Why would any foreign actor go through all the trouble to rob a bank and yet take nothing?…
This is the metaphor for U.S. officials noticing the backdoor to our national cyber-network was found wide open, and yet not a single organization attached to the SolarWind’s Orion network points to any negative impact other than the existence itself of the originating malware. It just doesn’t add up.
Keep in mind… this “malware” has been in place since May and only recently identified.
DNI John Ratcliffe announced there was “foreign interference” in the election, and while citing Russia, China and Iran the DNI said the report on election security would be delayed. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo points to Russia as the source of the SolarWinds’ intrusion; but there is no specific evidence outlined. Today, following a briefing on the issues President Trump noted it could be Russia, but it could also be China.
There seems to be a coordinated effort to blame Russia by government officials and a host of media groups. Russia is a favored scapegoat, and given how the media falsely blamed Russia for 2016 election interference/collusion, corporate media carry a self-interest in perpetrating that narrative.
Any suggestion it was *not* Russia is then used to weaponize a Russia-apologist narrative. However, considering most of our institutions have a financial relationship with China, the self-serving hypocrisy of China-apologists carries a particularly deafening tone.
Accepting that no-one really knows, yet, who originated this intrusion, here is a Big Picture notation from the Rebel Alliance:
Due to the widespread use of SolarWinds and the length of time the SolarWinds vulnerability was possibly exploited, this attack could be the full-on equivalent of Pearl Harbor, except in a global scale.
In defending networks, very good cyber defense teams (eg, as with large financial firms and some portions of the US gov), have a good chance of success, primarily through use of extensive measures aimed at prevention and/or early detection.
But, when an attacker gets inside a network for an extended period of time, they typically focus first on becoming “rooted” (ie, they implement numerous alternate backdoors and cleverly hide malware throughout the network such that attacker access may be restored even after detection and cleanup).
Once rooted, an attacker is often extremely difficult to fully remove from the victim’s network, even if the victim completely replaces all hardware and rebuilds his entire network from scratch.
Most less capable victims, and there were potentially hundreds or thousand of direct and indirect victims in this attack, do not even have the capability to rebuild their networks and, hence, have little hope of ever completely eliminating the attacker.
Attackers are not solely interested in removing information in bulk. When large amounts of information are unexpectedly seen leaving a network, this often flags an attack in progress. So, slower and more careful movement through the network is typically seen by highly skilled attackers.
Attacker motivations are highly varied. In government networks, the attacker may wish to spy to learn about foreign agents, for example.
In a commercial network, there are many opportunities for financial gain (eg, knowledge of pending business deals). Some attackers may also wish to implement a longer term ability to physically or logically destroy the victim’s network.
Restoring a destroyed network in a large enterprise is amazingly complex. Many organizations, even those having backup data, could not do it. Even if skilled enough to rebuild, the lost time can potentially destroy the enterprise. If hundreds of firms were destroyed simultaneously, the economic impact could be crippling.
America must now confront the reality that most of its corporate network infrastructure could be entirely at the mercy of a foreign power AND that this situation is unlikely to be reversed anytime soon. This is a blow potentially as powerfully impactful as Covid-19.
I am NOT convinced this attack was perpetrated by Russia, as is being preliminarily alleged, due to the difficulty of reliable attribution. Hardly any evidence has been provided and attribution is notoriously difficult.
The evidence should be collected, the extent of the attack [in terms of the actual versus potential] use of the SolarWinds backdoor to invade Gov networks and US corporations should be determined. It must also be assessed whether the SolarWinds attack facilitated interference in the election.
Critically, it must be determined whether “nuclear worms”, capable of physical or logical network destruction, were implanted anywhere and which are now silently waiting for a signal to activate.
(Personally, if I were an IT manager, I’d be VERY worried for the safety of my Active Directory right now, since sabotage of AD is relatively easy and recovery can be extremely difficult and sometimes impossible, depending on the implementation.)
If this attack is limited to just gov networks and does not include major corporations, the election, or nuclear worms, the gov networks should be cleaned up and an appropriate response delivered to the attacker via our Cyber Defense force.
If the attack included the gov networks and election, interference, the same gov network cleanup is needed. However, the response must be more severe, and I would think should include some level of physical destruction.
If, however, the attack spread additionally to most of the Fortune 500 networks and/or includes nuclear worms, a massive gov initiative to facilitate a cleanup of corporate systems is needed.
After the initial triage, activation of plans for a kinetic response to such an attack must be considered. Eg, if the attack was attributed to China, we must respond forcefully and the response must fully respond to Chinese perceptions of US psychology. So, if China perceives the US a paper tiger, the appropriate response my be to take control of the Three Gorges Dam and open its valves.
In my view, this attack *requires* a FORCEFUL response, not necessarily limited to a cyber delivered response. The attacker must pay a high price based upon scope and severity. To do nothing projects unacceptable weakness. And the thought that US corporate infrastructure might be taken out at will, possibly through nuclear worms, possibly through more direct individualized attacks, is just unacceptable.
Regardless of the response, this attack should be taken as a wakeup call to the country. The risk of a destructive attack could be far higher than previously acknowledged.
I hope this summary is helpful to you in helping others understand the significance of this.
” Russia is a favored scapegoat”
Just as Jews were for the Nazis and Snowball was in ‘Animal Farm’. All the same show just under a different tent.
Come on man! China is our friend. Look how nice they have been to my favorite son, Hunter.
So Trump’s tweet is downplaying this, compared with the media
Waitasec… so let me try to understand this. In 2018, we passed a law that set up the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), National Risk Management Center (NRMC).
According to its webpage “The National Risk Management Center (NRMC) is housed within the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA). NRMC is a planning, analysis, and collaboration center working to identify and address the most significant risks to our nation’s critical infrastructure.
