I’ll admit to being a little befuddled by the explanation here by South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem. The SD legislature passed a bill to protect women’s sports by banning biological males from participating in biological women’s sports. The bill has overwhelming support in South Dakota; however, Govenor Kristi Noem doesn’t support it.
When asked why she doesn’t support it, Noem seems to say she has received advice and counsel that the law would fail if challenged in federal court. Specifically Noem implies the NCAA would sue South Dakota and she believes the state would lose a lawsuit based on the law. If that is her position, essentially she is attempting to avoid litigation, proactively planning to lose that litigation, on a law supported by the majority in her state. WATCH:
What is your take?
I will just come out and say it straight to everyone here: Kristi Noem fans are uncomfortably reminding me of the Amy Coney Barrett fans that used to be everywhere, even this website, before fading away into the wind after Amy Coney Barrett ended up being just another cowardly RINO and her utter disregard of her constitutional duty to not only hear and address disputes between states but the entire presidential election, itself!
If Kristi Noem was a man and not a woman, would you Kristi Noem fans still defend her this passionately?
So are we to drown Kristi Noem as a proxy for Amy Coney Barrett? That doesn’t seem fair.
Actions speak louder than words. First though- who are these so called “scholars”?
People that study politics.
She was clinging to the “legal scholars”, wasn’t she. Just like the Dems trot out the “science” when supporting their response to their favorite flu bug.
Scholars, Science Experts, etc. are all anonymous sources for the politicians to back their BS claims.
Exactly my question; who are the scholars and the lawyers?
Interesting that Carlson didn’t ask that.
She took a pass on the hard stuff. Trumper in name only. This is a principle idea, let it be heard in the court if it comes to that. Don’t assume anything. They just stole an election the bar is pretty low as is. So they’ve won.
I think the comparison is fair.
It’s time to take a hard look at people in politics
May not be “fair” (whatever that means), but it’s 100% accurate.
Very well put.
Being honest about our appraisals of politicians/judges even after we may have previously adored them is essential in moving forward.
P.S. I tried to warn folks about ACB but was drowned out by the pounding drums of support for her. ?
I had an uneasy feeling about all of the ACB cheerleading as well.
ACB was highly recommended by McConnell. Trump took the bait again!
I am no longer a fan and I have changed my mind on Kristi Noem. I thought her stand on Covid was a a sign of her putting individual rights above political correctness. She being a woman was an asset politically. I was wrong, Kristi Noem no longer has my support.
good point!
Well she didn’t shut down her state. That’s why people like her.
A blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.
Because in SD, her constituents would just tell her to pack sand if she tried to shut things down. You see in COVID the SD residents hold power (they have the guns, big farms, and tax dollars) while in ensuring that a man is treated as a man and a woman is a woman for sports equality sake, well, the money is from others so she has to waffle.
Some amateur psychology: it’s very difficult for people to face such the dire situation we find ourselves in. So what most folks tend to do is grasp at any straw that’s available, and hope against hope that this straw will prove to be different.
To me, there’s no other way to explain the fact that people are simply unwilling to recognize that Noem is carrying out the typical (and not very subtle) machinations of a member in good standing of the eGOP, despite the fact that it’s happening in real time in front of their very eyes.
And despite the fact that on March 8th, which has been branded as “International Women’s Day”, Noem tweeted that she was “celebrating” it by looking forward to signing the bill very soon. Yet in this interview, she claims that she’s been discussing the problems with the bill with legal scholars “for months”.
She and her handlers can’t even keep their own lies straight, yet people still insist on hoping against hope that somehow, through some miracle, this one will be different.
Maga lite is like light beer.
Swill.
Accept no substitutes for full bodied Maga.
Title IX means nothing if you’re unwilling to say biological males that call themselves women are still men. She is strawmanning and making it sound like the argument is over the dissolution of the male/female division in collegiate sports. That’s not the fight. It’s always been about anatomy and the definition of sex and gender being binary and finite.
THANK YOU, MARC!
First of all she is never running for President. One reason only…. at the 18:40 mark , you will get your very telling answer:
https://www.kotatv.com/2021/02/02/exclusive-kota-territory-news-sits-down-for-one-on-one-with-gov-noem/
Second Point… she gave up on this for the colleges – USD and the SDSU (not the one in San Diego) and one large corporation building a warehouse on the outskirts of Sioux Falls SD – Amazon. The Threats from the NCAA and the loss of future jobs flipped her decision. She will is very popular within this state and will easily be re-elected. She has not burned herself politically as much as Senator “Tom Thune” has within the state. Senator Marion Rounds should take heed also.
Not so sure she hasn’t burned herself. She did not make a coherent case – Tucker wasn’t buying it (he looked really ticked off) and neither do I. She’s trying to play both sides – not a good look.
“She did not make a coherent case”
Agree
She had a canned reply at the ready, thinking it ends discussion, but it’s not internally consistent
Follow this one line of reasoning that I’ll lay out here:
Her main claim was that the bill submitted to her by the legislature didn’t sufficiently protect the State from lawsuits, according to her “legal scholars” or “legal experts” or however she described them
Ok, Kristi – then how about you put your oh-so-smart legal experts together with the legislature so they can help them write a bill that’s bulletproof?
Maybe I’m naive and there IS no way to design a bulletproof bill, given the issues at play
Maybe it wasn’t simply a badly written bill, maybe with the issues it’s not possible to write a well-written one that gets the job done
But she seemed to be falling back on this “we’ll get sued with that bill” evasion as an out
I didn’t like it. I didn’t like her tone, I didn’t like her explanation, I didn’t like her reasoning
I thought she came off as evading, a waffler, not straight up
Your analysis is spot on.
She cane across as a parsel tongue weasel.
Once again, just another sleazy politician.
