Keith Wilson is the lawyer representing the “Truckers for Freedom” organization. Earlier today, prior to the GoFundMe announcement, Mr. Wilson posted a video message for everyone concerning the earlier announcement made by the Ottawa Police chief Peter Sloly. [Background Story]
One note: I believe the referenced Canadian Freedom Charter was suspended as part of the national state of emergency declared by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as the justification for the restrictions now being protested.
Earlier Today – Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly held a press conference on Friday announcing measures to combat the continued Freedom Convoy protests in the streets, and to block any additional protesting support from arriving. [Full Presser Here] In essence, the Ottawa police are going to use domestic terrorism authority against the Canadian freedom protest groups.
The outlined measures include deploying an additional 150 municipal police officers and undercover federal agents to infiltrate the protest and gather intelligence useful for the purpose of eliminating their effort.
Chief Sloly outlined that federal intelligence authorities will be “collecting financial, digital, vehicle registration, driver identification, insurance status and other related evidence that will be used in prosecution.”
The jackboots will focus on using acts of mischief, hate, harassment, intimidation and other threatening behaviors, whether real or created by Canadian intelligence operations, to target the protestors.
Additionally, a “surge and contain” strategy will be used to isolate the protest in the red zone area in front of Parliament Hill. Ottawa police will use heavy concrete barriers as barricades, to create no-access roadways throughout the downtown core, and they will likely close highway off-ramps and bridges to stop additional support and/or protest groups from arriving.
The goal is to isolate the current protest groups, cut off their supply and support logistics, and pick them off.
Further, any police officer who is caught aiding, assisting, supporting, sympathizing with or facilitating the ongoing freedom protest in the city, will be removed from duty and subject to arrest. All Ottawa police officers are to regard the protesting group as an unlawful, extremist and hate-filled mob and have a duty to comply with the instructions of the command and control structure.
Tucker on GoFundMe: pic.twitter.com/dos5Kg7DM4
— Ezra Levant 🍁🚛 (@ezralevant) February 5, 2022
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 5, 2022
Who in their right mind would use or contribute through Go Fund Me. Should change their name to Go F#!* Me.
This is the same lawyer who “welcomed” GoF*Me’s oversight on donations, just 2 days back. He’s gotta go.
One of the organizers at a press conferences last Saturday, perhaps naively, denegrated Jan 6th protesters. Essentially saying (paraphrased), “we’re not Americans, we’re a peace loving people, who respect the rule of law”.
Whomever that organizer was (off camera), either has a level of naivety about the forces he’s up against, or worse. Pray for enemies of freedom to turn against each other, worldwide.
Hey hey, gotta be strategic. Not a super idea to antagonize the platform when they have balls in hand. It was a measured statement at an eyes-on press briefing where decorum demands giving the benefit of the doubt.
There are legal responsibilities GFM carries when they accept a campaign. Now that the mask has been cast aside, there will surely be legal action.
Wilson is a lawyer for the JCCF – the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms. The organization also happens to be suing the government simultaneously on behalf of Brian Peckford, the last living contributor to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, for direct and willfully systematic violations of the Charter.
https://www.jccf.ca/court_cases/honourable-brian-peckford-nikkanen-baigent-et-al-vs-minister-of-transport-and-canada/
There are many pieces at play here, and as emotional a response as the implied seizure of the funds elicits, let’s hope the publicity this brings to GFM (ala BLM), the JCCF, and the ridiculous and hypocritical stance of the Ottawa Police will continue to encourage support for the Convoy. Musk and Tucker have given visibility to this legal lawlessness. Many of those truckers frankly don’t care about the reimbursement: this is for principle and posterity.
Give it time, but steady your resolve. The masks are all slipping; even apolitical know-nothings smell something.
In a twisted way, the funding issue is a blessing. Easy money from a big shared pot creates endless strife, every single time.
Totally agree the truckers are all in for freedom, not reimbursement. Similarly, donors enjoy seeing their contributions as proxy votes for freedom vs tyranny.
NEVER AGAIN!!
I love them!
Explode those liberal heads with your fearless optimism! These are good people.
lawyers on their way to Ottawa… https://www.rebelnews.com/civil_liberties_charity_concerned_about_police_threats_to_kettle_peaceful_protesters_in_ottawa
Excellent. Thank you for posting that update.
“kettle” —curtail?
The Trudeau Government bought – with taxpayer money – all the empty hotel rooms in Ottawa for the time necessary to wipe out the Trucker’s presence in and around Ottawa.
NEWS from the Liberal Party: Justin Trudeau ain’t doing well.
““He’s not dealing well with it — he’s definitely panicked and bruised,” the source said. “I can’t say much more, but it’s not looking good. We’ve never seen him this frustrated or worried about something.”
https://t.co/XsN3AXDfb6
Great way to blow through taxpayer dollars. What a jerk.
In the video above, there is a group bringing in sauna’s for the truckers. No matter what Justy tries to do they will just work around him. The truckers are emptying dumpsters so they can have a place to put gas cans for safety. Apparently they have their own security too.
We sure live in interesting times.
Justy has two choices: Surrender or resign. Both ways, he loses.
I’m looking forward with delight to the weekend’s video from Ottawa.
Trudeau has a 3rd choice. He can ignore the truckers and wait them out. Like President Macron has done with the yellow vest protestors in France.
Unlike a company (i.e. Ford Motor Co.), the government doesn’t need to worry about it’s revenue stream when people essentially go on strike and protest.
And gun ownership is highly restricted in Canada. No Second Amendment to worry about.
Mobile saunas. What a time to be alive.
The Truckers DO have their own security, have been aware from the outset that the Gov would use data tracking like was used on J6, and have been implementing counter measures, from the outset.
Such measures may well include INTEL, as knowing your oppositions battle plans is key. Infiltration can be a two way street.
Be very careful Trudeu, mess with the Truckers, and they will give it right back to you, ten-fold.
Dutch, Fidel’s little bastard is toast . . . grab your popcorn and watch.
as Causescu ????
Or maybe 6 ways from Sunday? Go Truckers!
They better give him more Valium.
Make sure it’s fake, like his vaccines allegedly were. It’s only fair.
Is that why Justeen is bloating up?
or …fenathyl
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He’s not dealing with it at all. Coward.
Confirming Sundances learned, researched assesment of several days ago,….