NRMC works in close coordination with the private sector and other key stakeholders in the critical infrastructure community to: Identify; Analyze; Prioritize; and Manage the most strategic risks to our National Critical Functions—the functions of government and the private sector so vital to the United States that their disruption, corruption, or dysfunction would have a debilitating impact on security, national economic security, national public health or safety, or any combination.”
https://www.cisa.gov/about-cisa
And this thing got going over the past two years… the NRMC only first implementing its “logo” in April 2020.
And then… surprise, there’s a massive infiltration in May 2020. Undetected.
And our elections are secure, et cetera. (See CISA website).
Strange coincidence.
There are NO coincidences in politics.
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Parallel construction of a viable alternative to this agency — though not publicized — in order to both bait this intrusion, and maintain operations, is my running bet, all done by a VSGPDJT.
There’s a possibility that President Xi is in on PDJT’s sting operation. It would be hilarious if it were true.
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I have had that thought, also.
In my estimation, God Has An Ironic Sense of Humor, and such an arrangement would be poetic justice . . .
There are moles/traitors inside
Like Krebs
Has anyone considered contacting any random 14 year old and asking them to get to the bottom of this?
Best post of the day
Why a child of 5 could figure this out. Someone go fetch a child of 5 (to explain it to our “Intelligence Community”.
Mini AOC might get thru to them.
Assange and Snowden can help
Oh yay, look what happened while our gov was preoccupied with spying on private citizens & concocting BS to try & take down Trump…
I recall warning my family members about participating in any of the DNA collection companies. But, <head smack!> a few of them sent off their “samples” to 23&Me! I’m like, WHAT???!!!!!! Then, I just shut up.
I did too. And they thought I was a tinfoil hatter. Smh. It seemed very obvious to me what this would or could be used for, including rationing health care or purchasing health or life insurance, but people are too self absorbed and easily swayed by flashy advertising I guess.
What a mess. God help us.
biggeeer
No one is asking what happens when a person receives a blood transfusion from a person who has been vaccinated for Covid. An infinitesimal amount of another persons blood mixed in another persons blood, remains resident and is recognizable, permanently, under a microscope by a Hemotologist. Both DNA and RNA remain and cannot be unmixed. Ancestry DNA test results will identify People Groups, races, etc. of the blood donor’s ancestry and your family’s ancestry.
And antibodies.
Wow
Theft of DNA via covid tests?
This manufacturer of a quick response covid test has been working with the Chinese since at least 2014, with the benefit of NIH funding. Collection of DNA is a feature.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140904006429/en/Rheonix-Lectures-in-China-on-Its-Innovative-Molecular-Platform
“The platform can also be used for next-generation sequencing library preparation. It possesses the capability to deparaffinize a sample, extract the DNA and purify it—it can actually extract more DNA and better-quality DNA than other technologies in the market. Rheonix has many exciting capabilities that can bring a lot of benefit to worldwide markets such as China, which is one of the largest developing markets for medical devices and technology.”
Q: And who owns the patents on those COVID tests the Chinese are using to capture your DNA profile?
A: J. Edgar Fauci.
Do you have a link?
How does a public employee end up personally owning patents, rather than the government entities, research institutions, and venture capital that funded the enterprise?
The names of the venture capital that funded this technology are similar to those of Hunter’s schemes…Cayuga, Onondaga…
https://www.fdanews.com/articles/200367-fda-expands-eua-for-rheonixs-covid-19-assay
This NIH funded research from 2012 used Chinese subjects:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3383653/&ved=2ahUKEwjUm8TW2dvtAhXGwFkKHRvBCt8QFjAUegQIGRAB&usg=AOvVaw0KKbDCmEMtQoVNYMI_p0ck
23&Me is Google.
DAmn scary. Americans should be told this.
American should have some common sense and not rely on being directed at every step.
Never give your DNA away. Not to your doctor, either.
I can’t believe people even have to be told this. Smh.
Do you have any idea how easy it would be for someone to get your dna?
Please seriously advise how to determine this is being done and how to stop it . An annual health exam includes a blood draw for a CBC/ lipid profile, etc- myriad tests for monitoring health markers. If taking my blood, they have my DNA.
Exactly!
Why does anyone insist on an annual health exam? Conviction early issues will be found? Why is a wrong medical diagnosis in the top 3 causes of death each year in the US? Right up there with wrong prescriptions.
Then don’t ever take a blood test.
We are screwed. Not a penny or consent using our profile
It never sat well with me that China is so free to invest in so many different intrusive areas of our Country. They own news organizations, software companies, DNA now as well… where the heck is our government checks against this? We know they are not our friends, they do not nor ever have held our best interests at heart.
“where the heck is our government checks against this?”
Theyre too busy collecting checks from China they can cash. To hell with the peasants.
Those we elect have ONE damn job. To protect America and Americans. They have failed and it’s time there is a reckoning. Tired of nothing but bills to fill their pockets.
Wait until you get microchipped with a vax and they can tailor-make your DNA changes via 5G. They’ll be able to program you to do what they want with you being microchipped like a pet dog.
…did I read correctly over at Townhall that your employer can require you to have the vax? And exclude you from employment if you don’t? It begins… or continues.
This doesn’t surprise me one bit. Oh but it is so poignant to know that one is 1/275 of whomever.
Pocahantas is going down! China would be much more susceptible to a race based bio-weapon than the melting pot of America.
If they have a sample of your blood, they can place it at a crime scene, then convieniently find it.
!! Oy! ! I hadn’t even thought about that!!!!!
The coof may have been an alpha version. It’s interesting how easily East Asian countries are able to control it while it runs rampant everywhere else. And Caucasians have had some exposure to Chinese diseases (the Black Death came from China) and so they’re more resistant than non-Asian minorities, although this is masked by a much larger elderly population among Caucasians. So there’s a three-tier susceptibility toward the coof: East Asians the least, then Caucasians, then everyone else (blacks, American Indians, Latinos who are biologically Indians, etc.) the most.
The bioweapon is racist.
Report out in the Miami Herald about Haiti with extremely lax restrictions and very few deaths. Said scientists were perplexed. Yeah perplexed because it doesn’t follow the Wuhan wet market BS and required script.