And more so, the crap mandates put out by other Governors don’t pass any legal muster. Yet, I still see businesses shutdown, same places fined, and in some instances people have been jailed. Now, Miss Noem didn’t do this in SD but it has happened. So— this legal muster sounds more like an inside threat from entrenched SJWs.
And Kristi, if legal muster mattered- election fraud would’ve been addressed in court. But it wasn’t.
Another glaring example of laws for thee but not for me. Or some may call it selectively applying Constitutionality when it suits the benefactors.
THIS
We have seen this movie too many times already. Midway through the 20th century an new breed of American politician emerged from the primordial sludge. Prime examples of this creature display the following traits:
We really need to stop electing these people to public office. The best people to elect to public office are those that really would rather not be there. Those folks will tend to get the job done and then get the hell out.
There is a whole lot of rough to look through to find that diamond.
After watching the segment I thought her main argument was that she did not want to go into this battle as a lone state. She wants a coalition of other like minded states with South Dakota on this issue to help mitigate and perhaps avoid the legal avenue that would be pursued by the NCAA
She stood up for $$$, and not God created science.
I disagree with all of the above comments. I have one question for you all. How well did the outright provable fraud fair in our current court system??????
Get a clue!!! The liberals want this to die in the courts just like the election fraud cases. they control the court all the way up to the Supreme Court. Gov. Noem is taking the road less traveled because she wants to win this case! She is a fighter and is standing up for the majority of Americans. Anybody can just sign a bill and say they did something. She has studied the consequences of the bill and understands the current political and judicial mode of operation, as well as the media opposition and has made a informed decision on how best to fight this.
Hurray! Finally we have another fighter. Sorry that’s not what you want, but I certainly do. I put her in the same category as Sidney Powell and The Real President Donald Trump. How easily you all for get how Tucker blows around with the wind saying whatever he is paid to say.
I have not commented here in a few months for the this exact reason. This site has been overrun by people trying to take out our true MAGA politicians. Got to find a new home unfortunately.
Based on what I heard at her press conference I am still leaning that your analysis is correct and she has really thought chess moves to win rather than checkers for show. But I still need someone to dig in and help explain the specifics about the actual legislation she sent back. Explain to me the Ins and outs of title IX and explain the judicial nuances to precedent for allowing transgender men to play in women’s sports.
it is so wrong to me on its face I don’t even know how they are legally allowing men to play in women’s sports in the first place.
Your delusional, this is the hill to fight on
The fact that she didn’t come out verbally and support Trumps fight against the stealing of the election and then went to the fake inauguration of xiben and as a woman I am appalled…
Of course the Supremes won’t support women but WE the people must!
I still have the memory of her at the xiden fake swear in. My wife called Noem a sellout before I did. Women’s intuition wins in my house again.
I have to agree that her going to Biden’s installation ceremony is what made me question her true loyalty to MAGA. That was an easily avoidable error. Absolutely no excuse to put her stamp of approval on the fraudulent President.
This bill on women’s sports is a trickier obstacle for her, but I think she made a big mistake in not supporting it. However, she is still 1000 times better than my rino gov Dewine when it comes to the virus. That doesn’t mean I would support her for POTUS, but I might be open to give her a chance.
That appearance at the fake Inauguration though…
Has anyone asked her WHY she attended the Potatus installation? I would like to hear her answer. Sounds as if she’s hedging her bets for her political “future.” I’d be embarrassed to attend such a travesty. Something is amiss.
I don’t know but the simple to ask/difficult to answer questions never seem to be asked. I’m still waiting to hear someone ask “Who gave the order to stop counting on election night in _______________________ (fill in the state name)?
Exactly the courts are crooked along with the lawfare opposition we would also be fighting.
The only way to fight this is in the pocket book. Namely if the NCAA wants to field a tranny team in the Blue States let them try, good luck with the Advertisers with your low ratings BTW. Meanwhile the Red States will have their own version of the NCAA, one based on male and female sports. We must always keep in mind that our economic power is far stronger than hoping there are still Judges out there that aren’t corrupt to the very cores.
The High Schools and below are slam dunk though to keep Male and Female sports intact as is.
If she continues with this anti-MAGA policy, the only road less traveled for Noem will be to Washington, DC.
Yup, 18:40 will go down in history. Certainly wouldn’t qualify for the MAGA Seal of Approval.
So she should have gone down with the ship and taken women’s sports with her. Then we could have buried them both with honors. Count me as boarding another ship.
Disappointed. She is weaker than I thought. No American female conservative has ever been in the same league as Margaret Thatcher. However, like you, I am among those keeping my eye on Marjorie Taylor Greene.
This is Noem’s “advisor”- any questions?
Mollie Hemingway: “Noem’s chief of staff, Tony Venhuizen, is on the board of the Sioux Falls Chamber of Commerce, another group opposed to protecting women’s sports.”
Source: https://www.siouxfallschamber.com/board-of-directors.cfm
That explains everything. Noem’s getting bad advice from someone with a brutally obvious conflict of interest.
And when I say that it explains everything I mean not just about South Dakota but about everything that’s happened in the republican party for the last 30 years. There’s always a conflict between people who wanna make money and statesmen who want to stand on principle and defend their country. The statesmen are on a very bad, very long losing streak.
This is a Smoking political gun at it’s worst that exposes a conflict of interest over a sane policy.
Also Mollie at her very best as a journalist.
I know who and what she stands for but Tulsi Gabbard has actually shown more backbone than most Republican pols. She was ostracized by her own party for keeping to her principles. Even though I disagree with some of her stands, at least I know that she will stand by those positions. Heck, her dismantling of Ho Harris in the primaries made her worthy……..At the moment, she makes present leadership look pathetic.
be careful with that one….she is lazy and a money whore.
she will dance to any tune for a few bucks.
her political position is about as convoluted as a barrel of monkeys.
she also not very bright.
spent time at Camp Smith, CINCPACFLT…I know what I am talking about.
