I respect Dinesh D’Souza. However, on this issue I also disagree intensely.
The foundation of D’Souza’s reason for why he does not support a new political party, a MAGA or Patriot or (__fill in blank__) party, appears flawed. By saying a new party would only split the GOP, D’Souza is actually making the argument that creates Battered Conservative Syndrome; the DeceptiCon argument that protects the GOP wing. WATCH:
When the Tea Party rose to power and primaried a host of GOP politicians, it was the Republican party that attacked the conservative base and attempted to destroy the rebellion. McCain called us “hobbits” and McConnell called us “jihadists.” The threat from the Tea Party was felt amid the GOP. The GOP was *not* going to adjust.
Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama destroyed the center of their political party called the Blue Dog coalition, represented by Bart Stupak. The Blue Dogs were wiped out in 2010 because Democrats forced them into radical left-wing agenda items.
A new party, ie. ‘THE’ new party, would not be a carve out within the Republican club. A new party would be a coalition party of Democrats, Republicans and Independents. Need proof of the scale, look at the 2020 election for Trump. That’s the (fill__blank) party.
A new party would be a SECOND party to the UniParty occupants currently pushing more big government in Washington DC. The fact that we have decades worth of evidence (Patriot Act, Wall Street Lobbyists, K-St. etc.), and specifically the past ten years (omnibus spending bills, limitless debt ceiling, massive wasted stimulus, political bailouts, QE1/QE2, Obamacare, college tuition takeover etc.) shows that both Democrats and Republicans are two wings of the same big government bird.
The fear of “splitting the GOP” is the weaponized talking point of the GOP leadership who use that fear as a weapon to remain in power. Those who listen to that threat are suffering from battered conservative syndrome.
There is nothing conservative about expanding government, spending into oblivion, allowing open borders and simultaneously removing liberty and freedom. What exactly is being “conserved”? CTH has been making this argument for years.
This example from 2015 rings just as true today:
2015 – A few days ago I took the time to read Jonah Goldberg’s expressed concerns about the support for Donald Trump and the state of current conservative opinion.
Toward that end I have also noted additional GOP media present a similar argument, and I took the time to consider.
While we are of far lesser significance and influence, I hope you will consider this retort with the same level of consideration afforded toward your position.
The challenging aspect to your expressed opinion, and perhaps why there is a chasm between us, is you appear to stand in defense of a Washington DC conservatism that no longer exists.
I hope you will indulge these considerations and correct me where I’m wrong.
On December 23rd 2009 Harry Reid passed a version of Obamacare through forced vote at 1:30am. The Senators could not leave, and for the two weeks previous were kept in a prolonged legislative session barred returning to their home-state constituencies. It was, by all measures and reality, a vicious display of forced ideological manipulation of the upper chamber. I share this reminder only to set the stage for what was to follow.
Riddled with anxiety we watched the Machiavellian manipulations unfold, seemingly unable to stop the visible usurpation. Desperate for a tool to stop the construct we found Scott Brown and rallied to deliver $7 million in funding, and a “Kennedy Seat” victory on January 19th 2010.
Unfortunately, the trickery of Majority Leader Harry Reid would not be deterred. Upon legislative return he stripped a House Budgetary bill, and replaced it with the Democrat Senate version of Obamacare through a process of “reconciliation”. Thereby avoiding the 3/5ths vote rule (60) and instead using only a simple majority, 51 votes.
Angered, we rallied to the next election (November 2010) and handed the usurping Democrats the single largest electoral defeat in the prior 100 years. The House returned to Republican control, and one-half of the needed Senate seats reversed. Within the next two election cycles (’12 and ’14) we again removed the Democrats from control of the Senate.
Within each of those three elections we were told Repealing Obamacare would be job #1. It was not an optional part of our representative agreement to do otherwise.
From your own writing:
[…] If you want a really good sense of the damage Donald Trump is doing to conservatism, consider the fact that for the last five years no issue has united the Right more than opposition to Obamacare. Opposition to socialized medicine in general has been a core tenet of American conservatism from Day One. Yet, when Republicans were told that Donald Trump favors single-payer health care, support for single-payer health care jumped from 16 percent to 44 percent. (link)
With control of the House and Senate did Majority Leader Mitch McConnell or House Speaker John Boehner use the same level of severity expressed by Harry Reid to put a repeal bill on the desk of Obama for veto? Simply, NO.
Why not? According to you it’s the “core tenet of American conservatism”.
If for nothing but to accept and follow the will of the people. Despite the probability of an Obama veto, this was not a matter of option. While the method might have been “symbolic”, due to the almost guaranteed veto, it would have stood as a promise fulfilled.
Yet you speak of “core tenets” and question our “trust” of Donald Trump?
We are not blind to the maneuverings of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and President Tom Donohue. We are fully aware the repeal vote did not take place because the U.S. CoC demanded the retention of Obamacare.
Leader McConnell followed the legislative priority of Tom Donohue as opposed to the will of the people. This was again exemplified with the passage of TPPA, another Republican construct which insured the Trans-Pacific Trade Deal could pass the Senate with 51 votes instead of 3/5ths.
We are not blind to the reality that when McConnell chooses to change the required voting threshold he is apt to do so. Not coincidentally, the TPP trade deal is another legislative priority of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
Yet you question the “trustworthiness” of Donald Trump’s conservatism?
Another bill, the Iran “agreement”, reportedly and conveniently not considered a “treaty”, again we are not blind. Nor are we blind to Republican Bob Corker’s amendment (Corker/Cardin Amendment) changing ratification to a 67-vote-threshold for denial, as opposed to a customary 67 vote threshold for passage. A profound difference.
Yet you question the “ideological conservative principle” of Donald Trump?
Perhaps your emphasis is on the wrong syllable. Perhaps you should be questioning the “ideological conservative principle” of Mitch McConnell, or Bob Corker; both of whom apparently working to deny the will of the electorate within the party they are supposed to represent. Of course, this would force you to face some uncomfortable realities. I digress.
Another example – How “conservative” is Lisa Murkowski?
