Red State has a good article expanding consideration of the Sara Carter exclusive this week surrounding a recent DOJ and FBI admission to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence about the special counsel, Andrew Weissmann, “recreating” the original Woods File to support the June 29, 2017, Carter Page FISA application.
[Red State Here -AND- Sara Carter Here]
In essence the questions are: why would the special counsel need to re-create a file? And if so what would be the purpose behind “losing” their original?
However, CTH would add an overlaying question: What investigative event would precipitate the DOJ approaching the FBI to inquire about investigative “files” secured and handled by the special counsel?….. Such that the SSCI would need to be brought into the information pipeline recently.
Perhaps !
The 2018 timeline here is very specific. Both the Wood’s File (for Horowitz review) and the investigative file of SSA Brian Dugan (for Jessie Liu review) would have to be handled within a very similar special counsel time-frame. Questioning one could certainly lead to more sunlight upon the other. Perhaps time will tell.
Never, ever, give up on exposing the truth. They are on our side, afterall.
Coverup of the coverup. While dragging out a fake obstruction of justice probe, their main goal was obstruction of justice of what really happened. Missing 302’s, missing Woods files along with heavy redactions to hide the truth.
Yep – this is getting spread out like an angry porcupine. It seems that
things might be lining up for a massive and irrefutable takedown. Original docs that get declassed and released in a timely manner would be an acceptable path forward. The dark side does seem a little puckered up of late.
bertdilbert- what’s really a tragedy is that all of the most damning evidence is coming out so close to election day.
At least two years ago Sundance and others had put together enough evidence that any lawyer worth his salt could have put together a criminal indictment let alone rain down some serious hell on the perpetrators.
Instead Barr, Durham, et al have jerked around until the11th hour to a time when very few people are really paying attention.
They HAD to know, just like the rest of us, that justice delayed is justice denied.
Don’t know about Durham, however, I’m confident AG Barr is more interested in “protecting the institution (DOJ) than in anything else. I kind of hoped his ass-chewing by the House would have pushed him to the good side……….
Protecting Mueller’s Special Counsel more like.
Becoming clear they struck a deal before Barr’s confirmation. Mueller would shut down his probe. Barr would make sure no one related to the Special Counsel would get prosecuted. Mitch, as Senate Maj Leader in charge of confirmations, brokered the deal and got all R-Senators on board for the confirmation vote.
doyousee’s succinct summary makes perfect sense. There is no way that Mitch is not in the middle of this protection scheme, as posited above.
What institution, Soros controls the State Department (hatched Trump Impeachment)and has infiltrated the DOJ to the point it is incapable of carrying out any high profie investigation . Look how many Lawfare (funded by Soros) lawyers made up the Mueller team.
It is certainly as slow a process as can be.
If/when this does come out it cripples those institutions. That has to be acknowledged along with the effect that might have all sorts of previous prosecutions.
These people did NOTHING legal.
Just remember, almost EVERYBODY thought hillary was a shoo-in and EVERYTHING done after the 2016 election was a desperate scramble to cover their tracks.
She went from shoo-in to ho
She went from shoo-in to a side of beef getting chucked into a van.
.. only one shoe made it in to the van. So, she’s still a shoe-in.
Remember the “bag man” who was always near her with his magic black pouch? She looked like a malfunctioning cyborg when they threw her in the Scoobie Van.
yes, this is key
I LOVE this story! Perhaps the Ship-Wrecked Crew could take a note from this article on how to compliment a peer.
Sundance…THE MAN!??⭐️???
Violations of the Records Act perhaps? Plus Obstruction of Justice? Although not a real crime, there certainly appears to be “collusion” – how ironic would that be?
I’m just guessing here, but what if the original (“missing”) Woods file not only exists, but was located, secured and already compared to Weissmann’s “reconstructed” file? That would make for an interesting ‘press release’ in October.
That scenario made me smile bigly!!!
It could have turned up in the common area where they found Comey’s top secret memos!
LOLOLOL..the FBI lobby-waiting room…where all “inconvenient” documents go to die.
Right by the fridge in the break room. I call it a “matter.” Or in the Oval by the window curtains where Comey was hiding.
Remember the IG report on a sampling of FISA cases? If I remember correctly, although most had procedural issues, some were lacking the “Woods file!”
So, if there were none, maybe the purpose was to create one, after the fact, by the Special Council to cover the trail
The Special Council was to cover the trails of everyone and also to prosecute innocent people as part of the coverup…chaff & flare measures!!!
If that’s the case, all judges were in on this.
James E. Boasberg is his name ?
Do these judges need to review a Presidential request for surveillance?
Brennan. I say Brennan has a copy. He’s a scum bag and so are the others but he’s not a stupid scumbag.
I said from the onset that one of these scum kept everything that put the took heat of them and put it on someone else. It’s what you do when your scum working with other scum….to CYA. Heck, I’m not scum and I know to do this with certain bosses at work (u know the ones who don’t own their decisions).
For me it’s not a coincidence that Brennan talks for 8 hours with Durhams team last week. Poof- an opinion piece by Johnny B in a MSM rag throwing a new date out there July 28, 2016….3 days before FBI even opens case against Trump. Then this is resurfacing….
There’s no such thing as coincidence.
Brennan. I say Brennan has a copy. He’s a scum bag and so are the others but he’s not a stupid scumbag.
I said from the onset that one of these scum kept everything that put the took heat of them and put it on someone else. It’s what you do when your scum working with other scum….to CYA. Heck, I’m not scum and I know to do this with certain bosses at work (u know the ones who don’t own their decisions).
For me it’s not a coincidence that Brennan talks for 8 hours with Durhams team last week. Poof- an opinion piece by Johnny B in a MSM rag throwing a new date out there July 28, 2016….3 days before FBI even opens case against Trump. Then this is resurfacing….
There’s no such thing as coincidence.