She couldn’t make it in Hawai’i politics even with a familial line up that nearly guaranteed success.
that speaks volumes about the nature of her capabilities.
she is an 8 ball
there are no hindu’s in samoa. none.
she’s it.
she is an invention ….a character.
the best way to understand “gabbi” is to pay her to make a routine attack on kamala harris.
but here fees are enormous..so have lots of checques….cheap thrills are expensive.
Regitiger, you speak of what you don’t know. “She couldn’t make it in Hawai’i politics even with a familial line up that nearly guaranteed success.”? Her father is a state senator, who started out as a republican. He is a conservative. I know the man. Her mother is hindu, and full blooded samoan. You cannot own land in American Samoa, which they do, unless you have over 50% samoan blood. Tulsi is as hated as you can get in dark blue Hawaii, by the press and the entrenched, corrupt establishment machine there. The Honolulu Advertiser regularly ran hit pieces on her, especially after she went to Syria. I was the guy who picked up the paper for our office every morning and would regularly see the hit pieces on the front page. Tulsi won, in part, because her policies spoke to both the conservative side of Oahu (the western side) and the progressive outer islands. She’s a great model that should be observed and studied because her policies are broad range that reach large swatches of voters, including progressive and conservative friends (in Hawaii). But she’s an invention according to you. Are you a blue anon?
She is a character. She favors gun control and open borders. Just because she butts heads with her Dem counterparts doesn’t make her anything special.
She is a character. You mention her religions, her ethnic composition…as if that matters. Who cares. The left cares…but for me, and many others she’s a leftist tool. She is just not as bad as the others but let me remind you- even a slightly poisoned apple can kill you.
She lost me totally when she appeared to be defending the bomb maker in order to get a blow in on Trump for taking out the terrorist.
there are so many complete and utter falsehoods (or at best mistakes) you make here:
her MOTHER IS NOT A PUJABI! she, like her daughter is a “convert”….and that never happened in samoa either! It happened because they both had fun learning yoga at the local cult in hawai’i. She NEVER expressed any hindu aspirations either (tulsi), until here second marriage, by marrying another hindu convert, who also was a yoga student. Look I have no issues with religious converts. None. But if you notice the religious practice it’s clear that non-punjagi’s who only learn about it in some hot yoga class, makes it less legitimate. It’s 8 ball thinking to suggest otherwise.
about her father: she could not be more different than dad. For one, she never advanced passed enlisted status. That speaks volumes about ambition…she simply could not cut it ….AND I LOVE ENLISTED PEOPLE. Here entire political “career” relied 100 percent on her dad’s coattails too…using the same sponsors and the same message and narrative…which is the standard SOP for political embeciles in Hawai’i, I will remind….the entire structure of politicals in hawai’i is bloodline ….with few exceptions. She is not exceptional.
She is offensive to many military people on some many levels for lots of very wrong minded opinions ….she spent less than a year in country, NEVER saw combat, and was a second rate “medic”. And we expect here to have some insights into foreign policy? She never held a leadership role of any significance…NOT ONE!
She won Hawai’i because she appeals to the polynesia, woman, fake military image that routinely gets the nod in Hawai’i….make no mistake, she rode dad’s coattails to get traction.
On the day of here oath of senate office, she was 4 hours late…4 hours late….held up everything….out playing in the surf…didn’t give a shit on the most important start of her career. How would I know that?
hawai’i democrats and it’s corrupt political machine wrote nasties because she won the seat against one of their own! It’s that simple.
Her progressive and “conservative” ideas are stupid because they were invented…just like her entire image. She, like dad, created an image…and that image changed and shifted to find favor with the changing wind of the political landscape.
lets just cut to the chase….Okay…
Show me a single political ACTION, Bill, or even attempt that Gabi every delivered in the state senate…Show me one? I’ll wait. Show me one single thing she ever did beyond running here trap and how bad the US foreign policy is. ? Show me one thing she did that made Hawai’i secure, safe, and the people more prosperous. Show me. I’ll wait.
I’ll ask you the very same exact question about her performance in DC. I’ll wait.
no, I won’t wait. I already know the answers to every single one of those questions.
Look, identity politics sounds real fun, but this ain’t tv land. I don’t vote because someone has got the looks and speaks just the right tune. It’s about performance …action…results.
She is just one big fat mouthed, know it all, who can get votes from people who only seem to be interested in voting as if this was some popularity contest. And that’s the problem in Hawai’i (and to be fair, just about everywhere else too) they are married to some idea that doing the same thing over and over will somehow get different results.
Ask here dad, when you see him next, who is biggest donor is. If you have the courage.
Ask the same with Gabi…..and not the PAC’s either. I’m talking about the real money..the stuff that buys fancy clothes, exotic vacations and MILLION DOLLAR HOMES IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.
and by the way, I NEVER insinuated she was not samoan..at all.
She is a weirdo….a faked up, two bit, 8 ball, chameleon …a pretender.
Overwhelming support from people and their elected legislature on a social issue where majority will should override threats of economic punishment from the fascist “””educational”” and globalist business pressure groups. The people aren’t stupid and know the consequences and are willing to accept the consequences.
These “inexplicable” actions from Republicans ALWAYS go in one direction and always grow over time.
Just another Rhino in the bunch, wine and dine Trump supporters only to turn around and stab us in the back with our dinner knife. Sad, I really liked her, not any more.
I was not well received here when I criticized her speech at CPAC as being nothing more than the run of the mill RINO speech. She never once mentioned MAGA or Trump. She is basically, IMO, a Niki Haley in drag.
100% agree! Her CPAC speech was RINO, typical Pence-type political tone, same ol’, same ol’ wimpy ass speech. Sick. No backbone or passion in it whatsoever.
