Why would any foreign actor go through all the trouble to rob a bank and yet take nothing?…
This is the metaphor for U.S. officials noticing the backdoor to our national cyber-network was found wide open, and yet not a single organization attached to the SolarWind’s Orion network points to any negative impact other than the existence itself of the originating malware. It just doesn’t add up.
Keep in mind… this “malware” has been in place since May and only recently identified.
DNI John Ratcliffe announced there was “foreign interference” in the election, and while citing Russia, China and Iran the DNI said the report on election security would be delayed. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo points to Russia as the source of the SolarWinds’ intrusion; but there is no specific evidence outlined. Today, following a briefing on the issues President Trump noted it could be Russia, but it could also be China.
There seems to be a coordinated effort to blame Russia by government officials and a host of media groups. Russia is a favored scapegoat, and given how the media falsely blamed Russia for 2016 election interference/collusion, corporate media carry a self-interest in perpetrating that narrative.
Any suggestion it was *not* Russia is then used to weaponize a Russia-apologist narrative. However, considering most of our institutions have a financial relationship with China, the self-serving hypocrisy of China-apologists carries a particularly deafening tone.
Accepting that no-one really knows, yet, who originated this intrusion, here is a Big Picture notation from the Rebel Alliance:
Due to the widespread use of SolarWinds and the length of time the SolarWinds vulnerability was possibly exploited, this attack could be the full-on equivalent of Pearl Harbor, except in a global scale.
In defending networks, very good cyber defense teams (eg, as with large financial firms and some portions of the US gov), have a good chance of success, primarily through use of extensive measures aimed at prevention and/or early detection.
But, when an attacker gets inside a network for an extended period of time, they typically focus first on becoming “rooted” (ie, they implement numerous alternate backdoors and cleverly hide malware throughout the network such that attacker access may be restored even after detection and cleanup).
Once rooted, an attacker is often extremely difficult to fully remove from the victim’s network, even if the victim completely replaces all hardware and rebuilds his entire network from scratch.
Most less capable victims, and there were potentially hundreds or thousand of direct and indirect victims in this attack, do not even have the capability to rebuild their networks and, hence, have little hope of ever completely eliminating the attacker.
Attackers are not solely interested in removing information in bulk. When large amounts of information are unexpectedly seen leaving a network, this often flags an attack in progress. So, slower and more careful movement through the network is typically seen by highly skilled attackers.
Attacker motivations are highly varied. In government networks, the attacker may wish to spy to learn about foreign agents, for example.
In a commercial network, there are many opportunities for financial gain (eg, knowledge of pending business deals). Some attackers may also wish to implement a longer term ability to physically or logically destroy the victim’s network.
Restoring a destroyed network in a large enterprise is amazingly complex. Many organizations, even those having backup data, could not do it. Even if skilled enough to rebuild, the lost time can potentially destroy the enterprise. If hundreds of firms were destroyed simultaneously, the economic impact could be crippling.
America must now confront the reality that most of its corporate network infrastructure could be entirely at the mercy of a foreign power AND that this situation is unlikely to be reversed anytime soon. This is a blow potentially as powerfully impactful as Covid-19.
I am NOT convinced this attack was perpetrated by Russia, as is being preliminarily alleged, due to the difficulty of reliable attribution. Hardly any evidence has been provided and attribution is notoriously difficult.
The evidence should be collected, the extent of the attack [in terms of the actual versus potential] use of the SolarWinds backdoor to invade Gov networks and US corporations should be determined. It must also be assessed whether the SolarWinds attack facilitated interference in the election.
Critically, it must be determined whether “nuclear worms”, capable of physical or logical network destruction, were implanted anywhere and which are now silently waiting for a signal to activate.
(Personally, if I were an IT manager, I’d be VERY worried for the safety of my Active Directory right now, since sabotage of AD is relatively easy and recovery can be extremely difficult and sometimes impossible, depending on the implementation.)
If this attack is limited to just gov networks and does not include major corporations, the election, or nuclear worms, the gov networks should be cleaned up and an appropriate response delivered to the attacker via our Cyber Defense force.
If the attack included the gov networks and election, interference, the same gov network cleanup is needed. However, the response must be more severe, and I would think should include some level of physical destruction.
If, however, the attack spread additionally to most of the Fortune 500 networks and/or includes nuclear worms, a massive gov initiative to facilitate a cleanup of corporate systems is needed.
After the initial triage, activation of plans for a kinetic response to such an attack must be considered. Eg, if the attack was attributed to China, we must respond forcefully and the response must fully respond to Chinese perceptions of US psychology. So, if China perceives the US a paper tiger, the appropriate response my be to take control of the Three Gorges Dam and open its valves.
