The ‘Woods File’ is the mandatory FBI evidence file that contains the documentary proof to verify all statements against U.S. persons that are contained in any FISA application. Remember, this is a secret court, the FISA applications result in secret Title-1 surveillance and wiretaps against U.S. persons, outside fourth amendment protections.
The absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence. However, in the case of the “missing” or “reconstructed” Woods file used to gain a Title-1 FISA surveillance warrant against U.S. person Carter Page, the overwhelming evidence shows there never was one. The Special Counsel manufactured the appearance of one ex post facto in 2018.
Here’s how we can tell:
♦ FIRST – Common Sense: Recent reports of the DOJ, FBI or NSD “losing” the Woods file are abjectly silly on their face. Given the specific importance of this specific case there’s no reasonable person who would believe such a critical file of underlying evidence would just go missing and have to be recreated by the Weissmann special counsel.
♦ SECOND – Precedent: In the March 30, 2020, memorandum written by the Office of Inspector General after review of 29 DOJ-NSD FISA applications, the IG noted the absence of Woods Files is not an uncommon occurrence. Factually within the 29 FISA applications reviewed, four were completely missing the Woods File. Meaning there was zero supportive evidence for any of the FBI claims against U.S. persons underpinning the FISA applications. [ie. The FBI just made stuff up]
♦ THIRD – How Would They Get Away With That?: To answer that question it is important to remember the DOJ-National Security Division, the entity responsible for the legal assembly of FISA applications, did not have any oversight. In 2015 the OIG requested oversight and it was Deputy AG Sally Yates who responded with a lengthy 58 page legal explanation saying, essentially, ‘nope – not allowed.’ (PDF HERE) All of the DOJ is subject to oversight, except the NSD.
The DOJ-NSD could get away with the lack of legal requirements because there was no entity providing oversight to ensure the completeness of the legal requirements they were supposed to follow. Not coincidentally this is the exact division within the DOJ that weaponized FARA investigations as the justification for political surveillance. [That becomes important later when we get to Carter Page specifics]
♦ FOURTH – Trish Anderson Admission: The Deputy General Counsel for the FBI National Security & Cyber Law Branch (NSCLB), Trisha Beth Anderson, admitted during her testimony to congress that she never verified the existence of the Woods File, nor its content. Anderson stated she never even reviewed the FISA application for appropriate assembly because it came to her from an unusual top-down process.
In front of a joint session of the House Judiciary and Oversight committees on Aug. 31, 2018, former FBI Deputy General Counsel Trisha Anderson said she was normally responsible for signing off on Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act applications before they reached the desk of her superiors for approval. Anderson said the “linear path” those applications typically take was upended in October 2016, with FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates signing off on the application before she did. Because of that unusual high-level involvement, she didn’t see the need to “second guess” the FISA application. (link)
Why did she do this? Trish Anderson disclosed why in her previously hidden testimony to congress (August 2018). [LINK]
Anderson said all FISAs need to be signed off on in the FBI’s National Security Law Branch, where she was assigned at the time. Anderson said she was the Senior Executive Service approver for the “initiation” of the Page FISA, including determining whether there is legal sufficiency.
But Anderson stressed “in this particular case, I’m drawing a distinction because my boss and my boss’ boss had already reviewed and approved this application.” She emphasized “this one was handled a little bit differently in that sense, in that it received very high-level review and approvals — informal, oral approvals — before it ever came to me for signature.”
Anderson said that FISA approvals are typically “tracked in a linear fashion” and that someone in the Senior Executive Service “is the final approver on hard copy before a FISA goes to the director or deputy director for signature.” She said the Page FISA was approved outside regular procedures. (more)
Anderson had signed-off on earlier Page FISA applications because they came to her already signed: ex. by James Comey (FBI) and Sally Yates (DOJ).
“Because there were very high-level discussions that occurred about the FISA,” Anderson said she believed that meant “the FISA essentially had already been well-vetted all the way up through at least the Deputy Director [McCabe] level on our side and through the DAG [Yates] on the DOJ side.” Yates had already signed the application by the time it made it to Anderson’s desk.
When Trish Anderson signed-off on the last Carter Page FISA renewal (June 29, 2017) the Special Counsel was now running the DOJ. Andrew Weissmann, formerly of the DOJ-NSD, was running the special counsel operation. Meanwhile FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe was in position and running the FBI.
This was the third renewal where Office of General Counsel (OGC) lawyer Kevin Clinesmith fabricated evidence to hide that Carter Page was working with, and was a source for, the CIA.
Again, Deputy General Counsel Trish Anderson rubber-stamped the application because it came with pre-approval from above. Anderson never saw, nor questioned, any underlying documentation; or the absence thereof. The lack of supportive documentation, a Woods File, passed her review because the application had pre-approval by her supervisors.
♦ FIFTH – IG Horowitz Provides Cover for Institutional Issues: Within his December 2019, IG report on the four FISA applications, Inspector General Horowitz covers for the issue of missing supportive evidence by saying the customary procedure for the Woods File verification is not needed when the evidence involves a confidential human source (CHS):
This description is entirely consistent with the DOJ and FBI using the Chris Steele dossier as a replacement for the Woods File procedures. Under this sketchy justification Steele would be an FBI confidential human source (CHS). Ergo, the dossier served as the underpinning and the only requirement would be for the application to “accurately reflect what [Steele] told the FBI”. That’s how they pulled this off.
♦ SIXTH –Everyone knew it was BS – AGAIN FARA (Remember, FARA via DOJ-NSD had no oversight) this is part of the corrupt process: Senator Johnson’s FISA timeline, citing page 62 of the IG report, states categorically that FBI HQ ordered the New York Field Office to open a Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA) investigation of Carter Page on April 1, 2016, and that the NYFO did so on April 6, 2016.
Since Carter Page’s alleged Russian agent status (“an agent of a foreign government”) is the critical predicate for the original and three renewal FISA applications [core of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation], how can Crossfire Hurricane team maintain they did not open investigation until July 31, 2016?
Carter Page joined the Trump campaign March 21, 2016, eleven days before the order, and ten days after the Buryakov press release identified him to the Russians as the (undercover employee) UCE responsible for burning three of their SVR agents.
Not only is is incredibly unlikely that Page — who was still on the witness list for Buryakov’s prosecution until his sentencing on May 25, 2016 — was thought an appropriate subject for recruitment by the Russians, even after associating with the Trump campaign… but even if he was, the opening of the April 6, 2016, FARA investigation by the NYFO almost four months before Crossfire Hurricane “officially” opened meant the FBI’s investigation into a Trump campaign associate began long before they say it did.
Add to that reality the fact the FARA order likely came from FBI HQ via Bill Priestap, and there is no way the FBI could credibly believe a UCE they knew responsible for burning three SVR agents had been recruited by the same SVR due to his recent association with the Trump campaign. It was all smoke and mirrors.
♦ CONCLUSION: Taking all the above into proper context, when the office of inspector general announced on March 28, 2018, that he was going to review all four of the Carter Page FISA applications; no doubt the office of the special counsel, Andrew Weissmann; who was previously the DOJ-NSD FARA targeting coordinator; moved swiftly to create the appearance of a Woods File where none previously existed. That led to the Woods Procedure justification as stated by the IG.
There never was a Woods File. The FBI and DOJ relied upon the Chris Steele Dossier as the evidence to support the FISA application. Chris Steele was identified as a Confidential Human Source, and his dossier was qualified as a replacement for the Woods File.
That’s exactly what happened. I guarantee it.




I feel better now.
Sundance, what if the private contractors were DOJ and not CIA as assumed? What triggered Sally Yates to write 58 pages? Who ordered Yates to do that? She must have discussed that with superiors and gotten a go ahead. Was Horowitz tipped off which started the inquiry into NSD to begin with?
Is anyone asking these questions?
An additional question:
Does this reflect poorly on FISA judges?