I believe Sundance said “JT is losing his sh*t”
You constantly crack me up Dutch, and you’re 💯 spot on
This is the result of “participation trophy” generation.
To me that was obvious from his press conference from hiding.
There has been much going on behind the scenes, we are currently viewing this titanic, existential battle through “the fog of war”, so bear that in mind, along with the guidance to resist falling into the trap created by the 24 hr news cycle.
Allow time for the dust to settle, before judging whats happened and the consequences.
We always knew the tyrants were tyrants, and would eventually reveal themselves to all Canadians.
Now, they are.
Agree Dutch. I don’t think the truckers or organizers have been surprised by anything thrown at them so far. They are much better prepared than most give them credit for.
I am amazed at how ill equipped we are. We don’t seem to even understand what true battle requires in time, strategy, committment, hardship, reinforcements, change of plans, courage, resolve and patience.
Godspeed to the warriors.
They went about this like a real battle — that’s what is so awe-inspiring. They thought it out, planned it out, have their people where they need to be. If they do this, then we do that. We must remember how awful life has been for them in Canada…the brutality of the cops against that amazing minister was eye-opening for all around the world. Canada nice became Canada strong. God bless them and protect them through this onslaught of force — all of the fraud is being shown.
It is a “Real Battle”.
Awesome! Just like we always knew the US dimocrats were evil socialists who love power and control more than they love America, their base and constituents. But it wasn’t confirmed until Pres. Donald J. Trump came in and made them so angry just by being a strong conservative that their heads blew off and they couldn’t help but reveal themselves! One of Trump’s most important achievements during his 4 years.
But…but..but…aren’t all of the Covid1984 measures about your health??!!
Keep on trucking baby!!
“worried about something.”
Its something alright.
Hotel owners are enabling a corrupt government. People won’t forget who sided with tyranny.
just keep fire under ass of Castro Jr…..
Reminds me of Diamond and Silk.
Wow….you’re right! The Canadian D & S!
That was a great video. Did they seem concerned? Nope. They got this, and we got their back.
Thank you SD for the updates. This Freedom Convoy is a force that cannot be stopped. Years from now the people will still be talking about the impact of it!
Easier way to make Trudeau surrender: Truckers and all employers who support them could stop withholding taxes and sending the money to Ottawa. Soon politicians would have no money to pay their bills and have to give up and end the mandate.
If it was easy, it would have been done. There’s nothing “easy” about challenging a tryanical government.
Unfortunately like in our own country it will take buckets of blood to make a dent,
Yes, historically speaking, but he who draws first blood will be deemed the culprit, watch for false flag.
The victors write history. There are considerably more of us. Defeat is not a remote consideration. We are more than conquerors.
Revisionist history would say that incorrect history was fed to the masses by the victors !
The purpose being to create more victorys for the victors for purposing more control over the victorious masses !
You cannot conquer a free spirit on mass, I agree, this whole worldwide revolution depends entirely on how much mass we got.
Nobody except maybe God can anwser that question at this stage.
Cheers.
The buckets will be fewer if the blood comes from those orchestrating this and their loved ones. “Skin in the Game” makes all the difference. It’s up to Patriots to change the cost/benefit ratio for these crime families
Not necessarily, but it won’t get done by talking about it or throwing buckets of money at it.
well, the easy is eliminating the damn dominion machines . . . This is a must! And only an election/count day . . . you get the picture, you all do. This is an informed group hang’n at this house.
ballots at poll sites have always been tabulated by hand and submitted to a regional election office. At the regional election office clerks enter the hand counted ballot numbers for each candidate into the computer system to tabulate the winners. Once entered across the country into the computers, this is real the real problem takes place, the fraud. (a former poll officer)
And buckets of cynicism turned into action to make a promise and a dream come true.
Exactly.
Nobody is going to do that.
The article says “The Jackboots will focus on using hate, mischief, harassment, intimidation, and other threatening behaviors WHETHER REAL OR CREATED by Canadian Intelligence Operations to target the protestors. A false flag is exactly what is going to happen.
I was responding to a horrible idea. That was to stop sending the government tax money with the idea the government will run out of money. The government has a printing press and will not run out of money.
Bad ideas should be stopped early on.
Color in the lines, guys and gals, always. Don’t get picked off for criminal activities.
Ah, but TWO can play that game, ditto for “infiltration”.
Just how confident are the political hacks running the LE agencies, in the “loyalty” of the rank and file?
The Ottowa police chief has already answered that;
Any officers who provide any aid to the truckers, and he specifically said giving them food, can get them fired and charged with a crime. For handing a Trucker a sandwich.
Think thats going to go over well with the rank and file, many of whom HAVE rendered such aid?
More importantly, that the chief had to make such a statement, and do it publically, rather than passing the word down thru the command structure speaks VOLUMES.
What kind of threats do you suppose they used against GFM?
Beginning with something to the tune of charges of “international terrorism” I’m sure.
Ottowa and all Canadian LEOs have to make some serious and bold choices. Right now.
Perhaps Trudeau and Co. Offered GFM a matched contribution i.e. bribe of 10 million?
lol…in the form of offering to spare them of 10 million in criminal terrorist defense costs.
In truth, I’d bet he’s willing to offer just about anyone just about any amount of [other peoples’] money to get out of the hole he’s dug for himself.
You are talking about GoFundMe. I think Ottawa offered them free Tim Hortons coffee for a week…
lol!
They received word that donations would be chargeback and that costs about $15 for each transaction.
That word spread like wildfire yesterday and last night! It was great!
I’ve seen some comments today saying in some cases those fees cost as much as $29.00.
This is gonna bite them so hard that I feel strongly they must have been threatened with something really awful to have chosen the course they did. I can’t wait to find out.
And the best counter to their false flag attempts will be plenty of people on site taking video of everything so the counter to the government’s claims can be spread everywhere using the social media that still supports free speech (ex. Gab, Rumble).
May they be tripped up by their own evil and hoisted on their own petards.
More than the mandates, this is about re-emphasizing and KEEPING the basic Charter Rights of citizens which were voted into their Constitution in the 1980’s by the provinces. Their future as a democracy is in peril unless this tyranny can be reversed. The inability to travel across the very large land mass of Canada is being challenged by a lawsuit. The legal maneuver comes from a former Premier (Prime Minister) of Newfoundland, Brian Peckford. He is the last living member of those who put the Charter Rights into law. The lawsuit is supposed to be filed in the Canadian court today! Awesome!
