As the beatification of Saint Zelenskyy continues in the west, the Ukrainian president signs a request for EU membership. The propaganda is thick obviously as these things take years; however, when the social media optics of World War Reddit need an angle, well, the selfie star is mandated to comply.
The western propaganda campaign continues in stunning form as the U.S. State Department coordinates the collaboration of global elites in their campaign against Russia. However, there are a few conservative voices in the U.S, and the people outside the beltway who have started figuring this all out, beginning to wonder if the assembly of global leftists is really the Ukrainian cocktail party they want to attend.
Everything surrounding the propaganda push continues unabated, as the public image of Volodymyr Zelenskyy is maintained by the very best efforts of Madison Avenue, Hollywood and Silicon Valley. All the best people, you know, the ‘elites’, are flowing in one direction.
At this point in the dynamic, the Big Tech social media groups have fulfilled the demands of the White House, State Dept, intelligence agencies, United Nations, EU, NATO, World Economic Forum, George Soros and U.S. Foreign Relations Committee, and rallied the collective west to defeat Russia using the cultural weapon of social likeability.
It is verboten to speak about warrior Zelenskyy with anything other than heroism. References of David and Goliath are recommended.
BRUSSELS, Feb 28 (Reuters) – European Union leaders may discuss the possibility of Ukrainian membership at an informal summit in March, a senior EU official said on Monday, adding the issue was important for Ukraine in discussions with Russia on ending the conflict.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Monday that he had signed an official request for Ukraine to join the bloc. “I think one of the reasons that this is important for President Zelenskiy is also potentially in some of the discussions with Russia on a way out,” the official said referring to talks to end the conflict.
“On the application (of Ukraine for EU membership) I think it’s important not to get ahead of ourselves,” the official, who asked not to be named, said. “It obviously has not yet been received, but this whole question of the Ukraine situation is something that’s very much on the minds of the leaders.”
The bloc’s top diplomat Josep Borrell said the immediate priority was to provide practical support to Ukraine to counter the Russia invasion, rather than discussing long-term issues which could take years. (read more)
As the western political battle for the hearts and minds of the world continue, the villain in the script, Russian President Vladimir Putin, appears to be concentrating his efforts in ridding eastern Ukraine of the military units who have been shelling the Donbas region for approximately 8 years.
Unlike the approach to the population centers, it appears unlikely there will be any mercy for the Ukrainian army in that sector of the country.
When Zelensky had a chance to help his nation (PDJT impeachment) he was found lacking. Just another pussy afraid of Twitter.
Actually, Zelensky did say there was nothing wrong with President Trump’s phone call.
We had the transcript of the perfect phone call who cares what he said about that. What he didn’t do was spill the beans on Hunter and the big guy. He knew the hand who fed him.
Why do you think that Biden’s boy Poroshenko didn’t shred those documents on the way out?
Zelenskyy opened up an investigation into Burisma’s corrupt dealing with the Biden crime family when he got into office in 2019. Whatever information he would have to share would have to come from that.
It’s too bad Trump didn’t mention all the other money launderers during that call. It would’ve made it sound less like he was targeting Biden the candidate. I understand why he did it/said it that way, and likely no matter what the DS would try to spin it their way.
Trump didn’t install Zelensky. Why would he stick his neck out to help Trump who was frustrating Zelensky’s keepers?
So he wouldn’t have to go through the crap he going through now? Dunno. Maybe it is because I want someone that can’t be ignored to blow the whistle on Joe and Hunter. Frustrating we all know and they get away w/it.
Maybe all this crap was part of the plan – a plan that Zelensky knew about. His team sure is working the social media like an American lefty would.
Actually most sane people realize that staying out of another nation’s political wars is the smart thing to do.
Leftists, Democrats and the DC foreign policy establishment aren’t sane—if they’re even human.
Zelensky chose poorly and will pay the price.
A few sites that I used to visit now and then, and that have claimed they are conservative, are buying into the Deep State/DOW propaganda completely as reflected by the stories they are posting and the comments. It is amazing to me that this orchestrated sh*t show has been so effective in brainwashing everyone into the Putin bad–St. Zelensky beyond good.
yup, most of american thinker, 100% fed up, gateway pundit started strong down that path, is maybe now re-orienting
Like they are fainting away … into the arms of their enemies.
A manufactured war – like George H. W. Bush and his Gulf War.
Worth remembering that Soros wants a NWO…and is vocally supporting Ukraine. Fog of war indeed.
This is a war of choice for Putin, just as Iraq was for Bush/Cheney
They’re both crooks. But the question is.. do we REALLY want to watch Putin add more territory to Russia?
Even with Ukraine, Russia is NOT a threat to the U.S.
Why not? And he has made it clear that he is not interested in taking over the country, only protecting the areas with ethnic Russians ((which have been living with bombing for 8 years) and getting rid of the Nazis.
There are no good guys in this.
Exactly. This kabuki passion play war was utterly preventable except for the globalists and DC establishment.
And I’m not too sure Zelensky & Co. didn’t want the war. They sure could have prevented it.
Hmm….comment didn’t pick up my avatar
And profit from it.
Wrong. Zelenskyy is. The people of Ukraine are.
0bama replaced Putin’s puppet in Kiev with his own puppet, Poroshenko.
Zeleskyy is a right-populist like Trump who won an unexpected victory in 2019.
He’s OUR guy. He’s not Biden’s guy.
And that’s why Biden all but invited Putin to invade.
He sure seems like Biden’s guy now.
Nope. He sure isn’t.
Biden totally disengaged.
He’s filling his diaper with softserve in Deleware right now.
Biden tried to get Zelenskyy out of Ukraine at the first opportunity, because he wants Zelenskyy gone just as much as Putin does.
As far as final goals go, Biden and Putin are pretty well aligned on Ukraine.
I wouldn’t say he’s a right populist, but he does seem much more off the leash than Poroshenko was.
Zelensky’s playing a part, according to the script he was given by the psycho Globalist predators… He’s a well-known Ukrainian actor/comedian, who had his own show for years, in which he played – get this – the Ukrainian President. And, Soros then parlayed that into his actually becoming the Ukrainian President. Connect the dots.
Zelensky was installed by Soros… He is NOT “our guy”, unless by “our” you mean that you’re one of the psycho Globalist predators…???
Townhall is right there along side them too.
Zelenskyy is Ukraine’s Trump.
He is a right-populist who in 2019 defeated the corrupt CIA-backed candidate that Biden, Clinton, and 0bama had been doing “business” with since 2014.
America would be much better off if Zelenskyy was our president right now.
Not convinced.
That’s because you’re not informed.
okey dokey
YOU are the one not informed correctly, as I just pointed out above. But, then, we’re NOT supposed to be informed correctly – so, you’re playing your part correctly, according to what the psycho Globalists predators want. Congrats.
Well, I’ve heard that Zelensky threw a number of journalists in jail some years ago. Now for a nation that wants to prove that it is ready to orient itself to the West, I think that will leave a bad after taste. Zelensky is not all that he’s puffed up to be.
Journalists, huh?
You sound like a progressive.
As I just commented to someone else, Zelensky is a well-known Ukrainian actor/comedian who had his own show for years in which he played – get this – the Ukrainian President. Soros parlayed that into his actually being “voted” in as the Ukrainian President. Zelensky is playing his part, according to the script given to him by the psycho Globalists predators… Follow the money, connect the dots.
For a Vegas act, these guys are pretty good.
The “Story” is now pretty obvious to anyone paying attention.
So few pay attention.
Most do the bare minimum (ie watch/read state sponsored news), so that they can pretend they have been paying attention.
Just make sure you’re paying attention to the REAL story, and not the one from people who don’t know the difference between Zelenskyy and Poroshenko.