A senator who can lose her Republican primary bid, yet run as a write-in candidate, and return to the Senate with full seniority and committee responsibilities?
Did Reince Preibus (then RNC Chair), or a republican member of leadership meet the returning Murkowski and demand a Pledge of Allegiance to the principles within the Republican party?
Yet you question the “allegiances” of Donald Trump?
Perhaps within your purity testing you need to forget minority leader Mitch McConnell working to re-elect Senator Thad Cochran, fundraising on his behalf in the spring/summer of 2014, even after Cochran lost the first Mississippi primary?
Perhaps you forget the NRSC spending money on racist attack ads? Perhaps you forget the GOP paying Democrats to vote in the second primary to defeat Republican Chris McDaniel. The “R” in NRSC is “Republican”.
Perhaps you forget. We do not.
Yet you question the “principle” of those who have had enough, and are willing to support candidate Donald Trump.
You describe yourself as filled with anxiety because such supporters do not pass some qualified “principle” test? Tell that to the majority of Republicans who supported Chris McDaniel and found their own party actively working against them.
Principle? You claim “character matters” as part of this consideration. Where is the “character” in the fact-based exhibitions outlined above?
Remember Virginia 2012, 2013? When the conservative principle-driven electorate changed the method of candidate selection to a convention and removed the party stranglehold on their “chosen candidates”. Remember that? We do.
What did McConnell, the RNC and the GOP do in response with Ken Cuccinelli, they actively spited him and removed funding from his campaign. To teach us a lesson? Well it worked, we learned that lesson.
Representative David Brat was part of that lesson learned and answer delivered. Donald Trump is part of that lesson learned and answer forthcoming – yet you speak of “character”.
You speak of being concerned about Donald Trump’s hinted tax proposals. Well, who cut the tax rates on lower margins by 50% thereby removing any tax liability from the bottom 20% wage earners? While simultaneously expanding the role of government dependency programs?
That would be the GOP (“Bush Tax Cuts”)
What? How dare you argue against tax cuts, you say. The “Bush Tax Cuts” removed tax liability from the bottom 20 to 40% of income earners completely. Leaving the entirety of tax burden on the upper 60% wage earners. Currently, thanks to those cuts, 49% of tax filers pay ZERO federal income tax.
But long term it’s much worse. The “Bush Tax Cuts” were, in essence, created to stop the post 9/11/01 recession – and they contained a “sunset provision” which ended ten years later specifically because the tax cuts were unsustainable.
The expiration of the lower margin tax cuts then became an argument in the election cycle of 2012. And as usual, the GOP, McConnell and Boehner were insufferably inept during this process.
The GOP (2002) removed tax liability from the lower income levels, and President Obama then (2009) lowered the income threshold for economic subsidy (welfare, food stamps, ebt, medicaid, etc) this was brutally predictable.
This lower revenue higher spending approach means – lower tax revenues and increased pressure on the top tax rates (wage earners) with the increased demand for tax spending created within the welfare programs. Republicans focus on the “spending” without ever admitting they, not the Democrats, lowered rates and set themselves up to be played with the increased need for social program spending, simultaneously.
Is this reality/outcome not ultimately a “tax the rich” program?
As a consequence what’s the difference between the Republicans and Democrats on taxes?
All of a sudden Republicans are arguing to “broaden the tax base”. Meaning, reverse the tax cuts they created on the lower income filers? This is a conservative position now? A need to “tax the poor”? Nice of the Republicans to insure the Democrats have an atomic sledgehammer to use against them.
This is a winning strategy? This is the “conservatism” you are defending because you are worried about Donald Trump’s principles, character or trustworthiness.
Here’s a list of those modern conservative “small(er) government” principles:
• Did the GOP secure the border with control of the White House and Congress? NO.
• Did the GOP balance the budget with control of the White House and Congress? NO.
• Who gave us the TSA? The GOP
• Who gave us the Patriot Act? The GOP
• Who expanded Medicare to include prescription drug coverage? The GOP
• Who created the precursor of “Common Core” in “Race To the Top”? The GOP
• Who played the race card in Mississippi to re-elect Thad Cochran? The GOP
• Who paid Democrats to vote in the Mississippi primary? The GOP
• Who refused to support Ken Cuccinnelli in Virginia? The GOP
• Who supported Charlie Crist? The GOP
• Who supported Arlen Spector? The GOP
• Who supported Bob Bennett? The GOP
• Who worked against Marco Rubio? The GOP
• Who worked against Rand Paul? The GOP
• Who worked against Ted Cruz? The GOP
• Who worked against Mike Lee? The GOP
• Who worked against Jim DeMint? The GOP
• Who worked against Ronald Reagan? The GOP
• Who said “I think we are going to crush [the Tea Party] everywhere.”? The GOP (McConnell)
• Who worked against Donald Trump? The GOP
And, you wonder why we’re frustrated, desperate for a person who can actually articulate some kind of push-back? Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are what the GOP give us?
SERIOUSLY?
Which leads to the next of your GOP talking points. Where you opine on Fox:
“Politics is a game where you don’t get everything you want”
Fair enough. But considering we of questionable judgment have simply been demanding common sense, ie. fiscal discipline, a BUDGET would be nice.
The last federal budget was passed in September of 2007, and EVERY FLIPPING INSUFFERABLE YEAR we have to go through the predictable fiasco of a Government Shutdown Standoff and/or a Debt Ceiling increase specifically because there is NO BUDGET!
That’s a strategy?
That’s the GOP strategy? Essentially: Lets plan for an annual battle against articulate Democrats and Presidential charm, using a creepy guy who cries and another old mumbling fool who dodders, knowing full well the MSM is on the side of the other guy to begin with?
THAT’S YOUR GOP STRATEGY? Don’t tell me it’s not, because if it wasn’t there’d be something else being done – there isn’t.
And don’t think we don’t know the 2009 “stimulus” became embedded in the baseline of the federal spending, and absent of an actual budget it just gets spent and added to the deficit each year, every year. Yet this is somehow smaller fiscal government?
….And you’re worried about what Donald Trump might do?