And just like with our own gov’t here in the once-great USofA, they would just print the money they need. It all goes to and comes from the Fed Reserve and the IMF anyway.
GoFundMe is shit. I sincerely hope that this is the last “go fund me” account that is ever created. Boycott GFM. Put them out of business. Period.
I did not give specifically because it was GFM. It was a poor choice to begin with. This was the wrong thing GFM to go stupid with and long term it will hurt them more than the totality of funds they will be donating.
Stay tuned. Let’s see what happens.
https://www.givesendgo.com/FreedomConvoy2022
Much better site. Christian as well.
Got error 502 when I clicked on your link. Something is wrong.
They’re experiencing loads of site traffic. I’m hoping so many are trying to donate that it’s crashing their site.
People have successfully used them to donate to the truckers so try again later.
Isaiah 45:16 ESV
All of them are put to shame and confounded; the makers of idols go in confusion together.
Yes – I would never donate to anything, no matter how worthy, if GoFundMe is the mechanism.
For similar reasons, I never use PayPal, which is known for discriminating against conservative outlets.
I believe, but can’t confirm, that GiveSendGo is OK (maybe folks can chime in and confirm or refute, as appropriate).
I also believe that GAB is about to rollout such a service. So far GAB appears to be the one social media outlet that actually supports full free speech by conservatives, so a payment processor by it will probably be fine.
Pay Pal is the same as Go Fund Me, They seem to lie and cheat just like the leftists do.
Research Torba and his antisemitic comments please.
https://www.givesendgo.com/FreedomConvoy2022
Seems to be good. Gab, is great.
I wish people would think outside the rush to throw money at every trial we face. The truckers barely hit the road and everyone is obsessed with needing to feel part of this by throwing their money away and wearing it like a badge of honor. I know it takes money for any endeavor, but does anyone ask how much? for what? how do we get it exactly where expenses are being incurred? AND how about drilling down on other needs? Do they need relief drivers? Assistants to guard trucks? diesel mechanics? runner vehicles? doctors and nurses for those who might need medical help? or whatever else they need?
This new gluttony of money trend isn’t sustaining the need of the patriot, it’s feeding the greed of the corrupt. Money isn’t winning this fight, our participation in the battle will.
They reportedly had the first million released, so unless the Govt freeses their bank accounts, which is entirely possible, they have funds.
The value of the acct was A) it gave people a chance to show support, whovwere not able to go out and meet the truckers along the route, or upon arrival in Ottowa.
And, it destroyed the narrative of “small fringe group” as the balance went up by 1 million/day, slightly slowed with reports of GFM holding the $, surged once the word got out they had released, and reached 10 mil in about 10 days.
It was like people voting with their wallets, demonstrating, just like the supporters along the way and at every stop massive support.
If it hadn’t been frozen, it would have continued to grow, at 1 mil/day, eventually exceeding the yearly budget of Canada.
Understand the emotions.
A nice show of support that is feel good.
My brain works differently. I want to know how much is NEEDED to fund this battle, money and logistically. Once that is determined, you go from there. Anything grossly more is pork and waste. They don’t need excess of Canada’s yearly budget to get this done. This overfunding is very similar to our government funding. Rife for corruption.
oldschool, can the truckers get back to you at a better time? They are kind of busy…
What a cute comment.
All of the things you mentioned cost money, even if the people providing the assistance are volunteers. Everyone needs to eat, find shelter, have travel expenses. The truckers are now without income. They, too, need food, etc., and diesel fuel is pretty expensive. The truckers are using a lot of it, since most sleep in their trucks, too, so the trucks run 24/7. And it is pretty cold in Ottawa–below zero isn’t uncommon, and wind chills of, say, -40. Think about that when you see people walking around there, day and night.
Perhaps you should re read my post.
It is very well organized my friend♡
Where did I state it wasn’t? Are you suggesting that they don’t need any more help?
You may be old school, but this is a modern world. Everything takes money. Contributions to a good and just cause is righteous.
And sometimes folks confuse “righteous” with self righteous.
Suggest you reread my post.
Don’t get your panties in a wad…what isn’t used goes to Veterans
lol, PT Barnum
Anyone that uses them should realize people will not contribute because of GFM.
GFM learned from the American Red Cross after 9/11. People donated specifically to help those families. ARC stole those billions of dollars. Leftists in charge destroy every organization.
There is a laundry list of “organizations” who squander our well intended donations on agendas we claim not to support, starting with the Catholic Church. Yet we don’t change our behaviors, we just find a new vehicle to fund our own demise.
“The road to hell is paved with good intentions”
“A fool and his money are soon parted”
And one of my favorites:
“But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. “
oldschool, what do you think is required? Everyone wants to sit in judgement. What is the analytical basis of your argument? Would you share with us the “target range” of needed funding?
It would be kind of you…
Actually Larry, everyone wants to pull out the “judgement” card when there is legitimate criticism. There is a huge difference between exercising good judgement and “sitting in jugement”, but if judgement is a verbotten word for you, I cannot help you. I don’t have their budget nor their accounting information and I never claimed I did, but I know enough to ask what their needs are before throwing money into my enemies pockets.
When my kids would ask me for money, my first question was, “for what?” then “how much do you need?” Those two questions might have led to others or it might have convinced me to hand over what was asked for or it might have led me to close my pocketbook if I disagreed with the expenditure. What it never did was cause me to hand them a grand when a tenspot would do.
Let them spend the money on what they think they need.
Not what you think they need.
Nowhere did I state that I thought I knew what they needed. THAT WAS MY POINT. We don’t know what they need, nor how much.
My lesson here is to let y’all spend your money how you “need” to. Sadly, others suffer from your poor decisions. I will think of your generosity when BLM and ANTIFA have better bats.
Gene died Dec., 2020 from agent orange complications and VA’s incompetence…so shut the hell up!
It has been broadcast several times, the surplus will go to veterans…..NOT VA, but veterans…you know, the ones sleeping in tents on the streets and in woods in many cities??
Your statements really show how ignorant you are of the situation.
Spent time after Katrina in Biloxi. The Red Ctoss was rather pathetic. The churches and everyday people got the Gulf coast back on their feet.
Yep.
