West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin was on every Sunday talk show today (CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox) responding to his reversal of position on the Build Back Better legislative package (Green New Deal spending) that is part of the senate budget reconciliation bill. There is something very interesting in his justification. [Do not skim read this, all citations included]
Fox News Brett Bair does the best job challenging Manchin on his prior statements saying there would be no spending deal without first seeing the August inflation data. [LINK]. Manchin never answered that hypocrisy directly but says there are two components of the deal, two parts of a new future legislative bill, that brought him to the agreement on the $370 billion current spend.
The current Senate bill is a reconciliation bill, meaning it involves taxes and spending – AND ONLY taxes and spending, because the bill originated in the House.
The constitutional framework for taxes & spending requires the House to originate all spending bills. If a desired additional measure does not involve taxes and spending (a budgetary impact) it cannot be added to a reconciliation bill. The senate must originate a new bill and then send it to the House.
According to Manchin the deal between himself, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden includes his support for the current green energy spending, in exchange for two new items in future legislation: 1) Streamlined energy permitting/regulation; and 2) Increased development of Oil, Coal, Gas. Both of these pieces of legislation have to be handled in a separate Senate bill.
According to Manchin, his agreement to the current spending bill was contingent upon a promise that: (A) Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer will generate a new bill for streamlined energy permitting and increased oil, gas and coal development; (B) House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will take up the Senate bill and whip enough of her House Democrat membership to join with Republicans in support of that Senate bill; and (C) Joe Biden will sign that increased energy production bill.
Here’s the important part. Senator Manchin claims he has leverage over Biden, Pelosi and Schumer to ensure a new bill with those priorities is created and advanced. Manchin further claims there are “consequences” for Biden, Pelosi and Schumer if they were to renege on the deal. He is quite emphatic about that point if you listen to the NBC interview.
Now ask yourself…. What leverage would Senator Manchin have over Biden, Schumer and Pelosi that would ensure they would not double-cross him?
There is only one Occam’s razor answer:
Joe Manchin threatened to switch political parties if any of them reneged on the deal.
The NBC interview with Chuck Todd questioning Joe Manchin is very interesting. It is actually the best interview of all five conducted, in part because it seems like Chuck Todd has full knowledge of the Manchin threat component.
Manchin was challenged in three of the five interviews about this promised future legislative component. In each of the interviews Manchin affirms and reaffirms there would be consequences if Schumer, Pelosi and Biden try to renege on the deal. However, it is the Meet the Press Chuck Todd interview that really gets in deeper and overlays some sunlight on this issue.
WATCH at 04:03 of the video below, Chuck Todd has knowledge of the “deal” in detail and pushes Manchin on his “consequences” statement. Then watch the very end of this interview (09:05) when Chuck Todd tries to pin Manchin down on the importance of Democrats holding the Senate. Chuck Todd knows the unspoken threat that Manchin outlines as consequences.
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Chuck Todd knows the “consequences”. He tried to pin Manchin down. Manchin obfuscated.
You put it all together and it starts making sense.
Senator Joe Manchin cut a deal for removal of regulatory roadblocks to current energy programs and expanded energy development. Schumer has to generate the legislation permitting faster investment in current oil, gas, coal. Nancy Pelosi has to pass it in the House. Joe Biden has to sign it and change EPA/Interior Dept policy. In exchange for that, Joe Manchin has agreed to the $370 billion green new deal energy spending programs.
If Schumer, Pelosi or Biden renege, then Manchin switches parties and the Senate flips into Republican control immediately. That’s his leverage.
Someone needs to ask Manchin: (A) what is the timeframe for the new legislative package; and (B) is this an accurate assessment of the “consequences” he outlined.
Here’s the other interviews:
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https://youtu.be/EL7SsWH3HgE
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When I never hear the word Manchin again it’ll be a start.
Wow!
Outstanding
Sundance!
Yep. Old-school good, solid, in-depth reporting here.
Well, well, well. Maybe the coal miner’s son ain’t so stupid a turncoat after all. Time will tell.
