[NOTE: For those reading from Capitol Hill, take action immediately. Do not let Ratcliffe and Grenell attempt to fight the corrupt intelligence community from the outside.]
Earlier today Joint Chiefs Chairman, General Mark Milley, again claimed that intelligence was gathered and given to him showing that China was fearful of an imminent attack from the United States prior to Milley’s phone call with Chinese military to assure them the U.S. was not about to attack. This is the same claim that General Milley made yesterday [LINK] about the same issue. WATCH video at 08:52 Prompted:
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Immediately after this repeated claim, former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe directly refuted Milley on Fox News with Martha MacCallum. The intelligence products used by the Pentagon come from the DNI office, and John Ratcliffe noted there was no intelligence that China held any such concerns. As a result, any justification claim that Milley makes about his motives for the call surrounding “deescalation” are nonsense.
The Chinese did not escalate an issue because the issue did not exist. The Chinese were not worried the U.S. was going to attack. General Milley’s claims are based on a false premise. The question is, did another intelligence agency purposefully lie to Milley, or is Milley making it all up?
If you and I were sitting on a park bench doing nothing, there would be no concerns. However, if you sat down and I said, “I’m not going to hit you“, suddenly you would become concerned. That is the essential outlook for what appears to have taken place.
The intelligence apparatus of the United States created a completely false assertion, false intelligence; and then Milley acted unilaterally based on that false assertion. Keeping in mind that DNI Ratcliffe is very adamant there never was any such intelligence.
♦ If General Milley was that easily manipulated by the intelligence community, most likely the CIA, it doesn’t speak well for his own judgement and discernment considering he is the chief pentagon advisor to the President.
♦ If General Milley was willing to be manipulated by the CIA, and act upon intelligence he knew or suspected to be false, well, then he’s a conspirator within a purposeful effort to undermine the Office of the President and U.S. foreign policy.
Neither of these two scenarios is good; and they both present evidence of a superseding Fourth Branch of Government, operated by a rogue and Machiavellian intelligence community.
As John Ratcliffe noted in his rebuke of General Mark Milley’s justification, if the claim of legitimate intelligence was true, someone would have briefed President Trump about it. No-one from the office of the Director of National Intelligence, or the DoD, or the National Security Council ever saw any evidence that anything like what Milley is claiming actually existed.
The false intelligence that underpins the Milley phone call with China could be the thread that exposes the hidden Fourth Branch of government. If congressional representatives and honest independent media are willing to pull it and not let go.
…and the plot thickens
Two big “ifs”…
Let’s see what happens.
Next up: Milley orders the Chinese to arrack the US.
Or the Chinese order Milley to do it
More likely than a direct Chinese attack.
It will be an inside job if it comes to pass.
The Chinese attack already happened. Now, it’s escalating.
The CCP aids and abets and our national self destruction from which it expects to profit.
I think is one of the critical concerns Americans should be concerned about. The present Communist/Fascist/Totalitarian government now in power and control are “self-destructing” the United State of America. It sure looks that way to me.
Afghanistan debacle, Covid vaccine mandates, Southern border fiasco and Fraudulent election sure does not look like anything serving America’s interest. It seems like a well designed plan of a propagandized Media, indoctrination education system, compromised Senate, Congress, Supreme Court, “Deep State” swamp and Military.
What presently exists is not going to save a Constitutional United States. There has to be a solution generated by the People. The leadership has to be led by Donald Trump. Presently I don’t see anyone else having the wherewithal to effectively pull it off if in fact it is going to be pulled off which I think and feel it is about to be pulled-off.
The Chinese attack already happened…
Then… Miley gave them aid and comfort…
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Yikes! For goodness sake, if these types of things don’t qualify as treason and a ticket to be hanged than there is actually no such thing as treason.
The minute he picked up the phone and dialed it was treason.
If such be the case, “Treason doth never prosper: What’s the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
And who will be the one to make this judgement?
I’m afraid there are no “heroes” in government any longer.
They are self proclaimed heroes of DeepState.
We are the enemy.
No there’s not. Even the judges and the courts are corrupt. It’s so sad. They all will pay one day. Count on it!
They’ve pretty much got the bases all covered.
Their excuse is all about safety, and it’s all a secret for your own good.