Or do they just guilelessly expect that petitioners will have done their work and attest truthfully?
Honestly do not know why they require head of FBI and DOJ to sign off on these things. Basically as CEO’s they do not have time to verify anything. They just have to assume the underlings did their job and rubber stamp it. Which makes the signatures worthless.
nimrodman: The judges are window dressing to assure the public that the judges are vetting the fisa warrant request. In my opinion, no need to have them since they are accepting the affidavit of the fbi as truthful.
Great point. Each level is supposed to be operating as a legitimate gatekeeper to enforce rigorous examination and justification. Not a rubber stamp which it is. At least, that’s their cover story.
each level is supposed to be operating as a legitimate gatekeeper
… and it turns out NONE of them are
thx issy
Since 2012 Obama And His Gang Of Criminals Were Spying On Anyone And Everyone They Wanted To, Obama & Brennan Learned Blackmail Was A Powerful Tool, They NEVER, I Repeat, NEVER Had A Woods File On ANYONE They Spied On, Mueller Wasn’t Investigating Russia & Trump, Mueller And His Corrupt Gang Were Spending Their Time Covering Up The Evidence & Crimes That Obama & His Administration Committed Over 8 Years! And Spying On Trump To See What He Knew. Keep In Mind They Thought They Rigged The 2016 As Good As They Rigged The 2012 Election For Obama, Crooked Hillary Was NEVER Suppose To Lose, Therefore They Weren’t Worried About The Crimes & Evidence, Once They Knew Trump WON They Went Into Panic Mode! They STILL CAN”T Figure Out How Rigging The 2016 Election For Crooked Hillary Didn’t Work Out, That’s The REAL REASON They Hate Trump! They Are Still In A State Of Dumbfoundedness!
I’ve been thinking exactly the same thing.
Two years and millions of taxpayer dollars to cover up the real government corruption. Now we have Obama on the campaign stump with his cheesy smile knowing all well that he and his band of corrupt minions not only spied illegally on American citizens but that the American citizenry PAID to cover up any and all evidence that they could all the while virtually shutting down the FBI and DoJ. Still have to wonder who the brains is behind this whole escapade. Obama was the shill used to gain access to the White House to be the face of the American takedown. They couldn’t use Hillary. Race trumps sex on this. The sex card works for some things but the race card is the ultimate play in the deck. So who arranged for Obama to be the front man? Soros provided money but even he isn’t that smart or devious. Valerie Jarrett could have been the puppetmaster pulling Obama’s strings and lining his pockets with Iranian money but she isn’t that smart. Was the raid on Bin Laden more about covering up for his control of Obama? Most all of Bin Laden’s inner circle have been taken out. Was that just another arm of the coverup? Bin Laden was in bed with the Iranians. They had similar mindsets. Maybe Solemeini was the real mastermind and controlled the flow of money into Obama’s coffers into the Trump presidency. Maybe that is why Obama was so outspoken after President Trump had him taken out by the military. A lot of maybes but we know the Deep State tentacles run deeply in the swamp. We also know the Swampires (thanks for that term) will do anything to get President Trump out of the White House up to and including turning the country Socialist Communist just so they can be unexposed and powerful. The slime of the swamp won’t come off easily but the fires of Hell are much more permanent! We may not get the justice that the American people deserve in this life but we know that those of you who had a part in Crossfire Razor and Crossfire Hurricane will reap your rewards in the Hereafter. The coup plotters committed adultery against Lady Liberty. The fury of Hell is in their future!
The DemonRats come from hell; it is their briar-patch. It makes no sense for us to waste away in their present madness. Get them back to hell now, it does America no good to sit around and wait for a revenge unnoticed.
Great point about 2012. What if Romney’s 49 % comment didn’t come from a spy at the fundraiser but rather the phone of an actual supported that was turned on by NSA? That’s what I’ve always suspected happened with the Billy Bush TMZ tape of Trump. What if Romney knows this and has been told that other tapes that will destroy his clean, Mormon image will also be released if he doesn’t vote for impeachment or march with BLM?
Tango268: It’s possible, just about anything is in this corrupt government is. However, if that is true and Romney has acted the way he has to keep the public from finding out something, he’s a bigger sleaze than we think.
Except if Romney knew he was compromised, why run for the Senate.He is old enough and rich enough to retire.
How did you set your device to Capitalize Every Word?
If you can turn it off, please do. It will make it much easier for us to read what you’ve taken the time to write.
It’s becoming abundantly clear that, in order to obtain any semblance of justice, the victims of this conspiracy are going to have to use the civil courts. Bill Barrf, et al., will not pursue this case criminally.
FBI’s philosophy must be, “Some people just need to be framed”!
Locked in Cali: A Great Post you have there. Thanks for clarifying their
Mission Statement.
Unfortunately, look at the case of Sharyl Attkisson. Fighting for something like 4 years and can’t get the DOJ to give her documents in her case against the gov for spying on her.
There’s going to have to be something legislatively or a rewrite of regs in the executive branch, not sure which is the proper procedure. If it’s executive branch, Trump should focus on getting this done. Heck, put Grenell on it.
STINKS. IT STINKS. STINKS
I am so effing mad…..
lieutenantm: Don’t get mad, get even. The best revenge possible is reelecting Trump!
Barr: “Yeah, you are probably right, but I don’t really care.”
It isn’t that Barr doesn’t care . . . it’s more a matter of priorities. In the past few weeks Barr has learned two new tunes on the bagpipes. One is called “Aye, The Bonnie Lass” and the other is “Kilkenny Brigade.” Learning “Kilkenny Brigade” is very difficult because it requires extra lung power and some intricate finger moves.
On top of that Barr signed up for six more weeks on the Marie Osborne Diet. Staying on the Marie diet requires a lot of attention and dedication. So it’s not that Barr doesn’t care about the Obama Spying Scandal . . . he does. But he’s got a lot to do and the scandal, unfortunately at this time, will have to wait.
Marie Osmond.
Kill shot.
“These things take time.” Smirk.
ouch
Going forward, the SCOTUS Chief Justice plus four Associate justices should have to verify the contents of the so-called Woods File before granting surveillance.
That’s the reform I would need to see.
Let’s just hope the “John Roberts” on the Epstein flight log isn’t the Chief Justice.
We won’t know for sure until the flight logs and other evidence from 2009-2019 find their way to the public. Either through indictments, arrests, or other legal actions in ongoing court cases.
“OHR…OHR….frustrated law enforcement officials LEAKING.
And since we know there are NO SUBSTANTIAL CONSEQUENCES FOR LEAKING?
I’ll bet on LEAKS.
Only then will we know the full complement of people involved in PEDOGATE.
DEPLORABLE JEDI.
Is it too much to hope the NYPD being so POd at the Dems will leak Weiners computer??
What an October surprise it would be.
Maybe… we all would love it, but I fear too much time has transpired and everything about that would fall on mostly “whatever” ears.
You’ve got to give them credit… the LEFT with the help of the MSM has done a good job setting the narrative. The fact the FBI and DOJ seem to always be about 4 years behind the evidence isn’t helping.
Well they been at it for decades while we been working and making a living we have paid them big salaries. And they have had the time to take care of the business of We the People or game the system. Our elected officials, I stress elected officials chose to game the system. Now a great great of young people and also middle age voting folks all they care about is “where is my check” is my check in the mail or that’s right we got direct deposit now.
Our political system is so far out of alignment with what is right and good it needs to be torn down from the ground up. There are no checks and balances any more all the branches of government are working in corrupt unison. If it were not for one single person Trump in the executive branch then they would have what they have worked so hard for. There lies the hate and frustration Trump is holding up the last needed step.
This will be our very last chance to fix this in this next four years when Trump is re-elected. It’s gonna get ugly ugly the next four years. But if the country has to be burn to the ground to save freedom on this planet then let them have at it. We got very smart people on freedom’s side we will to mobilize and learn how to push back hopefully without violence.
