West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin was on every Sunday talk show today (CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox) responding to his reversal of position on the Build Back Better legislative package (Green New Deal spending) that is part of the senate budget reconciliation bill. There is something very interesting in his justification. [Do not skim read this, all citations included]
Fox News Brett Bair does the best job challenging Manchin on his prior statements saying there would be no spending deal without first seeing the August inflation data. [LINK]. Manchin never answered that hypocrisy directly but says there are two components of the deal, two parts of a new future legislative bill, that brought him to the agreement on the $370 billion current spend.
The current Senate bill is a reconciliation bill, meaning it involves taxes and spending – AND ONLY taxes and spending, because the bill originated in the House.
The constitutional framework for taxes & spending requires the House to originate all spending bills. If a desired additional measure does not involve taxes and spending (a budgetary impact) it cannot be added to a reconciliation bill. The senate must originate a new bill and then send it to the House.
According to Manchin the deal between himself, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden includes his support for the current green energy spending, in exchange for two new items in future legislation: 1) Streamlined energy permitting/regulation; and 2) Increased development of Oil, Coal, Gas. Both of these pieces of legislation have to be handled in a separate Senate bill.
According to Manchin, his agreement to the current spending bill was contingent upon a promise that: (A) Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer will generate a new bill for streamlined energy permitting and increased oil, gas and coal development; (B) House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will take up the Senate bill and whip enough of her House Democrat membership to join with Republicans in support of that Senate bill; and (C) Joe Biden will sign that increased energy production bill.
Here’s the important part. Senator Manchin claims he has leverage over Biden, Pelosi and Schumer to ensure a new bill with those priorities is created and advanced. Manchin further claims there are “consequences” for Biden, Pelosi and Schumer if they were to renege on the deal. He is quite emphatic about that point if you listen to the NBC interview.
Now ask yourself…. What leverage would Senator Manchin have over Biden, Schumer and Pelosi that would ensure they would not double-cross him?
There is only one Occam’s razor answer:
Joe Manchin threatened to switch political parties if any of them reneged on the deal.
The NBC interview with Chuck Todd questioning Joe Manchin is very interesting. It is actually the best interview of all five conducted, in part because it seems like Chuck Todd has full knowledge of the Manchin threat component.
Manchin was challenged in three of the five interviews about this promised future legislative component. In each of the interviews Manchin affirms and reaffirms there would be consequences if Schumer, Pelosi and Biden try to renege on the deal. However, it is the Meet the Press Chuck Todd interview that really gets in deeper and overlays some sunlight on this issue.
WATCH at 04:03 of the video below, Chuck Todd has knowledge of the “deal” in detail and pushes Manchin on his “consequences” statement. Then watch the very end of this interview (09:05) when Chuck Todd tries to pin Manchin down on the importance of Democrats holding the Senate. Chuck Todd knows the unspoken threat that Manchin outlines as consequences.
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Chuck Todd knows the “consequences”. He tried to pin Manchin down. Manchin obfuscated.
You put it all together and it starts making sense.
Senator Joe Manchin cut a deal for removal of regulatory roadblocks to current energy programs and expanded energy development. Schumer has to generate the legislation permitting faster investment in current oil, gas, coal. Nancy Pelosi has to pass it in the House. Joe Biden has to sign it and change EPA/Interior Dept policy. In exchange for that, Joe Manchin has agreed to the $370 billion green new deal energy spending programs.
If Schumer, Pelosi or Biden renege, then Manchin switches parties and the Senate flips into Republican control immediately. That’s his leverage.
Someone needs to ask Manchin: (A) what is the timeframe for the new legislative package; and (B) is this an accurate assessment of the “consequences” he outlined.
Here’s the other interviews:
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https://youtu.be/EL7SsWH3HgE
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Switch parties? What IF November elections puts Republicans in charge of Senate? What if Joe Biden veto any legislation that come up from Senate? American people are being duped!
No more bills being passed before Trump is reelected is not a bad deal. It would put a crimp in the Break America’s Back agenda.
You mean switch parties like this.
Doesn’t mater whether its an R or D following a lawmakers name if they act like a socialialist globalist out for themselves that is what they ae.
We don’t need that garbage around here . Take your filth somewhere else
In the end, would switching parties change his future votes on anything? And if he did switch wouldn’t a purer dem be nominated and run against him the next election, and likely win?