Stealing your clients’ money is never a good look.
like the Clinton Foundation? LOL
https://www.givesendgo.com/FreedomConvoy2022
A half a million already.
It would be much more if the site were working. I have been trying to donate since last night and can’t get through
You can tell hes a good man without even saying a word.
Anyone have a popular account on Rumble to post this video? Google You Tube = Go F Me
And someone might want to tell him the enemy has turned the mic to his smart phone in his pocket on and is listening to everything he says.
And most were led to believe “five eyes” was a defense operation ! Well that’s true, they didn’t lie, they just didn’t tell you that the defense was from you !
Yep. Deplorable bad guys, those patriots and freedom lovers.
Good to see you. Haven’t seen you for a while.
That’s a very fair point that needs to be made. Everyone there should be leaving their phones in the next room, at a minimum. Have someone outside to pick up the phone if it rings.
That could be useful. All warfare is based on deception. Gather everyone around, create a false script, and speak loudly about a massive rally point at some remote location a la “the freshwater system at Midway is malfunctioning” trick and see how the enemy responds. When only the police and undercover agents show up, take their pictures and pass them around.
I love it!!!
Assume that camera and microphone are on at all times – why do you think they gave us phones with cameras in the first place?
Can’t say I found the attorney’s message riveting in style or substance — we already pretty much know what he stated. No clues as to how they are going to approach both the police dept and GFM, but then he would probably not share tactics publicly. Overall, I got a ho-hum impression.
I know Keith personally.
He is an absolute pitbull. Took on the Alberta government and provincial power companies and whooped ass.
Underestimate him at your own peril.
https://thetyee.ca/News/2011/02/04/KeithWilsonRevolutionary/
Cheers from British Columbia.
My understanding is Keith is a Q.C.
Many Americans may not know that a Q.C. ( Queens Counsel) has true status in the legal community.
Sweet.
And obviously Keith is still a pitbull; he took on the entire government of Canada by backing the truckers and their fight for freedom.
Now that’s a relief! Thanks for adding that, Ran
Will Canadians be able to see his message? If the government and local authorities declare these protests illegal won’t that simply allow the internet giants to justify blocking these messages?
I was quite shocked at the message from the lawyer, because the way he spoke there could be no denying this is one of those moments that is a definite line in the sand between actual freedom or the darkness of absolute tyranny. So for such a level headed lawyer to speak this way, it’s a jarring moment of no return, is the message I’m seeing in this.
Thats why he asked all who view, to SHARE.
He and his clients have been under no illusions, from the outset of what they are up against (totalitarian regime).
And have known from the outset if they lose this battle they will be destroyed.
We are seeing the same courage, detirmination and cunning of our founders!
“We must all hang together, or we will most assuredly all be hung seperately!”
The beginning of the Olympics (which I am boycotting) has a torch lighting. Could we borrow some Trucker “Sand” and carry it around our country like a torch? Visuals carry a lot of sentiment, as we have seen. Sundance approves of sand, don’t you know!
Some folks watched too much Matlock
I’m so glad to see your post.
It was ‘love at first sight’ for me when I saw him in the video they released a few days ago, so your post confirms my impression of him as an attorney.
His obvious concern speaks volumes about the critical nature of the situation and danger going forward.
I got calm resolve.
Me too, along with a hefty dose of exhaustion.
Yes, I agree.
I’m energised, myself.
me too Dutch, we are winning!
Likewise!
Soozword – a really GOOD attorney never reveals their emotions or their strategy. Stay positive.
He is a lawyer not a tv personality. He only needs to be a killer at his craft.
Thank you to all the admin folks at CTH today. There have been a lot of posts put up and so many comments. It’s gotta be pretty overwhelming trying to keep up. Thanks for all you do!
i goto second that thanks Sarah you to admin
YES! Thank you Sarah Lee for speaking up for all of us to acknowledge the great work by the CTH team.!
https://gab.com/groups/976
Canada news ….will keep you advised of happenings
For heaven’s sake people, use Rumble too!
Depending on YouTube is even more foolhardy than using GFM.
Every Trucker regardless of whether or not they’re part of the Freedom Convoy should absolutely develop covid and truck problems when it comes to delivering food all across Ottawa. Justeen wants to be a communist dictator, let him get the military to do the wholesale food deliveries
I would say they should do the same here in the US, but Biden’s mafia connections control the unions which are big in trucking. Why do you think he always meets with the UNIONS everywhere he goes, he is kicking the money back. Just like the old days.
Respectfully, Brandon meets with, and kicks back $ to the Union LEADERSHIP.
So, depends on WHICH union, as to whether the membership supports Brandon.
Teachers Union? SURE.
Many involved with blue collar jobs, not so much.
A # of Union officials told the Hillary campaign, in 2016, that while THEY supported Hillary, they could NOT guarantee their membership.
Last time that happened, was with Reagan.
And I doubt that has changed, with Brandon.
who do you think operates the local voting centers, volunteer union members, esp. teachers union.
Man Child Justin is in quarantine at the GoFundMe HQ. FJT
The biggest mistake made by the Nazi regime was attacking the Russians. Just wondering how the Marxist in Ottawa would like Toronto blocked by Patriots. An mane each and every port of entry and crossing shut down. The best defense is a great offense. FJB and friend FJ T.
The Truckers are astute, and have lots of options, to ratchet things up; THEY control the direction and intensity, and continue to have the element of surprise and initiative.
The Gov has none of that; all their actions are anticipated, predictable and easily countered. And they have NO GOOD OPTIONS.
Where is Benjamin?
Arrived in Ottawa! Hotel is full of vehicles with Canadian flags. Patriots abound.
The oppressive force of Trudeau is unbearable if you are alone! He needs to isolate us so we feel vulnerable. As soon as I encounter other patriots, my spirit was at ease.
The feeling of realizing that your country is slipping into totalitarianism is terrifying! It is real. It is so awful to watch it happen in real time.
I bow my head to a living God tonight. We are humbled by His divine presence. Powerful armies were destroyed by hornets and frogs. He is able to deliver us.
Stay strong CTH.
DD
Blessings from Indiana, DD. You and they are in our prayers and we’re using GiveSendGo.
The view of this just lifts my spirits.
DD
Glad you arrived safe and sound! Got any pics?.. Oh! You posted one a split second before I asked. Dare I say: Thanks and more please??!