In my view, this attack *requires* a FORCEFUL response, not necessarily limited to a cyber delivered response. The attacker must pay a high price based upon scope and severity. To do nothing projects unacceptable weakness. And the thought that US corporate infrastructure might be taken out at will, possibly through nuclear worms, possibly through more direct individualized attacks, is just unacceptable.
Regardless of the response, this attack should be taken as a wakeup call to the country. The risk of a destructive attack could be far higher than previously acknowledged.
I hope this summary is helpful to you in helping others understand the significance of this.
I’m right there with you. It could have been the Russians…but it didn’t make any sense. I didn’t say anything because I was not sure. In the back of my mind it made better sense it was China.
China does it and then China and Democrats blame the Russians.
China has more motivation to be the culprit than Russia. POTUS Trump while dealing strongly with sanctions against Russia, has always wanted to assess opportunities for joint cooperation economically with Russia a more stabilizing approach as he applied to the Middle East.
Or CIA does it and blames Russia. I mean the CIA DOES APPEAR to be our enemy.
That’s what Truman said. JFK too.
So Russia is so sophisticated that they can attack our cyber systems. Yet, they use the alias “Cozy Bear”? You mean they couldn’t get a little creative and use the alias “Pretty Panda” or “Dangerous Dragon” to throw people off their trail. “Hey guys, why don’t we just call ourselves Vlad’s Impalers”? Russia? Cmon man, they still have dial up and are using Prodigy or AOL!
As soon as ‘Russia’ is called out, I immediately link the CIA.
This is what I just hear today from James R who explains how it was done by our (evil insider deep state CIA) on the Mcfiles e network channel.
James is also involved in a new company – creado.media – check it out. James is also on pirate radio. https://dlive.tv/Realpersonpltcs – (warning language)
FireEyes the US gov. security company. Embedded in the UPDATE source code and sat in servers for months waiting for the update to go.
From July 27, 2020
Just throwing this out there as possibly why they’re scratching their heads, don’t know.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/cisa-says-62000-qnap-nas-devices-have-been-infected-with-the-qsnatch-malware/
Plus, this whole argument “It’s Russia” makes absolutely no sense, why, because silly, if that were true, then President Trump would have won on 11/3/20. Oops!
That was my thoughts also. We know some Russians were helping Hillary in 2016 with the Pee Pee Dossier, and then blamed Russia, so why not help Biden now? I’m sure the Russians, Iran, and China would much rather have Biden!
The list of likely trespassers is long. When the door is left wide open, they are all going to find their way in sooner or later. There were at least five foreign states that hacked Hillary’s server.
China and Iran has the most to gain, IMO. I’m not saying that the Russians don’t but my immediate reaction to all things “Russia” is blah, blah, blah.
There could have been a hit on our voting machines? Sounds like someone isn’t sure anymore.
Nope. POTUS Trump has always maintained you don’t give a public heads up to our enemies (foreign and domestic) about what you truly know or are about to do.
Then he shouldn’t mention it at all.
You are right, Jimmy.
Nice try jimmyharbs! Troll elsewhere. Patriots understand what POTUS Trump is doing by getting word out that he knows/has it covered.
You definitely have picked the wrong site if you are counting on Treepers to be sheeple. Treepers are the most knowledgable, patriotic and compassionate people I have had the honor to be associated with and I am an Independent from a swing state which btw was in the steal crosshairs but fortunately was counted for POTUS Trump I suspect only because the state was determined at the time that it was a bridge too far to also steal as sunlight was starting to kick into the election fraud.
Troll elsewhere.
Sure thing. The last 3.5 years of “We got ‘em this time. You just wait. Trump’s playing 3-D chess” panned out, didn’t it. Go away with your Hope Porn. I am tired of reading it.
Bye bye!
Good bye.
I am not going to second guess President Trump and I recommend you refrain too.
for one, there is a genuine and well worn strategic interest in creating and designing information campaigns about ANY national security threat.
you just don’t show weakness…ever.
you show power by displaying it and using it.
but up until that moment arrives, there is ZERO strategic benefit in telegraphing what you know.
plot twist? trump KNOWS it was russia or a cutout, but this opportunity also offers him additional actions to control the narrative and throw china into the fray. See how this works? Yes, it’s deceit. But every single war ever won was based on some amount of deception. Every single one. Whether it is feinting a sword blow in the court yard, or putting your enemy at ease. Or throwing spoilers at another enemy to see if and when they blink.
This President is not what most people have painted him out to be. Yes, he would like to end pointless endless wars. But look at WHO those countries he has structured a demobilization? These are shithole countries that do not pose a significant threat to the US. There are much more formidable powerful enemies who make places like Iran and Afghanistan and Iraq even North Korea looks like chumps. Namely, China and Russia. Why NOT throw them BOTH into the crisis?