I have heard this excuse about not signing bills because it would only go be lost in a court battle for over 40 years now, maybe longer.
And it was almost always said by a Republican governor.
Decades ago when we had finally elected what we thought was a tough solid R governor and had a Republican legislature in some states that I lived, and we were finally able to get some conservative bill through then the governor would refuse to sign them.
The excuse was ALWAYS the same that they would be challenged in court and the governor did not want to go through that because the governor did not want the state to have to spend money on a long drawn out legal battle. ( always thoughtful guys not wanting to waste our money)
So many of us back then thought that sounded reasonable and hoped that the bill would be reworked and sent back to the governor.
Of course we never heard anything about it again.
Year after year after year we would see bills pass and then the governor would have this very reasonable sounding excuse of not wanting to spend the taxpayer money on a lawsuit or waste time.
We soon started to notice that liberals ( the other side) had no such problem and would send outrageous unconstitutional bills to the governors.
If the governor did not sign for one reason or another these liberals had NO problem suing the State for years or decades or as long as it took.
But our side always had this reason about it being challenged in the court so it was not worth the trouble or the money or the effort.
That is why our side lost so much in the last 40 years.
We never even fight.
Noem needs new advisors or she needs to get back on her horse and ride into the sunset.
Our side needs tough, never-give-an-inch fighters now.
The SD legislature passed a bill to protect women’s sports by banning biological males from participating in biological women’s sports….
My cat would have expected “Some” litigation… some push back.
Duh.
Why would the ncaa have standing?
Because some judge will say so.
So let some judge say so.
That is the best “Shield” for Da Guv.
I went to the mat for you South Dakota!!
Aren’t there State Attorney’s whose salary is paid for by the citizens of South Dakota?
This isn’t rocket science.
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That’s it!!!
It doesn’t matter what you tuck in – or pinch- or cut off – or sew on….
BIOLOGICAL…
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Not PREFERENCE
How can BIOLOGICAL be misunderstood?
It can’t- hence they don’t want this argued in court, the progressives lose on this one. They know it so they use “money” and coercion to get weak-kneed politicos to fold.
You are so right offcoursenation.
There seems to be a judge somewhere now days that will say anything a liberal wants them too.
It doesn’t mean our side should give up without a fight.
Who is providing her legal advice? Nifong? Mosby? Holder?
“I will be MAGA, except when I’m not MAGA. Are we clear?” She’s toast.
Her is what she is REALLY saying:
yes, the NCAA could sue this state, turn it this issue into a political football, and that would risk MY POLITICAL CAREER.
I took a calculation that the corrupt swamp would likely go after my seat and other official position by creating tension, manufacturing lies AND EXPOSING some corruption that I or people within my political sphere AND supporters might not like to be examined.
I am a coward.
I would rather ROLL OVER in an obvious threat from the NCAA (and it’s china financiers), to continue my political career that take them on and get the fight going and win.
this is cowardice.
She will not say this things. She will narrate around these realities.
but that is really the truth.
She is motivated to retain her OWN political power and all the riches that come from it, than risk going head on and confronting the legal battles, the nasty attacks, the manufactured hit pieces, and the set ups and framworks.
you see, she just got the memo: Noem, you will not sign this, or your political career and everyone you care about will be leveled. Your supporters and sponsors will respond to a different agenda, because the adversary has more financial power.
She is a coward.
What she needs to do, is start townhall meetings every single day, go town to town, tell the truth..
and then sign this bill.
get the people informed about what this is really about.
She should consult with President Trump!
Get him to endorse her and get him to rally for this cause.
If Nebraska can lead the way, other will follow.
this issue cuts across many political brands.
being afraid of losing power because the swamp is using another manufactured tactic to steal your true power, is no longer an option.
it’s knives out time.
RINO “Weak Sauce” in a skirt! Noem thought she could just cruise down the river and come up smelling like roses come 2024! Noem is cooked and done, put a fork in her.
This has become like Ten Little Indians. At this rate soon there will be none.
That is already possible. Remember what Schumer said … Six ways to Sunday.
The John Kerry impersonation is, shall we say, “troubling”. She was basically for it before she was against it.
I am with Tucker on this one. The eye-pleasing governor was not making any sense. How is she going to build a coalition of states to oppose NCAA bullying, when, on behalf of her state, she preemptively surrenders to NCAA bullying? What’s her sales pitch? “hey, you guys let’s all get together and not pass legislation that offends the NCAA so that we can oppose NCAA bullying?”
As a woman, I have followed this issue closely as the CT track and TX wrestling events angered me. Girls were FORCED to compete against physically superior MALES and LOST. In the TX case I believe one girl was injured after wresting the “girl” (biological boy past puberty).
I thought this would be a slam dunk for SD AND a woman Gov–how wrong I was in that regard! Noem was a trainwreck on Tucker. She kept repeating the same nonsense over and over which basically boiled down to something about the NCAA that was never actually clear. If she has truely been “consulting” then all she had to do is look to TN who just passed a Bill that bans Transgenders from competing as another sex. If you were born a boy, you can not compete in a girls sport. Period
Our MALE Gov is going to sign it. Every major Corp located in TN has lobbied HARD against this Bill (Amazon, Nissan, etc) but our Leg and Gov have stood firm. There was not one word or thought about the NCAA because our GIRLS are more important than a bunch of Corps or Sports Org.
She was clearly influenced heavily by someone or some groups (RINOs/COC types) and is going to be VERY damaged politically by it. She better repair this with her State or she wont even make Senator let alone EVER be considered for a Pres/VP position.
“Every major Corp located in TN has lobbied HARD against this Bill (Amazon, Nissan, etc)”
The key operative words there being “major Corp”.