Dan, with everything going on, I am sure that the truckers will be strengthened and renewed by your support. It matters. Thank you!
Dan Dale, best wishes from Santa Barbara. Please stay safe.
Same here from Los Angeles. Praying for you, Dan, truckers, brethren everywhere.
I’m near Seattle. I hope that doesn’t taint my good wishes:)
Fionnagh,
Same here!
I am absolutely loving these truckers.
Blessings to you from northern Minnesota, Dan. Praying for peace and joy from the Lord as you walk with fellow patriots this night.
Cheers D.D.
Our thoughts are with you.
IMO the events today by the
fascist Ottawa Police Chief and Go F*ck me has further opened the worlds eyes.
God bless you.
Stay strong and let everyone there know all the treepers are with them in spirit and prayer.
All the best DD, good to see your in the mix, another here that steps up to the plate, Mungrel is proud.
Stay safe brother, stay safe.
Mungrel not pawn in game of life!
Hugs and Prayers! Rock on!
Prayers and blessings from a very red hide-out in the blue state of Maryland!
I happen to currently be studying the book of Exodus and your reference to frogs and insects is SPOT ON!
God be with you!
Lol, we should start a rumor that JT is “plagued” with BOILS!
Rumor? They ARE boils on humanity! 🤣🤣
Hello Dan from Oklahoma. We are with you, buddy. Stay safe, and God bless.
Greetings and good luck from about 3,000km south !
Guess that “report” that the city had bought up all the hotel space there is (as usual) Fake News.
See you “on the hill” Dan Dan.
Sweet News! thank you Dan Dale! another Canuck eager to know what’s taking place. Glad you had success with obtaining a room.
So nice to see their spirits are high.
Praying for the safety of all those Truckers and their families.
While they may be able to temporarily withhold the funding to these truckers, there’s not a damn thing they can do to withhold the prayers that we all send their way! That’s a check that will be cashed inevitably!
Well here is a boots on the ground report for folks in the U.S.A.
Three from this household will be traveling to an overpass in Greater Vancouver to cheer on our convoy.
This latest action by the Jackboots in the Ottawa Police and Go Fu*k Me.
Has only strengthened our resolve, and hardened our disgust for our tyrannical State.
Ottawa, like Vancouver ,N.Y. D.C. Portland, Seattle etc have become enclaves of psychopaths and their flock.
Let these places bleed..
We recently sold an investment property we had in Vancouver.
The possible loss in capital appreciation means squat.
We want nothing to do with the place.
Cheers!
Dekester! Trudeau doesn’t hate the truckers. He hates you for what you are doing on the overpass. You are demonstrating joy and fearlessness.
We will walk with a smile on our face! They can’t invade our soul. You on that overpass represent what this is all about.
Please keep the truckers in your earnest prayers. These guys are front line warriors. They have resolve and dedication.
DD
In DC we are flying the Canadian Flag! It is loud and proud! And it is not the only one…
Prayers for you guys. Our family of 5 is there for you!!!!! And we are sending 3 times more than we sent on GFM!
J
Fantastic!!
I am looking forward to adopting a trucker.
I need that info. It’s time.
Hah!
“Trudue isn’t after the TRUCKERS.
He is after YOU, the Truckers are justin his way.”
Great to see you here Dekester, you know what I want to say, you also know that I would be repeating the words you said to me when I was on the front line.
I am thinking about your mob, just remember what I said about taking advantage of the back alleys !
You still owe me a 🍺 mungrel don’t forget, by the time your finished I we might have to call it square 😜 !
Godspeed Dk .
Good Stuff M,
Rest assured we are up for the fight.
My adrenaline is flowing fast, that said like my scrapping days I must remember to pace myself.
This will be a war of attrition and we are “ in it to win it”
These Cu*ts have escalated
this beyond reason, and from what I am witnessing the good guys have just started.
Great to see protests in Australia too.
Cheers!
Great to remember how to use adrenaline, ha , he ,ha just think with age com’s privilege, no Queensbury rules no more, pure street brother ! I like fence pickets myself !
When you get a chance, how’s the turban mob doin ?
Cheers.
Me starting to understand mungrel speak!
Once you get the hang of it, it’s a piece of cake. Right, Mungrel? LBT
Actually many Sikhs, are protesting against the regime.
It’s amusing to see Trudeau
Making an arse of himself.
There is a great video an individual posted from Ottawa of a nerdy white chick with a “ Anti White Nationalist “ sign and a Sikh next to her being interviewed praising the truckers.
😂😂
Stay frosty, and be constantly on the lookout for agents provocateurs infiltrating your ranks. The FBI/RCMP only have one playbook, and you saw it in action on 06 January, 2021.
Ah, but the thing about infiltrators, and even agents provacatuer, it works both ways.
It’s not just Ottawa Police working against the truckers for Justin Trudeau…. The tyrants are really showing how desperate they are…. They now have the thoroughly corrupt U.S. DHS and FBI helping out.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/ottawa-police-team-federal-intelligence-agencies-including-us-dhs-fbi-launch-enhanced-intelligence-operations-investigations-truckers-freedom-convoy/
All the more reason to move now here.
Agree.
I don’t know if this is a sign of desperation, as you say, or a show of power and force. Perhaps it can be all of the above, but I think the fact that they hold all the power makes any desperation they may feel (and I don’t think they feel any) irrelevant.
That’s just it… the power they hold is predicated on their being able to live their lives. Without food, gas, and other stuff, they just have computer programs.
There is a basic tenet in the world… Civilization is completely based on the top six inches of soil and the fact it rains at times. The same could be said about the red blood cells of a civilization, they are called truckers.
I am going to save your post.
Thanking you in advance as I will be using those words tomorrow.
Always glass 1/2 empty.
It’s simply my view of things based on history, what I’ve observed in my lifetime, what some of those closest to me have experiencing first hand in their lives, and what I see unfolding. I understand it may not be a message some want to hear, and that’s ok. My perception isn’t The Truth. It’s just my take on things. For me, it’s not a matter of half full or half empty. It’s just what is the way that I see it. But I understand some may hear what I sometimes (not “always”) have to say through that lens.
If I may also add, in the past 4-5 years we have been wrong more times than not in thinking our enemies were desperate. Frustrated and visciously reactive, yes, but not desperate.
I agree.
Sarah, I guess you are guilty of realism. (Is that a word?)