This is smart. It creates political and narrative space to take action. Some people have this idea that the US only “waits’ to action until provable attacks. Nope. That is NOT how the US operates. We are the number one super power militarily for a very clear reason: we provoke responses so we can control the fight. Saber rattling only gets you so much. Taking down two common enemies and treating the american people to understand they are both direct threats is very intelligent.
stay tuned. The next several weeks are going to be biblical.
You are correct. If those working to stop the steal are going to claim that a foreign actor hacked our voting machines, it doesnt change a blessed thing without EVIDENCE. No evidence of involvement by a FOREIGN ACTOR has been produced. If the DNI has it, HE NEEDS TO RELEASE IT.
I believe China and the globalists are to blame for the steal. But what I THINK and what ANYONE else thinks means NOTHING without EVIDENCE.
Which is why PDJT is hedging his statements on this subject.
For me, personally this is like “Was Covid a result of a lab accident, or did they deliberately release it?”
For my personal opinion, I don’t NEED evidence. It was engineered and released, DELIBERATELY.
Likewise cyber attacks, along with bioweopon attacks, are right out of the PLA/CCP war plan, for using asymetrical means to destroy the U.S.
TAKE NOTE, it also includes EMP to take down the grid.
But, thats just my opinion.
LIKE, like, like.
I have been discussing this possibility with friends. I think you are right to suggest this possibility!
Convenient when the marching orders by leftists have all been to get rid of cases BEFORE evidence can be presented, including SCOTUS hence your talking point of no evidence. Stay tuned. Information will come when the timing is optimal and have the most impact.
What is most interesting though is that you have perhaps revealed yourself.
There definitely was jimmy. More commies will expose themselves shortly.
Believe me sir, I do hope you are correct.
Thanks, Sundance, for keeping this most important information of foreign/China interference in our election (and much, much more). One Twitter account that was suspended for telling truths about china is IndoPac_002 – its new moniker. Amazing how we can continue to reinvent ourselves for the truth.
Amazing that corporate America a feels perfectly free to side with China, enslavement be damned.
Corporate America loves that cheap labor wherever found. Slaves were freed. Women demanded equal pay. Southern borders only supply blue collar laborers. Gotta go to China.
Gotta go to China is pure sarcasm
Tip: when you post something you intend as sarcasm, add “/s” a few spaces after the last period.
Corporate America is all about making huge profits. They’re not fussy about how they make them, who they deal with and who gets the short end of the stick. For the corporatist fascists, the bottom line comes before anything.
Who has the most to gain? Who has the most to lose by not disrupting this infrastructure? The answer is the same – China.
THIS!!!!
Cui bono?
Inside job maybe?
Fang Fang?
Total BS. Russia my azz.
Of course this story comes out to dwarf the Swallwell Chinese spy story & Hunter/Joe Biden Chinese connection. Coincidence? I think not. Nothing to see here….
Not really. It makes the Swalwell story even worse. Swalwell was the lookout on the security committee, who could provide an early warning of any detections. While the cyber crooks were inside cracking the safe, Swalwell was standing on the street corner watching for the coppers.
Why was the bank robbed and nothing taken? It is a diversion of course.
Why rob the bank when you own the bank?
To continue with the bank metaphor, my take is that what we detected is that someone jimmied the lock on the back door months ago and it has been unlocked ever since, providing constant access. We are now frantically searching not just for what they might have taken, but what they may have planted, like a device to be used later to blow the safe, bugging devices to use to steal everyone’s bank account info, something that would transfer all amounts in all accounts all at once and a device that then blows the building and all evidence. The problem, and therefore the threat, is ENORMOUS.
Furthermore, what if an agency which must not be named planted Russian footprints, a false flag, to trigger a US attack on Russia. The Russia hawks have been trying to trigger a hot war between the US and Russia for decades. And my take on that is still that those hawks are, knowingly or unknowingly, still doing China’s bidding, because China benefits from the US and Russia exhausting and expending themselves in a pointless war with each other, leaving China the only large power intact. Game over.
Because they were spying?
SolarWind’s Orion Network Manager software is remote network management, I believe.
https://www.solarwinds.com/solutions/orion
…”Centralized monitoring and management of your entire IT stack, from infrastructure to application
Scalable architecture that reaches across your physical, virtualized, and cloud IT environments
Ability to deploy on-premises, in virtualized environments, and in Microsoft Azure
Simple, secure, and integrated experience”…
How is Swalwell still in Congress???Shouldn’t he at least be made to resign? Ridiculous question, I know. ?
There is no “It’s Russia” vs. “It’s China”. Russia and China have been building cooperative bridges for years to try and counter the USA. They’re better thought of as Germany and Japan – the Axis powers of WWII.