They want to cancel Ukraine so the CIA propped country does not spill the beans about them. Jimmy Carter only messed up a little – gas prices, copter crash to save hostages, lost of Iran…..Biden has out done him 100x, loss of Ukraine and Afghan, military mess in Afghan, gas prices through the roof with double digit inflation in several areas, pandemic disaster with more deaths than before the vax.
LGB!
And the U.S. border and the drooling and stuttering.
Are they prepared to murder Zelenskyy to further their lies? Sundance, when you mention beatification, that immediately came to mind as I just read a Mail piece that alleged Putin has 400 mercenaries from the Wagner Group in Ukraine with a kill list.
Kills via drone strike – good
Mercenaries with kill list – bad
Same mission
Different propaganda tactics
Ha, Hillary wanted to take Assuage out with a drone strike. She must be Putin bastard relative /s
The problem with a drone strike is it would be traceable back to a government.
The only thing I believe the Mail got right is that there are mercenaries positioned to act in Ukraine if activated. We will not know who activated them. It could be someone other than Putin and Russia.
you did not counted Kadyrov’s boys….and they highly professional soldiers(killers)..
If Putin wanted to assassinate Zelensky, why would he have invaded? The Western lie smells.
His team is good at making cocktails. Yes, I will take a little Stoli in that Litvinenko gimlet.
What if TPTB-Globalists got Zelensky to do that to create plausible deniability- if they are planning to “take out” Zelensky but want to create confusion and direct blame toward Putin and Russia –
seems like a real emotional button-pusher kind of photo emphasizing Z’s small stature, vulnerability.
The Globalist Mafia – worse than The Five Families ever thought of being – they are ravening wolves.
Coki, I suggest the Occupant and Cheat is willing to sacrifice Zelenskyy, not that Putin wants to do that.
If Putin wanted Zelenskyy dead do you think he’d be taking selfies everyday?
Perhaps my comment was obtuse. I intended to imply the Occupant and Cheat would benefit the most by Zelenskyy being liquidated. And the Intelligence Community would not hesitate to blame Putin for something THEY did.
Putin had no choice but to take right of the line – to recreate a buffer between NATO (left of line Ukraine) and Russia
He wants control of the Dnieper River an important strategic navigable waterway to the Black Sea.
smart….
and this split gives Ukraine a face to keep their country.
And unknown to me.
Ukraine (I’m sure at the instruction of Globalists) had built a Dam to cut off Crimea’s water supply?
Which I do believe Putin rolled in and destroyed on day 1 of “WWIII”
And what of all the other NATO members that border Russia? You might want to look at that map again. Even better: Russia essentially has a border with Japan and has fought wars against them before. What is in Japan? United States military bases, who have been there for decades and the next time that they threaten a Russian interest will be the first. Putin is lying and you guys keep believing him. Why?
Perzactly! Thanks WeeWeed.
What we have here is as if the Cuban Missile Crisis went on for over 30 years….instead of days.
The no choice thing is debatable but we know he was serious about moving on eastern Ukraine at some point.
winter need of Russian Energy by Europe dwindles as the days go warmer now. it was Now or never.
1) Putin maximized profits of Europe purchases during Winter – to offset Sanctions and pay people to stay loyal
2) Last second of winter he intiates this..
Pushing NATO to Russia ‘s borders initiated this
You know what would be super great?
Even just some modicum, if not a heaping helping, of ironclad proof that this conspiracy theory claptrap involving President Zelensky, the entire Ukrainian government, and all of Ukraine isn’t propaganda in and of itself and is, in fact, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth….. so help you God.
Could you do that? That would be great.
I don’t remember seeing you post before – I think I would remember if Felix was a frequent poster.
I do not know what that has to do with my original post, absolutely nothing apparently, but okay—I’ve been posting here on CTH for a few years. Perhaps I don’t post enough for you to be capable of maintaining a memory of my Felix the Cat avatar, but that’s a personal problem of yours. Certainly not mine. I’m sure there are some who would recognize my avatar though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I recognize your avatar. Always reminds me of our old kitchen clock.
Everything as you called out Sundance and seem to have a special interest in the US deepstate’s side of this.
Motzilla raises one of the key points of the discussion: proof of what is real regarding some strong assertions.
Over the past week, we first saw posts that Russia would never invade Ukraine. Then Russia did invade. Then we saw Sundance post yesterday that: “Pay no attention to the absence of any war fighting actually taking place.”
Both of those things were obviously wrong. In response, posters have pointed out the fake images, which were enlightening to see, but still there is very clearly a war going on.
Now, we have an assertion that Ukraine is part of a globalist plot. Seems logical, but given what we have just seen that was incorrect from both Sundance and posters (Russia did invade, there is a war going on), it would be nice to see the evidence. IN other words, evidence that Putin is not just invading for his/Russian designs (such as protection from NATO expansion and missiles on the Russian border) but for the assertion that Putin was goaded or tricked into this war by the globalists.
The CTH offers a forum for a free discussion of these ideas. Motzilla is just asking for some concrete evidence.
You will dismiss anything you don’t want just as you dismiss massive real world data on the COVID vaxx deaths and long term health.
You aren’t here to discuss.
You are here to dispute. At the very least, be honest about that.
In the past, I have pointed out obvious errors that posters have made. I hold a Ph.D. in Biology and teach graduate-level courses at a university. I have a family member that is a medical doctor that has been working on COVID-19. If I find some obvious misinformation, I try to help the CTH community by pointing out the misinformation. If you are not open to my pointing out clear misinformation, then that is on you.
I’m a die-hard conservative and a Trump supporter. I don’t present the information from the left, but simply counter misinformation. I felt it was making a valuable contribution to CTH.
But, it has become obvious that certain CTH posters are inhospitable for any point that doesn’t confirm with their point of view and don’t want alternative viewpoints to appear in their safe space.
So, once again, I will stop visiting and posting here and give you your safe space.
I got a phd!! Ha HA Ha ROTFLMAO
Try getting a real job.
The whole damn ds has phd’s and look where we are!!
Don’t leave. I’ve been a conservative and commenter on most of the popular conservative blogs since blogs have existed. Yet whenever I point out something on our side that seems off, I get slammed as a troll or rolecon. I appreciated that Sundance followed the “Russia will not invade” post with a post admitting he was wrong. Most commenters of any stripe are not big enough to do so. We are not immune to being wrong or to the human instinct of herd mentality.
Ha, “Don’t leave” Sorry, begging is not required. People here are thick skinned and can take it. Sorry, I am not going to walk on egg shells. Have confidence in what you say. This is not political correct “safe space” Keep on point and lets move on.
Yes the Russian have invaded parts of Ukraine. Asking for more information is require to know the real deal. Keep checking this site out and the facts will follow.
I consider this place safer than most but I don’t have the education or the many years continual observation, good memory etc so it’s better for me to mostly just read. Ideally, since we are all floundering around trying to figure this out, we can bring our pieces of info & knowledge and contribute. I have always been impressed with the strong positive relationships between some treepers and that this place has stayed civil without apparent hovering admin necessary. So in that spirit I would like to take advantage of your knowledge if you would be so kind?
OK. Here I go. Preface with we know that US has multiple biolabs in Ukraine. Also many global pharmaceutical companies operate there (and in Russia.) Tomorrow was supposed to be start date for some major bioweapon research and I suspect that Putin’s timing has alot to do with that date. LGB slandered (?) Putin with possibly twisting his intent with equipment he brought in – blood supplies and trucks supposedly having the capacity to vaporize human bodies. In my theory “participants” in these studies may need fresh blood to purge their bodies of contaminents and give them a chance to heal. If the “participants” die they may well be a serious biohazard and “vaporizing” their bodies may be the only safe option to avoid endangering others. My burning question is we know that virus’ can maim and kill but are there situations where virus’ can alter or enhance human function?
If you need me to share documents floating around the internet I can but it may take me a day or so to get back. TIA!