Some one thinks he’s going to run for POTUS 2024
100%
It’s not Joe Manchin necessarily (though he is politically astute to see the opportunity), it’s the people who want to control the office of the presidency that are telling him to run for POTUS 2024.
Cue the splitter strategy, again.
“Vote for me in ’24 because I did all I that I could to increase domestic energy supplies.”
(The damage was done getting Col House’s Globalist puppet Wilson in who got US into WWI and many of my family WWI vets)
“The Bull Moose ticket polled some 25 percent of the popular vote. Thus split, the Republicans lost the election to the Democrats under Woodrow Wilson. The Bull Moose Party evaporated, and the Republicans were reunited four years later.”
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Bull-Moose-Party
No trick quite like an old one.
Did all he could and conveniently failed….
So would that be the people who run Obama, or another faction?
Of course they are, and it’s just what he wants.
And a guarantee he’ll be the “chosen” in 2024? Looks like Kamel and Brandon are finished.
Manchin has no shot at being President… the Dems don’t even like him… Republicans think he is a fence-rider.
If he can siphon a few percentage points from the other candidate(s) in an election it further obfuscates the margin needed for a steal, would it not?
So does this mean the misfit democrat street mobs will be pulled away from the neighborhoods of certain Supreme Court Justices to be redeployed to the street where Manchin lives?
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I have read that he actually lives on a houseboat.
So, by all means, get those protestors to march ‘around’ his house . . .
Especially during “Shark Week”.
The barney kooks manage to paddleboard up and harass him from time to time.
Fake “Right” (Uniparty/RINO’s) vs fake “Left”
You need to stop reading the classics…you’ll get too smart, but more importantly…wise! Well done amigo!
TY and slainte.
These guys are long time MAGA. They were strong supporters of Buchanan’s MAFA runs in the 1990’s, oldschoolers. Still going strong. Treepers should support them.
https://chroniclesmagazine.org/
Bless you for your fortitude, I would be crazed and vomitous if I had to listen to Chuck Todd myself.
Manchin: Just do it! Don’t wait!
All the times people wrote “I don’t think we’re going to make it two more years,” this could be the answer.
Call me a skeptic, but I will believe it when I see it – or read about it here on CTH.
Yes…and the IGs investigations are just about done, when we will see multiple prosecutions of the treasonous actors in the election coup of 2020. Clinton, Obama and all the boys and girls in the band included.
Oh, and Hunter Biden et Pere will also be brought up on the severest charges.
Like you, Yinzer, when I see it here, I’ll believe it.
Experience is a harsh teacher. You are not a skeptic. You are, as I am, a realist.
Add Pervert Carlos Danger & his Muslim Brotherhood owned fake “wife”. I knew I was right when they found Hillary Clinton’s missing emails on his (Anthony Weiner)laptop. Which puppet was owned by who? Qatar of Abedin? Weiner by Saudi Arabia?
It’s so in your face, right, Colkitto? Good examples of one rule for one, and really no rule or rules for all those in a more rarefied strata.
No thank you. He’s an equal opportunity betrayer.
I swear I hate these people. I hate them all.
The English language has no words to adequately describe the depth of my hatred for them.
Veddy Intadesting!!! Sounds like Joe might have a few by the short ones! 😉
Manchin did what Mitch M would never, probably could never, pull off: Do something that might be good for the country.
Justice Merrick Garland
Oh, here’s another secret word “inflammatory” attached to inflation…gee I am getting a woodie!
This guy Manchin is talking too fast, kinda like the dude in a saloon who comes up against a cowboy who wants to make him dance as he takes out his firearm.
Maybe Mike Tyson could give him a solid left hook to his big nose, that would make my day and straighten out his Pinocchio nose!
Manchin had a “Plan” until schumer/peloisi/biden/mcconnnel punched him in the mouth….
Exactly; these are Democrats. Of course they’ll renege on their deal with Manchin; and then, being the Uniparty bird that he is, McConnell will convince the Republicans to not let Manchin be part of the Republican party – leaving the power as it is with VP Harris remaining the tie-breaking vote.