The $$$ behind major Corp far exceeds that of millions of us “John Q. Public” voters able to contribute “campaign contributions” (aka legalized bribes) to our elected representatives that are supposed to be representing US.
sundance, I think it’s time for you to consider putting together a fine analysis of the NCAA….
I don’t believe many people are aware how incredibly corrupt this china financed sports syndicate really is.
just a suggestion for new material!
Something tells me it is as bad as USA gymnastics!
Governor DeSantis had a very good night, thanks to Tucker.
So did the Dems.
I was very impressed with Gov. Noem until she had an “interview” with Margaret Brennan of “Face the Nation” in February.
Brennan took aggressive control of the interview from the start as she usually does and Gov. Noem was unable to adequately defend her COVID policies. She accepted every one of Brennan’s framed narratives and never produced a strong convincing argument except to say she did better than Cuomo etc. It was then, I realized that the corrupt media would crush her in a Presidential campaign.
Her latest decision to fold early and not fight to the end for the rights of her own gender in sports and instead surrenders them to a small minority of self entitled transgender men probably ends her chances of having a viable POTUS run.
I am more than a little confused. Seriously.
First off, for the record, my opinion/belief is that transgender females (born male) should not be allowed to play girls sports – juniors, rec league, high school, college, professional, etc.
Second, I have not read the bill passed by the SD legislature. I am also not a lawyer, so I don’t know that I would be able to determine what’s “wrong” with it, even if I had read it.
Third, I like Gov. Noem, and I have also heard Sundance (and others) express negative opinions about her, specifically with respect to her running for President sometime in the future (2024 or beyond). And, I have heard many opinion-makers (on the right – Mollie Hemingway, Jack Posobiec, et al) make sweeping, negative comments about Gov. Noem and this legislation, and her “not signing it” (she says on this episode with Tucker “she did not veto it”).
But, I have not heard anyone specifically state what is wrong with her response to the legislature (style and something-or-another – please change some words). Are her proposed changes going to weaken the legislation, or just limit it to K-12 (under 18 sports) so as not to pick a fight with the NCAA? That is what I heard her say in the Tucker interview. Is she lying? If so, how come nobody will point out the specific wording that is faulty?
There are a lot of the “right people” against her. I am tempted to believe them. But where are the specifics? Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Another Mike H
No I cannot help you. I an on the edge of being unable to help myself. I thought Noem was a “good” person. Now she is kneeling (just like everyone else in “sports” these daze). Money, money, money. MONEY. Or the song MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO Round. Damn, Noem is another one who JUST BIT THE DUST.
Anyone left out there who is NOT beholden to MONEY?
i hear you loud and clear, retiredIG. ?
but i think i finally got it….
99% of politicians are in it for the $.
99% of the people around politicians are after something from the politician which will bring them $.
99% of the people who are providing the $ to politicians and those around them are in it to get even more $ for themselves.
once everybody’s been paid, the politicians solicit voters for contributions to stop/support whatever has already been purchased.
is that about right?
Margot Cleveland’s column critiques Noem’s position in detail
Bowing To Corporate, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports (thefederalist.com)
Given the reality of the NCAA’s policy, Noem’s proffered explanation for excluding women collegiate athletes from the protections of H.B. 1217—that “competing on the national stage means compliance with the national governing bodies”—is beyond misleading. So too is the governor’s that the changes proposed go only to “STYLE and FORM,” when in fact, striking Section 4 from the bill, eliminates any teeth to the protections elementary and secondary female athletes have by removing the right for girls to sue to vindicate their rights.
East,
thanks for the pointer. I just read that Federalist article, and while it explains what Gov. Noem is proposing (remove language re: annual verification, and remove portion pertaining to college athletes/athletics), there is nothing in there to support the anti-Noem hysteria I am hearing: e.g. “she is a sellout to corporate interests”, or “she is just in it for the money”, etc. And, in the article, when referring to one of Noem’s portions (annual verification of age, biological sex, no PEDs, etc., which the Gov. also mentioned in the Tucker article), Ms. Cleveland attacks Gov. Noem’s “rationale” (too much administrative burden) as being “suspect”. Why?
I get it – when someone has a history of using “weasel words”, and trying hard to obfuscate their real motives, then they deserve to be challenged; but we seem to be very willing to withhold “the benefit of the doubt” when we don’t like someone, or someone’s position, or worse, when a crowd has already started attacking a person or their argument.
Why so much pejorative ad hominem attacks (“bowing to corporate interests”, or “it’s all about the money”)?
Why so little fact-based discussion, and good-faith “give and take”?
Sigh.
Understand the political technique…:
Kristi will now start talking like she never did that and she’ll rail against men with psychiatric cross dressing problems being allowed to compete against women.
If the young men of the USA want to stop this rubbish, all they have to do is put on a dress, beat women in every Olympic qualifying time or team except synchronised swimming and thus ensure there are no biological women in the next US Olympic team.
Sounds like an excellent new nationwide college fraternity….. beat women at everything, get a trip to booze on at the Olympics.
Problem fixed……. forever. The politicians who enforce this nonsense then wouldn’t be able to back peddle fast enough.
Devious
I like it
It’s pure Alinsky…..
Make them live up to their own rules.
Any conservative who hasn’t read “Rules for Radicals”is but an innocent lamb at the bar b que.
maybe Noem is just corrupt…as some have noted, her staff seems to have financial reasons not to support this bill.
maybe it’s time that voters in her state get better information, like this:
https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/post/idaho-exports-transgender-athlete-legislation-montana#stream/0
or that Mississippi successfully passed a trans ban!
Montana!
Idaho !
Tennessee!
Arkansas!
Florida!
and soon, Louisiana!
https://www.newsweek.com/transgender-athletes-banned-sports-these-us-states-1575659
And this article says that 25 states have, or are considering, a ban on allowing transgenders from competing in women’s sports.