To try and say it’s one or other is naïve and ignores all of the economic and military ties the two countries have made since the 1990’s. Russia needs a market for its oil and gas with the USA taking over as the world’s leading energy producer. China needs oil and gas to drive its economic growth.
It is far more likely that they have struck up an alliance than that either one of them is acting independently.
Yes
China-Russia-Iran
Great take on it. The deep state are just refusing to blame China AS WELL as Russia.
Makes sense
Given China’s clear penetration of the US Government we have to assume they have a lot of non-Chinese Americans on the payroll.
Ok, play along then. Russia hacked our voting machines – so DOD has to seize them to preserve evidence.
Nice.
When the media hacks are saying Russia! Russia! Russia! you be sure of one thing. IT AIN’T RUSSIA!!
It was China
agree! happy to see you !
China has the most to gain. Russia is in our doghouse no matter what. What’s up with Pompeo? Not that I trust him, but he has been pretty solid against the CCP.
As usual, Trumps people only know what the IC tells them
The IC has been screwing them for 5 years
Miller now heading DOD was head of military cyber intelligence prior. You may be surprised what the President knows
Those of us around during Soviet days remember that the same blindness to USSR evils permeated the Mockingbirds as now is granted to the PRC.
Now we are told to be at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia.
“The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”
― George Orwell, 1984
Or … it was our own people.
Who are also able to leave tracks pointing it to their target enemy state.
CIA, looking at you.
I checked to see if Solarwinds was part of Wikileaks Vault 7 release of CIA hacking tools.
https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_16384653.html
Highly likely.
I really hope so and that Miller, who used to run military cyber intelligence, caught them cold. Bury the CIA
Or is this the folks in the deepest part of the swamp giving another head fake???
China has been at war with America and on several fronts. Although cyber attacks are still behind payoffs to politicians.
plus fang fang bang bangs
The foreign intrusion into our election process coupled with the cyberattacks into our sensitive government systems and potentially corporate networks are/was an ACT OF WAR!
Agree 100% with Sundance that a forceful response needs to be delivered to the actors involved.
This is why I am here. Thank you Sundance.
I calling into question DNI Ratcliff- the article in Axios stating high level advisors are becoming concerned about Trump using the Govt in overturning the election.
Ratcliff needs to make a public statement.
I was wondering if it’s possible that all the intel groups lie to Ratcliffe and hide raw data from him.
Why doesn’t Trump demand that raw data is shown to both Ratcliffe and Trump himself?
Because he can DEMAND all he wants, they have shown they don’t respond.
The OFFICE of the POTUS has SOME power, but the man occupying it, considerably less.
Truman said the Oval office was the crown jewel of the Federal Prison System.
Our system was not set up to give the POTUS extraordinary powers, cause we didn’t want a potentate.
Over the years, the Legislature has usurped power from the Executive, that is THE PRESIDENT.
THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, could more accurately be said to work “for” the Legislature, than for the Executive.
If anyone thinks PDJT, or ANY President can just snap his fingers, and say ‘Make it so!’, they don’t understand reality.
Interesting, probable, logical and damn scary.
AMERICA FIRST – while we can.
Yes. Executive branch heads are defying the President because they know the DOJ won’t prosecute them. The President can only fire certain positions. The Administrative State has far more job protection and staying power because they’re career bureaucrats, not elected politicians.
Let me! Let me!
Axios is DC gossip. Yesterday they screwed up DOD not briefing Biden being mutually agreed to
NSA “about” queries = FBI FISA = SolarWinds access.
Each time they get shutdown, they have to find another way in.
That’s uniparty favorite hoe.
Didn’t the Ukrainians accuse CrowdStrike of planting this Russian program on them?
Q: Which intelligence service conducted massive criminal interference in the last Presidential election?
A: The American Intelligence Community. hmmm…
There is evidence that points to China, however: the overwhelming, desperate campaign by the Deep State/Media Industrial Complex to blame Russia.
ps, whoever it was might have accomplished their goal during the election and exited, leaving it to be “discovered”…
From the original reports it seems that the attack on Solar Winds Orion management software started around April of this year. It is claimed that it remained undetected until 7 days or so ago when the hackers attacked security company FireEye. If so it raises several curious points:
Why build what is one of the cleverest intrusions yet seen and then blow it? There are probably only three countries capable of pulling this off, China, Israel and of course the US. Russia and the UK might.
No doubt the President now knows. We may never find out.
when I go hunting for the wolf that killed my cattle, I don’t wrestle with the impossible task of PROVING which wolf did it.
I KILL EVERY WOLF in the region.
I even dance some cattle out on the perimeter to lure them in. Maybe that one did it …maybe not.
but when dealing with wolfs, one only needs to know one thing: they eat your cattle.