I don’t believe so. I believe that West Virginia is a pretty solidly Republican state. Manchin keeps getting reelected because he is a much loved former governor. But most of their elected officials are republican if I am remembering correctly.
Why does WV have a RINO as the other Senator if it was a strong GOP stronghold?
Correct.
Because the Manchin/Moore Capito political machine had a lot of less informed people bull 💩ed. Besides , the establishment RINO party and the Union controlled Democrat (Marxist) Party always put up nobodies as candidates against these two when they are running for re-election. President Trump endorsed that RINO Sellyouout Moore Capito because of the worthless losers that ran against her. Like other States, no good choice. Capito is a McCuckell cloture vote sellout, to keep her in a position on powerful committees.
Cause most of the GOP are RIMO’s, Duh!
He’s not switching. He’s using leverage. He’s who he is. Manchin is for Manchin. FJB
Mug on one side Wump on the other side of the fence he’s sitting on. Switching ” parties ” for him means being a MugWump facing the other direction. DINO or RINO?
Don’t matter a bit they are all SINOs anyhow.
But the control of the Senate will change in January anyway, does it matter if it changes 3 months earlier?
Exactly.
It does matter.
The dems likely plan lots of unpopular legislative damage AFTER the election, especially if they can’t cheat enough to preserve power.
It had better change in January, but I’m not feeling entirely optimistic after arguing with certain people here in the CTH forum. People who don’t like their candidates and don’t understand how important majorities are.
majorities are important only if it makes a difference
unfortunately, THEY have had a majority for many years…the Uniparty has been enacting their agenda since at least 1989 with a short pause of 2017-2021…..it would be nice for PATRIOTS to have a majority for a while and see what can be done
You mean like the majority Republicans held while they let the “Russia Collusion” story run wild?
You mean like the majority Republicans held when they failed to repeal Obamacare, after previously voting to do so 60+ times?
It does make a difference if we have a Republican majority or a Democrat one. Dems can go full steam ahead towards socialism and get re-elected by their constituents. RINOs have to at least tap the breaks a little.
I wouldn’t simplify the argument in that way. People weary of Republican majorities only have to reach back to the first two years of Trump’s presidency to see what such majorities have wrought. It’s not the numbers, per se, but the composition of the numbers that matters. The country can’t survive more Paul Ryans and Mitch McConnell’s in “opposition,” dredging the bed of the swamp deeper and securing its moorings.
Remember, Dominion gets a say.
🤔 I read somewhere earlier that Manchin was in Houston today for some fundraiser. They were questioning why the event included Repub big donors. Funny that.
(Looked again but can’t find it)
Let me get this straight. He’s trusting the Democrat leadership to keep their word?
Sen. Byrd did not keep his “promise” to Reagan after the 1986 amnesty to secure the border.
Byrd didn’t have to worry about 1 senator switching parties. After the 1986 midterms the Democrats had a 55-45 majority.
“items in future legislation”
does anyone actually belive that? ” He threatens to change parties before November, knowing the probability is the Republicans take both the House and the Senate. But he won’t get what he wants first. Right. Guess somebody needed some clickbait for the weekend.
What is the timeline on this? The timeline is very important.
He’s also set up for a McCain event. They will move his legislation with the understanding that they have the votes, but a “maverick” Democrat will come up with the decisive “No” vote.
Which Democrats have announced they’re retiring?
Is anyone still believing Manchin, wake up.
bill gates reportedly helped ‘persuade’ manchin.
A “PROMISE’ of massve funding for a presidential run?
I am quite sure a run would be as a splitter to facilitate a steal from another candidate, not to win. Would get to keep the leftover campaign cash at the end IIRC.
That should be the kiss of death right there.
This guy helped put a criminal in the WH. Chuck already has him outflanked and is laughing at his naïveté. Don’t rely on anything but driving them out.
I don’t care how much is spent on green energy. Congress has spent money on worse boondoggles.
Green Energy can’t & won’t ever replace fossil fuel.
Yet, Biden locked down fossil fuel projects on day one. He owns this mess.
Manchin is right for both his constituents and America. Biden and Congress have to back track to fossil fuel the most available and reliable energy for now.
Americans are going to freeze to death this Winter if Biden doesn’t straighten this mess out.