Files do not go missing unless the7th floor is involved. TREASON.
https://www.fbi.gov/services/information-management/foipa/privacy-impact-assessments/sentinel
the appropriate charge is sedition. force was used in the ridiculous Roger Stone raid. that was the hither to missing element for the charge.
give ‘em the max.
From Sara Carter re the Page Woods file:
“In fact, it had been missing for an unknown period of time, possibly up to two years and officials did not become aware it had disappeared until last week during a closed-door Senate Intelligence Committee hearing.”
Sit on the damaging information as long as possible and then claim ignorance or lack of recollection.
That’s a time honored method of coverup used by FBI and numerous other agencies. It seems to work most of the time.
I thought that, by the time the Special Counsel was appointed, two applications (or 3 if you count the one that was denied) had already been filed and approved? If so, why wouldn’t the original Woods File that was submitted to the court be recoverable from the court’s file?
The file is not submitted to the Court, only the application is. The Woods file is maintained by the FBI in the unlikely event someone later calls BS on one of their applications. Ironically, the first time someone calls BS on one of their applications, the file gets “lost”.
TOP. MEN.
How could a Woods file NOT be included for a judicial review?
Unfortunately, anything’s possible in a corrupt legal system.
As Sundance says: “Ask the right F*****G Question”….what document management system does the FBI use? Reason: No document can be deleted in the system due to the FED Gov Records Act and also the comes under the General Services Administrations task to safe-keep ALL US GOVERNMENT the documents!!!
Of course, if your Sandy Berger, you can walk out with incriminating documents!!!
Perhaps it is not missing because it never existed……..food for thought!
I think PERHAPS Weissmam & Co.
and everyone with knowledge of “losing”/”recreating”
files are feeling just a little heat tonight.
I KNOW the Coup is quite aware of Sundance
convo with Alderberg- and not of what has transpired and
resulted …
I KNOW we are as a nation, and free people everywherer
really, are indebted to Sundance for his intelligence,
morality, courage, tenacity, and application
to truth, risking all for us all.
God Bless you, Sundance. May God CONTINUE to Bless and guide
you.WE KNOW that the Coup is trying to make up ways to smear
you, even as they read your posts.
PS- The Coupsters read you, and anxiously read the comments to read what
Sidney Powell is saying here, That’s a beautiful thing.
God Bleass Sidney Powell, too. And PRESIDENT Trump.
And his whole courageous familoy and noble Wolverines.
May I be forgiven my constant typos. (?)
Special pleadings: I have worn the letter
markings off my keyboard, mostly in typing emails
supporting P45, and now, comments here,
Also, I don’t see well visual-acuity-wise.
But thanks to Sundance I SEE better all the time
Truth-pursuit-wise.
Ans I feel such a welling up of Gratitude for all
Sundance is doing, and for the constant
inspirations and considerations and varied reactions
and interpretations found in CTH “community.”
Community, that overused word that has real
application here. And deeper meaning
in USA at large since Trump began Keeping Promises.
Keeping promises is a novel idea tthat HAS
promise…Benefits challenging the imagination.
I think Barr, the much maligned Atty General who
CHOSE to take this historical moment on,
is right now gaming how to help challenge
fake mail in ballot cheationg schemes
on case by case basis, all over this land.
And if we can keep the elction reasonably fair,
and vote LIVE and in person all of us,
next year’ll be best EVER. In everey sense.
Peace, prosperity, and equal Justice under the Law.
My voting solution — all Trump voters personally, physically vote (early voting or election day). Therefore, the postal union or others can’t throw away mail back ballots from a known Republican strong hold — for if they do, they will be throwing away DEM ballots! And if the election officials send out “mail-in ballots” and they are harvested from already voted Republicans, this will show the magnitude of their cheating when those ballots are disqualified in the count!
Also, in person voting avoids the mail-in vote problem of being disqualified because of various things; for example, signature not fully matching name: like signing Bob instead of Robert.
It is not going to fix the problem of dead cats and dogs voting.
In his interview the other day, regarding the mail in ballots, it was the first time I’ve seen AG Barr visibly outraged and angry.
Yes, that struck me too, I have seen Barr in several interviews and he was angry in that one and not letting the interviewer get his way …. perhaps that’s a good sign? Can only hope.
Barr was given his marching orders by President Trump…FIND ANYONE WHO IS MESSING WITH FEDERAL ELECTIONS…
I agree. Barr doesn’t seem to do much or demonstrate initiative. I believe what little we have seen from him to-date is due to Trump kicking his ass into gear.
A very low energy AG who prefers to do nothing if he can get away with it. Classic bureaucrat.
I do think all of them feel the heat, if not from their own conscience but the growing realization that they won’t be able to cleverly lie, distort, bluff and dissemble their way out of their unethical and illegal conduct throughout the Russia mess.Punishment comes in many forms and I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes. They want a final resolution or decree that what they did was both legal and patriotic but they aren’t going to get that.
Hello Andrew Weisman, needs more sleeping pills? Take as much as you need and we will wake you up with a bang.
Coverup
I’m itching for some slightly more concrete documentation beyond Sara Carter’s “sources familiar with the hearing”. Sara is mighty reputable, but my skeptical peeps are gonna need more.
Sundance, may it be so!
As RedState pointed out, how do you “lose” a document that was probably scanned in as a matter ofr procedure?
My old law firm scanned in every critical document, and backed up the database every night. Backed up onto discs that were kept on shelves, and labelled by date. If the place had burned down, we might have lost everything, but otherwise we had paper copies, scanned copies, and disc copies. Not to mention anything e-filed could be retrieved from the federal PACER filing system by simply logging in and downloading a new copy.
And many savvy organizations have offsite storage.
(Funny aside, I told the part owner / VP / Masters Degree head of Development (software), “Do we have offsite backup?” He replied, “We don’t need offsite backup.” I replied, “OK. What happens if the office has an accidental fire one weekend?”)
The software system should also have an unchangeable history / change log. However, given this history, odds are high they used an anonymous log in, or have a back door for deletion. Deep State.