Seriously?
Here’s the actual argument – each party will fight tooth and nail to not allow a new party on ballots. A take over of the Republican party is quicker.
A NEW party of Republicans, Independents, Democrats, libertarians et al sends a strong message…
WE ARE DONE!
I’m seeing it everywhere, not just here, EVERYWHERE!!
Thanks Sundance!
I am out too! no more GOP!
My new party is “Unaffiliated”
No more voting for the GOP
No more $$$$
No more knocking on doors
Agree – We need to create a MAGA party – called the American Party
I kind of like the “Freedom Party”.
You’d only be able to take it over if there were term limits…
Term limits would merely empower unelected Congressional staffers and bureaucratic Deep Staters more than they already are.
Although I have argued against a third party and for developing and running challengers to incumbents, I’m not sure we’d ever be able to elect a challenger if the current fraudulent voting system – or anything similar – remains in place.
We should all be aware of the now-proven fact that the current electronic voting systems can be easily rigged to “count” (manufacture, alter, etc.) enough votes to award a win to whichever candidate in an election for which the state executive leadership (incl. Governor, AG, Secy of State) and or the local (statewide) party organization has chosen to retain (as incumbent) or promote (as a successful challenger).
Only if the new 3rd party candidate receives an overwhelmingly large percentage of registered voters could we ram through a win by making the rigging or fraudulent vote too obvious to succeed without serious controversy and challenges.
And their party allies.
The Democrats successfully sued to keep the Green Party off ballots in 2020. Twitter suspended the account of the Green Party candidate with the excuse that it was impersonating the Green Party candidate.
The Rinos crushed the Tea Party within the GOP.
The ruling elite (in their minds) were putting the peasants in their place. That’s the dynamic going on. They no longer serve us, they serve themselves.
I am sure many a RINO purchased their office using the Dominion system. They don’t need us or want us in their club. We can evict them if we can get honest primaries.
This is bigger than the Tea Party. President Trump brings together more voters of all types (insert your category here) than any other candidate. The GOP is dead. They just don’t know it yet but they will when all their RINO azzes are primaried and defeat.
If you have enough people, I don’t think they can keep you off the ballot.
Democrats did it to the Green Party. Found trivial errors in the filing of their paperwork and had their candidates removed from the ballots. Wisconsin was one of the states.
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Not necessarily would the new party be clear of RINOs. There would immediately be offers to fund candidates who would over promise for us but then once elected return to the same fecklessness as RINOs.
A new party would have to have strong and proven reliable sources of funding plus be able to vet their candidates backgrounds very thoroughly.
IMHO the Tea Party failed not for lack of enthusiasm, but for lack of leadership with the wisdom to anticipate and have a strategy AND tactical plan ready to counter the withering and dishonest attack by the GOP. And this can only be considered Monday morning quarterbacking because I’d never witnessed a viable third party attempt before. Ross Perot ran as an Independent.
I tried to join a local tea party but was rebuffed by their obtuseness and lack of strategy. OTOH, my wife’s cousin, who lived in northern Georgia at the time, was the head of a active and somewhat successful local tea party group.
You are absolutely right.
Yup! You have it.
K.I.S.S. Keep it simple, stupid! Reclaim the GOP for We the People.
Let the uniparty consolidate under the demoncrat party, create a RINO party, or preferably, take up fentanyl injections as a hobby and let nature take its course.
Which ones are worth keeping?
How do we replace the RNC?
I’m looking forward to becoming a charter member of the new PITA (Pain In The Ass) Party, with Donald J Trump as our standard bearer. We may not win national elections for a few years, but we will make the DC establishment miserable from day 1.
We can do that! Starting today.
Change voter registration online.
Use it now, or bookmark it for later.
https://www.usa.gov/change-voter-registration
I love the new party name lol
Sundance, well played my friend, my loyal friend…..
I am willing to walk on my path alone but I will never vote straight Republican ever again until I see them walk in the shadow of DJT. The time for games is over. We see the field of battle and you are either a Patriot or a Traitor. From here on out, we support the Patriots and spurn the Traitors. Party matters not.
I will never vote Republican again. A new party is the best solution. Mitt Romney intends on being the head of the repub party. Never will I ever vote for him.
Anyone who uses the following excuses is a RINO:
Just vote a GOP straight ticket
We can primary them later
Just hold your nose AND VOTE GOP.
they are the lesser of 2 evils
The Dems are worse
NO MORE EXCUSES FROM RINOS!
NO MORE KEEPING US IN LINE!
NEW PARTY!
Symbols are inportant… the Republican name needs to be smashed to pieces…A fitting legacy for Mitch McConnell and his cronies’s treachery….and right now, there are enough of us to actually do it..strike when the irons hot
I agree with the notion that the new party is at least 20% non-republican. The new party will not even get off the ground if the current republican media dives in and takes over like they did to Trump. That 20% will disappear.
Also, any talk about conservatism is a non-starter for those 20%. The new party must be MAGA and MAGA sometimes is antithetical to conservatism. It’s my belief that Trump is not a conservative but his policies produce results that please conservatives. Trumps policies are actually rooted in all the things that have been on this website for the past 5 years. Business, economics as a weapon, main street, american worker first, etc.
By the way, Perot was the first MAGA candidate.
You are absolutely right about Perot, even more than Pat Buchanan I would say. I think Ross was a populist along the lines of older traditions like that were very popular in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Buchanan is often called the first MAGA candidate, but in more ways he was probably the last Reagan style traditional Conservative candidate.
My kind of loyalty was loyalty to one’s country, not to its institutions or its officeholders. The country is the real thing, the substantial thing, the eternal thing; it is the thing to watch over, and care for, and be loyal to; institutions [and this includes the Republican Party] are extraneous, they are its mere clothing, and clothing can wear out, become ragged, cease to be comfortable, cease to protect the body from winter, disease, and death [and fraudulent elections and deprivation of human rights].
– Mark Twain, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court
In the 19th century the New Republican Party replaced the Whigs and the Republic survived (and thrived). A MAGA party could do the same for this country once more, leaving the RINO’s to whither away and let the country choose between the Uniparty Socialists and the MAGA Lion.