Sun & Vitamin D.
“These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.” -Genesis 6:9
Just before this verse the context of this section is speaking about some very strange goings on between fallen angles fornicating with women …”And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.”
Jump ahead a verse and you get …”There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
Whilst all this was going on, I repeat …”These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
‘Perfect in his generations’? So mankind had been genetically compromised to the point it must be wiped out? Except Noah and his offspring which were to be spared. Which verse 8 says ” But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.” Somehow he and his family were spared the genetic shenanigans going on in those times.
And here we are today …
Wow. I appreciate Gordon Chang’s knowledge and wisdom and you for being alert and posting what we need to hear.
Even worse–they can clone Elizabeth Warren!
So what are we to make of Mike Pompeo suggesting it was primarily the work of Russia, counter to President Trump’s own tweets?
Does that paint Pompeo as a black hat?
Who that surrounds our President is a white hat at this point?
My thoughts, as well. Hard to think of Pompeo as anything but a white hat based on what he’s said and done (that we know of!)
Mark Levin told Pompeo he is one of the 2 best Secretary of State we ever had. The other one is Shultz under President Reagan.
SAID, …yes.
DONE?…..Not so much, IMHO.
Have to be VERY leery of allowing emotions to effect judgement.
Classic example is Grahams kavanaugh speech. His two minute rant, SAYING what we all were FEELING, caused many to mistake him for a White hat.
Even tho a week later, he was actively working with those SAME people he had publicly condemned, on drafting a National Red Letter law.
So, DISCOUNT the WORDS, and look at actions and inactions.
He heads the STATE Dept, where Hillary ran a massive influence peddling operation, the State Dept that was deeply involved in Ukraine, and he has nothing but praise for the employees.
And, confirmed by Mcconnell.
And, he was CIA. IMHO, he is NOT a White hat.
Right Mover??
I never thought Pompeo was a white hat. Did he clean up anything, cia, state? If so, I didn’t notice.
pompeo visited israel before iran chief nuke death
globe state wants iran.
He is the one who recommended Gina Haspel to be Director of CIA.
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China would like to see the U.S. and Russia go at each other.
Russia knows they are being used as the foil, yet again, in this election, and the inference is that they got it done in 2016, but they just did not have the gravitas to pull it off this time.
The resultant thought they want you to have is that if Joe Biden could fight off the China vectors, minimize Russia attempts, AND motivate millions more U.S. citizens to vote for him than any other candidate in history, then his reign must be destined for greatness.
Except millions of people around the world can see with their eyes and hear with their ears, that SLO-Joe is sub-par, and WE KNOW his $#it stinks to high heaven.
So, who is it that thinks so little of our ability to think for ourselves and believe in the capabilities of our duly elected president?
It is the deep state, all three branches intertwined as snakes in a pit, just living for the slide . . .
We outnumber them. We surround them. We need to cover that pit and let them devour each other.
My admittedly limited thinking is that…
Russia KNOWS they will have to deal with China eventually, and is not capable of winning that faceoff currently.
One of Russia’s two logical grand strategies would be to stand aside and let the US and China duke it out, leaving China either vanquished or victorious–but spent. In either case, China’s capabilities and tactics would have been revealed, and if Russia has to take on China, this would be their best possible moment.
The other strategy–and the one we probably prefer–would be to have Russia cooperating with us now so that China has to be prepared to defeat both countries at once. This might force a delay by China’s military planners, which the free world could definitely use to get up to speed on multiple fronts.
This might explain the China-abetted Left’s “Russia-Russia-Russia” chorus against Trump, making it more difficult for him to cultivate military, economic, or cyber-cooperation with Putin. I think Pompeo’s public accusations could be (if Pompeo is not Deep State) leverage to force Russia to defend themselves on the world stage. Their proof of innocence would 1) identify China as the default global villain, and 2) allow Russia to allign with the US as an anti-Sino move rather than a pro-US move.
I doubt my musings are all that insightful, but sometimes it’s worth putting your best out there in the treehouse just to provoke truly knowledgeable treepers to post informed, corrective responses.
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Your thought just expound on my and give credence to the idea that the world players are each trying to play each other, all to the detriment of us peons.
Except. We.Surround.Them.
I think the best plan might be for the US to get with China and Russia, and kneecap the multinationals, and set up a multipolar world order based upon mutual development and respect of each other’s sovereignty. Don’t invite the British.
China is ruthless- they want world dominance at any cost- they have NO humanity or moral values except to the Party- so no. I really don’t want my organs harvested.
Bravo, Bruised Orange.
Some post their thoughts, to try to convince others they are “right”, and thats fine.
Others post their thoughts, to subject them to others objective, critical thinking.
Responces which support a post are fine, but responces that, without getting into “Jane you ignorant slut” b.s., but that actually take, point by point, and attempt to rebut, are to me the most valuable.
Sometimes there attempts to rebut actually strengthen my conviction, other times they show me where I am in error, and those are the most valuable, as having innaccurate views or opinions of whats going on, is like walking around with my fly undone.
I’d really like someone to say “psst,….”
As to your post, entirely possible. POTUS’s often used SOS to engage in such geopolitical manueverings.
Would like to see us (PDJT) able to align with Putin against China, and always figured that was one part of the motive for muh, russia b.s.; to prevent such alignment of interest.
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Apologies, Orange, if my original reply to you appeared flippant on my part.
That ‘just’ can be misconstrued and twist pretzel-like into a derisive thought, is unfortunate . . .
Use, common sense, if Pompeo says it was Russia who hacked… believe him.
Why? Because Pompeii said so? Is this missing a /s?
Punish Russia harshly and then punish China and Iran very harshly… let Sleep Joe figure the rest out.
Ahhh NO Sleepy aint going anywhere near anything he has t figure out like …i dont know…. nuclear codes?
That’s not “common sense”, that’s just dumb. Go sit in the corner and let the adults figure this out.