Biden can’t straighten his tie.
What makes you think that the Uniparty would be opposed to Americans freezing to death?
If they can’t starve us to death, then freezing us to death would be their next choice.
Serving us crickets of course.
I agree with you. If Manchin can broker a deal to increase fossil fuels, it would be great.
Tens of Millions are going to die if they don’t fix this.
Why wouldn’t Democrats just wait a few months to take up his legislation to see if the Republicans take the Senate?
If Republicans capture the Senate, Manchin will still switch parties or co-sponsor the bill with a Republican. One from an energy state – AK, TX, LA, OK …
Schumer needs to find a way to bring up the bill have it get defeated some how. Or maybe structure it as some short term victory/exit ramp for the Democrats heading into an election.
The Biden administration is firmly committed to using a massive wave of environmental and financial regulations in a no-holds-barred assault on the fossil fuels industry.
If the people who actually make Biden’s decisions for him agree to Manchin’s deal, then it will seem that they are betraying both their WEF masters and also the millions of Democrats who actually do want America to purge fossil fuels from our economy. (Goofus idiots that they all are.)
How to get around that problem?
It is possible that Biden’s WEF puppet masters might sign on to the deal with the intention of simply ignoring any new legislation which limits their Great Reset agenda, much as they are now ignoring West Virginia vs EPA. Further, the puppet masters might sign on with tacit acknowledgement from Manchin and the Uniparty leadership that there will be no consequences if Biden ignores the law.
IMHO, Manchin is setting himself up to run for the 2024 presidential nomination as the only sane centrist left at the top of the Democratic Party.
It is possible that he believes the Democrats will retain control of the Senate through fair means or foul, and that the Republicans will take the House with a much smaller majority than is now being predicted. In that scenario, a RINO Republican is the Speaker of the House and The Turtle remains as Senate Minority Leader.
If the Uniparty still maintains control of Congress after the mid-terms, because the MAGA red wave has been largely thwarted by massive vote fraud perpetrated by an alliance of RINO Republicans and the Democrats, then Manchin could become well placed to gain power as a deal maker in a Uniparty Congress and also to set himself up for the Democrat’s 2024 nomination.
Who would be Manchin’s ideal running mate in 2024 on a centrist 2024 Democrat ticket? Tulsi Gabbard, of course.
As for the RINO Republicans, if a Manchin/Gabbard ticket won for the Democrats in 2024, they would be just fine with that. The MAGA movement would have been thoroughly suppressed, just as the Tea Party movement had been a decade earlier; and better yet, they get to keep their comfortable well-paid positions as members of the controlled opposition.
Your scenario is possible except perhaps Tulsi Gabbard as VP. She did not get much support when she ran for POTUS and the lefty media hates her.
When Tulsi dropped out of the 2016 POTUS race, she had 2 confirmed delegates to Biden’s 2727 and Sanders’ 1118. If Hillary still has any influence on the Dems in 2024, her grudge against Gabbard for endorsing Sanders in 2016 instead of her might also be a deterrent. HRC labeled Tulsi a Russian asset and was temporarily sued by TG for it.
Since 2020, two factors dominate my thinking when making predictions about future elections and the candidates each party chooses to put forward.
What role will having control of the election process through vote fraud play behind the scenes when the Uniparty candidates are being selected before the primaries and before the general?
And two, which Uniparty candidates will be the best fit for the circumstances that a particular election cycle presents, once the election steal has been accomplished?
For example, knowing well ahead of time that Trump’s victory would be stolen from him, the Uniparty election fraud schemers chose Biden and Harris for the Democrat’s 2020 ticket because they would appear to be exceedingly weak candidates and could be easily beaten, thus lulling the Trump campaign into a false sense of security.
Assuming that the Uniparty is successful in stealing the 2022 election cycle from MAGA candidates — a not unreasonable assumption given the obvious preparations that are now underway to steal the mid-terms — choosing candidates for 2024 who appear on the surface to be retreating from the radical leftist agenda would be one means of hiding the true WEF agenda from the voters.
Manchin/Gabbard would beat Trump
Dream Big, right?
You obviously don’t have a clue who Donald J. Trump, the man, is.
Forget about understanding who PDJT is…..
I don’t think so.