The propaganda is thick and plentiful. I don’t think anybody has a handle on the situation as a whole.
Certain people are in way over their head and lack any real understanding of what’s been going on in Ukraine, particularly since 2019. So they’re trying to connect it to what they know, which is US domestic politics.
They’ve made a real mess of things with their assbackwards conclusions.
Hopefully they will get on the right side and make a course correction.
I have difficulty accepting “Putin was tricked”. He is no fool and hasn’t lasted this long steeped in cold war leadership by being easily duped.
Like the fake bus on Jan. 6 that the Fbi was using and it got towed way by DC police, I am guessing the Intel community screwed up here and they are going to keep getting worst. The nice thing about not telling a lie is you do not have to remember anything. They have a lot of remembering to do.
Wouldn’t help. You have:
real world physical evidence: Hunter Biden’s emails/laptop
documented proof of US involvement in Maidan revolt
proven connections of Obama/Clinton with Ukraine
proven role of Ukraine in the Trump impeachment fraud
All of this is real, has been documented on this website and forced into public record by Congressional hearings (including the impeachment/Mueller hearings).
You “pretend not to know”. You will deny it all and brand it conspiracy and then demand more proof which you will also reject.
So no, there is no “modicum” on Earth that will ever meet your needs because you don’t want proof. You want compliance.
NO.
None of that is proof of the ‘globalist’ intents and vast sinister plots and motivations suggested in the main post. Nor in any of the other Ukraine posts over the last several days. I have nothing but an abiding respect for Sundance, CTH, and the entire CTH family, but I just simply asked for proof, and for your efforts you provide none whatsoever. Furthermore, you then chastise and belittle me for simply asking for proof then further disparage me personally flatly stating that I don’t want proof and I want some sort of “compliance”…. whatever that means. If someone was to ask me what I thought of you after your post, I’d say you don’t want to be helpful, you just want to be a tool.
NO. You’re wrong, and you’re being not the least bit helpful.
Your concept of “abiding respect” has no semblance to reality.
Your inability to see the connections in all the corrupt “intelligence” actors involving not just US but foreign governments is also fraudulent. You can not be unaware of it. You can lie that you don’t see it but you can’t pretend that they haven’t been documented here.
You are not asking for proof. You are rejecting it.
Yes. I am indeed not being helpful.
If you are smart enough to ask the question, than you are smart enough to find the truth.
when you don’t have the intellect to reason……….
To quote one of my favorite philosophers of the twentieth century.
You don’t need to be a weatherman to see which way the wind blows.
Putin has said for multiple years that Ukraine being in NATO is a red line for him.
NATO and US government have continually hinted that they would welcome Ukraine at some point.
NATO’s only reason for being ( since the dismantling of the Warsaw pact) is to be an enemy of Russia.
Russia has stated categorically that they are not on board with the whole woke/new world order.
Ukraine seems to be a giant money laundering op for US politicians of both parties.
Russia has stated over and over that all they want are security guarantees.
The real question is, after all that has transpired over the last five years alone, why would anyone accept anything the media or gov spox say as credible? until proven?
Another great philosopher once said, “who you gonna believe, me, or your lying eyes?”
Another guy said “Trust, but verify”.
Preponderance of evidence.
Solid.
Do you know the difference between Zelenskyy and Poroshenko?
Doesn’t seem like it. But that is sadly par for the course around here.
You are on the right track
1) Prior to this Ukraine Russia WARRRRRRRrr – parents from all sides were ready to hang Biden; Citizens were ready to thrown Biden out of the House for forcing injections and terrorizing us with COVID.
and now? POOOOF its all forgotten, its alll overwhelmed with a new freaking orchaestrated disaster .
You sure about that?
It hasn’t been forgotten. Biden has 37% approval. Before this crisis it was 39%.
Covid pandemic….what pandemic? Inflation…really? Oh, that’s right, it’s Putin’s fault.
The tail is furiously wagging the dog.
Adolescent sneering doesn’t work here. Just so you know.
Making a simple request for proof in the pudding, something obviously lacking here to anyone with an ounce of intellect and honesty, is not at all “adolescent sneering”.
But your kneejerk hectoring is certainly as adolescent as it can get, and that much is true. Just so you know.
It’s not like Joe blow is going to get impeached over a phone call.
Oh what great logic and reasoning you have dear Sir or Madame! I’ll bite on the challenge and serve back.
Here’s what would be “super great” too!
Kindly answer the following questions with “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you, God” as you asked of Sundance. These will be simple questions, unlike the complicated real world situation of Ukraine with politics from many players involved.
–” Making a simple request for proof in the pudding, something obviously lacking here to anyone with an ounce of intellect and honesty, is not at all “adolescent sneering”.–
Prove it all using your own requirements of the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!
What is your proof/truth that it was only “a simple request”?
What is your proof/whole truth that “something is lacking here”?
What is your proof/nothing but the whole truth that you or “anyone with an ounce of intellect and honesty, is not at all “adolescent sneering”?
Prove you have an ounce of intellect! Prove you have honesty!
Prove that Betsy jones has a knee! That it was that particular part that jerked! That it was indeed hectoring! What is your definition of ‘hectoring’.
Prove that only adolescents are capable of “knee-jerk hectoring”.
And I expect those very simple questions to be answered with the ‘truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth’ so I can enjoy snipping every single answer you give that it was not the “whole truth” because quite frankly neither you, nor I, nor anyone can know, much less divine or define “the whole truth”!
Your argumentation skills are actually quite adolescent in nature and device, but I’m sure you feel they are most masterful and sublime compared to all us “obviously lacking” what you know.
With that, kind Sir or Madame, I bid you a good day.
Let me know where you can get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Sundance is basing his writing on the facts, as we know them and articulated against the history we’ve seen in at least the past 15 years.
Feel free to do better.
Exactly, well said.
+1
Swear a few people in, and see if they tell you the truth. Lol
When I see crooks getting their order of freedom medals from Ukraine, that’s all the proof I need.
I think they need to review the sworn testimony of former Ukraine ambassador Yovanovitch.
Epstein didn’t kill himself and Hillary’s emails didn’t just disappear.
I don’t have a modicum of evidence.
McCain and Graham foment war with Russia. BTW, where is Lindsey these days? Unusually quiet for that guy under these circumstances!
Don’t forget the other senator that was there at the time, Klobuchar! That’s her directly on the right of Mcstain.
Former President Poroshenko of Ukraine meets with widow McCain in Kyiv. Never forget Cindy endorsed Biden for President to keep the secrets in the family.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/2672440-president-poroshenko-met-with-widow-of-us-senator-mccain.html
Ok….just to clarify…who in CTH sphere, are we rooting for?
Ukraine guy? So if NATO helps, has to be quite about Joe and Crackhead Hunter?
Or (I can spell) Putin? Who had enough western BS to roll in hard on a former Soviet state just as corrupt as US, Ukraine and Russia.
Asking cause it blows my mind 🥷🏿
This is not our fight, Europeans have to make the decision.
This is the best question I have seen raised., and I have wondered the same thing. Who Are the good guys?
No one.
Including the United States’ government.
^^^^THIS^^^^
Especially the US Government.
Maybe in places like Ukraine there are none
… just a thought
maybe the truth and national soverntity. Respect for borders and Treaties. That is the side, not a person, not a govt.
Nato has illegally stuck its nose under Russias tent and the US used our blood and treasure to seal the deal. Nato has no right in this. Don’t forget that. The comedian is a puppet. He was installed in a coup the US STate Dept constructed. Hunter was on Burisma, remember that. Crowd strike drives are in Ukraine, don’t forger that.
You’re buying the media propaganda. This pure cointel pro on the American Public. The people of Ukraine don’t like Zelensky. Their economy is in shambles, their health system in shambles, this is all Zelensky is for democracy. Democracy is two wolves and sheep decideing what is for dinner.