I say bring it on. The MAGA Lion can trace its roots back to Lincoln and Jefferson and the true spirit of the country’s founding.
I would say that it all depends on the naming of the party and who leads it. The Democrat party is as far from a democracy as one can imagine. They are out and out communists/fascists which are two sides of the same coin.
I say we name the new party the “Constitutional” party and invite all who are tired of the RINO party and all America loving conservative democrat (former now) constituents to join up. No more left or right, it is either in the constitution or it is not. If it is not, then any law that fails the test against that metric gets tossed. No more grey areas or penumbras.
This applies to the Supreme Court too. If you do not support the constitution in full you do not get considered for the post.
Constitution Party already exists; Constitutional Party would get confused with them.
Roger SImon (formerly at Pajama Media, now at hthe Epoch Times, has a different take, Sundance:
“Reading Glenn Reynolds’ heartening article in the NY Post —’It’s time for the ‘Deplorables’ to become the Unconquerables’—inspired me to say something I’ve been thinking for a while.
It’s time for the “Deplorables” fully to take over the Republican Party.
Some have suggested starting a new party—and I can understand that, given the frustrations—but why go to the trouble when you have the numbers to have all the power? An existing party apparatus is sitting there and is there for the taking. Let’s do it.
Just to be clear—who do I mean by the “deplorables”? They are the decent, hard-working Americans of all classes that revere our democratic republic and our founding documents and deplore (in the real sense of the word) the Deep State and the dominance of Washington DC over our lives.
They reject bureaucracy, the uni-party of insiders, and the dangerous Orwellian pervasiveness of Big Tech and its social media tentacles replete with censorship and thought control.
They also seek to preserve liberty and the capitalist system of open markets, while opposing, with all their strength, the incursions of socialism and communism into our country through the influence of the Communist Party of China and others on and in our media, religious institutions, entertainment and educational system.
Above all, they adamantly support our Bill of Rights with freedom of speech and worship and the right to bear arms impregnable.
As of now, these “deplorables” are at least seventy-four million strong—and are, in essence, more unified than any other group, even though sometimes they do not realize it.
This movement is only partly about Donald Trump. He can be looked upon as a founding father of this renewal of American values but, as he himself has said on multiple occasions, this is about us.In any case, like all of us, Trump will not be here forever, even if he ultimately wins the 2020 election or runs again in 2024.
New leadership must be found and, in the tradition of Trump, we should be free to look outside the political class, just as our founders hoped. In fact, that should be a hallmark of this renewed Republican Party, bringing forth candidates from all contributing walks of American life.
New perspectives will work to the benefit of all. In actuality, conservatives are the more natural innovators—as Trump demonstrated in the Middle East, for example—liberals and progressives the conformists. This does not mean that professional politicians should necessarily be excluded. They should be evaluated, as all should be, and not given a laissez-passer to a position of power.
A good starting point in this evaluation of the existing political class is their reactions to the 2020 election. Those who quickly opted for a “business as usual” response that was and is not merited should be disdained and replaced. Political power in our culture has become, has been for years, a passageway to wealth.
The new Republican Party should be the party Cincinattus, of those who come to serve the public good temporarily before returning to their private lives, not to profit from a lengthy sojourn in the nation’s capitol.
We should consequently encourage term limits.
In what now seems like a distant America, Democratic house speaker Tip O’Neill told us “All politics is local.” He was right then, but only partially right now in the internet age. Nevertheless, we must act locally, taking over as many state and city Republican Party institutions as possible. This must be begun immediately as the forces of reaction and stasis—call them RINOs, NeverTrumpers or whatever you want—are moving in quickly to take advantage of a likely illusory Biden victory. . . . While many are depressed over a stolen election, as Reynolds pointed out in his article, a rebirth can come from it. Whatever evil has occurred, we—the “deplorables”—have shown ourselves to be the most united force extant and the most powerful, should we choose to take it.
Way to keep it short.
Wethal- 1000 LIKES ^^^^^ Spot on. Thanks for posting.
It is a fool’s errand to go through the hell of starting a third party. There is not time and there is simply no reason to do so. Our President Trump and the Deplorables already own the GOP lock stock and barrel.
Let the current crop of RINO scum go and form their own party. They are no longer welcome in OUR Republican party. We can pull the plug on them financially and refuse to support “their” candidates ever again.
For all intents and purposes President Trump IS already the head of the party and there are probably 75 million of us who can be counted on to vote accordingly.
I respectfully disagree. What if our goal was to, umm, takeover and reform Facebook or Goldman Sachs. We could all by their stock and vote in our guys to the Board of Directors, seek employment on the inside, and change them from within.
Not gonna happen in 20 years.
Really? Lock stock and barrel you huh? So which senators are supporting us? Why did they vote for more h1b visas? Why are they protecting big tech from being stripped of section230 protection? Why aren’t they speaking up on this election fraud? How about the unconstitutional lockdown rules? The list could go on about how well owning them lock, stock and barrel is working out. No disrespect but…bless your heart you do mean well.
So if there is a third party formed, how will we take out the scum you refer to?
What would be the mechanism?
Wouldn’t that entail removing ALL support for them, especially financial?
I think that under President Trump as our leader in fact, which he is, this could be done with the existing GOP.
Please don’t get me wrong- I do NOT support the Republican PARTY as it is today!
I agree with what you all are saying about how horrible they are.
My concern is that we don’t have enough time to start this new party you guys are talking about.
I would listen to a possible reform of the GOP if someone can compile the list of current Reps and Senators who have taken action to balance the budget and reduce the debt. If it is a decent list, I will consider the option. If the list is short, we might as well have our own party where our candidates will actually represent us and support reducing spending (which means reducing the size of the Federal Government)
YES……BUT.
Mitch MCConnell was just re-elected for six more years. Spit. Why wasn’t he taken out in the primary? Why this mess in Georgia where we lose if we win? Collins in Maine. I am damn tired of rinos.