Manchin is popular right now yes, his going along with this bill will end that IMO. Gabbard is seen as a Republicians in disguise by Dems and as a fraud by Republicians.
Her platform is the same as Bernie’s so I doubt it would jibe with Manchin’s center stance.
In a free, honest, and fair election, no. In another stolen election, yes.
If Manchin/Gabbard was a viable ticket for the leftists, we would not be living in our current Hell. They would slow things down way too much and would destroy whatever Klaus and Bill have in store for us simply by doing anything that put the brakes on. That is why we have Biden now. Maximum damage without the political costs.
I discussed this with a Democrat on Twitter recently. Someone who was somewhat reasonable. I told him Manchin was their best candidate. He laughed and said that Manchin was persona non grata and had no political future in the party due to not towing the line.
I’m not holding my breath.
If this is true, Manchin got rolled. Senate flips in November anyway, so there is no way they give him this. As soon as the reconciliation bill is passed and signed they will tell him to piss off. They got his cheeseburger, but there is no way he gets paid on Tuesday.
Hey Joe. I’ve got this really neato bridge over the Ohio River that I can let you have real cheap.
lame duck senate for 2 months.
If the Senate flips, Manchin can co-sponsor the bill with a Republican.
Democrats may roll the dice and blow off Manchin hoping they pick up 2-3 seats and make Manchin and Sinema virtually irrelevant.
Manchin has too much power and we’re victims to him. Stop this nonsense. Vote for your GOP candidates in November to win the majorities back. Then Manchin will be irrelevant and Chuck and Nancy will be ejected from their power seats.
This play has been done before with the Tea Party though. What exactly changed after we got all those candidates in office, then?
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The Uniparty has always been there.
No.
I will not vote the straight R ticket if it means voting for a RINO.
That is how we got into this mess to begin with.
I will never vote for a Democrat, either. I will continue to do as I have for decades, I will write in the name of a true conservative, if I must.
I will support a true conservative Republican, but never a RINO.
I will not be complicit in my own destruction or the destruction of this nation I love.
I will stand before God with a clear conscience in this regard.
I hold RINOs in even lower esteem than I do Democrats.
Traitors and liars.
Schumer & Pelosi say hold the football ……. Manchin say OK , last time
Come on man …. its ‘theatre’ !
Manchin now has a face-saving ” Out ” >>> They lied to me ….
Give me a cheeseburger today and I will pay you tomorrow.
Wimpy Joe
Hope they feed him one of those BugBurgers
Give me your vote today, and I will give you my vote next Tuesday.
Seems a better fit to me.
Thursday!
“Joe Manchin has agreed to the $370 billion green new deal energy spending programs.”
That $ 370 Billion guaranteed Climate boondoggle expenditure (and the usual hidden costs that will be known later) could be the final costly straw that will accelerate the decline and increase the ruinous Green transformation. Manchin’s apparent confidence that he outwitted the Green Energy fanatics in his party and aided the Oil and Gas industry is probably greatly exaggerated or untrue.
Believing that Pelosi and Schumer can be trusted about anything is foolish and Manchin’s threat to change parties and become a pawn for RINO McConnell doesn’t seem like a fearful threat to me. He would only be altering his Uni-party sitting arrangements in the Senate. It’s possible he’s already chatted with Mitch about how his voting in the Senate wouldn’t really change on any issue if he became a Mitch Senator instead of a Chuck one. He would still maintain the election winning appearance of independence.
Schumer’s ace in the hole –
If Manchin switches parties, Schumer will simply get Romney to switch parties.
Pure Machieavellian evil
“Manchinations”??
Romney and Collins.
Sinema is then made irrelevant.
Since when has Democrats, in order to pass a vote, kept their promise?
They don’t and they will skrew Munchkin for making them beg…big time.
Oh yeah, Chuckie knows what’s going on. That little smile gives it away. And if he’s like me, he doesn’t think it’s a matter of IF Manchin switches parties… it’s a matter of WHEN. I really don’t think this deal is gonna determine what he does. I think he’s already made up his mind that deal or no deal, he WILL be switching parties before long. I actually believe him when he says (in essence) he doesn’t CARE who controls the Senate.
All in all if that’s true it’s pretty cunning of Manchin. Pretty good optics for himself..
That all this is, chaff and flares for Manchin… lol Theater at it’s finest.