Pretty sure Manchin’s career just ended with trying to be too cute by half.
Ever notice how many crooked people have crooked noses? Just a thought.
Joe Manchin
Jeff Flake…
come to mind, but I’ve seen many.
Don’t get too excited. Mitt Romney (or equal) will see the error of this reasoning and switch to keep the wheels on the side where they belong.
Pierre Delecto is his dem name already..
Exactly!
Apparently, the Mormon church is working overtime to convert itself to Woke. The sooner the transformation is complete, the sooner Romney turns.
The “church” that worships a fake prophet is involved in fake outrage over fake controversies? In the words of Gomer Pyle “surprise, surprise, surprise”.
Manchin answers the question of where is the inflationary fix within the bill.
He goes right to the promise re: petroleum production in answer to the question, which makes sense because in his plan the production will help with inflation.
The promised second half of the bill is what he talked about answering the question of how the House bill fixes inflation.
and it’s his deal breaker on party loyalty.
Republicans take the house in a couple of months, Manchin makes the switch because P, S and FJB break their promise.
Nice work.
The environmentalist progs are going to hate it.
Of course they break their promise.
Of course Manchin switches parties, then runs for president as an independent, or primaries Trump.
That is….. If we still have elections.
Would like to know what involvement The Turtle has with this scheme. He would have to bless it, and Manchin would have to transfer his indebtedness from Schumer to McConnell if it were to happen. I predict a lot of ring-kissing and cassock-fondling in Manchin’s future.
Would it really? Sounds like a lot of this deal is just a matter of changing various exec branch depts rules and regs. Not sure what legislation would be needed?
But not sure I would trust Joe, besides the fact his days are numbered.
THEY INSTALLED Biden!! Lies lies and more lies
They are all skunks. Every last one of them.
No way. That 2nd bill will never happen.
Exactly, the Dems are running out of time.
Manchin says never trust a democrat. Oh wait I’m a democrat.
If Manchin has the leverage he claims, why not demand the red tape regulatory removal bill first and then the reconciliation bill?
This “leverage” may not have the consequences manchin asserts.
manchin votes FOR the spendthrift buddy-funding, inflation-inducing, crookedcapitalism green nude eel.
Then the Senate, despite “Schumer’s PROMISE” ‘runs into opposition which schumer can’t control’.
Mcconnell is a slime buddy of schumer. Manchis switches, then mcconnell does what?
Murkowski or collins or another creep ‘switches’ to dem to “preserve the sanctity of the 2020 election” ?
What kind of idiot relies on a PROMISE from schumer, biden, pelosi ? Perhaps someone who expects them to be lying but wants to justify his destructive behavior for the time being to his state while he builds a relationship with the deep state to run for Pres?
5BY2531 identified another GOPe – Pierre Delecto Romney
The implication is that it must be passed and signed. If not, then what? Switching parties may not have teeth come the day after election day, and likely won’t, one way or another.
Nothing in his past suggests he has a backbone, he always caves to the will of his party. If Manchin is putting his trust in Pelosi, Crying Chuck and Biden to keep their word, then he is a lonely fool. They will call his bluff and then what is he going to do? Switch parties, really? Then what does he have to look forward to, Antifa and BLM never giving him a peaceful moment for the rest of his or his family’s life? Manchin is never going to do it, he will slink away, forgo his reelection and fade away
If you really think Manchin really thinks that Biden et al will abide by this alleged deal, then I really am the reincarnation of Mother Teresa.
And Sinema is just going tosit on her hands? Not thinking so. She may flip the Senate just to beat manchine to the punch and make his treat moot.
Manchin should have gone ahead and switched sides to kill this bill. All of the “green” crap is going to destroy us. He’s not up for re-election until 2024, and he would probably be re-elected if he switched.
People, you MUST vote in November and vote for your GOP candidates to win back the majorities so we don’t have to rely on the help of Manchins or Sinemas.
The Dems still have Delecto.