If the “silent majority” pulls the plug on contributions and redirects resources…..the dominos will begin to topple. As long as the funds are going to RNC…..same old…same old.
Perhaps you need to look at the general election in order to get criminals out.
The Turtle may have been “re-elected” because of Dominion systems. Again.
He may be gone soon if found to have enough connections with the CCP.
If we own the GOP, then where were all our Congressmen at the Saturday D.C. rallies, speaking on behalf of Trump?
Look at who pays them. That’s who owns them.
Seneca I know exactly how you feel. I was there until this election. 74 to 80+ million of us just tried to re-elect our incumbent President but the bastards who control the GOP just colluded with the DemoCommunists to defeat him by fraud.
I’m not conceding the election but we have to face reality – even with 74 million of us we couldn’t beat the GOP incumbent leaders. Hardly any of them are fighting this fraud. They got re-elected and immediately turned to Georgia with their hands out wanting more donations.
There were no successful challengers in the primary elections this year where GOP Senators were up for re-election. None. Yet we’ve been talking for years that we had to replace them, just as Sundance chronicled in the article. I’m not seeing the way to breech the ramparts that the RINOs have built around the Party Control Apparatus.
Same page Seneca.
We need to take over the party. If we start a new party, the old one still stands.
We need to just barge in and take over. No one wants what they are selling.
BRAVO^^^^^^^. Why stand up a new party when we have one that is ripe for the taking, is perfectly applied logic. We have the numbers, so we can therefore make the lives of those who “think” they’re in control untenable. If we will only unite and co-ordinate efforts across and through elections, we can drive home the point of John Donne’s sermon that “no man is an island” except we’ll turn it around and make each RINO an island surrounded by nothing but emptiness, a sea disdain.
Because the rnc will find six other candidates to run in the same race to dilute the vote to protect the rino. The incumbent wins again. Screw that. Same playbook everytime. We need to differentiate from the rnc backed rino. We won’t have any choice like right now.
I expect that any day after the Biden Inauguration you’ll hear Mitch McConnell and the RINOS on the floor of the Senate giving raging speeches about school prayer to get all the Conservative yokels worked up and contributing. Why not? It’s worked on us for many years!
Abortion, school prayer, and gun control are the 3 issues the uniparty uses to divide good Dems, Reps, and Independents. They gaslight us on those issues while they distract us from their Wall Street, Globalism, and War strategies.
Exactly! It’s an effective RINO dog & pony show to keep the Yokels in line!
That will be the problem at this point, getting the non rino’s to move at this point.
Many there but the money they get will have influence but then again outsiders the the R establishment wouldn’t help is the problem.
Here’s how I’ve been dealing with the GOP incumbents, when they send me solicitations for donations.
I tell them that as soon as they pass a bill that contains the precise provisions about any major issue they’ve bern promising us, with no secret language that dilutes it or exposes it to being struck down by SCOTUS, only when it’s signed into law I will send money. Also forget sending the President of the opponents party a bill knowing damn well it won’t get signed. That’s political theater and useless.
I’m so sick of this argument. I love Dinesh but……..wrong wrong wrong.
This is why we have a swamp.
This is why we have a UniParty.
While I still hope that VGPDJT finds a way to a second term within a few weeks, if it doesn’t happen, time for a MAGA party with Lion as the party symbol! DJT will have to lead the party though, at least for the first few years, otherwise, I am afraid that it will get the same treatment the Tea party got (from GOP leadership). We have already massive organic support for MAGA, might as well launch MAGA party post Jan 20th next month if there is a POTUS 46 then. I like Dinesh too, however, the ‘two’ party isn’t working for us; if it did GOP would have been all MAGA vs only a handful of senate and house republicans. Have a great weekend. Thank you.
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🙂 @ Trump Patriot. I did max out ($2,800) donation to VSGPDJT sent to him directly vs many other outlets where RNC would keep half. I will fully back the MAGA party and so will my college going son and my wife as well as many of our friends. We are sick of the Uniparty. To @sDee, while I used to be in your camp of thinking that ‘it’s over for the country if quid pro Joe becomes #46″, I have more confidence in 75+MM MAGA voters to find a way to fight, but, it will require POTUS 45 to be in the MAGA party leadership in the formative few years. Thank you. Have a great weekend.
“if it doesn’t happen, time for a MAGA party with Lion as the party symbol!”
If it does not happen, America will never see a free election. One party or three.
Totally agree with you on this one.
A very key point is made in this article. Simply put, the President is governing. he not a Republican or Democrat, he is governing per the constitution. Principled clowns like Rand Paul do not have a clue how to govern. That means some decisions, which are within the law and constitution, will not necessarily liked by all but will be guided by what is best for the nation in general. That is the essence of MAGA and “America First”. That also menas governing guidedb y morality grounded in Judaeo Christian Ethic that IS the foundation of the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and the phrase “In God We Trust”.
That is also the foundational beliefs of the coolition of voters who support the President, which IS NOT Politcal as in Conservative, liberal, democrat, republican, left or right. It is just that simple.
while i don’t agree with all Senator Paul does i’m quite sure clown doesn’t fit his character ~ principled or otherwise.
it wouldn’t surprise me to see him be one of the few or singular to make an objection in january
I guess it depends on if you value principles or not. Rand Paul was not supported by the GOPe, but his father was robbed by them. Back in ’12, I read accounts of primary votes being mysteriously flipped from Ron Paul to Romney. Now I see how. Ron Paul got zero GOP support despite rally attendance in the thousands while Romneywas hiring a few dozen to hold up signs they collected and passed out at the next stop. Combine that with a total MSM blackout on his name (if he came in second in a primary they announced the first and 3rd place winners, ignoring RP. Ron Paul started it all, he would have beat the Kenyan, but the uniparty needed to run Rombama so conservatives would stay home, as they did with Songbird. I only wish Rand had his dad’s principles.
Excellent, Sundance. Truth, Truth, and more Truth.
Immediately after installing Biden the Republican party will start to dismantle President Trump. They will cause him to waste time thinking he may be the candidate for 2 years and after the mid term work to make him unable to get on the ticket. He can’t fall for the trap. Can’t waste time and can’t be fooled. These people are snakes. That’s why I say it is better to loose the Senate and keep the Trump momentum.