Wharton just came out and said this horrible bill will have zero impact on inflation. Raising taxes will only hurt the economy. Businesses will either raise their prices, pay their people less, cut back on improving or expanding their business, or all of the above. Businesses don’t pay taxes; people do. Tax increases never raise the amount of revenue that duplicitous politicians claim they will, because people adjust to avoid paying more in taxes. Most of these politicians know this. They are playing to the economically ignorant.
that is one of the Left’s big scams always talking about “corporate taxes”….corporations do not pay taxes…their customers do…..just like all the “experts” tried to say PDJT’s tariffs on PRC would tank our economy….instead it boomed
Plus it contains 80 billion to hire new IRS people, I see an attack on conservatives and small businesses to further destroy this country.
https://tennesseestar.com/2022/07/31/democrats-propose-spending-80-billion-to-expand-the-irs/
Yes, that’s MY fear too.
Bill Gates and Other Radicals Pressed Joe Manchin to Vote for Biden’s Behemoth Climate Change Bill
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/bill-gates-radicals-pressed-joe-manchin-vote-bidens-behemoth-climate-change-bill/
What, Leo Dica-pedo and Heat Queen Gore gonna hold Manchinations down while Herr Gates “motorboats” him with those fake meat B-cups till he cries the safeword????
there is zero chance those scumwhores have any intention on living up to that deal, if there was a deal
This might make more sense of what he or someone said earlier in the week in an interview about being an R. I didn’t make any sense at the time, but this could shed some light on it.
Here is the interview from OAN:
“So, I think it’s a win-win here, but people are all getting hyped up,” he voiced. “It might help the Democrats and I’m a Republican so I’ve got to be against it. Come on, guys. We’re Americans. Look at the bill, it’s a good bill. It’s a Democrat and Republican bill.”
Sen. Manchin tries to defend reconciliation package
Interview by John Hines29 Jul 2022https://www.oann.com/sen-manchin-tries-to-defend-reconciliation-package
Yet the bill is garbage.
Manchin seems to think he can have it both ways, releasing fossil fuels while installing wind turbines all over WV.
This threat would make sense if he voted at least GOP 50% to 60% of time. He doesn’t. If anything thing Schumer should be egging him on, sure switch parties and torpedo GOP votes! No, Manchin is going to get Bart Stupak’d. This is okay, we need to find two Kari Lake like figures in WV that have the fire and the guts to take him and Capito out.
Why not switch now on the promise the Republicans will give him what he wants and more for his state?
Like some of the same sorts of Republicans that promised to repeal Obamacare when given the majority?
When it came down to it the bill never materialized at the Oval Office for President Trump to sign as it would have removed a lucrative campaign issue.
Which side of the greasy schlong is he going to? There is only one side
Manchin actually believes that malevolent lying demons like shoomer and booze-losi would “keep their word”? And Manchin actually believes that we the public would believe for a second that a lying two-faced demon like Manchin can be “trusted” as well? And even if he was a Republican, he’d just be another Romney, Collins or Murkowski. The Uniparty is the only majority rule party in DC.
Are those windmill projects in WV anything like the “shovel ready” jobs Obama/Biden and the dems promised before?
Take a win no matter how symbolic.
He’s been in the rat pack for a long time so…
i trust any of them as far as i could throw the crapitol building itself. they all deserve the rope as far as i’m concerned. ALL OF THEM.
start fresh.
So Manchin votes for the America killing bill, Shumer reneges, and Manchin gets the Seth Rich treatment in a robbery gone wrong. Twofer: no stinking oil, gas, or coal, And a loud and clear message is sent to anyone else considering voting for America.
Uh, oh. Never trust a politician. Especially Schumer.
Oh boy, I’m salivating at the thought of McConnell being majority leader by one vote. And, that one vote is a celebrated sellout. What could go wrong?
My bet. Everybody will renege and nothing will happen. One big head fake.
In a clean and open democracy, shouldn’t the public be fully aware of the details of this deal-making? They make cops wear body cams, but not politicians.
Dosen’t matter which party he would belong to… He’d still be a Rat Bastard.
Never trust a member of the DNCCP, even if they switch to the RINO faction …
Who cares if he switches parties? Means absolutely nothing to anyone paying attention.