Well thanks Old Codger.
President Trump is just up to his old dumb games of never going along with what his staff says, saying the opposite and then incorrectly thinking he has gained some advantage that he can exploit later.
Only this time, Joe will be left figuring it out.
SO Old Codger, what isn’t common sense, punishing a foreign country for hacking our security systems? Sundance suggests there should be a harsh response. I am just saying the president should punish everyone.
Could be a head fake
That is what crossed my mind when I heard it
Anyone who heard Pompeo’s presentation of the Commission he set up called the Inalienable Rights Commission on the founding of our Constitution and noble humanity of our founding fathers would know Pompeo loves America. It changed my mind. Everyone should listen to his speech on the release of the report. Sent chills down my back!!
https://www.mixedtimes.com/news/pompeo-unveils-report-on-unalienable-rights-defends-americas-founding-principles
I remember that speech, that’s why when he says Russia did the hack… I believe him.
Low IQ would be why.
and an antagonist, welcome back
Go ahead Whiteboard, attack my IQ. Let’s check back on January 21st and see who is right. Will trump do anything to punish the hackers that then allows Sleepy Joe to carry though with Trump’s plan?
They used malware based on a Russian trojan. But that in itself says nothing as that software can be bought on the web. Will have to leave it to the digital forensic investigators if there’s any true traces to find. Any self respecting hacker would either point to another country (just loop your traffic through 10 layers of servers, with the last one being in Russia) or they would have deleted all the logs. You’re not going to find a big sticker on it saying “Russia” even though that is what intelligence community would have one believe.
once hack ware is used it doesnt have to be bought just collected and tweaked. Think of it as open source.
IMHO, it was Iran action using Russan technology…The time line associated with the intrusion lines up with US airstrike taking out their terrorist general in
Iran…
I generally do not trust pompeo. Three reasons.
I am not saying Pompeo is right or wrong to assign attribution to russia. While most people in the west have this binary perspective about competing interests that separate china from russia, they BOTH benefit from this attack. In this regard, one could easily make the case (without proving it) that there was some coordination between both of these two nations. And it’s also important to understand that most large scale cyber crimes are now handled by second parties where a nation state can avoid direct attribution and the liabilities.
Microsoft by taking down multiple domains and reshaping them has by NOW been collected what parties the malware has been phoning home. I would not be surprised if Russia was involved in some way. But I would also not discount Ukraine either! or Italy! Or Gernany. or the UK. This idea that attribution can be determined is a game of “confidence” steps based on “prior” behavior. That we do not see concrete evidence is not unusual. It’s not smart to signal at this point, how powerful our counter intel and collection and analysis methods have evolved. You really want to let the game play out That’s just being smart. This is particularly true in this event, as are more reasons to believe than ever before that this attack was launched by players operating within the very same companies responsible to protecting networks. There ARE trillions at stake. That’s a huge incentive to betray your own national interest. We need to stop believing that people in high positions of power within the US are in fact representing US national interest.
take google for example….why would this company decide that it’s a good idea to re-tool it’s products for china (and Russia btw, and several other countries) that were designed with backdoors for those nation states to spy on their own people and major corporations. (and yes, the US does the same thing here..the difference being…what real interest does google have in functioning for China and others? Isn’t this directly supporting regimes that are not friendly to US? …that’s just one example. There are in fact hundreds of other examples and not only related to tech companies)
Listen to Pompeo’s speech at the unveiling of the Inalienable Rights Commission he set up- it will change your mind about him. It did me. It was Awesome!! Pompeo loves America.
https://www.mixedtimes.com/news/pompeo-unveils-report-on-unalienable-rights-defends-americas-founding-principles
Years ago, maybe it was Snowden, who stated when they hacked into a system, they could leave
“fingerprints” of anyone they wanted. They could hack into, oh, say, Germany’s Ministry of Transport
and make it look like the Chinese did it.
Change your VPN address.
If it’s not obvious after this it never will be. You know a tree by it’s fruit. He is a former CIA head. He has done nothing to help Trump yet or expose any of this or Gina Haspel. He is now pushing a new Russia Russia Russia hoax. He is not a white hat.
Respectfully disagree- though I held the same thoughts about Pompeo before I heard his speech at the unveiling of the Inalienable Rights Commission Report. Find it and listen to it. I think he may have been hoodwinked on Haspel.
https://www.mixedtimes.com/news/pompeo-unveils-report-on-unalienable-rights-defends-americas-founding-principles
Pretty sure Judicial Watch says that State is STILL protecting Hillary.
More Russia Russia Russia to take the focus off of China China China.
Pompeo gave several speeches in the last few weeks with China as the biggest threat.
Something here is very, very wrong. Read through the CISA website. https://www.cisa.gov/ Private stakeholders… 5G… election security…
What in hell did we do? Give the fox keys to the henhouse?
Also wondering about all those super cloud computing and other contracts with Big Tech, “private stakeholders”… These would be the same people who are, or who are highly connected with, the same people who are censoring conservatives, banning tweets, claiming the election was “secure”, and so forth. Am I having delusions here?
Assuming the “key’ is in the shape of a “nuclear worm” then wouldn’t the fox have total
and absolute control in the event the chickens try in any manner of which to hurt or disarm the fox?
In the event of Fire, break glass and nuke the bastards!
Wasnt there a big tah-doo about taking all the government server contracts from microsoft to amazon or was it vic versa …hmmmm …doesnt matter much does it.
Question 1. Were we attacked?
Answwer: Yes, definitively. And, it cuts the to core of our protected assets and infrastructure.
Question 2: Who did it, conclusively?
Answer: We don’t know.
Question 3: What are we going to do about it?
Answer: Well, who’s our most capable rival who would stand to benefit from having this capability and exploiting it, AND who has assaulted us already in ways we are aware of, conclusively? China. Then we retaliate against China. Suggestion: revoke visas wholesale–travel, corporate engagement, students, etc. Any more questions?