The CIA has had over seventy years to hone its criminal skills and racketeering.
In an ideal world, it should have been disbanded and its leaders convicted under RICO.
That’ll be the day.
We will never see.
The CIA has run the show since November 22, 1963.
The president at that time had attempted to rein it in and the main event of November 22 put an end to that.
Are these people going to get away with this garbage again? Is it as simple as setting up more opposition to Trump by making him look bad? There should be paper trails, transcripts, for all this to counter what he is saying. The press will not be interested but Judicial Watch would. Devin Nunes where are you?
Unfortunately I believe they will get away with it again!
Probably at Fox News…. /
Fox news turned out to be liars. I watched them daily until they went to the dark side.
Sounds like those intelligence “silos” of information that Sundance observed in operation last year during his visit to the DC Swamp, are working exactly as designed…..
The call would have been recorded.
Rephrasing for context: “Is this the one time in my entire adult life that these people will finally NOT get away with it?”
For those interested in what The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs job is…it’s not talking to China
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title10-section163&num=0&edition=prelim
The Plot thickens, maybe he help spread the virus too, kill 600 K of us citizens
This rings true. Trump refused to be baited into any wars and the idea that he was thinking of attacking – or that the Chinese were stupid enough to think Trump would attack just doesn’t make ANY sense. I watched part of what Miley said – I think he’s a problem – something wrong there.
You are right, it is unbelievable. President Trump did economic war, not actual war.
I wish he hadn’t appointed this guy but I’m sure the traitors around him recommended him. I’d like to know who.
President Trump knows who.
Both the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation have publicly bragged about filling in appointments or hiring for the Trump administration.
In 2014, the Heritage Foundation began building a database of approximately 3,000 conservatives who they trusted to serve in a hypothetical Republican administration for the upcoming 2016 election.
According to individuals involved in crafting the database, several hundred people from the Heritage database ultimately received jobs in government agencies, including Scott Pruitt, Betsy DeVos, Mick Mulvaney, Rick Perry, Jeff Sessions and others who became members of Trump’s cabinet.
Jim DeMint, president of the Heritage Foundation from 2013 to 2017, personally intervened on behalf of Mulvaney who would go on to head the Office of Management and Budget, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and later become acting White House Chief of Staff.
In 2021, after Trump lost re-election, the Heritage Foundation hired Chad Wolf, Ken Cuccinelli and Mark Morgan, all three of whom played a prominent role in the immigration policies of the Trump administration.It also hired former Vice President Mike Pence.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation
The Heritage Foundation turned out to be another phony RINO organization in the end.
I rest my case. Rino’s caused this but they try to blame the Dems which are liars. We know this. Rino’s liars too. I’m from ga., Mr Kemp, what about you?
Milley was probably briefed by pilousy and biteme.
Who were informed of China’s concern they would be held accountable for the virus and the attack on our elections by their ccp handlers.
See my above, at least for the lol.
Milley is obviously in the pocket of Xi Jinping.
The guy reassured our biggest enemy that we wouldn’t attack them.
Milley told them that he’d give them a warning if that were going to happen.
What else are we supposed to think? Global warming made him do it?
These RATS in power saw Trump as more of an enemy than China – or the Taliban – or Iran – or whoever.
Trump was Enemy No. 1, and still is.
China is still the RATS bff and benefactor.
Yep. That’s exactly right. Trump was going to upset the applecart and that is why they all hated him and were determined to destroy his presidency. All of them, Democrats, Bush-Cheney Republicans and commie bureaucrats awaiting their pensions, not to mention the pigs at the military trough.
The greedy bastards are in the process of destroying the golden goose.
He has a striking resemblance to Jabba the Hut.
My money says Milley is a liar not to be trusted. His agenda is to weaken America First MAGA.
Also to continue to make Pres. Trump look bad and continue the narrative that he is dangerous.
Trump will always be dangerous to the DC elite and its ally CCP
I do not think President Trump comes off on the losing end of the stick. President Trump was not a warmonger like the Generals. When Gen. Milley has to state before the Senate and House that he loves America you know he afraid.