Well Governor Noem, there’s the coalition you say you are looking for to fight this–Why don’t you join with them? That is more than enough states to form their own league outside of the NCAA.
If NCAA sues and wins in Federal court, stand and refute the Fed’s ruling by ignoring it–States rights and also Title IX also come into play.
A few more states on that list and the NCAA would never ban the teams of all of those states. Better yet: let all such states form their own sports organization.
Perzactly!
Tucker should invest his energy on how the election was robbed by CoC, DoD, CIA, FBI, DoJ, Dominium, NYR, Amazon, Facebook, YouTube, Google. By tearing down a good Republican contender he is like Ann Coulter.
Ann who? (ha ha)
I know, I know, no point in talking about it….. but living in a binary political world you won’t accept that much ( not all) of Ann’s critique is accurate….but that doesn’t matter, does it. She got pi***d off when her hero trod water when he didn’t have to and she threw a wee tantrum. It happens.
“Tucker should invest his energy on how the election was robbed by yada yada”
Sounds like you haven’t been watching his show the past 6 months, that’s a large chunk of what he’s been doing over that period
He’s not “tearing down a good Republican contender”, he’s pressing her on “this is a common-sense issue with huge support among the public, why can’t you make it happen in your state?”
We got in the situation we are in because we failed to hold the politicians feet to the fire. If they are legitimately who they say they are then they can withstand Tucker’s questions. Why would we condemn him for questioning, seeking to prove or disprove someone’s position when we rightly condemn the mainstream media for their utter failure to do so?
So if I heard this correctly, Noem is fine with a female athelete suing everyone on a sports team that denied her a spot due to a male taking her place, but doesn’t want the state to take on that similar burden? WTH?
One thing is for sure, if you’re afraid of losing in court despite being on the right side of the issue, you will definately lose the fight anyway.
Breaks my heart, but the bloom is off the Noem rose. ?
To be honest, I didn’t really understand all of the dynamics of the bill that Noem spoke of. But what struck me about this interview with her attitude. She was very defensive. And that is what makes me suspicious of her motives. I also watched an interview from a link posted in one of the comments. It was very sad to find that she is not a Trump Republican. In fact, I don’t think she gets him at all. Which says to me, she doesn’t get us either.
Don’t forget the credit card companies! https://www.marketplace.org/2009/03/25/sioux-falls-town-credit-built/
I actually watched her press conference this morning where she articulated her stance to be one that bears the benefit of the doubt. The NCAA is the one who makes the rules and being a separate entity holds the power. If she were to sign the bill ‘as is’ the NCAA could sue S Dakota and prohibit it’s women from competing in NCAA competitions as well as prohibit S Dakota from hosting NCAA events. Allowing that to happen would severely fracture women’s sports in S Dakota. How would that help the women in sports in her state then? She doesn’t agree that men posing as women should play with the women. She believes biology should determine what team you play on. She’s trying to ensure women in S Dakota have the opportunity to play in college. Sometimes a deal with the devil has to be made for the greater good.
My question to that would be: should you send girls from your state to compete in NCAA events against biological males from other states?
Seems to me that this issue is going to end up in the courts anyway, so why not enjoin the battle sooner rather than later?
Road to hell paved with deals with devil for ‘greater good’
The correct path is to turn the ‘follow the money’ tables on the NCAA. This is exactly what banding together States that haven’t gone completely insane will achieve. No court can stop it.
Follow the money
What is your take?
I think she’s being sincere. It is a mistake to pass a law that will not win in court.
For decades years in utter frustration I have watched non-lawyer advocates push laws that have unintended consequences or which will fail in court. The politicians pass these either because they are ignorant or because they are pandering to their constituents. Anti-abortion laws are a biggie here, but there are many others. I have sat on multiple bar legislative committees reviewing proposed laws for this reason. Lawyers will go after loopholes and weaknesses, however strained, and judges, frankly, are often political creatures themselves and not too bright (they either seek election, i.e. politicians, or get appointed because of their networking not because they are brilliant lawyers.) Litigation itself is often a crapshoot, and it’s time-consuming and ecpensive. Worse, a bad decision — bad judge or less than great lawyering — can stand as precedent.
I often advocate for careful “step” corrections rather than sweeping bills. This may not satisfy activists, but it builds a stronger foundation.
I have not studied this particular bill and so I don’t know what changes, approach or strategy I would advocate regarding it (and depending, I may or may not be inclined to publicly publish my advice.) But assuming that the legal advice that she has been given is sound, then it seems to me that Gov. Noem is showing remarkable conviction and courage. I will look at the bill and see if I can follow up by the weekend.
Quite disheartening to see the Governor try to peddle this sell-out decision as a positive one for her state.
I agree with Sundance, why would you plan on losing a court case before ever even facing one? She’s somewhat blaming all this on her consultants and advisors, but the obvious optics are that she’s completely caved to the NCAA and big business bully Amazon.
Good luck trying to sell this turd as a ‘win’ for your female constituents, Governor.
I will add to my comment above that “gender” law is not as black-white or concrete as some folks think. There are a small percentage of people with chromosomal anomalies. Get the law wrong, fail to appropriately legislate so that they are not discriminated against, and the entire issue could be screwed up for good.
Two words: Corey Lewandowski.
https://www.southdacola.com/blog/2021/03/what-is-corey-lewandowski-prepping-noem-for/
I just read Margot Cleveland’s column. This is actually far worse than it appeared on Tucker. Noem is gutting the legislation. Not only is she insisting that the law not apply to collegiate sports, she is also cutting out the civil remedy for girls in High School. So there’s no remedy if the law is violated.
Moreover, the threat of litigation from the NCAA appears to be grossly overblown and exaggerated. This is a real betrayal and there is no excuse for it. https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/22/bowing-to-corporate-demands-for-watered-down-bill-gov-kristi-noem-sells-out-womens-sports/
Cross Kristi Noem off the list of people with a viable political future.