Exactly, except for punish Russia and China equally.
In other words, implement the harshest punishment we can and let Joe sort it out.
Stop with the Joe crap he is a ghost
Readers here know Joe will be our next president. Trump should just set the stage now for Joe to be harsh later.
There is no kraken coming.
For all we know, January 6th is just a concession speech or another way for his campaign to raise money.
Go away, little mind.
“Readers here” know nothing of the kind.
Saying “Oh, you KNOW” or “Everybody knows” is, like saying “Clearly” a cheap rhetorical trick, used to pre-emptively forestall any opposition.
Moderate man, my *ss.
Get out of my foxhole.
Dutchman, I seem to remember you blasting me back earlier in the year when I predicted Joe would be president.
Nothing I said above about the punishment Trump should deliver to Russia, China and Iran is illogical.
So, what that tells all of us here is that you were in on the stealing of the election…You knew Biden would win??? Wow. DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS obvious plant. Go back to CNN.
I voted for Trump, have never watched CNN and think much like you.
I just am moderate enough to understand that Trump has limited time and for the good of the country, he must enact a punishment to these hackers that allows Joe to carry through effectively.
You don’t seem to be in a position to give President Trump advice & I see zero evidence that there is a single person on this forum who would like to hear your opinion of PT or his decision-making process or any decision he has made.
Perhaps you would spend your time better finding a nice drink to relax with or get another hobby. This hobby you’re practicing now appears to be annoyance-related. Is that what you’re going for?
Looks like the “realtor” is back in another form.
Trollin, trollin, trollin… Keep those RolCons rollin… RolCon!
“Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.”
Moderation in pursuit of justice is also called survival.
Survive away from here, please. We’re looking to accomplish OUR win.
Thanks.
Nice lookin’ Three Gorges Dam, ya got there! Be a shame if anything happened to it!
All that dirty water 8 foot deep in yer fields and factories…yeah, a real shame!
Inside job in concert with China, Russia, and others. The Globalists want their Reset!
I wouldn’t believe the NYT if they said the Sun would rise from the East tomorrow morning.
The greatest benefit of (((Russia)))… is that they are blond haired, blue eyed caucasians. Perfect villains.
Acknowledging the obvious with the Chinese is racist. Brown people cannot be accused of such crimes.
Russia will forever be the boogeyman as they sell this country out to China.
There will never be another election again….but that’s alright people, you have your hopes and prayers.
Truer words were never spoken regarding the folks with those special features. Thank you.
And all those ‘thoughts and prayers’ will do nothing to shield those people from the coming onslaught of racism and bigotry.
The thing that stuck with me after the Snowden affair was the guy that gave a news briefing and specifically said the CIA was forced to replace thousands of computers “and their cables”. He made a point to say the cables had to be replaced. I’m no computer expert but this will be a massive undertaking.
Another point that should be made is it was reported (take that for what it’s worth) that Russian removed all its computers from the Kremlin and wentback to typewriters and ribbons.
My bet is on Chyna. And when our favorite President returns to office my guess is the South China Sea will be missing an island or two, due to weather, of course.
I think there’s gonna be a river or three, missing their dam! EARTHQUAKES are terrible things! And so unpredictable!
Can you say “rods of gods”? Lol
I heard an earthquake…
Anytime the shadow government starts with “Russia! Russia! Russia!” It’s China.
Another worrisome thing was the Google disruption just before this. Their spyware has been collecting private information on American citizens for years. Whoever broke into Google likely has all this private info; SSNs, Credit card numbers, facial recognition, addresses, etc., of every single American.
Actually, anytime they start with Russia, Russia, Russia it is the democrats and deep state.
Listen to Gordon Chang, for ONE example of how they use such info.
They used AI, to sort thru posts, facebook, tweets etc in order to identify Americans who would be “open” to being recruited as riots for hire.
Antifa/Blm, costs Billions of dollars in damage to U.S. Businesses. And, China doesn’t take any “hit” for it, just as they haven’t for Covid.
Asymetrical warfare, very difficult to justify a DIRECT, Military attack on an enemy you KNOW attacked you, but you A) can’t prove, conclusively and B) the attack against you wasn’t military.
This is the essence of the PLA/CCP warplan. Devilish seems the appropriate descriptor.
Google didn’t need to get “broke-into” for China to have access to America’s private info. The Deep state have had backdoors to FB, Google, & every other internet social media company for years.
Look up the Bilderberger guest lists for the last twenty years & you’ll understand who’s running that show.
The Chinese Communist Party is evil but they wouldn’t be where they are today without America’s “generosity”. Remember Johnny Chung ? He illegally funneled money from Chinese officials to Bill Clinton’s 1996 re-election bid. The China Menace was Made in America gaining momentum under Clinton. We gave, outright or letting them steal, our technology, our manufacturing expertise, our jobs, and our dollars for their exports. China was nothing without greedy Americans selling us out.
Z-Man, you are correct.
Bernard Schwartz – Loral
Before Loral Space the Chinese could only launch bottle rockets
For about $750k gave them help with their MIRV inertial guidance systems to do 2-3 stage rocket boosts on ICBMs.
What $50 billion and 30 years of research on a silver platter?
Poppa Bush, BEFORE he was VP, let alone POTUS, was Ambassador to,…..?
CHINA.
Was HE the first manchurian candidate, who paved the way for the others?
I think so,..
So, Trump and we are supposed to believe the 17 intel agencies that tried to eff him and eff us for four years?
Pompeo? I want to like the guy but know I can’t trust anyone who’s led the CIA, even for a short time.
Further, even if Pompeo is on the up and up w/ Trump, he gets his info from DOD, CIA, FBI. How do we know those agencies level with HIM?
President Trump will not let our enemies know what he knows.
President Trump has asked us to Join him in Washington DC on Wednesday, January 6th.
Drop your other plans – GO TO DC Jan 6th to be with President Trump.