Don’t doubt it but they are stupid enough to put a Romney type on the ticket.
Whats the point of a new party when the ones in control will do ANYTHING to keep power. What chance does a new party have with out a complete flushing of DC.
You have to widen your focus gooch. A new Trump lead party would quickly seize power in huge swaths of red-state America. Many republicans elected to local and state offices would switch party allegiance as the only means of preserving their livelihoods beyond the next election. The new party could very well control a handful of state legislatures. The next congress would have dozens of Trump party representatives. The DC republicans would need to work with the new party members to get them to agree to caucus with them. It would be a beautiful thing to see.
Only if we have an honest voting system nation wide.
How would you ever get a complete flushing out of DC without a new party?
McConnell, Rubio and most of the GOP are the turds that have to be flushed.
With all due respect to MAGA and our President, I would prefer The Patriot Party. The spirit of MAGA will certainly drive this movement, but if it has any chance to succeed it mist have a broad standing and spirit beyond MAGA. It must also outlive President Trump’s involvement.
Me too!
If the evangelical christians choose to form up around Donald Trump and remove their support from the RINOs, the new party will win elections fairly easily. Provided the vote fraud is stopped.
As for the come-lately Dsouza, he is an example of why civic nationalism is ultimately a dismal failure. An essential aspect of America is (tolerant) nativism, which in turn requires strict adherence to Equality of OPPORTUNITY married forever to full assimilation.
Somehow remaining within the GOP as it exists means accepting grotesque racism against whites, preserving the rights of the various crime families and their dynasties, ignoring the constant deliberate failure of the GOP to fight for conservative issues, and as has now been documented in public, the treason and corruption within which most GOP politicians are willing participants.
Politics was turned into a fixed football match where as long as you cheer red or blue all is well. Never mind the match fixing just watch the game.
Citizens are NOT consumers, politics is NOT a product, and the Engineering of Consent is a form of sinister mind control.
Once awake, don’t easily go back to sleep.
The GOP has a rich history of ensuring basic rights for all, Emancipation, Suffrage and tho they were long ago, it is a history to be very proud about. It would be my continued hope that those committed could wrest control from the apparatchiks in control now. The Dems have done it stealthily over the years. The only person capable of making these tectonic moves would be Trump and he is currently waging a humongous battle to simply win reelection.
They served a purpose then and haven’t since. They’re a pack of self-serving lying whores, even now when we face the existential threat posed by the lawless communist-democratic party.
“I promise to overturn Obamacare.”
Enough with the lies from these FRAUDS.
As Sundance says, the Republican party, no matter its rich heritage, is now an embedded part of the Uniparty’s Industrial Political Complex…the Republican party under Mitch McConnell is incompatible with the MAGA message…and McConnell deserves to go down forever as the greedy captain who steered it into the ice berg
It is not that party of history. It is rotten – from precinct control to the RNC.
bright young man and always presents a valid opinion from his perspective
this time however I disagree, for reasons we’re all to familiar with
It stinks on ice. I have to hold my nose to vote for some of the Republican candidates, but the Democrat candidates are even worse. I will join a Patriot or MAGA Party with President Trump as its leader in a heartbeat.
We. Have. Nothing. To. Lose.
MTeresa is right. How many years have we held our noses and voted for a RINO because the Democrat was worse only to win the election and all we got for our trouble was Globalism at a slower pace than the Dems would have
delivered?
We had the House, Senate and Presidency and what did we get! A tax cut that wasn’t. Those of us in high tax states lost our deductions! Now Biden will raise rates and we get hosed. No thanks Dinesh. I have been fooled enough.
Some more examples of rotten GOP:
Who first opened up to China: GOP (Nixon+Kissinger)
Who made China part of WTO: GOP (Bush Sr.)
Holding our noses and voting straight R, I have been doing so for two election cycles now, isn’t working anymore. We need MAGA party headed by POTUS 45 VSGPDJT, if some want to call it a The Patriot party so be it, as long as DJT is the leader at least for the first few years to push back against the Uniparty till it has gained critical mass. Thank you
Didn’t the GOP make China part of the WTO under Clinton?
I see what you did there, Teresa. Now I know how the black voters felt when Trump shone that Light on them.
As a building contractor…rebuild is expensive. You have to tear apart a structure and remove every component that will be an issue.Its costly, it takes a lot work, but if you want your house to out live you it is necessary!!!
The GOP is the DNC ..
80 million rebels against the population of DC.
Try taking the land from a USA farmer in choice of a Communist country
Not me no wave
“As a building contractor…rebuild is expensive.”
And speaking experience at the county level, the GOPe will have a crew come in at night and put it all back the way it was by morning.
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We provide their food, their energy, their transportation.
We fix their cars, their planes, their roads, their homes and their offices.
We remove their trash, their sewage, and their criminals.
We are well armed. We outnumber them and their henchmen a 1000 to 1
When they finally push us into the corner, neither their Chinese masters or their Big Tech panty waists will be able to save them.
This will be a big 80 million club and the GOP won’t be in it.
…”The Majority Party”
Great letter.
Refresh my memory, Treepers. Who is/was ” a creepy guy who cries…”?
“That’s the GOP strategy? Essentially: Lets plan for an annual battle against articulate Democrats and Presidential charm, using a creepy guy who cries and another old mumbling fool who dodders, knowing full well the MSM is on the side of the other guy to begin with?”
If you read the whole article it tells you.Of course you have to put two and two together,and if all else fails,do a search for speaker of the house that cried.
John Boehner, Speaker of the House back then.
I still don’t understand the fear of splitting the GOP. After all the good PDJT has done for the Republican party, they are rolling over in droves and refusing to fight against clear and evident fraud and unlawful behavior. At this point even the intact party isn’t an asset, so what would we actually lose?
Our system of government makes a 2 party system the only viable possibility.