Russia will not allow Ukraine to become a member of NATO that is not going to happen, and if they try. Things will start to glow, he is not bluffing. NATO has pushed this, Nato is the WEF and more.
Stay of Russia’s business. There will not be a problem
the fact they are pushing he is unstabble, is very troubling. False flag based on this scenario to make you think he is. He is being very stable in trying to recover what is theres.
Th
The innocent bystanders just wanting to be left alone to live their lives.
Well, we know Jennifer Griffin is for Ukraine, so there is that because you know she is the smartest most experienced gal on the topic. /////
The good guys are the people who do the work, pay the taxes, and take the blame for the elites who appetite for power and money is never satisfied.
We are.
Unfortunately our weapon of choice had his (our) power stolen in 2020.
We’re now fighting the best we can in a war of information.
I would say that there are no good guy’s here.
But given what has been going on for the last few years, one could make an argument that Putin is not at the top of the bad list.
Ideally, both would lose but Zelenzky was selected by Soros and our State Dept just as Biden was selected.
… Zelenzky was selected by Soros and our State Dept just as Biden was selected … says all you need to know I’d suggest. my enemy’s enemy is my friend.
Another Treeper that doesn’t know the difference between Zelenskyy and Poroshenko.
Seems to be contagious around here.
Zelenskyy defeated the guy you’re actually talking about in 2019 in a populist revolt.
Just like our Trump did in 2016. Exactly like.
If you know President Trump’s story, you know Zelenskyy’s.
We re rooting for a state department and CIA that doesn’t keep screwing us and other countries over. We Putin is ruthless we know Zekenskyy is an idiot. We know Ukrainians should be getting killed right now. We also know how our propaganda organs operate now and we don’t the players they serve. There’s a reason why hasn’t used bombers to level Kiev and Kharkov and it’s not due to ghosts of Kiev.
Typo shouldn’t be getting killed right now.
No problem Marcus, I filled in the blanks ! lol
The correct answer is us.
Ha, interesting question, but not. Obviously “I’m” not rootin for Putin but this event is “self inflected” by our Intelligence community (got ask if that is an oxymoron).
I am rooting for Poland. I think “the people” of Ukraine know what to do. NATO is a joke. Trump tired to do something about it and he was shut down.
I am rooting for Ukraines. They are sitting on a huge source of food for the world.
At least Putin had more belief in his religion than Biden.
https://religionfacts.com/putin
The Ukraine ranks 47 in the list of countries for total exports. The US buys very little from them. They do not provide a “huge source of food for the world”, mostly export to China and the EU.
rooting for Russia to kick the shit out the CABAL – so its weaker for us to clean up
Biden for Ukraine
Harris for Ukraine
Trudeau for Ukraine
Chrysthia Freeland for Ukraine
Hillary for Ukraine
Victoria Nuland for Ukraine
Obama for Ukraine
Bush for Ukraine
Blinken for Ukraine
Kerry for Ukraine
Romney for Ukraine
CIA is for Ukraine
NATO is for Ukraine
FOX, CNN, MSNBC, PBS for Ukraine
EU for Ukraine
Boris for Ukraine
Macron for Ukraine
Did I miss anyone?
And Trump is for who?
The American People.
The truth about the nastiness in Ukraine–Ukranian Azov Nazis, globalist rats’ (including USA swamp rats) money-laundering and bioweapons labs, puts me on the side of Putin. His efforts are to squash the globalists and their corrupt and dangerous activities, squash the destructive Nazi element, and protect the borders of his country with a buffer perimeter.
I am not saying that I idolize Putin, but here and now he looks to me to be the intelligent one in the conflict, one who cares about the sovereignty of his country–preservation of its population and economy.
Yea, that thought crossed my mine too. Knock off Soros and Klaus would be great. Kind rooting for a the fight to death by both teams then humanity wins.
Maybe God plan is in play.
Don’t root… Pray for the Ukrainian civilians stuck in the middle of a bunch of powers who don’t give two wet farts about whether they live or die as long as the powers get their way.
No one. Its a civil war and none of my business. I got sucked into a civil war a long time ago and it didnt end well.
I root for the US IC and US globalists to be ousted from Ukraine. With the US influence gone, there is less dirt…still dirty but let the neighbors clean up their neighborhood.
There is nobody to root for. The whole thing is a vipers nest.
But if we have to root for someone, root for the American middle class which is getting whipsawed into oblivion.
Screw the corrupt socialist European order. Their masks are off.
The solution is simple. Vox populi, vox Dei.
I’m all for the Wilsonian concept of self-determination. Let’s the people in eastern Ukraine, mostly ethnic Russians, have a plebiscite on whether to remain in Ukraine or become part of Russia.
So will Putin then decide to annex Ukraine or make them a vassal state with no say in their own foreign policy? I have no beef either way, but if I were leading Russia in this war, I’d want the most favorable outcome. That would include control of Ukraine one way or another: either outright annexation, or forcing them into neutrality with no chance of joining the globalist EU.
It was called Finlandization during the cold war. Finland stayed out of east-west issues and in return the USSR didn’t conquer or annihilate them.
He doesn’t want Ukraine. He wants free elections in the provinces of the Donbass region in the eastern border with Russia per the 2014 Minsk agreement for which Putin has been patiently waiting, so the people there can have a say if they want to join Russia. They are very closely aligned with mother Russia, speak Russian and are controlled by an extreme Ukrainian Nazi faction that has maliciously killed 100 residents; and this paramilitary group is supported by the US govt. Putin wants peace there for these people and has grown impatient.
He also wants official recognition by Ukraine for Crimea as part of Russia. Putin also wants assurances that Ukraine will not join NATO so as to further threaten Russia which is surrounded entirely in their western borders by NATO countries which he feels is a great threat to his nation and to his people.
The request appears reasonable but will never be reasonable to the US because Ukraine holds many secrets and the US needs to maintain tight control over them.
Zelensky is in a tough spot. Even if he wants to agree to these terms to bring peace to his country, the US will replace him and perhaps kill him to get someone in there that will toe the line for the US and to continue the money laundering and rape/pillage if the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainian avg wage is $210/wk.
Zelensky is much like Kim Jong-il, caught between 2 superpowers and just trying to survive and trying to figure out where he should lean.
Let’s not forget, he also just begged to join NATO. And now he’s begging to join the EU – while trying negotiating peace with Russia? Either he’s desperate or deceptive and wants to provoke Russia into a war.
Remember, Eastern and Western Ukrainians are sharply divided on the matter of joining NATO and/or EU.
Even in the regions that favor NATO and/or EU, the ‘yes’ percentages are not an absolute majority.
So much for citizens deciding among themselves.
We’ve got another globalist play here: Create a crisis, and SHOVE it down their throats.
Also, if Zelensky and those who installed him force Ukraine into the EU, then Russia will, as Mearsheimer said, “wreck Ukraine.”
he is not a statesman or a diplomat or anything of the kind. He is ill equipped to be in charge of 40,000,000 people! Ukraine is not United you’ve got innocents who want to be left to live without having to make these hard decisions, there are the nazis longing for a Third Reich (along with a good amount of Germans) there are the Oligarchs, there is Crimea, and the donbas who want to be Russians.
putin I am sure would like his own puppeT running things in Kiev, but meanwhile bombing the damn to make the river flow downstream, and eliminating bio weapon labs and a bunch of killers is a good thing in my book.
zelensky is apparently a joke..the tv station he was acting on is owned by Ihor Kilomoisky of Barisma fame who took the 1.8 billion dollars that Biden and Kerry gave him and laundered it,
Never to be seen again…I think they made him governor in one of the states in Ukraine too!
Zelensky’s dirty. A puppet of the West. Poroshenko’s dirty. A puppet of the East, before Zelensky was installed. No heroes there, other than the people, as you said, who just want to be left alone.