NYPD “INTEL” to be exact. It is thought they, for INVESTIGATIVE REASONS made copies of the data on CARLOS DANGERS LAPTOP.
CARLOS DANGERS LAPTOP.
I’m sorry I am out of MIND IMAGE ERASER at the moment. Forgive me.
DEPLORABLE JEDI.
Let’s hope it is and PDJT exposes Robert’s evil actions (if any).
Resulting in “resign or it will all come out and you will be removed anyway.”
Well, you would at least expect the FISA court would verify there was a Woods File. Good grief, the whole FISA process relied upon trust with no verification. So where does it say CHS’s are beyond validation? Thie system is set up for fraud and manipulation. Pretty sure that was not an “oversight”.
Even so, it would seem that Weismann creating a woods file after the fact would be some form of withholding evidence. If he knew a Woods file was not necessary why did he create one after the fact? Why did he see the need to create one that was not legally required. In y world that says “guilt”.
Looking ore and more like Barr and Durham, et. al., are covering up the cover up.
The other mystery is why would not anyone (congress), not question Yates’s justification for no oversight on DOJ-NSD. Conspiracy, I think so!
“it would seem that Weismann creating a woods file after the fact would be some form of withholding evidence”
I dunno. It would seem to me that creating a woods file after the fact would be some form of fraud on the court. What am I missing?
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. FRAUD. TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE. CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT (fill in the blank).
So much to choose from really.
If only we had an entity, a vehicle of some sort…perhaps a DEPARTMENT “OHR…OHR…something that existed to deliver JUSTICE.
Wouldn’t that be nice?
DEPLORABLE JEDI.
The Woods file requirement is nothing more than FBI policy. That’s the problem. Most of all of the stuff they did was against policies, not the law
BitterC: Unfortunately, just about all of it is like that. So people should just settle down, without a statute on the books that was violated, nobody, I repeat nobody is going to prison. The doj/fbi has been shown to be a dishonest department and organization that can’t be trusted. The fisa court is negligent/complicit. From what I have seen from some federal judges, I lean toward the latter.
Unless there are laws enacted that will require penalties, it will happen again. That is where we come in, demand your representatives in congress enact laws that will punish those who abuse their power.
“it would seem that Weismann creating a woods file after the fact would be some form of withholding evidence”
I dunno. It would seem to me that creating a woods file after the fact would be some form of obstruction of justice and that covering the non-existence of a Woods’ file would be the fraud on the court. What am I missing?
“it would seem that Weismann creating a woods file after the fact would be some form of withholding evidence”
I think you’re on to something, Nim.
I’ll go even further.
WHY did the SCO (Weismann) create a Wood’s File AT ALL??
According to the Woods Procedures of the FBI they didn’t need to.
Horowitz lays out the Woods Procedure vis-a-vis a CHS:
““when information is attributed to a CHS the Woods Procedures require ONLY that an agent verify, with supporting documentation, that the application accurately reflects what the CHS TOLD THE FBI .”
The case that needs to made is not treason, sedition, lying or leaking….
It’s CONSPIRACY. Damn hard to do when the conspirators are lawyers and lawmen
The Special Counsel’s Investigation seems to be the juiciest target to make that case if it’s to be made at all.
SEE:https://uncoverdc.com/2020/09/01/andrew-weissmann-wants-kevin-clinesmith-to-stop-snitchen/
While “intent” does not necessarily be made in a conspiracy, “Weismann” creating a Woods File ex-post-facto presents yet another problem for the SCO:
Using CHS Steele’s info in lieu of a Woods File to get the CP FISA approved in 2016
was/is perfectly acceptable according to the FBI’s own interpretation of the Woods Procedure.
It ONLY becomes a problem for the Special Counsel Office in 2017 because they needed to DISAVOW EVERYTHING STEELE DOSSIER related to keep their “investigation” going which had already “COLLAPSED in January 2017” (Bill Barr)
As Mueller testilied: He didn’t look use the dossier….it was out of his purview.
Their actions to create a “fake” Wood’s File IS evidence of intent.
More problems for the SCO:
Shipwreckedcrew’s article (above) describes the “Clinesmith information” and his possible utility to providing evidence of conspiracy.
Durham is on record DEC 9 2019 (when the Horowitz report came out)
“Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.”
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/statement-us-attorney-john-h-durham
Add the Danchenko material that PRE-DATES SCO:
HERE:https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/February%209,%202017%20Electronic%20Communication.pdf
SCO handling of Flynn case and SC Attorney VanGrack’s “collusion” with Flynn’s lawyers
(Most all of the exhibits in the Flynn Motion to Dismiss are marked “DOJSCO”)
HERE:https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6883959-Flynn-Govt-Motion-to-Dismiss.html#document/p1
SCO handling of Papadopoulos and Mifsud
SEE HANS MAHNKE interview:
(Hans knows more about PapaD/Mifsud than probably anybody.)
And let’s not forget the information SD recently presented to Durham’s chief investigator himself showing the SCO interfering in the Wolfe case.
Nailing down the pre-election conspiracy is very difficult…..the SCO conspiracy seems an easier “get”.
If someone want to get it.
good points! And also, why I believe we have seen a shift from pre-election wrong doings to activities of the Mueller team. If they can prove that was a set up, and it involved the same players, it also blows back on the Crossfire Hurricane set up.
Krashman: Brilliant summation of what the SC did and why it was a conspiracy, but I don’t know how you get around the immunity prosecutors have. From what Sidney exposed in her book about prosecutors, they can do whatever they want to and get away with it. It’s disgraceful, and I don’t know what can be done when you have a criminal prosecutor.
Excellent point.
I’ve taken the “we’ll deal with that when we get there approach”.
Immunity only becomes an issue if you prove the conspiracy first and indict them.
Let their lawyers claim they can’t be prosecuted because they’re “SPECIAL”
Krashman: LOL, I like that approach. Indict First. It’s like they do people, guilty till proved innocent.
No questions about a missing Wood’s file? I don’t buy it! Anderson should have asked for it and I bet she did.
Well, you would at least expect the FISA court would verify there was a Woods File.
Why?
As Horowitz said in his report…..
“when information is attributed to a CHS the Woods Procedures require ONLY that an agent verify, with supporting documentation, that the application accurately reflects what the CHS TOLD THE FBI .”
SD calls this Horowitz “covering” for the FBI….
As shitty as this is, Horowitz wasn’t covering for them…..
He was telling us that this “shit” IS the FBI’s OWN interpretation of the WOOD’s PROCEDURES.
They DO NOT have to VERIFY that what a CHS tells them is TRUE…
They ONLY have to VERIFY that the CHS actually told them SOMETHING at all.
Krashman: Important point, words have meaning, and the fbi is very good at misleading people. IIRC, one agent testified that Steel’s source was honest and forthcoming. He was, he said it was all bar talk and he didn’t have any knowledge of Trump and collusion with the Russians. People were misled to believe he was verifying what Steel reported. That’s classic.
You recall correctly.
“truthful and cooperative” language appeared in FISA renewals AND the July 12, 2018 Notification to FISC about CP FISA
milktrader,
Respectfully, screw THAT. I trust the Chief Justice, who has direct authority and responsibility over this mis-named FISC (SHOULD be the Foriegn and Domestic Survellence Court, cause lets call it what it is, and their is absolutely NO intelligence there!) NOT AT ALL.
Show me where the 4th amendment can be ignored, but only if the Chief Justice and 4 liberals sign off, I must have missed that section of the Constitution.
Since we’re renaming FISC, to more accurately reflect reality, lets rename “FBI-NSD, to CIA Station, D.C., cause THATS what it IS.
Call a spade a spade.
milktrader: Or get some fisc judges that will do the job they are supposed to instead of using rubber stamps. Yeah, I know that sounds like they actually might have to do some work.
I believe it.