Solar winds sold there stock…
And look what happened to FireEye and Crowd strike share values:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/security-stocks-soar-as-solarwinds-hack-expected-to-lead-to-expensive-investigations-11608316840
Solar winds had contracts across government agencies; so did FireEye; many of the same agencies. Did FireEye provide the Orion software?
Some analysts are saying the attack is similar to Russia’s hacking of Ukraine, The program was called cosy bear.
Jumping so quickly as to “who done it” we’ve got them now, in my opinion leads to skepticism that it was the Russians.
An in your face attempt to clear China, compromised politicians and 3 letter agencies.
If the Russians had done it, they wouldn’t have left any Russian fingerprints.
Crowdstrike is fireeye..
Dymitri alpernovitch
https://www.crn.com/news/security/solarwinds-deploys-crowdstrike-to-secure-systems-after-hack
and IF it was russians, why not leave obvious cozy bear crumbs.? see what I am saying?
and if it was anyone, wouldn’t it be intelligent to create the patterns of a russian attribution…?
I mean If I am china, I am smurfing stuxnet and running it out of israel!
see what I am saying?
you can do this game exhaustively.
the difference?
US Military command elements DO KNOW…with precision.
the President KNOWS.
this is that moment when we will all be tested …to Trust our Command in Chief.
Has he ever misled the US people and made us weaker? Has President Trump done everything thought impossible by any other President in US history to make us all more secure and prosperous?
I’ll pick him every day of the week and twice on sundays.
Was probably China’s insurance policy in the event Trump won reelection.
Why would any foreign actor go through all the trouble to rob a bank and yet take nothing?…
You mean like the muggers that Murdered Seth Rich and didn’t take anything..but his life???
Like that??
Exactly like that.
To sent the cops in to rob/santize the place.
Same people in the FBI who murdered Seth Rich did the hack.
Naw, it was contractors. Just like the CIA outsources its “delicate” work. Plausible deniability.
Things just keep getting crazier all the time. The fact that a private company’s IT structure could somehow allow access to our government systems is unbelievable. Are our security experts incompetent or are there willing agents allowing these vulnerabilities to exist and be exploited?
The ostensible malware may actually come in human forms which have been allowed to insinuate themselves into so many areas of our corporate and government infrastructure. It’s certainly very obvious if the Democrats, who are already uncomfortably cozy with the Chinese, assume the power they stole, things are only going to get much worse.
The abject corruption throughout our government and private corporate structures seems to be ubiquitous. This election’s results are much more critical than just Trump prevailing. Our entire system seems to be in peril with so many quislings abetting the corruption. May God help us!
Seems like there was a group of brothers named Awan a while back that were infiltrating our government computer systems. Hmmmm…..
The 1st and only head of CISA, for 2 years, Krebs, was fired on or around 12 Nov 2020. CISA was BRAND NEW only 2 years ago. CISA came about after Jeh Johnson designated Election Systems as part of our Nation’s Critical Infrastrure on 7 Jan 2017 and put it under DHS. Think about that timing.
What CISA became was Rumour CONTROL Central. Don’t like dissenting voices? We have a way to silence them.
https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol
Jan. 7, 2017…two days before the OSh*t administration opened the door to renewed funding of gain of function research on January 9,2017. (Link’s posted previously.)
Could it all be a scenario?
Say the administration plans for two terms, and goes about reforming/restructuring agencies across the government.
At the end of the first term you test the restructuring to see what additional changes need to be made in the second term.
This could also apply to voting infrastructure, as well as the national emergency medical/research system response.
So why did POTUS downplay it?
To confuse our domestic enemies who are loyal to China?
He likes to wait until he has a big beautiful piece of chocolate cake in front of him first.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BSJNgLOl10I
Army leaders released a statement that they would not participate in a martial law order. So..I guess it will be up to the Marines.
Unless Xiden becomes President, then they are at his beck and call.
Then they should subject to a courts-martial.
The Comander and Chief’s orders are supreme. They refuse, they are gone……and should be in the brig.
Then move on to one that say aye aye sir!
Exactamundo!
Milley should get fired for that comment. Should have been fired long ago. Donald J. Trump is the Commander in Chief. It is him and only him who determines when and where the military will be deployed oe removed. Military leadership have been lying to him about troop levels, i.e., keeping more troops than the CiC ordered and hiding it. That is insubordination at the highest level and could be considered traitorous. Milley’s comment comes very close to saying he will not follow the CiC’s orders unless he agrees with those orders. He has no choice. Like the IC, the military elite has been allowed to assume to much power and they are just as politically biased.
Fire their asses.