We only have 2 parties because of that. 2 parties are not proscribed anywhere…it’s just that when power is awarded to a winner in our “first past the post” system, eventually the factions will coalesce into A and B.
If what SD is proposing is the elimination of the GOP by the establishment of a new coalition of disaffected Dems and Reps and Independents…..then fine.
But in my opinion it will fail, simply because the number of Dems and even independents will to join any MAGA party will be small…..and leave the Dems even more in power than they are now.
See it’s the concept of “even more in power” that I have trouble with. More power just means they do the same things faster. On what issue has the Republican party made gains on?
-Free speech and freedom to worship?
-Traditional families and values?
-Life, from conception to natural death?
-Border security and national resilience?
-Rule by laws rather than tyrants?
These things are in clear decline and have been for as long as I’ve been paying attention. The decent elements of the Republican party are fighting, at best, a losing battle. Can it be won? Absolutely, but not with one half of the party tying us up behind our backs.
Not if Trump is at the head of it. Then it will succeed.
I disagree. The ONLY chance of bringing in/keeping some Dems and Independents is a new party. If you want to rebuild the GOP you will be doing it without those Dems and Independents. Maybe you feel like you don’t need them. I don’t know.
I agree but disagree, yes PDJT expanded while dividing the party for the better.
Now how do you bring them all together is the problem that we have to figure out.
After the backstab by the leader of the senate it is time to move on.
Absolutely.
“I promise to repeal Obamacare.”
What kind of representative government is this?
He is absolutely correct.
I don’t particularly care for the GOPe, and had some hope when the Tea Party started up. It was a grass roots ideology which the GOPe saw as a path toward their extinction.
Lobbyists are a major part of the swamp, and the reason they were so against Reagan, so against the Tea Party, and so against President Trump. When a system is so rife with corruption the only way to end the rot at the core is to build anew and tear down the old. RINOs are a major bane of the GOPe, for we the people. They work for the GOPe, and it is because of the left being as outright evil as they have shown themselves to be, we end up holding our noses and voting for them because the alternate is worse.
I think there are many who are past being ready for a new party that reflects true ideals, and one that would curb the corruption of DC. Trouble is, the “trillions at stake” is hard for some to pass up. A new party is hard to start, but thanks to PDJT there is a large base of people who could likely sign on. I know I would.
Wow! That felt and sounded like both barrels. And now comes the smell spent gunpowder. Well done.
Two points on a New Party:
1) Bad idea because ultimately it will give the win to the opposition (think Ross Perot). True statement for normal times.
2) Normal was snatched last January. We are in trumptime now. This is the magic moment for creating a 2nd Party to compete with the UniParty thanks to their unembarrassed embrace of the Fraud.
Once the New Party is up and running, we will have the money to legally force election integrity (although that will take years of legal battles).
I will never vote for a Republican the remainder of my life. They can all go to hell…without the hand basket. Spineless scum.
Really that will not solve anything at this point.
Holding your nose while you vote hasnt solved anything either.
I have never forgotten what I saw on a bathroom wall in Iowa City in the early 80’s
”The difference between Democrats and Republicans is like the difference between gonorrhea and syphilis”
Might have been one of the most important lessons I learned in college
I think I saw that..Was it in Burge Hall? Iowa City of the early 80’s was a great place to be. I had more fun in those days – Maxwells on Friday afternoon. Those were the days my friend.
I like the thought of starting anew with a patriot type party, if it is feasible I am in.
Hey Republican party I will support you if you repeal Obamacare you promised 10 years ago and support Trump this election.
The truth is . . . the voters HAVE no party. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats.
Both are owned by the big money globalist interests. They write the laws, and they pay “our representatives” to pass them.
“WE the people . . .” has been a fraud for decades. And now we finally SEE IT.
I agree with you, I was being sarcastic in a sense regarding the Republican’s empty promises. I don’t have any expectation that they would do either of the things I mentioned. They had 10 years to repeal Obamacare and the quest ended with McStain’s thumb down.
The best way I can summarize the Republican’s is that partner who says they won’t cheat on you again, yet it always happens. It has become an abusive relationship and I am done. Their pathetic lack of support makes me want to puke, there is no way in hell if Obama was in this situation that Democrats wouldn’t be protesting on the 6th in lockstep in both houses.
The list of GOP accomplishments (BIG SARC) was what drove me to Trump. I lived through all of that list and even watched in abject horror as Kevin McCarthy schmoozed the local Tea Party, not once but 3 times.
My wife is still so po’d at me after all these years and believes to this day that I just hated Buck O’fama. I lived it, I fought it. I despise them all for what they did. God rest their soles, they’re going to need it. Wish my wife had a clue.
I agree. I don’t think the time is right now, though, to be talking about a new party. Plenty of time in a just over a month. I think we need to spend 100% of our time and energey on working for a Trump inauguration, whatever it takes. Not sure that new party talking is going to be helpful? Maybe so, But it does require time that perhaps would be better spent?
Counsel, absolutely correct! WE CAN NOT wait till Sleepy gets in. Mitch McConnell, all of DC scum and corruption need to be taken out NOW! We need to go to DC and burn it ALL down.
I agree, SD!
Exactly like I’ve been explaining the last few days about “Lessor Evil” Voting & Georgia. You cannot get rid of RINO Evil if you keep voting for it each and every time.
You’d have thought Dinesh would have learned something about the RINO/Neocons after the uniparty..actually, their Kenyan “leader”… tossed him in jail.
Nope. It’s obvious now. There are 80 million, at least, just waiting to be unleashed. It’s beautiful watching the trickle of GOP reps start to “get it”, and talk about throwing a monkey wrench into the fixed electors. McConnell could not have done more to out himself as a Chinese asset, and every RINO who goes along are flipping off their own base. They don’t care, they figure it’s all over, and China will deal with us. SCOTUS, and most of the judiciary, is a corrupt sham, with the exception of Thomas and Alito. Trump’s “conservatives” now outed as cowards/compromised/traitors. So antifa threatened them?? Then the pantywaists shouldn’t have taken the job. Naaa, everyone knows Scalia’s death was shady, so it’s looking like they are just traitors.