Clock’s ticking and we all get to witness in real time whether we have a real legal system or if we are no different than the commies and mafias. What an interesting time to be alive.
Another Treeper put it best in their recent comment, “honor system for people who cannot be trusted”.
What difference does this make? Nobody is holding any of the coup participants to account for treason. There is no reason they will not do this all over again but this time with more determination to win at any cost. Only Republicans get indicted, and they are normally innocent of the crimes they are accused of. Manafort, Stone, Page, Steve Stockman, Michael Flynn. Democrats are allowed to break the law under Democrat and Republican administrations.
Did they do anything by the book?
Oh yes–all of it–their book of dirty tricks, lies, propaganda, smears, and falsified “evidence.” THAT book.
I have little doubt left that our justice system is corrupt to its core.
If on a jury, I’d discount heavily any testimony coming from FBI. That agency needs to be dissolved.
Sounds like their usual modus operandi. Please tell General Flynn how many of us know he is an American hero.
There’s a reason Andrew Weismann had his dirty fingers in most every aspect of the plot against the Trump administration. They agreed with his style of law and order.
Saul Alinsky’s book….
Necronomicon?
I agree and would bet money on it.
As would I and I bet we are not alone.
Dear Ms. Powell,
First,
Allow me to thank you, on behalf of (even if they don’t realize it yet) a grateful nation. You have been a God Send for not only General Flynn, but the prospect of TRUE reform to our rule of law!
I hope your presence here, and your unshakeable optimism, will get some of the doomsayers to SNAP OUT OF IT!!?
God Bless,
skipper
P.S. Sidney Powell = Chief Justice for the U.S.S.C.
Michael Flynn = ODNI
Michael Rogers = Whatever position he WANTS!!!
Sundance = Speaker of the House!
MAGA 2020! KAG 2020!
I always agree with anything you agree with.
And I respectfully disagree. Sidney for A.G. in 2021; SHE is just the man to clean out the DOJ, and just as PDJT is the ONLY person that can do what he has done and is doing, Sidney has been uniquely crafted by God, to be the ONLY person qualified to clean out, and up the DOJ, and restore Justice.
IMHO,…
Ahem…that’s “Woman” to you, dear DutchMan. 😉
I certainly follow things well enough to know Sidney is a woman, meant that in the spirit of a woman has to work twice as hard as a man, in the same job,..fortunately this is not difficult, vein.
I keep hoping it happens something like this…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77SyOjULZg0
So we have so much reason to believe the DOJ drops the Flynn matter because their evidence is missing, spoliated or engineered. The red flags I first noted were when they resisted production of exculpatory evidence.
Sullivan must be realizing his antics have raised questions and more evidence.
Poetic justice would be if Sullivan’s refusal to drop the Flynn case resulted in the discovery of a direct link to Obama and his orders of Spygate and a prosecution for treason! Alas, poetic justice doesn’t happen too often. That would be a delightful October surprise though!
Linda: Sullivan doesn’t care. He/they don’t even try to hide their abuse of power anymore.
The DOJ already dropped it! This thing has taken a turn into bizarro world, so who knows where it will go… but one thing is for sure, they are stalling for time.
“I agree and would bet money on it.”
#metoo
God Bless you!
So that sick feeling I have is because the average American voter will never know the depth of depravity of Obama and this crew in these crimes against Trump, so they will vote in 58 days totally oblivious to it because we have no one, no decent press or official who will courageously and effectively summarize all of this for them before they vote? Or… could President Trump still just do that?
The average American will never know the depth of depravity of almost every politician in Washington because they refuse to actually look into ANYTHING on their own – to ask questions, to seek out information, to verify facts, and to demand that ALL people be held accountable when they break the law!!
They accept whatever pablum is spoon fed to them from the NYT or the Washington Post or any of the major alphabet networks…or they go off of what their second cousin’s neighbor posted on Facebook about how Donald Trump is working with the Russians!
No wonder our country is in the state it’s in – it is filled with lazy idiots who have ZERO knowledge of history!!
Constance and viking,
Sorry to see you have such little faith in American voters.
You do realise your contempt for the intelligence and engagement OF the ‘average American voter’ EXACTLY mirrors the view of the ‘elites’in DC and media,….right?
I encounter people every day who, if asked think “Fusion gps” is a new energy drink. They may not even know who Peter Stroxz is, without reminding.
But, they say to me the most REMARKABLE things!
“PDJT is the greatest POTUS ever, and all their lies are so OBVIOUS!”
“The Mueller hoax and the shampeachment WERE witchunts, actually attempted lynchings, and HE DID NOTHING WRONG!”
“CHINA Virus was DELIBERATE, and you’ll NEVER convince me otherwise!”
And a lot more. I think your view MIGHT have been accurate in say,….2012. Perhaps applied to many in 2016, but I really don’t think it applies to many, today.
There ARE the TDS infected, no doubt.
But there IS a vast ‘silent majority’who’s eyes have been opened, and once they see it, they can’t unsee it.
In short, WE are legion, and sometimes you don’t need to minutely study each brush stroke, in order to appreciate an oil painting.
These people I talk to, they SEE the whole picture, they ‘get it’, they FEEL the injustice of how PDJT has been treated, and they will crawl over broken glass to vote for PDJT.
I sure hope that you are right…I am seeing SOME signs that people are waking up and finally realizing the truth but I am still discouraged by the number of people I know who continue to parrot all of the MSM/BLM lies or who say that it’s all “too confusing” so they don’t even bother trying to figure anything out!!
Hopefully, they will also be too lazy to bother to vote!!
Dutchman, I have a sense that you are right, but I often get pulled down into the darkness with everything that is thrown at us day after day. Thanks for helping me stay hopeful. I am doing what I can to get people to vote in person for President Trump. And when he is sworn in for his second term, I am making Sundance’s pancake recipe to celebrate. With blueberries. And a mimosa.
Stay optimistic. Our enemy are CONS, and manipulation is their strongest weopon.
Don’t let them enter your head or heart, cause if you do, they win.
Sounds great, but there WILL be battles to be fought, between Nov and Jan. We must “gird our loins” and remain strong, despite all the enemy is throwing against us. 🙂
Dutchman: I have but one thought right now and that is to see President Trump reelected in a landslide!
It’s not that I don’t care, but whatever happens to these horrid people either does or does not happen. I have no control over that. I can control my thoughts, and I refuse to dwell on the injustices and allow them to poison my mind.
TRUMP 2020 is where my energy is going to be focused.
There ya go. Just gird your loins, as this is gonna be an election like no other, and its not gonna be settled on Nov 3, or even 4th.
They are going to drag it out, and hope to wear us down. Steely resolve.
Dutchman: Remember the 90’s commercial, “Be Like Mike” (Micheal Jordan) I want us all to “Be Like Trump.” Optimistic and determined to plow right through anything they throw at us.
There ya go! LOOK at PDJT. He doesn’t LOOK like alfred e. Nueman,…one of the idiot dems has that distinction.
But, he DOES have that “What, me worried?” Look. He’s ALL in, and we’re all in, and its gonna be GLORIOUS!
May I say that, in my humble opinion, a hairdresser has pinned Nancy Pelosi against the wall and is throttling the truth out of her. Just a regular american hairdresser. Proud of her.
And we are ALL “just a regular american (fill in the blank)s.” Speak Truth, Practice Love. Listen Patiently.
And fight like a Spirit-infused Patriot when necessary, when hypocrisy, lies, and injustice raise their lizardy, scaly heads against the best durned principles that any society has yet conceived!
Small stage or large arenas, whatever audience the good Lord gives you: STAND!
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Constance, he still has time to declassify everything unredacted, say a month or so before the election. I have great confidence President Trump knows how to play his cards to win in the most productive way Nov. 3rd, after which he could be in a much stronger position to fight the deep state.