Milley is very afraid, he spoke with his Chinese Military counterpart suggesting he would notify him before there was an attack, really, treasonous behavior on Milley part since he knew President Trump would not attack China. Who suggested to Milley that China was worried they would be attacked?
The General is woke and supports CRT at West Point and other Military Academy’s. Milley and the other Generals abandoned Bagram airbase and the multi million dollar advanced weaponry and cash because Biden chose to gift it to the Taliban. Milley also conspired with Madame Pelosi another woke Marxist.
I think the credibility of the Biden Administration and the Generals is very low because of the horrible exit from Afghanistan and the fact that Americans were left behind enemy lines.
Your money’s good. I don’t think too many here would take you up on that bet…. ?
“I’ll take “or is Milley making it all up?” for $3.5 Trillion, Alex….”
Drop the “or is” for accuracy.
Kinda sounds like the agency that must not be named played the general like a cheap honky tonk piano. Settling some old scores? Another question one might wonder about is whether the general has even now gotten the first glimmer of a clue how he was used and abused by people ever so much smarter than he is. And Austin, hell don’t even get me started on Austin. I doubt he can walk and talk at the same time.
Another alternative is that his story about intel reports is a complete fabrication to justify his going off the rails.
Milley “used” and “abused” by one of the alphabet agencies?
I don’t think so. I think he is a willing accomplice in a covert plot to undermine P Trump and the MAGA America First agenda.
Seeing the DOJ/FBI Crossfire Hurricaine fail, seeing Fake Impeachement 1 fail, Milley used the Pentagon to accomplish what others could not.
Milley isn’t a victim; he is a perpetrator, traitor, actor with clear intent.
“Milley isn’t a victim; he is a perpetrator, traitor, actor with clear intent.”
Agreed. But that doesn’t preclude his being set up and used by another agency for their own purposes, perhaps running their own op against PDJT and setting the general up to take the fall. “Hey general, go smack that beasty dragon with this here stick.” And the dumb shit does it.
Do I hear snickering? I think I do.
Milley is a willing accomplice. He isn’t stupid. He didn’t get “played” “duped”.
I guess where I am going with this is that the anti-Trump, anti-MAGA are not a unified monolithic opposition. They are a disparate bunch of crap weasels all with their own agendas and interests, and they are just as happy to stick it to each other as to Trump. And with Trump out of office, they are back to sticking it to each other again. They are a bag of scorpions.
So is the General easily duped or is he duplicitous?
I recommend we embrace the power of “and”.
I sincerely hope Ratcliffe is solid, not that it matters anymore. I am up to my eyeballs with scratching names off my list of people who had me well and truly fooled. And I’m running out of paper and ink.
If Grennell is saying it as well, I would trust him…he is one of the ONLY ones that I think really did have the President’s back!
Oh how I agree with this. Grenell has that “cheeky chappy” (as we say in Britain) glint in his eye. He is forthright and never breaks gaze with those he debates or argues with. I really like him and his loyalty, a word that seems to have gone out of favor.
Just look at all the declassified documents he was able to release.
Or the election interference report that was delayed till after the installation of the thief in chief.
I thought he’d be more effective, or have more ability to get it all out there before the coup. It let’s me know that even the DNI head didn’t have total control. A lot of gumming up the works by others.
So similar to the Russia-Russia hoax, 17 minus 1 or 2 US INTEL agencies whispered in General Milley Vannily’s ear that China was worried about a US attack.
Facinating how the same updated for TV story line just seems to work over and over for allot of la la land dwellers.
SHTF??!!+%^$=>?
Go to 0:20:11
for an interesting take re. Milley contacting China/ undermining PDJT…
(Louder With Crowder)
Not a war zone. One side has no guns. The stupid Aussie’s willingly voted to surrender their right to own a gun.
Hey General Milley, did your “good buddy” the Chinese General give you a HEADS UP before they released the Wuhan virus?
Best question not asked today.
If Milley served under Gen. Patton , he’d get the you know what slapped out of him.
Before being shot.
This clown is reading a script and doing a crappy job of it or he did not have time to rehearse it.
General Officers, no matter how corrupt or militarily inept, are pretty good at professionally and convincingly delivering briefings, testimony, et al.
Milley no matter what you think of him is pretty darn smart and polished, yet I see NONE of that here.
He knows darn well he is being used and has to stay on script.