Go to DC Not Because you Want to go…
Go Because You Must Go.
You Must Go Now.
Tell the Free People of The World Communism Has Failed Again.
My plane ticket and Hotel are booked. Awaiting orders upon arrival Jan 5th.
as a veteran of the Nov DC march..do not go as children to a movie..prepare..
carry if possible, or as I did have 2 legal weapons..under no conditions be separated and alone
on the Streets of DC…metro police will NOT protect you.
The password was “solarwind123” – which has been out there circulating since at least 2017 (Vault 7 dump). Blame the C!A, it’s more than likely ALL their fault.
Even John Podesta could remember that password.
Trump responding to this serious computer hack may be his Cuban Missile Crisis.
What does this mean “Cuban Missile Crisis”… we are poised to drop a nuclear bomb on Russia?
Very interesting analysis. From my perspective, certain events stand out: 1) Demtri Alperovitch immediately appeared on PBS NewsHour to blame the Russians, based on hallmarks of their trade craft. The rest of the MSM joined in the chorus. Alperovitch/Crowdstrike created and sold the Russia Gate hoax, so are spox for the Deep State. Then and now. What does the DS want to hide this time? China’s involvement? That a coalition of Deep State forces, with CCP and Globalists like the WEF, used the Solar Wind hack to fix our election?
2) The political use of the Wuhan virus by Dems and the MSM seems like Marxist efforts to “never let a crisis go to waste” (and create the crisis if necessary).
3) The MSM’s claim to determine the winner, a new and extra-constitutional assertion, coupled with the ever-repeated lie that President’s Trump’s failure to concede constitutes an attack on our Democracy, has been so orchestrated to suggest it was all orchestrated.
4) Throw in huge grants from Zuckerberg to select election officials at the heart of the steal, and we have further evidence of a coordinated coup.
5) Chris Krebs’ announcement of the most secure election ever suggests he is a Deep Stater part of a well-coordinate coup. Well-fired, Mr. President.
6) The DOJ/FBI enabled cover-up of the Hunter Biden laptop, coupled with Twitter’s and Facebook’s censorship of the NY Post article and all supporting information, coupled with the Big Lie Media’s continued repetition of their false narrative that all claims of election fraud and illegality are without evidence, to me evidence a totalitarian resistance in full coup mode, just holding on till Biden is inaugurated.
So I suspect the CCP has corrupted our IC agencies, as well as the politicians who oversee them, academics, the news and entertainment media, as well as the WEF and other globalist organizations. I believe we are already at war with the CCP, and are in danger of losing the war without ever publicly acknowledging our enemy.
The only problem I have, with the idea that the solarwind hack, was used to rig the election is,…with all that Sidney has uncovered, it doesn’t look like they NEEDED the hack, to effect the steal.
Unless (2scenarios);
Thechack was to get voter registration records, so they could come up with legitimate registered voter names, to put on the phoney ballots.
Or, there were multiple different actors working on the steal, in an UNcoordinated fashion, with different goals.
That would be those INSIDE the country, trying to steal the vote, FOR Joe.
And, those OUTSIDE (China?) whose goal was to prevent Trump reelection, AND sew division, leading to Civil war.
China is reputed to have nothing but contempt for the fools who they corrupt into working for them, they even have a word it, escapes me but they do.
Point being, they COULD have worked WITH the Dems and Reps to rig the election, and THEN thrown a monkeywrench in the works, with additional ballot dumps, to MAKE it obvious, in order to trigger the current crises.
Maybe THATS why the Steal comes across as SO obvious?
It IS China and there will not be ANY response if Beijing Biden is sworn in.
I’m not trying to spam this page but with the new format I can’t tell if anyone is seeing this.
This Wictor video is very insightful…really…
Thank you. Watched and felt better until the dawning over Pence. I do not trust Pence at all. What am I missing?
Read through the comments and saw Wictor is a Pence guy so now I’m not sure about Miller at all unless he is baiting Pence. What a tangled web.
I followed Wictor on twitter until he blocked me for asking why he said Shia and Sunni would work together. He had no response for why that would happen after over a millennia of warfare between the two.
Hmm, I thought it was kinda too cute by half. Just watched and had no idea what point Wictor was trying to make.
Many think the hack (post)election was either someone trying to get to the EO report or it was our space force letting them all know they got caught….
This Wictor video fits well, right here. Some of the answers your looking for may be found here.
Interesting – thanks Abigail!
I asked below but think I may be missing something. Bear in mind I do not trust Pence at all. What questions should this answer and what role do you think, based on this that Pence played in this or with Miller? Because this is enough to make me now have some suspicion of Miller.
Funny bc the move by Trump to put Miller in as acting I saw that as a pretty seismic move.
There is another big player in government security that got hacked, FireEye. The hackers stole “Red Team” tools. Our federal govt department has been using FireEye for years. We recently had unexplained FireEye activity on our network and the company couldn’t figure out what was wrong so we turned FireEye off. FireEye is the company that reported the SolarWinds Orion hack to the NSA.
It has been suggested that the cyber intrusion is a false-flag operation by the deep state, to harm Trump. Such a false-flag operation would also explain why the intrusion does not seem to have done much direct damage.
We’ll have to wait and see what impact it has on the Fortune 500 companies these deep staters sit on the boards of and take contracts from
Funny, my first thought was CIA.
Pardon Assange and let him help solve this.
The recent Project Veritas release of the audio Calls of Assange asking for government (State Department contacts) for help with an internal theft of embarrassing US gov docs would give more weight to the arguments to pardon Assange I’d think.
so this hack happened back in april-may,shortly thereafter the chinese consulate in houston was shut down.so we had information back then they were spying in one way or another.my guess is this hack has been tracked since then.funny that the consulate and solarwind were both in texas.and the supposed server in germany,haven’t heard a word about it,so did it happen or not.supposed c.i.a. server.
AND as for milley,PT just signed another EO related to succesion within the military ranks.milley was left out.so with his statement PT should get rid of him.