Oh how I hope and pray you are all correct and I am wrong. I too have been praying that if nothing comes from Barr Durham, PDJT will let it all out some way. And I love the idea of millions of us understanding the oil painting w/o having to see all the brush strokes :). USA! MAGA!
The Almighty knows.
He has many followers, even though we are weak and fail many times, we are able to cast a ballot and help at least one more new Trump voter cast a ballot. So 63,000,000 Trump voters become 126,000,000 Trump voters.
AG Sessions was the mole…
“Trump” Foreign Policy Group was AG Sessions creation…so far two of the eight are confirmed Spooks…
Remember, the Fake News was all over 45 Campaign to impanel the foreign advisors for 45…all pretext for illegal surveillance since most likely 2011!
The Woods file is like mail-in voting…fabricated when needed, not before.
good one, red
Does this mean Weissman can be charged with forging a legal document? I sure hope so!
That is like when a dirty cop plants evidence.
Charged? Who would dare to do that?
That HAS to be a crime.
Manufacturing evidence from SCRATCH!!
“Oh, Father Christmas, if you love us at all, please bring us an…”
(indictment of that snake, Andrew Weissman)
Weissmann . . . permanently on my list of Top Four Traitors Who Require Hanging From A Gallows. No one can dislodge him from that level of iniquity.
weissmann is exactly what happens when someone is not held to account ! He should have been disbarred decades ago and prosecuted !
If nothing happens now with hundreds of federal felons walking around free, just think how much WORSE it will get !
Weismann entered Gov service in D.C., working on the 7th floor of FBI building, during the BUSH admin.
Nuff said
So will their get out of jail free card be that this investigation was ordered by the White House so they could push aside the usual requirements such as this Woods file procedure?
How is that a defense?
Was reading somewhere, wish I remembered where so could link it, but something to do with – it’s not a crime so no need for a defense since the President, as commander-in-chief, would have the authority to investigate someone, something, they believed might be enemy of the nation, or something to that effect.
I dont see them touching Obama for this, even if true. They will protect him until there is no one else to fall. So, unlike the way the FBI and DOJ works against Trump… they start with the bottom with Obama. With Trump, they start with Trump bad and try to justify their actions.
This was one of the articles that I had read, back in May, that put that original question into my mind, if the former President had ordered these investigations and they did it “by the book” somewhere there must be a get out of jail free card or these folks wouldn’t have felt as free to do what they did. (still looking for the other article):
https://nypost.com/2020/05/11/looks-like-president-obama-ordered-up-phony-russiagate-scandal/
You’re right. Obama is untouchable.
bessie: I have read the same thing. The President can order an investigation without using a fisa warrant. I think it may be called an Executive Letter?? I don’t think it applies in this case since a fisa warrant was issued to spy on Trump’s campaign and therefore candidate Trump.
That’s it – Executive Letter.
Really hope too that it doesn’t apply in this situation;
and I am really wanting the President to win re-election and then show the world a living example of that quote attributed to the President years ago – paraphrasing here, but, go after your enemies ten times harder than they ever went after you because it feels good and others see it and think twice about going after you in the future. That’s the day I’m waiting on. In the meantime, there’s a re-election to win!
Bessie: Absolutely, we have an election to win, and I’m not going to waste any energy on Barr and the criminals he hasn’t prosecuted. There will be plenty of time to sort them out later.
If the DOJ won’t prosecute crooks like Sally Yates for their political crimes
maybe they can be put away for tax evasion like Al Capone?
The DOJ knows these people are guilty. The problem is, the DOJ would need a mirror to see all the guilty people.
Carter Page blabs to a Russian Minister and other Russian officials “in the spirit of openness.”
He tells the FBI this in an interview in early March 2016.
It would be safe to assume that Page could have got in trouble over that. How did he not get in trouble? Why, he agreed to be planted into the Trump campaign. That way Trump and his people could be spied on via FISA.
The big question now is, how did Page get himself into the Trump campaign?
I recall the media slamming Trump for not having a foreign policy advisory committee. He hurriedly put one together, included Page in it.
The FBI coordinated with the MSM to pressure the Trump campaign to have a foreign committee but then someone HAD TO RECOMMEND PAGE to the Trump campaign.
WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE? That someone is a traitor.
Don’t forget: The only reason why Carter Page and George Papadapolous were “part of the Trump campaign” is because at the time, all the never Trump GOP foreign policy experts were publicly disavowing Trump and pledging never to work in a Trump Administration. The media was demanding Trump name who his foreign policy advisors were. His campaign hastily assembled a list of names for Trump to drop as his “foreign policy brain trust”, which is about the entirety of Page and Papadapolous’ involvement in the campaign. Their names were used in a few interviews.
Which turned out to be very fortuitous. The “Trump campaign” was a shoestring operation, really just Trump himself and son-in-law Jared Kushner plus a parade of temporary help that came and went so quickly nobody remembers their names. The FBI thought they had a direct line to Trump’s inner circle, but all they had was a few unpaid volunteers with no access or involvement in anything of importance.
Crossfire Hurricane was investigating the man with one red shoe. Nobodies, who knew nothing. Without even intending to do it Trump sent the FBI and the whole NSD on a wild goose chase.
The same MSM puppetmasters who forced their mouthpieces to demand to know who was a Trump foreign advisor were in on the planning of the coup. It may have only been because the coup needed their assistance and the puppetmaster(s) may not have been top level but they were in on it. The script was well written and the actors performed well in their parts. No wonder the Obamas are now employed by Netflix. If those two can “design” plots this notoriously devious, Netflix sees a pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow Coalition!!
Right up until 9pm on election night none of conspirators thought Trump would win. Spying on him was mostly surveillance on the opposition, not a coup. Even Strzok referred to the “insurance policy” as something you have in place for a very unlikely eventuality such as dying before you’re 40.
If they truly believed they would have to use it, they would have done a much better job with the pretext. It was slipshod and ridiculous precisely because they never expected it to amount to anything.
Good point A.S. Page was somebody’s “asset,” somebody within CIA /FBI. If you overlay the broad timetable, the “best strategy (was) to slaughter Donald for his bromance with Putin” (Dec 2015). Lets’s review our assets. Page. Halper. Manafort (unknowingly). Mifsud. Strzok. Page. Steele. There’s a lot of “influence” in DC. Who pushed Page to Trump?
In my opinion, FBI or CIA leaks to the New York Times. Highlighting Carter Page’s self proclaimed position as foreign policy advisor, and his visit to Russia as described by Sundance.
Carter Page met one time and one time only for the Trump campaign in March of 2016. Seven months later the FBI had a FISA warrant on him. By December 22, 2016 the Trump campaign lawyer was sending a letter to Carter Page. Telling him to stop calling himself a foreign policy advisory to the Trump campaign.
Based on the two hop rule Carter Page was not close enough to the Trump enter circle in March, April or July to be effective.
I’m interested in why he outed himself to the Russians. I believe Page has been a spook since he graduated the academy. Was it the only way to get out of the business?
Might just remind people that Page’s version of that March mtg with the FBI…he says they wanted him to lie in court for the Buryakov case and he refused and they never used him at the trial
Here’s an article I bookmarked on that very quesiton: How did Carter Page join Trump campaign? Page wouldn’t admit to the Washington Post who invited him to the campaign. But then it also says that he volunteered and had a referral from NY Republican Party Chairman Ed Cox and that Sam Clovis approved Page.
M. Ruby: I remembered Clovis was involved but forgot about Cox. I wouldn’t trust either one.
Sounds like Trish Anderson is in trouble as well; she merely rubber-stamped a pre-approved document that she, herself, should have reviewed. This is akin to a notary-public stamping a document that came to her with a signature already affixed, when the purpose is to actually witness and approve that signature. A notary can get into a heap of trouble for doing it.
Ah, but only if the Notary is a Conservative. If they’re a liberal,…no problem, it might even be something to list on their resume.