I have never seen “pretty darn smart and polished.” He seems dumb.
But then again I can never unseen the meme I saw with him with lipstick and earrings looking awkward and woke.
He is doing it because they have the photos, video, whatever.
Team B responds I have found sundance’ Team A team B paradigm to be useful in understanding the “news”. Not all is as it appears Report: Mark Milley Privately Blames State Dept. for Deadly Afghanistan Failurehttps://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/29/report-mark-milley-privately-blames-state-dept-for-deadly-afghanistan-failure/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR3V2NhhuOuUlO5NxTlWu2cAENUPUSk_l0KCO1fNLiRgvYWdUHIQSF7jWrw
The Team A and Team B stuff works to point. There is plenty of recent precedent of Generals retiring or resigning after making an ugly public statement about dumb or corrupt White House decisions.
He and the $1 Dollar Man Secretary of Defense (Steve) Austin knew darn well what was happening and went along for the ride.
Any concerned commander would have fudged the heck out the mission execution to ensure the troops and ALL US citizens involved were as safe as could be expected. (e.g. The recon in force that turns into main attack that should have been planned.) That did not happen.
Notice in all the hand wringing over defend Bagram or cover Kabul and Embassy not a single one of these geniuses even considered option3: MOVE IT ALL TO BAGRAM, just 40 miles away and with better as well as protected facilities. This whole withdraw was a planned disaster by ALL Teams from day 1.
Oddly enough the two most recently memorable involved Democrat Presidents:
General Singlab – Commander US Forces Korea under Jimmy Carter
Obama’s hand picked commander of his Afghanistan Surge in 2009, after Secretary of State Clinton put restrictive, impossible ROE in place and Obama yanked over 1/3 of the promised troops at the last minute.
What would be the point of this whole exercise – Milly claiming Trump is a war monger – the Chinese were scared so I had to call them – we all know Trump wasn’t going to start a war and it’s hard to believe the Chinese thought he would. So why did all this happen in the first place??
Did Milley, Pelosi etc REALLY suspect Trump was going to go out with a bang? I remember reading months ago that Nancy had called generals – she seems to be the start of this insanity.
The problem with that assertion is 4-years of Uni-party hacks and Media saying President Trump was not tough enough or in their pocket. Plus, all the very public meetings between President Trump and President Xi, where no tension was exposed.
Then there is the real problem to consider…if this were “real” it would have been part of impeachment 2.0.
Plus, there were the very public rebuff’s by DoD and Military of Botox Nancy trying to assume control of DoD, at the time.
Trying to read the tea leaves when the facts are clear as day…………………….I hear Q is calling and wants his conspiracy theories back.
Things are as they appear. We have seen this before. It was clear then and it is clear now.
This is simple. Milley wasn’t “played”. He is a willing actor in the plot to bring down P Trump and the America First MAGA Movement.
Senate should have treated Milley with contempt, not kid gloves…………Matt Gaetz had the right approach in dealing with despicable Clown Milley.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10042425/Matt-Gaetz-tells-Milley-Austin-FIRED-Biden-wasnt-addled.html
More Matt Gaetz …please!
Excellent take down of both traitors. Please post and share everywhere.
Matt is my congressman here in NWFL. Home of Eglin AFB and Hurlburt Field (AFSOC). Huge MAGA deep red and pro military part of FLA. He and MTG are two peas in a pod! Love em both
“If you and I were sitting on a park bench doing nothing, there would be no concerns. However, if you sat down and I said, “I’m not going to hit you“, suddenly you would become concerned. That is the essential outlook for what appears to have taken place.” – Sundance
Amen! We’re lucky the ChiComs didn’t get so concerned to strike first! We have so many fools/idiots, like Milley, at the upper echelon of the military, Congress, at the DOJ/FBI/IC and every Federal/State/local governmental agency even our medical community it’s astonishing! I believe everyone of those fools/idiots could easily be replaced by treepers here and the Republic would be saved and the country thriving!
Milley was seeking to provoke a response by the Chinese which he could use as a pretext to get Trump to respond in kind and further denigrate the President and inflame public opinion against him. Again a pre-arranged action in conjunction with those in the Intelligence (?) agencies to put the final nail into Trump presidency and any legitimacy to the claims of election fraud.