NOBODY in the business world could/would tolerate such IT “glitches”, lost files, lost tapes, lost servers etc as the US Government! NOBODY in the business world would/could hire such conflicted, obviously inept people, often related to “somebody”, for such critical jobs. The Lois Lerner and Awan Bro’s fiasco’s come to mind. NO consequences either!!
Agreed. Three programmers – on their off time – over a few weekends, created the beta version of http://www.HealthSherpa.com.
The ObamaCare website was $900 Million, took 2+ years, and failed
,
We taxpayers all worked our bottoms off so someone could walk away with about 989 million of that.
Wethal,
Most Government Offices do everything in triplicate.
Very strange to lose an electronic file, especially the spread sheet that ties everything together.
You mean like multiple hard disks crashing at the IRS?
Impossible.
Perot Conservative,
Mirrored disks at that. Don’t
Nothing is Impossible, just extremely unlikely. ??
Just Saying.
It is far more likely that incompetence is being claimed so as to avoid admissions of guilt than it is that the information actually was lost. It is easier to claim that the document cannot be found than it is to actually remove all traces.
I suppose someone might have been worried about their original signature being on the pleadings. For e-filings the court rules require that the original pleadings with the ‘wet signatures’ be maintained in the lawyer’s file since they aren’t physically filed with the court. I don’t know if that would be relevant to this situation, but loss or destruction of originals could provide cover for an official who has a reason to deny signing a court filing.
If they had to recreate the Woods file, who is to say it contained anything at all originally?
I recall the news about looking at the FISA abuse where they found numerous problems, including one where the Woods file was empty. Which one was that?
On the other hand, I could see them trying to recreate the file to gather any information to support the FISA if they looked at it initially, and saw how sloppy it was.
Lost? I doubt it existed.
That’s my speculation as well. There was no Woods file for this FISA application. SCO ws a corrupt endeavor.
How do you “recreate” a “lost” file? Am I thinking BS, or is this, “Just my imagination, running away with me.”
Supposedly Ms. Carter will have a Part II tomorrow.
This appears to be a MASSIVE coverup – just on this one component.
What insider deleted the electronic files? What database/ IT professionals / contractors illegally deleted files?
WHY IN GOD’S GREEN EARTH can’t our own DOJ / Durham / others access files at the NSA? Or are folks dirty at the NSA, too?
Too many coincidences in this clear Conspiracy. Have I missed anything?
Clinton phones / PCs scrubbed.
HRC 33,000 enails deleted & Bleach bit.
Weiner laptop – poof!
FBI / DOJ phones erased.
Strzok / Page private emails erased.
General Flynn 302s – 2 – missing?
Carter Page Woods file – deleted & recreated – and hidden for 2-3 years.
Who is talking? Clinesmith? Joe Pientka?
So much going on, this almost went unnoticed. Sundance (investigation & holistic) & Shipwrecked Crew (legal) surely will shed more light.
A few dozen have to know about this. Brennan, Comey, Strzok, Page, Priestap, Baker… and then some IT folks.
Could this be a Durham revelation? Should he, or did he, uncover this months ago?
Believe you’re on track!
You’re a hero of mine.
I also once had a conversation with Mel Tillis while waiting an aircraft arrival in the Great Falls, Montana International Airport. He wore sunglasses and a ball cap to keep down any ruckus. Said Burt was everything you’d want a normal guy to be that made good.
I don’t know about Burt but Mr. Tillis sure was.
Keep giving them hell Sidney.
Sidney Powell makes me proud to be
a citizen of this great country.
She is the salt of the Earth,
and a great Texan
who is Deep in the Heart of Texas-
Of us all.
So glad she is on Gen Flynn’s worthy
cause- One of the great cases of all time.
A case in which the original prosecution
was the biggest criminal conspiracy
of US history.
And Powell & Flynn are BEATING them.
But we’ve gotta RE elect
our great, duly elected President.
For reasons manifold and manifest.
2021 can be the greatest year of all our lives.
But what a roller coaster is now 2020.
I’ve been reading “License To Lie” this week. The level of corruption Sidney discusses in this excellent book is a good primer for understanding how the “insider culture” of the Deep State functions to both maintain its hidden agenda and protect crooked FBI and DOJ administrators. The depth of official corruption she details is a good indication of just what kind of danger our country is in. The absolute last thing you want to have happen to you is get caught up in a federal trial. This is a book that every Treeper should read.
Godspeed, Ms. Powell, you are one of our few heroes in this unholy mess.
P.S. This almost-as-tall-as-Comey Californian NEVER hides behind a curtain.
Is it just me? Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Clapper, Brennan, Wray … they give me the creeps.
Does Durham have the original notes (302’s) from the Flynn interrogation? Thanks.
better come soon!
Perhaps SSA Brian Dugan did not stop with changing just the date?
“With original Wood’s file missing, investigators now will be unable to properly determine where or how the information presented to the FISC was verified, altered or omitted, according to multiple sources.”
“There is no way that a file of that significance can go missing in an investigation into a Presidential campaign and then a President of the United States.
The next question we should be asking is “why didn’t anyone know until now?”
BASTARDS!
Frankly, I believe that for sure time will tell. President Donald John Trump isn’t the kind of guy to let things like this go. We’re never going to get justice on our timeline based on expectations, but I do believe justice will be handily dealt out in the EPIC second term of our ESG President.
Bigly!
Thank you all for the kind words. Sundance, Techno_Fog, Margot Cleveland, John Solomon, Sara Carter, Lee Smith, Hannity, Levin, Rush, Maria Bartiromo, and many other internet researchers and real journalists have helped put the pieces together, keep the pressure on, and help make people aware of the truth. We’re making progress. Wish it were faster. We will win. The truth must win, and we must all vote in person to elect Trump. Thank you all for your help and support.
The SCO operation must be part of the investigation. It was the culmination of the evil insurance policy. Evidence was destroyed, buried, altered, and Weissmann knew exactly what he was doing. He had done it all before.