Either those men are huge or he’s a very small human.
I personally support Russia because the people supporting Ukraine are the worst of the worst – Soros, the CIA, Hollywood celebrities, Democrats.
Bad Photoshop – I don’t trust nothing no more.
This is the way.
I shredded all my old photos. Someone (not sure who!) Photoshopped me as a younger, slimmer person who looks nothing at all like me! Aaaaa-hah!
It is an hour, but good, it is all Soros, and Canada, and CIA. So yeah, the Russians are looking to be the good guys. Besides I am really peeved over the petty act of pulling Russian vodka off the shelves. The jerk reaction I am seeing associated w/that idea is sickening. No one ever just stops and thinks, or chooses to be different, gotta jump on the band wagon.
I despise band wagon people. Anyway, Ukraine was created and designed to be a corrupt country to launder billions while the citizens make $200 a month.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VHud_qBZrhM/
Yes. And billions are laundered through Ukraine to benefit the drug-addled rulers of the United States. Meanwhile, low wage hourly workers with bona fide work injuries are denied Workmen’s Compensation that we pay for.
Eff them. Eff them all. And May the God protect all civilians and soldiers trapped by this disgusting “game”.
Ukraine Sunday Night Update – Isolated by the international community, Russia sends more troops to Ukraine
https://commoncts.blogspot.com/2022/02/ukraine-sunday-night-update-isolated-by.html
I’m not supporting any of my Ukrainian friends from here on out.
If they choose to join the EU (Clinton Obama Biden Globalist), which they have…. I’m done.
The whole of Ukraine does not want it. Even in the regions that favor EU or NATO, the percentages are not a clear majority.
BUT … they may be forced into it, whether they like it or not, after the West provoked this crisis.
Much like the whole of the US does not want Biden or Globalists.
Just as in the Ukraine, those of us opposed to the Biden Globalists are made to be inferior, unwashed, uneducated, not worthy of the “Elites”
Just as in the Ukraine, we are “forced” into it by just a large enough percentage to prevent removing the cancerous Government rats, supported by crooked Elections, stolen Valor, and a compliant media
Zelensky himself is trying to survive and caught between the East and the west. The best choice for him might unfortunately kill him.
Zelensky looks like a hostage in that photo! 😂
Yeah he’s a lot like Kim in Korea but we are less scrupulous than the Chinese.
US state department is pulling him in all directions.
Haha, true….blink 3 times is NATA and the CIA has a green dot on your back.
Yeah, everyone wants to join a military alliance after they have been invaded.
Like another commented: You don’t sign up for insurance after the accident.
We can certainly see more clearly than ever now why it is they got Trump out of the WH.
None of this could go forward with him there.
A lot of the Davos oligarchs are old and want to see the fruits of their labor before they die, I’d imagine.
Until a conservative …or even a Dem….starts using the word oligarch to refer to non-Ruskies too, American oligarchs and Western European oligarchs, until they start naming the puppetmasters by name, such as Soros, until they make people start talking about those names at the dinner table, we are impotent.
So far, no one on the Hill ever goes that far, ever tries to start an education campaign and then an actual ACTION CAMPAIGN. They are content to let Bannon and the people who appear on his show talk about real issues and real enemies.
Just as Americans are always suckers for a good hero story, I’d like to see if we could muster some heroes of another sort should they find out how they’d been played and their kids’ futures and lives sacrificed.
Nothing is on the horizon of that sort, though.
Even the Code Pink mothers managed to shine a light on the Iraq War with not that many people, but a willingness to find and use the cameras.
It seems that over 70+, maybe 80 million Americans can’t muster the activism and energy of a bunch of middle aged mothers and old grandmothers.
Which American businessmen would you describe as oligarchs? I have a few in mind.
That picture looks like three guys you could trust. Trust to be the bad guys in the next John Wick movie.
My worthless 2 cents: One of Americans’ weaknesses is our fondness for underdog/against-all-odds stories.
The West knows its people. They served it up and we (generally speaking) lapped it right up. Feels wins out and bypasses our skeptical sides.
For a day or two. I got the impression at church yesterday that a lot of people felt like there are more important things in their lives than Russia/Ukraine even after prayer from the pulpit for the Ukrainians.
Ezekiel 38 is a apt nowadays.
When we learn that Switzerland is foregoing “neutrality” in getting on the bandwagon against Russia, I want to know if the Swiss government is receiving great pressure and influence from the World Economic Forum . . .
if the Swiss government is abandoning “neutrality” will we see frozen Swiss bank accounts in the near future?
Asking for a friend.
Biden Harris Obama Crime family has not only succeeded at dividing us here in the USA….. they have now divided us and our foreign friends.
Being anti-tv, with limited choices on the radio, I am now left with no truthful information being available through “conservative talk”. Orders must have come down like a hammer on all “right of center”radio personalities, because it’s all about ” the brave people of Ukraine, Russian Vlad Bad”, ad nauseum. You’ll never find out the truth unless you go find it. They are hiding it the best they can, but it’s there to be found.
Real Americas Voice
The Zelensky butt kissing by the conservative talkers is mind numbingly disgusting. They hardly evr heard of the guy before the Trump phone call but now he’s a ‘war hero’.
@ Lee Smith DC is a sharp mind re geopolitical & domestic issues. He’s the author of The Permanent Coup & The Plot Against the President.
I understand he appeared on War Room with Steve Bannon today. You can download the podcast.
So Bannon’s War Room is another suggestion. He has good coverage- various voices. He stated Ukraine is not our fight, not in our back yard.
Am thankful for Sundance & an opportunity for thoughtful discussion.
Utilizing 2, maybe 3 well designed sentences, someone here with half a brain describe what they KNOW is occurring in Ukraine….please specifically reference the the current president of Ukraine, and the “Biteme” administration…..thanks.
WAY TOO MANY conspiracy theories out there right now, some of them here on CTH…. 🙂
The people installed at the helms of nations are short of smarts, strength, honor and integrity.
May God save us all for they will burn humanity to the ground.
For me, when Portman on FN says everyone is more united than 9/11 a very large ‘red flag’ goes up.
Doesnt Portman have a debate he can help prepare for?
agreed…
The beatification of Zelensky continues apace, even on usually-skeptical media:
Mysterious Large Circles On Russian Radar Turn Out To Be President Zelensky’s Massive Testicles
Actors gonna act.
Soros has told him what to do and he will do it.
US bioweapons labs in Ukraine: What will Russia find in the labs? And yet, no one is talking….
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/02/24/us-bioweapons-labs-in-ukraine-what-will-russia-find-in-the-labs/
The Facebook police won’t allow this to be posted. Duh! So, I posted it on XAPIT instead. Ha!
You can do all the political analyses you want and blame whoever you want. I don’t give a flying puck. We just received news that someone we know has been killed in action. Tell his children that this is a cia/ state department plot and that the photos are from a video game. I’m sure it will console them. Continue to play your games and congratulate yourselves on how smart you are. Meanwhile people are dying. This is real.
The compilation of ‘evidence’ out there supports your position, ala…this is real. I agree with you and continue to monitor….I believe there is a fairly large group of contributors on this website that have been misled and believe it truly is a sham…it’s not. Regardless, people-are-dying, Putin continues to threaten….that’s about it in a nutshell.
Please accept my sincere sympathy on the death of your friend. I am certain that many more Treepers join me.
Please do not blame or lash out at us because of your anger and grief.
We all know this is real. We all know that the Treehouse is a safe place we can come to for truths and support. This is a trusted zone for us.
well said
Thank you very much for your condolences. He was a wonderful guy with a fun personality and will be sorely missed. Perhaps all will remember that people are fighting and dying for their country and freedom and have no idea of what the WEF, CIA and any other alphabet entities are and could care less. I too thought the treehouse was a trusted zone. Now I’m having my doubts.