Milley also stated it is his responsibility to be transparent with the media/authors. As someone who has held a TOP SECRET/SI/TK/NOFORN security clearance, I can state with certainty that it most definitely is not.
I just lit a match under Nancy Mace’s feet. Doubt it’ll do any good, bought and paid for backstabbing b**** that she is, but it’s all I can do, for now.
Nancy Mace is a lying POS and needs to be primaried out.
I couldn’t agree more; I remember when she and the Charleston County GOPe intentionally destroyed our chances of taking out Clyburn. When we moved I hoped I’d gotten out of her district, but since I haven’t, I’ll proudly cast a vote for literally anyone else when it’s her turn to primary.
What is the Clown A$$ monkey brained idiot Milley doing interviews for a Book while working for our Military?
He shouldn’t have any time for that BS. Court Martial and 50 years in Leavenworth for that alone.
If he was consulting with Chinese against Trump then Treason charges need to be filed and added on to the prior charges.
During the Obama Presidency, Tom Sowell used to insist that if war with China, even North Korea, broke out, Obama would immediately surrender.
Milley seems to be perpetually all dressed up for the surrender ceremony. Location to be determined.
every time milley opens his mouth his noses grows. a perfect pick for chairman of the joint chiefs of staff for liberal americans.
I vote Milley is cya ing it and nothing more. Even if…even if someone told him that he’s guilty because he did not tell the president. No matter who did what and if. Milley’s guilt is craved in stone.
Next up: Milley calls China and says: “A nuclear strike is not incoming. Repeat: a nuclear strike is not incoming”
Milley is a disgrace to the uniform Imagine what George S Patton would’ve done to this POS..
In today’s army. Patton would be in the brig with Schiller/
If we follow the Chinese cognitive process (ying/yang; black/white; Tiger/Panda) they considered the release of the Whuan virus as an act of war and following their thinking, America would retaliate with an attack, more than likely a nuclear attack. Also consider their naval build up in the South China Sea during this period of time, that was defensive preparation.
The US Military –
The Greatest Military The World Has Ever KnownThe Worst Lead (And Most Blame Casting) Military The World Has Ever Known.And it costs only $750 Billion per year, more than the next 5 nations on the planet combined!
And look how well they protect our borders from invasion! Every military’s Job Number One!
Again, Miss Milley is not a free agent or a 4th branch of Government. He works for the POTUS, who is the Commander in Chief as written in the Constitution. Its not just that he recieved no such intelligence, it was NOT his job to make the decision as to whether the Chinese should be “reassured” or not.
Any General who respected the chain of Command, would’ve contacted the Secreatry of Defense. or Trump. Frankly, I’m not sure how US Intelligence would know if the Chicoms were “worried”. Nor do I understand what “worried” means. How does a Government express “worry”. And if the Chicoms were truly “worried”, why wouldn’t they express that “Worry” to us?
You need to hand it to Miss Milley, he may be a terrible General, but he’s good at coming up with BS political reasons to do CYA.
The one thing that would utterly undo Milley – and the whole of the Biden administration with him – would be if the Chinese said they were NOT ‘worried’ about a military strike from Trump.
I know everyone is currently obsessed with seeing the hand of the CCP behind the coup against the US, and this may seem an extremely unlikely possibility. However:
Given all these possibilities, perhaps they might, just might, consider blowing the floor out from under the whole rotten edifice of the current administration. It might serve their undoubtedly evil, wicked marxist purposes – and co-incidentally ours too.
Just a thought..
Oh, and don’t forget that most unlikely high level ‘defector’ – what’s the real story behind that?
…aaand just like that the bad FDA report on China Inc. drug makers….goes poof…disappears.
Oh they’re dirty as hell. But unlike the current US admin, they’re not insane. There are far too many anomalies in the idea that they want to turn the biggest consumer of their products into a 3rd-world wasteland. You need healthy customers to prosper as a supplier of goods; you may want to pursue ruthless economic colonisation of Africa and the ME for its raw materials, and Europe in order to neutralise any military resistance to your planned hegemony. But you didn’t get where you are by committing market suicide. If you’re partnered with Russia, you’ll have additional reasons to shape a world you can jointly profit from. And your smaller partners, you’ll bring into line if you possibly can, so that their various insane religious notions don’t end up destabilising your devilish plans..