Thank YOU Sidney!!! For standing up and fighting the dirty bastards!!
Thank you for your perseverance Ms. Powell. Gen Flynn (and ultimately us) is lucky to have you on his side.
Thank you,so much Sidney. I admire, respect you beyond words. As a Canadian all I can continue to do is pray for you, Lt.General M. Flynn and PDJT. May God Bless you.
Miss Powell, I cannot imagine the incredible frustration you and your client are experiencing after this confirmation that a Wood’s file was re-created at a later date- when you specifically requested all exonerating evidence in your case. The admission of a recreation taints almost all of the other evidence released to you. How many Wood’s files have been re-created in the past? Would you now be required to ask the court for dates of creation for each piece of evidence? Are there not chain of custody procedures for the DOJ to also follow? Unbelievable.
Ms. Powell Thank YOU!! And of course Thank You Sundance.
Persistence.
It’s been exhausting for us, what has it been for you who are in the line of Fire?
You, Warriors, are in my prayers every night. We cannot spare you. ??❤️
Bravo Sidney. You are a major source of inspiration for all of us longing to see classic real justice re-surface in this country.
Thank you for your devotion to that goal as well as your steady perseverance with General Flynn’s case.
We are all in your debt, Sidney. Bless you and your dogged pursuit of truth.
Is it possible to be able to file for an audit pertaining to a document’s handling and custody? I would think the “loss” of the file in question would be a 4-alarm event indicating obvious malfeasance. Forensics here would put the WHOLE Special Counsel contrivance to bed–in a federal pen.
There are some institutions in this world in which it is impossible to do certain things. Losing foundational electronic documents in a FISA court proceeding is one of those things.
This is 100% pure conspiracy, and the IT department no doubt has burned a year’s supply of anti-perspirant and tums in the last week.
Sidney Powell, as you go about seeking truth and justice, we who seek the same are with you all the way! Please know that! Thank you and GOD bless you.
“Evidence was destroyed, buried, altered, and Weissmann knew exactly what he was doing. He had done it all before.”
That’s always the result when people aren’t held to account. I’m so thankful we have people like you that are fighting to expose these criminals and hopefully they will eventually will be brought to justice. You are truly a modern day patriot and hero.
Thanks for all that you do.
Sometimes I forget we have a Senate.
Do they still exist?
If we are going to keep paying these animals can we at least get something from them? Can they sweep the floors, do some landscaping… something.
Trouble is half of them are complicit in all of this having information months and months ago they sat on and ignored which could have shed light on several levels of these investigations. Graham, the great actor, is only pretending to be getting into and surprised by it to cover his two-faced face! The Senate is where much if the problem originated from and most the Senators either knew what was happening or didn’t have the testosterone necessary to get involved!
The US senate, or should I say realm of the criminal uniparty, is utterly worthless. Why people keep re-electing these charlatans and expecting different results is just pure insanity.
Agree except that IMHO the Uniparty RepubliCONs in the Senate are still less damaging than Schumer and his mob. Schumer in charge of the Senate will only approve avowed communists to the judiciary. McConnell has at the very least avoided that.
They can’t even wipe their own asses unless they table the motion for 30 days and send it to committee for a unanimous consent vote. That’s why they smell like feces all the time.
….and Durham believes that Clinesmith, who gets a walk, doesn’t know how and why the top secret Woods File in the FBI’s super-secure Sentinel Database got “LOST” right before the investigation by IG Horowitz??? LOL What a bunch of idiots!
Woah. Wat a minute.
“The original Woods file on former campaign advisor Carter Page went missing more than two years ago, and according to sources who spoke to SaraACarter.com, those documents had to be recreated by the FBI and former Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team in 2018 from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Application used by the bureau to obtain the warrant on Page.”
The FISA application was a “FBI equity”. This is the reason the day is redacted. They used Dugan’s FISA application that caught Wolfe. They probably already deleted the Woods File or it never existed.
Why else would Judge Collyer say to get a copy from the FBI?
Where are all of these fine people at the FBI?
On page 41/412 of the 3/17/17 Carter Page application, signed by Director Comey, we find this:
https://ibb.co/RBL2Ly2
Why redact the Executive Order number? I can think of a couple reasons.
In any case, President Obama authorized the Director to use FISA against a political opponent whether it was a direct authorization or not, this is President Obama’s responsibility.
Final thought: Is it possible SSA Dugan retrieved the FISA as part of the “reverse engineering”?
Comrade Mope, you link a heavily redacted 412 page document and ask, “why redact the Executive Order number?” Can you be more specific about where to look to see that a specific redacted Executive Order appears and in what context?
Did the “original Woods file” disappear, and then get recreated? Or did it never exist because not required by some alternative, President to AG, FISA authorization route? If the latter, can you or anyone cite to the FISA rules on this alternative route?
Thank you for your service to your country.
I linked the screenshot, but all that posted was the URL. It’s the link there.
It looks like the alternative route you seek is an executive order, but unfortunately it has been redacted here.
https://ibb.co/RBL2Ly2
I have kept asking were are all the sign-offs. You have the place for them but no signature. Why?
Maybe the answer provides us all with a solution.
?zoom=2***
Maybe you don’t need the signatures, for a very specific presidential sign-off. One authorized by an EO?
It’s on page 41.
This is for Rice.
I’m wondering if this true- can a sitting President request a FISA and then no Wood’s file needs to be created? If so, it’s the first I’ve heard of it…
If this is true (that a Presidential FISA request requires no Woods file), this plot definitely thickens.
Did OneBigAssMistakeAmerica order the Fisa? By the book?
Then I suggest Trump start ordering several FISAs and go after the crooks. Its the only language they understand
I thought from the beginning that Loretta would be the fall guy.
Loretta was waved off by Bill on the tarmac to steer clear of the insurance policy/plan in my opinion. Fore warned about what was going to go down.
that is a tasty bit of info
DING DING DING…. this is what must be pursued aggressively (hope that’s already happening behind the scenes) — if Obama ordered a FISA and the SCO tried to cover it up by pretending to “re-create” a Woods file that never existed…. that is a massive scandal for both Obama/Biden and for the SCO….. this could be one of the threads that unravels much more…..