I listened to governor Noem’s press conference on the war room. She did a better job of explaining.
pit seems she believes if this legislation passes as written it will not achieve the goals we all want which is girls play girls sports and men play men’s plus it will invite litigation and adds burdens on citizens to prove their gender every year over and over again.
I think what she wants is to create language that somehow utilizes title nine laws already on the books against the NCAA and other woke organizations from effectively stopping the new law through litigation. Plus close the loopholes.
I don’t know what to believe for sure but I’m still giving the governor the benefit of the doubt that she isn’t saying all of this because the lawyers or the NCAA has gotten her to compromise her principles.
I need to hear more. Hopefully Sundance or someone at red state or townhall or American thinker or breitbart can do the digging I need to explain what governor Noem can’t seem to put into laymen’s terms for me.
It was published today that Gov. Noem, in her actions to rewrite part of the Bill before sending it back to the state legislature, utilized a form that is designated for the purpose of making very minor changes, like corrections of grammar and punctuation on Bills sent to her by the legislature.
The point that grabbed my attention is that the form the Governor used – some are saying “incorrectly” – allows the legislature to pass her restructured language of the legislation with a simple majority.
If it is the case that passage of the reworded legislation would have required a larger majority if her changes had been recorded on the standard designated form, an important question seems to have been overlooked in this discussion.
At this hour of the morning, after having skimmed through the newsworthy emails that came in throughout the day, I wasn’t able to locate the piece where I read about this SD situation. But the matter of her choosing to make “corrections” to the Bill on a government form that is designated as a spell-check type of document struck me as odd.
And P.S. further to my promise, above, I have pulled the text of the bill and IT DOES NOT do what it’s being touted as doing, promote “fairness for women”. It’s an invitation to litigation. Any legislation that is to be passed if is to be legally unassailable is going to have to address chromosomal anomalies and disabilities, as well as errors on birth certificates. Has to define — however distasteful this is — the meaning of “male” and “female” for purposes of the statute. Because “plaintiffs” will be found whose birth certificates indeed were wrong (e.g. chimeras, intersex, AIS, etc.) and that’s going to beg for some judge to resolve the litigation, define the terms himself, and write the law in a bad way.
Thanks for your further research into this.
She’s acting strategically instead of ranting impotently like Tucker and all the other half wit pundits. Noem may be more RINO than Elephant, but on this, she’s showing she’s a good deal smarter and more principled than the legies. Tuckers interview was disrespectful and a thinly veiled and ineffective attempted hatchet job. Unless,as I suspect, he was lying about having read the bill and proposed revisions, he could’ve asked substantive questions about its provisions instead of acting like a progzi parody of himself. Hopefully it was bad research and some back room hack will get the axe.
After watching Georgia governor Kemp, Lt gov Duncan & SoS Raffensperger destroy their political careers, it’s unfortunate but, not unexpected to watch another “conservative” politician flush their career down the toilet.
My wife suggested perhaps Noems concerns about being sued were legitimate. I politely disagreed, stating it’s interesting how she changed her tune once big money threatened her state. I further suggested if Noem is worried about a potential legal fight then add to the bill a requirement for anyone wanting to sue they must first post a $50,000,000 bond. The bond requirement may not be legal but give it a try.
Dal,
you mention above that Gov. Noem was “threatened” by big money (leaving) her state. Can you please point me to this source/reference, as I have been unable to corroborate?
Thanks, Another Mike H
This is a sticky situation and her stance seems to stem from a legal standpoint not an ideological one. What is frustratingly infuriating regarding the issue of trandsgender men competing in women sports is the fact no one wants to raise the equivalent obvious question as to why doesn’t transgender women compete in Men’s sports? Oh I know, because they know they can’t. So even though Noem may have a point on the legal grounds regarding the overreach that the NCAA has in regards to this issue, I think she maybe be trying to make it a national issue by creating a coalition where more states join in and offer more broader support to defend women’s sports.
As far the criticisms regarding Noem’s decision on this specific bill, I am not willing to label her as someone who is pandering or acquiescing to special interests or for that matter caving on the issue altogether, but someone who is trying to make the right the decision. I am willing to wait and see how this develops going forward before I start writing off Noem as another “Icky Niki” that should be castigated to the RINO club.
I watched her presser, it didn’t seem that she was running away from the issue but trying to be transparent as to why she didn’t want to sign this bill as she stated previously that she did not veto the bill but sent it back to be revised.
I wish to add one more comment. When Georgia passed one of the toughest right to life laws in the country, (which is another topic for another day), every corporation threatened to leave the state. The result??? More movies & TV programs are being made than ever. Amazon??? They built a massive distribution center and cannot find enough help. Noem should have called their bluff. She did not and more than likely her political career is toast.
And the increase in the white woke liberals moving into those areas has turned many of them blue. But keep welcoming your enemies into the states in the guise of economic development…
If Noem is going to give that sort of answer on a news channel and then asked to explain further, then she needs to get in the weeds. Otherwise, she comes off as dishonest and evasive.
I read her explanation in her tweet the other day the proposed changes. Tweets 7-10, regarding performance enhancing drugs, made sense because it appears to be open schools up for litigation as it stands. If the goal is to close that door, then it is reasonable. But her explanation on Tucker sounded suspect. I also like the idea of creating a coalition of states. That will be needed for much more than just this issue. It will be needed for voting and 2nd amendment policies moving forward. A coalition that can impose state nullification is definitely a missing piece to our presently wobbly Constitutional framework. We need the friction and maybe she will help usher the way in that regard.
This is a huge tell.
When you’ve seen it you can’t go back with Kristi.
Just like the day the Republican US Senate to a man and woman couldn’t find ONE Senator whose vote would allow PDJT vital, essential recess appointment powers.