Frankly maybe they should care. When you’ve seen massive corruption exposed over the past 6 years and the hint of much more, why would any thinking person agree to be a tool of the deep state and allow themselves to be put in harms way for corrupt politicians past and present? No patriot should remain in the military or work for any part of this government. Harsh but true.
Yeah, and my sister is dead from the jab, for real. I wish governments didn’t kill people, but they do. Maybe we should stop killing people, and as a first step acknowledge that we are killing them? Join me?
Sorry for your loss. All casualties of government are to be mourned.
How many here are old enough to remember “what if they gave a war and nobody came?”
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That’s very sad. We don’t need to show our sympathy by sacrificing our children in a nefarious shfbrains WEF CIA-concocted conflagration that can do nothing to benefit the American people.
spoken like a true cynic……. 🙂 …. potentially exploiting a blunder having global impact …. perhaps. Not enough evidence yet of that… again… people-dying, Putin attacking ….that’s it in a nutshell.
No one has asked you to sacrifice your/our children. I’m as American as you are, just with different roots. There is such a thing as plain old fashioned humanity which has been sorely missing at the Treehouse these days. Good luck yo you as you type away.
Join me?
Already did. I mourn all casualties.
The ‘average’ american has zero clue what sacrifice is Mab, it’s about themselves, and their bank accounts. I’m afraid a healthy blood letting is in order soon enough, either we survive, or not. Either way, the globalists and their greenie henchman are truly on the march behind the scenes, it is as they say, an ‘inevitable meeting’ in the near future.
I’ve always maintained that we have had it too cushy and need an awakening to see that there’s a big, bad and maybe not so bad world out there and that life can be difficult. It isn’t all unicorns and roses. Life is difficult.
Sadly it is about bank accounts. Until people care more about their integrity and freedom than their income from the corrupt, they will continue to be used in a deadly nefarious manner that may result in their death. I can be sorry that good people die in the plots of the deep state while I simultaneously am sad that they allowed themselves to be used as pawns.
By “plain old fashioned humanity” do you mean continuing to encourage and propagate our own government’s attempts at propaganda messaging?
Although now it may be painful to hear, in the end, “truth” will always be the best disinfectant….and that’s what the Treehouse intends to represent.
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I have one son in the Shitholistans since last fall, and another deploying to NATO forces at 3 a.m. tomorrow. Not interested in having them wounded or dead for your abstract notions of humanitarianism and loyalty to your “roots”.
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Sends prays your way.
Ah, another attempt to bypass rational thought with emotion. Why, because it works.
I don’t play politics. Too old for that. All I have is emotion and hopefully a bit of humanity. I’ll leave the “rational” (questionable) thought to you.
Sorry for the loss of your friend.
Prayers for his family.
Thank you.
The “someone died so all discussion must be shut down” tactic I doubt works on Sundance or any of us who are willing to not follow a globalist approved narrative.
When did I ask for that? Some of the vitriol in the past few days has been nauseating. Call me old fashioned and I probably am, but exclusively rational thinking without a bit of humanity is worthless in my book. It’s your prerogative to disagree with me, just as it is mine to disagree with you. I don’t recall asking or trying to shut down discussion, I just asked that we don’t try to hack each other to death in the process,
The Ukrainians are also killing people and some in the fight are paramilitary Ukrainian Nazis actually killing Ukrainians themselves.
Sorry for your loss but the reports I am hearing is that the Russians aren’t going after the people of Ukraine. The Russians are fighting the Ukrainian military who are firing at them. Sometimes civilians get caught in the crosshairs.
Like Covid, we know it is real, but I lost friends to all sorts of things. Yea, people are dying including my mother-in-law last year becasue the doctors with not treat her with proper medicine. Tell that to the 20+ K killed by the vax.
CIA made this mess. CIA can’t fix it. Tell my friend whose daughters lungs are filled with blood clots because of the vax that she was getting it for the common good.
It is our job to discuss issues here. We have empathy for you, but if you don’t give a flying puck, so be it. I have dozens of stories just like yours I can about my family and friends.
Technically, I think Ukraine is ineligible. If anyone can just join EU (or NATO), in this particular circumstance, then it’s for the purpose of pulling member nations into war. Very problematic. With that said, those now running EU and NATO might just break the rules to get what they want, further damaging their charter – not that it matters anymore since their word is no longer good.
Agreed. EU has some pretty stringent membership criteria that has to be met. GDP, financial solvency, cultural alignment, low corruption in govt, etc.
Turkey has been trying to become a member since 2005 and still doesn’t qualify.
UK just went through a traumatic experience in trying to leave the EU. Zelensky might want to reconsider because you have to abide by the dictats of an unelected, dictatorial govt and relinquish 100% sovereignty. Ukraine would be nothing more than a financial drain on the EU, so doubt they would want that.
So since Zelensky is the new globalist’s poster boy, does that mean that no one is getting nuked? It’s getting really hard to keep up with this scripted Russia Russia Russia bull shit
[video src="https://benjaminfulford.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Nazi-Soldiers.mp4" /] Video of Ukronazis nailing a Christian Ukranian to a cross. Not for the feint of heart..nor others..but it is documentary proof of what the Ukranian people were under prior to the Russians clean up ops. This same cult/criminal organization did this when they took over Russia too.
Father in heaven, another martyr to cry, “How long, o Lord?” Lord Jesus come quickly
This is reality we must face when looking at the Ukranian picture.
Putin is going after these Nazi demons and their lairs.
He is also going after the wicked bioweapons labs.
The rumble in the corruption jungle. Name ONE of the players who is not corrupt. I guess we should root for the one who costs the American taxpayers the least amount of money?
This release around the same time there are supposedly talks underway. Is this a negotiating ploy by Zelenskiiy or does this have teeth? Wouldn’t the Ukraine legislative body have to approve an entry into the EU? Is he out over his skis?
Still trying to find out what the globalists are up to here, and this is what it’s looking like. If we keep coming back to the big players in all this, we see that our governments and those of many countries are controlled by the military industrial complex, Wall street, and big oil. For my money, this whole thing has been set up (for years) to goad Putin into an invasion, make a lot of money by selling arms, driving up the price of oil, and juicing the global markets, while simultaneously driving Russia and China closer so they collaborate in creating a new currency system so they can take us off the dollar and then put us all in cages.
Everything else looks like smoke and mirrors to me. A kind of shell game to distract us from what’s really going on.
You forgot the World-Wide Central Bank who controls it all.
I want every politician- no matter political stripe,every millenial, every demonic Hollywood puke,every member of the MSM Whores of the CCP, every Banker,- that is pushing America to intervene in a civil war, to carry their ass’s over to Ukraine and ” fight for freedom”. Of course they won’t-they want YOUR kids and grandkids to die to protect another countries borders while an invasion is happening on our Southern border. But they won’t be exempt because Ukraine will come here. Then where they gonna go?
I’ve been saying for years the people in flyover country need to stop sending their kids to fight rich men’s wars for profit.
If the flyover population would stop joining, the deepstate would have to start drafting and their voters will not like that one bit – it’s hard to fight useless wars without a volunteer army.
This. Same with any government job. A corrupt employer will corrupt all who work below him/her.
The really frightening thing is how instantly narratives are created, finessed, promulgated and exploited for political ends.
And how uncritical, naive and just plain stupid the masses are.
Pavlov would be proud to see his theories confirmed. And also those who study neuro linguistic programming.
And this applies to so many things. It took much more time for MSM propaganda to spread via print and television. But with social media it’s exponentially far more immediate.
Which gives little time to step back, think, and not become a prisoner of reflex conditioning.
Had Clinton “won” in 2016, all of this would have happened in 2017/18.