“They would rather say it disappeared than say it came directly from Obama.”
[first “it” is Woods file that may never have existed…. second “it” would be the FISA warrant ordered directly by Obama, if that is how it happened…]
And that implicates Obummer all the down to the lowest agent…which means that Weissman was the one in charge of getting the Woods file Recreated since he had past experience. Everything went through silos and each silo had a head. Weissman was the silo head of the Special Council and everything flowed through him … NOT MUELLER!!!
The FISA apparatus (50 USC 1801, et seq, see in particular 1802) includes searches where no warrant is required at all. I think this is what is being referred to as a presidential FISA. Misleading to conclude that a “no warrant” process includes the material that is normally used to substantiate a warrant application.
Also, SC is itself outside the normal procedure, even though regulations say “follows regular procedure” there is no enforcement of that. SC is designed to be independent and unaccountable, beyond reproach, independent therefore scrupulously honest, and similar balderdash. SC should not have ANYTHING to do with FISA, ever. SC is for CRIMES, not for counter-intelligence.
On its face, at the moment of creation, this SC was obviously corrupt. based on counterintelligence? No crime identified? Mueller! Of all people, one of the biggest hacks. And then the team, obviously politically biased.
The people are fed the lie that these are professionals and never do a dishonest thing, never shade the rules, never do anything untoward, and if so, it’s an innocent explainable mistake.
The amount of pure corruption in the government is beyond what people would believe. All three branches in cahoots against the people.
50 usc 1802.
SEC. 102. (a) (1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President,
through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance
without a court order under this title to acquire foreign intelligence
information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General
certifies in writing under oath that—
(A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at—
(i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 101(a) (1),(2),or(3);or
(ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than
the spoken communications of individuals, from property or
premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign
power, as defined in section 101(a) (1), (2), or (3) ;
(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will
acquire the contents of any communication to which a United
States person is a party; and
(C) the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such
surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under
section 101(h);
HERE:https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB436/docs/EBB-001.pdf
Not supposed to be used against American citizens.
Can anyone find the regulations on FISA creation, Wood file requirements, whether initiated from FBI vs from the President? That will explain this for certain without speculation.
I’m curious if this Woods file was missing during previous renewals.
Sounds like we will be better off if we tell Durham to shove his faux investigation and just declassify everything they have to expose the swamp. I know our fake news will ignore but we won’t and the whole world will be very interested in knowing all about it. Flynn will benefit from it.
Expose the crooks. They will lose power that way.
I agree 100%. The shame is that it wasn’t declassified years ago.
Agreed. Regardless of the outcome of the election, PDJT should go scorched earth with all of it.
“Flynn will benefit from it.”
Why do you think they are fighting his case so hard? Not to mention dragging it out past the election. They know the house of cards will come crashing down once the dirty fingers of the SC is exposed to be reaching into all aspects of the Flynn case.
The only thing that would benefit LTG Flynn is someone in the judiciary having a massive case of…………….ah…never mind.
Weissmann hasn’t been interview by Durham. This can’t be a serious investigation.
You don’t need to interview the target. Especially a lawyer who knows all the trap techniques, and when in doubt pleads the fifth. Also, interviews are voluntary.
How would you or anybody (except a select few) know?
This is of course pure speculation
SSA Brian Dugan routinely checks the woods file before starting the wolf investigation just to realize that this FISA did not have one. So Brian opens two investigations after reporting this event to his management. The leak investigation and the missing woods file. His management sets on one and authorizes the leak investigation.
At some point, woods file investigation starts. This could have been the result of questions from the FISA Judge or perhaps another reason yet defined.
“Secondly, Ms. Moyer explains how verification of the FISA application used against U.S. Person Carter Page is essentially just making sure the citations align to show who is making the claims.
The underlying FISA application material does not need to be verified; rather the source material is just accurately cited and attributed.
Ultimately what this testimony reveals is that any U.S. person can be subjected to a Title-1 FISA surveillance warrant so long as the FBI (and DOJ) can accurately cite the reason for the underlying suspicion.
The merit of the accusation has nothing to do with the citation for the claim.
Consequence – (1) If this approach, and legal outlook, is factually accurate and acceptable, then no FISA abuse is possible from an Inspector General review. (2) The people making the determination of legal acceptability for the IG, are the same people writing the FISA applications being reviewed by the IG.
FUBAR.
It’s circular.
If this legal analysis is accurate, they all get away.”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/21/sally-moyer-transcript/
Until Weissman screws up and ‘recreates’ something that never existed. The coverup here leads to the original crimes.
Hugh Hewitt’s twitter timeline reaction to reading Bryon York’s new book “Obsession: Inside the Washington Establishment’s Never-Ending War on Trump”
No one knows if James @Comey will escape indictment by John Durham, but no way does he escape the first chapter of “Obsession” by @ByronYork It’s damning.
Half-way through @ByronYork new book “Obsession.” It reads like a novel. Finally, in one riveting well-written account, the accurate story of the hunt for @realDonaldTrump by SC Mueller. One result: Never, ever talk to the federal investigators. Never.
What @ByronYork details is the massive bad faith of SC Mueller and his team. It’s astonishing. I sat on @MeetThePress
repeatedly and always said “Trust SC Mueller. His reputation is stellar.” It was. It isn’t anymore.
What @ByronYork describes as “cognitive decline” may or may not explain the SC’s actions, but the awful bad faith will rightly chill everyone’s willingness to cooperate with a federal investigation. The damage done by this charade is immense.
Pretty sure @ByronYork new book “Obsession: Inside the Washington Establishment’s Never-Ending War on @realDonaldTrump is going to be in @Amazon top 10 next week. Remarkable, clear, concise, riveting:
York, to his credit, is an old school journalist. He certainly wasn’t on “Trump’s side” 3 or 4 years ago but as the evidence mounted saw the truth.