Thinking about this out loud. I’m really afraid that Manchin is being promised the moon so that he will institute the new green deal that they want SO badly. They will get their slightly truncated bill and throw in other things that will cost a fortune in the future so the bill will turn into the $1.5 trillion boondoggle they had originally proposed. We haven’t seen the bill, so who knows what is stuck in there? Whatever is passed is money we don’t have which will exacerbate inflation for the benefit of other countries. I don’t trust these conniving neocons one iota.
If Manchin’s threat is to switch political parties, how does he then become a Democrat Party candidate? That will be the hold that they have on him NOT to switch parties even if they don’t pass the permitting law that he has gotten them to agree to (verbally?), but not pass before the green new deal.
We don’t want Manchin in the Republican Party where he will be a RINO of the worst sort.
excellent consideration of his being overcome by power greed.
“you can’t cheat an honest man” W.C Fields
But there aren’t any in DC, the district of criminals and corruption.
Manchin is promised to be Kamala’s VP.
100 bucks says the dims reneg on the deal and Manchin doesn’t change parties. deep state framejob and blackmail
I imagine Sinema will have a list also.
HE IS STILL A POS ….WHY NOT BE HONEST WITH THE WV PEOPLE HE SOLD US OUT THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER BILL DONE ….PERIOD TIME IS OUT AND THEY ARE DONE IN NOVEMBER
I don’t see Manchin having as much leverage as those who wrote this piece seem to think.
The threat of changing parties is leverage only when the Senate is evenly split. This probably won’t matter one way or the other after the Mid-terms in November even though the current Senate will be active for 2 more months. If the new Senate is split 52-48, then all leverage is lost.
What Manchin needs to do is to say that the bill containing his demands must be passed and signed before he agrees to vote for this spending bill. Democrats have been known to reneg after getting their half of the agreement; saying that one Congress can not bind the next and it’s too late in the year to get these bills passed this year.
unfortunately, this senate (and House) have power until January 2023. They could even get rid of FJB and Harris, to induct Pelosi, or duck pelosi and appoint hillary.
Would any of this have bearing on who is Senate Pro Tem in the presidential succession?
Pres,
VPres, S
peaker of the House,
Senator Pro tem?
Grassley vs. Leahy?
If Manchin switched during this session the GOP would be the majority party.
Right now there are 50 Rs, 48 Ds, and 2 Is. The Is are siding with the Ds (I wish we didn’t allow this) so that makes 50 Ds and 50 Rs. Kamala is the tiebreaker and she’s a D, so it’s 51 D to 50 R.
If Manchin switches sides Kamala is irrelevant and the count is 49 D and 51 R.
What would be awesome would be for him to switch after the legislation is signed. 🤣🤣🤣
They’re going to reneg on this. That’s for sure. Then he’ll attempt to primary Brandon, in the process the Democrats losing a Senate seat.
Well, if he changes parties AND gets the RINOS and usual culprits to support him as the nominee, and if certain things happen to prevent a certain someone(s) from running for the GOP, might he be acclaimed as the perfect compromise candidate in 2024? Being the saviour of Oil & Gas etc.
It might be the perfect plan. The hated Dems are turfed out for a GOP/Uniparty President to fool the rubes into thinking that it’s actually a change in Government.
Cue the takeover of elections by the Feds.
Good bye USA. Hello the Democratic Republic of America.
The Constitution (origination clause) does NOT require that spending bills originate in the House. Neither does the appropriation clause.
Hope Joe doesn’t have a “heart attack”.
Even if Manchin defects the entire GOP Senate roster is completely compromised. I have seen three Val Demmings ads for Senate, one where she is basically calling out Foam Boy Rubio for “not doing his job” and to be honest, I have’t seen the dude in over a year. I am ready to put out an Amber Alert for the guy. Maybe he got Bieber face and has been in seclusion. Looks to me like he is going to take a dive and let Val slide in so any gain of a RINO Manchin is a wash and boom the deals fall apart.
The Full Ginsburg today, huh? Something’s up.
With Republicans like Lisa Murkowski what difference does Manchin switching really make?