Remember No one is above the law. One meaning Conservative. No one meaning the Deep State. Let’s rewrite and substitute: No Conservative is above the law. The Deep State is above the law. Sadly, this is the world in which we live!
Ah, but for how much longer?
The only way to end this abuse is have mandatory criminal penalties for deficient files that INCLUDES the people signing off on the warrant AND the judge and their clerks that approves it.
Show that the judge actually reads the warrant by maintaining a hard copy with their initial by each statement showing they have read and agree with the statement. That sets up the paper trail. Failure to maintain this document is prima facie evidence that a crime was committed.
The penalties don’t have to be severe. One year in prison and loss of professional credentials would keep these people on the straight and narrow. Annually an Inspector General from OUTSIDE the Justice Department would review. DOD, Agriculture, State Department etc. Criminal trials would run through the DOD JAG Corp to avoid self jeopardy.
Can anyone with legal expertise show me how this wouldn’t work?
Sparticus,
Firstly, all the laws and penalties in the world are meaningless, if they aren’t enforced.
Our problem isn’t a lack of laws, its a lack of enforcement. There are a,whole plethora of laws on the books that HAVE been broken, but no one is being held accountable, so adding MORE laws that also won’t be enforced, won’t correct the situation, cause it doesn’t address the problem.
The car is out of gas, and you’re changing the tire, that isn’t flat, thinking THIS will get the car running, by gosh. Valient effort, but no.
IMHO
Sidneys ‘suggestions’ for Barr, which he has studiously ignored, get closer to the heart of the matter.
Review first all pending cases, then resolved cases, for prosecutors withholding brady evidence from Defence, or similar abuses.
If found, FIRE the Prosecutors, and release the Brady material. This cleans house, and sends a clear message that the era of prosecutorial terrorism in DOJ is OVAH!
When they see whats coming, many will quit, and you can’t just “try to repair the image” of the DOJ, as Barr is alledgedly attempting.
You have to actually REPAIR the DOJ, FIRST and the image repair will inevitably follow.
good post
WAIT A SECOND. “Andrew Weissmann, formerly of the DOJ-NSD, was running the special counsel operation. ”
All this time, and it never hit me until this statement. The Licensed to Lie guy, the scoundrel who Powell documented, was running around in NSD–and NSD was EXEMPT from oversight?
That’s the cherry on the sundae. That bunch is a concrete conspiracy, the whole lot of them. Organized, fellow-traveling communists (Brennan & Comey self-proclaimed so).
Buckley (I posted link to his NR Mission earlier today) was right. Communists are incompatible with Western society. The generations ago that fought it and outlawed it in the USA were right all along.
evergreen,
Same Weismann worked in FBI, 7 TH floor during BUSH admin, as of coarse did Comey and Mueller.
And yes, Conmunism isn’t simply ‘incompatible’ with Western Society, it rightfully recognises Western society is an inherent, intrinsic threat to conmunism, just by its existence.
Whether in the marketplace of goods/services, or the marketplace of ideas, conmunism CAN NOT compete with Western Society.
They can not compete, therefore they must CHEAT. It really IS that simple.
Dutchman,
I know your views on AG Barr and won’t argue. One point I circle back to is when Barr first came aboard as AG in an interview he sidestepped the “treason” question. Many were outraged. He basically said it is a political hot rock and he ain’t touching it for that reason. He has been consistent in his shying away from politics, even recently with the silos comments.
That said, in that same first interview he made it clear he would focus on “policy”. As far as laws are concerned there are policies, when breached within the DOJ are criminal acts. This is the SINGULAR point that gives me hope/faith some justice will be served. I’m not saying it will happen, but there at least remains a grain of hope.
In a just DOJ Trish Anderson would have done at minimum a cursory check of the FISA application – and if out of order given no Woods file, she should have resigned.
I know…bondo Barr, fixer…but give it some hope at least for us chumps in flyover country!
I hold out absolutely no “hope” regarding Barr. That does NOT mean I have, in ANY way given up on the concept that Justice will be served, just that he won’t be the spoon its dished up with.
First off, I have said for some time I don’t see it as imperative that perp walks occur before the election, in order for PDJT to win, and it might even be counter-productive to a victory, as it will be painted as political retribution.
After the election, PDJT has more flexibility, since he isn’t restrained by concerns for reelection, and “What ya gonna DO, Impeach me?”
And, if the opposition actually try to carry out their latest nefarios scheme, and install Nanzi as Pres, or have her declare Biden as Pres.,….I think that will be a ‘triggering event’, a miscalculation that will trigger a responce she won’t survive.
Looking at the history of uprisings, people take the abuse, and take the abuse, sometimes their whole lives.
And then one day, in responce to a triggering event, en mass they rise up to say “NO”.
Until now, we have consoled ourselves,..keep taking the abuse, the oppression, the injustice, cause Nov 2020 is our focus. “Keep our anger COLD”.
And we have been in a situation where inaction and hope seemed the coarse to retaining or recovering all we hold dear.
If they attempt this, they are putting us in a corner, where it is absolutely clear that restraint and hope GUARANTEES losing what we hold dear, and therefore ACTION becomes the ONLY viable option.
At that point, may God have mercy on their souls, or “you best give your soul to Jesus, cause your *ss is ours!”
I respectfully disagree with SD’s conclusion. Why would they NOT have had a Woods file? IMO they DID have a Woods file, in fact it is actually the ORIGINAL Woods file, except that once they learned that the Dugan document had a different date than theirs they tossed the original, inserted the Dugan version, and then everything was ‘kosher’. The ‘lost’ story is simply a distraction. Creating a new Woods file out of thin air would be like creating a duplicate of Alger Hiss’s Woodstock 5 typewriter without actually having the original machine, you could get close (as the Hiss defenders managed to do), but you could never get it quite right.
Weissman: “Woods file? WE DON’T NEED NO STEENKING WOODS FILE!”
This is going nowhere under Barr/Durham et all. The only way anything substantial might occur would be for our President to win HUGE, secure both houses of Congress, then clean house with a new bulldog AG who would press the issue. Mitch will never let that happen.
This is the moment in modern history where we have one, singularly courageous President who is willing to tear down the crass graft and criminal rot within our government. Despite some patriots willing to get on board, the vast majority plot to resist…and they are winning that fight.
For now.
But, a second term President Trump May hold a “Trump card”. Full release of all redacted information. Full sunlight. I think he either does it in his second term or, God forbid should he lose, before he steps aside in January. Include the dirtiest nastiest truth of everything, implicate Obama, Biden, Podesta, Wiessman, Hillary, turncoat Republicans, every stinking one.
I agree totally, if Trump loses It is even more imperative that he expose their corrupt deeds & it would have to occur on an expedited schedule
I hope you are right. But there is a small part of me that wonders if Trump will even go there once he wins.
He knows most everyone knows what they tried to do to him. All the shenanigans and illegal spying.. the impeachment over nothing. Using the virus as a weapon against him and the improving economy as well as now any police encounter that can be used for racial unrest and violence.
The country is torn and tired of it all. He will do his best to improve it, but the past deeds may be buried in order to proceed. His comment “we caught them all” tells me he may think thats enough.
But, I sure would like to see them all arrested and convicted. And who knows, The Left may overplay their hand as usual, and force him to release the hounds.
beach lover: You could very well be right. The thought has crossed my mind too. We have so many problems, and Trump will be eager to solve them. Just toss these losers on the ash heap and move on. I would love to see them all get their just desserts, but whatever he does will be fine with me.
You realize that they’re going to tie up the the election results in every Democrat state court and the Federal Court until Inauguration Day in order to run out the clock on President Trump’s ability to order the release of these documents.
deplorableintx: No, his term runs until January 20, 2021. Tied up election results do not affect that.
If Weissmann recreated that Woods file, that is consciousness of guilt.