I don’t trust Carter Page. I’ve said for a while I think he’s a CIA mole that is still using his cover.
Secondly, this is an old issue. Possible ruse. Sundance has discussed the shortcomings of Sara Carter and her reporting before. Stench of distraction? It does stink…..
The Woods issue was covered by the OIG report long before this ‘revelation’. I see as another look over here tactic. There are no answers or solutions to the intentional interference in an American election by the FBI, DOJ, CIA, State Dept., Treasury Dept., Corporate Media arm of the Globalists DNC, CIA and FBI. This is SOP of a corrupt government. They circle the wagons and tell the American people to “F” off AGAIN:
From the article:
“Notwithstanding this requirement, the OIG was unable to review original Woods files for four of the 29 selected FISA applications “because the FBI has not been able to locate them and, in 3 of these instances, did not know if they ever existed.”[7]
Moreover, as to the remaining 25 FISA applications with Woods Files, the OIG:
identified facts stated in the FISA application that were: (a) not supported by any documentation in the Woods File, (b) not clearly corroborated by the supporting documentation in the Woods File, or (c) inconsistent with the supporting documentation in the Woods File.[8]
“[A]t this time,” said the OIG, “we have identified an average of about 20 issues per application reviewed, with a high of approximately 65 issues in one application and less than 5 issues in another application.”[9]
APRIL 9, 2020
What DOJ Memo Means For Defense Attys Tackling Wiretaps
Law360
By H. Gregory Baker, Rachel Maimin, and Camila A. Garces
https://www.lowenstein.com/news-insights/publications/articles/what-doj-memo-means-for-defense-attys-tackling-wiretaps-baker-maimin-garces
Weissmann is not the wise man he thinks his arrogant wiseass thinks he is.
In her testimony before Congress, Sally Moyer told lawmakers that “only the originating agent and the supervisory special agent in the field actually look at the Woods file during the preparation of a FISA application”
Somers: “So you don’t — do you review the Woods’ file?”
Moyer: “No.”
Somers: “Did you review the Woods’ file in the Carter Page application?”
Moyer: “No. The person that’s signing the application is relying on the individuals who have signed the Woods form that they have the Woods file. These individuals would be the case agent and the supervisory special agent in the field.”
Somers: “Okay. So beyond the case agent, who looks at a Woods’ file?”
Moyer: “The supervisory special agent in the field.”
Somers: “In the field. But no one else out of the field of that chain looks at a Woods’ file in general?”
Moyer: “That is correct, except both of those individuals sign the Woods’ form indicating that the facts are true and accurate and that they have documents to support those facts. In some cases, the supervisory special agent at FBI headquarters who is signing off on an application might choose to review the Woods file, but that it wasn’t done for the Page FISA.”
Somers: “Do you know if that happened in the case of Carter Page?”
Moyer: “I don’t think it did in this case.”
There you go. Carlson explains that Moyer’s testimony shows that aside from “the case agent and the field agent, no one, including Clinesmith, even looked at the Woods files. Furthermore, the change to the email by Clinesmith was reported to be of significance to the FISA renewal.”
The New York Times tells us that Clinesmith’s document alterations made no difference in the FISA Court’s decision to renew the Carter Page warrant, but maybe we’ll just wait until the report is released on December 9th, just to be sure.
Elizabeth Vaughn
Wasn’t it Chris Wray who got caught with documents stuffed in his underwear or was it someone else? He strikes me as that type.
Sandy Berger (Burglar).
That was Sandy Burger, BJ Clinton’s NSA advisor who was caught with classified docs from the National Archives down his pants. I think they were related to TWA 800 investigation IIRC and he had been there by sign-ins several times before when he was caught. He was slapped on the hand with 3-year law license suspension and $25k in fines.
As I remember it (I now see correctly since I googled it) Sandy stole papers that showed BJ was asleep at the wheel re:terrorists…
After his court appearance, Berger told reporters that he “excerised poor judgement” and “deeply regretted it.” He said his motivation was to help himself and others prepare for their appearance before the commission probing the events surrounding the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
BTW, he lost his security clearance for 3 yrs…not his law license
https://www.foxnews.com/story/former-clinton-aide-pleads-guilty-to-taking-classified-docs
The Woods File is probably over at the New York Times, as that seems to be the final destination of most of the FBI’s work product. Knowing this, Trump should just leave a collection box out in front of the White House for all Intelligence Community documents currently in media’s possession, with a one-week “grace period” where no questions will be asked if the documents are promptly returned. This has worked in the past to recover stolen family pets and such…
Good chuckle ?
It’s a bit circular in thinking, but, if the CIA purposefully places an agent in a location with the aim of acquiring a FISA, does a Wood’s file need to be created?
To clarify- I’m asking if Carter Page was placed there in the Trump administration with the sole purpose of getting a FISA, would he need a Wood’s file? Technically only for cover.
I believe the Horowitz review is key. The number of missing or incomplete woods files. We have no, reason to believe this FISA had one.
So, while Durham is investigating we can’t see any docs… until he is finished.
However he is not planing on being done any time soon. Huber 2.0
Just declassify everything and publish all of it for the world to see and all languages.
Any decent document system records every change and who made the change and doesn’t allow the past to be erased. And it will be backed up frequently, both on and off site. And since this is the government, those back ups will be preserved.
But then since this is the government, they probably aren’t using a decent document system.
And since this is the FBI, that routinely frames people using fake or forged documents, they can’t afford to use a system that will document their own crimes.
But, Clinesmith was obviously helping recreate the file. Giving him the same deal as Wolfe is a clear statement that they are covering for bigger players and that this won’t be prosecuted.
We know so much that they want to keep hidden from the public.
Clinesmith was obviously helping recreate the file. Giving him the same deal as Wolfe is a clear statement that they are covering for bigger players
Maybe, but the optimist in me says it is a clear signal to other participants in the coup that if you talk now you too could get Clinesmith’s deal.