Doesn’t seem to matter that much if The Turtle gets in power again. The Turtle, being a passive aggressive snake, prefers to be in the minority. He enjoys that end of the stinking swamp.
And, this whole discussion seems to put aside what I learned in 2015 by hanging out in the Treehouse: THE UNIPARTY is the ruling party.
The alphabet letter behind the name means nothing.
Right?
“Why should Americans believe you now when you say this new bill will not exacerbate inflation?” Baier asked.
“I’ll make sure I don’t make that mistake again,” Manchin said. “Bottom line, I’ll make sure I didn’t make that mistake again.”
If they don’t follow through, he bolts.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/manchin-admits-mistake-saying-past-spending-bill-wouldnt-cause-inflation
The Dems aren’t swayed by a Joe Manchin threat, they will just work on some similar game where they can get Murkowski or Romney to switch to a Democrat… this is no big deal..
NOVEMBER IS CLOSE… VOTE RED, EVEN RINOS!
NO RINOs.
He’s probably thinking he’s ridden this fake “moderate Democrat” shtick about as long as he can and has to make a change to a new position of leverage. He is as unprincipled as any of them, don’t be fooled.
Joe is not the moderate democrat that some people think he is. He is shrewd. Manchin comes from a very red state. He wants to keep his government job. Joe knows that Schumer will not hold up his end of the deal. Manchin is just as far left as the rest of the democrats.
A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. Parlor games amongst thieves. Don’t hold your breath. Meanwhile, Americans get hammered from the cronyism and grift of the ‘Green New Deal’
Assuming this is true, and assuming Manchin is being sincere, then he’s even stupider than he thought. Pelosi & Schumer will do what they always do in any legislative deal: get what they want and not uphold their end of the deal.
My money is on Schumer & Pelosi to send a seriously watered down energy regulatory bill to a vote in order to save their “perfect puppet” from the hair-on-fire climate control minions who will then threaten to take down Dementia Joe to install their sister in stupidity, Harris.
The legislation would require taking out, oh….10-15 Executive Orders perfect puppet Biden signed the day he took office.
“the devil is in the details”.
The 2 bills would surely be meaningless gibberish which protects nothing. But they would have a phony opposite-title like “saving energy and freedom snd the American way !!!”.
Perzactly!
As everyone out there is surely aware by now, the 100 member exclusive club known as the United States Senate is composed of the most accomplished deceivers in the history of the world. Believe nothing you see or hear, trust no one or anything in any way related to that group of political prostitutes. Did y’all notice the disgusting lapel pin worn by the Senator from West Virginia? I guess it’s official now . . . we are living in the Ukrainian States of America. AND he is probably wearing PURPLE undershorts too !!!
The Globalists United Party rules, how do I know,well . . . I AM THE GREAT CORNYNHOLIO !!!!
I couldn’t tell, is it a you-crane lapel pin?
Nevermind, I see now that you said ukranian states of America.
Every member of Congress is bribed or blackmailed, Epstein-style.
This is just a silly song and dance … the MIC and shareholders of the Federal Reserve call the tune.
Manchin should ask for his legislation and regulatory changes be passed and signed into law first, otherwise the demonrats will drag it out into the next congress, when they may not control the senate, but may have enough members to filibuster any energy bill.
These people are snakes and can’t be trusted.
And where does this leave Sinema? How do Masters and Lake poll in Arizona against Dems?
Sorry, but I fail to see any WOW factor here.
One word: Uniparty.
If RINOS control the Senate, how much will REALLY change?
The pace of Treason might slow down, but will never be stopped.
I suppose I should be happy that, if they do renege on the deal, Manchin would switch parties, and slow down the treason.
“It’s better than nothing.”
Yes, (sigh), but…
It is a good assessment , but Manchin does not have the spine or balls to really follow through with such ‘ leverage ‘. I’m closer to thinking he promised to block some other legislative ‘ wish list ‘ item(s) that Dems. are equally hungry to pass. ( Ahem …… Gun Grab bill – HR 1808 for example )
What are Dems just as chomping at the bit to pass ?
He switched to the Uniparty already