Over 10, 15 years ago I watched a CSPAN special on this exact topic. It was a Fed gov’t meeting, and the issues discussed showed we were woefully behind the Chinese. A few specifics:
1. They educate 10x, or more, IT professionals. (We load up on lawyers.)
2. They had at least 10x the number of hackers roving the planet. The number was either 30,000 or 300,000 hackers. I’m inclined to say 300k.
3. China was already extensively probing our Federal computer networks. This is nothing new.
4. The no. 1 computer destination? Topics concerning Taiwan
5. It may have been a different discussion, but some genius (SARCASM) decided to put our DOD and / or Pentagon networks online – connected to the Internet. Ridiculous!
I hope we also prioritize our nuclear installations. And states like California are notoriously behind in updating systems, and fail when they try.
Russia? The failed state? Why? Limited resources & motive.
Crispy Creme immediately floating China is another red flag & contra indicator.
Consult w our brothers, Israel. Extremely sharp & shrewd individuals.
Israel probably already knows, but they also know that our 3 letter groups would do more harm than good, if they tried to help us.
And then there’s that bit about outsourcing all our high tech jobs that happened…
With PDJT in office China has everything to lose.. They are desperate. Desperate enough to unleash a biological attack to create chaos. The Chinese government is totally committed to world domination.. The end justify the mean..
No no no no..
The old CEO of Dominion testified… Dominion did not use the “whole” solar winds product…
I thought the use of the qualifier “whole” as a way to avoid prosecution for lying’’… so if you use 90 % of the package it is not the whole package..
Also interesting was the term… “not designed to connect to the internet”. is an interesting statement.. he openly admits to lan networks tying equipment together.. on a PC. but he would not elaborate on the possibility of the PC being attached to the internet.. repeatedly says.. not designed.. looks like a play on words.. and a lie.
MAGA
And routers and e supposed to be disabled
He’s a word dancer. This is a much better representation of what we were up against in 2020, from all the horses own mouths.
2020 Election Security: Perspectives from Voting System Vendors and Experts
9 Jan 2020
Orwell’s Animal Farm: “Whenever anything went wrong it became usual to attribute it to Snowball. If a window was broken or a drain was blocked up, someone was certain to say that Snowball had come in the night and done it, and when the key of the store-shed was lost, the whole farm was convinced that Snowball had thrown it down the well. Curiously enough, they went on believing this even after the mislaid key was found under a sack of meal.”
Russia is the new Snowball. BTW, Xi and Xiden, the new Napoleon.
When we find who did this cyber attack, who controlled the election machines, who controls congress and all of DC will we have the Deep State. Is the Deep State, China? Are all these people controlled by China? Has China bribed and bought their way into all of America?
The Deep Sate is the British Crown. China is its current proxy.
As a Brit I kinda wish that was true. It is far more likely that the International Deep State is based on the banking dynasties that started the Fed. Some of them might have operations and housing in Britain but our Royal family may be very wealthy but it just doesn’t have the brainpower to be a major player. I present Prince Andrew as an example.
How about your Privy Council? Enough brain power there? Mark Malloch Brown & Co.?
I think the world is controlled by a handful of multi-billionaires, including the British Crown.
I was listening to Bannon today, and it was stated from Col. Schaefer that entrance was through a privately owned company here in the US, or at least that is the current thinking… Who has infiltrated most all US corporations? It certainly is not Russia. Just something to chew on, China makes more sense to me, especially if it allows them into the Dominion machines. Pretty obvious few if any of these machines were secure.
One possibility is not being mentioned.
What if is Google?
I sense a more global coordinating force.
Google has fingers in every cyber pie on the planet.
I think it’s Googler and Zuckface.
I have no basis in this other than my reading people as people and their behavior. I genuinely think Zuckerberg is just a pawn or patsy. His network was so powerful he was overwhelmed by the CIA and China IMO and basically just to stay alive he’s parroting what they tell him. Just my opinion of course.
Dorsey on the other hand is a little shit stain SJW. He’s going to be my favorite of all the scum taken down. I’ll enjoy zuckerbeg too for being a weak pissant. But Dorsey is Antifa. I hope they accidentally discharge a shot in his crotch when arresting him.
Hey! Hi Spar!
In the past, I’ve planned, installed and configured SolarWinds for clients non-Windows systems.
It really could have been anyone or even more than one party that gained access to systems.
In one way, I’m actually a bit surprised reading media reactions to the reported breach. This is not the first time systems have been breached, nor is China slowly copying all data from a target system.
With all the known connections now between Dems and Chyna spies, were they deliberately let into the system to cause more chaos. Is this a follow up to the Chyna virus.
Our country is divided against itself so it makes us vulnerable to foreign attacks. I feel like they are lying in wait and testing the waters.