Arrest Krebs while you’re at it. He was an Operative, I’m convinced. His own language tells me that.
The whole “who dun it” question is a diversion tactic. It doesn’t really matter who was operating the buttons. Whoever got useful information is not going to sit on it. Further information wants to be free so it will be copied and duplicated and turn up where you least expect it or be sold to the highest bidder.
Bit hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube. The who did it point is moot. Truth is if they were any good they planted fake traces to point to the wrong person or they will have erased all the logs.
He’s right…
| Vladimir Putin Speaks: Multiculturalism Has Failed the WestWill the West Continue its Obsession with Diversity? |
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/vladimir-putin-speaks-multiculturalism-has-failed-the-west/
“… Indeed, Putin is correct about the failure of multiculturalism. However, this is not a question about free speech but mass migration policies that bring in large swathes of people coming from cultures which are alien to the West.”
Immigration is about 1) cheap labor for the globalists 2) cheap votes for the Democommunist Party (and not so cheap of a bill for US taxpayers 3) virtue signaling for Democommunists which ties into 2).
You forgot 4 – a Cloward Piven & Kalergi strategy to collapse the United States, simultaneously happening in Western Europe for the same reasons. A full collapse of the West to usher in the one world government and collapse all national borders.
BINGO!
Winner, winner chicken dinner.
In ME, they stir up a hornets nest of revolts, civil wars, and military engagements, IN ORDER TO drive millions of refugees into Europe and US.
South of the Border, Fast/Furious sends miltary grade weoponry to cartels, violence including terrorism drives millions of refugees, again fleeing up into the U.S.
ALL to destroy the west, by forcing the rapid asimilation of those who didn’t come because they WANTED to (and who may then embrace asimilation in their new country) but HAD to, and so more likely to resist asimilation.
Globalists are also interested in keeping social security for those elderly who survive so they can continue to make their billions sitting on the boards of biotech, pharma, & insurance companies. They’re not sad that the elderly & weak (the “feeders”) are being eliminated from the pool of state and private-funded insurance companies. They already gained control of the healthcare sector through Obamacare, so now they need to clean up the bottom line (through selective population control) and they can make a bigger profit.
Meanwhile, globalists still need cheap labor in the US. Who will work for cheap wages while enjoying the benefits of living as an American? Immigrants from shithole countries!
Immigrants from wealthy countries aren’t willing to work for cheap wages. They don’t hate the American way of life. They love it.
Shithole immigrant, like Ilhan Omar has the same Marxist mentality as Barrack Obama. They hate everything about this country because everyone is “racist,” but they do nothing to help the people they “serve” because “America was never great.”
They are no different than Paul Ryan who walks around to their back to kiss their butts.
Raise Your Hand If You Think Joe Biden Could Get a
Security Clearance to be a Deck Wiper on any U.S. Naval Vessel.
Hands Up !!
Imagine Biden as Commander in Chief! God forbid. Joint Chief Milley said he will not use our military to get involved in election dispute. Our President has foreign and domestic enemies surround him.
Miley seems to think it’s his call. It’s not his military. It’s the U.S. military, with CiC being Donald J Trump.
Several Army Generals made public statement concurring.
They are effectively saying PDJT is not, in fact CIC, and depriving him of the authority to invoke Insurrection Act.
They effectively did this during Antifa BLM riots.
Unless PDJT wants to fire everyone above 2 Stars (which is political appointment level, confirmed by Senate) he is stuck with Obama/McConnells military commanders.
ignorant statement by Milley if he sees this National Emergency as a simple “election dispute”
Maybe he can join the other A Hole that PDJT recently fire for stating this is the safest election.
Milley’s days are numbered, he has been on life support since he took a knee with Esper..
Internal Bad Actors–Internal as ORGANIC.
all POTUS has to do is arrest one example politicians for collusion with china.
one former gov official
and a massive amount of foreign china hack related people …
then just NEVER RELENT. when the news talks of dictator – ARREST ANOTHER ONE…. and NEVER RELENT. seize twitter – seize facebook seize google CEOs for collusion. leave the platforms untouched. NEVER RELENT.
arrest Daniel Goldman. Arrest Adam Schiff. Arrest Eric Ciaramella. Arrest Vindman. NEVER RELENT. keep going! Arrest CNN CEO NEVER RELENT. collusion, aiding and abetting.
Maybe the backdoor was left open for domestic enemies like Facebook?
Hillary arranged to have back door aided computer networks, then destroyed the evidence with not so much as a slap on the hand. Her meddling in shady computers is historic going back to when she was in braids. A back door wasn’t left open, the corrupt govt players arranged them to be built in otherwise closed data banks. Then they could sell us out to the highest bidders, and they did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vka_t_fSaI&t=4m26s
just click – its set to time.
General Flynn said – “they are all worried about Georgia, this runnoff in Georgia, Thats a fake election.. you cant have another election on the same system. its a broken system. we cant allow a system thats tied to foreign powers to be used to vote for the president or any elective office in our country”
Dec 21st – the President will seize. Jan 6th throw.
jupiter saturn biblical star
Russia is the shiny object.
CCP. Chinese software engineers in SolarWinds.
Software updates Incorporating Russia malware.
I have always suspected it was China, the minute the MSM started calling it out as Russia it was obvious.
“if I were an IT manager, I’d be VERY worried for the safety of my Active Directory”
If you’re using Active Directory, you have no business being an IT manager.
MIckeysoft’s server “security” record has been known for decades now.
If by “Left” you mean the “Deep State
, I would agree!
Mr. President hasn’t missed a call since he began his political run
whether he calls out china, russia, or who ever i’ll bank it
Why was it removed?
BEFORE:
https://web.archive.org/web/20201214093452/https://dvsfileshare.dominionvoting.com/Web%20Client/Mobile/MLogin.htm
AFTER:
https://dvsfileshare.dominionvoting.com/Web%20Client/Mobile/MLogin.htm
great catch
We should not allowed Chinese students from China to study Computer Science, Engineering, Bioscience in our universities.