A current fad in pro football is to have the first twenty or so offensive plays planned out in sequence. Trump’s victory was the equivalent of an interception for the globalists. It interrupted their game plan; now that they have the ball back they’re following it.
Ukraine was always going to wind up this way.
In my not so educated opinion, it seems like the united deep state of America is paying Putin to bully Zelenskiy into compliance.
For whatever reason. But dirty money begotten by breaking USCodes and titles takes the top of my list.
Provide objective evidence to support your “educated opinion”, then perhaps, many will not discount it without a second thought….. ? Anytime you are ready, I’m reading….. ? 🙂
I don’t see all of a sudden all the conservatives love for Zelensky. All the Libtards, Soros, Bush, Biden, Deep State, UniParty Politicians, Crooks back Ukraine and Zelensky.
It is Putin most like Trump and MAGA. Putin looks out for his Country and People. Ukraine looks out crooks and criminals.
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I am rather horrified by previously rational conservative writers and pundits suddenly going rah-rah for Ukraine.
It goes to show you some conservatives can be just as dumb and stupid as Libtards. To me it is very simple; Who is backing Ukraine and Zelensky and take it from there.
Don’t you find it interesting how some conservatives allow their emotions just as Libtards do. Libtards don’t like Trump because the way he talks. Conservatives don’t like Putin because he is Russian or former KGB.
Yes, as if corruption in Eastern Europe magically went away with the fall of the Soviet Union.
But I think what conservatives are in favor of is heroes, and we rarely get much about heroism from the mainstream media, and so when suddenly a bunch of heroic stories came out, it was love at first sight. Only after two or three of these stories did anyone start asking, since when are the Ukrainians as heroic as, say, a dead Soviet infantryman as described in Pravda?
Ukraine–European Union relations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_relations#2014%E2%80%932022
In March 2016, President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker stated that it would take at least 20–25 years for Ukraine to join the EU and NATO.[218] In June 2018, President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko said he expects Ukraine will join the European Union and the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation by 2030.
Quite a few experts believe that in times of deteriorating relations between Russia and the EU,[221] Ukraine has a window of opportunity to join the European Union. Pavlo Klimkin noted that Ukraine still does not meet any criteria for joining the European Union, as it does not have an established democracy, rule of law and a full-fledged market economy. According to him, the first chance was lost in early 2005, when Yushchenko was persuaded not to apply, and in 2014 it was much more difficult to do so.[222]
So disgusted with Dana Loesch for her defending of Ukraine’s propaganda effort. So psyops are just fine if she hates their enemy. Anyone behind a corporate camera or mic should not be taken seriously in regards to anything geopolitical. It’s all words given to them to speak on behalf of their client billionaire and/or corporation.
So predictable.
I have read all the CTH articles on this story but I’m still missing some things:
1) Most likely, Russia’s goal is to re-establish a buffer between the European/NATO states and itself. Such a buffer is a fundamental security policy of Russian states and is a part of Russian national psyche.
2) Demonizing Putin is necessary for the same reasons Western media demonizes anyone it deems an ideological enemy: ridicule, isolate, marginalize.
3) Yes. Specificially, the economic issues (inflation) of covid and energy policies.
Thank you.
The whole point of this is to distract us from the only thing which ultimately counts…..Fraudulent Election resulting in an overthrow of our Constitutional government and an Illegal President.
The fog of war….truth dies and propaganda dominates.
Remember the Iraq baby milk factory bombing and Peter Arnett?
Arnett told us the truth. It wasn’t a Bio weapons plant.
The “Smith -Mundt Act” was an anti propaganda law from the late 1940s.
Since they changed it in late 2012 propaganda has been legal in the US.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-domestic-propaganda-officially-aired-2013-7
I’ve never read an article like this before from Sundance. Seems to me to be an unhinged rant mo9re characteristic of Putin or an overcaffenitated Trump.
Says somebody who makes typo/misspellings in a 2 sentence put down.
Or maybe you are not a native English speaker?
By the way, your post strongly implicates a dislike for Trump. What is it that draws you here?
😳 IDK wth I just watched… SMDH!
(Zelensky performing song/dance routine in 👠)
That was uncalled for.
How so? It’s good to know the great hero is a degenerate and a fool.
What is he, four feet tall?
That is the point.
He is the Ukraine’s David facing down the Russian’s Goliath.
On a deeper level, he is being surrounded/protected by larger men.
Anyone excited about Xiden’s SOTU address tomorrow? I have to preserve my health and won’t be able to watch.
He may declare war on Russia.
I can’t watch joe blow talk about how he rescued the country and united everyone.
He thinks that complaining about inflation, Afghanistan, gas prices, the ongoing human / child trafficking open borders scam, etc etc etc is all about the effects of the covid stuff. Now he thinks that he’s saving the world from Russia Russia Russia.
The creation of the EU was needless to start with and disastrous without end in sight.
Didn’t the EU want its own army a few years ago?😒
It is curious that the entire Russian army and air force wouldn’t be able to sweep through Ukraine like crap through a goose, even if the Ukrainians put up a valiant defense. I will grant that I haven’t studied Soviet/Russian order of battle in decades, but motorized rifle and armored divisions were recognized as formidable military formations, especially when supported by artillery and frontal aviation assets, even against well-motivated defenders on their home territory.
To me it is a curiosity and then some. No doubt Putin wanted this done faster and better.
At a minimum, it reveals weaknesses in Russian military strength that I doubt he knew about.
And the longer this goes on, the more the world can see the weakness. He won’t like that.
It will force him to either end this asap or go in with overwhelming strength in an effort to show the world Russia is a force to be reckoned with.
His nuclear threats struck me as an admission of weakness, by the way. Why would he need to threaten other countries with nukes if he had the strength to finish what he started?
Ditto. As an outside observer, it looks to me like he’s been blindsided and the nuke threat is a startle reaction.
No. Putin wants to capture certain regions, not destroy them. This is a different kind of ‘war’, except not really a war unless the Ukrainian military wants one.
He’s trying to put pressure on Zelensky to come to the table and reach an agreement. Then he’ll leave. Putin has run out of patience. I would say this well planned on his part and wants as few casualties on both sides as possible.
Roads are largely opened, electricity and internet still on, major infrastructure undamaged. He’s still supplying oil and gas to Europe and the US despite being cut off from SWIFT and other sanctions. Putin is being rather reasonable when you think about it and ignore MSM.
Turn off the TV.
Agree. If his goal was just to conquer, he could have swept through like a hot knife through butter. But, he is not likely to allow this to continue much longer.
Sadly, lives are being lost that did not have to be. Had Putin not been goaded into believing Ukraine was about to be fast-tracked into NATO I don’t think he would have done this.
Spot on good sir. Putin is mentally stable and being reasoned. He doesn’t want to shell population centers or engage rebel citizens now at all. He knows they want those optics. Since they have not been occurring they use old images and video games for crying out loud to fake battle scenes. It’s amazing actually when you take a reasoned step back and hear the media trumpet and then the real ground reports. Putin is just as senile and has lost his mind just as much as President Trump did all those times they told you it was true. They swear. The same folks who say pudding cup Joe is of the fittest and stablest of minds all election campaign. These are the same people folks.
Exactly.
Thank you William!!
Lot of Russian history in Kiev. Lot of beautiful cathedrals and churches too.
Putin is smart. He has carefully aware of the tactics, which are all media driven, mostly on phones. That would be Facebook and Twitter, both the strong arms of the NEOCONS and Democrats.
So, he will not give them any optics. He will not go into major cities and create the optics the above people want. That has cost Russian lives but has the Ukraine neonazis crapping bricks, as what shown today with them helicoptering to the peace (surrender) talks.
Everything you see on phone media is just political optics. Some videos going back decades and passed on as current. It’s all in about US media driven optics. Same media that stole oir elections.
Maybe.
And maybe, like with the US from time to time, the ROE was a serious straitjacket.