Or, it’s neither Russia or China but the hidden government that has been quietly putting into place its dream of one-world government, perhaps a Soros type enterprise, utilizing retired biggies like the former head of Google, or a former President who happens to have a house down the road from the White House, or former administration personnel such as Sec. of State, who like to cozy up to Iranians, another who likes to be paid to play, those type of people who think it’s time to make their one-world move?
Those type of individuals, thinking once The Fraud puts his Dark Winter into place, those behind the scenes would then have access of all US government computers, intelligence, codes, treasury such as disbursement of social security checks, would certainly come in handy for implementing such a grand design.
It could be anyone or any combination of governments and individuals thereof; that is, if I was going to imagine why someone would gain access, not do anything, but simply have the ability to case the joint and wait to make their move, at their leisure.
I read somewhere that Fang Fang’s Congressional boytoy has a lot of big-money Chinese American donors. Just sayin.
There is a not small contingent of Chinese on the West Coast that live in Chinese dominated communities, use Chinese banks, real estate agents, markets, doctors, hi tech start ups, etc. Take it for what you will. It’s not 2nd generation moves to the suburbs and rolls out the BBQ; many suburbs are almost exclusively Asian, and there doesn’t seem to be the same level of assimilation for all.
Anyone notice that the Generals mutinied today? Milley and the Army Gens came out and said they will not be a part of Martial Law. Pretty good sign that the country has been overthrown.
I believe that was posted today but it’s an older story. From summer maybe?
Milley, yes. I believed the Army statement is new. Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy and Army chief of staff Gen. James McConville released a statement Friday saying they will not participate in a martial law order following the stolen election.
Marines answer directly the President, no?
Yes, now we know which TRAITORS we must neutralize first..
ATTENTION: Any more rocket scientists out there WHO PLAN TO DEFY OUR COMMANDER IN CHIEF, speak now or hold your peace!
Its a good job that last month the President first changed the Secretary of Defence and then took SOCOM (all US special forces) away from the Joint Chiefs and put it under the direct control of the Secretary.
Incidentally, and no doubt purely a coincidence, LHD 7, the Marine amphibious assault group has just moved up the eastern seaboard from Florida, whilst there is LHD 2 in San Diego.
They don’t get to choose.
This tweet sums it up. The Democommunist politicians, IC, and MSM propagandists and co-conspirators hide behind Mother Russia’s skirt and reduce our national security. Meanwhile the beloved CCP goes unchecked.
They are blaming Russia so when Trump seizes the voting machines and finds the evidence they will say Russia was in access of solar winds since March and must have changed the data at the last second to help Trump.
Shawn Henry of FBI-CrowdStrike likely did the hack.
If an I.T. person/group hacks a complex system and doesn’t take anything, it is because the only thing they wanted was access to some other system. It is the other system that was the target. The doorway was the hacked system. Via the hacked system, the target system is used for purpose intended.
Change votes? Install a permanent back door? Install command/control malware?
The clients of SolarWinds / Orion need to reboot to a restorable image prior to the “update” or seriously compare their restorable image to a current image and see what changed within the executable files.
Active Directory applies to MS operating systems, RSAT (Remote System Administration Tools).
The Linux equivalent is FreeIPA or OpenLDAP.
If nothing was stolen, something was changed or modified. That alone is worrisome.
Sanitize initial entry.
Cops show up per invitation.. same playbook as dnc hack
LDAP vs Active Directory info
https://www.varonis.com/blog/the-difference-between-active-directory-and-ldap/
Regardless of how it was done, something was changed. Nobody breaks into something and takes nothing. They leave something or change something. China/Russia/DNC . They opened a door for a reason.
Our entire government has been run of, by and for China for decades. The Clintons sold them ICBM tech, the Bidens sold them aircraft stabilizers, Obama sold them our ports and every personnel file the government owns. Fauci gives them study grants and funds the Wuhan Lab where he hides all his CoronaVirus patents. NASA’s spy chief had to resign recently…any guesses?
400,000 Chinese students attend the universities taxpayers built for American children. Half of our governors are on the Chinese payroll–hey, Brian!–and half of our presidential candidates, too. Not to mention Pelosi, Feinstein and 100% of our Senate Majority Leaders.
But RussiaRussiaRussia–you know, the thing.
Don’t forget the Bush’s contribution to all that.
“A third angel blew his trumpet [judgment] and a great star [earthly power] fell from the heavens…the name of the star is Wormwood [terrible calamity]…and it fell on a third of the rivers [Three Gorges ?] and many died in the waters…” Rev 8:10-11
Ugh, no
First thing I told my wife… Russia… Russia… Russia…. naw don’t think so. When gov officials and the media say Russia.. I say China!!!! I’m still betting China. Read ” Defense Minister Chi Haotian” speech around circa 2005.
The answer to the question is, to be a distraction for something else. Watch the birdie, because the other hand is up to no good.