Well said
Those who don’t understand that the GOP can never fully taken back or ever truly represent it’s base, have not been paying attention.
Think about this…the GOP under Trump, allowed the Democrats to steal the 2020 election in order to get rid of him. And you seriously believe that this party will represent you? That this party can somehow be reformed? That this party will magically get better over time? This is the best we will ever get out of the GOP because of Trump! Without him, there’s nothing folks!
So stop with all of the excuses as to why we need the GOP and what a heavy lift it will be to form a new party. First, set your expectations correctly. The new political party, which I have suggested be called the American Party, doesn’t have to win all the elections immediately to prove itself. It just needs to be able to force the GOP into oblivion or force it to merge with the Democrats.
Second, the American Party needs to seize this moment in history to organize having the most known person in the world at the helm. There will be no better time to form a new political party than with a powerful charismatic figure at the top of it’s ticket and that would be Donald J. Trump.
I would love to see Trump form this party the day after Biden is inaugurated and take it to the GOP in 2022. Yes, it will mean the Dems will likely retain some power, but it will set the stage for the annihilation of the GOP in 2024, when Trump runs as the American Party nominee in 2024. The GOP won’t be able to field any candidate close to competing with Trump (Romney? HA!) and that election will render the GOP to at best 3rd party status (as the GOP itself did to the Whigs!).
Now is the time to rally to the standard of a new American political party. Enough of the movements! They are easily dispensed of. We need a formal political organization, with a new platform, a new agenda, and foot soldiers willing to populate precincts, counties, cities and towns and take no prisoners!
This party must be a nationalist party that is open to ALL who love America. The game is no longer ideological between conservative and liberal, the game is between globalism and nationalism. We want America First, we want America Best (Be Best!), we want American Freedom and Constitution! That’s the American Party based on the Trump doctrine. This Party’s time is now! MAGA!!
May I remind everyone that the last three candidates left standing in the 2016 GOP PRIMARY were all backed in one form or fashion by THE TEA PARTY. The gains made by us over the past decade in wresting control of the Republican Party from the establishment CANNOT BE WASTED.
To retreat from those victories because of a few set-backs and an underestimation of the DEEP STATE SWAMP RINORATS is in no way…AT ALL….a winning “STRAH-TEE-GERRY”.
IT IS SURRENDER. No…the GOP IS OURS. There is simply more hard work that has yet to be completed. A third party at this point would be a MISERABLE FAILURE. And by dividing our combined force, FOCUSED ON TAKING OVER THE GOP, by even the smallest of fractions, would only strengthen the establishment foes and entrench them even deeper into POWER.
We are still much closer to achieving the goal of control over OUR GOP than we have ever been. A deviation, distraction, or misdirected plan of action, led by anger and frustration would be POLITICAL SUICIDE. Instead…we must refocus and redouble our efforts to gain FULL CONTROL. We have the base and other Americans….more than we know….willing to join us in battle against the self-appointed, ruling elite establishment SWAMP CREATURES. THESE COLORS DON’T RUN!
RETREAT IS NOT AN OPTION. Despite the well founded facts presented by Sundance and the Rag Tag Team. WE FIGHT FOR OUR PARTY…..AND WIN.
DEPLORABLE JEDI.
And yet not one Senator is willing to stand and be counted on behalf of the President.
Senator Ted Cruz was going to argue before the Supreme Court on behalf of the POTUS and all of us. In retrospect, given his record of success, yet another reason for their lack of interest in taking any cases regarding VOTER FRAUD.
I’d say Ted Cruz has been “COUNTED”.
DEPLORABLE JEDI.
They will be if we have them by the balls.
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“To retreat from those victories because of a few set-backs and an underestimation of the DEEP STATE SWAMP RINORATS is in no way…AT ALL….a winning “STRAH-TEE-GERRY”.
Deep State Rinorats, your talking about McConnell, Rubio, and all of the rest correct?
If Trump is betrayed by the GOP, then we deplorables will end the GOP.
“And don’t think we don’t know the 2009 ‘stimulus’ became embedded in the baseline of the federal spending, and absent of an actual budget it just gets spent and added to the deficit each year, every year.”
So glad you included this one, Sundance. Absolutely infuriating and crazy-making.
One thing which I found confusing. In 2018 there was voter fraud which flipped many house seats to the Dems. I did not think the RNC worked for many of those seats, yet I heard little criticism of Romney’s niece, I never trusted her, and could never understand why she was not replaced.
The deplorables contributed millions to the effort to re-elect Donald Trump, and it went into RNC coffers. The tea party almost pulled it off. The movement is wiser and stronger now. 80 million is a vast network. I think it can be done.
If I donate money to President Trump I don’t want one penny going to Rino’s.
I believe there is one hope for this country. It will require the utter destruction of the Republican Party as a force in American politics. A party that can do so will indeed pull some Independents, Libertarians, and Democrats. It just might catch some very young rebels who think independently as well. And those factors will threaten the power, if not the stability, of the Democrats.
Now is the time. This moment will not come again. It will not be here in two years or four years.
Don’t continue to be the abused wife sticking around for more hits, Republicans. Get out and burn the house down.
Menagerie (and others) – with all due respect, can you explain the mechanics and logistics of how this new party will be put into existence in all 50 states?
My biggest concern with a new party is that I believe the republicans and democrats will join together at the state level and pass laws that will make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to register a new political party with each state. With that said, should such a party be established, I will be changing my party affiliation to it.
I think any state laws passed as you have suggested would be extremely vulnerable to a constitutional challenge that would succeed in the courts.
It will take time but I am all for a new party. We the people need to leave the D & R in the past.
We don’t have time.
I’m actually amazed at how strong my entire extended family agrees with this.
Wow, seriously, we are done.
Bringing in a new party and fighting for its legitimacy actually sounds exciting and worth the time,financial and emotional effort.
We don’t care what the blah blahs say.
So frigging past that.
A light of hopr
No need to start a new party. 75 million deplorables are ready and willing to take over the existing Republican Party. Trump just needs to walk softly and carry a big stick.