“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.” Abraham Lincoln
How are the feds going to disguise themselves as awesome Truckers? They completely failed trying to blend in with MAGA Patriots. Ha!
Again, obvious.
Justin has no doubt been brainstorming with all the other totalitarian wannabe govts, for over a week now, and co-ordinating with 5 eyes.
Anticipated, it can be countered, both by equally sophisticated electronic methods, and by good old analog methods.
Recall the code war, of WW2.
The axis had sophisticated (for the time) cypher machines, impossible to decode without the machine.
So, allies got a machine.
Allies used navaho code talkers,..with minders who’s assignment was to shoot the code talker, before allowing him to be captured.
Move, countermove, adapt, overcome.
Two ways to make the truckers point understood.
All Ottawa police and Parliament Hill members and support staff look overweight. And, truckers deliver what again?
The price of delivering food and supplies could sky rocket any day now in this bad economy.
Do you have any suggestions, to help?
Sloly is legally under and mis informed.. poor man will spend a lot of the rest of his life in jail.. the frontline officers are to be pitied.. I hope there aren’t too many injured and killed during this “confrontation”. Unfair to send good uninformed people to censor, harass and cause distress to citizens lawfully upholding their constitututional rights. Sloly must be removed and incarcerated, he has committed TREASON. I wish the frontline officers no harm, however, the reality is there may be some injured and killed during the illegal use of “power” to suppress the citizens, if I could be there i would.. any interference in the protest with any level of intimidation or force will, legally be able to be met with ANY level of retaliation needed to ensure the safety, freedom and sanctity of the peoples rights. Make citizens arrests of anyone attempting to disrupt this rightful protest..
GoFundMe?!? Who is advising these people to use a well known leftists funding site?
Foolish, avoidable mistake.
Give them a break please.
These are decent folks and likely had no knowledge of how corrupt GFM is.
Prior to discovering this site, although “street smart” I had no comprehension of the magnitude of the worldwide corruption.
PDJT awakened the world.
UNless there is a provsion in the User Agreement that allows GFM to steal provided funds, they have committed wire fraud and fradudulent inducement to contract.
Sounds good on paper, but so what?
Since they are located in the US, and the fraud committed in a foreign country – I think they’ve bitten off way more than they can chew.
As well, that naturally extends to any organization that even came close to this issue – they are guilty as well.
In a just world/system, this would send so many people to count trees on Ellesmere Island, it would tip over.
It is not a just world.
Stop The Steal
Well said, MP.
TPTB steal elections, freedom, body autonomy, liberty, basic human rights and charitable donations.
They are tyrannical scum.
We all had this discussion about a week ago…
That was a beautiful thing to read!
The abridged version
I believe Trudeau is shi**ing his pants.
The Ottawa Police Chief looked and sounded weak.
Threatening fellow officers for showing compassion.
He is in hiding, and is being mocked regularly by Tucker Carlson and others.
Ezra Levants twitter continue to be good source of updates.
A famous Canadian hockey player Theo Fleury is one tough individual and a hugely patriotic Canadian.
He regularly inspires confidence in the likes of me and many other Canadians with his twitter feed.
I am not signed on the twat but just read the posts.
Like the U.S. the real challenge is the bought and paid for shills in the media.
As Andrew said this is war.
Cheers!
Im with you Dekester!
War, indeed. Not of our making though they are doing their best to say it is.
This is the government our Founding Fathers warned us about.
Stay safe up there, hold the line. The GFM fiasco has exposed the rapaciousness of your government and the duplicity of the high tech crowd. It’s a tough awakening for some but it had to happen.
No, the real challenge is the controlled opposition party.
Decapitate that (POLITICALLY I mean) cut off the head of the snake, which is more than just O’toole, purge the party of the inauthentic careerists, both at National and Provincial and local levels.
Once you do that, you have an effective scalpel, to cut out the cancer, including addressing the media.
Without that, nothing can be done, to address any other issue.
Rinos ARE the problem, and addressing that problem, is the solution to EVERY other issue.
I have said we need to vote in new people in all federal offices for 20 years to try and remove the rot.
True, that said.
Rebel News and Ezra Levant are despised by our government and MSM.
His crew are now worldwide, and are even talked about on Tucker Carlson.
Without Rebel News the truckers would be near voiceless.
Cheers!
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@Sundance
The Charter of Rights has section one but the current situation in no way warrants suspension of it.
Please see this video and also more of former Prime Minister Peckford, who is one of the original creators in the 1980’s of this Charter. (5 minutes 3 seconds into Freedom is the Greater Good! from Justincredible TV – I tried to paste timeindex but doesnt work)
The Charter is embedded in the Canadian Constitution, it cannot be circumvented.
All law has to adhere to the charter, if not it is null and void.
And these mandates, they are not even law. So they cannot bypass any charter rights at all.
These are unlawful mandates.
My understanding also:
Further the Canadian Government never declared a real Emergency, as by the Canadian Emergencies Act.
Because this would come at great cost of transparency, committees, oversight… There was no basis to declare a lawful emergency so Trudeau backhanded mandates to the Provinces.
Prime Minister Peckford?
Good spot, it is former Premier Peckford of Newfoundland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Peckford
Terrific update.
Cheers!
Last week I watched, and then posted here on the Treehouse, an interview between Mr. Peckford and Jordan Peterson where Mr. Peckford was announcing a lawsuit to bring the country of Canada back into alignment with its Charter. I haven’t seen any news reports on how that lawsuit was being received, must be another thing the Canadian-run media is hiding.
Here is that video, it’s 1 hr 22 min. so wondering if there is any news on how that lawsuit’s proceeding.
Heres your answer:
https://www.rebelnews.com/premier_brian_peckford_is_suing_canada_over_covid-19_vaccine_travel_mandates
Thanks!
https://www.jccf.ca/the-charters-only-living-signatory-sues-canada-over-travel-mandates/
Peckford is suing the Trudeau government…. (God speed….)
https://www.rebelnews.com/premier_brian_peckford_is_suing_canada_over_covid-19_vaccine_travel_mandates
A lot of eyes are watching Canada and how they want to play the freedom game! Waiting to see just who is the enemy of freedom! I remember a little incident that reminds me of this. It involved a name known as Bundy!
yes, and the followup event where the FBI shot Lavoy Finicum in cold blood. Watch your back. If the gov “loses” they will not stop
Looks like Trudeau has been talking to the FBI/IC and taking a page from the J6 playbook. He and his government must be truly desperate … just end the mandates, easy.