As an aside, the DOJ is a big organization, and those who prosecuted Wolfe are (presumably!) not those working for Durham. Of course, I am assuming that the DOJ/FBI is not completely corrupt, top to bottom, and that AG Barr is good at oversight, and knows how to ferret out bad actors on the Durham team.
Let me modify your sentence a bit: “…..AG Barr is good at oversight, and knows how to protect the institution – at all costs.”
If I’m wrong – I’ll gladly eat crow. I’m used to the taste now.
Weissman sent out a dog whistle to DOJ players to ‘resist’. One can expect there are still a lot of bad players in the DOJ and Weissman knows who and where they are.
In my cursory review of the Carter article, my one criticism is her suggestion of potential incompetence as an explanation. Flat out impossible.
Nothing new here. Ms. Powell apparently documented it, and not sure how common it is nationwide.
Recent post – MORE CORRUPT FBI ACTIVITY – DELETING 8,000 Text Messages!
Interesting side note digging up these names. Timothy Fuhrman had an employee, lead investigator Keith Baker, in the “bingo trial” / Victoryland (2011 – 2015) in Alabama.
Baker apparently started an affair with a court reporter during this trial – ” a breach of ethics for Baker, a possible conflict of interest for both”.
Montgomery Advertiser: “Included in that was the revelation that more than 8,000 text messages sent and received by Baker during a key period of the investigation had gone mysteriously missing from both his phone ***and the backup computer servers at FBI headquarters in Virginia.” ***
https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/special-reports/2015/07/25/integrity-paramount-victoryland-trial/30668533/
If Trump loses the election then everything will buried, lost and forgotten forever! If Trump wins on the other hand everything could also be buried, lost and forgotten. Recall the “Lock her up” sloganeering in the 2016 election. After Trump won everything about Clinton & the Clinton Foundation was buried and forgotten.So the chance of prosecution of the law breakers in the DOJ, FBI, DNI, CIA, SCO remains very low and non-existent if Trump loses the election.
If President Trump loses the election…
Then we are screwed.
They’ll be going after us next.
Instead of going for only those they can prosecute Trump should just get the names of all involved down to the lowly ranks and blanket fire the lot. He IS THE EXECUTIVE AND CAN FIRE AT HIS PREROGATIVE.
There is a saying never sue a lawyer. They know the law and so know how to be guilty but not guilty enough to be prosecuted to liability. After 4yrs of BS the smart move is make the pink slips rain so we can at least stop the bleeding. Any prosecutions if such exist can go on after the fact and be done easier either-way in a more isolated out of the loop target.
Fire Fire Fire start with Wray and the next few levels of management below and everyone I mean everyone even slightly associated with this whole disgrace of justice perpetrated against political opponents.
Why didn’t Trump do that already?
There are limits to what any President can do. Add to this the fact that the entire government is conducting a quiet rebellion against this President, that the House is openly rebelling, that the Senate is secretly rebelling, and that the courts are participating in the rebellion too.
It is truly a wonder that President Trump is still standing. It is even more fabulous that President Trump is achieving his promises. Add to that his miraculous results in foreign policy and economics. All achieved advancing against hurricane force national and global resistances.
Let’s help him by returning President Trump to the White House, taking back the House and increasing our control over the Senate. Help establish these achievements in law, law that doesn’t expire like the tax cuts.
And continue this great victory by helping in future local and state elections to throw out the bums. Throw out all bums who murdered our grandparents with Covid. Throw out the bums who make us wear masks after the disease has died down. Throw out all bums who refuse to let the police serve and protect. Throw out all bums who refuse to provide state aid to the police. Throw out the bums who shut down power plants, force us to endure blackouts, and then blame globull warming, and us for causing it. Etc, etc.
Let’s win a total victory over these enemies of mankind.
PS. There is always a massive turnover in staff after a President wins reelection. The better our victory the easier it will be to get Trump the staff he wants.
I believe that ship has sailed. I have often wondered how much of this whole thing Trump has been apprised of. He has to know the overview of the corruption I would imagine, but someone he trusts is telling him to hold off doing anything now that may hurt him politically.
Always political. Seems to me Barr is the one that has to force the issue. And he has the documents and truth to do it. But, even the AG is running out of time. Something has happened unexpectedly that has delayed Durham.
Sundance and Aldenberg I hope!
Me too. Sundance has done his part. He is being very quiet (except for the recent post warning we may be disappointed because of the way Barr handled FISA recently).
I get the feeling SD has a calm resolve set in… so I will as well.
Dear DOJ, If you want to play coy it is fine with me. I like this game. I will be around for a long while. I have no rush or unrealistic urgency. I will outlive most all of you.
I would perchance wonder the answers to:
What distinguishes a foreign adversary from a multi-national corporation that is listed on a United States stock exchange ?
What distinguishes a foreign adversary from a black book operation ?
Is it who pays them ?
Who authorizes them ?
What piece of land their handler resides on ?
If none of the People’s representatives are privy to the OP, is it foreign or domestic ?
If only a hand picked few of a particular bent are privy, is it a conspiracy or prudence ?
The constitution does not recognize parties … does US CODE ?
What does the word “foreign” mean ?
Now
What Law authorized by The People allows the swath surveillance ?
If your people cannot handle law breaking en masse, it is not a wonder it cannot and will not be handled it one by one.
Surprise(d) ?
Ps translated version: collusion with Country X, but why not collusion with Company Y, WHY ? Think, what is the difference ? Think. Collision with Country X but why not collusion with Gathering D(av). WHY ? What’s the difference ?
You know that you can’t really prosecute people’s vote for being illegally influenced ? So what is this but a scam ?
I claim GET OUT THE VOTE is a scam.
If people don’t want of their own prerogative to vote, then so be it. Why should shysters be able to canvas a neighborhood and steamroll every don’t-care-so-much to vote their way ? What is the big difference except one is legalized and one is ineffectual. If people don’t want to vote … GREAT ! That’s fine. Let us offer free civics classes on the country, constitution, local laws, and why voting is important; but not because MTV said so. That is so dumb for a society.
