distort.
How many know MTG just introduced articles of Impeachent against Biden?
How many of you can say the # of times articles of Impeachment against Biden have BEEN introduced in the House.
The Uniparty doesn’t fear a Republican voter wave, they have anticipated it for at least 2 years. What they fear is a MAGA wave, and they are DESPERATELY trying to CONTAIN it, to insure as few MAGA candidates are actually seated in Congress, because every one, being a “fly in the ointment” (and royal pita!) undermines the false narrative of a two-party system, and exposes the truth of Uniparty.
Like ONE small child, at a huge GALA event, shouting out for all to hear “The Emperor is BUCK NAKED!”
MAGA candidates, though few, are MIGHTY.
THATS what they fear, and thats what they are trying to do.
After you vote in November *and get out there and DO IT if you’re a republican, for sure* and after you drop your ballot into the box, don’t just walk out the door. Stand around and watch those boxes for a while. That’s what I intend to do. I will have my “camera” with me, should I need it, and I will watch with eagle eyes. There is cheating on the menu for the dimwit dems and we cannot let that happen – AGAIN. We just can’t afford to let it happen again for many reasons, not just money. The future of elections depends on the 2022 and 2024 election INTEGRITY.
RINO or RAT – epipen Manchin is running for prez.
I’m sorry, but believing Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, and Manchin will follow through and do what they SAY they will do is a fool’s errand.
Unless all four have a financial payday not fully disclosed (I believe I heard Manchin’s is getting cheaper medicines for WV?), they all four are lying through their teeth to create media hype.
I’ve seen this show too many times before.
Remember…they are ALL Democrats. They lie, that’s what they do.
I get what you are saying, and would agree but for it being West Virginia his constituency. The deal he made is 100% in line with that state. The people are dirt poor, but not keen to become welfare rats, they’re hard salt of the earth people who would rather get black lung than depend on a government check. Supporting efforts for Clean Coal and better work conditions, yes, but not the destruction of their livelihoods. Manchin knows his constituency. You don’t impose solar engineering upon people who can dig energy needed for self and family out of the ground themselves…
walking the balancing wire.
there is no free lunch for raiding the treasury and the county.
some congress member will have to follow through with their threat unfortunately these days.
(congress is a stepping stone to other power in the state they control the money flow toooo – Manchine is preserving his Secret Empire which aligns his greed to our desire)
***THEY ARE ALL UNIPARTY. there. Fixed it.
But Republicans like say,…McConnell, McCarthy etc. are truth tellers?
I KNOW its hard, and unlike the leftists we are not as adept at using language to clarify truth, as they are at obsfuscating it, but language shapes thought.
The Uniparty lies, doesn’t matter what jersey they wear.
I can’t recall one lie PDJT has told, and I do recall a solemn promise he made to us, not to lie.