Evil will lose; love always wins🇺🇸
I have experienced enough in life to know that love does not always win.
Evil wins when good men do nothing.
I have said before that typing stuff on the internet is equivalent to doing nothing in time of war… or revolution. Words are not enough.
I agree and it is really obvious in such critical times as we find ourselves now. Whether it’s Ted Talks, think tanks or computer screens, the character of our nation has been exposed. “Crisis doesn’t make character, it reveals it”
I am wary, with reason, of newer members showing up here and promoting anything beyond words.
Psy_N_Tist, I hope you don’t have coworkers that wear khakis, Ray-bans and carry tiki torches.
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the FBI is not even allowed to interfere in foreign states?
They are a domestic agency. CIA perhaps. USA, keep your J6 political plants in the US, Canada does not need them 😛 We have enough Charter violations as it is.
But since all the agencies are all snooping from the same NSA database and Canada is part of 5-eyes maybe they got bored of the states and looking to run some good old foreign interference..
Do you honestly believe a little thing like a law is going to stop the FIB?
US embassy is in Ottawa. That would create the necessary atmosphere to allow the FBI into the system?
Besides, having the FBI, as opposed to CIA…..I’m thinking optics.
Peter Strozk went to London as part of Russiagate. He served 2 masters (FBI/CIA). So there are others like him in Canada I’m sure.
Like your enthusiasm, but love doesn’t always win. There are plenty of events in recent history that show that “evil always wins.” The more accurate statement is that “evil loses only when good people rise up to defeat it.” And that doesn’t always happen.
Beautifully stated. Would that what you shared were not so.
Lawyers on their way to Ottawa… https://www.rebelnews.com/civil_liberties_charity_concerned_about_police_threats_to_kettle_peaceful_protesters_in_ottawa
How about listening to Brian Peckford….the guy that wrote the Charter of Rights and Freedoms embedded in the Canadian Constitution
Sounds like they’ve set up a program to destroy the truckers much the way Antifa, BLM, Pelosi, and her FBI allies went after the Jan 6 protesters.
They have a very limited playbook, “the tyrants handbook”, 34th edition, revised.
Yes, there have been major additions, to take into account new technologies.
However, the authors have never come up with a play, to counter a peaceful uprising of the citisenry in UNITY, refusing to comply, and by word and action, withdrawing the consent of the governed.
Sundance has made this point, repeatedly, as have I.
THIS is why totalitarians expend so much time on deploying false narratives; to divide and conquer, keeping We the People fighting amongst ourselves.
The singing revolution of the Baltic States, the Solidarity mvmnt of Poland, and now the great Truckers Convoy mvmt of Canada (as history will call it) all affirm this eternal truth.
You can not tyranise a populace, unless they let you.
ALL the plays in the handbook, are ways to PREVENT this from happening. Once it happens, the tyranists are screwed.
Canada and the United States need to implement a national strike. It would be difficult to impossible for the tyrants to do anything else but to step back. No police force cold stop it as nobody would be protesting on the streets. Everyone simply go home and rest up until the SOB’s surrender.
Nope. You are afraid of conflict. Especially personal face to face conflict.
Voluntary self arrest is not a winning position.
Patience, Francis.
Think both strategically, and tactically, and without emotion.
The Truckers are winning, there are many options available to them, IF they judge it advantageous to apply additional pressure.
The truckers have valiantly stormed the beach and taken the high ground…the second wave should be millions of individual citizens peacefully protesting throughout all of Canada.
Don’t know about the rest of the readers,, but this old lady will NEVER donate to ‘GO FUND ME’ ever again for any reason. Just give me an real address and I’ll send a check or money order, but NEVER DONATE TO GO FUND ME AGAIN.
This old lady never did.
Neither did this old lady!
Well, at least there are a few of us!
🙋♀️ Me, neither!
Nor this old lady. Never did never will. However, I will donate to the truckers thru GoSendGo which has been overwhelmed with generous donors for freedom. The site is very slow, opened only last night and has already reached 1M$.
What happened to the ‘edit’ button? Should have typed GoSendGive. Duh.
So basically it’s J6 Canadian style. Must have talked to Pelosi. Let’s hope the 150 recruits the City of Ottawa is bringing in all wear raybans and khaki pants. Go Truckers!
The Ottawa police need to stand down. Hold the line!
Now they are bringing in sauna’s! This camp is being run separately from the main organizers. The narrator is a bit annoying, patronizing or something, he is filming license plates and such. I was uncomfortable w/some of his info sharing, his commentary is dry, but there are some good scenes and interviews. I fast forwarded through the dry spots.
Winnipeg
Toronto
Edmonton
Punch, counter punch, jab, left hook.
Best Winter Olympics….EVER!
Haven’t watched a moment of the Olympics and don’t intend to.
Right, crush the truckers to maintain your grip – but who will people blame when there is no food on the shelves and no truckers to deliver it?
Truckers message;
End Mandates, End Division
Freedom over fear.
Gov message; everyone has the right to come, peacefully protest, and then go home, while we ignore them.
They do NOT have the right to disrupt or inconveniance fellow citisens, in order to demand we actually listen to them.
You forgot: “…but we have the right to do w/e we want to inconvience you or cost you your livelihood if you refuse to bow to our demands”.
This would be a Perfect Opportunity for My President Donald J. Trump to Donate
$10 Million of his own money thru another funding group to show Freedom Lovers everywhere where his Loyalties are ! He would reap $100 Million in Political Power and Positive Advertising with this one act for Freedom Lovers Worldwide !
I’d rather see DJT organize and soecifically fund his construction crews and dispatch them for reinforcements. Of course I realize he cannot do any of it.
Enough with the “funding groups”.
Or both!
Yes….one of President Trump’s best qualities is that he is a *builder*.
He will excel at this, if he chooses this path.
More than a builder. His response to hurricanes in his first year was jaw dropping. Never did anyone in my lifetime demonstrate that level of expeditious response. Likewise some logistical components of Warp Speed were historic. Of course, the catastrophic actions of that same campaign foolisly removed our Constitutional freedoms and as a result we find ourselves here.
Any Trump hotels in the area?
That would be a great way to support the cause.