BTW :::
Wolfe was NOT the turning point.
There were many.
But more than others Clapper was years ago.
Wolfe was NOT the turning point.
Clapper (et al) was.
Wolfe was not the turning point.
They realized they could get away with ANYTHING long ago.
Most just were not paying attention.
Ms. Lehrner anyone ?
This is and has been a mission of a different sort. Giddy up ?
It’s very simple: They were destroying and fabricating evidence.
On a mass scale.
BTW, where are the 50,000 Page-Strzok texts?
My opinion is that “they” are more worried about Barr than Trump for what they have done to the country is pure evil. But they can’t stop Barr without getting rid of Trump, not that they don’t what to get rid of trump. They are obviously desperate to stop Trump/Barr at ANY COST! I think it is going to get a lot worse all the way to the election and then after Trump wins they will not let up! This is going to get very very ugly and violent!
Sara Carter asks if the FBI was malicious or incompetent. I’d say it was malicious incompetence; using incompetence as an excuse to cover up malice.
And then she notes this Baby Ruth bar in the punch bowl:
“FBI headquarters in Washington D.C., unlike the FBI’s 56 field offices, is incapable of appropriately storing and securing information in investigations.”
I have always thought of it this way–They are either corruptly incompetent or incompetently corrupt or possibly both!
Isn’t that convenient? Like Sundance says, not a flaw but by design.
Ya, can’t you see Microsoft saying … “We’re got 50 buildings here on our campus – all networked and protected with the latest, most sophisticated programs, equipment & firewalls … but we didn’t protect my HQ building because I no longer code.”
WaterGate x 1,000
Another article by shipwreckedcrew to add to this list:
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/09/01/andrew-weissmann-wants-kevin-clinesmith-to-stop-snitchen/
1) gives further distinction on how a “criminal information” is used differently than grand jury indictment
2) the real nature of the crimes needed to proved and how (CONSPIRACY)
3) the importance of Kevin Clinesmith and the possible REAL value of his participation with Durham
There were so many avenues Barr-zini could have gone with this investigation but much like Biden he hid in the DOJ basement.
Barr-zini knew the Mueller investigation was a sham but Mueller is his friend so he shut that path off.
Tom Fitton with limited personnel and resources has done 100 times more to get to the bottom of the coup than Barr-zini/Durham. Same with Carter, Solomon, and Bongino.
He could have opened an investigation on Weissman for
1- Bruce Ohr (why is someone involved in the coup still working at DOJ) told Weissman the dossier was defective and unreliable but relied on during Mueller probe.
2- Obstruction of Justice when he called on Barr-zini’s DOJ not to cooperate with Durham.
3-Admitting on national TV that he was trying to get rid of President Trump by laying a perjury trap.
4-Now, the reconstruction of the Woods file.
Tree House readers were delighted that Barr-zini displayed fight against a half a$$ reporter (Blitzer) but how has he done against the Bigly antagonists? Soros and Bloomberg along with an army of lawyers are planning to destroy the election process with mail in voting. Fitton is working diligently to stop this process via the courts.
Barr-zini was brought in to run out the clock-Mission Accomplished.
On a separate note, maybe Barr-zini can find a few trusted FBI agents to attend the funeral of the shooter in Portland to infiltrate Antifa. Also track any monies that was used to pay for the funeral and earmarked for his kids.
Ohr – cooperating?
And Priestap – why is he shuffled off to San Francisco & now who knows where?
Clinesmith & Priestap talking?
I doubt Ohr is cooperating, he would have to implicate his wife. They have FBI agent Stephen Somma if they want him. Durham did not interview that many people because Barr-zini put restrictions on this investigation.
So is this supposed to be the dog or pony in this dog and pony show?
It’s over, none of this will matter. Anything that comes out now will be ignored same as it has been for the last 4 years.
Sundance…well done, you. Thank you for pointing DOJ and Durham’s team in the right direction. There are no coincidences. To be looking at the Woods file NOW after all this time. It has to be related to what you uncovered about the Dugan file.
You need the main role in The Presidents Men II
Perhaps the original file never even existed so they “created” it, not “recreated” it.
Otherwise the cover up is (much, much) bigger than the (treasonous) crimes.
A new Brennan interview right after the election has been found (Sundance linked to it on twitter) by the conservador. Brennan, confident and almost joyful, lays it all out. The smirk tells so much.
https://twitter.com/theconservador/status/1302058134362521600?s=20
And now new evidence seems to call into question the NSA (Nunes clip)… some suggesting Mike Rogers was a mixed bag. Maybe he was originally in on the plot, and got cold feet?
https://twitter.com/kivlen824/status/1302090148276916224?s=20
there is no “lost”!!!
think clearly
its either compartmented classified…meaning few have knowledge of its existence. this is done ALL THE TIME.
or
material is purposefully routed as DRAFT OR COPY…This keeps the wheels moving all those years without even blinking to inspect for an original origin
or
key signatures of authentication documents missing. This establishes the intended perception then and now that there is no one single ownership.
the idea is to create a black hole…where zero light can escape even years later when turning on every single lightbulb in the building.
no original is just a short hand version description of how this is done.
to accomplish it requires a very specific set of policy and or law rules to be created…or those established to ignored or broken.
start asking the right effing questions…right?
what policy and rule and laws were changed just leading to the very first fisa warrant…internally to fbi and doj…who signed it? specifically?
did those changes require and did occur in letter from obumner ? or his peons?
start asking the right questions.
two years from now you’ll feel ashamed and humiliated AGAIN by not pressuring THIS ADMINISTRATION TO ASK THE RIGHT EFFING QUESTIONS!!
you want answers? do you deserve to know the truth?
then begin ACTING like you deserve.the truth…this ain’t movie.
act intelligently with POWER.
GOD BLESS AMERICA