Why do we assume the “attack” came from outside the network?
Our CIA, DIA, and others already possess the ability to make things appear as if they were occurring from other places, and mimic the behavior of other actors.
No one noticed what Snowden did. Snowden was on the inside.
Who would desire access to all those Dominion puters? Democrats and The Swamp?
Otoh, we are still enduring the effects of their bio-weapon, CCP Virus.
It is logical for the CCP to deliver the ultimate “bio-weapon” to our information-laden networks, plus the ability to control Dominion voting puters.
FireEye? APT-29 Cozy Bear? Really? That’s all they have? {{sigh}}
Gee wiz, just how stupid/gullible do they think we are?
Here’s another thought – cover up operation.
1) “We didn’t cheat – the Russians hacked the votes.” – or –
2) “The Russians hacked the votes and made it look like we hacked the votes and Trump really won – but he didn’t, and we didn’t hack the votes.”
Interesting hypotheses…
If the ruskies wanted to develop any top notch cyber warfare equipment, where would the electronics come from?
China.
How many products that you own come from the ruskies vs. the CCP? Which country would least benefit from a trade war? Which country would be more impacted from sanctions? Which country would do anything to make sure that their products and ideology would flow freely into the US?
My confidence is high that the chi coms are chiefly behind this.
Since the FireEye announcement this sounded a lot like the DNC and Crowdstrike. An out for the Democrats when they get caught doing bad stuff like election meddling.
Q: what time is it?
answer: you have 10 minutes left.
Q: wait, I am asking what time it is right now? what are you talking about 10 minutes left
answer: which is really more important…now, or what happens next?
anecdote: sometimes when you are looking for answers and run into a block, it’s important to understand that some questions aren’t really what is most important! Sometimes when you ask different questions, and you look, you find what matters most.
I will present some information here:
at present time, there are about one dozen KNOWN APT entities attributed to “china”. Only one of them has the patterns and traits that combine the capabilities of all other APT’s. In fact, most cyber security researchers consider THIS ONE SINGLE APT to be in a class of its own. It “borrows” nearly every single technique and capability of every single other APT group, and not just those in China, but across the world. Making attribution to this specific group untenable (in theory).
now, how many APT’s exist attributed to Russia?
answer: one. And that One, APT 29 also carries a similar pattern of the one in china.
there are no coincidences. Either attribution science is practically incapable of making the common sense assumption that two of the world’s greatest cyber hacking groups are cooperating ..or we are led to believe each achieved these capabilities magically at or near the same time.
occam’s: there are no distinctions between APT15 and APT29.
or occam’s 2.0: the entire notion of APT attribution since 2003 is akin to dark energy theory and sasquatch claims. Maybe…might be…could be…
or not.
at the risk of making another goofy movie and great script writing anecdote, this one does fit:
some people just want to watch the world burn.
some people don’t care about money, power, influence. they just want to create anarchy.
some people want to create anarchy because they see a world they hate and have the intelligence and the power to change it ….
there are some people who do live in this world, who do have the power and the intelligence to create such chaos.
the problem with current attribution methods is that there is very few means to determine the difference between a nation state performing a war like attack on national security high value assets…or just a group of evil people who can create the same perception.
we “should” tread lightly here.
but we probably won’t.
when (not if) the US goes to war, will be a moment when we can’t spend alot of time wondering what was the better truth. We do have enemies. There is real power being challenged. The US cannot be weak. China AND Russia have and will continue to sew discord and unwind every single factor that makes America special and sovereign. These countries do this, because we represent a threat to their very corrupt central governments. USA is still a democratic republic, warts and all, but it stands are something more than just an idea. Our very existence as a free country, albeit slowly eroding, is a direct threat to these countries where power is stolen from the people.
we are fighting 4 wars.
outwardly
inwardly
spiritually
honor
It is in moments such as this, that great nations either fall and wither, or expand and reform into a better more refined leader.
There is no way this American is going to allow what we have built with blood sweat and tears go by the wayside because of weakness.
not here..not on my watch.
yessir on the money !!
Could easily have been an inside job in collusion with China, Russia, and Iran.
yes, that (like the DNC “hack”) is the most efficient, likely, plausible, simple, and hardest to acknowledge (because of certain group think matrices) vectors.
when the cops show up, they “interview” everyone at the bank. Down to the third party contractors. It’s a standard protocol. It is this way, because having prior access and enough motivation and incentives, make inside job angles the first way to deduce where the heist has likely formed.
but you know who vouches for these same staff and people? The very bank owners that were taken.
See, it’s a paradox. A bank owner holds their interests in a delicate balance that is broken easily when trust is broken. So in so much as an unconcious act of self interest, a bank will defend even the most unscrupulous types. Because that imagines a loss of trust…and would doom a company.
now take that to scale. A security vendor HIRED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT with the sole purpose of protecting crown jewels. The very red team tools used to pen test major networks across nearly every sector of the United States. Financial institutions, think tanks, military, research…real production companies, policy and trade and treasury agencies.
when “trust” is broken by the exposure of an inside job, and excuse to deny that will do…and soon, rather quickly, there is a emergency needs to find another villain.
There is also additional advantages of creating this cover. When the “enemy” is outward, the same security firm and all of the companies agencies and US gov’t can feed directly from the trough …all in the name of national security refinement and mitigation. another trillions are at stake issue.
The “radicals” love comporting all cyber events as staged foreign issues. It pays the bills. It keeps them in power. See russia….Enemy of the state. We need to throw money at it.
I just have one name that is soon to be household:
Wei Dai
Wei Dai.
he made the list..
My money is on China.
And hackers this good to go undetected for 9 months would not leave a trail back to themselves.
and likely to divert scrutiny somewhere else. ie Russsia
Is Dan trying to tell us something? Hmmm……………..
Based on some of the things I’m seeing just today, IMO I think that answer is YES!