The widespread corruption in the government of the United States of America is merely one tip of a huge iceberg. You know how Sundance says “there are trillions at stake”? Do you really grasp what that means? I watched a YT presentation by Jeremy Elliott recently that spells it out very clearly. Eyes wide open, folks. Sundance is right. We need to focus on winning the election. If we don’t . . . well, it’s over. All over. If we win this election, we can get back to the business of backing VSGPDJT in disrupting the New World Order. I hope it copies correctly. I’ve tried to include the link. The presentation is about 35 minutes. It’s kind of amazing how all of this has been going on under our noses for years – we’ve been being told what was happening and what was going to happen – and we just shrugged it off as fantasy/science fiction. Indeed there are trillions at stake.
All woven together with a bow on it. So simple – once one is willing to is see it.
NO DAMN REFORMS!
Does anyone, really, actually, think this wholly corrupt subversive anti-American system would ever, could ever reform itself???
End it now. Restore the 4th Amendment
(and that’s the most civil comment I could come up with after reading this…. even that took 60 practice rounds to calm me down enough to type it)
Forever, my deepest thanks to Sundance for keeping the light pointed down this rat hole.
You can’t even begin to imagine .my disappointment….my thoughts turn to the cartoon movie …Despicable Me… all crooks and Ba na na ..Ba na na….. I’ll add republic…
The Only solution I see right now is this…
President Trump wins with a overwhelming mandate from us voters.. (legal President)
He then declares a Martial Law and he cleans house…
I wish I could see another route… but the corruption.. and a coup going unpunished is not a viable long term solution for this nation.
None of this is typical. CYA BS!!??♀️??♀️??♀️??♀️
So is Trisha Anderson a black hat in this case? It seems almost acceptable to rubber-stamp something like this if (DAG) Yates and (DD) McCabe had already signed it. Her stated assumption that the vetting had already been done on the higher level would seem to be reasonable.
IMO If your job is to review then your job is to review. If you don’t review it is insubordination and failure to perform at the least. When it involves spying on American citizens and you don’t review it, it should be a crime. In my career I have been asked by my boss to review their work. I reviewed without question and provided feedback,
These are nothing more than hollow excuses. Anderson didn’t review it because she was in on it. How to prove that I do not know but if she is still employed with DOJ she needs to be fired for cause at the least. In fact every person who signed off on the FISA warrants should be held accountable.
A good reform would be that it is a crime punishable up to 10 years in prison if you sign your name to a fraudulent, unverified FISA warrant. These are American citizens being spied upon by the government. I fear we have become so complacent that we just accept these major aberration’s of the fourth amendment of our constitution as just simple oversights, mistakes, or worse, the normal course of business.
Sorry for the rant but I’m so tired of hearing about no bias, just oversights, no intent, more training, etc. These people are criminals.
Minor addition to the link above to the Fox News article; here’s a link straight to the horse’s mouth
https://oig.justice.gov/news/doj-oig-announces-initiation-review
https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/2019-12/2018-03-28b.pdf
So they scammed Horowitz? Do we I get that right? Was Horowitz in it?
Horowitz covered for them, and let them off the hook with the confidential human source bullshit.
Horowitz, Schumer, Schiff, Nadler, Weissman, Rosenstein, Vindman, Goldman and the entire Lawfare tribe all belong to the same club…if you haven’t noticed by now?
I remember a promise made by SD that there would be a deliverance made by him shortly afer his tour through the ranks presenting his grand expose of the deep state activities that we should seize upon and transmit to all we can possibly do. I have been patient but anxious for this, but there has been no further mention of such here. Did I miss something?
No, the silence is deafening. What changed? Four weeks ago it was prepare to be “Paul Revere”. Today it was resigned acceptance with SD agreeing with Trey Gowdy that the DOJ isn’t going to do anything. Quite out of character to the point I wonder if its a head fake. Time will tell.
All hat, no cattle?
Very disappointing so far.
SD posted about this here: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/09/02/we-are-the-people-we-have-been-waiting-for/#more-198875. Interesting to read the comments where many express your frustration, but many start to see the long-term vision in prioritizing according to the immediate state of the battle.
“I have spoken to many patriotic people familiar to many of you, and without question when you direct the conversation to the subject of this dynamic eventually everyone concedes: we must drop emphasis on the scale of government corruption and urgently shift focus to winning 2020. If we achieve the latter we can return to the former.”
Ok, I agree then let it go until after the we get Trump re-elected.
So then, can I assume it’s counterproductive to be digging around and rehashing all this same ole stuff over and over I have to say that keeps me pretty stirred up.
No Woods file, a reconstructed Woods file and?
This person’s he did this, and he did it this way and this the way he did blah, blah on and on .
We already know, my God we already know the entire government complex is corrupt, we know already they are all corrupt.
Will Trump declassify, will he go back after he is re-elected to expose and clean all this to our satisfaction? Who knows I have a feeling he may not.
All I know is this: The Trump train is our only ride outta this absolutely God forsaken mess we got ourselves into.
Okay now, I’m getting lost.
Who was the agent who asked Kevin Clinesmith for a statement about whether or not Carter Page was an IC asset? That was for the 3rd FISA warrant renewal application.
Wouldn’t that agent have been updating the Woods file? My assumption has been that the agent (or whatever) would have been looking for documentation that he could cite for the Woods file.
Sherri, like you, I think of the ‘woods file’ as the supporting evidence needed for the FISAs.
To extend a FISA, it should be necessary to demonstrate ‘progress’ – that there was some evidence that carter pare was a ‘russian agent’ and that spying on him plus the 2-hop spying, HAD TURNED UP NEW EVIDENCE. The new evidence should go into the ‘Woods file”. New evidence of ‘progress’ that page was a ‘russian agent’ should have gone into the woods file every time a new extension was sought.
So, who didn’t notice that there was no file?
Did the crooked rubber-stamp “where so I sign” FISC judges extend without a showing of evidence that page was in fact a russian agent? And that the 2-hop unconstitutional spying showed that the GOP campaign and the President’s Cabinet and PDJT were russian spies? If the corrupt FISC extended the spy warrants 3 times on a US President and his Administration without any new evidence whatsoever, they are guilty of denying civil rights under color of law, 18 USC 241, 242.
Let me help you.
The people in charge of our national security, are using all power given to them to keep this country safe, to terrorize the people they are supposed to protect against terrorists.
Something like that…
So Anderson signed because it came from the top down and not the usual bottom agents to the top brass for approval.
Still it would seem that somebody’s ass should be held accountable for the absence of the Wood’s Procedure. I had no idea what all it entailed, till I found this article on the Woods Procedure and how it was established.
Nobody but a Left wing establishment hack or an IG covering for the coup crooksters, would think for one second that this FISA coming from the top down wasn’t anything but corrupt as hell.
FTA:
The Woods Procedures were named for the FBI official who drafted the rules as head of the Office of General Counsel’s National Security Law Unit, Michael Woods. In April 2001. these rules were established to “ensure accuracy with regard to … the facts supporting probable cause,” after the FBI had presented inaccurate information to the FISA court several times, with “[i]ncorrect information …repeated in subsequent and related FISA packages,” the FBI told Congress in August 2003. Under the Woods procedures, each and every fact presented in an FBI request to electronically spy on a U.S. citizen must be thoroughly vetted for accuracy, and presented to the court only if verified.
https://ethicsalarms.com/2018/02/07/the-woods-procedures/
And Steele was interviewed and basically denied most claims or at least said they were not reliable.
Soooooo, now what?
I’m sure they put that interview in the Woods File for the next extension request to the FISA court /s
They claim we need FISC for national security reasons to monitor terrorists.
But… but, the terrorists are in charge of FISC and are terrorizing political opposition and protecting criminals.
So now what? What good is our national security when the people responsible for “our” security are trying to undo an election and arresting innocent people. That sounds like a threat to our security.
Indeed. FISA is right out of Orwell.
“Remember, this is a secret court”
Yes, remember this is a secret court — and at the same time try to remember this was once America. Try to hold two such contradictory concepts in you mind at the same time and you will be in danger of racking your brain to pieces.