I am beginning to think the US may have some extremely unlikely (and tbf unwelcome) allies in bringing this madness to an end. Ask yourself – who is less sane (not less moral, just less sane)? The Biden Circus, or Xi and the (truly monstrous) Marxist Gang?
The are all the same. There m ay be some brave rogues still left who take take a few shots but otherwise these are ALL Hitler types in the bunker, who burn it all down if they are going to loose because we do not deserve their leadership.
The only group who may act “sane” are the actual Financial Puppet Masters, as in the words of MOG from Spaceballs….”death just ain’t our thing”.
These are the times that try men’s souls.
It’s a relentless barrage of insanity, each episode maxing out the crazy meter.
The most war weary, war averse, pragmatic, business savvy President of our lifetime – was going to attack China?
Beyond insane.
(BTW, this parallels Sidney Powell’s assertions today that our IC / military / others have been rigging elections for 21 years. She posted her first proofs.)
And if President Trump wanted to bring China more pain – he already hobbled their entire economy – he would simply expand tariffs, increase tariffs, and block key trade goods due to national security.
Does Joe Six Pack care about this??
JSP cares about gas prices, inflation, freedom and the border.
Easy…he was compromised by threats of blackmail or extortion…
Looks like milli-vanilli was canvassing the local Flea Markets over the weekend and picked up a few ribbons to add to his collection.
What … are you doubting his Spanish American War Service Medal???
Milley like all democrats, is a liar, delusional, but a liar non the same. I bet he even fantasizes, that he’s a legend.
“If General Milley was that easily manipulated by the intelligence community, most likely the CIA, it doesn’t speak well for his own judgement and discernment considering he is the chief pentagon advisor to the President.
“If General Milley was willing to be manipulated by the CIA, and act upon intelligence he knew or suspected to be false, well, then he’s a conspirator within a purposeful effort to undermine the Office of the President and U.S. foreign policy.“
So is he easily deceived or is he a deceiver? He may be both:
But evil men and impostors shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.—2 Tim 3:13 ASV
Milley is a traitor but it really doesn’t matter if nobody does anything about it, does it?
Something is very wrong with what Milley has said…about a whole lot of issues. Simply put: Milley is an egotistical brass ass who will lie, cheat, push, kick, and climb his way up the ladder. I do not believe milley.
more likely CCP owns loser Milley’s,
Milley really needs to be fired or at the least charged for treason; that he is still in that position after openly acknowledging he was reporting to a foreign nation without being directed to by the commander in chief, simply makes no sense.
Personally think he should be in solitary confinement in the brig and not the former Marine who simply asked why Milley and others responsible for the surrender to the Taliban are not being held accountable.
I think General Milley should share a bunk at Leavenworth with Bowie Bergdahl. And my real fantasy is that Barack Obama and Joe Biden would share a room down the hall, with the same guards that were on duty when Jeffrey Epstein met his end.
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Something happened to Milley. Sometime 2015-2019. Maybe it was brewing before then. I don’t know what. He seemed to be a competent and committed commander up until he was elevated to Chief by Obama. I would like to know what. He never was super-bright, but not a moron either. A “plugger”. Then he went whole-hog on climate change. And there was that dustup when Trump had falling out with Mattis and picked the least worst choice, I guess, for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Or is it some kind of early onset dementia. Or did he do something stupid that IC is holding over his head. Or did he just fall under the spell of The Won. Or a combination of things.
It would be nice if someone who was directly under his command with the 10th Mountain Division or at Bragg would give some insight.
If ever there was a candidate for compromise, Millicent is it and was chosen for exactly that reason.
If you and I were sitting on a park bench doing nothing, but then you squeeked one out that made me ill, I’d sure want to get up and take retribution somehow.
Profound.
And odorous.
Agree with cause and effect.
Not so sure anyone is pulling any threads.
Someone is probably pulling fingers though.
The country is full of plots by corrupted incompetent people who will keep doing things with the incompetence of the withdrawal and keep covering with more corrupt incompetence.
How do we know Milley ever received any intel?
Sun Tzu: What is this?