I’m convinced that the withholding (theft) of funds was collusion between GoFundMe and Canadian government officials. Two possibilities: 1) GFM needed a “plausible” reason to stop the funds from going to the truckers, and the Canadian govt officials were happy to comply (i.e., supplying GFM with a bogus claim of “unlawful activity”). 2) Canadian govt officials needed a way to stop the funding, and GFM was happy to comply.
One of these two groups got the ball rolling, and the other jumped right in.
Similar to what was done by Education Secretary Cardona soliciting letter from National School Boards Assn here in U.S.
Yes, why wait until the fund was over $10mil? Because it was deliberate, and that makes it embezzlement.
International embezzlement, proceeds of crime crossing international borders….interesting. If anything would be done about it.
Sure, there WAS a lot of communication between gof*ckme and gof*ckyou, and it took them awhile to figure out their game plan.
They were caught by surprise, certainly. The solution they came up with is bizarre, of not simply refunding the $.
I wonder if supplying info on all donors, was part of the deal, and how much GFM is able to retain, before passing $ on to “charities”?
There is another Canadian Charity Law firm, similar to our ACLU, that have attorneys on-site to help truckers etc with legal probs.
The Democracy Fund is a registered Canadian charity, registered in 2019, who donate their time and represent civil liberty abuses pro bono. The Democracy Fund attorneys have dedicated a good part of their efforts right now to help people needing legal help associated with the Canadian Trucker Freedom Convoy.
The website for these attorneys is https://www.thedemocracyfund.ca/
The attorneys also said they have registered domain name truckerlaw.ca, but that site does not appear to have been DNS populated yet.
Anyways, h/t of course (as always) Stella, as this is from a Viva Frei livestream from this evening. Begin at 1:55:25 and listen. Begins with Viva asking “Are you the lawyers?”
@CandiceMalcolm
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Canada lost 200,000 jobs in January, nearly double what economists expected, and the unemployment rate rose to 6.5%. This is because of the lockdowns and the mandates. But yeah, keep blaming the truckers for all your problems.
At least they’re honest about it. Unlike the statistic manipulators in this country. Pretzeling the figures to show how the US is what it isn’t. Figures lie and liars figure…the same as it has always been.
I have some experience assessing (commercial and litigation ) lawyers after brief meetings.
This one sounds like a beta with inoffensive written all over him.
Bad choice, this gets won on tv not in a Court. Cut through legals need on the steps.
Err…’cut through legal interviews are needed on the Court house steps’
Agree this war will not be won in the courts, but that doesn’t mean the truckers don’t need lawyers.
While I have always represented en proper (self-representation) I have interacted with my share of lawyers, and have known some who come across as very innoffensive,..until they get in a courtroom, then they areca barracuda.
I would not dismiss anyone, based on one 5 minute video.
Give me strength….
No-one I know said ” that doesn’t mean truckers don’t need lawyers” You made that up.
You goose.
Bad read. Check his background.
I did before I commented. Nil cut through outside a Court.
Ezra Levant will know just the lawyer for them.
Anyone want to start a conservative go fund me???? What the phuck is wrong with us? No wonder we loose elections.
We lose more than elections. We’ve lost our way.
Ever heard of Give Send Go? Look it up. That’s who the Truckers have now set up a donation fund with. GSG is reliable and don’t cancel conservative causes.. They funded Kyle Rittenhouse’s defense fund.
GB…they are under a DDOS and bot attack right now. That is why that site is having so much trouble.
Yes, I just thought the same thing. It’s consistent with such an attack. I hope they have expert IT help to fix that and then insulate them from more attacks…
Imagine: it might actually be Canada in which the first battle is engaged.
With every stupid pronouncement from LEO and Ottawa, the more cookies little kids and their grandmothers and moms are baking for the truckers and the farmers.
It’s quite an impressive uprising, it is, eh!
WV Attorney General Patrick Morrisey wants West Virginians who have been victimiized by false advertising [such as GFM has just done] to contact him. Likely other AGs will join with him.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-west-virginia-attorney-general-slams-gofundme-urges-residents-to-report-deceptive-practices-after-freedom-convoy-page-shut-down
Minnesota’s leftist AG, Keith I-Beat-Women Elison, will only fight for leftists.
Not him! lolol Red state AGs tend to stick together, so a dozen or more join a lawsuit rather than a dozen individual suits. They work that whole strength in numbers angle.
Give me strength….
This fellow sounds like he’s on valium…like most Canadians on tv do, most of the time.
Look at his body language.
Legs apart presenting vulnerability then covering his genitals with his locked hands while crouching forward.
You think they don’t notice Keith?
Geeeez.
No responses?
😉
The truth burns as usual.
Write and believe what you share here.
Find validation in your own sincerity and you will need it less from others.
Needy is never an appealing trait.
misjudge him at your peril
I’m loving Elon Musk lately!
Canadians are not messing around. My gosh.
Wow. Thank you for sharing that. Amazing! Love to see this grow, build, and spread across the country.
Golly, Wouldn’t it be great to block the freeways in Los Angeles? Just sayin. Maybe just around downtown.
I think the lefties in Ottawa are a lot less dangerous than those grown in the USA and especially LA.
It’s obvious all the anti-terror apparatus put in place since 9/11 was never for some Jihadi bogeymen; it was always for us! They damm well knew 20 years ago when first dicking around with these SARS viruses – and even then rehearsing ‘containment’ procedures, what they were planning. Global population cull and digital enslavement of the rest – until their ‘use-by’ date passes. Sure smells that way now.
Exactly 💯
Treepers who want to donate via GiveSendGo, be aware there are multiple links to this crowd funding site that use key words like trucker convoy. Make sure you get to the page that’s legit and directing funds to this convoy.
Ottowa Police Chief Peter Sloly is a graduate of the FBI National Academy and served two tours of duty in the United Nations Peacekeeping Mission in Kosovo.
Trained by the FBI and the United Nations. I bet Justine just loves this guy.
So he’s your run-of-the-mill NWO globalist placed into a position of authority by international leftists in a major western city? Although essentially uneducated and unqualified; he does meet the only criteria that matters in places like Washington DC, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, St Louis, New Orleans and Atlanta… he hates the middle class and has the proper skin color.
People have to get smart on opsec, operational security.
If you send money to GFM you have just put your name in a database that will be used to zero out your bank accounts some time in the future.