Rules Of Engagement.
Maybe he doesn’t want to flatten everything into a ash heap and kill everybody.
Very possible
This article implies Russia is bypassing many cities on it’s way to wherever, much as US troops did in the initial Iraq invasion
What is Really Going on in Ukraine? An Alternative Scenario
“The Russians have finally entered Kharkov, Ukraine’s second largest city, very close to the Russian border. Previously, they had bypassed it the same way that America bypassed every town in southern Iraq to reach Baghdad in 2003.
“On Saturday night, they finally wasted all significant, organized resistance with a rain of thermobaric death in the outskirts. Today, they started to go in and mop up. Of course, it’s not a job for one day.
also – about that big orange glow on the horizon the other night:
“…also working on cutting off the Ukrainian army group in the Donbass from Kiev. This is by far the most capable (or only capable) large portion of the Ukrainian army. Yesterday, its main reserves of diesel fuel were destroyed from the air. It will soon be cut off and immobile.”
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Retired Magistrate here: This is what the Allies did in the Pacific; island hopped around islands they didn’t really need and went to the ones that were of strategic importance.
Just as an aside, Ohio Senator Portman (RINO who attended Sea Island meetings to get rid of President Trump) came out today and stated that we should all be behind Zelensky because he is such a hero, don’t you know. That tells me all I need to know. I am now viewing Putin as the reasonable one.
Perhaps- if he didn’t have an army in his neighbor’s country.
That is the country whose army is documented on video nailing Ukrnaian Christians to crosses. No hyperbole pal. It can be found on Benjamin Fulford’s site.
They used thermobaric ?!
Haven’t seen that anywhere yet.
The Donbass pocket has been a red flag for days.
Winner, he did not want to kill civilians. It is harder to conduct a war if civilians are not to be injured.
Even harder not to kill civilians when they’ve been armed. I suspect that tactic was intended to produce opportunities for convenient propaganda as much as it was to get them to fight back.
Maybe an army was the wrong tool to use for this job.
Appears that Putin is attempting to limit Civilian casualties. Avoid massive damage to infrastructure. Remember you break it, you bought it.
WW2 there were massive civilian casualties, infrastructure destruction, etc.
This appears to be a limited objective. What that objective is, I have no idea.
Just My two cents.
Unlike the American strategy of destroying the civilian infrastructure, then bringing in US contractors to rebuild it.
And as many mass casualties – military or civilian – as possible. Putin is showing everybody how to do it and still exert pressure.
Putin’s objectives? They are very clear. Just listen to him.
You break it you bought it is another of Colin Powell’s stupid mantras.
Let’s split this into two parts
(1) Eastern provinces. Not much “news” coming out but looking at some maps of Russian advances, it looks like they’ve moved in quite a bit from the Crimea, past Odessa and the far Eastern Regions. As Sundance points out, it looks quite likely that the Russians are controlling most of the area already. Furthermore, they likely have the support of the population so the Ukrainian Army is seen as the occupier.
(2) The rest of Ukraine. Here the Russians seem to have followed a very restrained military campaign. They have not used their most effective weapons and have not fully engaged into the Big Cities. Look at the map, look at how close Kiev is to the border. If the Russkies had wanted, they could have used their weapons and have taken over. The risk then, would be to alienate the ethnic Ukrainians and attack the center of Russian Orthodox Christianity… Also, the Russkies stopped their military campaign while the “peace talks” were going on. The Ukrainian infrastructure has not been destroyed, something the Russkies could have done with impunity.
It looks like Putin is intent is stopping the Civil War out in the East, protect the ethnic Russians and change the Government in Kiev from a pro-western-oligarch Nazi regime to either a more neutral or pro Russian government.
It is simple.
Russia has a specific objective or set of objectives. These mostly likely include ending the civil war in the east, creating a new pro-Russian state in this area or annexing it outright, and treaties which guarantee the remaining Ukrainian state will never join the EU or NATO.
Using maximum force would only work against these objectives: the resulting destruction and deaths would play into the hands of Western propaganda, and it would create a situation in which the Ukrainians have no reason to negotiate.
I do not think full annexation of Ukraine is something the Russian government wants. It does, however, want to end the usefulness of the Ukrainian government as a proxy base for Western antagonism, and to reestablish the fundamental principle of Russian national security: the existence of buffer states between itself and the European powers.
The reasonableness of these objectives and the appropriateness of how they are being achieved are separate issues.
I agree, it smells. Of course, this is not the old military structure of the USSR where military districts became Fronts in wartime; e.g., the Belorussian MD became the Belorussian Front, the Baltic MD became the Independent Baltic Front, etc. When MSU Ogarkov implemented strategic directions (the theater concept of TVDs) in the late 70s/early 80s (with Zapad-81 the fabulous showpiece), Soviet military thought was modernizing. But with the break-up of the Soviet Union (such MDs and Groups of Forces like Carpathian MD, Kiev MD, GSFG, Transcaucasian MD, etc., dissolved), military restructuring apparently along the lines of the strategic directions was done. Ukraine, therefore, presents a curious C3 problem for the Russian military hierarchy in that both the current Western District and Southern District would appear to be involved. I know the Russians have conducted large exercises to train and test the new construct (e.g., Center 2015, even Zapad 2017), but I’m wondering if the C3 is not working in “real world” combat situations. Even so, one would think occupying Kharkov (Ukraine’s second largest city) would be an easy task for any Russian combat unit given that the city is only 20 miles from the Russian border.
Right now, I’m not trusting anything I see as believable (some of the “combat” scenes are clearly from years ago), nor anything I hear as trustworthy, nor anything I see in print as factual. And while journalists are bedecked in combat reporting gear, I only see them in very safe surroundings in Ukraine, with no one in Moscow. I’m wondering what is going on in Moscow? What’s happening behind Kremlin walls? Where are our journalists who know the Politburo (or whatever it’s called now) inside-out? Was there/Is there/Will there be a purge? Is this an attack on Putin from the WEF? (Got rid of Trump, now get rid of Vlad?) Is this Russian collusion with Ukraine and other actors (US? China?) and, if so, for what reason? The real story, it seems to me, is happening off Red Square and we’re in the dark.
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No. See Gaynor’s comment just below.
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Russians refer to artillery as “the god of war”. Have yet to see it employed. Ukranian reports of Russian casualties(I know) include very few artillery pieces. The satellite photos of columns massing in Belarus look like SP howitzer units.
Don’t be surprised if our CIA has operatives in Ukraine somehow make matters worse to engage us in the calamity. Like assassinate Zelensky and Sean Penn and blame Putin.
I’m good with the Penn thing.
Ditto x 100!
No stuff !
That would be gnarly!
It’s a given, at this point.
Also a given, expect these same IC actors to work to create false flags and “events” in our country to feed their narratives.
I just observed with the sound muted, the presser that Jen Psaki gave. She is looking particularly chipper.
IF things were not going well for their narrative in polling I would expect we’d see a different demeanor.
This is working for them.
I noticed that also. She seemed mighty cheerful about this mess
Slo -Joe will get a bump out of this. Of course as Sundance has pointed out, that’s the plan.
She probably just got a job offer.
To circle back to the Oval Office.
I wonder if she still wears that hat that she got from the Russian foreign minister.
Jen is happy because this will solve their lack of Nazis to point to when lying about their enemies.
They can fly the Nazi refugees here!
It’s perfect as they can also check the white supremacist racist box.
Oh Joy!
The average American will eat up the false flag propaganda. I include conservatives.
People need to start looking and thinking outside the box and nothing should surprise anyone.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/02/24/us-bioweapons-labs-in-ukraine-what-will-russia-find-in-the-labs/
Sean Penn is the kiss of death so to speak. Where he goes, trouble follows.
He’ll still be walking around long after anything bad that might happen to Zelensky.