Pelosi won’t have the house after November. Schumer may not have the Senate either. No thanks Joe we don’t need you.
“We”? Yuck. I’d have said “they”. But I know you weren’t referring to yourself in that “we”. But still, yuck. Ha
Sundance has said in the past that Mitch McConnell prefers to be in the minority so , if I understand correctly , he has more deal-cutting leverage.
If that’s so, he would fight any defection by Manchin , to keep status quo.
Discuss.
Welcome to the RINO side Joe – if Pelosi doesn’t screw you the EPA will.
Why? He’d be just another RINO.
I posted much the same.
Joe Manchin, like most politicians, is whoever he needs to be to stay in power. If that means becoming a Republican, he’ll do it.
Our nation is run by selfish people and absolute sociopaths. And I no longer consider people “stupid” for not “paying attention” or knowing who to vote for. We’re all drowning in a sea of lies at this point with very little to tell us in which direction to swim for the truth.
Unless he secured an agreement from dementia Joe also …
What does it matter?
Biden will simply veto it.
And, if he agreed to this deal knowing Biden would veto it anyway…
Then Manchin is just playing psyche games hoping to fool voters.
There was a time I would have taken him. However,
His time to switch parties has expired. No one wants him now. He has soiled himself beyond repair.
I would rather WV just wake up, realize he is not supporting their will, and just replace him.
“Then Manchin is just playing psyche games hoping to fool voters.”
Bingo! There is no way the Senate has enough time to pass Manchin’s fossile fuel stimulus plan before the Democrats lose the Senate. After that, there is no way that Biden plays ball. He has his biggest legislative achievement. Manchin either knows this or is such a dunce that he doesn’t deserve to be in the Senate. Either way, Manchin is done.
There’s enough funny money in these bankrupt America disaster bills to kickback more than enough cash for Joey and all his family and friends
FJM has the proverbial ‘Ace card up his sleeve’, which now goes by the ‘Dominion card’.
I think this is a setup so Manchin has plausible deniability with his constituents. However, this is likely to fail because this “transitory” inflation is ginormous and has not peaked yet.
West Virginians need to stop supporting demofascists, even if they threaten to transform themselves into RINOs.
I can imagine what Manchin calls his constituents behind their backs.
Check out the latest polls since the Manchin “sellout” to Schumer that was conducted by the Coalition for a Stronger West Virginia. He knows he is in big trouble, so this Sunday Marxist Propaganda tour won’t do him any good. His BS has worn thin. Very few voters in WV are buying this nonsense.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gJnNIEUaQUyDkylU0mUB-guyId7Bnm39/view
Dementia Joe is not making that decision, they talk to Dr. Jill and pen&phone Barry down the street and F. Joe will do what the teleprompter tells him to do.
Frankly, once you view things, truly embracing the Uniparty concept, so WHAT if Manchin ‘flips’ from being a declared Democrat, to being a Democrat with an R after his name?
Like a 1 or 2 vote majority in the Senate, means the Democrats with an R after their name, are suddenly going to start legislating like Republican legislators SHOULD?
Don’t make me laugh!
They talk about Manchins negotiation with Nanzi and Chuck, no talk aboutvhis negotiations with Mitch.
The leadership didn’t REALLY want to eliminate the fillibuster rule.
PDJT wanted Mitch to, implored him in tweets to do it, and now leftists want it, but the leadership DOESN’T, because it is one of the main tools Mitch uses, to maintain the rapidly evaporating notion of a two party system.
If Mitch has a 51 or 52 seat majority, after the midterms, he can count on his reliable ‘squishy’ voters to enable the R’s to appear to be trying to halt “Brandons” legislative agenda (really Mitchs, as much as Nanzis) and of coarse fail, whenever meaningful porkulas bills come through.
So, Manchin “threatening” to switch parties, is more of a threat to McConnell, than it is to Chuck, and even then is only a threat to McConnell if, after the midterms the R’s have 59 seats, as then Joe would give them 60, which is mitchs ultimate nightmare, and that ain’t happening.
In short, IMHO this “inside the beltway” story falls apart, when viewed through the Uniparty lens.
Its just a false narrative, overlaying a false narrative, both of which are based on a false predicate of TWO, opposing parties with diametrically opposite policy positions.
Its well prepared bullshirt, but I ain’t eating it.