Insurrection = military tribunals.
“The use of military tribunals in cases of civilians was often controversial, as tribunals represented a form of justice alien to the common law, which governs criminal justice in the United States, and provides for trial by jury, the presumption of innocence, forbids secret evidence, and provides for public proceedings. Critics of the Civil War military tribunals charged that they had become a political weapon, for which the accused had no legal recourse to the regularly constituted courts, and no recourse whatsoever except through an appeal to the President. The U.S. Supreme Court agreed, and unanimously ruled that military tribunals used to try civilians in any jurisdiction where the civil courts were functioning were unconstitutional, with its decision in Ex parte Milligan (1866).”
OffCourseNation: Thank You, I’m so tired of hearing about military tribunals and people being sent to Gitmo. It ain’t gonna happen, folks.
This is allowed because they are covering for the fact lynch ordered it via Obama. The secondary fisa signatures are the insurance policy to a higher loyalty ( protecting the ” senior gov official” on the Hillary server)
This all roots from senior Gov official .. all of it starts with bill Clinton reminding lynch Obama was on the server)
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/fbi-inspector-general-report-directly-criticized-president-obama/
There never was a Woods File and yet Durham gives the FBI lawyer in the middle of it, Clinesmith, a total walk for altering a CIA email in an attempt to frame the President of the United States for a crime that not only he didn’t commit but a crime that never even happened!
The DOJ/FBI (and Barr) claim that political indictments can’t be carried out near an election.
But why would sedition, lying, fraud on the FISA Court, illegal spying, 85% illegal 702 NSA spying on US Citizens, lying to IG Horowitz, leaking secret records and information, withholding required information from the FISC, withholding records from General Flynn, misuse of CIA/FBI spies to entrap, etc be considered “political?
The DOJ/FBI claim they are NOT political. They claim this was all ‘by the book’.
There is no reason to not indict the perps for crimes under color of law from their self-claimed non-political DOJ/FBI .
They did go by the book. The book called “Mein Kampf”. Or maybe it was the sequel.
None of these direct perps in the coup plots are running for office. There is no “politics” reason NOT to indict them right away or otehrwise before the november election.
Indicting slow-joe Biden and hunter biden for crooked kickbacks from ukraine and china would have political impact because slow-joe is a candidate in the next election. This is an example of the ‘do not indict politics rule” . But this example demonstrates the absurdity of the rule. If joe and hunter got lots of kickbacks for favors and foreign aid, laundered through burisma and a number of banks in greece and elsewhere, and china bribe like ownership in a major investment entity, this NEEDS to be carried out before election, rather than after.
What is that phrase I can just about hear?
NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW
I don’t remember the ending – unless the person is a corrupt politician running for office so they can carry on as usual.
Political crimes should be top priority before elections to prevent voters from voting “blind”.
SteveT
So basically we are treated like foreign terrorists by the people in charge of the most sophisticate surveillance system in the world meant to be used to protect us from the most dangerous terrorists who are out to get us.
Got it!
All citizens, who are political opponents of the Royalist Crime State, are considered guilty until never proven innocent.
Yep, pretty much. FISC will always be abused, so it just needs to disappear, along with the Patriot Act.
Welcome to the new world order.
Even if they try to skate with the “we don’t have to verify human sources information” defense…
Just how in the hell do they square the fact that Bruce Ohr testified under oath that he told the FBI that Steele was “desperate” to keep Trump from being elected?
And that’s another thing that’s always bothered me, Why was Steele so desperate to keep Trump out of the White House? Maybe Steele’s reason for wanting Trump to lose is another path that needs to be investigated..
The Assistant Director of NSD can waive the Woods procedures. Its in the procedures:
https://fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/woods.pdf
See Section 7 at Pg. 11
Mary McCord left NSD after the third Page FISA (second renewal). Is it possible that, coupled with the noise from Page in the summer of ’17, led the SC to create a Woods file for the first time? That would account for Kevin being asked to muddy up Page’s background; it would make the fabricated Woods file look much stronger.
I Still can’t believe the field offices have been receiving 4 weeks’ notice of Woods files selected for review/audit by NSD. Why would those offices need advance notice in order to produce files they are supposed to be creating for every application?
Nice find.
openmind, the perps still need new evidence to get a FISA extension, each time. They need a ‘woods file’ (or waiver?) every time. Is there a record that McCord waived the requirement for evidence 3 times before she left ? On whose instructions? Has she been questioned by do-nothing-durham-huber? Has she had a regular surveillance warrant issued to get all her records in this scheme?
Have there been surveillance warrants issued on all the FISC judges who signed the warrants? (they easily sign fake warrants on the Executive and implicitly acquiesce in 85% illegal spying on others, – the Executive and DOJ should surveil them to see why)
Maybe that is why collyer suddenly felt ill?
Let me make it simple.
Basically we are trying to nail several lawyers, investigators and judges who can hide behind classified info and also they were the ones making all of the rules inside the agencies that were meant to let them get away with crimes and they know ALL of the details of their own rules and how to get around it.
It’s all protected by National Security, Classified info, Counterintelligence Sensitive crap that we can’t really know much about it because it is supposed to be secretive.
We will never know how the REAL inside system works because we are not supposed to know about our national Security Secrets.
So in the name of National Security they can try to overthrow an election, destroy, jail, terrorize political opposition and do whatever they want. All they have to do is… want to. For National Security reasons that we don’t have the right to know
Gee… how do we get that gig?
If there was an original Woods file, wouldn’t there be witnesses who saw it, contributed to it, etc?
Where are the first hand witnesses to the original file?
Troublemaker: I would guess the agent who was the affiant and presented the request to the fisc would be the one to include the Woods Procedure. The agent who signed the warrant.
No woods file, or missing woods file, and most of Dugans file on Wolfe missing too! Where is Dugan’s outrage? Where are the docs Trump promised us?
Something isn’t right, and its more than swamp!
Talented bunch.
They can make documents appear or disappear whenever they want to.
I wonder if they have little commands like: Poof poof pesky document be gone!
Another thought: If you’re Andy W. and know the SC is wrapping up soon, then wouldn’t it make sense to go back and dot i’s and cross t’s to be sure a thorough Woods file exists? So, whether there was not one or whether it was waived by NSD, or otherwise, A.W. goes back and creates a Woods file. Dirty pool
Look at the date
Sundance writes
“Taking all the above into proper context, when the office of inspector general announced on March 28, 2018, that he was going to review all four of the Carter Page FISA applications; no doubt the office of the special counsel, Andrew Weissmann; who was previously the DOJ-NSD FARA targeting coordinator; moved swiftly to create the appearance of a Woods File where none previously existed.”
“the overwhelming evidence shows there never was one.”
Exactly what I thought.
Which leads to the question, does the FISA court ever review Woods Files? Or do they just trust the FBI is somewhat competent and honest?
Just speculating here.
Carter Page was the CIA mole planted in the Trump campaign to get inside info. He did double duty as the FBI-CIA investigation target, and as any patriotic spy would know, he would be disavowed and thrown under the bus if the scheme fell apart.
There was no Woods file because it was never a “real deal”. Page would be brought in to celebrate with the coup plotters once Crossfire was successfully concluded. Page knows more than he’s already said… still playing the victim game waiting for the heat to blow over. Am I wrong?
Carter Page – 20 year asset for the CIA
3+ years an asset for the FBI – and who was he involved with there?
Strok and Page….mark my word.
I’ve always had my suspicions about him…just the fact that he’s the ONLY one they never touched legally, everybody else went to jail. How did Page get so lucky? They never touched him.
Does anybody here believe that Gina Haspel and Mike Pompeo don’t know if Carter Page was a paid CIA operator for the past 10 or 20 years????
Demons they are…make no mistake.
Barr’s “white hats” and the “black hats.”