From that day on you knew, despite the rhetoric and pretence, the UniParty owned the Senate.
That is the EXACT excuse used by that OK governor – Mary something or other. She campaigned on being hard core anti abortion, won the office, the legislature SENT HER A BILL and the witch REFUSED TO SIGN IT claiming that she was advised that it would not hold up in court.
Her JOB is to SIGN THE DAMNED LEGISLATION. That is what the PEOPLE of her state WANT – yet she makes EXCUSES? She REFUSES to do the will of the PEOPLE of her state? What a complete lying filthy WITCH.
I thought the issue was female sports and males participating in female sports?
When did it become about women college sports and NCAA?
It was a very odd interview? ?
HOW TO FIX THE GIRLS’ SPORTS LAWS:
For purposes of this statute, the term “sex” shall refer solely to the categorization of an individual as “female” or “male”. In addition, for purposes of this statute, and notwithstanding any other definition in any other law, rule, social convention, formal or informal use, including without limitation, any other professed “gender” or “identity”, the following definitions of “female” and “male” shall apply:
“Female” (sometimes referred to as “girl” or “woman”) shall mean:
(a) An individual who was determined at birth to be a female, as reflected on the individual’s birth certificate, and since then consistently has or has been identified as female; or
(b) An individual who was not determined at birth to be female because of ambiguous sex, intersex condition, chromosomal anomaly, or any other physical genetic or biological condition present at birth, but prior to the individual’s attaining puberty [or the age of 12], the individual’s birth certificate was changed to reflect the individual as being female, and since then the individual consistently has or has been identified as female; or
(c) An individual whose chromosomes are all or mostly all XX.
“Male” (sometimes referred to as “boy” or “man”) shall mean:
(a) All individuals who are not defined hereinabove as “female”.
[Educational statutes with the above also should provide (1) procedures for assuring strict medical privacy in making the above determinations, as well as (2) for reasonable accomodations to be made — upon request — for any individual student who has physical disabilities or anomalies, or for other good cause shown, requests access to private lockerroom changing, showering, and restroom facilities.]
Nonsense.
The occurrence of GENUINE sexual chromosome disfunction is about as rare as being struck by lightning, it happens but it isn’t a paradigm for society, that anyone who wasn’t a rabid political activist would use.
Note well: doing hormone therapy and cutting of your boy bits doesn’t make you a woman…it makes you a psychiatric patient to the professionals and a sad joke to the populace, who wish you well but can’t go along with the scam because it is utterly dishonest. They won’t lie for your benefit.
Sorry.
Caving isn’t a good look! “Woman” is a definite human being. We are smaller, but we love to play sports against those who are women! What the hell is going on? There is no argument here! My daughter competed in year-round swim team and did very well against girls her age in breast stroke and butterfly all through her elementary and middle school and high school years. It made her strong in other areas of her life. It was a wonderful thing for her to be involved in a team and individual sport such as swim. They are stealing this experience from women now. Why? And why would any female governor not be on the side of women and girls? This is the hill to die on because otherwise you can kiss women’s sports goodbye! This is the civil rights issue of our time. Stand up, Governor Noem. If not now, when?
I do not understand why any parents would not be on the side of women and girl’s rights to compete fairly. Basically, I don’t understand anyone supporting this even the mentally screwed up people who are “trans.” Why would you get any satisfaction from winning something you shouldn’t compete in? It would be like an adult winning a child’s contest.
It truly sickens me. Thank you for your reply, Menagerie. The world is so screwed up — up is down, down is up. “Believe all women” to men competing in women’s sports. It’s enough to exhaust us all, and that is their evil goal.
NCAA Regulations on “TransAthletes” is as follows:
The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), which organizes competition in 23 sports at over 1,000 colleges and universities, does not require gender confirming surgery or legal recognition of a player’s transitioned sex in order for transgender players to participate on a team which matches their identity. However, things become a bit more complicated when hormones are used. The recommended NCAA policy requires one year of hormone treatment as a condition prior to competing on a female team. Conversely, athletes assigned female at birth remain eligible to compete in women’s sports unless or until that athlete begins a physical transition using hormones (testosterone).
NCAA Policy on Transgender Student-Athlete Participation
The following policies clarify participation of transgender student-athletes undergoing hormonal treatment for gender transition:
1. A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who has received a medical exception for treatment with testosterone for diagnosed Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for purposes of NCAA competition may compete on a men’s team, but is no longer eligible to compete on a women’s team without changing that team status to a mixed team.
2. A trans female (MTF) student-athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression treatment.
Any transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatment related to gender transition may participate in sex-separated sports activities in accordance with his or her assigned birth gender.
• A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who is not taking testosterone related to gender transition may participate on a men’s or women’s team.
• A trans female (MTF) transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatments related to gender transition may not compete on a women’s team.
DOWNLOAD: Transgender policy (2011)
I don’t see that much potential conflict with the NCAA. Most male-to-female transgenders either take estrogen, or male hormone blockers in high school or earlier. NCAA has no jurisdiction over high school and junior high athletic competition, so a bill concerning that level of sports should be allowed to go forward.
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Hormone treatments do not correct for males’ greater lung capacity, fast-twitch muscle capaciy, bigger bones, bigger lungs, greater size.
Restricting the law to high school and below still leaves the door open to lawsuits about access to college scholarships and team participation.
Bigger heart muscle, too.
Instead of actually doing anything on this issue, she’s going to form a “coalition” to basically fundraise off of this issue and not do anything. Just another RINO. Her answers and excuses on Tucker’s show were misleading at best.
The company you keep…
What is her relationship with Sen. Thune?
In 2010 when running for congress Noam and Thune did a bus tour together.
How much influence does he have?
She shot down President Trump’s suggestion to run for senate against Thune.
?
Thune is a big never-Trump RINO. You are judged by the company you keep!