In this case, a foreign actor provides cover for the DNC up to their old tricks. Didn’t the DNC use the Russia hoax as cover for the DNC machinations leading up to and during the 2016 elections? Why, sure they did. This is the same old story.
Guess I don’t know the entire story but could this just be another false flag by CIA….I mean if this was known to happen 6 months ago and it comes out now….who put this out? why now? Plus the President would have known 6 months ago? What has been done about it so far?
I agree with Sundance. I agree with President Trump.I think it was China. They could have helped the Democrats & the idiot Lincoln Project cheat in our 2020 election as well! All actors should pay dearly.
It’s worth noting that Sidney Powell thinks the “foreign involvement” was widespread—most likely stretching over several years—includs this latest attack, and was carried out by Russia, China, and Iran. I think she has a point. The coup has been going on for over 4 years, The attempts to unseat the president, steal the election, and penetrate our closely guarded assets cannot be separated.
She may be technically correct but I’d lay odds that China accounts for 90+% of the election interference.
I believe that China wants us to think it’s Russia. They would like nothing more than for us to go to war with them.
Hopefully they’re looking closer to home as well. Our intelligence agencies are out of control.
Let’s not forget Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the Awan brothers access thru many Dem Legislators. They got hundreds of thousands and were just let go.
Don’t forget the British. Remember Strozk and Page went to London along with Bill Priestep? Five Eyes and especially London have been involved in spying on US and probably helping our enemies as well. They don’t want President Trump upsetting their corrupt schemes. The government is as swampy as DC is.
Why run off shore to look for suspects…Silicon Valley is perfectly capable and motivated to generate this problem…
If it is our own people who did this breach, then doesn’t it call for The Insurrection Act?
China has been paying far too many in our government to be shills for them. Not that I would trust Russia either, but China has a far higher interest in removing Trump than I see from Russia. Funny how President Trump was labeled as a Russian agent, only now to be a victim of Russia…
Interesting timing of the Chinese Virus coming on the heels of the trade agreement which had been fought against by China, then this information with potential election fraud and cyber security issues, and the list of the agents actively working throughout the world. Yet, our “leaders”, especially Biden, have strong ties – financial ties – to China. And China loves to act like a little panda bear and point fingers away from themselves toward Russia. I just don’t buy their act, and I don’t buy their grubby fingers being involved in spying in companies, investing in companies, just for potential fiscal profits.
“Yet, our “leaders”, especially Biden, have strong ties – financial ties – to China.”
If slow joe lived to be 10k years old he would still NEVER be my “leader.”
China is one of countless other reasons why. In my mind the weird thing is, since NOBODY on the Left is ever held accountable, it hardly matters what their crimes are anymore. There is no down side for them, so they continue on. Venal corruption, treason… what’s the dif anymore.
True dat. So does Biden actually make it to inauguration day, or does he get lost in his feeble-mindedness along the way, a la Hindenburg, and hand the reigns of power to a younger, stronger democrat? With the best of intentions, of course.
More than “interesting”; its all right out of the PLA/CCP playbook, for how they will fight a war with the U.S.
Recognising they can’t win in a conventiinal war, their war plan lays out asymetrical warfare, including exploiting trade, corruption/infiltration of both political parties, government at all levels, democratic institutions, cyber attacks, BIO-WEOPON attacks, even EMP.
The VIRUS was an attack, this solar winds was an attack, gordon chang, in the other article on home page explains how they used AI, to identify people who would be “open” to being recruited for Antifa/BLM, then through the Houston consulate, they recruited them, sending them tik-tok videos on how to riot, and then PAID them.
THATS why the Chinese Consulate in Houston was shut down. Should shut down the other four, as well.
We are in a WAR, with an implacable, unconscionable enemy, of 94 million (members of CCP) that believes they are destined to rule the World.
Yes, and also want to come here kill us off because there’s not enough landmass for both them and us.
Paraphrasing Mark Twain here: Everyone complains about the steal, but nobody ever does anything about it.
Unless we take up arms against the slings and arrows of our misfortune, we will help to usher in the new age of Marxitalism.
I agree it was China. They are like the Democrats; no moral scruples the goal is to win at all cost. Remember how President Trump had them on the ropes before “pandemic”? They were struggling and Xi was upset with the ambassador and with President Trump for exposing Huwaei?
So they already had been working with Fauci and Gates – after the US pulled funding for the virus research, Fauci took it o Wuhan and ensured they had grants to develop it.
Remember that President Trump was making trade deals with India and Japan to develop medicines and remove that from China? He already brought steel home, and he was bringing more and more industries back to the US from China. The USMCA blocked many of the back doors that China was using to undercut American companies.
President Trump is a real threat to the CCP and that’s why they must destroy him (and us) so they can conquer the US through the Democrats.